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Dotson, Dedric, and Q all got invited to the combine. Silvio got a invite to the G league combine. ( never knew there was such a thing)

Unbelievable Q got an invite.

Wow - -Quentin gets an invite - -BUT Silvio gets a " G " invite - - that's almost laughable

Q is going to really get exposed against the competition there. But hey, you do you kid. Sucks for Silvio. I know he doesn't really want to go through the process but the NCAA hasn't given him much choice.

Kcmatt7 said:

Unbelievable Q got an invite.

P E D I G R E E M A T T E R S

FarmerJayhawk said:

Q is going to really get exposed against the competition there. But hey, you do you kid. Sucks for Silvio. I know he doesn't really want to go through the process but the NCAA hasn't given him much choice.

Man I sure the Hell hope the NCA changes Silvio's stance reduces penalty - -where he could play this year - -All this doe's solidify him coming back if they overturn his penalty . - Of Course if Silvio comes back - -someone said there goes Holyfield Right? - - that's ok I'd still take Silvio. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

• May 12-14: G League Elite Camp (NBA G League invitees will participate in the first half of this mini-camp before 40 top draft-eligible players who weren’t invited to the combine participate in the second half)
• May 15-19: NBA draft combine
• May 29 (11:59pm): NCAA early entrant withdrawal deadline
• June 10: NBA early entrant withdrawal deadline (to maintain eligibility for a later draft)
• June 20: NBA draft day

I don't think I've ever mentioned this before

I HATE the NBA. And all professional basketball associations that have anybody on the roster younger than 22 years old.

There. I said it.

nuleafjhawk said:

I don't think I've ever mentioned this before

I HATE the NBA. And all professional basketball associations that have anybody on the roster younger than 22 years old.

There. I said it.

How do you really feel? FWIW I don't really pay attention to the NBA. I never had a favorite team since there was never one close (the Nuggets were the closest to my hometown, which is like 6 hours from Denver) and the coverage of the sport drives me insane. 90% sure ESPN devotes more time to LeBron's Instagram than actual game analysis.

Plus, baseball is this time of year so I can't really be bothered with keeping up with the NBA.

Not surprised Grimes was invited. The player everyone saw throughout high school and last year during the FIBA tournament flashed at times during his time at KU, but never showed up consistently. As @BShark said, pedigree matters. Grimes came to KU as a highly skilled player. The combine is to determine if he was simply playing out of position, if something else was wrong, or if he simply doesn't have the skillset to succeed. But if you go back and watch the tape, what happened to him this past season is difficult to explain.

I see three potential outcomes.

1. He goes to the combine and just gets overwhelmed. Doesn't do well in athletic testing, plays poorly, shoots worse, looks lost on both ends and generally stinks up the joint. We all see that this season wasn't really a fluke. I think this is the least likely outcome, but I'd say there's a 20% chance it happens.

2. He goes to the combine, does a decent job in the athletic testing, but shoots poorly. His play is unsteady. He flashes some skill at times, but disappears for long stretches at others. Has some moments where he looks like a lottery pick, but just as many where he looks like a G League project. Ultimately convinces a team to take him in the late first round or early second round because they have the infrastructure to get his game right. I'd put a 55% chance on this happening. It's easily the most likely scenario given his inconsistency at KU.

3. Grimes slides over to the point and is a revelation on the ball. Plays downhill, aggressive getting to the rim. Sees the floor well. Surprises people with his explosion and bounce. Basically, looks like the guy we were promised in the mixtapes. Getting on the ball helps his jump shot, which suddenly evens out as he looks like a big, athletic PG that will be a handful. Sews up a spot in the late lottery. This is slightly more likely than him playing very poorly, probably a 25% chance.

So overall, there's probably an 80% chance Grimes makes it into the draft in some capacity, with a 20% chance that he's a complete bust (and a chance that he's a superstar in waiting). There are plenty of teams that missed the playoffs that will take those odds all day long.

@justanotherfan nailed it

@justanotherfan I would give option 1 a lot more weight. What if he was a man in high school and a boy in college? I'm talking only as it pertains to the game of basketball, NOT his character. He may just be in over his head until he develops more.

Sometimes the simplest answer is the best answer. With Grimes we simply saw nothing. Color me shocked if that gets turned around in a few months.

@nuleafjhawk Grimes was a man among boys here in the Houston HS scene. For being as big as Houston is, we really don't produce a lot of top tier HS basketball talent. Dallas has always been the superior HS basketball city.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@nuleafjhawk Grimes was a man among boys here in the Houston HS scene. For being as big as Houston is, we really don't produce a lot of top tier HS basketball talent. Dallas has always been the superior HS basketball city.

You said that from the start ... it is odd, but he really did appear overmatched. Which would support that theory. He should have stayed for another season or two.

Did Zion get a G league invite? THAT would be funny!

@wissox he's not going

@Texas-Hawk-10 I lived in Houston for almost 9 years (about 1,000 years ago...) and I noticed the same thing. Four million people to choose from and there's hardly any D-1 talent that emerges. It's weird. My brother in law and myself spent so much time in Herman Park, where they had unofficial 3 on 3 tournaments going seemingly around the clock and saw some phenomenal players, but none of them seemed to advance beyond the park league.

It wasn't too long ago that I wondered - you guys giving me the answer - about that, after Kelvin Sampson signed the contract extension at Houston. Whether or not the city of Houston had enough basketball talent to sustain the program?

Well I guess going to KU still gives a kid the exposure to get these chances despite a poor season. If he's at any other school not named Duke/UK/UNC he's not invited.

Good luck to the kid. The success rate for these types is extremely low

nuleafjhawk said:

@justanotherfan I would give option 1 a lot more weight. What if he was a man in high school and a boy in college? I'm talking only as it pertains to the game of basketball, NOT his character. He may just be in over his head until he develops more.

That's a possibility. However, we saw Grimes play well against some of the better teams we faced last season.

21 points on 7-14 shooting in a win against Michigan State.

19 points on 7-14 shooting in a loss to Iowa State.

15 points on 5-11 shooting in a loss to Auburn.

13 points on 5-9 shooting in a loss to Kentucky.

That's four of his best games, all against teams that feature very good guards.

Not only that, but it stands out to me that as the season progressed, Grimes' role wasn't really ever reduced long term. In 9 of his last 10 games he played more than 25 minutes, and played more than 30 minutes in 7 of those contests. If Self had determined he had better options, Grimes would have gotten the Bragg/Diallo treatment. Yet he logged pretty heavy minutes all season (averaged 27 mpg). That suggests to me that even though he struggled in games, Grimes was consistently one of our best guards in practice, otherwise Self would have flipped his rotation.

That's why I leaned more towards a middling performance, with a breakout showing slightly more likely than a complete dud. We don't have evidence that Grimes can't handle this level. If we did, teams like UK and Michigan State would have forced him off the floor, rather than him playing some of his best basketball against those squads.

@nuleafjhawk There's talent here in the city, it's just not top end HS talent for the most part. The best player to come from this city in the past 5 or so years is DeAaron Fox.

In the 2019 class, only 4 of the top 32 players from Texas are Houston area kids based on 24/7 rankings.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@nuleafjhawk There's talent here in the city, it's just not top end HS talent for the most part. The best player to come from this city in the past 5 or so years is DeAaron Fox.

In the 2019 class, only 4 of the top 32 players from Texas are Houston area kids based on 24/7 rankings.

Just did a quick scan of the 2020 Football recruits from Texas, and at least 10 of the top 32 are from the Houston area. Could the popularity of football be keeping elite HS athletes out of basketball in the Houston area?

@justanotherfan This has always been the issue imo.

@justanotherfan he showed up in the USA games

@Crimsonorblue22 Then disappeared in crimson and blue. 😒

Read off LJW - where they had been doing strengths and weakness of possible NBA with out players talking to NBA scouts. - Now they came to Devon.

kind of surprising. - This scout said they had him somewhere around the range 0f 30-45 - Tait said he had seen one 2020 mock draft had him at # 29. - Here is what the Scout had to say.

Offensive Strengths: the Scouts 1st entry: - one word : -QUICK - good score of the dribble , Really fast 1st step , good finisher at the rim. Has become better shooter.

Defensive strengths. : Super light on feet , -- -Understands Angles - - is able to locking down matchup on the ball.

Offensive Weakness : Needs to keep working on his Jumper Take better care of the ball. Gets sped up and at times careless - -Lack of size creates problems

Defensive weakness : Limited to who he can guard because of his size , - - Needs to add Strength - -for the grind of NBA schedule , - -take better care of the ball , - lack of size , - - -Needs to be better with his hands & foul prone -become better finisher when has to finish over bigger taller bodies.

Kind of interesting - -got him ranked a little higher then I thought close to 30 - -hmm hope he doesn't make a mistake. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Don’t see Grimes on any mock drafts ???

Blown said:

Don’t see Grimes on any mock drafts ???

The 2nd round is a crapshoot. He'll make someone's summer league team and maybe get a G-Leauge contract. It's a mighty fall.

Blown said:

Don’t see Grimes on any mock drafts ???

Well I don't think he will make a roster. - -BUT like I said he DID sign a 3 yr 158 million - -deal with the barber Shop Quartet - we was stated that was the highest paid to anyone in the history of the franchise. - - -so there is a nice little chunk of green for him

BeddieKU23 said:

Well I guess going to KU still gives a kid the exposure to get these chances despite a poor season. If he's at any other school not named Duke/UK/UNC he's not invited.

Good luck to the kid. The success rate for these types is extremely low

Even though KU players have had mixed results in the league, it is well reported that most NBA teams count KU on a resume as being a very positive thing. What they see as paramount is "defensive fundamentals."

Grimes' future depends on what he does at the combine. Play well, and he's a first rounder. Play poorly, he is hoping to catch on with a summer league team.

Dotson will probably be back at KU. He's still just a bit too small. I could see him being banged up even as a rookie backup from the size and contact he would have to take.

Dedric is probably a second rounder that makes someone's roster as a small ball 5. I could see him having success sliding up to the 5 because he's so efficient and is a reliable rebounder even without elite athleticism. He's still not going to be great defensively, but playing the 5 (and adding some strength) could help him translate that into a career. With the direction the NBA is heading, a 6-9 5 man that can rebound, handle the ball, shoot from the perimeter and pass effectively is a nice weapon. He won't be a star, but he's a nice piece to have stashed on your bench.

@jayballer73 isn’t it 158$ not 158 million?

@BeddieKU23 not a good look for self to take a “lottery pick” and “coach” him out of the second round. Easy negative recruitment tactic.

Blown said:

@jayballer73 isn’t it 158$ not 158 million?

no article said 3 year 158 million - - OH CRAP wait a minute - -went back an re-read - - your right I apologize just some bogus funny story - - -dam I'm getting old - -got the ol wool pulled over my bad eye lol - - was talking about playing 4-5 and being able to be Baritone and all that - - my bad lol -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Blown said:

@BeddieKU23 not a good look for self to take a “lottery pick” and “coach” him out of the second round. Easy negative recruitment tactic.

There will always be guys like Grimes that underachieve at KU and other schools. Devon Dotson's success as a freshman makes it a wash. Its up the player in the end

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Anyone remember seeing that last year?!? WTF

Grimes combine measurements are not great

6'4" barefoot, 6'5.25 in shoes, 8'4.5" standing reach, 6'7.75" wingspan, 209.6 pounds, 8.4% body fat

BShark said:

Grimes combine measurements are not great

6'4" barefoot, 6'5.25 in shoes, 8'4.5" standing reach, 6'7.75" wingspan, 209.6 pounds, 8.4% body fat

He measures out as a PG moreso that a SG. His reach is average for his size, but he would struggle against bigger wing players.

The only number that is troubling is that body fat. You would like to see that down closer to 6%.

The bigger measurements are going to be his vertical and strength measurements.

Grimes' standing reach is equal to Jarrett Culver.

Also, Bol Bol's standing reach is a ridiculous 9'7.75" Tacko Fall's is 10'2.25". Jay Bilas is hyperventilating somewhere.

@justanotherfan He was 180 pounds pre-KU, kind of troubling.

@BShark 30 lbs more.

@Woodrow ya just looks different when he’s guarded. And trying to fit into offensive scheme.

Grimes is playing now

justanotherfan said:

Grimes' future depends on what he does at the combine. Play well, and he's a first rounder. Play poorly, he is hoping to catch on with a summer league team.

Dotson will probably be back at KU. He's still just a bit too small. I could see him being banged up even as a rookie backup from the size and contact he would have to take.

Dedric is probably a second rounder that makes someone's roster as a small ball 5. I could see him having success sliding up to the 5 because he's so efficient and is a reliable rebounder even without elite athleticism. He's still not going to be great defensively, but playing the 5 (and adding some strength) could help him translate that into a career. With the direction the NBA is heading, a 6-9 5 man that can rebound, handle the ball, shoot from the perimeter and pass effectively is a nice weapon. He won't be a star, but he's a nice piece to have stashed on your bench.

I think that Grimes, at this point, will be best served to play overseas.

So far in his game, Grimes is 3-6, including 1-3 from 3PT, 2 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 turnover. 7 points in the first half.

@justanotherfan are you watching? I can't tell much, not showing much of game.

@Crimsonorblue22

You can track stats here:

https://stats.nba.com/game/0921900001/ ↗

2 rebounds? Wow, that's more rebounds than he got in almost one-third of our games.

@justanotherfan thx! Better than what I saw. Like to just watch the game instead of the interviews

Grimes finished with 9 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals and 2 turnovers.

Without having seen the actual game, I can't put that performance into any real context.

Dotson was one of the few players at the combine that didnt hire an agent. Bodes well for him returning you would think

Bilas seems to think he did good

Other notes from physical testing:

Dotson has the fastest lane shuttle so far (2.8 seconds). His standing vertical and max vert (30 and 38.5 inches) are very solid for a guy his size.

Grimes did not do well in the leaping department. A disappointing 27.5 in the standing vert, and just 36 in the max. Grimes has not run yet.

No one has bench press numbers yet.

D dot doing well in game

Bobby Marks was just on TV saying Q may have potentially raised his stock saying Grimes 19 minutes in game 1 were better then his 6 months in Lawrence.

JEFF GOODMAN@GOODMANHOOPS 10M
KANSAS QUENTIN GRIMES SAID HE IS STILL KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN AND IS UNDECIDED WHETHER TO RETURN TO LAWRENCE OR REMAIN IN THE NBA DRAFT,

JAYHAWKFAN214 said:

JEFF GOODMAN@GOODMANHOOPS 10M
KANSAS QUENTIN GRIMES SAID HE IS STILL KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN AND IS UNDECIDED WHETHER TO RETURN TO LAWRENCE OR REMAIN IN THE NBA DRAFT,

It would be good to take him back if R.J. bolts overseas.

@BeddieKU23 puzzled me, didn't see anything to great!

You think he's keeping up w/his classes?

Well this would be a truly bizarre development. He might not be getting great feedback there...

BShark said:

Well this would be a truly bizarre development. He might not be getting great feedback there...

Shocking to no one but him apparently

@BeddieKU23 Being honest here I'd rather have RJ than Grimes back and normally I am fairly big on experience.

So would he be welcomed back. - -he declared for the NBA - -hired an agent , heard his folks wasn't really that happy in his one year here about the whole KU thing - -saying it was a fluke of a yr - -not the real Quentin.

So if you were Coach - -would you welcome him back with the possibility of RJ - or would you tell him he doesn't have a scholi to come back to? - -he had been recruited over?

I myself if it came down to Quentin - or RJ - -I'd take RJ in a heartbeat. - and please don't come at me with the BS of you would rather have a Soph Grimes to a Fr OAD in this case -the talent level between these two is not even close Quentin made his choice - I can promise you that when he declared he was 100% that he was gone - - everyone here thought he was gone whether he should be or not. - Can't count how many times I've heard people here say Quentin is GONE.

Sorry but If RJ said he wanted to come - then sorry but your ship sailed when you declared - -Ku can not decide NOT to recruit just because some kid doesn't know whether he is gone or not - -KU has to recruit for the future - can't stand pat and wait - -that's a recipe for diaster. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I’d absolutely take a motivated and down to Earth Grimes back in a heart beat. As good as landing RJ imo.

Kcmatt7 said:

I’d absolutely take a motivated and down to Earth Grimes back in a heart beat. As good as landing RJ imo.

I'm sorry buddy

@Kcmatt7 why not both?

I have no idea who is better. I just know OAD's disappoint here.

I don't think he wants to be here, so weird! If a nba guy thinks he did well today, d dot should go first round!

Really want Dotson back. Would actually be a little let down if Grimes comes back to clutter up the court again after what he showed us last season.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

D dot doing well in game

Not that I want him to do poorly, but ...

@HighEliteMajor he did miss 2 threes after that, probably his downfall.

I kinda want to post this in two threads since it came up twice but I picked this one...

Anyway, Dotson's (lack of) height should keep him at KU for one more year.

BShark said:

I kinda want to post this in two threads since it came up twice but I picked this one...

Anyway, Dotson's (lack of) height should keep him at KU for one more year.

An NBA scout listed that in his Negatives , that an how he needs to reduce his TO'S - get's sped up - - foul prone - -and be able to create his own shot- he will be back

@BShark so he's going to grow in a year?☝️

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark so he's going to grow in a year?☝️

Lol. He's just gonna go anyway, if he doesn't now...

justanotherfan said:

Other notes from physical testing:

Dotson has the fastest lane shuttle so far (2.8 seconds). His standing vertical and max vert (30 and 38.5 inches) are very solid for a guy his size.

Grimes did not do well in the leaping department. A disappointing 27.5 in the standing vert, and just 36 in the max. Grimes has not run yet.

Compare that to National POY Frank Mason's 41 inch vert who went second round ... If Dotson legit wants to go, would he be fine leaving as a second rounder?

Not sure of Frank's shuttle.

This is what pisses me off about KUBuckets. The other day someone said Grimes is gone, like it was a fact. I thought it was true. Now I'm reading here about Grimes could be back. Knock it off people! Stop acting like know it alls and stating your wild speculations as fact. I'm sure it happens at other sites, but I don't read other sites. This is where I get my KU news. I don't go wandering through social media and a zillion other sites like some of ya'll which is fine. But stop making these statements. If Grimes does come back he's the second player to come back that I've read on these pages, Doke being the other.

@wissox fwiw all the media pundits thought and reported as if Grimes was gone. All of them. This is a complete change of heart (speculation alert) likely based upon poor feedback at the combine. ie he’s , not that great of a shot, and fat.

@dylans That only makes me feel slightly better :)

dylans said:

@wissox fwiw all the media pundits thought and reported as if Grimes was gone. All of them. This is a complete change of heart (speculation alert) likely based upon poor feedback at the combine. ie he’s , not that great of a shot, and fat.

very true buddy - it's not only people here on Buckets saying that he was gone - -It's everyone outside of KU buckets saying he is gone - Quentin himself - -is the one saying he is leaving that option open. - Like you said - - probably because of poor feed back. - -I for one would rather him not come back -- - but don't be pissed at everyone here because of that - just saying what's been reported plain and simple

wissox said:

This is what pisses me off about KUBuckets. The other day someone said Grimes is gone, like it was a fact. I thought it was true. Now I'm reading here about Grimes could be back. Knock it off people! Stop acting like know it alls and stating your wild speculations as fact. I'm sure it happens at other sites, but I don't read other sites. This is where I get my KU news. I don't go wandering through social media and a zillion other sites like some of ya'll which is fine. But stop making these statements. If Grimes does come back he's the second player to come back that I've read on these pages, Doke being the other.

This post pisses me the F off.

If you don't appreciate people sharing the information they're hearing (often from good sources) than what is even the point of this board? Especially during the offseason.

They're posting this stuff for YOUR BENEFIT, NOT THEIRS. Very rarely is anything posted here "WILD SPECULATION."

This board is not tailored to you.

@Kcmatt7 You're easily angered.

@wissox Just think of it this way -- this is not a news site. This is a opinion site. Just recalibrate expectations. Now, of course, you can take my word as the gospel moving forward. No problem there.

HighEliteMajor said:

@Kcmatt7 You're easily angered.

I'm a millennial, what do you expect?

@Kcmatt7 I didn't know I'd anger so many. Sorry. "Doke is gone" I read. "Grimes is gone". No disclaimer that it was anyones opinion, just stated as fact. The other day it and the ensuing comments acted as if something had been decided. Why not put the disclaimer in there? I don't follow as closely as others. I just like to know something that is stated as factual is factual. Until I read comments this morning that Grimes was still weighing his decision, I was under the impression he was officially gone. I didn't shed a tear the other day when I read that the other day FWIW.

By the way, Self is gone to coach the Trans-Siberian Womens Olympic development team.

I almost always to preface things by saying whether it's just my opinion or things people around the program or people with connections to the program have told me. I can draft a disclaimer and have you sign it if that would make you feel better?

@wissox

I get your frustration, but no matter what news source you could have checked over the last six weeks, you would have gotten the same story - Grimes is gone. I'm not even really sure how much traction the "Grimes could be back" story really has, but that may be because I already accepted that he was gone, which every credible report until this week would have told you.

The trouble with stay/go and recruiting is that 100% of the reporting is based on rumors and speculation. There's just not a lot of 100% solid information. A student athlete says something, then everyone analyzes it. Their dad wears an orange shirt - they must like Texas. Mom wears blue the next day - looks like Duke is in the mix. They order biscuits and gravy for breakfast, must like the SEC schools. Its all rampant speculation based on random facts that may not even mean anything.

I follow recruiting the same way I follow politics - ignore the pundits and talking heads. Pay attention only to what the person says or does. If they say they enjoyed their visit to KU, it means exactly that. They enjoyed their visit. It doesn't mean they are ready to commit. It just means they had a good time over the weekend. That's better than having a terrible time, but they might have also had good visits at their other schools.

Until Grimes says something more, I am going to presume that he is going to stay in the draft. Things could change. There could be injuries, subpar performance, breakouts, whatever. But Grimes is in right now, and my guess is that he will stay in until he says he isn't.

Disclaimer - - -Disclaimer -- Disclaimer ! ! ! - -just so people know - not sure about this - -just passing along from dreaded Social media - -BUT word is - - NOT ME - - Social Media covering the NBA Combine said:

Ok with that out of the way - -they said -- Devon Dotson says it may be May 29th before he can make the decision on whether it stays in the draft - - or comes back - -he stays in would be a huge blow

@wissox Grimes didn't announce his intention to "test the waters" like Dotson did. He just announced he was gone to the NBA draft. Dotson left the door open to come back with Coach, and the media, unlike Grimes. So, Grimes floating a comeback to KU is truly a surprise. If Doke had been healthy enough to go to the combine this year, I don't think he would've come back to KU. He went to the combine the year before. We're talking about 20 year old kids here, and we can only go on what they tell us. They change their minds like...20 year old kids.

Doesn't mean he will come back to KU but holy smokes Grimes' combine measurements are all terrible.

@BShark I was shocked they thought he played good the first game😳 but what the heck about him saying he only showed 50% of what he could do at KU? Did I hear that right? I don't think he's very smart and I'm pretty sure from pics, they are not needy. I hate saying that too!

The thing that is starting to make me worry some now is Devon is showing in the combine , pretty solid - - although before they said he wasn't even in the top 2 rounds. - I think no matter how he ends up , strong show and all it's not good enough to get him even into a latte 1srt round. Plus he still has the weakness that NBA listed that he needs to come back and work on.

They stated Devon recorded in the top 5 in the 3/4 sprint at 3.14 sec - -and hit just shy of 60% of various 3 pt shots - and he had 5-8 from 2pt - - - had 9 assists - - - 6 rebounds - - - a Block in 22 minutes. - -That's a pretty solid line in 22 minutes of play - - I think this line was against the team Quentin was playing on. - -had 2 pretty solid outings - -that's what kind of scares me. - -but hopefully he will come back - -work on those weakness -- like I said after next year he comes back -- ALL bets are off. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/prospect-rankings/ ↗

Didn't know where to post this, but here is CBS Sports post combine prospect rankings. Dotson is at 73 so that should tell you all you need to know about him coming back.

Dedric @ 48
Grimes @ 67

Woodrow said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/prospect-rankings/ ↗

Didn't know where to post this, but here is CBS Sports post combine prospect rankings. Dotson is at 73 so that should tell you all you need to know about him coming back.

Dedric @ 48
Grimes @ 67

SOUNDS BAD - - SOUNDS GREEDY - -but I'm glad to see Devon ranked there for this year - - come on back buddy - sorry shouldn't feel that way - -just can't help it - -" FAMILY "

I'm surprised he's lowest of the 3, I thought I knew much more than the experts!👩‍⚕️

Crimsonorblue22 said:

I'm surprised he's lowest of the 3, I thought I knew much more than the experts!👩‍⚕️

Anyone with Grimes ahead of Dotson is doing so off HS pedigree.

@BShark well Grimes is big and does have a nice smile...

@Kcmatt7 Even the sages of old got it wrong from time to time.... Like the time that the wicked, old one-eyed witch told the Emperor that Carthage couldn't possibly sack Rome, which is exactly what Hannibal the Carthaginian did by way of taking hordes of big tusked elephants over the alps..... They weren't able to hold it for long but it was a good idea...... We are the modern-day sages, offering insight so that you might one day have a chance at being one yourself..... I think RJ and Wilson are both coming to KU, couple them Enaruna, McBride and Braun and you have yourself a top five class.

Hope this guy comes back.

Guess we are going to have to wait until the last seconds with Dotson. I kind of thought we would have heard something by now. I assume all workouts are over .

I was hoping he would announce before RJ. I doubt we'll hear anything today but maybe.

I’m kinda over kids who don’t want to be at KU. F’em. If he shows up KU will be better (and he will play hard), but DeVonte declaring he would skip the combine and return to KU was the coolest thing I can think of. Wish we could get that kind of commitment out of another player of that caliber.

@Woodrow - what I’ve seen says D Dot was spending Tuesday talking it over with family. He’ll announce Wednesday at some point. Deadline is 10:59 pm CDT.

Silence from Q’s camp...

dylans said:

I’m kinda over kids who don’t want to be at KU. F’em. If he shows up KU will be better (and he will play hard), but DeVonte declaring he would skip the combine and return to KU was the coolest thing I can think of. Wish we could get that kind of commitment out of another player of that caliber.

Pretty rare.

@BShark sets the bar pretty darn high.

dylans said:

I’m kinda over kids who don’t want to be at KU. F’em. If he shows up KU will be better (and he will play hard), but DeVonte declaring he would skip the combine and return to KU was the coolest thing I can think of. Wish we could get that kind of commitment out of another player of that caliber.

There is a bit of fallacy in thought I've seen here a few times. That somehow the college game can't survive without the kids that that don't care about college basketball. That somehow CBB needs to restructure to try to entice and ensnare the top end talent.

Screw that. CBB isn't about RJ Hampton, or Andrew Wiggins, or you name the presumed OAD.

CBB is about the school, the alumni, the tie to a program. The uniform is more important than the person occupying it.

The RJ Hampton should be able to play an make money. I actually applaud his decision.

The issue continues to be folks wanting to change CBB so that the RJ Hampton's of the world can be accommodated (paid). But that's a mindset that applies to all aspects of life.

The better path is for CBB to retrench and be CBB. Not a quasi-pro league.

Dedric wasn't listed in the latest mock draft by ESPN. Certainly seems like his stock has dipped since going through the combine again..

wissox said:

By the way, Self is gone to coach the Trans-Siberian Womens Olympic development team.

Do they have a big who can shoot free throws ??

@HighEliteMajor you’re describing something that already exists, women’s college basketball. Those women are fundamentally sound and run program ball. I watch men’s b-ball to see freak athletes try and fit into a system before they are allowed to do whatever they want in the nba (iso heavy).

@dylans Women's college BB is a different, significantly inferior game. It's really a different sport. I didn't realize that's why a KU fan would would watch men's college BB.