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Or might it be problems with:

Big Philanthropy (development);

Big Shoe;

Big Agent; or

Big Media-Gaming Complex?

Is the big corruption an easy A, or the chase for billion of sports related revenues twisting the institutions and organizations--for profit and not for profit--of the overworld and the underworld?

Is the problem a small loan for a poor mother, or the ruthless struggle to oligopolize a global petro-shoe and petro- apparel market?

Is the problem getting a player's parent a job, when the stagnant economy is being managed not to, or is it apparently possibly managed outcomes of games and hypothetical large scale money laundering through Big Gaming?

I sense a bit of a problem with priorities here.

@jaybate-1.0 UNC just got a slap on the wrist for their Level 1 violations.

Not that I wanted to see Ole Roy go down in flames, I dont, at all.

But, its big money man, its killing the game. That age old adage of power corrupts rings true in college bball.

I still love the game, always will. But, I think Phog Allen and Dr Naismith must be very upset where ever they are right about now.

@Lulufulu

UNC had to burn a lot of bureaucratic capital and throw bodies overboard to save Roy and UNC BASKETBALL. We also don't know know what deals had to be made downstream. By taking on a Blue Blood with Nike-Jordan ties the signal was sent: no one is safe and the war of attrition is underway. This strategy works, because college basketball has since at least the 1920s bent rules for keeping players eligible, and because the alumni donation game has long been "creative." So: most schools are vulnerable to intimidation into regime change, because of their fears of their own SOP skeletons.

@Lulufulu

I think what we are experiencing in basketball is just a subset of what is happening in our country as a whole. Big money is controlling the game. They support the politicians who write the laws, and have secretive influences on the high courts.... They break laws that harm millions and millions of people and no one goes to jail....

I wanted to start a topic on this subject, yet as usually @jaybate-1.0 was way ahead of the game. ;)

Bottom line for me is this. We all know recruiting is a shady gig. To many times has CB fans we just sat there and shook our head. We all know there is that back room filled with heavy Cigar smoke. Yet that's not what bothers me.

When College's start cheating kids grades to keep them eligible then that's the last straw. I don't really get the whole playing players but I understand. I don't really understand giving college athletes specially treatment, but I understand. I don't really get going after nothing but OAD's but I understand. Yet when you start cooking the grade books, then I say come on.

If there was ever a line in the sand where the NCAA should make it's stand. Then this it. If the work in the classroom won't be protected and honored by the power 5 and the NCAA. Then f**K it. Then don't even be a college just be a minor league for the pros.

@DoubleDD in Snacks' case, its not cigar smoke filling that back room. HA!

@Lulufulu good one!

@DoubleDD

Hypothesis: The apparent regime change strategy was apparently set up to neutralize the NCAA first; that was probably the point of the OBannon case batting lead off. The NCAA, like FIBA in soccer, has to be subordinated, before college basketball can be "rationalized" for producer oligopoly and increased private oligarchy subordination of the public university system. The private oligarchy apparently wants its producer oligopoly in control of basketball, while it wants itself to be in control of public
universities revenues and research.To control the culture and economy the private oligarchy has to drive a wedge between the republic and its university system. Period.

(Note: all of the above is hypothetical, of course.)

@jaybate-1.0

The NCAA has basically stated that they have reviewed some of their policies and will make efforts to take a different approach towards penalizing schools. They want to limit hardships that lead to economic damages. Why? Because even the smaller D1 schools still have the financial prowess to challenge NCAA decisions in higher courts.

The situation Kansas was in with Askew almost brought us the death penalty just because we loaned a player money for a flight in order to visit his dying grandmother. Kansas made the mistake of handling this from within the university and did not bring on better legal capabilities. You won't see a situation like this again at Kansas, where they face the death penalty for squat.

I believe a good legal team in the right case can completely dismantle the power monopoly held by the NCAA. Their reaching into commercial interests where they want special treatment under the law. Just a matter of time...

@jaybate-1.0

Imagine a different Final Four.

Imagine the controlling interest ends up completely in the hands of ShoeCos. So you have a Nike league... an Adidas league... a Jordan league.. and one other. The playoffs lead to a winner of each league squaring off in a Final Four!

It would help level out the power structure of ShoeCos. You would see a lot of teams dumping Nike to increase their chances in a less competitive league.

So you would have all the same conferences now... but when March brackets come along after conference play, each team splits into its ShoeCo brackets.

@drgnslayr
Super idea. It would be great. Like Grand Prix racing oriented to teams oriented to brands, only with schools part of it. I could adapt.

@drgnslayr

Well said,
Never thought I'd see such corruption in full view of the public given a free pass. The Nixon tapes (missing tapes) got him impeached yet Clinton can have an intern performing sex acts in the Oval Office and gets a free pass?
So now-power house NCAA teams get the kid glove treatment on violations or wink/nod refs assists to advance in March Madness games to favor viewership markets?
I am sick of this cr*p. I would love to see it burned down if it meant pure blind justice as the blindfolded lady holds the scales-but it seems to me that time left us-and it makes me sad.

@jaybate-1.0 I believe it is rotten to the core, imho. I think it will come out one day that ncaa violations were enforced too harshly for some, and not at all for others. I think it will come out the ncaa has stacked the tournament to ensure easy paths for some, and unbelievably difficult for others ( Dook gets some amazing good draws, year after year ). I don't trust them. I don't think they have KU's best interests at heart, in either the enforcement of their 8,000 page rule book, or the way they seed us.

@JayhawkRock78
I think you have your history a little bit backwards. Nixon resigned. He wasn't impeached, though he most likely would have been, had he not resigned when he did. Clinton didn't get a free pass. He was impeached by the House, but not convicted by the Senate. And what Nixon tried to do to our political system was just as corrupting, or more so, as jaybate's hypothetical corruption theory in college basketball. Clinton got a blow-j**. Big deal. But heaven forbid we should have another political discussion on a basketball thread.

@oldhwkfan This is not meant to be a political post. It is about how you get in trouble with the "law".

Al Capone was convicted of tax evasion on his revenue, not of the crimes that were the source of his revenue.

Nixon was in legal trouble just as much for the Watergate coverup as for the break-in itself.

Clinton was in legal trouble more because he lied under oath than because of what he lied about. (He was forced to testify under oath about his sexual activities while being investigated for sexual harassment.)

So both men lied. One lied about the apparent abuse of power to retain power, the other lied about his sexual activities. One got forced out of office, the other was acquitted and could have been re-elected if third terms were allowed.

I won't compare Watergate to hypothetical corruption in sports: that probably would be political...

@oldhwkfan
Yes I did get my wire crossed on some of the specifics thanks to a few cocktails. My point was there is less and less accountability and morals and ethics are going down hill faster and faster. Corruption is everywhere and nobody's feet is held to the fire, much less get fined, fired, or locked up.

@ParisHawk Agreed