@benshawks08 loved this. He put into words what I have felt for a long time.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in All Politicked Out? Election 2020:
I ordered some celebratory alcohol and wine today. It will be nice to drink because of something positive and not related to fear/anxiety/depression.
I have to keep reminding myself that this is not just good-bye to Trump, but to other favorites like DeVos, Miller, Barr, and the rest of the gang.
First, I :hundred_points: agree on celebrating something for a change being nice.
That being said, I'm trying to be realistic that Trump is still going to be a disruptive force until he dies or the world changes and people like him will be disrupted forces until the world changes.
There is a massive amount of work to be done to get to a better place culturally not just better policy.
The sun rises on Georgia Blue....
- Alabama
- Arkansas
- Georgia
- Mississippi
- North Carolina
- Oklahoma
- South Carolina
- South Dakota - Only for congressional and gubernatorial elections
- Texas
- Vermont - Only for tie votes
https://ballotpedia.org/Runoff_election ↗ :shrug: (i'm just spitting out what this site said)
It's pretty bad. Trump croney needs a beat down.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in All Politicked Out? Election 2020:
@approxinfinity do they drop the libertarian?
Yup!
@FarmerJayhawk They need to play this on repeat down there of Perdue deliberately mispronouncing Kamala Harris' name at a Trump Rally:
Rick Santorum now saying that he's getting lots of "testimonial videos" from "friends" reporting widespread fraud. Is he referring to twitter trolls? This guy has lots of friends?
Lindsey Graham endorsing Trump today, little shiny slimeball that he is.
They can keep gettin' dem checks. Just pass the torch. I nominate the freshmen democrats that called for impeachment when this country needed it:
All of them won reelection. Only 1 is in California. Freshman female reps with military backgrounds and integrity. Winners.
@FarmerJayhawk said in All Politicked Out? Election 2020:
@approxinfinity said in All Politicked Out? Election 2020:
I don't know man, BLM turned out the vote in Georgia. They've got momentum, they're organized, and still mad as hell, especially if Trump keeps running his mouth. Time may deflate Trump supporters more than the Democrats.
For a Presidential, sure. How much do they have left in the tank? Are they going to come out for Jon freaking Ossoff? Maybe the whitest white dude ever to be white? The senior vote will be there for the GOP. The rural vote will be there. Will college kids vote? It’s tougher for me to find the 50% for D’s than R’s is all I’m saying.
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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in All Politicked Out? Election 2020:
As long as we get rid of Feinstein first.
Yes please. I think its time for the House leadership to come from the battlegrounds and not from the California Ivory Tower. Be more machiavellian about it. Put your capital near the warfront.
I'm ready to put Pelosi out to pasture after this one.
I don't know man, BLM turned out the vote in Georgia. They've got momentum, they're organized, and still mad as hell, especially if Trump keeps running his mouth. Time may deflate Trump supporters more than the Democrats.
Spanberger, my House Rep lost her shit on her fellow democrats on a call today, telling them to never use the word socialist again and to distance themselves from the defund the police movement:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/05/house-democrats-angry-over-election-losses-leaders-promises-answers/6179057002/ ↗
If you'll recall, she was one of the House Democrats that called for impeachment, and I'm happy she won reelection.
If there is a silver lining here, either way, the American public will get the point hammered home without distraction that the Senate is the true seat of power in United States politics.
So currently Perdue has 2,448,369 and Ossoff has 2,347,307 with Shane Hazel, the Libertarian, getting 113,613.
2016, the Senate race: Republican 2,135,806, Democrat: 1,599,726, Libertarian: 162,260
Do you think the numbers on the runoff will be as juiced without Trump on the ticket? Who does that favor? I can't imagine how intense the get-out-the-vote movement will be for a Senate race.
Georgia. What an amazing turnaround there for Democrats to get to 2 Senate runoffs. We'll see how it plays out; that Jan 5th runoff will have both parties' full attention.
@FarmerJayhawk I'm skeptical. I think it's going to be very hard to divorce themselves from 69 million votes. I doubt there are many direct public denouncements.
If they do, they'll be likely to fall in line when he runs again in 2024 as it has been reported he would do, or when Don Jr or some equivalent guy pulls into town with a similar act.
@FarmerJayhawk very nice. Liked and commented.
They also don't directly denounce the President. Say his name.
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@FarmerJayhawk said in All Politicked Out? Election 2020:
Rep. Kenzinger had a strong statement. Sen. Sasse as well.
Thanks for this. I will check it out. Glimmer of hope.
Well is it not possible to find a Republican politician right now with the integrity to say loudly that Trump is divisive, a liar, and anti-democratic? I don't think it is, because to do so means leaving themselves vulnerable.
Pathetic. There can only be better days ahead, but not for the Republicans if they can't denounce deplorable actions like this in real time.
Listening to Rick Santorum pretend to have a heart by admitting facts that he conveniently ignored for the last 24 hours...
Well. Now would be a good time for Yertle The Turtle to show his spine and how unevil he is and denounce Trumps attempts to incite a Civil War.
Not hide in his shell. Denounce it.
I would think that not obstructing the will of the people by partisan politics and being able to call on a popular vote ad hoc whenever it made sense in clear, concise, meaningful terms (by the online system I'm proposing) should be a serious feather in a politicians cap when seeking reelection and a wonderful way to break down partisanism.
@FarmerJayhawk I think this is where the governing body needs to curate the content better, determining what items their constituents would would want a direct say on and use very clear and deliberate language. This requires the elected official to have a desire to represent a majority of his constituents and not just his party's view, obviously.
I honestly have no idea about the process of how referenda end up on the ballot now. I agree the language seems deliberately confusing and vague.
@FarmerJayhawk it most definitely is progress. It relies on much more stable, cheaper means of transportation of data. It means that upgrades in process / ballot contents could be deployed much more quickly and without enormous costs (see removal of dead people from the ballot). It cracks the door on direct democracy. What do you think about direct democracy? Do you believe people can and will make informed choices when entrusted with more opportunities to vote on policy? Do you think that is a good thing? I do, and I do again. There will take some learning and have hiccups but yes, I believe in the people.
As far as mail in being better because people don't have computers, what about people who don't have homes? Do you need an address to get mailed a ballot? There should always be a physical backup solution just as absentee has been our backup to date.
I only say "in theory" because there are those who know more than me about this, but I have confidence that it can be done. I fully agree we can roll this out on a smaller scale and build up, but ultimately I don't think that security is what will hold us back from getting there.
I would think that just as banks have fraud detection looking for anomolyous data, you would use machine learning to identify potential fraudulent voting as votes are cast. Even analog votes now should be used as training models for fraud detection in eventual online systems.
@FarmerJayhawk I don't think the government hires the best and brightest IT people at all. They're paid less than in the private sector, with less interest work using old technologies. Also, the government has done a poor job with contracting IT companies who are similarly below the grade. While not the Government, see the most recent DNC contract re: the app developed by Shadow for the Iowa Caucus. Amateur hour.
This would obviously have to be done by people who know what they're doing. This is simply at its core the guaranteeing of one piece of data (ballot with a few fields) that may be written once only per unique user, and then have an adequate checksum system / redundancy to guarantee its integrity / availability. This does not seem very hard in theory tbh. We aren't talking about continued access to update the data. One time. Read only thereafter. They need to do one simple thing but do it very well.
Hire the best and brightest. Make it transparent and redundant.
Fear should not stop us from progress.
@mayjay hear me out.
We have social security numbers right? Just like a ss #, your password would be issued on a card that you'd be responsible to stash in a safe place. That is reasonable and not very different than a system we already have.
As far as people without internet, as I said, a fallback system would still be present.
This isn't a pipe dream. It's a goal that we should strive toward aggressively.
@FarmerJayhawk I don't buy it. If they hired real IT professionals to drive the project, they wouldn't have critical security flaws. And as far as paper balloting being more secure and less corruptable, the fact that we would even entertain the ideas that there were massive dumps of votes for one candidate or the other, and ballots lost or destroyed, real or imaginary that all goes away with online voting.
Issue each citizen a unique online ID/gov email with an auto generated complex password. Password retrieval might be done in person. This email is used for all interactions with the government. In the case of voting, their response would be emailed back to them and they might vote well ahead of the deadline to be sure they have proper confirmation of how their vote was tallied. There would still be a local presence to handle things, especially in areas of extreme poverty or areas under duress.
My assumption is that Republicans do not want this. Maybe neither party does. This can easily lead down a path toward a more direct democracy with higher participation.
Why do we cast physical ballots? Why don't we have a secure government website where we can cast our vote easily and securely? It can be done with the same level of checksums and transparency. This whole process is sloppy, inefficient and an avenue for greater voter suppression.
I'll have to think more about how likely the down ticket votes drove votes for Trump. It seems like even if the top of the ticket was a Biden or 3rd party vote, if the election was a referendum on Trump, good or bad, he still drives people to the polls who might split their ticket
@FarmerJayhawk consequential, I agree, but to be great you first have to be good, and the man is evil.
I prefer "Senor Turtlehead" or "Yertle The Turtle"
@FarmerJayhawk you don't think having Trump at the top of the ticket had the most to do with the turnout? what makes Mitch the greatest?
@Kcmatt7 I think we are going to see an explosion of douches running at all levels of government.
The fact that Trump's support was so deeply underestimated speaks to the fact that this is the blueprint we can expect for the future. Douche it up, cheat, scratch, claw, lie, defame, encourage crazies, refuse to denounce reprehensible activity, weaponize everything and anything. Nothing is sacred. Nothing is out of bounds.
And this is ok, right? Republicans are good with this. I mean not publicly, when asked for polls. But when they're standing there looking at the ballot... well that's between them and their God, right?
Character is what you do when nobody is watching.
Also, theres this.. https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/trump-campaign-files-lawsuit-in-georgia-to-pause-ballot-count ↗
Trump and crew strategy: F with USPS, then sue when delayed unprocessed absentee ballots are allegedly processed after 7PM.
But there are small counties left that Trump could pick up votes in too right?
Heh
Wish CNN would get a token Republican that had a little more integrity than Rick Santorum for their panel.
@FarmerJayhawk 400k in Maricopa country which is blue :man_shrugging:
@jayballer67 unless I'm not understanding precedent here, which is entirely possible, I assume you can file suit for a REcount, but filing suit to stop the actual counting is an attempt to subvert democracy. There is no indication of wrong doing here, this is just more Trump bullshit exceptionalism.
Trump is suing to stop ballot counts in Michigan? Gtfo of here with this bs.
Yay, drawn out legal battles, Washington gridlock with Mitch and Lindsey still doing their thing, and QAnon supporters, D-bag trolls ↗ and covid casualties posthumously winning office for the GOP.
It could be worse. But the two party system is failing us, social media and search algorithms are creating echo chambers of opinions and thought, and the Democrats are losing a culture war they don't understand.
Michigan should be a comfortable margin of victory given the demographics yet to be counted..
@KirkIsMyHinrich wowow
I hope so. It was 300k lead, but what's confusing is that Fairfax isn't fully in, which is a populous County that goes blue and what's more confusing, it seems the early votes are being counted late, which is opposite of what my impression of how it would happen was.
This country man. Virginia going red. Breaking my heart.
Ok. Only 15% of the vote counted thus far in Michigan and 35% of the vote counted thus far is early vote. Those %s will end up closer to 60% of the total. So it's not as doomsday as I thought