Per Paul Biancardi twitter "Just spoke with Espn # 12 Brandon Ingram he has home visits with #NCState (Mon) , #Duke (Tues ) #UNC (Wed) and plans to decide on April 27"
All the NC schools are getting the last words. Either way, one week from tomorrow it will be official and hopefully its good news for Jayhawk nation.
@RockkChalk
The Duke coaches prioritizing Ingram, their top recruiting target on the board in the Class of 2015, on the first available day they can do so should be no surprise.
Ingram, the #11 player in the Class of 2015 according to the 247Sports Composite Rankings, is expected to make his college decision later this month. He stated last weekend at the Nike Hoop Summit that Duke, Kentucky, Kansas and North Carolina were his favorite schools heading into the final weeks of his process.
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Where's Ol' Roy in all this mess. No telling where that Silver Fox is in all this recruiting. But again, Ingram isn't necessarily staying in N Carolina. I really don't think he would go to UK either. They are stacked with the possibility of Brown committing and Poythress, Lee, and Willis all at UK. I also think his friendship with Bragg just might win out. Remember, they talk every other day, if not every day.
Maybe a better question is where's Self? Why isn't Self doing a quick turn around visit like Dook, UNC, or NCSt? I think Self may have gotten some good news Jayhawk Nation.
@truehawk93 you seem so positive. I hope you are right, those 2 are my choices.
@Crimsonorblue22 It's like being a millionaire and then going back to rags. I know what it's like to be wrong. It's not the first and maybe not the last. But, Ingram's recruiting has become all too interesting.
Worse case, Ingram tells Self he's staying in N Carolina and that he's down to the three N Carolina teams, but that makes no sense if they are all making last minute pitches. Then again, maybe it does.
What happened to UK?
Well, this may answer my question about Ol' Roy. Wow, I didn't know this. So, UNC may be out. This means he's down to Dook or NCSt? But, if he was going to commit to UNC, and was staying home, wouldn't it make sense for him to choose either Dook or NCSt if they had a chance?
I'm going out on a limb and I'm posting it here first folks, my deductive reasoning has him coming to KU because Bragg knew that he was leaning toward UNC, but for the sanction mess, knew Ingram would come to KU. Brandon Ingram chooses KU on 27 April.
I'd just get out of tobacco row because he's going to piss off the other N Carolina teams no matter if he stays in state. However, a KU choice would be better and fair to his state schools. He gets to be with his friend Carlton Bragg, and he would've already chosen if staying in the state.
Duke getting a 2nd visit in less than a week sticks out to me as the likely winner for him. Just seems odd that they would get another visit unless the 1st one didn't happen in the first place.
If Ingram stays in state, great for him his recruitment dragged on for nothing then, at least in terms of dragging KU along for the ride until the end. His last 3 visits are all with in-state programs so if his mind isn't already set on KU he's not coming.
It just further shows how many obstacles KU has to fight against with out of state prospects. We are the only Elite school in the nation without a plethora of nearby talent to choose from.
We are in the same boat for Diallo, and a home school that has done everything possible from a coaching change, to cornering him with 2 of his lead recruiters from other programs. We all certainly wish that at least Diallo will pledge to be a Jayhawk because of the sheer effort that has been put into his recruitment the past 2 years. A fan base gets more weary each passing day that we won't get anyone.. Some good news needs to start coming our way.
I'm pretty sure this boils down to Kansas vs Duke. Most of what I've read points him to Duke. Too bad Sonny Vaccaro isn't still with Adidas... we'd have Ingram and others if he was.
There is no balance in the ShoeCo war.
I saw all the chatter suggests Duke as well. It is what it is if that's the case. And it makes sense because of the locality and Duke needing anyone to fill the roster.
If we do not land Newman, Brown, or Ingram, we seriously have to question our investment of time and effort in the OADs.
If we are able to land Diallo, it will be a big relief. But it won't really change the discussion points after this drama is done, if we whiff otherwise.
Diallo is a must have. Ingram, Brown or Newman -- one of them -- appear to be must-haves in the OAD arena. Are we a player, or aren't we?
If we land one of the perimeter guys, and Diallo, Self's investment of time and effort would seem to have been justified.
If we do not land Diallo then Self screwed up royally not locking Tyler Davis in the summer as you pointed out before. I thought Davis was a lock to KU, then we apparently didn't give him the commitment he wanted. Shame on Self if Diallo goes elsewhere, I'll forever hold that one against him.
@BeddieKU23 The Davis thing was really strange. He seemed like a dead-lock for Kansas. It is perhaps the most stark example of the price we have paid for the OAD dance. Right now, I'd still rather have Davis than Diallo, if given the choice.
Notice the paradox: we vigilantly sweat, yearn, and dream to land "the-next-OAD", yet we've seen the pattern of our system working the best with not-top-10 guys, but still some McDAAs (who were multi-year guys) along with very notable top50 guys like TRob, Morris Twins, Withey, Russell Robinson, EJ, Releford...
Again, I think Self goes for the top guys, simply because he knows many of them will take more than 1 year to become high-draft departures. Look at KY, Dakari Johnson, Doron Lamb, etc...all were supposed OADs, who stayed for more than 1 year. This isn't just a Self-system phenomenon. Takes some guys longer.
Serviceable as a frosh, vs leaving if a lotto pick are not necessarily the same thing. Sometimes they are, like an Okafor or a Julius Randle, but other times not.
@BeddieKU23 So a kid makes a decision based on whatever are in that kid's head (because a top kid like Diallo can go wherever he chooses), but we will go slap Self if that kid chooses elsewhere?
Do you know anything about 7ft "Zeus"/greek god statue Kaleb Tarczewski, that Self was after hard, but he went to AZ? What happened there? Should we "not forgive" Self for that "miss"? If you think so, let me know, and I'll tell you exactly what Self said about Tark's recruitment (simply as 1 example).
This recruiting wanking-off is ZERO different than what's going on over on other school's forums and chat sites. Nothing new.
This is the cold reality of recruiting OAD's. One day you wake up and your left holding the bag. I get going after the best talent but at some point you have to ask yourself when does this become pointless, or where do you draw the line?
These top recruits have had more than enough time and visits to know where they want to, or have to go. What are they waiting on? I always hear such and such school is making a late push and is closing in on such recruit. Really? What kind of pushing are they doing that they could change a kids mind in such a short time?
It used to be a kid knew what college they wanted to attend when they where in junior high. Now they just sit back and let all the offers come in. Kind of makes you think what's in those offers? Huh? I think HCBS should still recruit the best, but I also think he should have a line in the sand. He shouldn't sacrifice the future of the program to chase some kid that is just looking for the best deal. To many quality kids in the 20 to 50 range that want to play for KU, to just dangle in the wind so you can see what a top talent is going to do.
Besides that why would you want to be left standing when the musical chairs of OAD stops?
I am actually good with our current roster. I am letting go of any hopes of landing anyone else in this class. KU has a bunch of glue guys and future NBA'ers kind of like our 2012 team and I believe if given the opportunity Mickelson will flourish this year. Look at Jeff Witheys numbers back in the 10-11 season. They have very similar numbers and I believe he is due for some PT of we don't land Diallo.
@DoubleDD Loved your phrase "many kids in the 20-50 range" (waiting to see what the OADs do), as I think those have been our best kids. I'd even say 10-70 ranked. That 11-20 is guys like Chalmers, EJ, Sherron, Selden, Cole, maybe Rush...and the 51-70ish range can find gems like Mason, Tyshawn, Graham, and possibly Darnell Jackson. But it must be remembered that Jackson wasn't even serviceable his frosh year.
Some kids actually blossom by their Sr year, while others plateau-off, don't know who that will be. I think of the developmental guys, Kaun plateaued off. Jackson steadily improved. Mason is a shooting star, a damn stud. Graham is right there, an outta the park home run find. Lucas has to show us more in his Sr. year, or he's a plateaued guy. Same goes for Jamari--show us more. KYoung was a plateaued player. If he played all 4yrs for us, he may have been more of a stretch 4, instead of just an energy-guy that he was. I still recall his 2 3s vs THEOhioState (lol).
@Statmachine Why do you think Mickelson was so hopelessly stuck behind Lucas and Traylor? I guess I tend to think that won't change much. Plus, Mickelson doesn't appear to be Withey from a skill standpoint at least at present; but Withey looked rough, too. I really worry -- @stupidmichael like -- about our post play in our current system, with our personnel.
Exactly and Mickelson had a full year to learn the system and earn minutes and he could only get them after all else had failed. I was intrigued by Hunter's defensive ability but anyone who watched him knew his feel for the game just lacked. I'm not comfortable that the same roster will produce better results. Adding players that exceed our current players talent is the only way to go at this point and those are becoming harder to find.
"It used to be a kid knew what college they wanted to attend when they where in junior high. Now they just sit back and let all the offers come in. Kind of makes you think what's in those offers? Huh? I think HCBS should still recruit the best, but I also think he should have a line in the sand. He shouldn't sacrifice the future of the program to chase some kid that is just looking for the best deal. To many quality kids in the 20 to 50 range that want to play for KU, to just dangle in the wind so you can see what a top talent is going to do."
I watched "Sole Man" over the weekend and it was like a light bulb going off a hundred times. These kids are probably waiting to get some shoe verbal commitments. There is obviously quite a bit of negotiations going on that none of us are privy to.
I can't believe Self would put himself back in the same position he was in with Tarc... and Diallo isn't even a true 5. He must have some knowledge where he feels we have some leverage, otherwise... he has gambled our entire program off on a long shot. I give him credit for being a guy who learns his lessons in life (eventually). He didn't get to where he is at today strictly by being stubborn. Stubborn works when you are right... but when the recruiting season closes at a blue blood school who couldn't recruit a real 5 in a couple of years, there is nothing right about that!
This is where my head is at right now, otherwise I'd go off on a total destructive rage!
These top recruits have had more than enough time and visits to know where they want to, or have to go. What are they waiting on? I always hear such and such school is making a late push and is closing in on such recruit. Really? What kind of pushing are they doing that they could change a kids mind in such a short time?
Very good point. In the case of Diallo, a coaching change and 2 assistants directly involved with him jumped to the home team so in his case probably a lot has changed. But if he's truly hasn't made his mind up then this recruiting has become an uncontrollable wack job.
The Basketball Diary @TheBBallDiary · 6m6 minutes ago
They are finalist but hearing Kentucky, NC State, UCLA are out of the running for Brandon Ingram. Leaving Duke, Kansas, UNC as potentials.
Couldn't help my self and had to post this...
Self did change his hi/lo last season. He positioned guys differently and had different motion.
Isn't it time he gives his offense a new name? Isn't this a branding issue?
I know I have zero knowledge about what happens behind the recruiting scenes... but does anyone believe that Self's hi/lo ISN'T being used against us on post recruits? Heck yes it is. All the schools competing against us are saying how Self will force these guys to live in the low post. No big wants to do that. And also they will be forced into making their living with back to the basket moves... No big wants to do that.
Maybe we can all help out. Seriously. I bet some recruits check out message boards, too. Since Self doesn't have a marketing background enough to understand branding, we do and we can help. I have two degrees in marketing and spent a lifetime working in sports marketing. This hi-lo horse has run it's last leg. Time to send it out to pasture or shoot it in the head to put it out of its misery.
I'm open to suggestions....
At this moment I'm thinking we call it the "POWER FAN." If you look at the goal from above, the perimeter 3 line makes a 180-degree fan. Our post guys can be positioned anywhere on offense... whether it means a high ball screen, base line, FT line, out on the perimeter to hit their own 3, our out away from the basket to drive it to the hole. We give our post guys full range.
If you look at Perry in last year's offense, he was anything but in a typical hi-lo position. He was bombing 3s from the top of the key or on the sides. He was positioned on the base line and slashed into the paint. He was setup around the FT line as a passing hub. And once in a while he was in the low post to take on a mismatch.
Doesn't get any more diverse than that! But we fail to take advantage of it because of a failure to brand it! If this was a product on the market it would fail without proper branding.
@drgnslayr I call it the get our best scorer the ball where he can do his thing.(Perry) it worked really well til the knee injury.
Duke is putting an all-out recruiting blitz on 5-star wing Brandon Ingram ↗
Our only mention was in the piles of teams being considered.
Maybe this is what we need to get good players. Go KU hotties!!
SBNation article. Some wanna be experts opinion.
@HighEliteMajor Thanks. My takeaway from all of it, and some of the well-articulated thoughts by others here with their impressions, is that Self has the guys that he does, and they each come with what attributes (or not) that they possess. Some will get better, some wont. But Self has who he has by the time it is October. He was once that midmajor coach that took a no-McD Tulsa squad to the E8 and 32-5. Its no different than what Few and Marshall and Shaka showed with an upperclassman squad.
We wistfully see what K did with freshmen, against Bo Ryan's veteran squad, but we also see that Wisc game was up for grabs until the final 60sec or so. Wisc was up 8 with 3-4min. Plus, we saw how pretty NDame looked against WSU, and against KY, where again it came down to the last few possessions. To me, its hard to draw big conclusions from a W that was anybody's game until the final 2min. That of course can be said for Self, if he best squad ever got beat by Davidson or Memphis in '08. Maybe he wouldn't even be here, who knows. But I see his own successes with past schools, teams, and I look for the common denominator (for his system), and it keeps coming up as experience and toughness (to also match some level of 10-70ranked ability). To blow a 17pt lead to IowaSt in the BigXII Tourney Champ game, simply underlined the toughness/poise component was missing. Same thing for the WSU game. Mason and Graham cant do it alone.
When the announcers were saying pregame that WSU's interior could be exploited, and we were simply unable to do it, it simply left me wondering what Cliff or more Hunter could have done. Selden no-show is a big part of the problem, as is letting a 6'4 post player (Wessel) beat you. My take is Self went back to trying to develop the post game, hoping for a lightbulb moment, as no team gets far in the dance without post play....and because Greene fell off due to injury. Problem is Cliff was done, and Ellis wasn't the same either.
To me, Mason's mindset needs to infect the whole team. The experience, finally, after 2 yrs of waiting should be there, along with top 50 talent throughout. But the mindset/attack/baller mentality & some confident swag has got to be there. Chalmers had an abundance of that, as did Collins and Tyshawn. KYo had it, while Lucas is spotty, as is Jamari. Withey developed it. It can be done for the developmental guys, but it takes time.
Its just a complex interplay to me, is all.
@drgnslayr His father Melvin Booker played basketball at the University of Missouri and in the NBA and other professional leagues. He was the 1994 Big 8 POY. Forgive me for the c and p from Wiki.
I thought the biggest factor in the Wisconsin-Duke game was how the refs totally flipped their calls the second half. It was glaring...
Even though I think this way, I also believe the game was for Wisconsin to grab. In my books, they were far superior, especially in experience.
I thought they just played too cautious and didn't attack. Okafor should have had zero impact (IMO) because he should have had his 3rd foul within just a few minutes in the first half. Frank had several opportunities to go to work on him but he would back off and throw the ball out (from the post or baseline). Those were missed opportunities, even more important than their missed FTs.
I will never understand why teams play different in the championship game over the style that brought them there. Wisconsin didn't take advantage of their size and experience in the post. To be honest, I wasn't even expecting this game to be close. Wisconsin should have pounded Duke, and by letting them hang around Duke built momentum.
It was tough to experience because Wisconsin doesn't get many chances at a title, and Duke gets them all the time.
If I caught my daughter doing that I'd cut her tongue out myself.
@drgnslayr Duke had an easier game in semis.
This game is going to hurt for a long time from my perspective. It's going to fester. I hate that it's going to be the refereeing to cause the festering, but it is. My view of UW was they played that game similar to how they've played all year. They did pass it too much, but they always passed it too much. They wouldn't pound it inside when it seemed to be the best strategy
Duke gets calls. For that matter KU gets calls sometimes too. I still can't get out of my mind the FT discrepancy in 1986 when we played puke in the final four. The count was 26-14 which resulted in a 30-12 FT disparity. KU outshot Duke, outrebounded Duke, out assisted Duke. They didn't keep stats for TO's apparently but I'd guess we out turnovered them too. Manning, Dreiling and Cedric Hunter all fouled out. Archie Marshall's injury when we were leading led to their referee assisted comeback.
I sure hope KU gets back to the point that we can beat Duke and Kentucky in meaningful games. It could come soon, or we may have to wait a while, we'll see.
@wissoxfan83
I was at Reunion arena-they took out Marshall on a lay-up-RUINED his knee...NO CALL.
@JayhawkRock78 I didn't have the exact memory of that but it's not surprising.
I remember that.
I saw a tweet today that said St. John's was slipping because of some recent developments, but no details were given. Wondering if you had any intel on that.
Ingram seems to be giving the ACC the last word on his recruitment.
Is your social media intel program capturing any trends this afternoon?
@wissoxfan83
I am 90 % sure about the no call. He was under the backboard a LONG time. After the collision and He was shooting a lay-up. In my mind nobody shot a free throw after they carried him off.
Ingram is to Duke what Diallo is to KU, the primary recruiting target based on need. No question that Duke will go all out to get Ingram...it sure would be nice to steal one from rat face.
@JayHawkFanToo I have a weird feeling that we get Ingram, only a feeling, not based on facts.
@SoftballDad2011 I have an opinion on Diallo and Ingram BUT I really don't like sticking my neck out there because I would hate it if people on here started telling me that my info stinks. I will not give you my opinion but I will tell you what I have found in my recent searches.
I might have looked at Diallo's FB to find out he is friends with more UK players and UK NBA'ers than he is with KU guys. It has been said that he has talked to Embiid and he is friends with him on FB along with Svi (our only 2 foreign guys in recent memory). He did have over 3000 friends so its kind of hard to recognize every one of his friends on FB that could possibly be trying to steer him in the UK direction but give me some time I'm kind of new to this. The recent uptick in the UK 247 CB is only due to all the media buzz that's going down atm. Just google "Cheick Diallo" and the first 20 results or more are all UK articles written in the last 24 hrs. There probably is some actual truth to it since coach Cal just visited him. I know Diallo has said he wants minutes and is not fond of the platoon thing at UK. There are already 3 other quality bigs at UK so you do the math. Everything on twitter up until Diallos meeting with Cal was KU, KU, KU now its a bag of mixed nuts but there are still more KU nuts in the bag. I would watch Matt Scotts 247 CB and if it changes then start warring.
Trey Scott @TreyScott247 · 41s42 seconds ago
Cheick Diallo's twitter activity suggests something might be about to go down http://247sports.com/Player/Cheick-Diallo-27331 ↗ …
_cd13 @cheick_diallo13 · 4m4 minutes ago
It's been a long 3 years. Just wanted to thanks all the coaches who recruited me and stopped by my school appreciated
_cd13 @cheick_diallo13 · 7m7 minutes ago
@cheick_diallo13 all the fans who followed my journey.All my teammates, my coaches teachers who's make me a better thanks and Love y'all
Please keep us informed; you effort is greatly appreciated.
Kentucky reaches out to three-star center. With the missed opportunity to add Stephen Zimmerman or Mike Thorne, and a roster in need of another big body, John Calipari has now reached out to yet another former Charlotte 49er. http://kentuckysportsradio.com/main/kentucky-reaches-out-to-three-star-center/ ↗ Does this make a statement about Diallos decision?
Diallo had an in home visit with Calipari tonight didn't he?
Edit .. sorry, that was yesterday.
3-star? WOW! He really is desperate; I thought that 3-start were not allowed to wear UK unis.
Jerry Meyer @jerrymeyer247
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.@Jhawk0505 I'm not hearing positive things about St. John's chances to land Cheick Diallo.
@JayHawkFanToo No, they can. But with a scarlet A.
@Statmachine as always, thanks for all the good info and hard work.
I thought Pitt had been out of it for a while and ISU's chances also went down when the coach recruiting him went to St. John's. I would say it is between KU and St. John's with a late (hopefully too late) push by UK...
@JayHawkFanToo I am guessing it was a Pitt or ISU fan that photo shopped that for Diallo.
Here I am rooting we get an OAD. I long for the days where we can throw it into the post of an easy basket.
@HighEliteMajor At this point something is better than nothing BUT I hear what you are saying.
@Statmachine Man how I loved TRob. My favorite player of the Self era. Diallo's got a lot of TRob in him.
@Statmachine Your picture above about gave me a heart attack. All I saw was the St. John's above Diallo.
@HighEliteMajor Mine too BUT I think we all grieved for him and his sister to a large degree. I think we all connected on an emotional level that wanted to protect him either as a brother or parent looking out for their young. He was also such a presents on the court! BEAST
@Statmachine I just can't imagine a better power forward in Self's system. He and Withey were quite a combo down low. By the way, great work on this recruiting stuff.
Ok, I'm playing this twitter game. Perry Ellis just followed Diallo tonight.
@HighEliteMajor Thank you and I enjoy your work on buckets too. I hope you all can stomach my horrible spelling and punctuation but I just don't want to take the time to do it right. I also have 15 different feeds going sifting through info to see how accurate I can get with recruiting by the time late night gets here.
Iverson called and said...Spelling? Are we talking about spelling? As long as the info is good who cares about spelling. :)
Cheick Diallo recently frended Christian Garrett on FB. That's an interesting find?
Diallo announcement could be coming soon...
Christian Garret, the ultimate team player...
@Statmachine it's more typing than spelling. We all do it.
I'm loving the recent vibes i'm reading on here. I will do some celebrating if/when he commits to KU thats for sure. The guy is going to be a difference maker next year, i have no doubt about it.
I've been sharing info with my wife about everything. She isn't great with remembering names but has coined him "Diablo." I'm kinda digging the nickname actually, haha.
@RockkChalkk Rock cheick will be on lots of posters? Was meant to be!
"Cheick Diallo recently frended Christian Garrett on FB. That's an interesting find?"
Finds like that give me more hope than reading all the sports babble from all those recruiting sites.
I became Cheick's friend tonight. I think it bodes well.
@jaybate-1.0 keep it short, don't scare him off! Jk
@drgnslayr another interesting fact is that 4 guys from the 2015-2016 team are following Bragg. 2 guys from the 2015-2016 team are following Diallo. 8 guys from the 2015-2016 team following Ingram. I think the chances of us landing Ingram are better than anyone might think.
@Statmachine what 2015-16 kids? U mean our kids?
@Crimsonorblue22 next years Kansas men's basketball team. Sorry I should have mentioned that
I've never been too worried about Diallo. I had a strong indication that he was coming to KU when Cliff jumped.
I'm following Ingram more so than Diallo. I mentioned yesterday through some interesting developments that Ingram was choosing KU:
1. He would've chosen UNC in the Fall.
If you're going to stay home, why wait so long to announce? If your leaning Dook, then choose already. But instead, Dook visits once and then 2-3 days later are back? It's odd to say the least. If you have a player why return for such a quick back to back visit?
He's friends with Bragg. This is my biggest reason for him picking KU. I really think Bragg has worked hard and got him fairly early. But Ingram seems to respect his in-state coaches and decides to give them a chance.
Green is out for a while and we need instant results at the 3. Svi won't be quite ready, but will definitely have a good season.
I don't exactly know what Self discussed with Ingram, but something tells me maybe a few past players were featured in the pitch to Ingram: Brandon...Rush? or a Ben McLemore? All a bit smaller, but very comparable and provides KU with some competitive ammunition against Rat Face and his NC season.
This actually benefits Ingram because NBA scouts will have the university games to scout him and its more national exposure.
Free Press Sports @KinstonSports · 11m11 minutes ago
RT @tonybruton: Brandon Ingram moved all the way up to 3rd in the latest ESPN 2015 ranking.
@Statmachine I doubt his thinking is quite that strategic, but he definitely has increased his national exposure. I think he's torn between staying in N Carolina and going where he belongs. He belongs at KU, but his heart is in N Carolina. I mentioned before that if he chooses a Carolina school, he will lose a lot of fellow Carolina folks from his fanbase. However, it may seem hokie, but if he chooses KU, it's a much better situation. He makes a fair pick by not picking one Carolina school over another and he gets to go where he has a good friend.
He's in the same recruiting boat as Ellis. Remember, Ellis had KU, KState, and WSU all three recruiting him. Obviously he chose KU, and hasn't had much of a backlash. But Ingram seems really torn with Carolina. I kinda feel for him to choose another Carolina school at this point.
Ingram is simply torn between staying home with Dook or leaving out of state to KU. REMEMBER: he said that staying home was NOT a big deal. I really don't think UNC or NCSt is much of an option right now. I still think by choosing Dook he feels bad for the other two Carolina schools. So his best choice is KU.
All I know if he does choose KU, he needs Hudy more than anything. I think Hudy needs to get his weight program ready....hehe
@truehawk93 gotta think Hudy would be big(skinny)!
@drgnslayr How about we go with "BAD BALL." Kansas should be branded as the team that plays BAD BALL and that this is the wave of the future. Tell all the recruits (and encourage other recruiters to tell them) that Bill Self will make you play BAD BALL! The top tier recruits will beat a path to our doorstep--Bank on it!
Could it be that Diallo became instant friends with Perry when he visited KU and thus became a Twitter/FB friend and there's not much more to read into it than that?
@wissoxfan83 I think the speculation is that he followed Perry ab 1 hour after posting the picture w all the schools above him, not when he met Perry from when he visited KU.
I can see it now.
We hire Dennis Rodman as an assistant coach. Surely we can find a dozen players out there who care more about defense than offense.
Did the bio on Rodman. He attended Cooke County CC... is that the penitentiary or school? 2x NBA Defensive Player of the Year, 7x All-Defensive First Team, 7x NBA Rebounding Champion, 2x NBA All-Star, 5x NBA Champion.
And to toughen up the troops every year we'll go on an exhibition tour through North Korea. Give them a concept of how tough life can be.
I'm game for that over directly copying Calipari's recruiting philosophy.
I am now Diallos friend on FB and I guess you all could be too. If you're interested in being FB friends with Diallo then send him a friend request. Chances are he will add you.
Not to be a negator on Bad Ball, but how about we run a more diverse offense and actually vary our screening patterns and our personnel placement? And perhaps .. just perhaps .. work a touch harder to get those three ball looks? These are not complex adjustments. Our current offense can easily be adjusted to make it more dynamic.
Don't be confused, the offense we ran late with four out/one in (the weave) late was not an "offense" that you can rely on. It was a simplistic stop gap. One that you could teach a bunch of 7th graders in a few practice sessions. It has its place, to use as a change up .. and of course, to use until it is stopped. But it's not anything we want to rely on.
@wissoxfan83 said:
I still can't get out of my mind the FT discrepancy in 1986 when we played puke in the final four.
I was 14 during our Final Four run that year and THAT was the game that cemented the knowledge that I had become a die-hard Jayhawk fan and there was no turning back.
I can recall the flat top hair cuts, the red jerseys, lots of tears and lots cursing at the refs, the TV and the universe for the injustices I witnessed in that game. I remember being so incensed after the final buzzer sounded I stormed upstairs to my room only to pause in the hallway and put my heel through the wall in a fit of rage. (My dad subsequently put his foot through my posterior for such ridiculous behavior).
It was also the moment my hatred for all things Duke bubbled up to the surface. Not even Missouri can surpass the amount of disdain I have for that team from Durham. Duke is far and away my most despised team in college basketball and it's not close. The fact that they still seem to get all the calls, get all the bounces to go their way and lead an all-around charmed existence chaps me to the core. It just never seems like they win on their own merit, even though they consistently pull in the talent to do so. Anytime Duke loses, it's a banner day for me. I was pulling hard for your boys this season, but I guess even skill and experience are no match for serendipity.
C'est la vie.
@tis4tim my favorite team to hate always has been and always will be Mizzou.
Having said that, I'm also not a big fan of Coach Ratface and his evil minions. I hate them, but as much as it pains me, how do you not respect a guy with 5 National Championships?
I can take Duke winning, bad as it pains me, but if Mizzou ever made it to the Final Four - I'd probably never watch college ball again.
lol. great slogan! I hope your boy wore the shirt with the utmost pride and now has it framed.
The irony of my story? After college I lived in the Carolinas for 15 years and most of my good friends were Duke fans. Recently, my dentist suggested I get a bite guard to wear while sleeping because he thinks I grind my teeth at night. Frankly, I KNOW it's from 15 years of gritting my teeth around those ... "people". I just don't think he believes me. :)
BREAKING NEWS!!! Diallo likes Emily Emy on his fb lol...
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Not too shabby
If Mizzou could ever win anything significant, I might dislike them more. As it stands, Duke not only wins, but over the years has put an end to our season more times than I'd like to acknowledge. Throw in the cheap shots, the free throw excesses, Archie Marshall's career-ending injury, Christian Laettner, more Plumlee brothers than the Baldwin clan and any number of Duke players whose faces I'd like to put my heel through (Quin Snyder, Cherokee Parks, Danny Ferry, Jon Sheyer, Steve Wojciechowski, etc.) and it's Duke in a landslide for me.
Kim K lookalike.
@Crimsonorblue22 That's how most non KU fans feel about us. Arrogant, Blue-Bloods, Snobs.
Guess that's what happens when you're the second winningest (?) program in the history of the Universe. I scoff at all those other peon colleges.......
"when I think of Duke I think of the word entitled. That's how I think they feel. I always thought they looked alike too."
You are not alone.
Did you see the 30 for 30 "I hate Laettner!"?
It shows why everyone that doesn't go to Duke hates them.
Looking Better! Do our recruits realize they get free trips to the KU Med Center Dermatology Clinic?!
"Not to be a negator on Bad Ball, but how about we run a more diverse offense and actually vary our screening patterns and our personnel placement? And perhaps .. just perhaps .. work a touch harder to get those three ball looks? These are not complex adjustments. Our current offense can easily be adjusted to make it more dynamic."
So are you saying we should run a better offense so we don't have to pressure our defense to keep our opponents below 50 ppg in order to win?
@drgnslayr I will probably get blocked for that but what the heck! I posted it to his wall...!DIALLO.jpg ↗
All that's on Ingram's twitter is dook this and dook that. Doesn't look good. He is not getting enough love from KU fans. I am starting to think he's Dook bound. The only thing I can say is he IS following the entire KU team. But our fans really need to step it up!
@drgnslayr that wasn't nice! They're young men!
Talk about Darnell Valentine-like thunder thighs, is she a weightlifter?...I guess you would have to be to lifts those huge whatchamacallits... :)
@JayHawkFanToo I work at Chevrolet and she is "Like a rock" or a brick shit house.!DIALLO.jpg ↗
"But our fans really need to step it up!"
I tried to friend him but it says he has reached the maximum on FB.
So i'm doing a little reading between the lines here but I think Ingram told K in his first in-home visit that his team was looking a bit thin, especially at point, and was his reason for not committing there. K says let me see what I can do and lets meet again before you decide. Then K convinces a HS junior PG to reclassify and join the team and is hoping that will fix the problem.
What scares me is that Ingram said in the special on ESPNU tonight that the move does make a big difference. But for real, how often does a true freshmen run a team well at PG? Its very rare. Now Duke thinks they will have what should be a HS-senior running their team? Lol, come on man. I'm hoping he is smart enough to see how desperate of a move this is. Would he rather go to Duke where they have a HS-senior running their team or KU where they have an experienced collegiate Junior running the point?
Crossing my fingers and hoping Ingram doesn't fall victim to the smoke and mirror show by K. Him and Cheick would make KU a definite championship contender next year if they commit.
Also, just saw on twitter:
"Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanESPN
St. John’s freshman center Adonis De La Rosa is transferring -- per school."
He is a 7'-0" 322-lb three star center. Does it seem like to anyone else too like the storm may be trying to carve out some more minutes for Diallo???
@RockkChalkk crud! Haven't they signed a few?
Also, Brandon Sampson that had committed re-opened his recruiting after Lavin left and now he is going to LSU. If they lose Diallo it will be a pretty rocky start for Mullins.
@Statmachine Illegal...DAAAAAAAAAANG
@drgnslayr Even better.
Good grief...Coach K must really be worried about Ingram or just has a down right man crush on the kid. In fact, it appears he's stalking Ingram. Whatever is happening, Coach K has taken an uncharacteristic approach to get Ingram.
I love it, because Ingram has either indicated that he's going to another Carolina school or out of state. Either way, it's nice to watch Coach K panick like its the last few minutes of a championship game and he's down 1-2 pts. Let's see if he nails the trey for the win.
I'll puke if that rat pulls down Jeter, Thornton, and Ingram at the last minute.
@truehawk93 saw a pic, Ingram didn't look happy!
@Statmachine I think Carlton Bragg is our best recruiter. He's in Ingram's ear more than Rat Face ever will. I hope Bragg can pull him in from Rat Face's influence. But you have to love the fact that he hasn't committed to Dook already. I think if he was going to Dook or UNC, he would commit already.
Why?
@Crimsonorblue22 What pic? Do you have a link?
If Jeff Capel is recruiting Ingram for Coach K...I will puke twice if they pull him into Cameron. I can't believe Capel can out recruit Self and Roberts...No way in hell. Maybe Capel did start out recruiting him. Maybe Capel visited him this last weekend. Maybe Coach K realized he was sending a boy to do a man's job. Capel is a sorry excuse for a coach. The best player he got lucky with at OU was Blake Griffin and that was because he was in Oklahoma about 15-20 miles North of Norman. Jeff Capel can't recruit his way out of a room full of top recruits. He's terrible and a failure as a head coach. He tucked tail and ran back to his daddy Rat Face in Durham. Capels getting hugs and kisses since that return.
If Dook thinks Capel is Rat's successor, I'll laugh my head off with each loss Dook sustains. Capel will run the program into the ground. It will be a lot like UNC before they finally pulled Roy from KU. I remember when Matt Doherty tried to coach UNC, it wasn't pretty.
Yeah, yeah...In 1992 he became an assistant for Roy Williams at Kansas, two men who would cross paths a decade later under much different circumstances.
link text ↗ I'm warning you now, don't click the next coach after Capel.
Funny when this overpaid coach thing was posted, it was before Calipari won it in 2012. It shows Self, Donovan, and Calipari as overpaid. Self got another F4 in 2012 and a NC game too. All the other coaches had no F4s and no NCs.
@Crimsonorblue22 He looks uncomfortable. Look at the number of Dook coaches in that pic. Rat Face has his arm around Ingram's dad. GOOD Grief what a tool. Coach K is terribly desperate and Ingram needs to see right through it.
I remember when Self went to see Okafor and he posted a lot of stuff about Self and his dad. Self even took a Selfie with Okafor's dad. But look where he ended. Rat Face didn't hit Okafor and Jones this hard at all. Why? Because he had them at some point. He's got Ingram in a trap, not a full-court press. You step through the trap and you will get fouled. In fact, Jones recruited Okafor to Dook with all that packaged deal stuff. Now, it's KU's turn. Bragg and Ingram need to recruit as a package deal. Come on Bragg, bring Ingram to the Phog.
@Crimsonorblue22 Is that Elton Brand closest to the camera by Ingram?
It sure is...Dang what is Coach K doing? Bringing all past Dookies to recruit Ingram. Pretty sad.
Jon Scheyer looks like a dork.
@truehawk93 the pic creeps me out!!
Maybe this will make you feel better...
I saw other pics and visits. Ingram had his arm around the other coaches. But this was early in October. Things have changed drastically.
Someone needs to remind Brandon and his dad that's "Eleven" rings now.
Don't get too sick or barf too much...
!Roy.jpg ↗ !Jerry Stackhouse.jpg ↗ !NCSt Jan.jpg ↗
Poor NCSt...It never got off to a good start. Remember, KU came in a little late for Ingram. I think all things considered, KU has made up the most ground after being so late to the party.
The pic of the dookies and Ingrams is funny. Both Brandon and his dad don't look too confident. They have a very apprehensive look that doesn't give a good indication of their intentions. Again, all the KU stuff is too early to give any indication of KU's chances. Hopefully Bragg is reminding him that we will be playing a lot of ball this Summer.
He looks best w/our group! Just saying!! adidas shirt too.
@Crimsonorblue22 LOL...it's all about the SHOES.
I am pretty sure UNC is out for Ingram after calling him a LIAR
@Statmachine what?
UNC spokesperson said they have not received a notice of allegations. Brandon Ingram saying UNC received notice from NCAA on April 17
Ben Swain @TheBenSwain · 40m40 minutes ago Durham, NC
Breaking: UNC spokesperson calls Brandon Ingram a liar
@Statmachine thx! Good sign?
I think Dook is in the lead for Ingrams services BUT if Diallo signs with KU before monday it could be just enough to put us in the lead. KU will return its 3 leading scorers Ellis, Mason, and Selden. Imagine a front court of Diallo, Ellis, and Bragg with a back court of Mason, Selden, Ingram, Svi, Greene, and Graham. That's big time! Its 9 guys that I feel comfortable that we do not drop in production when we sub.
No question that Ingram is Duke's #1and only target and they sure are putting on the full court press with all the heavyweights. They have now a "potential" replacement for Tyus Jones and with Ingram they are back to having a championship caliber team; without him they fall behind UNC and UVa in the ACC.
Brandon Ingram @B_Ingram13
· 2h 2 hours ago
Stay positive.
I replied to his tweet with this lol
@B_Ingram13 Move away from the in state pressure and go to KU. You will get your own nutritionist and a weight trainer to get you ready!
and
https://instagram.com/p/1yldRXKiEQ/ ↗
The UNC liar thing was bizarre. Roy is having an in home? Awkward
Biancardi is a fool. I can't wait for Ingram to commit to KU. They all have him going anywhere but KU. They even think he'll go to UK before KU. UK is loaded at the 3. They even think Ingram will go UK if they get Brown. They pretty much guarantee him to Puke.
Basically Ingram will go anywhere but KU. One expert even said Ingram would compete with Svi at the 3 with Green questionable.
Ingram compete with Svi? Svi is good and will be great but there's no comparison. Ingram may be close to Wiggins talent. I hope Ingram gets a gut full of Wiggins.
Brandon...talk to the NBA Rookie of the year and he'll tell you why KU?
Biancardi has a dead simple job... he just writes "will stay close to home" on all the unknown recruits.
Are UNC fans getting ready for a new coach? This post seems to indicate that Coach Williams stay at UNC might not last long ↗, particularly if any of the allegations stick...
@JayHawkFanToo that doesn't sound good for their program!
If even part of the allegations stick. the "death penalty" is not that far fetched. Looks like Coach Williams is in a tough spot.
I guess Ingram doesn't want to take African and Afro-American Studies at UNC and defiantly doesn't want to take Swahili classes where he will NOT learn to speak ONE word in Swahili. I guess he doesn't want to have to lie about it like UNC is doing right now and smearing Ingram's name in it. If I were Ingram's parents and ol Roy was Lying about what he told my child to cover his ass I would be furious. I would record the conversation tonight when Roy trying to backtrack and hand it to the media.
Uncommitted 5-Star SF Brandon Ingram Says He Was Told UNC Received NCAA Allegations On April 17
I wonder who in the world told Brandon this? I think a rat face blue devil?
Joey Powell
@Joey_Powell Roy taking Brandon Ingram some eastern NC BBQ? Yeah, maybe #UNC ain't out of this thing yet! #TomatoBasedSauceIsGarbage
Statmachine @calanr · 47s47 seconds ago
@Joey_Powell I doubt Ingram wants to take Afro-American Studies and defiantly doesn't want to take Swahili BUT he will take the BBQ. LOL
You might have the correct answer and it has a different shade of Blue. Rat face ratting on Roy...
he's going to Duke..
@BeddieKU23 Interesting comment...It's not over till it's over. I went and reviewed his @B_Ingram13 and found some interesting comments by people who may know him a bit, but then again maybe not. I have a slight feeling he just might commit to KU. I may be wrong. It won't be the first or last time either. But all interesting and some pro-KU posts too:
Momma Murphy
@MomofBallers In all seriousness, Brandon needs to go where it's best for HIM!! We will support him wherever he goes. @B_Ingram13 #BISupporter
Davin K Gutierres @dkg_hilife · Apr 21
@MomofBallers Agreed but the coaches at UNC & Duke wont let him leave the state. The fans would go nuts if he left the state..lol.
Davin K Gutierres @dkg_hilife · Apr 21
@MomofBallers Good Point but you also want to leave the nest & see what else is out there.
Momma Murphy @MomofBallers · Apr 21
@dkg_hilife True! I guess we'll find out on Monday. I know this decision won't come lightly & he knows what will feel like home.
M Allen @crimsonblu22 · Apr 21
@MomofBallers @B_Ingram13 I can only tell u that he will be loved at KU! FOE! You will love it there, promise💙🏀❤️!
Momma Murphy @MomofBallers · Apr 21
@pquaife He is making a big decision. He & his family know any front runners. If KU is it, then I will support him, just like I do DTae!
Patrick Quaife @pquaife · Apr 21
@MomofBallers Totally understand, didn't mean harm. You're awesome, enjoy your tweets. & that's sweet about Graham, he's going to be great!
Momma Murphy @MomofBallers · Apr 21
@pquaife No harm done! DTae is awesome! Always knew he had it in him. KU was a great move for him.
The "Liar" thing is a dual killer for both programs. IF another recruiting rep from say Duke made this claim, leaving Ingram with the confidence that it was all right to use that in an interview, then we have a Carolina dilemma. On one hand, if say Coach K, Capel or Scheyer said this to him only to be let down, how can Ingram trust Duke? How could a player trust a coaching staff that gives you false information?
Then you have UNC who was the direct object of that "Lie" is now in an odd situation with these allegations. They are defending and in full damage control. Ingram has got to be reviewing the whole mess and thinking of just getting out from under the circumstances. If he goes to Duke after making that comment, it looks really bad. If he goes to UNC with any sanctions, he's shooting himself in the foot. It presents a young man that is extremely impressionable with a serious decision. A decision that became unusually difficult. This might just be in KU's favor when it's all said and done. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he stays and goes to either Carolina program.
Now, I'm getting more concerned about Diallo. I thought he was a strong KU commitment. But now, some other program may be making some strong arguments. I wonder if his concluding remarks in the form of thanking everyone was his way of saying, "enough said, it's time to make a decision." These coaches that are making ridiculous and desperate attempts at additional recruiting pitches are pathetic. I'm glad Self made a single last attempt and respected both Ingram and Diallo to let them make a decision. I just can't see these kids going after the coach that is "harassing" them with additional visits.
Did everyone read Bragg's "sales pitch" to Newman?
The Kansas Sell
Carlton Bragg, Villa Angela-St. Joseph (Cleveland, Ohio), F, 2015
“OK, Malik I’ve been texting you all day anyway but check it out our fan base is crazy, we’re going to Europe in the preseason and how many teams can say that? Plus, we’ve got Coach Self, the best coach in the country, and he let’s you play your game and be you on the court. Oh and the girls! We’ve got all the girls you could want! And what’s better than playing at the Fieldhouse? I mean c’mon now!”
@truehawk93 wonder if Bragg is talking to the other 2?
@Crimsonorblue22 My understanding is that Bragg has been working both Ingram and Diallo. I guess he's been working Newman. Why would he be working Newman if KU didn't have a snowball's chance in hell? Maybe we are all wrong on Newman. Maybe Bragg has heard or knows something encouraging or hopeful from Newman. I guess it's possible. Why not?
Hudy would be "huge" for both Ingram and diallo!
@Crimsonorblue22 Hudy is huge for any recruit.
Hey if he doesn't choose Duke than I'll fully admit I'm wrong. All the evidence just points to him joining them now that they got a PG. He grew up a dukie fan.
@BeddieKU23 I just don't consider their guy a PG. I mean, sure that is his position but what are the odds he is actually effective? The guy should be a HS senior and is going to run a college offense well? I highly doubt it. Mason has proven to be a stud at the position, hoping Ingram sees it the same way as I do and goes with the team with the proven guy over the team with the unproven and highly questionable high school kid running their team.
Look at this thread... full of girls, gold and diamonds... and promises.
Time to pull out the big weapons... video games!
@RockkChalkk I hope you're right. ESPN has him ranked as the 17th overall player. Another year in HS would defininetly help, but he sounds like a stud. At first I thought it would be like Svi, but his impact should be much greater than that.
Rumors sparked on social media that Newman has already sent his papers in to Mississippi State. His father, Horatio Webster, denied that claim.
"Who the hell would fill it out for him?" Webster said. "The scholarship papers are on the dresser in my house."
Mr. Webster, I can tell you it sure wasn't KU because we have no reason to make such ridiculous speculations.
Someone's sure setting themselves up for a fall. Too bad these recruits and their parents can't pinpoint who is spreading these rumors or causing so much with their recruiting, especially Ingram and Newman. But, in the end, they'll likely go to the program that is causing all this stink. I guess it's all part of the process.
Thornton is a very good player. Have you seen him play?
He ran the show for Findlay prep with Trier at SG. When matched up against PG's he would dominate them with his ability to pass, get to the lane, and make perimeter shots. From what I say in games was a more than capable replacement for Jones & a guy who didn't need another year. I thought he was the top PG regardless of 15 or 16 class.
What will hurt Duke with just Thornton is the fact that cook graduated who was the other primary ball-handler and there going to ask their other guys to share duties when they don't naturally play that position.
But as far as Duke getting a PG, it was convenient enough in time for Ingram's double visit with Coach K to seal the deal.
@BeddieKU23 Well, at this point, the media is the source of Ingram and the "lie." The media also reported that Newman had sent his papers to Mississippi St U too. The media is also pushing Ingram to Dook.
The media is driving all the false speculation. I know 24/7 has him at 70% or more to Dook. Well, until he actually decides, I won't believe anything the media, experts, or "insiders" are saying, because they obviously don't know anything. They want to know and they want you to read their dribble. Don't believe the "evidence" the media is claiming to write. Let's wait and hear it straight from the recruits.
If he's not getting enough beef I may know where some high quality angus is being raised. Right in our pasture! Too bad we can't legally share. I know how these animals are treated from birth until they are loaded on the truck to leave the feedyard that my father manages (whole life). You are right they are implanted with hormones in the ear as soon as they arrive to increase rate of gain and then are fed hormones the last 40 days to increase water retention.
Some on here have massive gardens to spend their spare time, I have a little cow herd; forty momma cows and hopefully 40 calves when it's all said and done. Oh, and a little garden.
I agree about the media aspect of what your saying. But if Newman & Ingram both go where the press is saying then what else is there to say. Usually where there is smoke there is fire??
I hope the press and wrong and all 4 (Newman, Diallo, Brown, Ingram) go where the media isn't pushing them too. We will certainly see where the domino's start falling today.
media 1 for 1 now..
@BeddieKU23 I still don't believe the media. Newman was way too obvious, but most had him going to UK and many UK thought he would commit. I'm glad he chose Mississippi St.
