Wilt Chamberlain with a trey.
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Along those lines, what's the shortest indefinite suspension ever? 😄
There you go again...CONSPIRACY THEORY IMPUTIN'.
Chill. You've been triggered.
Holy cow. If you're right, we are going to have to have an All-Suspension Team!!!!
Here are some positives:
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No way in hell Cal knows what to prepare for against KU. Hell, Self doesn't even know.
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This is a super opportunity to turn Josh loose for a 20-25 FGA game and that should guaranty us more OADs.
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I believe President Trump may offer to send Federal help to the KU Basketball program.
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Ashley Judd is likely to get overconfident and not wear makeup to hhe game and scare the UK players to the point they will not be able to make shots.
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When you stop to think about it: DEPTH? we don't need no stinking depth!
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Despite the temptation for UK to run the score up to 160, they probably won't.
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Self may not want to move to the NBA after a season like this: he may want to move to Pitcairn and just hang with the Christians.
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Adidas hasn't make KU wear any tremendously stupid uniforms this season.
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Self's bacon could be saved by his son.
(Note: All fiction. No malice.)
Bragg stands at two.
Anyone made it two in a single season before at KU?
Anyone ever get suspended 3 times in a season?
No one at this site appears to know so far.
I'm sure rumors are flying on other more heavily trafficked web sites.
Most here are focused on how Self might, or should, approach the UK game.
Agree, gotta play Self ball in conference to be in it to win it!
But the noncon games with U.K. that mean nothing but bragging rights appear created just to be branding games for OADs.
Obviously, if we had a full quiver of arrows, then we would play to win. But it's really just an expensive scrimmage in our current condition.
Don't be fooled by others reasoning literally and fallaciously from examples with incongruent premises. It's one of the oldest mistakes, or tricks, in the book. There is NOTHING analogous, even metaphorically speaking, about playing for a national championship in the NCAA and playing a television revenue builder non conference game. One you can afford to lose and so should treat it that way. The other is win or go home and so you have to try to win it however you can within the rules.
Anyone has a chance to beat anyone in the far tail of a normal distribution in any kind of game; that's just mastering the obvious and being disputatious to build an argument on it.
When one uses comparison, especially metaphorical comparison, one is obligated to do so from similar premises. Use of dissimilar premises breaks the logical connection.
My use of war as a metaphor for basketball only has relevance, if it dramatizes some analogous strategic predicament found in war under metaphorically similar conditions, that can be used to illuminate the situation in basketball.
Comparing this U.K. -KU game to a 1988 NCAA tourney victory has no analogous context. One is a largely meaningless noncon game, while the NCAA TOURNEY OF 1988 was the time when a team is supposed to leave it all on the floor. There are no more battles to live to fight another day in the NCAA.
The crucial issue here is under the circumstances of a noncon game, what is the best way to play the game to maximize our chances of winning our conference?
That we have a chance to beat U.K. Similar to a chance we had when we won the 1988 NCAA is reflexive A=A thinking that is irrelevant to the crucial issue.
Rock Chalk!!!
@JayHawkFanToo said:
They must have read my post where I compared Devonte to Mario
There you go again..."conspiracy theory imputing." Just stop with the "conspiracy theory imputing." Its starting to look ludicrous. And I'm saying this as a fellow board rat and friend.:smile:
These are either among the least insightful observations, or most disingenuous ones, by NBA scouts about KU players yet.
Let's take them in order of insipidness.
If Graham is the equivalent of Mario Chalmers, then NBA franchises would be absolute idiots not to take him in the first round this season. Mario Chalmers was an indispensable player on two NBA champions. Are these guys flipping morons, or what? If Graham has what Chalmers has, then you absolutely must draft him any chance you get to go with your three marquis players, so you can actually win a ring, instead of just dropping a bundle on three marquis players. Really, this is brain dead thinking. And my god!!! Graham isn't going to get any better next year than this year. He doesn't need to run a team to qualify for the role Mario Chalmers filled in the NBA. Mario didn't run a team at KU and he did just fine running an NBA squad. Why would Devonte want to come back. Anyone with even a pea for a brain can see he is a natural point guard and that he often runs the KU team now for stretches. . This scout's opinion is pitiful, if true, but more likely disingenuous. The only thing holding an NBA team from drafting Devonte is that he's got a mystery injury /biochemical condition; that is why he will have to wait till next season. He is going to have to prove he can play a season after this troubled year. The Devonte last Season? He's at least an NBA backup point guard.
Next.
Frank Mason: this is where I am wondering if the guy is just disingenuous. No NBA scout could be stupid enough to characterize Frank Mason as anything but pound for pound one of the most athletic guys in D1 this season. Helllllllooooooooooooo! Frank can outbound guys a foot taller than him. Frank has an after burner that he has had to learn NOT to use in D1. Frank can go get a basket pretty much any time he pleases. OMG!!!! Either this guy is suffering brain death, or he is trying to mask the fact that his teams wants to to draft him. I can't say if Frank will make it in the NBA. He is small and I don't know if the NBA is ready for a guy his size any more. Back when there were real big men, a team could make some hay with a pee wee point guard. I know one thing. If I were Philly with Embiid, and Embiid is going to be healthy again next season, I would draft Frank Mason in a Philly Cheese Steak second. This guy can play. This guy can do it all. Hell, he's as good as most guys he meets even wearing a brace lately. On good wheels, he is unstoppable. Not athletic? This guy needs to get help.
Hillary and Tom Dewey appeared certain to win based on the numbers.
But all numbers are a reflection of the past conditions that produced them.
When conditions change, the numbers change, not the other way around.
Self has always shown the wisdom not to get suckered into winning a noncon game that won't change a thing in post season seeding.
He is smart about this.
A victory over U.K. that contributes to RPI probably will be devalued at the end by seeding committee discretion.
Board rats are being naive about the effects of time zone bias, bet balancing dynamics and television audience drivers, if they think a quixotic, long odds, noncon win over U.K. is going off set finishing second or third in the B12.
Not. Going. To. Happen.
Self should go to Lexington, start the starters for three minutes, attack, then pull them for ten minutes, play zone, walk it every trip, use the full clock EVERY possession by running the chop every possession, sit everyone hurt, the n put starters in 3 minutes, then pull them another ten mutes, repeat to the buzzer , and get the hell home with a low possession loss by 15-20.
Always live to fight the right battle another day.
NEVER FIGHT THE WRONG BATTLE.
The South would have lasted another 5 years, and found a deal with Britain, France, Spain, or Germany, who would have assassinated Lincoln for them, if Robert E. Lee had not lost his mind and fought at Gettysburg. STUPIDEST military move of all American history.
It is ALWAYS okay to lose a tactical battle not crucial to strategy. ALWAYS.
NEVER FIGHT THE WRONG BATTLE JUST BECAUSE IT IS A TEST AT HAND.
Churchill was correct to parry and retreat from 1936 until he could get the USA ON HIS SIDE in 1941.
Retreat is an appropriate tactic in any situation where your strategic interests are aided by retreat.
Those on this thread advocating retreat during conference instead of retreat in Lexington just are not thinking clearly on how seeding appears to work. Winning conference LOCKS IN more than winning a TV revenue builder in Lexington. Period.
Winning in Lexington leads into the great discretion of seeding committees.
Winning the conference leads away from the discretion of the seeding committee. Win conference and you are a lock.
Win in Lexington and the seeding committee can find a million reasons to slight KU in seeding come the March Carney.
If KU got mail at an EST zip code, then there would be more incentive to beat U.K. now. But KU is in CST. Period.
NEVER FIGHT THE WRONG BATTLE.
George Washington is how you lead, when force structure is decisively not on your side.
You fight a guerilla war. You fight and retreat, and repeat, not to win a tactical battle at all costs, but to buy time to amass force and prepare for a winnable strategic battle.
Self is a genius. He sees opportunities
to win that escape many of us. He might see a way to win in Lexington, but I doubt it.
I believe he will try to set a tempo and a game plan to minimizes scale of losss and try to rest his key remaining players as much as possible, except for Josh. If Josh is not injured, Josh will be given the green light to have a brand builder and not worry about winning. I look for Josh to score 35-40 in a loss by 15-20.
It's good TV.
It gets us another OAD.
It rests our injured players.
We live to fight the real battle: the B12 title.
A bump to get ready for the Kentucky game.
PHOF!!!!!
Its mythic alright.
First Coleby's knee does not rehab.
Then Doke goes out.
Along the line Landen injures an ankle that probably has never healed and injures some muscle above the belt that makes it so he cannot raiser his arm, and then when it heals for awhile he gets sick.
Then @Blown spies Frank's ankle brace.
Then Josh Jackson, who has played without lingerie all season, starts showing some and simultaneously goes from being one of the best freshman defensive players in Self's tenure to standing around watching guys drive by him right and left.
And all season long Devonte is a cramp waiting for low potassium and salt to happen seemingly every other game.
Then a story gets run that refers to a rape in McCarthy Hall witnessed by FIVE KU players.....GET THIS....two flipping weeks after it happened!!!!!!!
Then Bragg gets suspended a second time for...um...reasons unspecified.
Then like clockwork, @JayhawkFanToo starts accusing the 'bate 1.0 of looking for conspiracy theories everywhere, especially about injuries.
Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing!!!!!!
Ah oooooo gah! Ah oooooooooo gah!!!
Warning, warning, warning!
Dave, Dave, what are you doing, Dave? Can't we talk this over, Dave?
Ahem.
It was @JayhawkFanToo that made it seemingly indisputable that I have been right to worry about the team's problems. He is like a miner's canary regarding the team's true problems. The moment he says I am looking for conspiracy theories THAT is when you know something is SERIOUSLY wrong!!! When @JayhawkFanToo starts saying, well, he has to take Coach Self at his word, THAT is when you know its time to go to the life boats. Its right after that that it surfaces that everyone's worst fears have been confirmed!!!!! :smiley:
What we have here is a 7-man team with its major players playing 35-39 mpg and its late January and the team is running on fumes and bailing wire exactly as anyone with a thimble of brains would expect.
That's the bad news, 'bate 1.0...the nightmare shizzle. So: what about the Fairy Tales you mention in your title? When does that come into play, eh?
This is sooooooooooooo mythic.
This is so Frodo on the road to Mt. Doom.
Bill Self - Bilbo.
Tyler Self = Frodo.
This team is building toward Tyler Self playing a pivotal role down the stretch.
Bill Self may even have subconsciously scripted this.
Bill, meet Randolph Tolkien. Randolph, meet Bill Self.
Bill Self may have not signed enough good players the last two seasons to subconsciously lay the ground work for creating the son requirement of saving the father.
He always has embargo problems. He always finds ways around the embargo problems. No, this is not about an embargo. This is about underlying mythopoeia. This is about the father sewing the conditions for his son to save him mythically.
It is unfolding soooooooooooo perfectly.
All season long it has seemed like all these problems dealt with issues and posed risks completely unrelated to Tyler Self.
All season long TSelf has gotten to drip cryo ice, because, well, because there just was NO chance he would ever be called on to play a serious role on this team. Zero. Zip. Nano Nope.
First it was: this team is too deep to EVER need Tyler.
Next, it was, well, the team isn't deep anymore, but its thin in the paint. The perimeter is over stacked with super talented players. Tyler? Fuggedaboutit.
Next, it was, well, yeah, some of the perimeter guys like Svi and Vick are a little inconsistent, maybe injured, too, but our starters are so great Tyler could never be needed. We'll just play them more.
Next, it was, uh-oh, Devonte's got cramps, but what the heck, it just means the rest of the guys will have to rest on the floor during games and go 40 every time. Tyler? No way.
Next, it was oh, man, Jane's getting serious and Frank's got a brace!!!!!! Still, no one could bring themselves to say the T-word.
Next, it was oh, man, rape? Ok, ok, don't panic. Lightfoot could fill.
Next it was Bragg suspended a second time? Coleby? Coleby? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Please god, not the T-word.
Next, it was, please god, surely Mitchell Lightfoot can be split into five clones and play all five positions can't he? NOT TYLER!!!!
But now @HighEliteMajor 's RED PILL sits in our right hand and a stubby bottle of Coors Banquet Beer is clenched in our left. It is late January and we are boarding a plane for Lexington, KY.
Now we are thinking of taking the pill. We sit down in the seat. It is the long dark night of the soul.
And then it happens: @JayHawkFanToo starts whistling out on the wing on engine Number 2. He looks like the demon that Bill Shattner saw on the most famous Twilight Zone episode of all. He is ripping engine parts out of engine number 2 and throwing them over board. AND he is singing his paranoid "Conspiracy Theory Fugue in D Minor" out on engine number 2, which, we know deep inside, is our metaphorical mine shaft and we KNOW we HAVE to take the Red Pill now that @JayhawkFanToo has entered the singing stage out on flaming, smoking Engine Number Two.
We have to take the pill, wait a moment and then we have to get into the weird seat on Morbius' tech noir sub tub and go into the net virtually as Tyler Self looking for Trinity!!!!!!!!!!
We have to emerge in Rupp Arena walking on wood surrounded by 23,000 Agent Smith's!!!!!
We have to stand their in our Tyler Self suits and forget about the Occulist Rift fantasies of preseason.
We have to face the hyper reality of the z-axis of the Matrix; that reality is no longer what it seems.
That with Trinity anything is possible.
That without her losing the bid for another conference title is as certain as getting eaten by one of those hairy assed electro convulsive techno monsters swimming outside Morbius' tech noir sub tub.
That we must live through Tyler Self and learn how to bend and shape the Matrix and stop Agent Smith Bullets with our minds like a bunch of board rat Neos caught somewhere between the actor playing Agent Smith and the actor playing that dip shit character in Peter Jackson's ring trilogy also.
That Tyler Self IS the one.
That Morbius has known all along!!!!!!!!
Get ready everyone.
We are one outbreak of Novovirus on the team from it all coming down to Tyler in Lexington.
The Agent Smiths are coming.
Its time for Tyler to put on the long black warm up frock with the Dr. No collar and the black sun glasses and start running on walls and flipping cartwheels through phase space dripping green computer screen characters.
Its time for Tyler to save Morbius and get the girl.
Rock Chalk!!!!
This team is like the knight in Monty Python that keeps getting limbs lopped off.
I always take Coach Self at his word.
And I always take Coach Self at his deeds in the past.
I think anyone is mad as a hatter not to take Coach Self both at his word and at his deed.
And I think one would be properly characterized as lacking the wherewithal to render a hat full of urine empty before donning it, if one were not to prudently attempt to reconcile apparent possible discrepancies between words and deeds of the past, when trying to interpret the implications of what Coach Self says in the present.
Along these lines, a person with operational memory would likely recall that Coach Self has appeared at times in the past not entirely forthcoming about injuries, especially seemingly those that have had to be "played through" for extended periods of time for the good of the team, and among those, perhaps even less a tincture less comprehensively forthcoming about those that may have to be operated on after a season of playing through.
But that would only apply to persons with operational memory.
Not, obviously, to those lacking such, or otherwise choosing to deselect operational memory from tools of analysis.
Or so it all would appear to me.
We're into the Bill Self Injury Twilight Zone with cramps. Self could be telling the truth about the cramps. It was a fast paced game. Winter air is dry. Dehydration, like shit, happens. But then again cramps have previously been used as an explanation of Devonte's physical problems this season. Why are cramps persisting? Is the dragging right leg causing him to overexert to compensate and so he develop cramps? Or is Self just flat out mischaracterizing the problem? Whatever, it appears cramps, at least nominally speaking, are something that are going to be an enduring limitation on his game.
Smoke and mirrors to me means a laundry list of things a team cannot do that a good teams can do that Self is hiding with deception.
All teams good, or not, make use of deception. But fake good teams use deception to hide that they are not real good teams, whereas real good teams use deception to fool you about how they are going to attack you with all the necessary tools of a good team.
This is what I would call Self's first true Swiss Cheese team.
The 2012 team had only six guys, but all five starters were serious D1 players, and Conner was a former Mr. Basketball of Missouri, who had matured into enough of a lug that he could bank with a team like WVU, even if he could not hang with them at the rim. The 2012 teams only hole was its depth. The rest of the team was exceptional and played exceptionally well together. They could sand bag with the best of them. They could squirt when they needed to. And no one has ever been remotely as fast on the drive imposing himself on the iron before or since as Tyshawn that last season (after having been a sensitive for several seasons before).
We are looking at a 2017 team that really doesn't match up very well with very many teams. It can't stay big and strong even at the post without Doke. Its guards are simply not up to the challenge of muscle ball. Its 3-man can't guard his own shadow against solid D1 athletes. Svi and Vick are having trouble with consistency. The team can't shoot Free Throws a lick. Yet again we have no scorer on the blocks. Those are all the wholes in the cheese. Outside Landen, they can't rebound, unless Frank does not release and goes hunting for boards.
The cheese is three point shooting and above average athleticism.
Regarding their defense, they play good defense in stretches. But they are too thin to do it all the time, or they would foul up and out.
Hence the smoke and mirrors moniker I hung on them.
They may be the BEST Swiss Cheese team in KU history.
But Swiss Cheese is still Swiss Cheese.
Playing team like WVU is usually good for some new bumps and bruises, plus an injury or two. Further, this KU team had landen sick vs. Texas and looking a little slow in recovery vs. WVU. So: we have to wonder if this sickness of Landen's is the dread Norovirus that is highly communicable. strikes within 12-24 hours of exposure, last 3-4 days of serious discomfort, and then probably takes another 2-3 days to recover to full strength. Anyone here what kind of bug had Landen?
Regardless of sickness, this team appears increasingly to be one of those "nicked up" teams; i.e., lots of unreported and underreported injuries likely to continue for much of the season.
Not Frank. Its pretty clear from his numbers vs. WSU, plus @Blown's sighting of a brace on his ankle at the Texas game, and the failure to report the injury, means Frank will probably be playing operable the rest of the season.
Probably not Devonte. Devonte has been dragging his right leg, since December at least. It seems to be hampering him a little less each game, but he is not remotely the same explosive player he was last season, so Devonte has to go on the "Underreported" injury list.
Josh? I saw where Josh added lingerie to his wardrobe for Texas. And board rats have been saying guys were driving by him right and left against WVU, so Josh is likely unreported.
Svi likely not. Svi suddenly joined the "Desaparecidos", so he was either sick with what Landen had (against Texas), or Svi will be playing unreported again.
Vick? He's been up and down all season, so we can't even hazard a credible guess as as to health.
Coleby is clearly in some kind of Cryo-ice situation. He gets a minute against WVU, where as Baby Face Lightfoot gets 8 or something. Given the WVU prison body coefficient, one can only infer Coleby not playing against WVU implies he isn't going to do much against anyone from here on out.
Lightfoot? At least he could be 100%.
Ugh! Five witnesses and no one mentioned as coming to the young woman's rescue.
Question: given the story reputedly refers to an incident back at the time of the Davidson game, which, if any, player's PT declined sharply starting after the Davidson game?
If there were no player's PT plummeting in correlation, then we might declare the team uninvolved beyond witnessing.
But, oooh, that long delay in surfacing sure does not make me optimistic.
Ah, I see. Huggie decided to slap us around a little and tell us that we'd like it, eh? Well, looks like Self will have to give the man-up speech then.
When I looked at the WVU roster a few days before the game, they appeared brawnier and bigger than us in pretty much every way--not just deeper. This was a good game for Josh, Vick and Svi to find out what its like to hang with the prison bodies and get mind-intercourses by Huggie. I hope Josh understands that Huggie probably gave him a pass on the real rough stuff and beat up his teammates to see what kind of character Josh had? Would he physically come to the defense of his mates, or not? I didn't see the game, so I don't know. The 22 points were probably just Huggie sucking up to the OAD system in hopes of getting one himself next year or the year after. I hope Josh doesn't think he scored 22 playing against the kind of treatment our other guys were probably getting.
Huggie's back was against the wall at home. He pretty much had to break out the tire irons.
R u saying Self should have driven more?
Graham and Vick and Doke and Bragg back. back.
Average talent continues decline from accruing effects of embargo.
Now even 4 stars are waiting to see what happens when Tyler leaves.
Next.
This ought to frag up consensus and make bet balancing much easier.
What was the final Point spread at tip off ? Do you recall?
Yup, I posted I missed it.
Those ARE very interesting TO and foul numbers!
Coincidence or not?
Lots of no calling on WVU, or lots of phantom calls on KU driving the numbers? Or both?
I gotta say that low number of KU TOS is remarkable. Hmmmm.
No idea, or opinion about, what the story is here, but....
This thing appears to have spin control finger prints all over it.
KU lost to WVU by nearly 15 points on a night it shot 40%.
Good lord! How bad would it have been on a cold shooting night? 2o-25 points?
Are they that much better than KU?
Did Huggins just expose Self's smoke and Mirrors game?
Or did we just discover that not only are we a thin 7 man team with two guys--Svi and Vick--that can't cut it when the competition gets big and hard nosed, but that some of the five that can produce under real fire, may also be.....drum roll please....playing unreported?
We know Frank is wearing a brace on his ankle, because @Blown IDed one while attending the KU-UT game.
So who else?
We better hope some people are playing unreported, because we got our butts kicked.
If they were all healthy, then there is big trouble in river city!
I come in off the road expecting a close out come after playing them close early, but instead we got our heads handed to us. Ugh! Traveling and getting kicked. Never again!!!
I am away from my tube in car. Score?
Is it starting out physical?
I wrote a long response and accidentally deleted it, so I will just say:
a.) not aimed at anyone in particular;
b.) thought it good for community hygiene in general as well as informative for surfing elsewhere;
c.) thought it called attention to the massive level of social engineering and social coercion being undertaken via via memetic engineering on the internet;
d) this is old tech; and
e.) the new tech memetic engineering that is being done is really going to take a decade or two before everyone gets what's being done to them.
Rock Chalk!
We usually agree on stuff like this, but I have to respectfully dissent on your superfluity assessment. To me, this game and that handshake line interaction between Shaka and Bill showed the positive side of coaches behaving like positive teachers and leaders rather than just as General Patton wanna be's. It appeared to me Self was signaling he respected Shaka for coaching the game the way Shaka appeared to coach it, which was very much tilted toward recognizing the limits of his team and the imminence of the next game in 2 days for Texas and 3 for KU. And Bill showing that kind of respect and appreciation to a young up and comer probably turned their relationship more into "their" appropriate collegial relationship than into more of the old petty stuff that was really a hangover from Shaka growing up in the Pitino Owes Kansas forever nonsense that probably got them off on the wrong foot in the first place. Professionals have to fight as gladiators, but as professionals they have it in their authority to determine the limits and purposes of the fight, and to decide where and when it must be a fight to the death, or just a hard fought game. Coaches are , as all professionals are, on the same side. They are instituted and trained to play out roles in society. Their mission, except in the military and Intel is not to destroy the life and career of the opposing coach, but to develop a competitive, money making program that helps players learn to play, get an education, and win as much as is feasible. Whether you win on Saturday or Monday is immaterial. That you try to win as much as possible while doing the rest of your job is your duty. Trying all out to win a game on Saturday that you probably can't win and so costing yourself a high probability win on Monday would be both unprofessional and stupid. I believe moving forward we will see knock down drag out battles for supremacy between Bill and Shaka, but we will never see the pettyness again. Both men acted like pros in a charged circumstance and now both men trust and respect each other more as a result. This was a win-win for B12 basketball if ever there were one. And I believe for the first time that Shaka is ready to scale the mountain. Old coaches can do this sort of thing for young coaches. They can help them transition beyond just the General Patton stuff to full coaches. Every young professional needs to run into a guy like Self. You may lose some games but look at Frank Martin and Rick Barnes and even Squeaky. They are all better professionals for having squared off with Self, not just better coaches.
Oh, and thank you for posting that loop of George, especially if you did for me, despite you not liking George. That's very generous of you. I get a huge kick out of George Takei and all the good he has done for SciFi and Star Trek and all the good cheer and level headedness he has brought to our country. He really is a national treasure!
It's okay! You're safe here. You can admit to loving George! Who doesn't love George?
I knew you would love George. All engineers love George.
Who cannot love George?
No one.
How to recogonize site destabilization. Its old news but the basic techniques change little. For the long form see http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm ↗
- COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum
- Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
- Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
- How to Spot a Spy (Cointelpro Agent)
- Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression
COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..
There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'
Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'
If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.
Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'
A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'
Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.
Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'
Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.
Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'
Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.
Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'
It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.
CONCLUSION
Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.
Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
Note: The first rule and last five (or six, depending on situation) rules are generally not directly within the ability of the traditional disinfo artist to apply. These rules are generally used more directly by those at the leadership, key players, or planning level of the criminal conspiracy or conspiracy to cover up.
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Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.
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Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.
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Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.
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Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.
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Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
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Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.
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Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.
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Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.
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Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
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Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man -- usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with - a kind of investment for the future should the matter not be so easily contained.) Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually then be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues -- so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.
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Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the 'high road' and 'confess' with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, 'just isn't so.' Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later, and even publicly 'call for an end to the nonsense' because you have already 'done the right thing.' Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for 'coming clean' and 'owning up' to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.
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Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to lose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.
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Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact.
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Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.
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Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.
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Vanish evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.
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Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.
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Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'
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Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.
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False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations -- as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.
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Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body. Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed and unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed. Usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim.
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Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.
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Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.
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Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by destroying them financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.
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Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.
Well, you totally outdid yourself this time, Lump. This is a fabulous montage that captures the uniqueness of WVU the team and school and West Virginia the state. It is hard for me to explain why, but of all the states from Appalachia east, there is something about its defiant streak and tortured history that I like the most. They are one of the strangest breeds of Americans and have retained more of their local flavor than most places I know. And I want one of those rapid transit systems installed at KU!!!!!!
I mention this nearly every season since the Mountaineers joined the B12, but everyone should take the time to drive waaaaaaaaay the hell off the beaten path to Burning Springs, WV to see the true first commercially producing oil well accidentally created in the 183os by brine drillers looking for salt brine for pickling, etc. The West Virginians didn't make a big deal out of it. They just refined and used it for illuminant for about 30 years BEFORE the Titusville Johnny Come Latelys, who were themselves a year behind the Canadian oil strikes in Petrolia, Ontario across the lake. And remember, St. Jimmy grew up not far from Petrolia. But I digress.
Why drive way the hell off the interstate to a holler along a river in the middle of no where in Burning Springs Oil and Gas Fields? To see some historical truth long obscured by the winners (John D. and the Standard) in Cleveland and Pittsburg in the bid to control the world's oil supply along with the Crown. Titusville, which brought its crude to Cleveland to be refined to be exported to be used by Abe to back his green backs, was the more self-serving version of how the OHL BIDNESS began. And they pawned the fake news off as verified history for purt near a century and a quarter afore some hard head in WV said set the record straight. We started pumping 50-100 barrels per day by the mid 1830s. In our little holler, we didn't need no camphene burning fluid made by slaves on turpentine plantations and we didn't need no quick to get rancid whale oil eye-lluminant neither. Mountaineers are self sufficient. Hell we made our gun powder primers for our rifles from our own damn salt peter back in the revolutionary war. And if'n Abe hadn't his coal/rail/ohl boys from Ohio and Pennsylvannia swoop down and steal us from Bobby Lee the first year of the war, well, we'd uh become the tail that wagged Virginie the way Pittsburg become the tail that wagged Pennsylvania and Cleveland become the tail what wagged Ohio, and then the whole damned country. Cleveland = Rockefeller. Pittsburg = Mellon. Wheeling = what they done to us that we went along with to get out from under them high fallutin Washingtons and Jeffersons, and that Lee bunch, too. We'z mountain folk and we didn't need no slaves, and so we got that part right. But we been under the thumb of the Rockefeller's and Mr. Peabody's coal bidness ever danged since. But somehow, we'll get out from underin' em yet. We don't fergit.
Interesting take on play down.
Way to twist my words out of context.
You can twist my words any way you want but it doesn't change the facts.
God is not on the side of the big battalions, but on the side of those who shoot best.
--Voltaire
Voltaire was French and the French are notorious for not considering ALL the details.
The English are more detail oriented. Alfred Lord Tennyson was fastidious in verse and life. And they have a flare for the tragic.
"Half a league, half a league, half a league onward..." writ Tennyson of a light brigade entering tough terrain.
KU enters this coming Tuesday contest with WVU, as the smaller, lighter, less physical team with a mylar thin 7-man bench.
WVU enters this contest with the bigger, heavier, brawnier team with a legitimate 10-man rotation.
For the first 30 minutes of every game, KU has to avoid fouling at all costs. It has to rest starters on the floor during games. It can't waste energy on winning the disruption stat; i.e., it can't afford to expend a lot of energy stripping, and forcing TOs and exploding for blocks. It has to guard and get stops the hard way--butt down, knees bent, back straight, feet wide, sliding, sliding, sliding. Each man must handle his man, so that help is only infrequently necessary. Each KU defender has to consciously stand up two passes away on defense and breath. KU's energy budget the first 30 minutes cannot afford to pressure the trey stripe and contest every shot, and explode out of position to block shots. The closest KU rebounder must go and get the rebound. so that other KU rebounders do not have to jump too. Point guard Frank Mason can no longer afford to go grab 10-12 reebs just because he can. He has to grab only those that Landen absolutely cannot get to. Only Josh Jackson can go for explosive blocks because, because only he has sufficiently developed back up to expect rest. Svi Mykhailiuk is the only luxury this team has. Vick and Bragg are if/then/else players. If they happen to have a good match up and their heads are in the right places, then they can give rest; else fuggeddaabout it in a tight game against a ranked opponent. Landen Lucas can block some, but he cannot overplay and take risks to do so, because the fouls would be greater costs than the benefits of doing so, at least for that first 30 minutes. Bragg for more than 15-18 minutes a game is the equivalent of ice skating on sheet ice on Potter's Lake. Bottom line? KU's raison d'être is "efficiency." KU has to push the ball up the floor efficiently. No wasted motion. Just get to the spot. Run the stuff. Score. It has run two man breaks instead of three, whenever possible. It can expect a secondary break. The primary has to getter done. KU has to drive efficiently. Frank has to be in the Psi zone, where his incomparable driving is effortless and seemingly in slo-mo. Devonte has to curtail his preference for bouncy jitterbugging and gear shifting and arcing cuts. The cuts have to be efficient 45 degree angles whenever the action is not a weave. They all have to tighten the arcs as quickly and as much as possible on the chops, and loosen them as little as possible on the outward weaves. They can't use pump fakes and feints and shake and bakes, because they gotta conserve baby. They gotta leave a small carbon footprint that first 30. Self can maybe afford two squirts of a minute each the first half, maybe 3 minutes out of 20. The rest of the time its nip here, and tuck there, make a smoothly athletic move here and learn to love the 3 inch hop jump shot from trey. The objective for the first 30 minutes is to out-shoot the opponent from trey, shoot more treys, at a higher percentage (42.6% to 35%) and drive to iron and shoot more free throws than the opponent to make up for KU's sharply inferior FT shooting. Turn it over less, get more FTs, shoot 64% from the FT stripe to the opponents 70% and hope its a wash on made free throws. Do this and KU's in the game with ten to go, and usually with some kind of a lead. Further, the other, less efficient team is usually starting to lose its nerve in the efficiency game and starting to lose its trey shooting legs, too. KU, more used to playing this way and possessed of a near Zen calm pursuing efficiency, sneaks into half time and the ten to go mark with a 5-10 point lead by means only the Edmund Kid fully understands. Lord Tennyson might have called these Jayhawks a light brigade. Voltaire, across the channel, and besotted with reason and pith would have called them sharp shooters. Dumas no doubt would have spun them to the talking heads as The Seven Musketeers.
The trouble is the light brigade of Seven Musketeers (ooh, Tennyson and Dumas are probably calling me out for satisfaction the way I mixed their tongues) is marching smartly into Appalachia holler called Morgantown defended not by entrenched heavy battalions that the light brigade's speed and quickness can outflank. No, WVU is a heavy battalion that General Man Bra Huggins has fiendishly put on flat cars on rails and taught to roll into, dare I say muscle and bang into, KU light brigaders inbounding ball. 90 feet of rolling stock rolling this way and that. Its not that KU's light brigade cannot run circles around it, when its ten to go and time to leave it all on the floor. The problem is the first 30. How does a light brigade "efficiently" slice through a switch yard full of big heavy flat cars rolling this way and that way without getting pinched and crushed between two?
Always there are two ways past a press: 1.) flank and slice the gaps; or 2.) throwing it over the top. Which shall KU choose?
Self has preferred over the top the last few years. but it means more turnovers. And for 30 minutes KU cannot really afford to make many turnovers, because KU cannot afford the energy budget for going out and pressure stripping this bunch of flat cars in satin shorts. The alternative is to flank and shoot the gaps, but that requires more tiring starts and stops, more exchanges, more chances for collision, and more fatigue from stress.
As is usually the case with Self, when he holds no clear, singular advantage in such a factor of play, we will see some of both--some mixing it up. Some over and some around. Some searching for a weakness, an armor chink, a gap. Maybe a player with bad footwork, or an injury that can be exploited. Maybe someone gets fouled up.
Huggie saw what Self did to him with a long bench last season and Huggie took notes. Huggie plays ten guys with double digit average PT. He knows ten guys is a lot for a D1 team to prepare for on a couple days between games, especially when one is a travel day for the unlucky roadie. Huggie is going to make Self's efficiency experts have to prepare for a lot of different hoopahs.
So: how does this Mountaineer team win most of its games. It outshoots opponents on FGs 48% to 42%. It pressures the trey stripe with so much muscle that its own lousy trey percentage ends up +3 over the opponents 32% from trey. WVU also out rebounds you, It makes half as many TOs. It gets twice the strips you get. And it out blocks you.
For the light brigade to win?
Wash on the glass. Tell the guards its time to play and protect like the great guards they are this season.
STEAL, STEAL, STEAL AND DON'T TURN IT OVER. TRY TO
AND BE THE TEAM THAT SHOOTS THE BEST, WHILE THE BIG OLF FLAT CARS RUMBLE THIS WAY AND THAT TO NO AVAIL.
WITH TEN TO GO LEAVE IT ALL ON THE FLOOR.
KU COULD OUT FLANK THEM AND CIRCLE THEM AND CUT THEM AND SHOOT THEM TO PIECES.
But don't shoot well and its "half a league, half a league, half a league onward..."
And into the mouth of hell would ride that light brigade.
@KUSTEVE said:
The attack on the Borg has the Bilderbergs in a tizzy. It’s a world wide thing.
This is the wisest most concise thing I have read in awhile regarding the recent state of the world politics.
Nope.
IMHO Shaka's only chance was to shorten the game, hang close BUT BEHIND, and win it at the end in a flurry.
He did not have a good enough team to grab a lead and hold it all game, or even half a game and beat KU straight up.
If he had tried that, Self and KU would have beaten and humiliated them by 30, instead of working to conserve energy and avoid risky plays and injury in anticipation of WVU. Put another way, Bragg and Lightfoot would not have combined for 22 minutes of development PT.
Even as it turned out he unnecessarily wasted too much energy with a tweener 60 trips. It got him and his team nothing. But he did appear at least not to piss Self off with his conduct of the game. Self seemed his collegial and respectful self to Shaka in the handshake line.
Self appears to like collegiality and to reach out to fellow coaches when ever they will stop the silly unprofessional I'm gonna knock you out junk. Self practically made Frank Martin's career by befriending him professionally when everyone was out to hang him for his temper.
Hard and tough when it counts appears part of the code. But coaching in unnecessary ways that harm your colleagues careers and meal tickets seems not.
It appears a fine line to walk sometimes for coaches, but IMHO it's kind of ridiculous, all on/all off kind of thinking to introduce notions of fixing into collegiality and professional curtesy that at least appears to go on some in the interplay among professional coaches.
But, hey, one board rat's ridiculous is another's devout ideologically rigid, unimpeachable, unchallengeable truth.
Right?
Rock Chalk!!!!