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Old friend Ricky Barnes with a veteran squad. Talent wise they are not among his best groups but when you have basically 7 guys with a lot of experience it makes for a difficult matchup

Game tip 730 EST

Vegas has Tennessee favored. Espn favors them in their predictive model.

@BeddieKU23 Yeah I think Tennessee will win. Hoping for a greasy KU win though.

TN will shut down Gradey and Wilson….going to be a long day for the Hawks and really need our other guys (I literally call them dribblers because they act as if no basket exists) to score

Nope our Jayhawks will rise to the challenge and whip Ole Ricky Barnes, just like when he coached at Tx.

I feel we play the way we are capable - -we win. - - better all the way across the board stat wise- - Tenn doesn't shoot the ball that well 39.9 % - shoots the 3 ball- -really bad 29.9 %.

Ku better on the boards right at 5 more per game- -Tenn turning the ball over more per game. - We play solid - WE WIN

@jayballer67 Gonna be a bad ball muddin game.

60-58, KU.

UT’s best player may play tonight had no clue he was out

72-67 UT

Ya'll must be high on tryptophan. We ain't losing to Rocky Top. We may not see it given the length of this game that's on right now, but we ain't losing.

App isn’t working or espnnews

Isu I was big on and they peaked in November of last year will wait this year but they look decent

Big 12 is loaded

Start you get when the other team actually makes shots…..gonna be a long night fellas

We appear to be playing poorly

They didn't show up. Pathetic opening

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

We appear to be playing poorly

That's an understatement

@BeddieKU23 again it’s nothing new same start every game due to the roster

@KirkIsMyHinrich nah this is legit competition like Duke

This is the roster

And all the predictors are gleefully announcing that we're losing by 8.

I'll admit it's an ugly start.

Get some aggression on the boards.

Not getting any prettier
The shooting guard on our team doesn’t shoot
The pg just turned it over
The 5 man can’t set a screen

Man good thing we won it all last year

You all need a Xanax?

We’ve scored on layups that’s it not one jumper

Any chance Elmarko, Chris and Jamari can enroll early????

@kuballin10 yes if you just play kids according to their HS ranking we go 40-0

Udeh a few games away from being a help,

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Not getting any prettier
The shooting guard on our team doesn’t shoot
The pg just turned it over
The 5 man can’t set a screen

Man good thing we won it all last year

Ya also I ran over your dog and your goldfish died.

Relax. We have a lot of new faces getting minutes this year.

Point blank - -this is not a 3rd ranked team in the Counttry

@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Point blank - -this is not a 3rd ranked team in the Counttry

Probably not, but who is? Not UNC, not UK, not Duke....

@KirkIsMyHinrich of the guys I referred to only 1 the five spot is new

Down goes pettiford

Cramp?

Put in mj get Juan back at the 1

@Crimsonorblue22 Looked more like a groin or hammy

Rice gonna have to get some PT?

Hey a foul finally
Jalen is a freaking hoss

@wissox said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Rice gonna have to get some PT?

I'm hoping...

Jimmy Dykes really loves Jalen's thighs

@DCHawker go look at Kenpom so far I’d agree with it even though it’s early

@KirkIsMyHinrich lol

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Jimmy Dykes really loves Jalen's thighs

You don’t???! Them things are sexy

Juan throwing lobs is awful put it at the rim dude

He was on the way down that ain’t a charge!!!!
Block and 1

Wait does Juan suck or did he get jobbed I can’t tell minute to minute

He’s just a 3 star

This should be an adventure without a real PG on the floor for KU.

Hey look a guard drove and scored

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@DCHawker go look at Kenpom so far I’d agree with it even though it’s early

You would agree that UK is #4 with 2 losses? That the Zags are top 3 losing by 19? Houston yes and Texas has earned it to now with the 19 point beat down of Gonzaga. But, who else???

That dude bailed us out by goal tending

Juan's second foul was not a good call

@FarmerJayhawk Juan is bills pet and completely over valued. Juan with scorers all around is perfect

Juan without scorers is rough unless he scores

I like Juan but new guys are bigger, stronger and faster plus they can score so I’ll be bias

@DCHawker zags would run us out of the gym just like Fort Myers a few years ago

They can hang 85-90 and we wouldn’t sniff 80 with this squad against a legit D1 team

Zags 19 point beatdown did you watch it? We’d lost by 25 like when we went down to Tech with the Lawson s.

That gym was rocking a completely perfect storm….no team had a chance that night and Texas didn’t miss much

@kuballin10 lol we scored 80 all of 48 hours ago

Gradey double pumped on the last real 3 point attempt and missed,

This team would be 3-3 without Juan. He might be the best player on the team.

For me, the question "how good do you think Harris is?" is a litmus test for how well you understand basketball...

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@DCHawker zags would run us out of the gym just like Fort Myers a few years ago

They can hang 85-90 and we wouldn’t sniff 80 with this squad against a legit D1 team

Zags 19 point beatdown did you watch it? We’d lost by 25 like when we went down to Tech with the Lawson s.

That gym was rocking a completely perfect storm….no team had a chance that night and Texas didn’t miss much

You are just trolling now...

@kuballin10 You're the one who was telling us last year Bill Self couldn't win another championship if memory serves correct so maybe your pronouncements of doom here are a bit premature. If you weren't the one, I apologize but if you were, well, I can't help but point out that you've been wrong in a major way. DeJuan is not Bills pet, he's an indispensable member of this team and we don't win a championship without him and we're maybe not even 6-0 right now without him.

@FarmerJayhawk nc state real solid (eye roll)

U guys don’t even bother to look at who we’ve played…it’s like nfl media heads with shock jock opinions not even bothering to see the Vikings are winning toss ups, Kirk cousins still sucks and the eagles have played no one. Like when the Steelers were 9-0 but everyone knew it was a joke

How many we score against Duke???

@KirkIsMyHinrich Juan this year is supposed to score per Bill…that is the litmus test

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@FarmerJayhawk nc state real solid (eye roll)

U guys don’t even bother to look at who we’ve played…it’s like nfl media heads with shock jock opinions not even bothering to see the Vikings are winning toss ups, Kirk cousins still sucks and the eagles have played no one. Like when the Steelers were 9-0 but everyone knew it was a joke

How many we score against Duke???

Again, you are trolling, which is fine, but let's recognize it as such. We've played 3 patsies and given the only loss to 3 other teams - one an early top 5 pick.

@kuballin10 you said legit D1 team. Own your words.

@wissox oh that was me. After the uk beatdown I said no way unless remy was the 2nd coming

Sure enough remy played more minutes than Juan in the tourney, saves our rear against creighton, providence and unc

Yes, Juan played defense the second half great but his step out of bounds could have been horrific

Holy Shit just God awful ball

@FarmerJayhawk yes, legit d1 is top 25 for now my apologies should have explained that’d

Yes!

Joe the three and steal!!!

Looky there

@kuballin10 don’t sprain your Achilles backpedaling

Tennessee must suck to only be beating this gosh awful team by 1

impressive move by Gradey.

Adams barges into the lane and refs give him the call.

Seeing some grit here. Love it.

@FarmerJayhawk no backpedal legit d1 team isn’t nc state or notre dame

Come on now ur just arguing for the sake of it

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@DCHawker zags would run us out of the gym just like Fort Myers a few years ago

They can hang 85-90 and we wouldn’t sniff 80 with this squad against a legit D1 team

Zags 19 point beatdown did you watch it? We’d lost by 25 like when we went down to Tech with the Lawson s.

That gym was rocking a completely perfect storm….no team had a chance that night and Texas didn’t miss much

When has Bobby Pettiford shown he's any better offensively than Harris yet? Among the regular rotation players, Harris has the third highest PER behind Wilson and Dick. He is KU's best option at PG so I don't know what you realistically think Self should do because the other options are Pettiford who shoots less frequently than Harris, Yesufu who shoots too much and doesn't pass enough, or Cuffe who hasn't shown to be a P5 level player yet.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Harris is the pg and the best one

He has to score

Bill also has to play mj more someone who will look at the rim

Everyone settle down Harris is the clear best pg by a mile

@kuballin10 nah not arguing. Just using the plain meaning of legitimate, which has never been top 10% of anything lol

@wissox long way to go when they hit shots to counter ours

We can’t score it’s a bill self team so I expect those results this year

Really enjoy the rivalry and respect Barnes and Self have had over the years.

@FarmerJayhawk of the 300 teams yes, 30 are legitimate

Nfl has 32 and 3-5 are actually legit

With that BS call on Juan , we gonna need some big minutes from Joe.

Officials took our pg out of the game lol

Jamie Lucky calling some just incredible Bs calls

These refs suck just a freaking joke

Moving screen

@kuballin10 There's not one person here who thinks KU is last years KU. But you seem intent of reminding us of that every minute. Good grief dude, give it a rest. No one likes to keep reading this crap. There's other people down on the team too, but they just don't drone on and on. Sorry man, I try to be civil but enough is enough.

@wissox fair enough I’ll change my tune

I feel like we are down 12-15 but it’s only 5
That’s a plus!

Bear down Gradey go to the hoop.

Frick 8 another three

UT is the aggressor offensively and look tougher right now

@kuballin10 hahahahaha words mean what you and only you decide. I get it.

We've seen these 20 some point half's before Just keep it close.

@FarmerJayhawk not at all I explained to you. Just because you are in a power 5 conference doesn’t make you legit competition

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

These refs suck just a freaking joke

You're attention starved. Thanks for kind of pretending you're a KU fan by calling out the refs.

And of course a tteam that's only shooting 29 % from the three this year comes out and throws up anything and it goes in

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@FarmerJayhawk not at all I explained to you. Just because you are in a power 5 conference doesn’t make you legit competition

Maybe we'll let you polish our national championship trophy!

GRADY - - there you go bud

One concern is Gradey has scored 83 pts but only 32 in the second half.

@jayballer67 man you watch KU before? That’s nothing new and Self has explained it

He hates easy buckets it’s why we never press because it results it layups when broken correctly

He guards paint out in 2022 it’s why teams often shoot well against us

@wissox If we won a national championship after his gloom and doom, perhaps he should do more of that this year.

I'm changing his name to Nosefu

Nice play,

Let's go!

Tenn sloppy with the ball yay

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Harris is the pg and the best one

He has to score

Bill also has to play mj more someone who will look at the rim

Everyone settle down Harris is the clear best pg by a mile

Harris has when needed which is why he'sover 9 ppg. He's averaging 8 attempts per game which is 4th on team and was 3rd before yesterday. Yesterday was also by far his worst offensive game of the season. His ppg so far is 4 more than last year so I'd say he's increased his scoring this year.

Joe stepping up when we need it most doing more than Bobby has this year and more than Juan had this game….this is the Joe we need

@kuballin10 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc ↗

We're shooting 32%, getting killed on the boards and Tenn is hitting 50% of 3s. Shocking that we are just down 3....

Tenn. to's?

Where's our bigs? I know udeh made a cameo, but we look small out there.

@DCHawker

Plus 15 turnovers by TN

@Zabudda said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@DCHawker

Plus 15 turnovers by TN

That is what is keeping us within shouting distance...

Finally

Jalen single handily losing this one for them

Fouled

Geez we get into managable position and then this

Poor ending to a similar half.

Tennessee 17 turnovers in the 1st half. I knew they were sloppy but 17 - -we need to take advantage of that

Played well on D again. That’ll be our calling card all year. Just need to get better at capitalizing.

Tough when we give it back 10 times

UT playing without their best player - imagine if we had to do that

17 turnovers and up 8….this is a legit team @FarmerJayhawk

Frustration is our play good D and scrap is great will get us to sweet 16 or elite 8 but the great offensive teams beat the good defensive teams in basketball every time…

I see us tying it up at 45 pts,

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Played well on D again. That’ll be our calling card all year. Just need to get better at capitalizing.

Well that's about of as an ugly of a half that I've seen in awhile. So maybe now that's out of the way we can get this thing turned around. - - 8 - -28 not gonna win you many games. - -Tennessee is a 29.9 % three point shooting team so - -OF COURSE in the 1st half they shoot over 50 % from the three. - -go figure.

@jayballer67 you don't remember the 2nd half yesterday?

@wissox said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 you don't remember the 2nd half yesterday?

Lol , ya I do. - - hoping for not a repeat. - - 2nd half yesterday - -1st half tonight

Tennessee is a bad shooting team but we are also giving them wide open looks.

Honestly, the only thing that's really pissed me off is the officials putting Harris on the bench with bad calls. That was also probably a delay of game on Tennessee to end the half.

McCuller forced some shots.
JWill needs to drive and kick out.
Gradey started getting active the last 8 minutes, keep him going.
Get a rim protector.

The first half kind of looked like an actual battle for Atlantis

@Zabudda Kevin was open he just isn’t able to buy a bucket

Famous last words, but… I don’t think Tennessee will shoot nearly as well the second half, nor do I think KU will shoot nearly as poorly. Bill knows Barnes. KU by 2

I also think there's some fatigue setting in with KU. Our starters have played a lot of minutes the last two days and lot of shots look like tired legs.

So, looking at the glass as half full... JW, Gradey, KJ and Juan are 3-19. Juan on the bench almost half of the half. Down 10 on the boards; JW with just 1. Shooting less than 30% from inside and outside the arc. Starters are gassed after playing too many minutes the past 2 days. And, down just 8. Not saying we are going to win, but this is winnable...

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Tennessee is a bad shooting team but we are also giving them wide open looks.

Honestly, the only thing that's really pissed me off is the officials putting Harris on the bench with bad calls. That was also probably a delay of game on Tennessee to end the half.

True and Very True - -Tennessee is only a 39 % Fg shooting team - -& a 29 % 3 pt % shooting team but like you say if we ever decided to guard might be different. - -17 turnovers and those kind of shooting numbers - - no excuses

Opening play is a screen to Kevin not Gradey for 3 - What are we doing Bill?

KJ!

KJ! Be aggressive. Foul some folks out!

@Texas-Hawk-10 I hate this excuse
UT was in OT yesterday

There is no excuse

KJ is a strong ass kid

@KirkIsMyHinrich which is bad - wide open looks when we hang our hat on D

Double pump again/

Juaaaaaan

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I hate this excuse
UT was in OT yesterday

There is no excuse

That’s the problem with only having 3.5 players

Hang in the air KJ

Don't look now but our leading scorer is Joe....

No box out. Again

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I hate this excuse
UT was in OT yesterday

There is no excuse

Even with the OT, they still had a lot more bench minutes and their first game was a blowout so their starters didn't play big minutes in that one. They are a fresher team, that's a reality.

What an idiot

Kinda weak call?

On the KU broadcast they talking saying something must of happen to Kevin. - -Ran off the court and not even on the bench.- -

Is Bobby really hurt?

Zach as two guard if this keeps up.

@Zabudda It didn't look good when he got hurt. Looked like a hammy or groin to me.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I hate this excuse
UT was in OT yesterday

There is no excuse

Even with the OT, they still had a lot more bench minutes and their first game was a blowout so their starters didn't play big minutes in that one. They are a fresher team, that's a reality.

We are definitely feeling 3 games in 3 days. Very dead legs. No bench.

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Opening play is a screen to Kevin not Gradey for 3 - What are we doing Bill?

Doing the same thing he has all year. - -Grady not hittin the shot when he does shoot the three tonight

Joe is 4-7; everyone else 7-28...
Juan isn't playing for the next 10 minutes and with Bobby out, Joe is going to get big minutes. Probably not a winnable game at this point, so let's get guys some experience....

Time to see what we are made off with no Juan

I believe

KJ is Doke Version 2

@DCHawker joe’s 1 game we need him to be decent at least he has been

He in self’s mind is a 2 but I think he could be molded into a 1

@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

KJ is Doke Version 2

Just minus 5 inches and 50 pounds

Will he make a FT all year?

How about an MJ Rice breakout?

What happened to McCullar?

@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

KJ is Doke Version 2

Not even close.

I miss making alley oops. Maybe MJ is the guy?

JOE

Yesss!!

@Jethro said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

How about an MJ Rice breakout?

He just can't get on the floor it's crazy.

MJ isn’t mentally or physically caught up yet

In the first 2 games, KU's had 8 players go over 35 minutes in a game including Wilson, Dick, and Harris each game. Tennessee has had 3 player over 25 minutes in agame this tournament. Fresh legs matter and we're seeing it tonight.

KU is just slow tonight.

I need some pumpkin pie

Rice got fouled

Lefty was 0-8 from 3 yesterday.

@wissox said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

I need some pumpkin pie

Ugg. No more turkey

JW and Gradey 2-15; Joe 5-9. Go figure...

No starter has more than 2 buckets...

Honestly I don't know how we are only losing by 9.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Mj, Jeter, Kobe whoever would all say excuses

The Butler game three of their starting five played 25, 27 and 31 and bench guys 29, 24 and 23

Then their OT game

UT is a better team as kenpom showed and Vegas knows

this is the erssult you get and are gonna get when Wison and Grady aren't giving much. - That and just getting beat to death on the boards

@DCHawker said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

JW and Gradey 2-15; Joe 5-9. Go figure...

Sounds like a L

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Mj, Jeter, Kobe whoever would all say excuses

The Butler game three of their starting five played 25, 27 and 31 and bench guys 29, 24 and 23

Then their OT game

UT is a better team as kenpom showed and Vegas knows

😢

We've only won 17 in a row. A loss is unacceptable.

The Vols quit cooperating.

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Mj, Jeter, Kobe whoever would all say excuses

The Butler game three of their starting five played 25, 27 and 31 and bench guys 29, 24 and 23

Then their OT game

UT is a better team as kenpom showed and Vegas knows

That's my point, their bench has played a lot more minutes giving their starters more rest leading into this game amd it's shown with the shooting tonight.

Lol. McCullar

The story - - -KU getting spanked on the boards like a red headed step child - - -36 -18 - -and turnovers

I believe tonight’s big take away is Harris may be a little important.

Kevin going 1 on 1 lol dude you aren’t good

My 7 point loss is feeling off should have said 15

@Texas-Hawk-10 - rested or not wouldn’t make a difference

@jayballer67 Ask the hall of fame coach he’s the one starting a 6-6/6-7 five man

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 Ask the hall of fame coach he’s the one starting a 6-6/6-7 five man

ya so your telling me Udeh & ejifor gonna eerase that huh - -- - lol - ok whateve you say

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Kevin going 1 on 1 lol dude you aren’t good

My 7 point loss is feeling off should have said 15

@Texas-Hawk-10 - rested or not wouldn’t make a difference

If you say so.

People saying our offense needs Juan - he has 4 to’s and we were down 7-8 real early when he was playing. He wouldn’t make the difference in a W and an L

This is what happens when you have 1 on 1 iso offense and guys who can’t shoot (besides Gradey)

@jayballer67 erase it nah - Zuby will rebound he’s the best of the 4

@kuballin10 after you ask him how he’s won 82% of his games and two titles

Lol, guy falls down right in front of ref and nothing.

Bill Self will never win another national championship. He doesn't have what it takes.

Harris about to pick up his 6th foul from the bench and get sentenced to 400 hours of community service

@wissox said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Bill Self will never win another national championship. He doesn't have what it takes.

/s ?

@FarmerJayhawk he went against everything he’s ever said “if a guy isn’t ready in February I won’t play him in March” except he had no choice because of how bad certain players were. He played him and we won

The problem is how are we going to fix this?

38 points - hope we get to 50-55

Good D won’t stop great offenses

Either play the young guys and take our lumps or don’t.

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 erase it nah - Zuby will rebound he’s the best of the 4

Well not sure if you know or not but that 6'7 guy your talking about KJ is KU's leading rebounder tonight - so ya lets take him out and put Zuby in. - -I know maybe Zuby gonna score more then KJ - -doubt it - sure Kj only has 4 points - but again leading rebounder this game and thats what we ARE talking about he has 7 rebounds and 4 points. -Right now it takes Zuby or Ernest 5 games to score 4 points. -& KJ much much better defensively then Ernst or Zuby is close to being. - -So really not sure what the hell your thinking is thinking we would be better with them in

@KirkIsMyHinrich he’s got jobbed tonight just awful officiating

Games like tonight he got exposed with our start, leading the team in turnovers and that’s just him playing half of the first half and now he’s out.

He has to be Frank, devonte, tyshawn offensively for us to win a title. Last years team he didn’t have to do that.

9 ppg won’t cut it

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@KirkIsMyHinrich he’s got jobbed tonight just awful officiating

Games like tonight he got exposed with our start, leading the team in turnovers and that’s just him playing half of the first half and now he’s out.

He has to be Frank, devonte, tyshawn offensively for us to win a title. Last years team he didn’t have to do that.

9 ppg won’t cut it

I don't believe that you are a fan of Kansas basketball so

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@KirkIsMyHinrich he’s got jobbed tonight just awful officiating

Games like tonight he got exposed with our start, leading the team in turnovers and that’s just him playing half of the first half and now he’s out.

He has to be Frank, devonte, tyshawn offensively for us to win a title. Last years team he didn’t have to do that.

9 ppg won’t cut it

9 points WILL cut it if the rest of this team does what it should do

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@KirkIsMyHinrich he’s got jobbed tonight just awful officiating

Games like tonight he got exposed with our start, leading the team in turnovers and that’s just him playing half of the first half and now he’s out.

He has to be Frank, devonte, tyshawn offensively for us to win a title. Last years team he didn’t have to do that.

9 ppg won’t cut it

I don't believe that you are a fan of Kansas basketball so

Still wondering if it's HEM.

An asskicking like this should have Bill contemplating some things that is for sure.

@jayballer67 Bill hasn’t played rice all tourney and extended minutes now

Do the same with Zuby - we know what we have in Kj

This game is over is it not? Bills not even arguing with the refs anymore you can see he knows it’s done

It’s KU - title or bust and KJ at the five is great for half a game but not going to win it

@kuballin10 that’s not even true. Eg Perry, Mario Little, and Silvio.

Amazing you still take Bill literally after all these years.

@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 erase it nah - Zuby will rebound he’s the best of the 4

Well not sure if you know or not but that 6'7 guy your talking about KJ is KU's leading rebounder tonight - so ya lets take him out and put Zuby in. - -I know maybe Zuby gonna score more then KJ - -doubt it - sure Kj only has 4 points - but again leading rebounder this game and thats what we ARE talking about he has 7 rebounds and 4 points. -Right now it takes Zuby or Ernest 5 games to score 4 points. -& KJ much much better defensively then Ernst or Zuby is close to being. - -So really not sure what the hell your thinking is thinking we would be better with them in

All but 1 of KJ's rebounds are offensive tonight. He has only 1 rebound on defense. And this is a big problem for KU because KJ is the worst defensive rebounding big Self has ever had. KU absolutely has to get one of the other post players going because KJ's defensive rebounding is an issue that has to fixed at some point.

@jayballer67 outline it.

Jalen 20 ppg

Kevin 12?

Gradey 12?

Juan 9

Kj -6?

Total:57

This D doesn’t have a doke so we can’t hang our hat on it

Well I guess KU won’t go undefeated for the first time in program history. Darn.

This game is being played in the Bermuda Triangle

@BShark said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

An asskicking like this should have Bill contemplating some things that is for sure.

It should, but it's also November and Juan was inexplicably assassinated tonight.

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 Bill hasn’t played rice all tourney and extended minutes now

Do the same with Zuby - we know what we have in Kj

This game is over is it not? Bills not even arguing with the refs anymore you can see he knows it’s done

It’s KU - title or bust and KJ at the five is great for half a game but not going to win it

deal with it -KJ is what we got not - -you don't have to be here if you don't like how Bill Coachs - I think I'll trust him a little more with his experience then you thanks

@dylans said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Well I guess KU won’t go undefeated for the first time in program history. Darn.

I know right - -think I'll just have a stroke

Gradey needs to figure out how to move without the ball to get open.

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 outline it.

Jalen 20 ppg

Kevin 12?

Gradey 12?

Juan 9

Kj -6?

Total:57

This D doesn’t have a doke so we can’t hang our hat on it

AND ? what the hell is your point exactly. - you telling me we have scoring machines on the bench - -if we do PLEASE let us know so we can relay to Bill

@FarmerJayhawk I mean I wouldn’t as a coach put that weight on a kids shoulders if I was not being literal

Mj had a chance there to cut it to 9
Then they hit the 3

That was our chance not enough firepower to keep up with the big dogs

Texas
Baylor
KU

This year

@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 outline it.

Jalen 20 ppg

Kevin 12?

Gradey 12?

Juan 9

Kj -6?

Total:57

This D doesn’t have a doke so we can’t hang our hat on it

AND ? what the hell is your point exactly. - you telling me we have scoring machines on the bench - -if we do PLEASE let us know so we can relay to Bill

Only it's Jalen 23- - - Grady 18 - - - KJ 6 so oooops

@jayballer67 you forget your own posts? Put the bottle down man

You said 9 ppg from Juan would cut it

I outlined how that only gets us 57 points in reality which ain’t winning many games this year against real competition

So your theory that 9 ppg Juan is enough I “outlined it” for you that the math doesn’t work. Dude has to score more

@jayballer67 how’s that work tonight against legit d1 competition?

@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 outline it.

Jalen 20 ppg

Kevin 12?

Gradey 12?

Juan 9

Kj -6?

Total:57

This D doesn’t have a doke so we can’t hang our hat on it

AND ? what the hell is your point exactly. - you telling me we have scoring machines on the bench - -if we do PLEASE let us know so we can relay to Bill

The point is we don't and playing starters 35 minutes a night isn't going to develop a bench either so when Wilson and/or Dick have an off night like tonight, KU is going to struggle to win games and will have to play low possession games in the 50's which helps keep other teams in games and if they play well, lead to blow outs like tonight.

As much as this sucks it's good for us

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 you forget your own posts? Put the bottle down man

You said 9 ppg from Juan would cut it

I outlined how that only gets us 57 points in reality which ain’t winning many games this year against real competition

So your theory that 9 ppg Juan is enough I “outlined it” for you that the math doesn’t work. Dude has to score more

Man I'm done with you -you talking just trash - -nothing worth while you just trollin - - go boot scootin boggie down in the intestate to waterville I'm done

@kuballin10 if only there was some record that suggests Bill’s approach works

@Texas-Hawk-10 somebody coaches and gets it

See tonight against a real team and what happens those three guys are 7,11,7 - graphic just for you bud I texted my buddy at espn for ya

Haha Jank is in Self is waiving the white flag

@jayballer67 the reply when proven wrong - appreciate ya brother

Such a weird hill to die on. KU sucks on a KU fan board the year after they won a national championship.

@FarmerJayhawk 2 Natty’s

Plenty of choke jobs and bad lineups

That’s always been his problem holding D higher than O like it’s the 1990’s basketball

Nfl has adapted, nba as well. Easier to teach a scorer ti defend than a defender how to score

@dylans said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Such a weird hill to die on. KU sucks on a KU fan board the year after they won a national championship.

HEM behavior.

@kuballin10 yep gosh what a failure

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 outline it.

Jalen 20 ppg

Kevin 12?

Gradey 12?

Juan 9

Kj -6?

Total:57

This D doesn’t have a doke so we can’t hang our hat on it

AND ? what the hell is your point exactly. - you telling me we have scoring machines on the bench - -if we do PLEASE let us know so we can relay to Bill

The point is we don't and playing starters 35 minutes a night isn't going to develop a bench either so when Wilson and/or Dick have an off night like tonight, KU is going to struggle to win games and will have to play low possession games in the 50's which helps keep other teams in games and if they play well, lead to blow outs like tonight.

At least you make some logic. -- I can't deal with trolls.- - -Bobby hurt , Cuffe hurt - - Martin Hurt - - Cllemencce still hurting - -but we will be ok - - -everyone has bad nights

@jayballer67 he helped you interpret mine since you somehow couldn’t put 2 and 2 together

I didn’t include the bench because we don’t have one

Cuffe haha get out if you read this board you know he isn’t getting minutes

Martin the same

Bobby doesn’t even look to score

Tonight is more reflective of who we are this year. I mean if you didn’t see all those close calls against average teams and came away thinking we are a legitimate title contender - the red and blue glasses are glued on too tight

Well. I'm going to go eat pie and grade some papers.

It's going to be okay everyone

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@FarmerJayhawk 2 Natty’s

Plenty of choke jobs and bad lineups

That’s always been his problem holding D higher than O like it’s the 1990’s basketball

Nfl has adapted, nba as well. Easier to teach a scorer ti defend than a defender how to score

Tell me ol wise one. - -how nattys has Calipari had WITH NBA lineups ? - - go ahead I'll wait ? ? ? - how many # 1 recruiting classes has Calipari had ? - - go ahead I'll wait. - - How many choke jobs does he have? - Thing is with him his teams don't play D - -and to much one on one O - -hmm dam maybe that's why they wanna run him out of Lexington on a rail- -like Farmer said - -ANOTHER FAILURE HUH roflmao

@KirkIsMyHinrich Unless ⬆️ commits suicide. Geeze. It’s a game. Peace and love all. If you don’t enjoy the game, try parcheesi or something less stressful. I feel like a help line needs to listed here after tonight though.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Well. I'm going to go eat pie and grade some papers.

It's going to be okay everyone

yes it is. Sun still gonna come up in the East tomorrow and sit in the West - Were gonna be fine

@jayballer67 Cal is awful

Give me Jay Wright - his teams played aggressive on BOTH sides of the ball. He never quick hooked kids especially early and let them play through mistakes. He did more with less at a school that isn’t a top recruiter like the blue bloods

Jay
Roy/Bill

That’d be the order

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 he helped you interpret mine since you somehow couldn’t put 2 and 2 together

I didn’t include the bench because we don’t have one

Cuffe haha get out if you read this board you know he isn’t getting minutes

Martin the same

Bobby doesn’t even look to score

Tonight is more reflective of who we are this year. I mean if you didn’t see all those close calls against average teams and came away thinking we are a legitimate title contender - the red and blue glasses are glued on too tight

your a trip lmao - - have a great night roflmao

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 you forget your own posts? Put the bottle down man

You said 9 ppg from Juan would cut it

I outlined how that only gets us 57 points in reality which ain’t winning many games this year against real competition

So your theory that 9 ppg Juan is enough I “outlined it” for you that the math doesn’t work. Dude has to score more

Harris scoring 9 ppg is where he should be as the 4th scorer on a this team amd don't use the worst game of his career tonight as justification when Wilson was 13 below his average tonight and Dick 10 below his.

If Harris was the only player with a bad game tonight leading to this loss, then you'd have a point, but other than Yesufu, everyone else for KU played like shit tonight. Our starters were 10-37 from the field and 3-13 from 3.

We all know that something needs to happen with the bench to develop some more depth and scoring, but trying blame tonight on Harris is just plain ignoring everyone else that played like shit tonight too.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 erase it nah - Zuby will rebound he’s the best of the 4

Well not sure if you know or not but that 6'7 guy your talking about KJ is KU's leading rebounder tonight - so ya lets take him out and put Zuby in. - -I know maybe Zuby gonna score more then KJ - -doubt it - sure Kj only has 4 points - but again leading rebounder this game and thats what we ARE talking about he has 7 rebounds and 4 points. -Right now it takes Zuby or Ernest 5 games to score 4 points. -& KJ much much better defensively then Ernst or Zuby is close to being. - -So really not sure what the hell your thinking is thinking we would be better with them in

All but 1 of KJ's rebounds are offensive tonight. He has only 1 rebound on defense. And this is a big problem for KU because KJ is the worst defensive rebounding big Self has ever had. KU absolutely has to get one of the other post players going because KJ's defensive rebounding is an issue that has to fixed at some point.

It wa the ENTIRE teams was an issue tonight - as bad as things were , they would of been a ot worse with 2nd and third chances if it was for KJ's rebounding

@Texas-Hawk-10 it isn’t all Harris fault but if he’s the winner Bill says - winners take over when the other guys can’t score.

Good teams will slow Wilson and Gradey down as they can out athlete them. Kevin is the third scorer but if you know the game or watch he’s a defensive specialist and rebounder not some 15ppg guy.

Teams can matchup better with Wilson and Gradey and Juan must score more

@jayballer67 you listed Cuffe and Martin as if because we aren’t fully healthy those two bench warmers would have made a difference

Talk about a trip….come down from that high man. Surprised you didn’t list Jank too

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 you listed Cuffe and Martin as if because we aren’t fully healthy those two bench warmers would have made a difference

Talk about a trip….come down from that high man. Surprised you didn’t list Jank too

have a great night

@jayballer67 I’d bow out to after those last few posts “rolfmao”

@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 erase it nah - Zuby will rebound he’s the best of the 4

Well not sure if you know or not but that 6'7 guy your talking about KJ is KU's leading rebounder tonight - so ya lets take him out and put Zuby in. - -I know maybe Zuby gonna score more then KJ - -doubt it - sure Kj only has 4 points - but again leading rebounder this game and thats what we ARE talking about he has 7 rebounds and 4 points. -Right now it takes Zuby or Ernest 5 games to score 4 points. -& KJ much much better defensively then Ernst or Zuby is close to being. - -So really not sure what the hell your thinking is thinking we would be better with them in

All but 1 of KJ's rebounds are offensive tonight. He has only 1 rebound on defense. And this is a big problem for KU because KJ is the worst defensive rebounding big Self has ever had. KU absolutely has to get one of the other post players going because KJ's defensive rebounding is an issue that has to fixed at some point.

It wa the ENTIRE teams was an issue tonight - as bad as things were , they would of been a ot worse with 2nd and third chances if it was for KJ's rebounding

Again, KJ only had 1 defensive rebound tonight. Tennessee grabbed 15 offensive rebounds to our 17 defensive rebounds tonight. It was basically 50/50 on who got the ball after a Tennessee miss tonight and KJ did nothing to help that because he got 1 defensive rebound tonight.

@Texas-Hawk-10 that and UT clogged the paint playing off everyone except Gradey so Wilson and Mccullar’s driving lanes were non existent

I said it will be a long night for Wilson and Gradey which means other guys have to score

Our scout is easy

Let Juan shoot as many times from deep as he wants

KJ - only scores on lobs

Kevin - let him shoot

Wilson - double him every time he drives

Gradey - whoever guards him does not help

Juan’s guy helps when Wilson drives or Kevin’s.

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 it isn’t all Harris fault but if he’s the winner Bill says - winners take over when the other guys can’t score.

Good teams will slow Wilson and Gradey down as they can out athlete them. Kevin is the third scorer but if you know the game or watch he’s a defensive specialist and rebounder not some 15ppg guy.

Teams can matchup better with Wilson and Gradey and Juan must score more

Gradey will hopefully be harder to slow down as the year goes on and he gets more comfortable with the offense and learns how to move without the ball better. I generally agree about Wilson because I've always said he was a below average athlete and is a slightly better version of Perry Ellis.

I also generally believe that unless the bench is developed, this team has a hallmarks of a Round of 32/Sweet 16 team.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 erase it nah - Zuby will rebound he’s the best of the 4

Well not sure if you know or not but that 6'7 guy your talking about KJ is KU's leading rebounder tonight - so ya lets take him out and put Zuby in. - -I know maybe Zuby gonna score more then KJ - -doubt it - sure Kj only has 4 points - but again leading rebounder this game and thats what we ARE talking about he has 7 rebounds and 4 points. -Right now it takes Zuby or Ernest 5 games to score 4 points. -& KJ much much better defensively then Ernst or Zuby is close to being. - -So really not sure what the hell your thinking is thinking we would be better with them in

All but 1 of KJ's rebounds are offensive tonight. He has only 1 rebound on defense. And this is a big problem for KU because KJ is the worst defensive rebounding big Self has ever had. KU absolutely has to get one of the other post players going because KJ's defensive rebounding is an issue that has to fixed at some point.

It wa the ENTIRE teams was an issue tonight - as bad as things were , they would of been a ot worse with 2nd and third chances if it was for KJ's rebounding

Again, KJ only had 1 defensive rebound tonight. Tennessee grabbed 15 offensive rebounds to our 17 defensive rebounds tonight. It was basically 50/50 on who got the ball after a Tennessee miss tonight and KJ did nothing to help that because he got 1 defensive rebound tonight.

Ok he got - -1, ummm what about the others? - - Wilson TWO defensive rebounds- - -Dick- -THREE defensive rebounds - -TWO other players that should be on the boards. - - When you get your ass pounded on the boards by 18 - -it's a team beatin - -not one persons. On the offensive end if not for KJ's rebounding for the chance of 2nd chances as GOD knows we needed every 2nd chance we could get - - if it was for KJ's 6 offensive w would of really been screwed even worse as Wilson had TWO offensive rebounds & Dick had ONE - -So agree ya he needs to do more on defensive boards but the way I was always taught - there are five guys on the team - -you win sa a team - - you lose as a team there is NOT just one guy that ost you a game

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 I’d bow out to after those last few posts “rolfmao”

ok bye -- bye

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 that and UT clogged the paint playing off everyone except Gradey so Wilson and Mccullar’s driving lanes were non existent

I said it will be a long night for Wilson and Gradey which means other guys have to score

Our scout is easy

Let Juan shoot as many times from deep as he wants

KJ - only scores on lobs

Kevin - let him shoot

Wilson - double him every time he drives

Gradey - whoever guards him does not help

Juan’s guy helps when Wilson drives or Kevin’s.

I don't disagree with that scout because I've said basically the same thing multiple times and you know that and why I've been big on getting Clemence going because his game is what helps everyone because he's a big that stretches the floor and would open the lanes up for Wilson and McCullar to drive more.

@jayballer67 I agree with this win and lose as a team just more fun to analyze the why’s

Kj gets so many offensive long rebounds but is awful on the defensive it which I don’t understand

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 it isn’t all Harris fault but if he’s the winner Bill says - winners take over when the other guys can’t score.

I also generally believe that unless the bench is developed, this team has a hallmarks of a Round of 32/Sweet 16 team.

Don’t say that too loud you’ll be blocked and labeled not a fan for being realistic

I agree unless bigger bigs and mj get going we are an early out

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@jayballer67 I agree with this win and lose as a team just more fun to analyze the why’s

Kj gets so many offensive long rebounds but is awful on the defensive it which I don’t understand

KJ is 6-7 with short arms, that's why he sucks at defensive rebounding. I'd be curious to know what his wingspan actually is because I'm guessing it's probably about 77 inches which would mean KJ plays at about 6-5.

Not quite the exclamation mark of the UK loss last year but I'm sure it will work as a "toughening box" game.

Dajuan... get some sleep. You look like you've been up all night.

Was there a team curfew in the Bahamas? Appears not... lol

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 it isn’t all Harris fault but if he’s the winner Bill says - winners take over when the other guys can’t score.

I also generally believe that unless the bench is developed, this team has a hallmarks of a Round of 32/Sweet 16 team.

Don’t say that too loud you’ll be blocked and labeled not a fan for being realistic

I agree unless bigger bigs and mj get going we are an early out

I'm used to it. I was one of the few that said KU would get run by USC a couple of years ago because they were a terrible match up for that team. This is going to be one of those years where we see KU play a lot of games in the 50's and 60's and have to play Badball to win.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I had us losing that game first time ever in my bracket I didn’t pick us to win it all.

Bad ball = some March wins but ultimately not title contenders

Big 12 appears stacked this year gonna be a long season and hopefully these guys improve

Bobby has a strained hammy

An average shooting night would’ve won this game easily. Glad to see joe get some positive minutes.

Not even sure if there are lessons from this game beyond rebound better and hit shots

We’ll be fine. We’re not remotely close to healthy. Juan, Zach, MJ, and Bobby are still getting back to 100%. I haven’t seen a team that’s very consistent so far. Let’s figure out who we are in the next couple weeks. I won’t lose sleep over this one.

Jeez. Just finished watching that ugliness on DVR.

The Volunteers simply were bigger, stronger, more aggressive and they outmuscled us.

(And they nailed some 3s)

Not much to add that hasn’t been argued to death above already.

As goes Jalen, so go the Jayhawks…

We looked tired and then tired and demoralized. Add in the loss of Juan and Bobby and, and, and, and.
The sea lion looked tired and whoever was the color announcer in our game was (I can't find an all encompassing word) but impressed me by over reacting for 40 minutes straight. Ugh.
Come on monday!

Some people need additional hobbies, goodness.

Bobby P out weeks with hamstring strain. Nothing new for him here

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Bobby P out weeks with hamstring strain. Nothing new for him here

Will be forced to play Joe or MJ now. Whew boy.

17-1 in our last 18 games. National champions. 81% winning percent. The recipe this year needs more time to bake. Around the end of Jan, the beginning of Feb, we'll start to emerge as a real team. We'll have defined roles. and rotations that work. We'll start sharing the ball. A 5 man will emerge. They will figure it out. Remember, Bill doesn't really have a floor- his floor is 20+ wins with a 4 seed in the tournament.

@Jethro Fire Bill clearly

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@Jethro Bill wants a freshman big key word FRESHMAN big to emerge. He doesn’t want Kj at the 5 for all these minutes and him saying freshman means Zach isn’t looking at much opportunity if Bill has it his way.

Wish Zuby had some more run yesterday he can at least rebound

@BShark yes, clearly program needs a shake up Bill ain’t cutting it……kidding for those who’d actually take it seriously. He’s a hall of famer doesn’t mean infallible.

He’s giving the freshman some minutes they just look awful

@kuballin10

Zach has had some chances so far and has shown little to make a case. He has to hit the boards hard as hell and bricking treys is not good. I can see he has been told to get their tall guys away from the basket but he has failed to scare anyone. I wonder if he has been nailing three's in practice? Maybe that explains it although the one missed that Bobby cleaned up was necessary because of the clock running out.

Mr. Hat, what did you think about the loss?

KJ adams 2-14 from the line on the season. Translation = Doke could beat him in horse at the line

@Zabudda said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@kuballin10

Zach has had some chances so far and has shown little to make a case. He has to hit the boards hard as hell and bricking treys is not good. I can see he has been told to get their tall guys away from the basket but he has failed to scare anyone. I wonder if he has been nailing three's in practice? Maybe that explains it although the one missed that Bobby cleaned up was necessary because of the clock running out.

Starting to think we were oversold on Zach’s shooting ability. I recall somebody saying a while back he was the best shooter on the team. Hmmm. Not trying to be negative on Zach, as I’m hopeful for his future as a stretch big, but he’s gotta show us some shooting ability at some point.

@BShark said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Bobby P out weeks with hamstring strain. Nothing new for him here

Will be forced to play Joe or MJ now. Whew boy.

We have an issue here for sure.

One PG on the roster for the foreseeable future. No bueno.

McCullar will have to have more time on the ball, too.

Guys like MJ and Joe have an excellent chance to get some PT.

@Zabudda said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Guys like MJ and Joe have an excellent chance to get some PT.

I for one would really like to see more of MJs game. He seems raw, but his nose to score should help. Seems like he doesn’t quite grasp the structure of the offense yet. Self will have to decide how much of that he can cope with if he’s on the floor. He missed some assignments on D last night if I recall as well.

But, our offense seems less structured this year anyway — give it to Jalen and watch him drive. Guessing MJ can do some of that.

@Jethro said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@FarmerJayhawk not at all I explained to you. Just because you are in a power 5 conference doesn’t make you legit competition

Maybe we'll let you polish our national championship trophy!

Jethro , you didn't listen we not winning a National Championship with Coach Self - not with a Bill Self team. Ol wise one said so

@BShark said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Jethro Fire Bill clearly

Lol, start the campaign I'm there for you - -let's do this lmao

@BShark said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Bobby P out weeks with hamstring strain. Nothing new for him here

Will be forced to play Joe or MJ now. Whew boy.

I think Joe at the PG---would still like to see more of MJ on the floor at least a better probability of scoring if he can get things straightened out - -we need him

@jayballer67 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@Jethro said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@kuballin10 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

@FarmerJayhawk not at all I explained to you. Just because you are in a power 5 conference doesn’t make you legit competition

Maybe we'll let you polish our national championship trophy!

Jethro , you didn't listen we not winning a National Championship with Coach Self - not with a Bill Self team. Ol wise one said so

This team without developing the bench and developing at least one other consistent scorer isn't winning a national title this year and may not win the B12 this year. This team has all of the hallmarks of Bill Self's teams that have suffered early exits in the NCAA Tournament.

We only have 5 games left before conference play starts and TSU on Monday is the only cupcake of those 5 games. Seton Hall has a good defense and good coach that took St. Peter's to the Elite 8 last year. Missouri has a looked good so far, albeit against cupcakes, but it's a rivalry game on the road. Indiana is more than capable of running KU out of the gym like Tennessee did. Harvard should be a cupcake, but they've given KU issues in the past so we'll see.

Point is, Self may not have the opportunities to develop the bench without potentially sacrificing some wins which goes against Self's philosophy.

Think we were run out of our gym last year by Kentucky, and my guess is many thought the sky was falling. Throughout the season many were negative towards Big Dave and different aspects of the team. A loss like yesterday hurts our pride, but I'm sure Coach Self will use it to bring about a great deal of improvement in a variety of ways.

@COHawk many, many!

@COHawk said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Think we were run out of our gym last year by Kentucky, and my guess is many thought the sky was falling. Throughout the season many were negative towards Big Dave and different aspects of the team. A loss like yesterday hurts our pride, but I'm sure Coach Self will use it to bring about a great deal of improvement in a variety of ways.

The UK loss mostly didn't bother me but the TCU loss did. XD

The loss yesterday was a blessing. It finally ended our mental picture of still being national champs. Until a team losses after winning it all, it is still on the honeymoon of that title.

We will still be targeted by all our opponents... but we should be able to play a little more relaxed. Dajuan was showing the wear of 3 games in as many days while trying to keep our national title streak going.

Now it's time to develop! Players, team, roles, perspective, motivation. It all starts now!

I'm glad we lost.

Now... finally... this team has lost the identity of last year's National Champs! The burden has been lifted and they will now have to move forward realizing they have to find their own identity (not riding the tails of last year's history). Now they realize they can play as crappy as any other D1 team and get beat by any D1 team on any given night.

B12 play is upon us but I think we will be as ready as we can, considering we now only have one PG!

I'm still very optimistic with this team and expecting big time fireworks come March!

RCJH!

This game is a good teaching moment for Harris. He took himself out the game with some bad fouls each and every time he needed to put a lid on it. With Bobby hurt for a while the backup pg position just became a mess putting an even bigger burden on Juan. Good thing the Hawks only have 5 games in December. There is a whole lot of issues going on especially health wise

@drgnslayr said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

The loss yesterday was a blessing. It finally ended our mental picture of still being national champs. Until a team losses after winning it all, it is still on the honeymoon of that title.

We will still be targeted by all our opponents... but we should be able to play a little more relaxed. Dajuan was showing the wear of 3 games in as many days while trying to keep our national title streak going.

Now it's time to develop! Players, team, roles, perspective, motivation. It all starts now!

I'm glad we lost.

Now... finally... this team has lost the identity of last year's National Champs! The burden has been lifted and they will now have to move forward realizing they have to find their own identity (not riding the tails of last year's history). Now they realize they can play as crappy as any other D1 team and get beat by any D1 team on any given night.

B12 play is upon us but I think we will be as ready as we can, considering we now only have one PG!

I'm still very optimistic with this team and expecting big time fireworks come March!

RCJH!

START Udeh at the 5 for 3 games. I'm talking 30 minutes. Give the dude a full look. If we're still being outrebounded at the end of 3 games, then pull the plug, scoot JW to the 5, add in MJ Rice or somebody, and start running and gunning. 5 out all the way. Run, run, run. I'd also like to see us throw some pressure at other teams. Maybe do some traps, some full court, throw a zone at them for a few possessions. Make them think too much. We're making it too easy for them.

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

This game is a good teaching moment for Harris. He took himself out the game with some bad fouls each and every time he needed to put a lid on it. With Bobby hurt for a while the backup pg position just became a mess putting an even bigger burden on Juan. Good thing the Hawks only have 5 games in December. There is a whole lot of issues going on especially health wise

What issues you think we have other than health?

I think basically everything this year has gone as expected with the notable exception being Zach. If he was decent, we would be very good. I'm torn on if he can get there or not and it's frustrating because last year he showed that he was better than this.

@BShark said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

I think basically everything this year has gone as expected with the notable exception being Zach. If he was decent, we would be very good. I'm torn on if he can get there or not and it's frustrating because last year he showed that he was better than this.

Yup, I thought Zach would be a big part of our success as well. I think one of two things needs to happen with Zach…assuming he’s healthy of course.

Zach needs to either play down low and forget about his “outside” game, or sit and fill in off the bench.

He’s 100% not proved he can shoot the ball in a game.

Start with big man basics. Rebound, play hard, throw some elbows, post up.

Then let the outside game evolve over the years.

We have no clue what the coaches are urging him to do, but that’s my view.

@rockchalkjayhawk

The 5 spot and bench are definely early weaknesses that have to be ironed out. Shooting has been average at best & we seem to have a lot of below average FT shooters so far.

I've been pleased with a lot things so far, I think this teams DNA knows how to win but we do need to see some guys step up so there's more consistentcy.

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

I've been pleased with a lot things so far, I think this teams DNA knows how to win but we do need to see some guys step up so there's more consistentcy.

Agree with this. They are tough at least. The biggest factors in the Tennessee loss were Juan only playing 18 minutes and our main guys being tired. We have offensive issues but that was an all time putrid performance.

I think we see Self and co want to slow things down when we hit conference play.

@Jethro

We looked like that kind of team the first few games. Then the competition became tougher and it wasn't as easy to control tempo.

For one big reason... we aren't rebounding well and when you don't do that it is impossible to control anything.

The Tennessee game was frustrating because we finally showed we weren't invincible since before the tourney last year. Our expectations need to come down to reality, and I think they did for many now... hopefully the team.

I don't know what to think about who to start at the 5. Think I'd have to sit in practices to know more about that.

Let's go retro for a moment... back to the good ol' KU days when Self either didn't have a NC under his belt, or only had one. Before January we often looked like total crap. We would usually make big gains over the holidays because the players get a little run of straight practice.

We can look at what we don't have on this team and moan. Or we can look at the pieces we do have and smile. I'm smiling. I see so much potential with this bunch and I hope they realize it after the holidays. Meanwhile... I'm prepared for some smelly basketball.

I hold high hopes that Rice will become a solid contributor this season and we get at least 2 bigs playing better.

Say a prayer that Dajuan and JWil stays healthy. We will meltdown if we lose either one of those guys.

GD will have some great games this year, but unless he figures out how to shake himself open when closely guarded, his results will be mixed. Saw him push up some ill-advised shots during this tourney and it helped bring down his % from trey. Maybe it will help people realize he's not ready for the NBA yet... and that's not even addressing his boy body.

@drgnslayr My thought, which you could call expectation I suppose, is that this is an 8 loss team or so. Of course things could swing in either direction by 2-3 games but I disagree with some people saying this team is a lock for double digit losses. It could happen sure, but it's too early to say that.

I agree let's see what we look like in January.

I'd love another season of Gradey and I do think it wouldn't be the worst thing for him either.

Man having a little trouble shaking this being bummed after effect from the Tennessee game. - - Just played really ugly , was it all Tennesse doings ? - -No , I don't think it was ALL Tennessee , just a matter of focus. - -I keep hearing well the kids were tired, - -well maybe but the other teams played same amount of games in the same amount of time - I can't buy that excuse maybe some but I think just a lot of poor execution plus we got exposed concerning our depth.

If we are going to be anything we have just got our bench to produce and develop. This game even KJ did a decent job - but Zuby & Ernest have just got to produce and develop - we have just got to get more size on the floor , Tennesse just pounded us on the boards. We just have to have more people that can score the ball.

Tonight is really not proving anything , we have to use this game sa been mentioned as a game to get our bench floor time -we need a bench. - -moving on now get this game out my head lol.

Texas is now # 2 in the nation. Really don't have a problem with that - - -KU # 9 - -Iowa St # 23 - -quite a difference between the AP poll & Coach's poll on Baylor

@BShark said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

I think basically everything this year has gone as expected with the notable exception being Zach. If he was decent, we would be very good. I'm torn on if he can get there or not and it's frustrating because last year he showed that he was better than this.

I really just don't think he is athletic enough to man the position. Just the way it is.

Scary thought I had today, would Hunter Mickelson start for this team?

I was actually encouraged by MJ's, albeit limited, play last game. If you can get him going and Juan can quit fouling that is a good enough guard rotation. And then I think you really just have to play Udeh and Zuby through the growing pains. Force them to be more than just lob threats.

I still think the talent is there to make noise late in the season. We are just so damn young outside of 3 dudes that this season was always destined to be up and down. By the end of the season you could see 4 freshman getting major rotation minutes, which is probably the youngest team in the Self era except for Wiggins year? Maybe Bill's 3rd season here?

@BShark

It's just way way too early to write an obituary for this team.

What if we lift our game and start playing like we did against the cream puffs but against real competition, including the Big 12?

My biggest concern now is backup PG. I feel like we will work out a reasonable post solution eventually. This team is going to need to have a "team rebounding" philosophy... much as we did last year. Those CB rebounds were vital for our run!

Actually... we should be a better rebounding team this year, and I think we will end up being respectable. Kevin is a huge asset there, and JWil is considerably more dominant. We just need medium numbers out of the 5...

I expect MJ to end up being a big role player with this team. He needs to stay healthy and learn a lot more.

GD should also be filling a stat sheet with more than treys. He's mostly running around like a chicken with his head cut off so far because he has to be further educated. He's a high basketball IQ guy and it won't take long. Give him a dozen more games under his belt.

Let's not forget that Self wouldn't trade Dajuan for any other PG in the country. PG is the head of the beast, so we will always have solid potential for a deep run.

We are all suffering badly from that loss... but it was a loss that needed to happen. So glad it happened before Big 12 play with time to really grind on these guys to lift their games. We need big time improvements... mostly getting them to some form of gel together.

Some injury updates

Cam Martin could play within a week to 10 days. Possible for Methzu.

Kevin is doubtful for Seton Hall

Bobby is doubtful for Methzu

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Tennessee Game Thread:

Some injury updates

Cam Martin could play within a week to 10 days. Possible for Methzu.

Kevin is doubtful for Seton Hall

Bobby is doubtful for Methzu

Do you get the feeling that Cam would be actually playing if not for injury? If people don’t think Zach is a fit, Cam’s kinda the same note, right?

@rockchalkjayhawk

Probably would have played some by now. Could he really play worse then Zach or Udeh has? The bar has been set so low right now.. Those two need the gym and practice badly.

Personally I don't think Cam can help us and unless Self has been an expert at keeping secrets we should have very low expectations if he does play.