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Since we have a slew of recruiters and the largest recruiting budget in college basketball... why not go after Shonn Miller? Why not try to fill all our scholarships this year?

He isn't the 7-foot 5 we want, but at least this guy is a proven post producer. He has one year of eligibility left and is eligible for next year with 3 years of solid D1 play behind him at Cornell.

Shonn Miller, 6-7 Forward From Cornell, To Visit UConn ↗

He was looking hard at Michigan, but it is not looking like Michigan will have a scholarship available for him.

@drgnslayr why are there so many transfers?

@Crimsonorblue22

He is forced into a transfer because he took a medical redshirt and the Ivy League doesn't let players play over 5 years, only 4.

This guy has solid numbers... very good defensive rebounder, too. Plays a physical game and already plays at D1 speed.

I just can't believe we are putting all our eggs in one basket and just going to leave big holes again this year because we don't broaden our recruiting out.

I think Self has the idea that since we are now trying to become a OAD factory, it cheapens our new reputation if we go after low hanging fruit.

@drgnslayr They (Ivy League) should recruit some OAD's if they want to get rid of them quickly !

@drgnslayr I didn't know that. Surprised the ncaa doesn't have the final ruling. So, what about the high # of transfers in the other conferences?

@Crimsonorblue22

High transfers is a sign of the times. Been lots of stories on this phenomenon. Young players searching for greener pastures.

This is a phenomenon that is feeding itself. Since it is growing so rapidly, recruiters are starting to spend time conversing more with players already at other universities.... mostly because these players are reaching out to other schools.

Another thing... players are now becoming aware of some of these other rules. Like... how we got Tar last year.

@drgnslayr the graduating transfers are the ones I question.

Jeff Goodman is reporting that there are 5 players (1 of which was an incoming freshman) that have gotten their transfer release from VCU. I assume because Shaka left.

@RockChalkinTexas so they don't have to sit a year? I'm confused how that works. The OU kid didn't have to sit, but I thought a coach leaving doesn't mean the player could transfer w/out sitting.

@RockChalkinTexas

They'll all have to sit a year, right?

@drgnslayr

I would prefer going after Damion Lee of Drexel who is eligible immediately and is a proven scorer. It could be a really good option if Green decides to take a medical red shirt for the season.

@Crimsonorblue22

Over 700 players transferred last season and this season the nmber should be close to that as well. This a list of the current players transfering... ↗

@drgnslayr and @crimsonorblue22 I do believe they have to sit.

This is the latest I can find on it (March of 2012) through a search on ESPN:

Once a release is granted, a transferring student in football, basketball, men's ice hockey and baseball must sit out one year before becoming eligible at a new school. There is no one-year waiting period in other sports.

In the Case of Smart and VCU. Those players may have signed but have since been granted releases. They haven't set foot on campus so they are allowed to sign wherever they want. That's a pretty common occurrence these days.

What a transfer can't do now, is apply for a waiver if you are a Soph. at VCU and you want to leave from the school because your coach left. You can transfer but you will have to sit a year. Before they were giving out waivers like hot cakes and kids were able to play next year immediately. That's how Thomas of OU played this year.

Graduate Seniors can go wherever, basically Free Agent.

We may try and grab one of these graduate transfers going forward now that we know Greene is having surgery. Pretty sure that wasn't news they were holding from the public so I expect that you might see us get involved with more guys if we need to. If I'm Self I'm trying to talk to Tevin Mack a VCU signee who was granted his release today. Kid can score and would have contributed to them as a freshman.

@JayHawkFanToo
Self said Green would not be red shirting as he will be able to play the entire season.

@BeddieKU23 so the OU kid could play but others can't, what makes his case different? And vcu releasing them is like dg's case, only they didn't want to release him?

@JayHawkFanToo

We didn't make his final 5 list... he's going to Arizona, Gonzaga, Louisville, Marquette or Maryland. He would be a great replacement for the loss of Oubre. I'd still like to have more insurance in the post.

@Crimsonorblue22

Thomas played 3 years at Houston then his coach left. He applied for a waiver and won. Those were the old rules.

The new rules in place for this year don't allow such occurences.

DG's case was the school playing hard ball because they suspected Gotfried of NC State was contacting him and it got ugly so they wouldn't release him because he had a good Sr. season. It forced him into prep school before they finally gave up and released him.

@BeddieKU23 last question, is it the school that releases and approves waiver, or ncaa? Thx!

@Crimsonorblue22

The NCAA approves waivers but the school must appeal for one when the kid signs. And they were widely inconsistent (Shocking) in awarding them. A lot would apply for the waiver to be closer to home or a sick family member but some were trying to take advantage of the instant ability to play instead of sitting. The NCAA finally caught wind of that and put a end to it.

I honestly don't agree that kids should have to sit for anything but I understand it prevents flat out free agency so the year is a deterrent to that. It also gives kids the chance to academically get things in order when they transfer as I'm sure schools have different requirements for accepting credits.

One last thing, Schools do have the right to restrict kids from where they want to go with waivers unless the player makes it a media circus that eventually gets overturned. Case in point was Jared Uthoff who red-shirted at Wisconsin, he wanted out, Bo Ryan gave him basically a no transfer list to anyone until the media got hold of it. He actually ended up at Iowa in the same conference which is very rare to happen. This was after Wisconsin and Bo finally gave into the media pressure of the situation.

Hamilton of UCLA had to sit a year and lose a year of eligibility because Tim Floyd was convinced them and USC were poaching him to stay out west. He eventually transfered anyway but lost his Freshman year basically they wouldn't release his letter of intent.

Appalachian St forced DG to go to prep school because they were so vigilant about not releasing him. Seemed to work out for us in the end.

Who knows what would have happened with Frank had Towson not released him..

@BeddieKU23 didn't mizzo release 2 players w/condition they couldn't play big12? I thought you couldn't transfer same conference w/out sitting 2 years?

@Crimsonorblue22

Yes their leading scorer Williams had a huge restriction list. I think he'll end up at Michigan St where he wants to go. Izzo recruited him in HS. Crazy the restrictions he had, makes you wonder how bitter departments are handing these waivers out.

I think Uthoff lost only a year of eligibility in the end since he had already red-shirted and sat one to begin with. His situation was really weird and I think Wisconsin basically gave him a free pass after it made ESPN and Bo had to be interviewed about it. But my impression was they lost 2 years.