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10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN
Nov 23, 2022 09:20 PM #1

@wissox and I will offer our scouting report on Wisconsin as we each follow both teams. Here we go:

On offense, Wisconsin is a system team only. They really are not looking to take guys off the dribble and rarely play freely. They want to touch the post on every possession and regularly play late into the shot clock. They don't often take bad shots and they'll make you defend for 30 seconds.

On defense, they play tough M2M at all times and will make you earn it. They don't reach a ton, don't often go for steals and aren't super interested in getting out in transition. It'll be a meat grinder game that they'll try to muck up and play ugly.

PG--Chucky Hepburn is really the only perimeter player they have who will look to take you off the dribble. He's had a REALLY slow start to his season offensively, especially from 3. He's capable offensively and is their engine, but it's been ugly so far because of his struggles. His backups (Lindsay and McGee) aren't special. Lindsay can shoot the 3, but is a walkon turned scholarship player.

SG--Max Klesmit is a transfer from Wofford. Scrappy with a decent outside shot. Defends like his life depends on it. Will probably piss you off as a KU fan. Just a solid player. His backup (Essegian) is a freshman who can really shoot it. Looks like he's 12 and doesn't really defend, but is Wisconsin's only player who I'd say is a scorer.

SF--Jordan Davis thinks he's his twin brother (who just got drafted in the top 10) and is nothing close to a high major BB player. My opinion is that he got a scholarship in order for UW to get his brother. He's really only a threat to score close to the basket but will shoot the ball freely...which you should root for. Good defender. His backup (Ilver) barely played before this year and he's only a 3-point shooter. Not much athleticism.

PF--Tyler Wahl is their best player who would be at a place like Kansas if he could shoot outside of 10 feet. He does everything else well...rebounds, defends, passes, leads, ball handling...just isn't much of an outside shooter. UW wants to get him the ball on the block, clear out, and let him try to back you down. He'll then go over either shoulder with a jump hook...usually after a pump fake. He can switch 1-5 on D and plays super hard. His backup (Gilmore) is another walk-on turned scholly player who is very limited offensively, but plays hard and physical on D. I'd be shocked if he shot the ball on offense except off of offensive rebounds

C--Steven Crowl is a true 7-footer who can play with his back to the basket and shoot the three. Not very athletic and pretty robotic, but can hurt you inside and out. He's getting better moving his feet, but he really struggles against length and athleticism. Another guy they'll throw it into and let him try to back you down. His backup (Hodges) plays 5 minutes/game and is raw.

I can't imagine this will be a pretty game. KU has WAY more talent and athleticism and should win with ease. That said, UW grinds you and if they get KU into a wrestling match it works to their advantage. I think UW keeps it close for 30 minutes and then KU has too much and wins 68-52

Nov 23, 2022 09:34 PM #2

Not much to add to that scouting report. Wisconsin is giving up 49 points a game in 4 games so far so don't expect another 80 point outburst like today. Jayhawks will need to be patient.

Until today, which was such an odd game, the Badger bench had been nonexistent scoring wise. Today the starters were really pretty bad and the bench had the majority of the points. For Wiscy to win Hepner is going to have to find his shot. He's good enough to have hit the BIG clinching 3 pointer at the buzzer against Purdue last season. I don't know how they'll get him going.

Finally, a hand on the arm in the handshake line is likely to start a memorable rumble between Gard and Self. I think Bill wins that fight!

Nov 24, 2022 02:11 PM #3

I’m surprised how much KU misses McCormack. The post play this year is wretched. Udeh runs around like a chicken with his head cut off - without intent. Zuby is raw, but actually looks like a post player. KJ is playing the best, but has no size. Zach can’t find the court.

Nov 24, 2022 02:23 PM #4

@dylans Could have went after someone in the portal but it feels like they thought/were hoping Zach would be the guy.

Nov 24, 2022 02:24 PM #5

Gonna have to strap it on today. Gonna have to take good shots, Wisconsin has held all 4 of it's opponents under 60 this year - - & holding opponents to 11 % from the three. - -I think they said opponents like 7 - -62 shooting the three against them

Got to play D for the entire clock cause they gonna play like they in mud--ROCK CHALK FELLA's

Nov 24, 2022 02:25 PM #6

At this point I do not see any Big who can play Self's Hi-Lo, throw it to him who can score in the paint with some moves.

Can anyone develop post moves and skills? Time will tell.

Until then Bill will have to rely on what KJ can do and also use Wilson/McCullar combo for 4-5 spot.

Nov 24, 2022 02:25 PM #7

@BShark said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@dylans Could have went after someone in the portal but it feels like they thought/were hoping Zach would be the guy.

The way it's playing out it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Zach hit the portal

Nov 24, 2022 02:28 PM #8

Happy Thanksgiving all!! Hopefully we are watching 2 more games of basketball then a beatdown of KSU!

Nov 24, 2022 02:29 PM #9

@AsadZ I’d guess that guy will be Zuby…his Jr year. This year I have no idea who will be a good post presence.

Nov 24, 2022 02:31 PM #10

I hope that Udeh will work his butt off and develop over the summer.

Nov 24, 2022 02:35 PM #11

@AsadZ it seems he puts forth a lot of effort in game day. I hope the game slows down for him soon.

Nov 24, 2022 02:36 PM #12

I am grateful for Gradey Dick, don't even want to think about this team without him.

Nov 24, 2022 02:38 PM #13

@BShark Guess what?!? He’s not just a shooter. Lol. I lost track of how many times the talking heads said that yesterday.

Nov 24, 2022 02:38 PM #14

@dylans about as many times as Bilas said Scheyer was "born for this" or w/e the line was.

Nov 24, 2022 02:39 PM #15

@BShark I need another emotion other than just upvote for this. Lol

Nov 24, 2022 02:46 PM #16

As far as the bigs it's really impossible to say this year. Someone might develop in time, they might not. Overall I'm very confident in Zuby being good eventually. Right now he feels like the guy that doesn't get enough minutes. He's better defensively than Udeh but worse and lost offensively. Udeh is a bit lost on that end too but has had more flashes. Zach before he got hurt was just an abyss on offense.

Get McCullar at his usual production, get a little bit out of Rice (Joe is not a P5 player, Rice might be) and we should finish 2nd in the Big 12. Bob is a good bench player. KJ is a good bench player too but he is forced to start so it's hard to see us finishing ahead of Texas.

Nov 24, 2022 02:51 PM #17

Ku 65 Wisconsin 59.

Nov 24, 2022 02:55 PM #18

@Jethro I'd be frustrated during the game but I'd take it!

Nov 24, 2022 02:56 PM #19

@BShark said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

As far as the bigs it's really impossible to say this year. Someone might develop in time, they might not. Overall I'm very confident in Zuby being good eventually. Right now he feels like the guy that doesn't get enough minutes. He's better defensively than Udeh but worse and lost offensively. Udeh is a bit lost on that end too but has had more flashes. Zach before he got hurt was just an abyss on offense.

Get McCullar at his usual production, get a little bit out of Rice (Joe is not a P5 player, Rice might be) and we should finish 2nd in the Big 12. Bob is a good bench player. KJ is a good bench player too but he is forced to start so it's hard to see us finishing ahead of Texas.

I felt the same way last year about this time. I had concluded there was no way Och, Braun and the gang were ever going to get past the S16. Then the magic happened. With this team, I'm not convinced there will be magic. Great individuals with JW, Juando, and the Gradey revelation, but I'm not seeing the donut hole in the middle as anything but a weakness. Still, our floor is the highest in basketball, period. A bad year for us is 25 wins and a S16.

Nov 24, 2022 02:58 PM #20

@Jethro Yeah my guess was 8 regular season losses before the year and watching the team has reinforced that for me. Duke is one I thought was a loss. 12-6 in the Big 12 is about where I think this team is.

Nov 24, 2022 03:10 PM #21

Which Gradey will we see today? The first half, can't miss Gradey or the second half where the hell is Gradey. Loved his first half shooting.

Nov 24, 2022 03:10 PM #22

We are going to have to get some production from the bench. Starters all played mid-30s minutes yesterday. That isn't sustainable over 3 games in 3 days or over the season.

Nov 24, 2022 03:15 PM #23

We just cannot finish around the rim. Don't go up strong and don't have good touch...

Nov 24, 2022 03:16 PM #24

good grief, missing open threes

Nov 24, 2022 03:16 PM #25

Wow McCullar is a brick layer

Nov 24, 2022 03:16 PM #26

@DanR Kevin 0-4...

Nov 24, 2022 03:17 PM #27

I do not like early games. KU never plays well.

Nov 24, 2022 03:18 PM #28

1-8 so far and the 7 misses haven't been close to going in...

Nov 24, 2022 03:18 PM #29

KU shooting 12%; McCullar 0/5. Come on now.

Nov 24, 2022 03:18 PM #30

The selfishness and bball iq of this team is atrocious today

Dick was just on fire last game and do they look to find him? Heck no - McCullar jacking it like he’s at the nba combine

Pass the effin ball you can’t shoot

Nov 24, 2022 03:19 PM #31

@stoptheflop gotta pass him the ball

He’s playing d and rebounding his teammates think it’s the Jalen and Kevin are high school buddies and think it’s their show

Nov 24, 2022 03:20 PM #32

Zack sighting...

Nov 24, 2022 03:20 PM #33

Zach Clemence sighting

Nov 24, 2022 03:20 PM #34

Zach. Didn't see that coming

Nov 24, 2022 03:20 PM #35

Jinx

Nov 24, 2022 03:22 PM #36

Wisconsin getting very good looks; KU not so much.... ;)

Nov 24, 2022 03:22 PM #37

shooting under 10 percent and only down three!

Nov 24, 2022 03:23 PM #38

Harris, Pettiford, and Yesufu in together. That is a small line up.

Nov 24, 2022 03:23 PM #39

Why is Wilson shooting the technical?

Nov 24, 2022 03:25 PM #40

Why was that not a shooting foul???

Nov 24, 2022 03:25 PM #41

Joe has been awful so far this season...

Nov 24, 2022 03:27 PM #42

14% shooting and tied....

Nov 24, 2022 03:27 PM #43

Clemence battling well

Nov 24, 2022 03:27 PM #44

Please no alley oop attempts today

Nov 24, 2022 03:27 PM #45

@DCHawker he is brutal same with Kevin

Mj PLEASE

Nov 24, 2022 03:27 PM #46

What the hell is this line up?

Nov 24, 2022 03:28 PM #47

I'm not ready to give Wisky that much credit for the shit shooting. McCullar has been wide open on all of his clankers

Nov 24, 2022 03:28 PM #48

Well I think they are starting to play better. Shots will fall, law of averages

Nov 24, 2022 03:29 PM #49

This game is about unwatchable.

Nov 24, 2022 03:29 PM #50

if we were shooting a dismal 25% we'd be up by 10

Nov 24, 2022 03:29 PM #51

what an ugly , ugly game playing right into Wisc hands - that's the way they play every time UGLY

Nov 24, 2022 03:29 PM #52

@DanR he has zero feel for the game offensively

Defensively he’s great but 4 years and he’s been awful this year

Clemence made a post move! He needs more minutes especially if he could hit the top of the key three or lock and pops

Nov 24, 2022 03:30 PM #53

@jayballer67 it’s because the wrong guys are shooting the ball for us. If we switched Gradey’s shots with Kevin’s we’d be up

Nov 24, 2022 03:30 PM #54

Wisc -Dayton yesterday was an offensive showcase compared to this....

Nov 24, 2022 03:31 PM #55

way to pass that ball Pettiford!

Nov 24, 2022 03:31 PM #56

no one misses the rest of the half for both teams

Nov 24, 2022 03:32 PM #57

Grady aint dickin around.

Nov 24, 2022 03:32 PM #58

@DanR said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

I'm not ready to give Wisky that much credit for the shit shooting. McCullar has been wide open on all of his clankers

There's a reason they left him open though. Wisconsin's defense is legit. Seems like they're similar to Iowa in football this year. Bad offense, but elite defense that will give them a chance to win most games this year.

Nov 24, 2022 03:32 PM #59

@DCHawker said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

Wisc -Dayton yesterday was an offensive showcase compared to this....

This game's on a pretty scoring similar pace.

Nov 24, 2022 03:36 PM #60

yikes, those freebies were not even close, KJ

Nov 24, 2022 03:36 PM #61

We need as many 3 - 0 runs as we can get!

Nov 24, 2022 03:36 PM #62

Don’t imagine KJ will be shooting many mid range jumpers.

Nov 24, 2022 03:37 PM #63

Noooo noooo YESS

Nov 24, 2022 03:38 PM #64

Finally the o has woke

Nov 24, 2022 03:39 PM #65

When Kevin hits a shot guys celebrate

When Gradey hits a shot Kevin isn’t that same energy

No clue the selfishness

Gradey start’s shooting and go figure he makes more than he misses

The seniority on this team needs to understand roles better

Zach needs more minutes

Nov 24, 2022 03:39 PM #66

Law of averages - - shots have got to start falling sometime right ?

Nov 24, 2022 03:39 PM #67

@DanR he shoots no arc….would take an easy chat to show him

Nov 24, 2022 03:40 PM #68

3s great and all, but 2-9 inside the arc? Similar to yesterday. We don't pose much of a threat in the interior...

Nov 24, 2022 03:40 PM #69

@Texas-Hawk-10 Gradey was out and it’s his team

Nov 24, 2022 03:40 PM #70

@DCHawker teams pack the paint against us they know besides #4 no one can shoot

Nov 24, 2022 03:40 PM #71

I missed the first 5 minutes which is a Thanksgiving gift.

Nov 24, 2022 03:41 PM #72

smart to quit doubling on their big man

Nov 24, 2022 03:41 PM #73

@Zabudda KU shot very consistently started 1-8. Then made 1 of their next 8….

Nov 24, 2022 03:42 PM #74

KJ!

Nov 24, 2022 03:43 PM #75

Nice shot Badgers... Nice shot Jayhawks...bad shot badgers...bad shot Jayhawks...nice shot Badgers...nice shot Jayhawks

Nov 24, 2022 03:44 PM #76

Does Wisconsin basketball? Or just badball?

Nov 24, 2022 03:45 PM #77

Looks like Rice checking in.

Nov 24, 2022 03:45 PM #78

@dylans

A 9 pt lead is big.

Nov 24, 2022 03:45 PM #79

@dylans As was pointed out by FocoJayhawk this is an offensively challenged team in Madison this year.

Nov 24, 2022 03:46 PM #80

@wissox said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@dylans As was pointed out by FocoJayhawk this is an offensively challenged team in Madison this year.

I compared them to Iowa in football this year.

Nov 24, 2022 03:46 PM #81

@wissox It’s like watching an early Bill Self team. They beat you up, but labored to score

Nov 24, 2022 03:47 PM #82

@Zabudda said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@dylans

A 9 pt lead is big.

Blow out.

Nov 24, 2022 03:47 PM #83

@Texas-Hawk-10 I hate being compared to anything Iowa!

Nov 24, 2022 03:47 PM #84

Damn Jalen and Zach both had chances to blow this game up

Nov 24, 2022 03:48 PM #85

Dominating on the boards - 25 -11- biggest reason for the lead - getting more shots...

Nov 24, 2022 03:48 PM #86

@wissox said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I hate being compared to anything Iowa!

Find the lie in the statement though, lol!

Nov 24, 2022 03:48 PM #87

I root for Zach but he is still getting or trying to get in the flow.

Nov 24, 2022 03:48 PM #88

Good to see Rice get in

Nov 24, 2022 03:49 PM #89

@Eric-san miss you, how's Gabriel?

Nov 24, 2022 03:50 PM #90

Surprised to not see either of the two big dudes out there yet.

Nov 24, 2022 03:51 PM #91

Getting Rice and Clemence going can open up the offense so much more, especially Clemence. Clemence can create space and open the lanes up for others to drive and help KU get buckets in the paint.

Nov 24, 2022 03:52 PM #92

joe, just take that shot, man

Nov 24, 2022 03:53 PM #93

KJ is just such a nuisance lol. Plays so hard.

Nov 24, 2022 03:54 PM #94

travel or double dribble or both

Nov 24, 2022 03:54 PM #95

@Kcmatt7 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

KJ is just such a nuisance lol. Plays so hard.

Just wish he could rebound worth a damn.

Nov 24, 2022 03:55 PM #96

You know your a bill self disciple when you get more excited for plays like Adams made with the effort on the ground to get the possession. That was awesome

Nov 24, 2022 03:55 PM #97

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@Kcmatt7 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

KJ is just such a nuisance lol. Plays so hard.

Just wish he could rebound worth a damn.

Actually, he has 5 in the 1st half, which if he could do that consistently would be okay...

Nov 24, 2022 03:55 PM #98

Like yesterday, Bobbie is playing a lot of minutes but not doing much. He hasn't taken a shot yet.

Nov 24, 2022 03:55 PM #99

The rotation today had been nice

Nov 24, 2022 03:56 PM #100

@Crimsonorblue22 He's doing well thanks for asking!! Can't believe he's already 7. How's everything with you?

Nov 24, 2022 03:57 PM #101

Wow Gradey Dick!

Nov 24, 2022 03:57 PM #102

33-20. I'll take that.

Nov 24, 2022 03:58 PM #103

@DCHawker said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@Kcmatt7 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

KJ is just such a nuisance lol. Plays so hard.

Just wish he could rebound worth a damn.

Actually, he has 5 in the 1st half, which if he could do that consistently would be okay...

Only 2 on defense which is the problem. He is the worst defensive rebounding big man I've ever seen. He sucks at getting defensive rebounds against good and/or P5 teams.

Nov 24, 2022 04:00 PM #104

Good game for Zach to get some run in. @focojayhawk and @wissox were unsurprisingly correct about Wisconsin's athleticism level.

Nov 24, 2022 04:01 PM #105

Earned my right to pig out today by running a 10K before the game. I won't share my time out of sheer and utter dismay, but lets just say a legless turtle might have run faster.

Nov 24, 2022 04:01 PM #106

@Texas-Hawk-10 Yep this is his big weakness and it will bite us at times. He is a 6'6'' center and his arms are not exactly long either.

Nov 24, 2022 04:02 PM #107

Credit to Wiscy coach for recruiting talent with this style of BB.

Nov 24, 2022 04:03 PM #108

I dreamed that I couldn't stand to watch Wisconsin live and thenwatch the highlights but ESPN said there weren't any.

Nov 24, 2022 04:04 PM #109

@wissox I was just informed I haven’t walked 10,000 steps this week. Gotta love Apple Watch. (I’m not really that lazy I had my knee worked on on Thursday).

Nov 24, 2022 04:04 PM #110

@dylans

Get well soon!

Nov 24, 2022 04:04 PM #111

@Zabudda Thanks!

Nov 24, 2022 04:05 PM #112

Believe it or not there is a certain beauty to Wisconsin basketball. I love watching their D stymie opponents into frustration. They usually have enough offense to overcome it and even this year their O has done so. But it is tough to watch at times.

Nov 24, 2022 04:05 PM #113

@wissox If KU played that way I’d say it’s an acquired taste. Just different than most are used too with all o

Nov 24, 2022 04:08 PM #114

Badgers have scored 63 points in their last three halves! @Dylans. It was. With Dick Bennett it was a lot like watching today. Remember the final four in 2000 when MSU was beating them 21-19 at the half and Roy Williams said they were setting basketball back? But the Bo Ryan era there was always the swing offense and it worked well enough to make it watchable.

Nov 24, 2022 04:09 PM #115

I'm trying to think of a KU equivalent here...you guys can help me. Wisconsin has a few guys that were expected to take the next step but just haven't. That is part of the reason their offense is as bad as it is this season. Any recent examples for KU? Eric Chenowith was one I thought of. Others?

Nov 24, 2022 04:10 PM #116

Wiscy D is certainly top notch, very well disciplined.

Nov 24, 2022 04:11 PM #117

Was the 20 point half self inflicted? I apologize ahead of time,

Nov 24, 2022 04:11 PM #118

@stoptheflop said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

Like yesterday, Bobbie is playing a lot of minutes but not doing much. He hasn't taken a shot yet.

Has a pair of good assists so far. Ball slipped out his hands on a 3 he was going to take

Nov 24, 2022 04:13 PM #119

I love Kevin but my wife says no!

Nov 24, 2022 04:14 PM #120

Yes!!!

Nov 24, 2022 04:14 PM #121

Wow bad double by wisky big. Soft as a pillow.

Nov 24, 2022 04:15 PM #122

5 second call?

Nov 24, 2022 04:16 PM #123

Lets go Badgers, make a game out of it at least. I don't want everyone at the Buckets thinking I'm a fool for bragging about you all these years.

Nov 24, 2022 04:16 PM #124

Sloppy start to the 2nd half - 2 bad TOs by JW...

Nov 24, 2022 04:18 PM #125

@wissox remember back when our team coudlnt pass the ball directly to people to save their life? Dajuan just drops it right in the shooters pocket. Sweet. Makes mccullar and wilson better shooters

Nov 24, 2022 04:21 PM #126

KU needs a 4th consistent scorer.

Nov 24, 2022 04:23 PM #127

EL KABONG!

Nov 24, 2022 04:24 PM #128

Bull crap call on jalen

Nov 24, 2022 04:25 PM #129

@stoptheflop maybe bill agrees. Zach Clemence sighting

Nov 24, 2022 04:25 PM #130

did juando even touch the guy?

Nov 24, 2022 04:25 PM #131

Nope this is getting ridiculous again

Nov 24, 2022 04:26 PM #132

Jalen is such a beast

Nov 24, 2022 04:27 PM #133

That should be a charge on wilson

Nov 24, 2022 04:27 PM #134

Nope

Nov 24, 2022 04:28 PM #135

Got bailed out there - bad pass by Zach...

Nov 24, 2022 04:29 PM #136

Need to post Gradey on the smaller guard...

Nov 24, 2022 04:29 PM #137

good lord, get Gradey a touch

Nov 24, 2022 04:29 PM #138

Wow this is redic

Nov 24, 2022 04:29 PM #139

I think Harris is rested by now, Bill

Nov 24, 2022 04:30 PM #140

we're all launching 3s except gradey...geez...

Nov 24, 2022 04:30 PM #141

15 point lead disappeared pretty quickly...

Nov 24, 2022 04:31 PM #142

get juan in the game

Nov 24, 2022 04:31 PM #143

dynamic guard duo right there

Nov 24, 2022 04:31 PM #144

Can't even get a entry pass. So stupid

Nov 24, 2022 04:31 PM #145

Wow what a meltdown

Nov 24, 2022 04:31 PM #146

This stretch highlights why Juan is so important to the team...

Nov 24, 2022 04:32 PM #147

Boy we looking good now huh ?- -- sloppy , sloppy , sloppy

Nov 24, 2022 04:33 PM #148

I don't know how Self can light a fire under Bobby and Joe's asses, but those two are WAY too passive

Nov 24, 2022 04:33 PM #149

15 point lead against a low scoring opponent- its academic. Just run clock the game is over. Or if you like a challenge jack shots up quickly….

Nov 24, 2022 04:33 PM #150

We relaxed as they count on that in each game.

Nov 24, 2022 04:34 PM #151

Zero bench points. Bobby has been on the floor for a lot of minutes, but not a single shot attempt.
Zero points from Gradey and Kevin this half...

Nov 24, 2022 04:34 PM #152

once again, playing down to our competition. sloppy, sloppy...

Nov 24, 2022 04:34 PM #153

I thought Kev hit a three?

Nov 24, 2022 04:35 PM #154

No-sefu more like it.

Nov 24, 2022 04:35 PM #155

jesus, get him out

Nov 24, 2022 04:35 PM #156

get joe out...

Nov 24, 2022 04:35 PM #157

Good grief joe

Nov 24, 2022 04:36 PM #158

Easy layup blown

Nov 24, 2022 04:36 PM #159

Someone PLEASE tell my the hell these guys are doing ? - -cause it looks like one big Cluster F - - - to me

Nov 24, 2022 04:36 PM #160

You can see Joe's frustration, but it's just making him play worse

Nov 24, 2022 04:36 PM #161

Yesefu is a net negative for the team..

Nov 24, 2022 04:37 PM #162

@DanR said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

You can see Joe's frustration, but it's just making him play worse

So if that's what it's doing then sit his ass down

Nov 24, 2022 04:40 PM #163

Inexcusable to miss both

Nov 24, 2022 04:40 PM #164

Dajuan

Nov 24, 2022 04:40 PM #165

wilson needs a break too

Nov 24, 2022 04:41 PM #166

way to use all the rim and the backboard, KJ

Nov 24, 2022 04:42 PM #167

Yes

Nov 24, 2022 04:42 PM #168

get the ball to DICK

Nov 24, 2022 04:42 PM #169

Wow E33Egian. He's the Badgers Gradey Dick...kind of.

Nov 24, 2022 04:43 PM #170

Keep missing Jalen unreal killing us

Nov 24, 2022 04:44 PM #171

Wisc already has more points than they scored all 1st half.

Nov 24, 2022 04:45 PM #172

Unreal

Nov 24, 2022 04:45 PM #173

Missed FT's have fueled this run.

Nov 24, 2022 04:46 PM #174

Playing offense with only 4 players isn't helping either

Nov 24, 2022 04:47 PM #175

@wissox said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

Missed FT's have fueled this run.

JW and KJ are the only two who have FT attempts. Gradey and Kevin way too passive right now...Still ZERO points between them this half...

Nov 24, 2022 04:47 PM #176

Wilson being The man. Gradey Shut down by their D. Wilson using that to get close in shots.

Nov 24, 2022 04:49 PM #177

This is so bizarre because I'm really enjoying this segment of the game. I still want KU but feel a little guilty cheering on the Badgers run.

Nov 24, 2022 04:50 PM #178

Gradey getting schooled on D,

Nov 24, 2022 04:51 PM #179

I can’t believe KU is playing so poorly against these scrubs. Not a single guy would get minutes for KU. Lack of bbiq and hustle is disheartening.

Nov 24, 2022 04:52 PM #180

This is going to be a very familer scene if we can't find somebody beside Jalen if Grady vanishes - we have just got to get somebody that can score

Nov 24, 2022 04:52 PM #181

We have no one looking to score the ball other than JW...

Nov 24, 2022 04:52 PM #182

We just don’t have anyone who can score in the lane besides Jalen. Have to get Udeh up to speed.

Nov 24, 2022 04:53 PM #183

Got lucky there - blew by Joe...

Nov 24, 2022 04:54 PM #184

Jalen frickin Wilson. Just does not want to lose

Nov 24, 2022 04:54 PM #185

Our O comes from our D which is lousy.

Nov 24, 2022 04:54 PM #186

Jalen pacing to be NPOY the way he’s playing

Nov 24, 2022 04:55 PM #187

We gotta make throws

Nov 24, 2022 04:55 PM #188

FTs killing us...

Nov 24, 2022 04:55 PM #189

Can't make a ft

Nov 24, 2022 04:56 PM #190

post Kev up more!

Nov 24, 2022 04:56 PM #191

Foul much

Nov 24, 2022 04:57 PM #192

I know early on this year I questioned the depth of the Jayhawks. Some brushed it off but I stand by my comment.

Nov 24, 2022 04:57 PM #193

Well, I gotta do some turkey chores... Rock Chalk and Happy Thanksgiving to you all!

Nov 24, 2022 04:57 PM #194

Another bail out - bad pass by JW

Nov 24, 2022 04:57 PM #195

@DanR šŸ’Ŗ

Nov 24, 2022 04:58 PM #196

Bobby with a good rip there

Nov 24, 2022 04:59 PM #197

Big time shot

Nov 24, 2022 04:59 PM #198

Nice!!!!

Nov 24, 2022 04:59 PM #199

What a pass

Nov 24, 2022 04:59 PM #200

@BeddieKU23 big time dime

Nov 24, 2022 05:00 PM #201

Kevin not gonna let a miss or 5 get in the way of letting it fly! Wish Gradey got more shots off today.

Nov 24, 2022 05:00 PM #202

Now, take away the 3 pt shot and make them work for 2 pt shots. And, no quick shots on our end...

Nov 24, 2022 05:00 PM #203

Just Huge Kevin

Nov 24, 2022 05:01 PM #204

Dajuan is so clinical with the drives and kicks. Future coach there once he learns how to communicate clearly without fidgeting

Nov 24, 2022 05:01 PM #205

Popping in to say I will have Juan’s babies

Nov 24, 2022 05:01 PM #206

Great D by Bobby last time around.

Nov 24, 2022 05:01 PM #207

Wisconsin with 20 bench pts, KU 0. OUCH

Nov 24, 2022 05:03 PM #208

@stoptheflop Need to put Gradey on the bench to get the bench scoring up.

Nov 24, 2022 05:04 PM #209

Redic

Nov 24, 2022 05:04 PM #210

Straight up by KJ wheres the foul

Nov 24, 2022 05:04 PM #211

@approxinfinity said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

Straight up by KJ wheres the foul

None

Nov 24, 2022 05:05 PM #212

Box out please. Just learn how to box out.

Nov 24, 2022 05:05 PM #213

Meltdown the last 2 minutes...

Nov 24, 2022 05:05 PM #214

Choke city

Nov 24, 2022 05:05 PM #215

Bad call off red foot

Nov 24, 2022 05:06 PM #216

Bullshit

Nov 24, 2022 05:06 PM #217

Houston we have a PROBLEM

Nov 24, 2022 05:07 PM #218

Give Wisconsin and Gard credit - running iso plays very effectively...

Nov 24, 2022 05:07 PM #219

Let this team hang around, second unit gave us nothing, amd we couldnt make free throws . Can still pull it out

Nov 24, 2022 05:07 PM #220

tHERE IS NO WAY WE SHOULD BE IN THIS POSITION, BUT WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE 4 PLAYERS THAT CAN GET ANY POINTS IN A GME FOR YOU - -OYU IN BIG TIME TORUBLE

Nov 24, 2022 05:08 PM #221

Went right at Gradey and he didn't get a touch on last possession.

Nov 24, 2022 05:08 PM #222

Gradey Dick time

Nov 24, 2022 05:09 PM #223

Glad he didn’t switch them around Dick in The slot is risky phrasing

Nov 24, 2022 05:09 PM #224

How do you miss that

Nov 24, 2022 05:09 PM #225

What chokers

Nov 24, 2022 05:10 PM #226

Ugly game. Don’t know what you learn here other than KU isn’t a finished product and has zero post presence.

Nov 24, 2022 05:11 PM #227

Kevin Mccullar ready when called!

Nov 24, 2022 05:11 PM #228

OT

Nov 24, 2022 05:11 PM #229

OMg McCullar

Nov 24, 2022 05:11 PM #230

So damn lucky to be going to OT.

Nov 24, 2022 05:11 PM #231

My bet is still alive!!

Nov 24, 2022 05:11 PM #232

Big pass by zach

Nov 24, 2022 05:11 PM #233

Lets execute and put this game away!

Nov 24, 2022 05:11 PM #234

This is a dream come true!

Nov 24, 2022 05:12 PM #235

Let's turn this around and use that momentum

Nov 24, 2022 05:12 PM #236

@BeddieKU23 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

Big pass by zach

Better save from his almost airball shot

Nov 24, 2022 05:13 PM #237

Bill tryin not to mess up Norm’s spotless record.

Nov 24, 2022 05:13 PM #238

Zachs reward: start OT. I like it. Show em zach.

Nov 24, 2022 05:14 PM #239

Good d Wilson

Nov 24, 2022 05:15 PM #240

No Zuby or Udeh at all today?

Nov 24, 2022 05:16 PM #241

Zach needs to see one fall

Nov 24, 2022 05:16 PM #242

Lazy roll by zach. Needs to cut harder

Nov 24, 2022 05:16 PM #243

Zach needs to learn how to play the post. No rebounding

Nov 24, 2022 05:17 PM #244

@Kcmatt7 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

Zach needs to see one fall

It's unreal how he hasn't made one

Nov 24, 2022 05:17 PM #245

Tired Five - -that's all we can trust to play - we have to get some others to produce

Nov 24, 2022 05:18 PM #246

When Gradey passes it throw it right back to him and pop.

Nov 24, 2022 05:19 PM #247

KU has 3.5 ballers. Need the switch to fully switch on for Dick and a (taller) post to step up. Gonna be a bumpy fun ride.

Nov 24, 2022 05:19 PM #248

Wtf is that call

Nov 24, 2022 05:19 PM #249

@BeddieKU23 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

Wtf is that call

Gotta box out to keep others out of a bad spot.

Nov 24, 2022 05:20 PM #250

@Texas-Hawk-10 yeah Dajuan leaked out immediately

Nov 24, 2022 05:22 PM #251

WTF was that Juan???

Nov 24, 2022 05:22 PM #252

WTF!

Nov 24, 2022 05:23 PM #253

Wow Harris look

Nov 24, 2022 05:23 PM #254

Dajuan seems gased. Bad OT

Nov 24, 2022 05:23 PM #255

4th to of the game

Nov 24, 2022 05:23 PM #256

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Nov 24, 2022 05:24 PM #257

Harris costing KU right now. Failure to box out resulting in McCullar fouling out, this turnover because of laziness/exhaustion.

Nov 24, 2022 05:24 PM #258

Seriously, we have no scoring option other than JW trying force one against tough coverage...

Nov 24, 2022 05:25 PM #259

Sure

Nov 24, 2022 05:25 PM #260

Sic ā€˜em Wilson.

Nov 24, 2022 05:25 PM #261

Late weak help from Bobby...

Nov 24, 2022 05:26 PM #262

Bobby!

Nov 24, 2022 05:27 PM #263

Over

Nov 24, 2022 05:27 PM #264

Lol

Nov 24, 2022 05:27 PM #265

LMAO

Nov 24, 2022 05:27 PM #266

Wow wow

Nov 24, 2022 05:27 PM #267

PETTIFORD JUST STOLE THAT GAME FOR KU!

Nov 24, 2022 05:27 PM #268

BOBBY WE LOVE YOU. We didn’t deserve that win at all but love it

Nov 24, 2022 05:27 PM #269

BOOBBY FN P

Nov 24, 2022 05:27 PM #270

Formula for playing us is put a guard on Gradey and play us 4 on 4 an go inside over and over.

Nov 24, 2022 05:28 PM #271

Wow... just wow..

Nov 24, 2022 05:28 PM #272

Bobby! Bobby! Bobby! Bobby!

Nov 24, 2022 05:28 PM #273

eh...we'll take the W....lolol

Nov 24, 2022 05:28 PM #274

Wonderful thank you =. Phog went to the Bahamas.

Nov 24, 2022 05:28 PM #275

OMG , OMG BOBBY- - NO YOU DIDN'T - - -BOBBY , BOBBY

Nov 24, 2022 05:29 PM #276

Just win baby.

Nov 24, 2022 05:30 PM #277

Better lucky than good sometimes and KU was lucky today.

Nov 24, 2022 05:30 PM #278

Some how we STILL have the Nations longest winning streak lol

Nov 24, 2022 05:30 PM #279

That was excellent Wisconsin defense on the drive by Wilson. I like the help defense for the spin back to the center - nearly stole the ball.

Nov 24, 2022 05:40 PM #280

Weird, both teams ended the game 24/62, 38.7% from the field. I guess that's why it was such a close game. Really disappointed with our guys. But, we got the W (sure doesn't fell like a win, thought).

Nov 24, 2022 05:50 PM #281

@stoptheflop nice. We shot 10 more 3s.

Nov 24, 2022 05:54 PM #282

It seems rebounding by the offensive team after a missed 3 isn't important to today's players. The focus seems to be on getting back on defense. As soon as the 3 ball is launched, most offensive players including the shooter are headed down court to defend.

Nov 24, 2022 06:05 PM #283

@stoptheflop said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

Weird, both teams ended the game 24/62, 38.7% from the field. I guess that's why it was such a close game. Really disappointed with our guys. But, we got the W (sure doesn't fell like a win, thought).

Even good teams have days like these. The thing is good teams find a way to win - ugly sure, but we will take the win and move on

Nov 24, 2022 06:05 PM #284

Zach needs more minutes. He actually made a post move and shot a little hook. If one three drops the bucket will look bigger

Juan needs to shoot the three more. Hit one in the first half but never even looked at the rim again. Had a great play when it was 2 on 1 and he was on D

Gradey needs more shots and the seniors need to get it to him. Jalen drove late second half and didn’t even look to kick it to a wide open Gradey.

This isn’t the ochai type led team it is the I want to show the nba what I got team

Nov 24, 2022 06:05 PM #285

@jayballer67 we’ve had this our last 4 games. It is who we are not some anomaly

Nov 24, 2022 06:06 PM #286

@kuballin10 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@jayballer67 we’ve had this our last 4 games. It is who we are not some anomaly

Again Good times find a way to win - -separates good from average

Nov 24, 2022 06:12 PM #287

I know this even though we won we better find some other people that can play and score other then our starting four. - -Yesufu needs to sit. - -he is terrible. Zach can understand a little lots of rust , WE need MJ to produce - -but you can't produce if you can't get on the floor - We need Bobby more , gonna take time for Udeh - -& Zuby and I do believe on down the road this year they will be better.

They were talking the thing today was they didn't see the floor was match up -just bad match ups - -GOT to get more point production , you saw today get a guard on Brady - lock him don - -KJ no threat - -then you have -- 3 on 5 - - therre is no way Jalen can be the man every game. Thank GOD Kevin stayed with it , can't expect that many from him every game just not that type of guy.

Nov 24, 2022 06:18 PM #288

Did I miss anything?

Nov 24, 2022 07:01 PM #289

@DanR Basically no

Nov 24, 2022 07:02 PM #290

@kuballin10 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

Zach needs more minutes. He actually made a post move and shot a little hook. If one three drops the bucket will look bigger

After today I'm fine if he transfers at semester. Play Zuby more.

More or less agree with the rest. Wisconsin schemed Gradey out of the game but we could have also done a better job to involve him.

Nov 24, 2022 07:40 PM #291

@BShark Hard disagree. Zach is the only big with any offensive game. Getting him going and being serviceable is hugely important to the long term success of this team. Teams already know KJ, Udeh, and Zuby pose zero risk on offense other than catching lobs and that results in defenses packing the paint and making it much harder for our guards and wings to drive. Zach is the one who can open that up for everyone else because if he starts making some outside shots, he has to be guarded out there resulting in either a mismatch somewhere to be exploited or lanes open for Wilson, Harris, and Dick to drive and get to the FT line more.

Nov 24, 2022 08:39 PM #292

@BShark he’s literally the only guy in 5 games to make a post move and get a shot up.

He needs to be the guy.

I wanted Zuby and Udeh but they can’t catch lobs, can’t finish around the rim and are atrocious defensively. When they go to block shots they fly out of bounds and give up put backs. I want them but they aren’t ready

Joe needs to sit and Bobby granted he saved us is awful. Dude didn’t get to the paint anytime and didn’t even look at the rim when he had the ball.

Bill has to play Gradey even if he’s a defensive liability because the Wilson - McCullar show won’t win anything worthwhile. Gradey needs to take his lumps defensively and respond when it’s his turn.

Gradey half the time doesn’t even touch the ball when on the offensive side due to the two guys trying to impress nba scouts. Jalen is a grown man but for us to take the next step he needs to admit he can drive draw three guys and kick out for a trey.

Offensively we are a joke if we played zags, Texas, unc we’d get beat handily (and yes, I watched Portland they have shooters). Would have been nice to have Nance as our 5 man.

Nov 24, 2022 08:41 PM #293

@Texas-Hawk-10 Harris needs to learn to draw contact. He drove and missed some of his running one handers but at least he attacked.

Gradey needs to just touch the ball more.

Zach is the play he’s looked awful until today he looked better.

Kj is unstoppable if he just drove hard right like Wilson did all last year. He literally could score 10 a game catch it at top of the key or elbow and blow by his guy because his first step is quick. He blocks shots and contests because he has a Quick first leap.

Nov 24, 2022 08:57 PM #294

I like the idea of Zach but he needs to actually produce something. We have to start getting something from the bench but especially the 5 spot.

If you take out last year from the equation on Kenpom well

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Nov 24, 2022 09:04 PM #295

@BShark said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

I like the idea of Zach but he needs to actually produce something. We have to start getting something from the bench but especially the 5 spot.

If you take out last year from the equation on Kenpom well

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Zach is the one who provides the most overall upside at the 5 spot. The light won't come on for him sitting on the bench not playing. We saw last year that he has a toughness to him and can rebound.

Nov 24, 2022 09:18 PM #296

I hope he can turn it around. Honestly if he could get good enough to start that would be ideal.

Nov 24, 2022 09:54 PM #297

@Texas-Hawk-10

I still see what you see with Zach... just hope he gets enough PT to work it out.

His biggest pluses to me is his court awareness, foot speed, and passing. Maybe the trey gets worked out, too... but if he can provide these other things it will be a huge plus.

I do think he has potential to be a decent defender and rebounder, too. Basketball IQ!

Nov 24, 2022 10:00 PM #298

@Texas-Hawk-10 exactly - Bill is all about practice and some guys aren’t great in practice. I’d rather have a guy who when the lights come on produces. Can’t find that out with Bill’s methods which is wrong.

You can practice until the cows come home but when it’s a real game things are completely different

Nov 24, 2022 11:35 PM #299

The good - we won a game we really didn't deserve to. We've given 3 teams their only loss. JW is doing all he can to carry the team. The not so good - we thought the strength of this team was its depth. Against 2 Power 5 schools, the bench has been atrocious. 2 points - and that on a wing and a prayer - in 44 minutes. Not contributing much of anything else. Sadly, Joe has been awful. It means the starters are having to play 35 minutes plus. That isn't sustainable. Our entire offense in the 2nd half was Kevin and JW basically drawing fouls. I admire the boys grit and fight, but giving up 43 in a half to a team that only scored that amount in the game the night to Dayton isn't a recipe for sustained success.

Nov 25, 2022 12:12 AM #300

Im excited to see couple more years of KJ and what his ceiling is. Been impressed with a lot of things he’s done.

Nov 25, 2022 12:12 AM #301

I can’t believe how poor JYs play has been, his confidence is shaken up. We need him to get in the groove.

Nov 25, 2022 01:25 AM #302

Here's what I wrote on Buckys5thquarter last night:

"Wisconsin will neutralize Gradey Dick I think but he has a super quick trigger which led to 6 first half 3's today. KU has no superskilled inside bigs right now. Jalen Wilson is a slasher type that works super hard on rebounds and he'll need to be kept off the glass. The point guard Harris is super tough, rarely turns it over, takes charges, steals the ball, a real disrupter. But not a real deep squad and adjusting to 3 great players leaving. I think it will be closer than people think."

How'd I do in my prediction?

Nov 25, 2022 01:32 AM #303

@wissox well done, Benedict! ;)

Nov 25, 2022 01:44 AM #304

@approxinfinity was wondering if my membership as a charter member of the Bucket would have been revoked, or is the board still meeting on that issue?

Nov 25, 2022 02:18 AM #305

@wissox

I'm sure today was probably one of your favorite games ever

Nov 25, 2022 02:18 AM #306

Some Badger fans are talking about Clemence was touching when he passed out to McCullers for the tying 3.

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Nov 25, 2022 02:19 AM #307

@wissox In real time it looked like he passed before touching.

Nov 25, 2022 02:21 AM #308

@wissox it was a solid assessment. Gard had a good plan for us for sure.

Nov 25, 2022 02:47 AM #309

@BeddieKU23 It really delivered. I didn't want the Badgers to be embarrassed. I wanted KU to win but would've been happy for a big win for UW. Badger fans by and large expected to get rocked so they're quite content actually. Maybe relief because they scored 43 in the 2nd half (same as the previous game total!) rediscovering some offense.

Putting the KU hat back on FT shooting and some bad turnovers really fueled the comeback. I'm not sure why Zuby and Udeh didn't play. Maybe Norm should be the head coach!

People on the other side were complaining about the two flop calls against UW but thought Jalen should have been whistled for it when Wahl drove on him late in the game. I told them Bill Self would have killed Jalen if he had tried to flop to draw a charge and instead just gave up an easy layup like that, especially in crunch time. I think Jalen got his feet tangled.

As for the two Wisconsin flops it's a really dumb rule. Tell the refs not to reward flops by calling fouls when a kid flops. If a kid wants to look dumb and fall while shooting a three then let him look dumb.

Really looking forward to tomorrow night. Should be a fun game and KU should prevail over Rocky Top by a few.

Nov 25, 2022 03:44 AM #310

I'm sure glad we won, but take no pleasure in beating Wisconsin. I've always been a Packer fan and had some of my best times with people from this great state and also Minnesota.

Now about the game... we are all about Dajuan running the show and when things aren't going smoothly, we look mediocre. Two elements are key for this team; defense, and passing. We were lucky that we had just enough to pull this one out. Our defense leads to offense, and our passes can make us look like the best team in the nation. UW played tenacious defense and put some struggle into our passing so we often flipped to individuals, like JWil, bailing us out of possessions.

This was a game that exposed GD. He has still soooo much to learn about basketball, even though he truly is amazing as a freshman. He's going to have to learn to shake his man to create distance to get his shot off. Right now, he vanishes in some games because he doesn't quite know what to do. But he is very intelligent.... give him time.

Kevin... please... please stop taking treys early in games. lol Let the flow develop before you start pumping treys.

Self is smiling now. This is a game we are fortunate enough to win, while Coach has plenty of ammunition for practice to wake up these guys and teach them more. Our offense is still very much undeveloped. The lobs just aren't there yet and we keep forcing them and creating TOs. Lots of missed timing, miscommunication, and just lack of team flow. But heck... it's just November! Aren't we all expecting too much too early? I'm impressed that we are still undefeated and we are the #1 targeted team in the nation since we are still National Champions until the next one is named... preferably us again!

Of course our bench looks like crap... and it will until we develop more defined roles for players, including bench players.

I was glad to see Zach's number get called again and hope he gets more reps. I don't think him bombing treys will be our salvation this year... but his other gifts can certainly be a part of building us into a very unique, difficult team to play by March!

Shout out to Bobby! I was just stating how important he will be to this team and he just earned some gravy points! Bravo!

Have to admit... I'll be shocked if we win this Bahama tournament. I wasn't expecting it.

Double thumbs up for KJ! Those two court dives were monumental and he is fighting hard to earn that 5 spot. All the other bigs will have to fight him for those minutes... good luck fellas... gonna need it! I'm starting to see a permanent role for KJ on this team involving plenty of PT.

Statistics can be misleading.... look at the +/- line. Our big + player was Joseph. And JWil was a negative.

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My heart is with these people!

Nov 25, 2022 05:42 AM #311

Whew! Man, too close for comfort.

I’d like to compare KU to the Golden State Warriors for a second, with a grain of salt of course.

They each have the same problem: no reliable bench players at the moment.

And that’s totally weird to say given we all think KU has amazing depth.

So, like others have said, somebody has to step up with some bench scoring! MJ, where you at?

I think just about everybody was tired today with the back to backs. Dajuan in particular.

Bobby: thanks a million for saving the day!

Nov 25, 2022 05:49 AM #312

@jayballer67 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

I know this even though we won we better find some other people that can play and score other then our starting four. - -Yesufu needs to sit. - -he is terrible. Zach can understand a little lots of rust , WE need MJ to produce - -but you can't produce if you can't get on the floor - We need Bobby more , gonna take time for Udeh - -& Zuby and I do believe on down the road this year they will be better.

Yea, I’ve said this before, but Joe just isn’t working out or fitting in. Bummer. Maybe Self hasn’t broken him down enough yet to build him up into something. I sure hope he turns it around soon. We need some offense off the bench.

Nov 25, 2022 05:56 AM #313

@Eric-san said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

Please no alley oop attempts today

I think the alley oop is pretty much the only way our bigs are going to score. So, I see that sticking around until Udeh and Co. mature into post threats.

Nov 25, 2022 11:40 AM #314

@wissox said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@BeddieKU23 It really delivered. I didn't want the Badgers to be embarrassed. I wanted KU to win but would've been happy for a big win for UW. Badger fans by and large expected to get rocked so they're quite content actually. Maybe relief because they scored 43 in the 2nd half (same as the previous game total!) rediscovering some offense.

Putting the KU hat back on FT shooting and some bad turnovers really fueled the comeback. I'm not sure why Zuby and Udeh didn't play. Maybe Norm should be the head coach!

People on the other side were complaining about the two flop calls against UW but thought Jalen should have been whistled for it when Wahl drove on him late in the game. I told them Bill Self would have killed Jalen if he had tried to flop to draw a charge and instead just gave up an easy layup like that, especially in crunch time. I think Jalen got his feet tangled.

As for the two Wisconsin flops it's a really dumb rule. Tell the refs not to reward flops by calling fouls when a kid flops. If a kid wants to look dumb and fall while shooting a three then let him look dumb.

Really looking forward to tomorrow night. Should be a fun game and KU should prevail over Rocky Top by a few.

Wisconsin fans should be happy KU fell apart and they took advantage of that. Some of it was just shot making which Wisconsin does have, just not consistent but a majority of their offense came off some really poor offense from KU. Kudos to them for fighting all the way to the end.

On the replay shown of that layup where Jalen fell, it looked like he slipped and Wahl used his leverage to get him to go down as he was slipping because one of Jalens legs folds as he falls, there was no flop there but seeing it live I could see where it would be questioned since that's a popular spot to sell a foul. At first I thought it was a foul on Wahl because Jalen is not going down without someone drilling him. We saw Jalen stood up a driver several times in this game, he is no flopper. Bobby also made a really poor dig and help attempt there. Good thing he made up for it.

I get the frustration over the flop calls but they were both correct. Both were blatant attempts to sell a foul that didn't occur, both had the opportunity to land on their feet and instead chose to fall. Great to see the emphasis on this but it's going to take time for players to adjust to bad habits and I'm sure KU will be on the receiving end of a few. I expect the rule to be overcalled since it's something we are clearly seeing as a point of emphasis.

Nov 25, 2022 11:51 AM #315

Watching replay, big thing noticed is how Self abandoned a lot of motion sets to get the ball moving side to side. He was forced to play starters too many minutes and they were gassed. He let Jalen be the guy that got the ball in position to score on almost every possession. This was all Self. It worked out but we sacrificed a lot in that 2nd half/OT because his bench wasn't reliable. I think Wisconsin did a great job in their defensive scheme limiting easy ball movement and how they guarded Dick was another noticeable adjustment. They were also double and trippling Jalen at times. All wrinkles we have to be prepared to see from other teams.

It was noticeable how the crowd was impacting KU when they cut the lead to a 1 possession game. Some noticeable frustration from even Juan out there. He was clearly upset about how Wisconsin got back into this game. The refs made sure of that when calling him for multiple phantom fouls

Very concerned tonight about starters getting gassed tonight. This game is really going to need the bench to produce something. Tennessee has the 2nd ranked defense

Nov 25, 2022 12:09 PM #316

@BeddieKU23 We haven't come close to playing a good game yet. I hope this isn't going to be Lump City tonite.

Nov 25, 2022 12:45 PM #317

@BeddieKU23 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

Watching replay, big thing noticed is how Self abandoned a lot of motion sets to get the ball moving side to side. He was forced to play starters too many minutes and they were gassed. He let Jalen be the guy that got the ball in position to score on almost every possession. This was all Self. It worked out but we sacrificed a lot in that 2nd half/OT because his bench wasn't reliable. I think Wisconsin did a great job in their defensive scheme limiting easy ball movement and how they guarded Dick was another noticeable adjustment. They were also double and trippling Jalen at times. All wrinkles we have to be prepared to see from other teams.

It was noticeable how the crowd was impacting KU when they cut the lead to a 1 possession game. Some noticeable frustration from even Juan out there. He was clearly upset about how Wisconsin got back into this game. The refs made sure of that when calling him for multiple phantom fouls

Very concerned tonight about starters getting gassed tonight. This game is really going to need the bench to produce something. Tennessee has the 2nd ranked defense

I was really surpised that our freshmen bigs didn't get a few minutes each aginst Wisc. We need our bigs against Tenessee since it plays a couple of seven footer guys. I just can't see KJ being able to defend the Tenessee bigs.

Nov 25, 2022 12:45 PM #318

@BeddieKU23 Part of it with the guys being tired is back to back games but we are going to have to get something out of the bench eventually.

Nov 25, 2022 01:42 PM #319

That court was slick. They use the wrong cleansing/prep product on the floor. Hope no one gets hurt this evening.

Nov 25, 2022 01:44 PM #320

Haven't we played against a couple of 7 ft'ers somewhere before? Can Tennessee adjust to our speed?

Nov 25, 2022 01:44 PM #321

@stoptheflop

Maybe Self was saving them for the Vols. Maybe...

I'm not sure how effective they can be. The officiating has been weird. Not saying it has been against KU because we got some positive calls, too... but they've been calling weird fouls while missing others.

Nov 25, 2022 01:45 PM #322

Will be interesting to see if Self still has Rick Barnes number?

Nov 25, 2022 01:49 PM #323

@COHawk said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

Haven't we played against a couple of 7 ft'ers somewhere before? Can Tennessee adjust to our speed?

Yes, Duke had 5 guys 6'11" and taller. Even N. Dakota had taller centers than KU. So, we've done well against taller teams so far.

Nov 25, 2022 02:30 PM #324

I don't know the reasoning behind not playing either freshman big if you expect them to be a factor today. Those kids need game reps not bench time if they are going to factor into this team. Obviously self sent a message to them.

Nov 25, 2022 02:31 PM #325

@drgnslayr said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

That court was slick. They use the wrong cleansing/prep product on the floor. Hope no one gets hurt this evening.

Over the years that court has been known to be humid. Not a traditional venue at all

Nov 25, 2022 02:40 PM #326

@BeddieKU23 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@wissox said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@BeddieKU23 It really delivered. I didn't want the Badgers to be embarrassed. I wanted KU to win but would've been happy for a big win for UW. Badger fans by and large expected to get rocked so they're quite content actually. Maybe relief because they scored 43 in the 2nd half (same as the previous game total!) rediscovering some offense.

Putting the KU hat back on FT shooting and some bad turnovers really fueled the comeback. I'm not sure why Zuby and Udeh didn't play. Maybe Norm should be the head coach!

People on the other side were complaining about the two flop calls against UW but thought Jalen should have been whistled for it when Wahl drove on him late in the game. I told them Bill Self would have killed Jalen if he had tried to flop to draw a charge and instead just gave up an easy layup like that, especially in crunch time. I think Jalen got his feet tangled.

I get the frustration over the flop calls but they were both correct. Both were blatant attempts to sell a foul that didn't occur, both had the opportunity to land on their feet and instead chose to fall. Great to see the emphasis on this but it's going to take time for players to adjust to bad habits and I'm sure KU will be on the receiving end of a few. I expect the rule to be overcalled since it's something we are clearly seeing as a point of emphasis.

What do you think of the rule though? Now you're asking referees to in the moment interpret a kids intent. That's a lot to ask and it will hurt the kid who truly did fall through whatever reason other than trying to draw a foul.

Since the game was relatively high profile, those two boys may have earned a reputation as floppers and will not be given the benefit of the doubt in the future.

The flop rule was made because kids obviously have been trying to draw charges, or on the 3's like yesterday. It's almost like the NCAA decided to penalize kids for embarrassing referees who don't know how to make a call. Of course it's the NCAA so I put nothing past them to enact something stupid.

Nov 25, 2022 02:51 PM #327

@wissox

I'm fine with the rule but as with any emphasis, consistent application of the rule I think will suffer at times as we have often seen. It shouldn't have taken until 2022 to see this behavior being dealt with. So far I haven't seen it called with any real controversy or impact to the game. I'm waiting for when we have end of game situations where that rule will really become grey area.

Overall I think this is certainly another good rule emphasis after they have gone after shooters kicking the leg out to draw contact and have also dealt with defenders falling down in the post without contact. These are habits and coaching changes that must have happen for the better of the game

Nov 25, 2022 03:09 PM #328

The flop I despise the most is the 3 pt shooter who fakes being fouled knowing the outside ref is watching the shooters feet and can be fooled to think contact took place higher up the body. I also remember seeing 3 ball shooters pull the defender on top of them as they fall backwards. Something has to be done to stop the poor sportsmanship of floppin, so like the NBA did many years ago, now it's a technical foul.

Nov 25, 2022 04:44 PM #329

@stoptheflop Definitely have done so. Think too many worry about the other team without thinking about how they have to make adjustments to stop us. Also, we have rebounded pretty well so far.

Nov 25, 2022 05:07 PM #330

@BeddieKU23 It certainly was a difference maker. All things being equal, Wisconsin wins that game if they were playing under last years rules.

Nov 25, 2022 05:59 PM #331

@stoptheflop it’s why I can’t stand soccer.

USA vs Wales the Wales guys fall on the ground literally screaming in pain…yellow card comes out and all of the sudden the pop up and start running full speed.

If a guy hits you in the nose then fall over but the whole lebron flop crap is weak. You aren’t playing like a man trying to D up you are playing to persuade an official to give you a call.

I hate flopping in every sport

Nov 25, 2022 07:10 PM #332

@kuballin10 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

I hate flopping in every sport

It really sucks in tennis. Everyone does it in swimming, though. Quite counterproductive in hurdles.

Nov 25, 2022 08:12 PM #333

@wissox said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@BeddieKU23 It certainly was a difference maker. All things being equal, Wisconsin wins that game if they were playing under last years rules.

So it was the refs that won the game for us? lol...

Nov 25, 2022 08:22 PM #334

Imagine Marcus Smart playing D1 today? lol

Nov 25, 2022 09:03 PM #335

@Jethro said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@wissox said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@BeddieKU23 It certainly was a difference maker. All things being equal, Wisconsin wins that game if they were playing under last years rules.

So it was the refs that won the game for us? lol...

Noooooo , SURELY nobody was trying to say the Ref's influenced the outcome of the game . There isn't ANYTHING that would favor that type of thinking. - -Let's see For the game Wisconsin was called for 19 fouls- - ok KU was called for 18 fouls. - - -For the game Wisconsin was 12-19 from the line - - - Ku was 12-21 from the line - - So KU had TWO MORE ATTEMPTS - - two. - - Sook , let's look at this then - - for the game one way to look at it the Officals felt Wisconsin was guilty of making SIX turnovers - - Those same officials felt KU was guilty of THIRTEEN

So I know that there would be anyone here trying to say that the Officials influenced or cause Wisconsin the win

Nov 25, 2022 10:47 PM #336

@jayballer67 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@Jethro said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@wissox said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@BeddieKU23 It certainly was a difference maker. All things being equal, Wisconsin wins that game if they were playing under last years rules.

So it was the refs that won the game for us? lol...

Noooooo , SURELY nobody was trying to say the Ref's influenced the outcome of the game . There isn't ANYTHING that would favor that type of thinking. - -Let's see For the game Wisconsin was called for 19 fouls- - ok KU was called for 18 fouls. - - -For the game Wisconsin was 12-19 from the line - - - Ku was 12-21 from the line - - So KU had TWO MORE ATTEMPTS - - two. - - Sook , let's look at this then - - for the game one way to look at it the Officals felt Wisconsin was guilty of making SIX turnovers - - Those same officials felt KU was guilty of THIRTEEN

So I know that there would be anyone here trying to say that the Officials influenced or cause Wisconsin the win

He wasn't saying that. I was ribbing him.

Nov 25, 2022 10:58 PM #337

@Jethro said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@jayballer67 said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@Jethro said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@wissox said in 10am Start, Thurs WISCONSIN:

@BeddieKU23 It certainly was a difference maker. All things being equal, Wisconsin wins that game if they were playing under last years rules.

So it was the refs that won the game for us? lol...

Noooooo , SURELY nobody was trying to say the Ref's influenced the outcome of the game . There isn't ANYTHING that would favor that type of thinking. - -Let's see For the game Wisconsin was called for 19 fouls- - ok KU was called for 18 fouls. - - -For the game Wisconsin was 12-19 from the line - - - Ku was 12-21 from the line - - So KU had TWO MORE ATTEMPTS - - two. - - Sook , let's look at this then - - for the game one way to look at it the Officals felt Wisconsin was guilty of making SIX turnovers - - Those same officials felt KU was guilty of THIRTEEN

So I know that there would be anyone here trying to say that the Officials influenced or cause Wisconsin the win

He wasn't saying that. I was ribbing him.

I'm not talking anyone specif - - just saying cause I've heard it and it's comical -- Winners just win