The line is only-2 WVU which really surprises me.
Big Dave needs to have his best defensive game of the year against Culver
The line is only-2 WVU which really surprises me.
Big Dave needs to have his best defensive game of the year against Culver
We’re getting a dub today
just not feeling very confident on this today
Hope they come to play today. Staying positive until well..
@BeddieKU23 they got to see the ball go in a bit the other night. I think it sparks us.
If the guards can play like they did the first 8 games and Dave can play like he has the last 5 or 6 then this team can get it together.
It’s a simple game. Put the ball in the basket.
@BeddieKU23 yes this team is likes to make things look hard for sure...
Watch this be the season Bill makes a run we have no business making. Get it all figured out in February.
Sounds like Bryce will be back within two weeks or so. Could be the spark this team needs, who knows.
Let's just win today.
Is the sound of the announcers going to be this bad all game?
Announcers are wired in through telegraph
Sounds like I’m listening to am radio.
Hahaha cbs amateur hour
West Virginia conveniently let fans in today
I wish the coaches just wouldn't wear masks. What's the point
Lay ups are so hard.
How did Dave completely miss the basket from 6 inches????
Hahahahaha dave
Och should have been called for a foul on that first wvu bucket
@DCHawker said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
How did Dave completely miss the basket from 6 inches????
Unathletic enough where he can dunk
Terrible rotation
Nice bucket
Dave hes left handed
I’ve had clearer conversations on walkie talkies. Are they going to fix it?
Wilson bringing energy on the boards. A good sign.
Yet another painful start...
Break one nine. You got your ears on? Over.
Hahahaha Garrett
I just ...
Just sad......
Garrett needs to take a couple weeks off and get his head right
Bunnies
Under 16 time out.
Omg guys.
Guess we skipped shoot around again
Spotting an early lead
I'm so over Dave and Marcus. Never have i ever been so done with 2 players
Oh Marcus
1-8 starting out. Probably should have hit 7 of them
here we go falling behind right off the bat- - - blowing easy close shots
Pretty sure we've seen this before. It's just getting old. No one is remotely close to making a basket from anywhere on the court
@BeddieKU23 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Guess we skipped shoot around again
The problem so far isn't missed shots - it's missed bunnies - 0-7 from a foot away...
Memphis’ court should be illegal
@Kcmatt7 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
1-8 starting out. Probably should have hit 7 of them
They’ve all been from so close. Moderately guarded to completely wide open. I mean. I’d miss that Marcus layup like once a month back when I played weekly pick up games but I’m like not good at basketball...
Lay-up practice every day next week.
Same ol same ol
Teams issue is getting to the rim and then when they do they can’t make it. Almost surprised to have the ball there or something
@Kcmatt7 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
@DCHawker 1-7 if we’re going for accuracy. But your point still stands
1-8 - one shot was from 3.... ;)
Do we practice shooting through contact?
Another timeout coming in 25
@Kcmatt7 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
@DCHawker the one make was a layup though...
You are correct, sir....
We need the W. If we lose today, the top 25 streak is over.
@DCHawker said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
@Kcmatt7 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
@DCHawker the one make was a layup though...
You are correct, sir....
Perhaps the toughest one honestly.
Thats such a shit call
That's not an offensive foul what lol
Subtle shade “Kansas able to double its score there”
Hey! Offense!
it's like watching an actual game when we make a couple shots
Wilson made his 2nd basket inside the arc in weeks
They are playing hard.
@BeddieKU23 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Wilson made his 2nd basket inside the arc in weeks
He should've driven on his first shot attempt too
Good d ochai
@benshawks08 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
They are playing hard.
More defensive intensity than in a while...
Good d again
This is such a tough year because normally when ku sucks it’s clearly a lack of focus or effort but I’m not sure that’s it this year.
Ticky-tack calls against West Virginia always piss me off because you could call WVU for that every possession.
Oh Marcus your such a bone head. A senior making those mistakes with the ball just floors me
What did Mitch do to these refs?
Hahahahahaha on that foul
Complete amateur hour again in this place
What am I watching?
Just really stupid TOs....
Seriously, I'm concerned about Garrett and his concussion
Year 3 and ochai still can't dribble
Huggins was robbed of a title run when Kenyon Martin broke his leg at Cinci
This team will absolutely improve just from not having Marcus next yr
These “passes”
Wow Harris you need to fight for the BALL
Refs have no prob calling fouls on KU
And 1 for tristan
What's the call? Breathing?
Good fence
Enaruna is looking way way better recently physically. Looking quick and lean
I see dave sucks today
@BShark said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
I see dave sucks today
It started when he missed the bucket from a foot away...
I'm just going to ignore Dave and Marcus
Marcus really needs to make wide-open transition lay-ups and stop getting trapped.
Big time drive there
@BeddieKU23 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
@BShark said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
I see dave sucks today
Marcus sucks a lot worse
Been bad for awhile tbh
Another one.
Gotta make the layup
We all knew he was going to miss that, didn't we
Man this team is allergic to easy buckets
Okay Harris. Please sit
Thats just sad
Harris at least looked athletic on that blown lay up. Trying to stay positive here but having to get creative.
Ochai!!!
The D is fine. Let's go offense
Another missed bunny
Great pass Wilson
I must be ahead of some of y’all.
@benshawks08 Me too.
Wow christian. Wtf
How can we be this bad at making lay-ups? This is ridiculous.
Culver shooting 60% FTs this year and worse last. We can hack.
Pathetic
Braun put up no resistance on that drive...
Can we just zone them?
Or maybe I’m behind? Not sure of that “great pass Wilson” comment was sarcasm or genuine praise.
It was sarcasm
Two called fouls. They've fouled plenty.
Memorably horrible pass.
Harris is unplayable
Wow a drive and kick by Wilson. More of that.
@BeddieKU23 did you make it to the legitimate good pass?
Yes
Damm Harris - - catching on with the rest of the team missing 1 ft layups , stepping out of bounds hell ya exactly what we need from him
3-12 from short range and 7 TOs. Lucky we aren't down double digits...
@jayballer67 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Damm Harris - - catching on with the rest of the team missing 1 ft layups , stepping out of bounds hell ya exactly what we need from him
Just trying to fit in with the guys.
I think four guys, maybe five, have missed a layup so far.
@DCHawker said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
3-12 from short range and 7 TOs. Lucky we aren't down double digits...
I was thinking the same thing. How is this even close right now?
@DanR said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
I think four guys, maybe five, have missed a layup so far.
just give me layups just sad
@BeddieKU23 so does the score...
one thing about WV they always give you a chance to work your way back in a game
Well one thing can be said about this team, they'll have no problem playing from behind.
Good d from Dave there.
@DanR said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
I think four guys, maybe five, have missed a layup so far.
Garrett, Dave, Juan and Braun have each missed point blank lay-ups...
Dave is getting abused by Culver...
It's getting old having white players compared only to white players.
Wilson!
Another olay defense
Good thing Marcus threw it in to an impossible angle
That’s not a travel
why did Braun dive?
@BeddieKU23 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Good thing Marcus threw it in to an impossible angle
Really stupid pass.
He looked really cool.
McNeil fouled him too
Good grief ref
Can we please use a skip pass?
Marcus now adding bonehead defense is not a great development
Self will never sit his pet
@approxinfinity said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Can we please use a skip pass?
Jalen tried one of those which was easily stolen...
Over the back
@benshawks08 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
@DCHawker not sure we are good enough passers to pull them off.
I am sure.... ;)
these refs
Ditto
travel
4 tries
three extra posessions due to the refs
Hahahaha
Braun with active hands. Like it.
Great job Dave. Your 4 inches taller and couldn't block that
@approxinfinity Dave has had a couple strips as well but we haven’t been able to hold onto them.
McBride is abusing Harris.
Good GOD these refs are so dam inconsistent
We have 4 assists and 9 TOs -- WVU has 9 assists and 5 TOs....
9 turnovers and 6 missed one ft layups - - IS NOT a receipe to a W
4-14 from 2. Difference in the game
Marcus...
10 turnovers - what the hell Marcus
The teachers pet really sucks
this is such a ugly team to watch
These out-of-bounds calls are kind of bullshit tbh
Great defense
What, we get the ball???
@Kcmatt7 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
4-14 from 2. Difference in the game
But according to this announcer, the ball belongs with Dave. 1-4
Complete amateur hour
we are just s0 - - -so - -so - -so - -loss for words
Guys are playing hard at least. Execution is horrible, but they are all over this floor
Braun is playing hard.
Good job Braun. Get your money's worth on every foul
What are our top options for another guard next year. We have a schollie?
@jayballer67 but hard fouls. And effort fouls.
A transfer not on the radar
@approxinfinity we are currently out of scholarships, but I suspect that will change.
No obvious solutions as of today though.
Exactly what we need Self getting t"d up - - now we can go in at half down by 14 thanks Bill
Breck Girl Higgins sighting. No wonder refs are awful
What’s the tech for?
We still have time for three more turnovers before half
Techs for this team just put us in a bigger hole. Thanks big guy
Just mailing it in
Was isiah moss eligible this year w covid extension?
We need to post Ochai more.
@BeddieKU23 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Techs for this team just put us in a bigger hole. Thanks big guy
Ridicilious T for Bill
There's Garrett
Still sucks
Nice play to get ochai a basket tho
Well, we have balanced scoring from the starters fwtw...
Fight me, Higgins.
44% now shooting. That's their average and ceiling
Great D
Ollllllayyyy d
2 on culver
Way, way too much dribbling with no purpose by Marcus...
Ollllayyy d
Nice denial by Tristan
Wilson is a problem at the line
Probably goal tending, but HA HA
That should have been offensive goaltending...
Tristan nice
Not sure that Dave bucket should count but I’ll take it.
My kingdom for the answer to this - - - how many times have we went in at half time with a lead ?
Giving up 44 at half is not gonna get it done.
Looked good from the half court camera
Only way Dave can make one around the rim if it is actually inside the rim....
Played even with them after the first 4 minutes. Story of this team. 4-6 minute stretches of awful
@Kcmatt7 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Giving up 44 at half is not gonna get it done.
34 from 3 guys. D was looking ok until the last 5 minutes.
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Not counting that last heave, WVU is 7-11 from 3. Meanwhile we've missed 5 lay-ups.
@KirkIsMyHinrich and yet, on a positive note, we are only down 10. Could easily be 15-20
@Kcmatt7 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Giving up 44 at half is not gonna get it done.
use to be once apon a time KU wasn't giving up those kind of points to a team , the defense has really fallen off - -but again it's this team
@benshawks08 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
@Kcmatt7 starting to think this team should just shoot the first even mildly available 3 before we turn it over or air all a 2 footer.
PLEASE.
We pass up so many decent looks to shoot a contested layup or force feed the post.
They talked about only Culver. All of their clips for him were in the first 10 minutes. Only scored 3 after that. Mcbride has to cool off for us to win this. We will stop Culver.
Make lay-ups, clean up turnovers, rebound. That's what we can do better in the 2nd half.
Sherman and McBride at our lunch
5-7 from 3 and 21 pts
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Make lay-ups, clean up turnovers, rebound. That's what we can do better in the 2nd half.
And still lose by 10
Better than losing by 30 I guess
Is it the super bowl?
Crazy. - -In reality as bad have things looked/have been - -really you look and it shows were not playing that bad against these guys, it's just the timing of how things are playing out.
FG % right at a Wash ( 46.4-47.2 ) - - Rebounds a Wash ( 16-18 ) - - two area's where the game is at - 3pt shooting WV 7-11 ( 63.6 ) - - KU 4-8 ( 50.0 ) - - - difference of 9 points in a 10 point half time deficit - -that AND Turnovers - -KU - -11 - -WV 6 - there is the ball game at this point - -Oh ya and this like 6 missed 1 ft layups by KU - -ok guys time for layup drills
what the hell has happened to our Defense
Made a layup!
We were 4-8 from 3, Agbaji 2 of 3
2 layup s!
Get some frigging stops...
pretty good start
Marcus!
Even the open layups going down for us this half.
Braun from NBA is like .900
Did Bill give everyone a shot of adrenaline or cocaine or something at half?
Wilson!
Wilson getting confident! Showing some emotion!!!!
New game!
Making good passes?!
Where did all of that come from???????
d and finishing
We lured them into complacency!
Feels like we swapped jerseys with the other team at half
I'm back. How we doin?
well - - -well- - -well lookie - - lookie what I found - - A BALLGAME
Starters have 10-9-9-9-8
Braun is a badass today.
Coaching at half
12 points in 2 minutes, wow
Wow where was this?
@Kcmatt7 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Did Bill give everyone a shot of adrenaline or cocaine or something at half?
ummm possibly both ? lol
@Kcmatt7 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Feels like we swapped jerseys with the other team at half
Hahaha that was awesome
Huggy starting to resemble a tired old catfish
@approxinfinity walrus
Now, can we sustain it??? We're getting awfully excited about being tied early in the second half of a game...
think Coach got in their shorts at half - - maybe they actually listened
@Crimsonorblue22 I haven't put the recliner back yet. So I can leave quickly if neccessary
@BeddieKU23 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Just excited to be tied
I know, but that is really so sad....
I wishing for a 3rd foul on culver
YOU'RE SOFTER THAN OFF BRAND TOILET PAPER!
Worst set of hands on a big to ever play here
Culver is even making his FTs...
Hack a JC
25 mile wind took that 3
Doke would have shoved that shot up his ass
And, we are back to TO city...
Oh no. We suck again.
OK, I'm going to shovel some snow
Game of runs
Back to bricks
well that was a nice little tease
Braun should of shot that instead of Wilson
Back to bricking layups
@DanR said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
OK, I'm going to shovel some snow
I'm sure that will be more fun then this
Eh. This is much better energy at least.
Bills pep talk only good for 4 minute segments
Losing sucks, but yea at least they look like it isn’t due to effort. Just ineptitude.
Hey Dave is boarding
@Crimsonorblue22 how bout that??
there is a brreak
Yayy foul 40 feet from the basket
Marcus
tied
Box score looks like what you'd want to see
Braun giving the full effort
Braun has been good today
Garrett and Braun first in double figures...
su re would be nice to play with the lead for awhile
Guard the theee point line and we can win this
That hurts...
Wow. Making even the guarded ones
I'm counting that as a dunk
Ball bouncing our way this half?
Nice
Why wouldn't it count ?
What are they looking at?
now we can't make free throws
F you higgins
Call that foul up top. Geez
get Harris the F out
That call is trash
Boy Harris has been awful today. -8 in 7 minutes
Time to recruit over jaun
Really bad possession by Harris - first giving it to Dave that high and then getting caught in the front court corner...
Mitch!
Braun learning the fall down charge plays.
Get a rebound.
My wish
@BeddieKU23 he is the type of guy who runs the show his senior season. He should not be seeing the floor yet. Total failure by Bill and co to not find another guy.
Oops. Mitch.
@Kcmatt7 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
@BeddieKU23 he is the type of guy who runs the show his senior season. He should not be seeing the floor yet. Total failure by Bill and co to not find another guy.
He can't shoot. I'm good with getting someone who can do both
Sad but true. Still think Harris could be good but he's work in progress and it would be a poor decision not to recruit another PG considering everything else weve got.
A 3
we just can't get the ball with a chance to take the lead
Disjointed d there
Agbaji
How come we can't make passes like that....
Just can’t get that stop we need
we can't get a big stop. - - Watch Huggy was having a fit over that charge - - the Refs gonna make up for that - something really stupid be called against us
This stretch right here is where Bill teams of old put the clamps on and get up by 10.
Wilson has been handling more. He is honestly a much better passer than Marcus.
@approxinfinity don’t speak the truth so loudly
my kingdom for Devonte
Likely to end up with all 5 starters in double figures and could have 3 double-doubles -- but nothing from the bench today....
Bill going with that TIGHT rotation
Foul
@Crimsonorblue22 basketball has different rules in Morgantown than anywhere else in the world
Can't even get that
Made 2 free throws in a row!
Sick of McBride
If you were like “hey the game is closer we are probably playing better defense” we are pacing to give up another 44 this half
Hot shooting just not going to end.
you just can't keep on trading baskets - -oh ya you might want to get A DAM REBOUND WHILE YOUR AT IT
They gotta cool off eventually. Hope it's today.
So sick of this kid
@DanR said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
They gotta cool off eventually. Hope it's today.
they will when the games over
In 10:34 we have almost scored what we did the entire 1st half. We just can’t get a damn stop
McBride and Sherman with 39. Sure
told ya they would get a call
4th on Garrett...
McBride balling out. WVU draining contested threes.
welp - - Harris
Garrett with the charge and could have been a dunk by Dave instead
Harris just getting ABUSED
Mcbride, butler, Cunningham screw these b12 guys and their nba talent!
@Kcmatt7 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Garrett with the charge and could have been a dunk by Dave instead
Really?
right back were we were at
Why play Harris
@Kcmatt7 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Harris just getting ABUSED
Yeah, he will be a solid player for us but he has to get stronger.
Gotta get Harris doing the Frank Mason freak weight regimen
Stop lobbing it to the post. They want you to dummies
Braun and Wilson have been watching out for each other today
@BeddieKU23 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Why play Harris
GOD bring Marcus back in with 4- -get harris the fuck out
Being in Tristan and put Wilson at the point?
It takes Dave sooooooo long to get a shot off
@benshawks08 yes.
Layup missed again
@Kcmatt7 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Stop lobbing it to the post. They want you to dummies
Trying to come back with 2s. Classic Bill.
We have got to get Cuff to re-class - - Harris is NOT the answer. Cuff bigger build - -for sure a lot better scorer
43 by their two guards...
Jalen 14 points & 10 rebounds today
McCormick 15 points & 8 rebounds
@jayballer67 a handful of assists too
Yea you can’t do that
Boys these are pathetic calls
F you ref
Garrett got hammered
ref with the dagger
This is over.
Finally
These fricken refs - - -for sure make up call that time against WV
I still think WVU can blow this
Not sure the refs will let us get back in it.
Nope
looked like a travel, but I'm not a real ref
@DanR said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
looked like a travel, but I'm not a real ref
Neither are they
Settling for mid-range 2s...
Gonna lose this with force feeding the ball to Marcus down the stretch.
Wilson took Dave's rebound. Wanted it more.
Back to where we started the half....
I think the only way we win now is if they take 10 points away from WVU
We had a ten point run in this much time to start the half. Could happen again.
@benshawks08 yup. At this point Marcus is the weakest link.
Can’t let the guards shoot or the ball get in to culver. Killing us inside and out.
@benshawks08 we need 11 though
Need Agbaji to get more looks.
@approxinfinity said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
@benshawks08 yup. At this point Marcus is the weakest link.
He used to make up for his offensive woes with fantastic d but his defense has been fine to even bad at some points this season.
@benshawks08 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Can’t let the guards shoot or the ball get in to culver. Killing us inside and out.
Need to play a triangle and 3.... ;)
@approxinfinity I'd say point guard is the weakest link. We don't have anybody who would do better than Marcus. Jalen is a nice idea, but unlikely really to be an improvement.
@DCHawker said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
@benshawks08 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Can’t let the guards shoot or the ball get in to culver. Killing us inside and out.
Need to play a triangle and 3.... ;)
That’s innovative
Bill is going to have to figure out a way to keep this team at least EVEN for the first 5 minutes of the game
you don't need to look any further as to why we lost - - TO'S and 3 pt shooting - KU 18 TO'S WV 12 - - - -WV shooting 10 % better from 3's Dave and Jalen had nice stat games but yet both had their share of critical TO's
Culver and Dave both have 17-9; why does it seem like Culver has dominated???
@tundrahok yeah. Well I think Jalen could be an improvement and Tristan at the 4. But Self will never bench Marcus.
I genuinely wonder what Jay Wright does with this roster. I hate to be that guy, but is he 16-3? I think he is. I think he would have leaned into the guard/wing heavy roster. He would have found a creative way to manufacture assists. He would have posted up Ochai and Wilson against smaller players.
Bill is an inside out guy and that’ll never change.
@DCHawker said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Culver and Dave both have 17-9; why does it seem like Culver has dominated???
Because he has everytime he gets the ball. Not enough ball to go around for all the hot shooting for wvu
Marcus is playing out of position and the point responsibility on offense is hurting his defense.
Bubble team. Will be lucky to get in
LMAO - -and thye give this idiot and one are you frickin kidding me
@benshawks08 that's probably the better answer
@approxinfinity they are going to score 90. They all dominated.
If I were Enaruna I would not be satisfied with the minutes I was given this game for what I showed while in.
Really dumb foul by Braun.
Tehan?
Jalen 16 points - - -14 rebounds
Teahan can foul and hit a 3
West Virginia with a Season high in Score
Maybe we are building good karma for late with all these career shooting nights for teams and individuals
Never seen a Self defense this bad.
SUPER BOWL SUNDAY - - -GO CHIEFS
@BShark said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Never seen a Self defense this bad.
We played good defense for a while to start the 2nd half but they just kept making guarded shots and then it all fell apart again.
WELL NA NA NA NA - - NA NA NA NA - - HEY HEY GOOD BYE - -rankings it's been good ride
@tundrahok the switch everything on defense is what is killing his d. Makes his defense useless
@BShark said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Never seen a Self defense this bad.
Never seen a self offense this bad
Bottom half of the league hurts.
He will be valued and taken care of next yr. It just won't be here.
here is a little shout out to the Big twelve teams - - ya go ahead - - kick this dog NOW while he is down THIS year , cause I'm tlling ya - -This dog ain't down for long , so you better hope when you kick him - -kick us hard enought to keep us down - - BECAUSE WHEN WE GET UP - - -LOOK OUT
Oregon's floor is awful!
Seriously, what adjustments have been made by Bill this season?
@Kcmatt7 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Seriously, what adjustments have been made by Bill this season?
OBVIOUSLY NOT MAKING LAY UPS
Have a hard time feeling much of anything about this one. We played really hard. They went out and made a ton of junk. In the past we could weather that because we had the talent, but just don’t have it this year. Only one top 50 player played today (Dave).
Oh but the 3 best players for West Virginia today were 1 top 100 a juco and who knows what McBride was ranked. Developed talent makes a difference
Can't have kids who can't shoot in today's game. Just a roster full of them
@FarmerJayhawk said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Have a hard time feeling much of anything about this one. We played really hard. They went out and made a ton of junk. In the past we could weather that because we had the talent, but just don’t have it this year. Only one top 50 player played today (Dave).
Yeah this is where I'm at with it. Need some dudes. I honestly forgot the game was on today until after it started.
@BeddieKU23 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Oh but the 3 best players for West Virginia today were 1 top 100 a juco and who knows what McBride was ranked. Developed talent makes a difference
And we split with them. About what you’d expect given the winner in each had a whacky outlier in shooting
We are either unlucky getting the outlier shooting nights or the defense is as bad as it looks
Tyon hurt for the 4th time this year.
@BeddieKU23 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
We are either unlucky getting the outlier shooting nights or the defense is as bad as it looks
I think it's a combination of KU giving up some open 3s early allowing teams to get comfortable and then the other team riding that confidence into making tougher shots even when the D does tighten up.
It's honestly a testament to this team's will to fight that we don't get run out of the gym most games after the way they start most games. I mean, we don't just start most games down 10 points but also down confidence, under pressure, and not in the flow. It's a LOT of work to get all those things back. I guess they just don't know how to manufacture the energy needed to be ready to play. Once they get going they can hang with most teams (not beat them obviously as we've struggled to really put a dent in the early leads we give up) but we aren't THAT much worse than the rest of the big 12.
A big part of it is leadership and this team just doesn't have that. Bill wants it to be Marcus or Dave but they don't seem to have it in them. I think it should be Och but just may not be his personality. Wilson could be it but just isn't quite ready. Braun showed some today but is too inconsistent, I think. Enaruna doesn't play enough which I think many of us would like to see change. But we also wanted Harris to play more and he's clearly not ready. TGF was another supposed savior but alas. We can hope Thompson will be a spark but I never saw it when he played earlier in the year.
Seems like we have some good guys who play hard and seem to really care but just don't have that extra little bit to put them over the top. We will beat the bad teams most nights, and may have another surprise win or 2 over better teams but this is pretty much who we are this year.
There's only two good defenders on this team so team defense will is going to be subpar. That's the more concerning issue to me because this team was still supposed to a good defensive team, not as good as last, but still good.
The offense was never going to be the strength of this team so the defense had to step up this year and they've failed miserably on that end of the floor.
This team needs to accept - and Coach needs to do so with them - what it is, a small ball team that needs to pass the ball to damn near the end of every shot clock and D up. Unlike many, I didn't think that this team would be strong on defense or offense, and I called it early. Let's face it, having a Doke (the dude was a beast) and Devon going to the bucket at will saved us last year. They were, basically, unstoppable.
So, are we going to drop out of the top 25 for the first time in ? years? Just sad for this team and our fans.
We're spoiled. Team is soft, we're soft. This is a good wake up call to take nothing for granted.
@stoptheflop Oh not doubt about it. The defense - even Garrett looked to totally half-ass it on several occasions - was a total no-show the final ten minutes. This team looks like a first round Dance loser.
I have never second-guessed Coach, but why does he refuse to acknowledge this team's best starting five? Why does he not play Enaruna more? I don't care what their final stats were, this team cannot with the personnel that they have get into any type of offensive and therefore even defensive flow with McCormack and Garrett starting. It is as simple as that.
On a positive note, we're not as bad record wise as UK or Duke.
Instead of spoiled fans, I would characterize us as fans of a program because it consistently puts a competitive and competent team on the floor. I know that is and has been a difficult task that starts with recruitment and ends with wins. That's what I've been a fan of and Coach Self and his staff have been great for many, many years. There's nothing wrong with pointing out how this team and even Coach Self are different this year. I can't help but think there is a hangover effect and a loss of drive for most D1 players. A hangover for those players who put great effort into last season, only to see it end so suddenly and without a satisfactory conclusion. Clearly, fans in the stands matter to the players and their level of play. Marcus Garrett is a completely diffierent player this year. Christian Braun doesn't show up for most games. I can't figure it out and the coaching staff obviously can't either.
@stoptheflop well said. Disappointment and softness I think go hand in hand. I've thought of myself as both disappointed and soft throughout this pandemic and vascillate between the two self identifiers pretty fluidly.
There are better times ahead, and I think I'm at the point now where I just look for growth even if it doesn't translate to tournament success this year.
Do you see this team making the tournament?
The hawks play 4 games in the next 8 days including two this week against Iowa St, who has played West Virginia and Oklahoma to single digit defeats this week, they are playing better. Oklahoma St downed Texas and already beat us badly. The last 3 games don't look promising.
Say this team goes 2-5 the rest of the way and has 12 losses going into the Big-12 tourney if they have one. Is a 14-12 team really going to make it?
I guess if the guys are going to have more games in March they will have to find a way to upset some teams
Are there any linguists on this board? I need an American word for "schadenfreude." One of the few pleasant results from this horrible D1 season is the pain Kentucky fans are enduring and reading their many solutions and suggestions for their disasterous year, including firing Coach Calipari. I'm not proud of my compulsion to read the Kentucky boards, but it gets me through yet another poor outing by our guys yesterday. KU may stink, but UK is much worse. Just ask their fans. Schadenfreude, since I can't find any pleasure from our team.
@BeddieKU23 it never crossed my mind that we might not make the tournament until your post. That's a bitter pill. Its possible we don't make it. We have the talent to make it with that schedule, if we play well. I guess we will see.
What a better time to reset all the streaks than a force or nature out of our control.? We didn't piss our consecutive tourney and top 25 streaks away with too many team cancer OADs, or mass vacations to the league, we held the line! It took a plague to take us down, and there is no shame in that, but maybe there is a weight off our shoulders, off Bill's shoulders, and an opportunity to turn over new leaves and renew our vows as dedicated fans of Kansas basketball.
@stoptheflop maybe the phrase "misery loves company" or the terms "comisseration", or "sadistic"?
@BeddieKU23 said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
Do you see this team making the tournament?
The hawks play 4 games in the next 8 days including two this week against Iowa St, who has played West Virginia and Oklahoma to single digit defeats this week, they are playing better. Oklahoma St downed Texas and already beat us badly. The last 3 games don't look promising.
Say this team goes 2-5 the rest of the way and has 12 losses going into the Big-12 tourney if they have one. Is a 14-12 team really going to make it?
I guess if the guys are going to have more games in March they will have to find a way to upset some teams
Yes this team will be in the tournament this year. It'll be the lowest seed KU has been under Self, but yes, this team will make the tournament. KU was projected to be a 5-6 seed before yesterday and will likely end up somewhere in the 8-9 range.
Wins against Creighton, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and West Virginia with no bad losses in the eyes of the committee is a solid resume at this point. 6 of KU's 7 current losses are to teams projected to be a 5 seed or higher. It also helps that the B12 is currently either 1 or 2 in strongest conferences in the country.
As long as KU doesn't lose to ISU or KSU, KU will once again be in the NCAA tournament.
Were gonna make the tourney , I'm not worried about that. Hell right now we are at like a 6 , - - we co uld almost free fall and still be a play-in a very worst. - Would you wanna be a team that plays against KU if we were the winner of a play in game ? - - I wouldn't
A journalist answered my earlier question: KU's 231 weeks in the top 25, back to Feb 2009, will likely come to an end Monday.
I'm certainly hopeful we make the tournament despite the struggles and the shortcomings. I'm just worried that this team is fractured beyond repair and the pieces just don't fit and the same issues we have continue to be systemic.
It would be really heartbreaking to see them miss the tournament if that even went that road. I'm just seeing its possible with the schedule left. Good thing we have quality wins from earlier in the year. We are not Duke or Kentucky that have very little chance of making it so I can't imagine what reality those fans are facing. What a whacky year
@approxinfinity said in Huggy Bonus Game Thread:
@BeddieKU23 it never crossed my mind that we might not make the tournament until your post. That's a bitter pill. Its possible we don't make it. We have the talent to make it with that schedule, if we play well. I guess we will see.
What a better time to reset all the streaks than a force or nature out of our control.? We didn't piss our consecutive tourney and top 25 streaks away with too many team cancer OADs, or mass vacations to the league, we held the line! It took a plague to take us down, and there is no shame in that, but maybe there is a weight off our shoulders, off Bill's shoulders, and an opportunity to turn over new leaves and renew our vows as dedicated fans of Kansas basketball.
Thanks for that perspective. "It took a plague to take us down, and there is no shame in that." I'm embracing it. If it has to happen, this is the year for it, when everything in the world is weird.