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KU by 1/2 point is my guess but we really could lose. We feel good about beating Kentucky, but then they lose another game getting blown out by GTech. So after our NDSU 'loss' my confidence is waning but, well, we are KU and we win games like todays a lot.

What's with a 4:00 start? No biggy for me, but I'm guessing might be a hardship for some.

What are the odds this discussion makes it as the in game thread this time?

In a normal environment, I would guess KU finds a way to win this game by 7. But with COVID and all of the changes in protocol, you can't be sure what a team will look like in any given situation. Creighton may show up not ready to play, or absolutely ready to go, or somewhere in between. I have watched several games where it looked like one team slept through a half of basketball. I don't know if its the smaller crowds (or no crowds at all). KU may show up ready. They may not.

Individual players may not be 100% focused if there are family situations, especially in a COVID world where you could find out bad news at any moment.

Not very good! How was your day teaching? IF I remember right, you're a teacher too.

@wissox

Early start due to ACC/BIG 10 Challenge. Scheduling conflicts

We need to shoot more threes.

Some fans in the gym right?

2500

Let's get it

@wissox said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Not very good! How was your day teaching? IF I remember right, you're a teacher too.

Indeed. State testing make up day so I got to watch 2 kids take a test all day. It was loads of fun.

@benshawks08 Still have about 90% of my students learning remotely so the rest of the time I'm on zoom. It sucks.

@benshawks08 I have been home all year. Kind of nice. No complaints although I've got a formal observation this week. King of strange in remote learning.

Same starters.

I don't get nervous until the last minute. It's my policy and I'm sticking to it.

Guide on TV says we're playing Creighton Blue Jays. My confidence was based on thinking we were playing a pro baseball team.

Being reported Creighton traveled well fan wise. Disappointing if true

@wissox I pushed my formal to the spring. Definitely strange. Remote is better than it was in the spring last year. Are you high school?

I normally cheer for BIG teams in the ACC/BIG challenge, but I hope UNC destroys Iowa.

@benshawks08 6th grade science.

@BeddieKU23 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Being reported Creighton traveled well fan wise. Disappointing if true

Yeah...it's close and well, Nebraskans. I wouldn't go to a game still, tbh.

Come on Marcus. Thats sad

woof

It begins

Turnovers...

Holy crap, why are all these people from Creighton there? Cheering for creighton in our gym? This is disgusting.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

It begins

Might get blown out.

David non existent on d

We cannot guard pick and roll like that

Executed a fast break!

Wilson is like the only player I have confidence in finishing around the rim.

Wilson!!

Very nice Jalen

Yeah not even guarded

First three of the year right on cue.

@BShark Every time

Right on cue for a Dave moving screen

We should shoot more threes.

@BShark Wilson has the green light

Our pick and roll defense is beyond trash

@BeddieKU23 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Our pick and roll defense is beyond trash

HEINOUS

So fake crowd noise when Creighton scores. That's not right.

@BShark

Zeg is really good in it but man

@DanR Someone said there's a lot of creighton fans there. That can't be true can it?

@DanR Either that, or the entire city of Eudora turned out to root for their guy.

Wow Marcus saved a possession that was destined for a bad shot.

I know the guy hasn't made a 3 all year, but at least put a hand up or something, even if you're playing off him.

Did I just watch Dave get bodied by a dude he outweighs by 50 lbs?

@wissox

People at the game reporting there are

This 4:00 start is going to mess me up for the rest of the week. Tomorrow is Monday, I assume.

@Kcmatt7

Yes. The white dude on St Joes did the same thing

@BeddieKU23 first 3 of the year was Dave's man the possession before the moving screen. Wide open.

@Kcmatt7 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Did I just watch Dave get bodied by a dude he outweighs by 50 lbs?

It continues to boggle my mind.

Dave is the softest man to ever be that size that may have ever lived.

@approxinfinity

Like clockwork! He was 15 feet away from him

Reminder that Self really wanted Ballock, but Ballock was worried about playing time. :(

@Kcmatt7 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Dave is the softest man to ever be that size that may have ever lived.

I've decided that he stands too tall. Thinks he is using his height but is just letting the other guy get the lower center of gravity.

Hasn't shot it great just means he was due to light us up.

Ballock destined for career game

Missed lay-up into a fast break because of course.

That shot by Ochai was soft. Non aggressive shot leads to a timeout

Seriously wtf on the crowd noise? Is this Bill's doing?

I really don't know how Creighton got all these fans in the game? I'd think people would be desperate for tickets and wouldn't want to give them up for Creighton fans.

I guess rather than try to figure out which KU fans to let in, they just let in Creighton fans

People thought Braun could go pro after this year? I like him but lol.

Big 3

@BShark

Haha. 4 yr guy

Another gripe I have: I don't like the Crimson color for our score box

Dave... made it?

He just went TOWARD THE BASKET!!!!

Ha that was so uncoordinated

Okay Dave

@benshawks08 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

He just went TOWARD THE BASKET!!!!

I have to believe someone had a talk with Dave after that last game

Jalen for threeee

Good stuff

We do have some talent on this team folks

@wissox Need to take more threes is my main thing.

Two TERRIBLE passes from Ochai

Lucky there

Ochai still can't pass

Garret's shot looks a little more graceful this year

Ochai should be 3 and d only.

Well. We're making shots and the defense looks okay. It definitely could be worse.

@DanR A little more graceful than....what, Doke's?

I remember that 1974 NCAA Tournament game against Creighton. Ted Owens ran a double post offense with Danny Knight and Rick Suttle, with Norm Cook, Dale Greenlee, Roger Morningstar and Tom Kivisto.

After we won that one we beat Oral Roberts to go to the Final Four. Lost to Marquette, then had to face Bill Walton and UCLA in the third place game (back when they had such a thing). They'd gotten upset by NC State (w/David Thompson) in the other semi. Jayhawks ended up in fourth place.

11-0 run?

It's not spinning sideways this year at least!

@wissox said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

@DanR A little more graceful than....what, Doke's?

T-F. Can't look it up. Doke shot 3 pointers in his college career.

Marcus has a solid looking shot this year tbh.

Tyon is in

David feasting

Nice to see Big Dave because I always liked the guy

Nice plays Dave play to your size

@BShark Another toward the basket look (preceded by a fade away hook....)

Weren't we supposed to get obliterated with D-Mac on the court.....?

Thats a Foul

Dave got destroyed by Creighton and no whistle.

Good 10 minutes for big dave

@BeddieKU23 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Thats a Foul

Just gonna let Dave get hacked I see.

Good call

Hooked him twice

Good take from Marcus even though he missed

Zigahookski

That was a brick by 24

Och lost confidence

Foul

What is this lineup.

@Crimsonorblue22 Gotta let em fly

Wow call some Fouls refs.

Defense has stiffened since the timeout

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

What is this lineup.

BILL KEKW

layup issues again

Tyon come on

Pass it

@DanR said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

layup issues again

Strugggglin

Got a pass that to tristan even though he was standing there like a tree and would probably have missed it anyway

Call a foul. For real

Ugh.

Seemingly 3 drives in a row have been fouls not called. Make that 4 now

@DanR

Yeppp

Pass the ball TGF

oooof

Bill please

Guys like Ballak (sp) and the Wisconsin QB make me sick to my stomach.

Newbies trying to get time by scoring

@KirkIsMyHinrich Gotta keep it close so he can see if his boys can grind

This game went full dumb

Enaruna in before Mitch btw

@BShark

Good move imo

@nuleafjhawk Which Wisconsin QB?

@BShark I'll take Mitch instead, if that's an option

Watching Shareef Mitchell foul 4 times on that last possession on rewind

@DanR I think current mitch is better than current tristan but future tristan hopefully has a significant edge.

@BeddieKU23 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Watching Shareef Mitchell foul 4 times on that last possession on rewind

"Heating up Marcus Garret"

@wissox Isnt their freshman QB from Blue Valley N. or somewhere?

@BeddieKU23 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

@BShark

Good move imo

This should be the case every game.

Finally our best player enters the game.

@benshawks08 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

@DanR I think current mitch is better than current tristan but future tristan hopefully has a significant edge.

Agree. Both are bad right now, tbh.

@nuleafjhawk Oh yeah, Graham Mertz. He was highly recruited. So far he's been a little less than advertised but the team is a mess at the receiver position so that doesn't help.

Haven't connected a lob yet

Complete waste

What a joke of a shot

That was good d by Dave to be fair

Robbie Hummel you made the right choice in college

Complete bail out three, hate it.

That was lucky

Nice charge. Ochai needs to sit down

Good work Brawn

2 official fouls for Mitchell but he fouled out nearly on one play

d!

Why is Jalen not playing more?

If only Dave could bend his knees and jump

Dave looks worn out

@BShark fouls?

First dunk in a long time for the hawks

@Crimsonorblue22 Jalen has ZERO

Nice!

I thought Jalen hit a three ?

@DanR Think he has two lay ups

@DanR Shot a three but missed it

Wilson has 7 points

Maybe he did make one...

so we're all correct, zero fouls hit a couple layups and a three

Yeah Jalen has played well 3-4 from the floor, 3 rebounds. Not sure why he has been on the bench so long, hope he is okay.

Yeah not sure why he has sat so long

I really have a problem with some of the lineups today.

Also I think Dave almost missed that dunk.

@KirkIsMyHinrich He was not very far above the rim

@KirkIsMyHinrich

I don't get it

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

I really have a problem with some of the lineups today.

Same, not sure what Self is doing.

@benshawks08 a 7 pointer

Now that was a real dunk

@DanR My stream must be behind

@DanR Was really hoping you meant KU on that dunk

Yes

This is a really weird line-up.

Wilson comes in and gives up a dunk and fouls on poor before the catch work

Braun may have walked on the assist

JALEN BALLLER

Ochai travelled.

Rumors of Wilson's demise greatly exaggerated.

you suppose garret could have at least TRIED to get that 3pt rebound ????

@benshawks08 yes, hesitated

Wow! Could have gone the other way

JAlen is balling

"a precocious situation?"

@wissox said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Rumors of Wilson's demise greatly exaggerated.

I just want him to play more, lol.

@nwhawkfan Lol

"Only 6'7""

Time for the off-the-butt play

Marcus looks so unathletic this yr

I haven't seen anyone get this many shots blocked since the Frank "bad ball" season.

Less fadeaways David plz

@Kcmatt7 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

I haven't seen anyone get this many shot blocks since the Frank "bad ball" season.

Yeah, the staff wants Garrett to drive, so it's annoying.

Could be worser

Very happy with the effort out there. Completely different from last week

Can't complain too much about our defense.

Yea up 4 and it really didn't even seem like we played overly well. I'll take it

@nwhawkfan

Definitely played fairly well

@BeddieKU23 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Very happy with the effort out there. Completely different from last week

Yeah I feel like, the NDSU game in particular, guys were just exhausted.

We've had some close 3-point misses.

@Kcmatt7 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Yea up 4 and it really didn't even seem like we played overly well. I'll take it

Played better when Bill put our best player (Jalen) back in.

I just gouged my eyes out listening to seth

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

We've had some close 3-point misses.

Yeah at least three of them that were in and out.

Garrett needs to learn to kick it out on drives.

Dave 5-8 is solid. Two of those were terrible shots too.

@nwhawkfan said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Can't complain too much about our defense.

Defense has been solid

Given all the COVID news, I'm grateful we even have 2000 fans in the building (even if it sometimes sounds like we get outcheered by the Blue Jay fans).

@BShark said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Garrett needs to learn to kick it out on drives.

he has to quit forcing shots

Marcus 1-7 - only make was that catch and shoot 3.

Ochai with 0.

Tell me that those two would be playing this way and we'd be up at half and I'd probably laugh at you.

@Kcmatt7 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Marcus 1-7 - only make was that catch and shoot 3.

Ochai with 0.

Tell me that those two would be playing this way and we'd be up at half and I'd probably laugh at you.

Oachi has those periods where he just vanishes - -did he even attempt a shot ?

Defense was pretty decent. Marcus and Ochai need to play better.

I would rather have Marcus take a three than a lay-up at this point.

We need Oachi this 2nd half

You're telling me ESPN can't find a better analyst than Seth Greenberg?

Don't disparage Uncle Fester. He's doing his best.

Duke gets MSU at home in the Champions classic and Illinois at home in the challenge.

doing pretty solid on D. -- This is a team that only averages 7 turnovers a game -- and they have 7 already at the half

@wissox And they're going to lose both

@wissox said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Duke gets MSU at home in the Champions classic and Illinois at home in the challenge.

ya Imagine that lol

@Kcmatt7 I sure hope so. I tried to recruit Adam Miller to KU. I failed. Would love to see him go off on Duke.

5 o'clock, pitch black out here in Chicago already. I hate December

Yeah Agbaji needs to step up but given what we know about him, when he struggles to make baskets he often goes silent. His passing has been bad. Defense has been good. Need to get him going. They tried on the lob and of course the pass was not good

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Facts lol

Bad

Damn Dave

Bad shot

How are we winning a game without Ochai scoring?

Dave unplayable on defense

Missed an easy shot

sigh

Wow.

WOW JALEN

@wissox

2 guys have over half points

w/e you say about Jalen, you can never say he doesn't want it holy shit

@BShark

And then he misses

@BShark

Bigtime effort guy

Defend the ball screen. Baddddd

Och!

Hahahahaja

Dave wyd

@BShark

Went Charlie moore

Bill. Stop it bro. You have 15 guards on the roster, quit playing through Dave

Dave's gone back to being Dave

Oh gosh I missed that 3. What a moving screen

Wilson pure

Just a bit late on that foul call

@wissox said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Dave's gone back to being Dave

Dave's showing Doke range from outside 5 feet

This is a good game.

@Kcmatt7

Insanity at its finest by definition

Ochai struggle game

Maybe we haven't seen Wilson miss enough shots yet, but it's been a while since we've had a guy whose every shot you think is going in...

@BShark

Did have an assist and steal recently.

And just like that Dave goes from 5-8 to 5-11

@Kcmatt7 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

And just like that Dave goes from 5-8 to 5-11

As terrible this half as he was good in the first.

I must do the sensible thing and go eat dinner that my wife has prepared. I will still be watching, but not chatting. I as the original moderator of this post bequeath the responsibility to @nuleafjhawk because I know he will keep things under control until I return.

@Kcmatt7

Law of averages... back to 40%

@DanR said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Maybe we haven't seen Wilson miss enough shots yet, but it's been a while since we've had a guy whose every shot you think is going in...

He did miss 10 shots against NDSU but yeah, his form is quite good.

Getting to see his shooting that he was known for in HS

Ochai needs to O-try harder!

I'll show myself out

Wilson CPOY hype start rn

Wow. And one too

SAD PLAY DAVE

David can find the bench

Wtf kind of shot is that

CB going full STUPID

You just can't do that CB

Creighton has been a 2nd half team this yr

CB should never pass up an open three to drive

Does Thompson know how to go left?

Mitch in a provides the spark again

What is this lineup?

Welp I'll sit down

Probably not a foul, but we deserved several recently

Wtf is that call

CALL IT BOTH WAYS

@BShark

Marcus hammered on his layup

Wow that's a nice pass from Thompson

Love the effort. Big time pass by bryce

Also, guys and girls. What should I get Jalen Wilson for Christmas?

Creighton's 7-footer is their Dave

@KirkIsMyHinrich

3 more years!

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Wow that's a nice pass from Thompson

He is going to be very good for us, just needs time. I know I'm repeating this a lot, but I fully believe it from what I've seen and heard about him.

@DanR

KU recruited him fyi

@KirkIsMyHinrich He probably has plenty of volleyballs

@BeddieKU23 He could have been OUR Dave then

@BeddieKU23 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

@DanR

KU recruited him fyi

Recruited adjacent.

Ochai 0/4 shooting and 3 TOs. Jeez

@stoptheflop The turnovers have been bad too.

@DanR

Ranked around Gethro so he isn't expected to be great yet. Creighton just doesn't have any one else big

@BeddieKU23 KU preferred Gethro fwiw

EL BANCO

Oooooooo

LOL OKAY

Oops

Good foul mitch

@BShark

We finally had one go in

Charge!!!!

Are you kidding me ref

Ball don't lie

He was out

Weird mask on coach McDermott. Reminds me of a bald guy wearing a visor.

Wilson is really good at finding Marcus for a kick out. Not sure how useful that is. But he does it.

Foul

For anyone wondering about Dajuan's jump shot

FOULLLLLLL

Send BIGS

Mitch is not good

Come on mitch

Now show something Dave!

Make free throws

@BeddieKU23 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Come on mitch

Glue him to the bench

@BShark He stole some possessions for us.

Just play 5 guards

Mitch was a perfect role player on a loaded team of the past few years. Now when we need a big to spell Dave he is showing not much

Weren't we down 4 when mitch came in?

He didn't even look at the fricken hoop

DAVID STOP TAKING FADEAWAYS

@BShark

Just stop shooting period. Black 🕳

If I see one more one handed circus shot from that kid......well, he's 7 feet tall, I don't know what I'd do to him, but...

@BeddieKU23 He’s gone to the basket a couple of times in the first half. If he can do that I’m cool with it.

@benshawks08

So 2 out of his 12 shots from a 6 10 guy.. not good enough.

@benshawks08 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

@BeddieKU23 He’s gone to the basket a couple of times in the first half. If he can do that I’m cool with it.

I just want him to rebound and put backs. Nothing else.

Did they quit teaching just a simple drop step in Lawrence?

Dave has gone down in FG% by 10 percent per season so far. Was 60 as frosh, 40 now.

We still aren't shooting enough threes tbh. 8-18...

Dave does this thing where he makes every shot 138% harder than it has to be. It's fun to watch.

looked like goat tending

Och😢

@Kcmatt7 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Did they quit teaching just a simple drop step in Lawrence?

The real problem is I think he thinks he’s doing a drop step.

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Jesse knows

goal whatever

Changed directions

@Kcmatt7 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Did they quit teaching just a simple drop step in Lawrence?

Hard to do that move in nba2k21. I'm convinced that's how everyone "practices" the nuances of the game

@BShark Have to force the ball into a 40% big. Why shoot a 33% three when you can score two?

aNaLytIcS

Wow goal tending much these refs are such trash

Sigh

David sucks period

WTF that looked like goal tending too

Bryce has the devonte elbow pull up pretty much mastered

Bryce

Bryce

HEINOUS CALL AGAINST HARRIS

Refs padding their stats

Good D

Great defense there

They haven’t heard enough about how good at d he is.

Theres our new guy

The elbow pull up again

Offensive board for Dave WHOO HOOO!

BRYCE BUCKETS

Brick city

Getting lucky over helping on drives.

McCormack is the only 7 footer I've seen that can't dunk 2 handed

How do you miss that dunk

GOOD LORD DAVE LOOOOOOOOOOL HOW

@BeddieKU23 When you can’t bend your knees.

1 of 2 on dunk attempts for Dave, and the first one was not pretty

Decent free throw shooter

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@DanR To be fair, I'm 0-2 on dunk attempts

Only us can blow a 3 on 1

Bad pass from Marcus

Can't make a fricken layup

SLOPS

That was ugly basketball

That fast break was a failure by half court

@BeddieKU23 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Only us can blow a 3 on 1

Jay’s did it earlier...

@DanR should have gone to Braun right away.

No more Dave fadeaways plz.

If we stop doing stupid things we might win.

@BShark

I'm praying he sits the last of this

Dotson should have stayed in college

I haven't had the pendulums of emotions of we're going to be champions this year to I hate watching basketball as much as I've had during this game. For every moment of brilliance...so many dumb mistakes

Ochai still on a bagel, would not have thought KU would be leading if you told me that.

What can Braun do for you?

Delivers

Confusing indeed. I have no idea how that play worked.

What can't Dave do for you?

Wheres the foul??

Bill with a great out of timeout play. Then that happens...

The foul was on Bryce not Dave.

5 v 2 on rebound....and Dave is playing paddy cake with the backboard and the jays are shooting a free throw for a 3 point play

@bmensch1

You can't make that up if you tried

Dave still HAS to get the initial rebound. But he's a bad rebounder so...

Just checking in very late. Looking at stats. Looks like Dave was okay in the first half, but he is oh-fer this half?

@DCHawker

Yep first half he was good. 2nd half poop on a stick

@DCHawker he hit a free throw and missed a dunk. Got one good offensive rebound that mattered

@BeddieKU23 if all the verticals were added...they may equal 1 done. We have as many athletes as ochai points

Imagine if Dave went strong instead of fadeaways and was willing to pass back out sometimes?

He was ok offensively first half. He was average defensively and didn't set screens.

Wilson is something, man

@approxinfinity said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

He was ok offensively first half. He was average defensively and didn't set screens.

Agree, he can get benched lol

What the eff is up with Ochai???

At this point I'm not imagining what Dave could be. I'm imagining what his replacement could be. It's less mental effort.

@DCHawker said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

What the eff is up with Ochai???

Struggle game

Bryce has been good

Jinx

Imagine if Dave could rebound

Looks like somebody knows how to make a fadeaway shot...DAVE.

CB got abused that last possession on D.

@approxinfinity said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Bryce has been good

Jinx

Love that take though, that's his shot.

@BShark The last two really.

@approxinfinity

At this rate another year of him starting would be torture

15-43 from inside the arc. That ain't good....

Wow

That two man game earlier with Dave and Marcus was fugly. Marcus banging an open runner off glass. Dave nowhere in position to board.

Marcus Iverson Garrett

@DCHawker

So many missed layups. Lots of blocks too

@DCHawker said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

15-43 from inside the arc. That ain't good....

Like I said, we should take a lot more threes. Just embrace it.

Agbaji has 5 boards, 4 assists, 2 steals

what is this announcer talking about missed call?

Marcus

Don't need BT out there right now.

This announcer needs to go home.

Of course

Of course Bryce got hammered on that steal.

Wtf bryce wtf

YIKES

Up 5 with a chance to be up 6 and 20 seconds later it's tied. Come on

Wilson!

@BeddieKU23 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Up 5 with a chance to be up 6 and 20 seconds later it's tied. Come on

Just sad really. Though yeah, Bryce was fouled.

Looked like his toe was on the line

Please no dave

Freshman make freshman plays. Bad turnover

NOW JUST MAKE A DAMN FREE THROW

I know Ochai has not been good, but I'd rather see him out there right now than Bryce

Imagine Dave passing it back out and a good play happens!

OK, Ochai in.

Thank the lord for Jalen Wilson

Come on CB. WE NEED THIS FREEBIE

BS foul

10-22 from three, 36% from 2

Holy hell

Wtf

Trash call

I just don't get it

I can't believe how many Creighton fans they've shown in our gym during this game.

Braun you had one f job

Block out!!!!

Braun miss looms large now

I feel bad for the kid's mom

Overtime ugh

U freaking real

Exhale

Bill never fouling up three is so awful

WOW

A win is a win. Rock chalk!

@BShark said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Bill never fouling up three is so awful

Gotta agree. It’s just the best move now.

How are we 5-1. lol

PHEW

I'll take the win!!

Oh what a game!

@DanR said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

A win is a win. Rock chalk!

Especially a win over a Top Ten team.

Good job rebounding, good overall effort.

THis team doesn't like to make it look easy, that's for sure

I tend to agree with the posters who say this team is a year away.

The good news is that it's early enough in the season for them to develop some chemistry.

@BeddieKU23 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

I'll take the win!!

I'm getting to old for these kind of games

Anyone remember when there was so much talk about how Jalen wouldn't see that minutes talking how he would have few minutes ? - - - I do - - 23-10 - double double again tonight

I'm worried we have 2 more years of McCormack. The kid doesn't get it.

Not Dave's day...week...year.

@approxinfinity don't say things like this.

@approxinfinity said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

I'm worried we have 2 more years of McCormack. The kid doesn't get it.

the kid helped us stay in it the 1st half

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

How are we 5-1. lol

Schedule and most of cbb is down tbh. Like looking at the games of other teams in the top 10, it's pretty derp.

Thompson hit some big shots for us in the 2nd half - - made some freshmen mistakes also but he will be ok takes time

Maybe we were spoiled by having Azubuike, especially the way he played late in the season last year. Not a fair comparison?

@approxinfinity said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

I'm worried we have 2 more years of McCormack. The kid doesn't get it.

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He shot 5-7 in the first half and that's all he did. If he wasn't in there other people would have scored and contributed more to the game. He left wide open shooters all night, didn't rebound well, never ever holds a screen, got called for a moving one, shot off balance garbage after the first 10 minutes, there just is very little to like. Still can't time a blocked shot for the life of him.

@approxinfinity said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

He shot 5-7 in the first half and that's all he did. If he wasn't in there other people would have scored and contributed more to the game. He left wide open shooters all night, didn't rebound well, never ever holds a screen, got called for a moving one, shot off balance garbage after the first 10 minutes, there just is very little to like. Still can't time a blocked shot for the life of him.

Sorry you feel that way - I'll be sure and let Coach know lmao

Won a game against a top 10 opponent where Ochai did nothing offensively. Impressive.

@BShark said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Won a game against a top 10 opponent where Ochai did nothing offensively. Impressive.

As well as TGF

@BeddieKU23 That's really not as surprising to me, he's gonna be hit/miss all year. Ochai had been playing consistently well.

I try to think of the criticisms of Doke. Some were similar. Couldn't defend the 3, couldn't rebound particularly well. But that stuff ended when he got in shape. Dave appears to be in shape but has gotten worse not better his Jr year and is a way way worse scorer while having the same massive usage rate.

Well look at it like this. - - - Oachi lays a big FAT ZERO - -contributes nothing and we still find a way to win. -- Oachi has times like this where you don't even knows he is there

@approxinfinity

His usage rate is 10% higher then Doke. Self has got to have a funeral on this feed Dave 15-20 possessions a game nonsense

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@BShark said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Won a game against a top 10 opponent where Ochai did nothing offensively. Impressive.

As well as TGF

you beat me to that post - -Agree

I think about how well this roster shoots, then you take Garrett off, and add Clemence. Assuming Jalen hangs around college hoops, next year will be very salty. Clemence is an ELITE shooter, that happens to be about 6'10''. We are super fortunate he grew up a KU superfan. Thanks mom!

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Yeah Ochai had one of those nights. At least he defended and did a few other things

Thompson looked good until he lost his poise. Really enjoy his foul line pull up. Pretty money.

@approxinfinity said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Thompson looked good until he lost his poise. Really enjoy his foul line pull up. Pretty money.

Yeah he has been flashing why he will be good a few times this year. We could see a really big leap next year.

Dave had 13 points & 7 rebounds. Pretty decent night all in all ya 3 TO's but if you want to be honest we should be happy with that - - we shouldn't need much more then that on an average night, point wise no reason we need more then tht with the other scorers we have on this team - -if we can get that kind of production out of him on a regular basis - - - I'm fine. - -If we would of gotten diddly squat out of Oachi wouldn't of had to worry about it - -when you have him flat line then people magnify other players play. - -I mean come on ya maybe if you want to get really picky he could of gotten 2-3 more rebounds.

Yet if you look at it and see what he contributed tonight comparing it to what he has been getting and getting this kind of contribution against a really good quality opponent like this - -unless your just a chronic complainer you need to realize this is progress from him - -he is going to be fine

Our offense is the same as last year: play through the center. But, our personnel is way different. Anyone else surprised by how much of our offense is run through Dave?

@stoptheflop I'm very interested to see the offense after the Christmas break. Bill seems to be trying to figure things out still.

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Somebody help me out. - -Wasn't we originally suppose to play Tennessee this season ?

I miss the energy Dok brought to the team; the way Dok sprinted down the court and even got out on the breaks. Dave has very little energy and is slow getting back down court on defense. But, Dave did a few things on offense that worked. Maybe he'll get better.

@jayballer67 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Somebody help me out. - -Wasn't we originally suppose to play Tennessee this season ?

B12/SEC Challenge against Tenn. is on Jan. 30.

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Yeah its in January

@jayballer67 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Dave had 13 points & 7 rebounds. Pretty decent night all in all ya 3 TO's but if you want to be honest we should be happy with that - - we shouldn't need much more then that on an average night, point wise no reason we need more then tht with the other scorers we have on this team - -if we can get that kind of production out of him on a regular basis - - - I'm fine. - -If we would of gotten diddly squat out of Oachi wouldn't of had to worry about it - -when you have him flat line then people magnify other players play. - -I mean come on ya maybe if you want to get really picky he could of gotten 2-3 more rebounds.

Yet if you look at it and see what he contributed tonight comparing it to what he has been getting and getting this kind of contribution against a really good quality opponent like this - -unless your just a chronic complainer you need to realize this is progress from him - -he is going to be fine

I would like to be glass half full on this, but...It was a tale of two halves. Dave had a solid first half, but not so much in the second. 0-5 in the second half, a couple of turnovers, 1-2 from the line, and 3-4 rebounds. But, to his credit, he wasn't a black hole at the end and kicked it out to Jalen for what turned out to be the game winner...

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@jayballer67 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

Somebody help me out. - -Wasn't we originally suppose to play Tennessee this season ?

B12/SEC Challenge against Tenn. is on Jan. 30.

ya thanks I seen that on another site after I posed this. - that's gonna be a tough one

@jayballer67 I agree its progress and I hope it continues. However, Im a Harris fan and I'd like to see he, TGF and Enaruna continue to get meaningful minutes because they are also important. My frustration with poor play from Dave is in large part because I know we have a lot of other talent that gets it on the bench when he's in.

@approxinfinity There are reasons Harris didn't get as much time tonight. Creighton is well coached (unlike say, Kentucky) and when we had him out there Creighton was rightfully ignoring him on offense. Once he shot that three, it confirmed what they already knew.

Dave's second half was really bad.

Tristan's main issue seems to be a complete lack of aggression.

I am not sure on Tyon's lack of minutes tonight but it was nice to see more good things from Bryce.

Looked like bad Tyon to me. Half a step slow on D, missed some easy looks, missed some passes. He’ll have some like that. But wow, once the light comes on it’ll be hard to keep him off the floor.

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Doghoused after that missed layup that he could have passed to Tristan

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KU averaged 0.64 ppp with Harris on the floor last night, 1.1 when he was off. He just won't be playable in every game until he can shoot. Or you have to play him when Garrett isn't on the floor.

@wissox brother - I am sorry, I let you down. It was weird - I got into the game and forgot all about chatting.

@stoptheflop said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

I miss the energy Dok brought to the team; the way Dok sprinted down the court and even got out on the breaks. Dave has very little energy and is slow getting back down court on defense. But, Dave did a few things on offense that worked. Maybe he'll get better.

I would disagree with some of this. I don't think Dave has little energy, I think it's more he doesn't utilize his energy efficiently. I'm not sure I've seen much of him NOT TRYING. He isn't very fast and even less "quick" but that doesn't mean he isn't giving full effort. I think he is earnestly trying to do what everyone wants him to do. Self wants him to be a presence in the paint. He's trying to do that. He LOOKS aggressive when he is playing but still seems to get bullied away from the basket by smaller guys.

I'm really hoping all the praise for the late game kick out will be a light bulb for him. If he can focus on making plays like that he can definitely benefit this team.

@nuleafjhawk Man, you should have seen it. Without anyone in charge it was like Lord of the Flies.

@BShark

Stronger competition has brought him back down to life. Just needs time in the lab to get comfortable.

Agree his shot is a concern that needs to be addressed. He's Marcus 2.0 as a shooter.

Having Dajuan, Marcus & Dave on the floor at the same time is poor recognition of strengths and weaknesses. No defense is going to respect that lineup.

@BeddieKU23 said in Toronto Blue Jays discussion.:

@BShark

Stronger competition has brought him back down to life. Just needs time in the lab to get comfortable.

Agree his shot is a concern that needs to be addressed. He's Marcus 2.0 as a shooter.

Having Dajuan, Marcus & Dave on the floor at the same time is poor recognition of strengths and weaknesses. No defense is going to respect that lineup.

Yeah, he needs a real offseason for them to retool his shot. Once Marcus is gone it's fine to start him at the PG barring a great late addition.