Yeah- Either one will be great. Both have great qualities. I'd like both.
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JayDoc- Maybe both? Why not, a little word to the coaches and then spend some time with the honey...sounds like a great plan to me.
Interesting point. It depends on the recruits. Who knows?
HEM- It appears all three are KU's to lose. I want both Alex and Ok or Alex and Turner. I see no problem with both sets committing to KU. If we miss Ok, then I want Turner and he may be waiting to see where Ok commits.
I watched Alex and Ok play against each other. They were great competitors during the game. At the end, they embraced in a friendly hug. They seem great together. I also watched Turner and Ok play against each other. They both played well.
approx.- You are too much. I'll just watch the game and enjoy though. I don't chat much during a game. Thanks again for all your efforts and trouble. This can't be too easy and must be really time consuming.
8086- A great point that players or recruits have got to go where it's best for them, not some media hyped idea. I never thought the Alex and Jaquan thing would last. They certainly didn't push it as hard either. I think they liked the idea, but seem to let it go after a bit.
Mista Miyagi-
There are plenty of rumors out there (and, again, take all recruiting rumors with a giant grain of salt) that Okafor and Alexander don't want to play together, and who could blame them.
I'm taking a lot of salt lately. I'm so salty right now. I've read the opposite since they are both from Chicago. They have no problem playing together.
I love this question. Let's ask the Head Coach of Kansas, "Coach who do you want?" "Uh, both...I'd be stupid to not want both." I love this question and believe me, Self isn't going to discourage getting both. It's really a dumb question or a question that needs to be directed at Self, himself (strange wording).
But, Self wants both or maybe just wanting at least one of the two. Oh well, it's all good and coach is going to land one or both.
JayDoc- I understand your voice of reason and your caution. However, everything you read is about Jones hyping the idea, not Okafor. Since Ok came down to dook and KU, Jones has been insisting on the two playing at dook. Again, terms like petty and spoiled are fairly true. I don't think Chukwudi is completely in support of the two necessarily playing together. In fact, he and Jahlil have said so at times.
I could be completely wrong or out of line, but Ok's direction is quite clear at this point and Jones seems to be "saving face" or "eating crow." Now it's about him looking good. If you're going to be recruited, maybe the 'packaged' hype should've waited until you're sure where you want to commit?
He's young and idealistic. I mean no harm to their relationship and I would want to play with my good friend too. But, you have to eventually admit, we need to do what's best for their futures too. It's time to grow up and become a young man. Many of these "kids" are entering a man's world now. Many are one year away from playing with men in a very difficult league. I loved Wig's comments about the games physicality and pace during his ESPN interview with Bilas. He gets it. He realizes that he's entering a more mature level of play in D1 basketball. I think some of these kids are mistaken and think they will play like they did in high school or they can act like they did in high school. Well, I'm afraid Jones is in for a rude awakening. All I'm saying is it's time to grow up and start thinking like a young man in college and not a little boy in high school.
As I've said before, I'll be happy either way. Alex and Turner is a great duo. It seems that Ok is watching Embiid, and Turner is waiting on Ok, maybe? It's all good and the kids will do what's best for them in the end, not this uninformed poster of a fan...if they use my posts as a determination, they have other problems, haha.
Many of the 'package' theorist are dead set on the two playing together at dook. I would almost imagine that most are dook fans or dook supporters. However, if Chukwudi (aka, Jahlil's dad) posted this message, then many critics are basically challenging an extremely reliable source close to Okafor himself. If my single dad is tweeting info that my son may be looking to a program other than the one most are expecting (dook), then I'd be careful how you start rumors.
Apparently, the dook rumor mill and many dook media supporters are calling Chukwudi, his dad out. One funny analyst just said that Chukwudi and Jones are working out details. All should be well according to one dook hopeful. I don't see Okafor's dad negotiating with a 18/19 yr and working out details for his son's future. Dook may be great for Jones, but not necessarily Jahlil. I have a funny feeling that Jones is being unusually petty and spoiled with Jahlil over this packaged recruiting publicity. I honestly believe Jahlil wants to commit KU and Jones throws a little fit. Chukwudi has to explain to him that his son needs to go where they develop bigs, not guards. Jones is letting his personal feelings get the best of his relationship with Okafor. In short, he's being a selfish baby. But I do believe they are good friends and could remain friends if Jones will let go of the 'package' idea.
ah ha...he seems to be dook or bust
ajvan- Coach K has been long in recruiting a true big and then getting them in to the league too. Parker is the only fair big he's landed of any quality lately. What's really funny, it's Wojo that is developing the bigs at Dook, along with Capel. Wojo is like 5'11" or at a generous 6' ? Oh well, I really don't think Jones goes dook without Ok. I think if Ok commits KU, he goes Gophers.
Here's a nice trivia question: Who is the last good big NBA player from dook?
Danny Ferry
Christian Laettner
Elton Brand
Shane Battier
Sheldon Williams (2002...yep...11 yrs since Coach Consanants (according to Jaybate) has recruited a quality big. No love lost with Jaybate over Coach K.
Then if you look at this list, they haven't had too many bigs at all since Williams. Parker is the biggest recruit since Sheldon Williams.
Your hi/lo point is valid. Ellis can help develop them into the hi/lo system.
LOL- Mista Miyagi...keep teaching waxa on and waxa off. Your first way is very possible. Your 'or' is a bit off, possible, but Alex and Ok have said a few times how they would love to work in the Self high/low big system. Those two, with Ellis leading them would be SICK! I would still be happy with one of the two. It's still sick. I do think if we land Ok, we lose out on Turner. This is what I don't understand about recruits. If they are as interested in a program as they initially say, why wait so long? Enjoy the recruiting process for a time, then decide. Another recruit may commit to your program and even your position. I'd take Turner too. Either recruit is a win win or win. You don't lose on either of these guys.
Ok may be closer than we realize. All these guys want a NC. Oubre has got to be talking to both these bigs. Remember, Miyagi, Alex is a 4 (with Ellis as his mentor), and Ok is a 5...Anything is possible at this point.
I have a drink in my hand and am raising it to each of you. 'Here's to OK and Alex, may they be crimson and blue.'
I can't stop posting about this tweet. Think about Tharpe, White, Oubre, Ellis/Alexander, and Okafor. Oh my...2014 is looking nasty with a Senior pg, Junior 2, frosh 3, Junior 4/frosh 4, and a frosh 5...it's sick, just sick.
My hopes are totally high right now. Either way, we'll be even greater in 2014 with our leadership and incoming frosh class.
haha...I love it. Dook fans are extremely concerned with this tweet from Okafor's camp. I tend to believe that if this was nothing, didn't mean it, or wasn't true, his dad wouldn't have tweeted. Jayhawk Nation...we may have another #1 recruit gracing the hill yet again...It's sooo great being a Jayhawk.
Taylor Ostrick @Ostrickk_T 31 Oct
@DaddyofaPro wait. what??
DukeForum @DukeForum 31 Oct
Uh oh... Smokescreen RT @DaddyofaPro: What school will this child chose. ..great problem to have. . pic.twitter.com/SEdmHQDXNJ
Ben Pinkleton @BenPinkleton 31 Oct
@DaddyofaPro We're burning incense and sage in the hopes he's wearing the duke shirt. lol
I've thought this all along. I really thought Self made a huge impression with the Okafors. Jahlil's dad loves Self since that initial in home visit. I do think Okafor/Jones want to play together, but it appears to be changing. I could still see Jones going to dook and Okafor committing to KU. Self has a better record with bigs in the league.
I really think because Okafor hasn't made a commitment to dook just yet, that he's watching Embiid. Embiid seems to be Okafor's litmus and if he commits, he must think Embiid is going pro. Self and Co should be working out the details at this point for Okafor and Alexander. We need three: Wiggins and Black will cover Oubre and Alexander. Embiid is the final piece to this recruiting plan. Even if Embiid stays, it will be interesting if Okafor commits how Self works the details. Well, where's there's a will, there's a way. Come on down 'Alex' and 'Ok', there's a spot with your name written all over it. I am stoked with the possibility of landing Alex and Ok, with Oubre?...Sick!! Rock Chalk
Far- I'll never understand why people defer to HEM, slayr, and Ralster. Your points are pretty accurate. Not sure what you mean by a "more technical analysis." Good points all...
Mason can still redshirt. I don't see it though. I'm leaning toward Frankamp. He's still adjusting and it appears he may take a bit longer than some of the others. Greene was great and loved his shooting exhibition. It appeared Greene and White were the most consistent from the perimeter. Naa has no choice but to perform. He looked confident at the pg. I'm not worried about the little Chicago incident. Our in house NCAA rep seems to think it's all addressed and the one game suspension will fit the infraction of Naa. They may come back and up our exhibition and say he needs to miss the first non-con game. But, as Self said, it's a game for a game. It sounds fair and the matter is settled.
Page? or did you mean Forte? But good point on Brown as a motor. It will be good for Ellis. I would see maybe Greene as a better match for Brown.
I love the hype between KU and OSU. The Smart chatter in KC is amusing. Let's take one step at a time. If you look at KU and OSU, it's funny how people are forgetting the other players. Smart can't beat all 5-6 guys at KU.
Tharpe-Smart= We all know that Smart is better than Naa.
Selden-Forte?= Do I even have to make a comment?
Wigs-Nash= Nash has been such an under achiever up to this point. Unless he has a major adjustment, I don't see him doing much against Wigs.
Ellis-Brown= This is a good matchup for Ellis. Brown is at his ceiling and we all know Ellis is possibly the best player in the B12 right now. It's Brown's, but Ellis will hold his own. I think Traylor will be a nice match defensively for Brown. Brown likes to go outside.
Black-Gaskins= Gaskins is an unproven community college transfer. Black is a D1 NCAA tourney transfer from Memphis. Black has size and experience. Embiid and Lucas can handle Gaskins.
KU's main threat is Smart. I don't see OSU matching too well with KU. I will be interested to see Ellis and Brown. Self may prepare Selden to match Smart this game and Tharpe to match Forte.
Selden-Smart (Self said that Selden may play some pg)
Tharpe-Forte
Wigs-Nash
Ellis-Brown
Black-Gaskins
I love the reports about the chemistry. The chemistry is there, growing, and only getting better. I read comments from other programs and it's always, "if" we have chemistry, "if" we play together, "if" we learn to be unselfish. I love how Self addresses "me-ism" early in the recruiting process. Players know it's not about them. It's a team effort.
Don't think Vaughn is needed nor does it appear that KU is high on his list.
Hem- I don't see Tharpe flopping much. I think he'll have his moments. But this is his junior year and it's go time for Tharpe. This year solidifies him as a KU pg. He either sinks or swims. IF he flops, I could see Mason stepping up big for the chance to get significant pt.
I am just giddy over Greene. I love this kid and his talent. He is long, lean, big, handles the ball well, and can shoot as well as anyone. I hope he gets a chance to play this year and to make an impact. I see AW3 playing mostly behind Wigs. Self is huge on AW3. I love that we'll have Greene and AW3 for a few more years.
Joel- I think we have a great chance at Turner and a fair chance at Okafor. You may be right, but I think we land Alexander and possibly Okafor and a huge chance of landing Turner.
HEM- There is a possibility that if they separate, Jones stays in Minnesota and Okafor goes KU. I really think Okafor likes Self's high-low. Alexander and Okafor really like the idea of playing on the same team too. That would be a nasty high-low combo. I say we get Alexander and very likely Okafor at this point. The media is so set on the 'packaged deal' they forget too that Okafor would 'like' to play with Alexander. He's not going to make a decision solely on the package deal hype.
If we miss on Okafor, then Turner is our next big.
All due respect to Jones, but watched some vids of him. I like his handles and he seems to have a great nose for the ball. I like his passing. However, a lot of what he does in high school is going to be more difficult in college. I just don't think he'll get away with all those pretty passes and penetrating moves against equal or greater talent.
Don't get me wrong, he's a great talent. I just wonder if they will stay a package deal. I see his situation at dook the same with Cook. But he'll play some at dook behind Cook. Cook is a Junior just like Tharpe. I like Mason over Jones at this point. Dook doesn't have bigs to feed either, except Parker. I'm going out on a limb and say the package idea is going to end. I don't see them going to the schools where they will each make an impact together.
approx.- thanks for your great work. This took some planning and it's much appreciated.
Anyone have any good insights to Okafor/Jones?
Turner?
Alexander?
I hate waiting.
I think we get Alexander for sure and pending Okafor's choice, Turner seems to be waiting on Embiid and Okafor.
Any thoughts on the recruiting saga?
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