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Our Savior Varsity Basketball ↗

"Jesus Never Stops" ..... perhaps because He was found ineligible and had to flip burgers at McDs because his D1 ineligibility screwed up his NBA potential...

"Our Savior New American School (OSNAS) is a private Christian School that offers a strong academic approach to education in grades Pre K- 12. Some of the distinctive features of the school are: the teaching with an evangelical Christian Perspective, a strong Phonics program for reading, small classes, and an orderly peaceful environment that is rooted in love of Our Savior Jesus Christ.

Hi, I’m Pastor Ron Stelzer. I have been privileged to be the head coach of the varsity boys basketball team at Our Savior New American School, a school I helped found over twenty years ago."

*I can see how players and parents might think this school is legit with the NCAA.

Our Savior HS Academics ↗

"Our Savior New American School is registered and approved by New York State Regents. Our High School curriculum offers general academic and college prep programs. The curriculum offers courses in core subjects, lab science, computers, advanced math, and fine arts. Electives are offered in Foreign Languages (Latin, French and Spanish), American Experience, Criminal Justice, Drama, Music and Choir. In addition, OSNAS offers Honors level and Advanced Placement Courses in: United States History, English Writing Composition, English Literature, American Government, Calculus and Chemistry. The courses are taught at the college level and present a challenge for the advanced student."

*If this is true... then why is the NCAA potentially not satisfied?

Our Savior Graduation Requirements ↗

28 Credits and 3 Christian mission projects are required for graduation.

The required number of credits per subject area for graduation are listed below:

4 Credits
Bible
English
Math
Social Studies

3 Credits
Foreign Language
Science

2 Credits
Electives
Physical Education

.5 Credit
Art
Comparative World Views
Computer
Health
Logic
Public Speaking

*Maybe I can't count... but I counted that to add up to 29 credits instead of 28. Is this curriculum typical for HS? "Christian missions?" Do you get HS credit for handing out doughnuts to homeless people?

*Here are their REAL accreditation standards:

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Here is what the NCAA requires for eligibility in D1:

http://www.ncaa.org/static/2point3/ ↗

*My question: Why doesn't the NCAA set up their standards and accredit High Schools (and promote that with an accreditation symbol) so players and their parents aren't hoodwinked into making a mistake that could cost them dearly?

Here is a photo of their campus. Looks more like a small church...

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@drgnslayr @wissoxfan83 will know requirements, but here you need 1 semester of government.

When the principal/headmaster is also the basketball coach and they've got kids coming in as boarders my radar goes up a little bit. I describe myself as an evangelical Christian and I've seen too many schools started with the Christian name that then go on with their mission to dominate a particular sport in their state. I can't say that's the case here obviously, but I take a show me attitude towards many of these places. They're all over Louisiana and many were started in the aftermath of Brown v. Topeka so their little Christian children didn't have to integrate with the African American kids. Shameful.

Right now I'm hoping that OSNAS is as legit as it comes, not only for our own selfish desire for Jayhawk domination, but also because those people are going to be judged if their motivation is not what they say it is.

@drgnslayr

My daughter attended Bishop Miege HS, a Catholic school and she had to do a number of community service hours every single semester and it was a "school" requirement, like most every Catholic school has, for graduation; it was not a state requirement.

@JayHawkFanToo

So as a "school requirement" does it take away from "academic requirements" that may impact NCAA D1 eligibility?

I'm not against kids getting real life experience as part of their education. That is probably a great idea. But not if it comes via dilution of the academics.

Did you follow the links over to their site? As a responsible parent, do you see any red flags on this school on if your child would receive NCAA eligibility?

@drgnslayr Cheick also took classes at KU. Wont that count for something?

@drgnslayr Bishop Miege has never had issues getting kids eligible to play NCAA sports as far as I'm aware. Travis Releford was a Miege product and at least 3 of KU's current football players (QB's Montell Cozart and Ryan Willis, and WR Tre Parmalee) were Miege products and none of them had any issues going through the clearinghouse.

I also don't know how long OSNAS has been a school that takes in top level basketball recruits, but if that's a fairly new direction for the school, they probably need to tweak their academics so they don't run into hardships like Prime Prep has.

I do like your idea of having an NCAA accreditation on a private school's website that is a known sports factory like Oak Hill or Bishop Gorman. It would be really helpful for the lesser known or newer schools to help attract potential kids if they know ahead of time they won't have issues getting through the Eligibility Center at a particular school and save kids from the same fate as Emmanuel Mudiay and others at Prime Prep who were never cleared.

@Lulufulu

I am really the wrong one to ask. My guess is that the classes he has taken would influence his eligibility next year.

@drgnslayr

The community service was "in addition" to all the academic work required. Catholic schools, even at the parochial/elementary/middle school level, always have made it clear that part of the student curriculum includes contributing to society by doing community work. I believe it is a real good thing to get student to become contributing members of society from an early age; a much better option to be working in a soup kitchen than sitting in front of the TV playing Play Station or glued to their cell phone twitting...social work is better than social media.

@JayHawkFanToo

"...social work is better than social media."

For sure!

A friend of mine when I was growing up always got into trouble. He ended up departing the rest of us kids and headed off to military school, and also to a Catholic school.

I later hooked up with him again and asked him which one was tougher.... he said... "hmmmm, about a tie!"

What I like about both of these types of school is the discipline. They really straightened out my friend and I think most kids can benefit from it.

@drgnslayr I think you'll find that many Christian schools started from a church where parents were unhappy with what they were seeing in public schools. I know that's why our last son was educated from day one in Christian schools. Once he reached hs, he got a list every year of where he could complete his social work requirements, which was usually done on weekends.

@drgnslayr I seem to remember Coach Self saying the NCAA has all his educational documents. All of them. Am I mistaken? If I am right, then they are taking an extraordinary amount of time in reviewing them.

The way I see it, there have been four players to come out of Diallo's highschool, including him. 2 have been cleared and one was not. So, 2 of 3 have been cleared. That gives him about a 66% chance of being cleared. Unless my stats math is way off. I'll take those odds. Id rather they were higher, in our favor.

I still think he will get cleared. How long it takes is the question though. My Bday is a couple weeks before the start of the first non conference game. Id love to have my bday wish come true. Id be #jacked!!

@Lulufulu Kobie Eubanks did not get declared ineligible because of OSNAS, it was the school he attended prior that submitted 3 different GPA's that cause all of his issues.