🏀 KuBuckets Archive

Let's get the W

Octagon of LOLS

KU +13, let's win by 26

We good

@BShark said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

Octagon of LOLS

1500 soul-less wacks

Jock jams

this is a game we just CAN NOT let slip through our hands. - We have got to come out focused , don't give them any idea's thinking they can win. these are the games we should win. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KU was tied with a SWAC team at half time in the last game so hopefully Bill has their attention.

3 days rest and a short ride. We should be good

Lol espn almost missed the first basket

Need to get this one before a tough 3-game stretch.

Jalen!!

@BeddieKU23 I missed it

Brick city

🥶

What a pic

Mask winning

Getting GREAT looks. Good passes by Dave.

Damn make that

Rims tight

So Baylor bb hospitalized? On vents?

@BShark

That part of his game has been coached into him

@BeddieKU23 It's been a remarkable improvement.

Windy gym

Haven't head their nasty chant.

Allen field house

@BShark He's really come on here late in the season. Not a lot of guys you see struggle like he did for over half a season turn it on like he has.

I've gone to some of KU's games at Colorado when Colorado was still in the B12 and their fans did those kind of chants as well. Horrible fans

That Svi game brings back happy memories. Always enjoy refs screwing over Weber and KSU.

I can't tell if we just look better or if we have just been playing terrible teams?

Good measured take

@Kcmatt7

We are definitely playing with more swag and energy

Defense has showed up tonight, that's a good sign at least.

@Kcmatt7 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

I can't tell if we just look better or if we have just been playing terrible teams?

KSU is buttttttttttt. General level of play is better but shooting is just streaky.

@Kcmatt7 aggressive!

Gotta pass that for the open 3 Jalen

Yea the mentality definitely seems better. But ISu and KSU are just soooo bad.

@Kcmatt7 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

I can't tell if we just look better or if we have just been playing terrible teams?

KSU and ISU are both sub 200 in NET rankings, we are beating up very bad teams, but hopefully the confidence carries over to Tech on Saturday.

@Kcmatt7 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

Yea the mentality definitely seems better. But ISu and KSU are just soooo bad.

Compare the two okie lite games

Lol shot from gordon

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

Lol shot from gordon

Imagine being defended by a guard as a big and throwing that up

Not the best pass

@BShark The defense has really been noticeably better.... The offense is still lacking a bit.

Force feeding Mitch down low :beer_mug:

missing so many open threes

Ochai. Dude make your open ones

@BShark

Would be a blowout otherwise

Good old Mitch!

Prison Mitch reference, lol!

Damn

College refs love the charge.

That play we just ran with Wilson getting a 3 was a doke dunk last season

@Texas-Hawk-10 you must have power! What an awful mess down there!

@BShark said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

College refs love the charge.

They love it more then any play

Wilson's slow to react

Shooting 28 for our last 78

@Kcmatt7

Woof

Garrett wyd

Great job Jalen

AND 1

@Crimsonorblue22 I found out I'm on the same service grid with a hospital so I never lost power fortunately. I did lose water pressure last night and got pressure back this afternoon. My mom lost power Sunday night and stayed with me the past two nights until she got power back this morning.

It's bad down here. GOP trying to blame wind turbines when the bigger issue is the coal and natural gas wells that froze.

KState is pretty terrible

🐦 View Tweet

@KirkIsMyHinrich

I love it

Garrett is kind of a mess rn

Omg Marcus

How is it that we're playing a team ranked in the 200s and they are shooting 4-19 and we are only up 6???

What a performance against the 235th ranked defense

@DCHawker

Missing a lot of open shots

@DCHawker said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

How is it that we're playing a team ranked in the 200s and they are shooting 3-15 and we are only up 6???

Getting good looks (which is what you really want) but missing.

Oh and turnovers. Yeah

@BShark said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@DCHawker said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

How is it that we're playing a team ranked in the 200s and they are shooting 3-15 and we are only up 6???

Getting good looks (which is what you really want) but missing.

Yeah, but 14 points in 12 minutes. Baylor put up 107 on them....

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

Oh and turnovers. Yeah

Kinda weird, one more turnover than KSU. KSU has 6 more shots, though KU has FTs which accounts for some of it.

Just need to win and get out of the time capsule that is Manhattan, KS.

Not sure, but I think we've only scored 30+ in the first half once in the last 10 games - first game against ISU.

No made 3s on at least 4 open good looks. Not making k st defend outside the lainy

Tristan hasn't come in the game yet. Hegone.

@BShark Seems inevitable at this point if it comes with immediate eligibility elsewhere.

🐦 View Tweet

More passing plz Dave

Not a foul

@BShark said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

Tristan hasn't come in the game yet. Hegone.

I'm going to be sad when he's killing it somewhere else.

Not even close to a foul

Are we playing with some sort of rigged ball? Ochai can't even make a practice three

Just letting them dictate what we do

Sigh

So predictable to miss a 1 and 1

Harris is unplayable man

@BeddieKU23 Yep, if he isn't going to even try to shoot

@BShark

99% of his minutes

Spoke too soon

Lol this team is just a special kind of weird. Start out the season unable to guard a rock but just absolutely lighting it up. Now we are locking teams up, but can't make a damn shot

@BeddieKU23 Kills our spacing

Wilson the one savior

Got a shootout tonight. Just a torrent of buckets right now

On track for a 40 points showing against the Kittens...

I'm confident we put up like 45 in the 2nd half, but yea this is just tough to watch.

Ha looked out on jaun but ill take it

Mitch is unplayable

Jalen looked pissed.

@tundrahok said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

Jalen looked pissed.

He should be

@BShark It is unbelievable he is the 2nd big at a P5 school.

lol that was such a block by Mitch

Marcus hasn't made a 3 in months

🐦 View Tweet

How does Bruce keep getting away with this?

@BShark

So sick of it..

@BeddieKU23 It blows my mind how some guys who are so athletic and so coordinated can't shoot threes better than randos at the Y

@Kcmatt7

His form is so awful. Its pretty much luck if it goes in

Dam I thought we had got past this. - We should have them Buried by now, we just letting them hang around going to come back and bite us in the ass - -DAM

Bruce spends more time on the court than any of his players

@BeddieKU23 This is true. And a total failure by Bill. Most guys you just leave them alone. But if you had to guard Marcus all the way to the three point line he'd put up 15 a game.

I hoped all last yr doke would run over him!

@Kcmatt7

The 3 line going back more hurt Marcus. You can't get away with his form there. Staff is generally great at reforming shots. Some kids don't have it

Wow literally pissed he knocked Wilson down

Abgaji 2 , Braun ZIP - - McCormack 2 -pathetic

Wilson 1-2 at the line like clockwork

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

Marcus hasn't made a 3 in months

Hey, he was 2-2 from 3 on January 30 vs Tenn....and 0-10 since.

Oh that's a makeup for the one earlier.

Still on track for a 40 point game...

Pain

Hahaha

@tundrahok said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

Marcus hasn't made a 3 in months

Hey, he was 2-2 from 3 on January 30 vs Tenn....and 0-10 since.

Forgot his garbage 3s in that one

could there be a uglier half ?

Kasubke I'm gonna dislike you

@jayballer67 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

could there be a uglier half ?

How many times have we've said that in the past two months???

Where is this team without Jalen making such a big leap?

This truly is painful

@DCHawker said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@jayballer67 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

could there be a uglier half ?

How many times have we've said that in the past two months???

ALOT

Ochai had a trailer. Hope he makes his free ones

I think all he said was that was bullshit.

Which it kind of was...

Ref sick of the squeaks too

Refs are so mentally weak at times

KSU is 6-25, but only down 4....

I just don't get it. How hard is it to train refs to just not say anything or react to coaches/players?

Magic Marcus

Cannot guard gordon

@BeddieKU23 He is athletic as hell but there are...issues...

Nice touch Marcus

I'll take it. 9 is better then it was looking

you watch how these fouls balance out in the 2nd half

Mitch did nothing in 8 minutes good grief Bill

We just need to come out and score a bit. Because as bad as they are, it is unlikely they go 0-12 from three again. Still should be able to coast to a 30 point win this half.

Does Braun have a brother playing at Mizzou?

@jayballer67 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

you watch how these fouls balance out in the 2nd half

Aside from D Gordon and Miguel KSU is just not athletic at all that's why KU is drawing fouls. It SHOULD continue.

@jessejayhawk yes, he is not good though

@jessejayhawk yep

Dictating this because I gouged my eyes out

What the hell was that half of whatever?

@BShark Thanks

@BShark said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

Mitch did nothing in 8 minutes good grief Bill

Absolutely ZELCH then again Braun 1 point McCormack 2 points Oachi 4 points with 2 points from free throws and a dunk -- not saying much either

@jessejayhawk Parker I think

Mitch took 2 charges?

@DanR 🥶🥶🥶

Thank God for Wilson

@jayballer67 At least Braun took shots, Mitch is just a non-factor on offense. Harris is rough as well... Not much from Bryce either.

This team just isn't going to do much this year in all honesty. Hopefully we see good improvement from players next year.

All these Nijel Pack clips are against non B12 teams. I'm confused.

This team is just asking to get upset in the first round with a shooting performance like this.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

Thank God for Wilson

Jalen and the miracles next szn.

@Kcmatt7 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

This team is just asking to get upset in the first round with a shooting performance like this.

Not sure a first round loss would be much of an upset...

@Kcmatt7 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

This team is just asking to get upset in the first round with a shooting performance like this.

Watch us draw like...whoever the 2nd team ends up being from the MVC. :upside-down_face:

@Kcmatt7 I saw your comment about whether it is a tricked ball. You are onto something! It would be entirely in keeping with KSU tradition to do something like that just to bother KU, which would, of course, hurt their own less talented team even more....

CB does need to hunt for his shot more. He's just so pass happy at times. Either he comes out with the mindset he needs to get up 10 shots or he is basically not on the floor and there is no inbetween.

Bill Self must be giddy. Best defensive half of the year! Offense is fools gold...

@BShark said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@jayballer67 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

you watch how these fouls balance out in the 2nd half

Aside from D Gordon and Miguel KSU is just not athletic at all that's why KU is drawing fouls. It SHOULD continue.

Magnify - --SHOULD

@Kcmatt7 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

CB does need to hunt for his shot more. He's just so pass happy at times. Either he comes out with the mindset he needs to get up 10 shots or he is basically not on the floor and there is no inbetween.

Yep. Bill wants him to shoot.

@BShark Would be very Bill Self

@BShark We could absolutely lose to Drake

@Kcmatt7 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@BShark We could absolutely lose to Drake

Drake could blow this KU team tf out.

KU wouldn't have a single loss with Butler on this team

Hard to believe they only got up 19 shots in that first half

@BeddieKU23 we took 13 free throws

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

KU wouldn't have a single loss with Butler on this team

Wolverine picture meme

@BShark said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@jayballer67 At least Braun took shots, Mitch is just a non-factor on offense. Harris is rough as well... Not much from Bryce either.

This team just isn't going to do much this year in all honesty. Hopefully we see good improvement from players next year.

Braun took ONE SHOT. ONE the entire 1st half -- & 1 rebound only point came off a Tech Ft - -might as well sit down you not gonna do anymore then that

@BShark

Maybe not undefeated but its a 1-2 loss team. Butler never misses

@BeddieKU23 Especially against us

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 Especially against us

He seems to take playing KU seriously

This team is good in AFH, crap away from AFH. Beating Tech in Lubbock is the only good win KU has away from AFH this season.

Playing good at home, crappy away from home has the been the norm this year.

@BeddieKU23 .446 on 6 attempts a game is pretty damn impressive

Good try Marcus

Braun shot spend 12 hrs a day watching films on how Butler creates his own shot

Bail out

Bradford is a foul machine

@jessejayhawk said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

Braun shot spend 12 hrs a day watching films on how Butler creates his own shot

Huge difference in athleticism

Dave has been awful. Gets great position and fades away

@BShark Braun has NPOY as a senior type of vibes tho

Wow that was bad

Gotta hit fts Braun

Free throws. Good grief

!alt text ↗

Jalen could have a career as an NFL TE if basketball doesn't workout. Dude high points the ball

Trash call

Hahaha

Bill is redder than his pullover, fever?

I thought I'd be able to get back to work by now. Didn't think this would be a close game with how we've been playing lately.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

Bill is redder than his pullover, fever?

Jalen's defense

Ochai just can't buy one tonight

Lifeless offense

Go five guards for a stretch and see what happens

Good grief

Scored a scorching 2 points in 4 plus..

the way this game is going why not at least try and give Tristan some PT maybe he can do something possibly

2nd half starting worse than the 1st - 2 points in 4 minutes...

I've said the phrase "it was ugly, but a win is a win" like 10 times this year. But this game would take the cake.

this is exactly the reason we are doing nothing in the tourney. - you have scoring droughts like this in the tourney - -you gonna get buried

Vegas closed at 12.5 so obviously this has to stay close

Really wish Pullen had played for another team... He was fun to watch

1-10 from three lol

43 possessions and only 28 points

The two teams have combined to shoot 1-24 from 3. That's hard to do....

@DCHawker A blind man might have hit two

Jalen Wilson is the only player to make a 3-pointer lmao

How does that shot not go down

You can't even do the "clear the bench" pissed off move because the effort is poor. We are playing hard we just are offensively challenged

That's Bryce's game

Woo

@jayballer67 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

43 possessions and only 28 points

This has to be all time bad in terms of PPP under Self. In fact...all the worst games are gonna end up being from this year lol.

Mitch is UNPLAYABLE

Good lord Mitch.

Wow mitch.

Got the next one.

They haven't made a 3 and are shooting 30%, and we could still lose this game...

BRYCE

First one to 50 wins?

Ya so no reason not to just play the hell out of Thompson the rest of the season

Bryce clearly has next level tools. I don't expect him to be back after next season.

Bryce helping!

And 1

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

Ya so no reason not to just play the hell out of Thompson the rest of the season

Nothing to lose, develop his guard skills.

@Kcmatt7

I think we get 3

My son thought that the piped in crowd noise was a laugh track. Lol.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Do you think we will get to 50?

@approxinfinity said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

My son thought that the piped in crowd noise was a laugh track. Lol.

Would be appropriate for this one tbh

not even watching the game , just listening on the radio - - just can't bare to watch ugly games like this, BUT were still winning -- for now- 34 points with 12 minutes to go - - -BUT K-State with 26 -MERCY

🐦 View Tweet

@jayballer67

Bryce with 2 good buckets. Love watching this kid get minutes

Harris and Bryce with a spark

Dajuan big thefts

2nd steal by Harris, nice.

Don't blink another timeout coming

@jessejayhawk said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Do you think we will get to 50?

That's why first one there wins.

@BeddieKU23 Would be nice...

I won't credit KSU for shit announcers

3 freshman on the floor

If you stop guarding 3-pointers, eventually they will get one.

Come on Mitch at least try to rebound.

Harris is Playable

@Kcmatt7 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

Harris is Playable

Lol at KSU

Bryce

In all seriousness, Bryce and Harris need more PT and Braun needs less

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

3 freshman on the floor

Your right on your point Bryce has been some spark tonight , Harris playing a little better tonight too

I guess we don't need to guard Greenlight gordon

I personally could live with Garrett only getting 25 mpg too, but that's just me...

@jayballer67 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

3 freshman on the floor

Your right on your point Bryce has been some spark tonight , Harris playing a little better tonight too

Another bucket

Like seriously, Bruce can't figure out that you just don't even bother to guard Harris more than 3 feet out?

@Kcmatt7 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

I personally could live with Garrett only getting 25 mpg too, but that's just me...

It's everyone but Bill.

Getting some bench production tonight - 6-10, 5 RBs, 3 steals...

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@jayballer67 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

3 freshman on the floor

Your right on your point Bryce has been some spark tonight , Harris playing a little better tonight too

Another bucket

been big - -key baskets at key times

@jayballer67

Huge having him back

🐦 View Tweet

What a stat...

K-State scoring 17 points in the half is the least amount for KU defense they said since 2013

This team has been a bunch of theives lately. 9 steals against OSU, 9 ISU, 10 ISU, and then today I suspect we will get 9 or 10

🐦 View Tweet?s=21

Dave getting self toughen box tonight

@jayballer67 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

K-State scoring 17 points in the half is the least amount for KU defense they said since 2013

Not by much - we had an 19-18 half a couple of weeks ago...

sweet Bryce

BRYCE

Boom

Nice

Haha jaun just tackled that guy for taking his ball

Harris

Feel like as Bryce gets more comfortable scoring he'll develop into more of a play-maker as well.

now we wanna get sloppy

Good timeout

Jeez

Dave bad spot

Just when I thought Dave got his head right he puts out this stinker

@Kcmatt7 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

Just when I thought Dave got his head right he puts out this stinker

There was just no good outcome there, nothing was open.

@Crimsonorblue22 Hope he doesn't swallow it!

@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

🐦 View Tweet?s=21

@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

🐦 View Tweet?s=21

Upvote times 1000!

🐦 View Tweet

Ultimate Bill Self stat - opponents are 17 for 80 from three the last four games for a whopping 21%

Only K-State would make masks out of plastic. Keep those germs in!

KU 42.1 % - -- - K-State 32.6 %

Damn it Braun make that

Come on cb

Literally can't get a better look

KU might cover and still not even score 60

Garrett made a 3!

MARKY MARK

Wow

Dave back to playing well

Season high for steals now.

Marcus microwave

don't need that Marcus

What I think pack has 2 points - - -Mc Gurl has two points ?

Pack took 18 steps

KSU sucks but the defense tonight is strong for KU

I'm not sure anyone thinks less of Bruce Weber than I do, and even I'm surprised at how badly KState sucks.

Marcus should not touch the ball with shot clock under 5

Ochai was bricking open looks and makes that lol

@approxinfinity said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

Marcus should not touch the ball with shot clock under 5

Ever

Oopsie Bruce

If they had just made one or two of these in the first half we'd be watching Teahan rn

LMAO DAVE

@KirkIsMyHinrich I'm trying to figure out his breathing under that mask

Dave tried a joel

@Kcmatt7 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

If they had just made one or two of these in the first half we'd be watching Teahan rn

might still here in a couple of minutes lol

Bryce with the strong effort up 19. He just always plays hard.

play this poorly for a lot of the game and still up what ? -- 16 ?

Somehow up to 46% shooting

@BShark bad fingers not slowing him down

@jayballer67 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

play this poorly for a lot of the game and still up what ? -- 16 ?

19 now

This would currently be the biggest margin of victory at Bramlage under Bill. sips tea

KSUSUKS

Bryce is not gun shy at all

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@jayballer67 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

play this poorly for a lot of the game and still up what ? -- 16 ?

19 now

mercy - -whats that say about BRucie

K st starters 8-34

@approxinfinity said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

KSUSUKS

S - -- U - - -C - - K - - -S

@jayballer67 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@jayballer67 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

play this poorly for a lot of the game and still up what ? -- 16 ?

19 now

mercy - -whats that say about BRucie

3 year extension for trying hard

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@jayballer67 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@jayballer67 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

play this poorly for a lot of the game and still up what ? -- 16 ?

19 now

mercy - -whats that say about BRucie

3 year extension for trying hard

• • LOL

Imagine how frustrating it was for us to watch this game, and then imagine your team being the one who only has 35 points...

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@jayballer67 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@jayballer67 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

play this poorly for a lot of the game and still up what ? -- 16 ?

19 now

mercy - -whats that say about BRucie

3 year extension for trying hard

GIVE HIM SOME aTTA bOYS FOR TRY

Och! Bad pass

Off the k st player out of bounds

@BShark said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

This would currently be the biggest margin of victory at Bramlage under Bill. sips tea

:eyes:

The North American Hedgehog Connection

Alright. 3-game stretch from hell to tell us where this team is at. 2/3 would be nice.

Webber setting records

Marcus Garrett sniper god

Garrett when he gets that ball up chest high before release is his best hope

@BShark He has a game-high 14 points.

Our D2 PG is in <3

Is Enaruna... Packing his bags? Or what?

@approxinfinity ya

Yep, that was a full on frustration possession from Enaruna. He's probably checked out

@approxinfinity He's gone. Just count it now. Has all the signs written all over him.

Tyon looks like a tire is flat

You'll hear Enaruna is gone like the next week after we get bounced in the tourney.

@Kcmatt7 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@approxinfinity He's gone. Just count it now. Has all the signs written all over him.

Been passed over time after time.

@Kcmatt7 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

You'll hear Enaruna is gone like the next week after we get bounced in the tourney.

This is correct

@BeddieKU23 Reminds me a lot of the Andrew White III situation. Not the same player, but a guy who could get minutes basically anywhere else but can't carve them out under Bill.

Good win. Tortillas on Saturday.

Responsibly picking up and leaving with their empty beercans: the EMAW faithful.

@approxinfinity I noticed

@Kcmatt7 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 Reminds me a lot of the Andrew White III situation. Not the same player, but a guy who could get minutes basically anywhere else but can't carve them out under Bill.

So I would rather he play over Mitch but if there is a position we can absorb a loss it's wings. We have to trade someone for a guard, Tristan makes a lot of sense at this point.

Time for a real opponent on Saturday and find out how much of this better play is real and how much was the lack of quality of the opposition.

KU - - - 45.8 % Fg - - -25 % - -3 pt fg - -- -K-State - - - -31 % - - -Fg - - - - -12.5 % - -- - -3 pt fg - -Pack 6 points - -- -3-12- - & Mc Gurl - - 2 points -- 1-11

@Kcmatt7 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 Reminds me a lot of the Andrew White III situation. Not the same player, but a guy who could get minutes basically anywhere else but can't carve them out under Bill.

Tristan can't shoot though.

@BShark 100%. We know at least one guy is getting the boot. I suspect more, but at least Tristan. Hard to know what Bill will do with Jossel and Gethro and Tyon.

@Texas-Hawk-10 gonna have to shoot the 3 better against Tech for sure to win that game

@BeddieKU23 Right like I said different players. But AW3 thought he was going to get PT his Jr season and then BG came in and was just a .500 shooter from 3 and there was nothing he could do about it.

Tristan looked like he'd get run this year, but Wilson and Bryce are just better at the same things Enaruna is capable of.

Before Tristan came to KU he switched to right hand shooting. You always see him drive left because he's a natural lefty. I guess shooting touch is just not there. Self has been saying for 2 yrs now that he still hasn't hit the next gear in playing hard consistently. You see that in his spot minutes. Hope he sticks but he's got options

Great D effort.

But I don't want to hear about Virginia's Tony Bennett ever being a KU coach. Scores like this should be once every 10 years.

@DanR

Surprisingly Virginia is scoring more this season.. besides the last game where they got trounced

KU with their 27th straight Season of 10 Big 12 wins - -another streak

!alt text ↗

@BShark said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

!alt text ↗

WOOF lol

!alt text ↗

@Kcmatt7

I think you give tyon a pass for injuries and juco to big 12 adjustment. I would definitely shop Latrell and Gethro. Made KU a 10 man roster with their inability to impact. Today's game unless your guys redshirting are studs I think its a waste to have 2 guys on scholarship that can't play

@BeddieKU23 Problem is we aren't gonna be able to add 3+ guys so you end up keeping guys around if you can for practice.

You wanna hear a strange stat ? - - KU 5 games behind Balor in the loss side - - BUT 1 game ahead of them on the Win side lol

Kenpom has the defense getting close to being Top 10 good again. #12 after last night's win. The offense however is trending (#58) to be the worst since Kenpom started keeping track in 2002.

"My gut tells me this team is going to be an elite defensive team that has games where they struggle to score. We will have a nail biter or two against teams that are WAY below our level. And we will win games by 25 where the hoop is like throwing a rock into the ocean against a top 10 team.

The two big questions in my mind are how we will be able to function with Mitch as our backup 5 and will we be able to shoot the ball consistently enough that the four guard rotation works well.

My biggest concern is the post depth. Big Dave picks up two quick fouls and then we are playing Mitch and Gethro 25 minutes in a game. Tshiebwe would be dunking the ball every single possession.

As far as projecting this team, it really is tough. There isn’t anyone on the roster that I have super high expectations for. At the same time, there really isn’t anyone that I think shouldn’t be getting minutes that will be. Will the depth give us enough of an advantage? Will TGF play his way into starting? Will Ochai have the All-American breakout? Can Garrett make a leap offensively? How good is Bryce going to be day 1?

Last year, we knew we’d be good. Doke and Dot coming back virtually assured they would be a Top 5 team. But even with Dave, Ochai and Garrett coming back I definitely don’t have that same feeling.

If this team wants to be FF good, they will need Ochai or Thompson to be a walking 15 ppg imo. Otherwise I just don’t know that we will be able to score consistently enough to make that type of a run."

Bringing back my preseason prediciton... Looks like it is a little closer now than it was in December.

@BShark said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 Problem is we aren't gonna be able to add 3+ guys so you end up keeping guys around if you can for practice.

Say this was the starting 5 next year.. This assumes Tristan moves on.

G- Thompson

G- Agbaji

G- Braun

W- Wilson

C- McCormack

Bench-

G- Harris

W- Grant- Foster

After that Self is playing Clemence (Lightfoot's role), Adams (Enaruna's role) & Curry (3rd big).

Jossell is 3rd string PG again & Muscadin is 4th string big. Find these kids a good transfer destination.. We need a PG & maybe Self finds another under the radar wing..

@BeddieKU23 Yeah the key is adding a guard if you add a decent PG to that roster it is pretty damn good with another year of guys improving as well.

@BShark

A PG that can shoot and facilitate would change this team. It would have changed this current team

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@BShark said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 Problem is we aren't gonna be able to add 3+ guys so you end up keeping guys around if you can for practice.

Say this was the starting 5 next year.. This assumes Tristan moves on.

G- Thompson

G- Agbaji

G- Braun

W- Wilson

C- McCormack

Bench-

G- Harris

W- Grant- Foster

After that Self is playing Clemence (Lightfoot's role), Adams (Enaruna's role) & Curry (3rd big).

Jossell is 3rd string PG again & Muscadin is 4th string big. Find these kids a good transfer destination.. We need a PG & maybe Self finds another under the radar wing..

That line up is worst case scenario next season. That's a line up that will struggle to score worse than this group does, and will stuggle to defend anyone well.

I also disagree about running off Jossell and Muscadin at this point and not bringing Mitch back next season. With NCAA sanctions looming, I would not run off guys that can develop into rotation level players down the road yet unless there's scholarship reductions as part of the sanctions against KU. Is Jossell ever going to be a starting PG for KU? Probably not, but he is someone who could come off the bench and knock down a 3 and be a spark on offense and with the uncertainty about KU's future, I wouldn't run that skill set off at this point. Muscadin may never develop into anything special on offense, but he has the tools to become an elite rim protector and rebounder because KU's best teams have always had an elite rim protector on defense. Because of KU's uncertain future, I would not run off either Jossell or Muscadin at this point for a transfer player.

I also wouldn't let Mitch leave yet. If I'm Self and staff, I'd bring Mitch back next season in his current role because Zach Clemence is not a 5 and will struggle in that role. Clemence is a stretch 4 and would be better suited backing up Jalen Wilson next season.

As for who needs to be sent packing to make room for a PG, the two options to me would Enaruna or TGF. Most of Enaruna's issues stem from his lack of effort and hustle. Combine that with his poor shooting and not being a willing passer, Enaruna absolutely should be first choice to transfer out.

The reason I would send TGF away over Jossell or Muscadin is because he's a JuCo guy meaning he won't be around as long to develop as those two. TGF might be the most athletic player on the team, even moreso than Agbaji, but there's zero skill behind that athleticism and he'll exhaust his eligibility before he can develop any skill. He's the worst shooter I've ever seen at this level, even worse than Garrett and it's taken 4 years to fix that shot, TGF doesn't have 4 years. Combine that with him being a black hole on offense because once that ball touches his hands, it's not going anywhere else. A ball hog who can't shoot isn't much incentive to keep him around.

Ideally the rotation next year would look like this. An incoming transfer at the PG spot with Harris backing him up. Jossell in his same role as this season or a redshirt. Braun and Thompson battling for the off ball guard spot and the other being the first guard off the bench. Agbaji starting at wing with the loser of the Braun/Thompson battle being the main back up for a 5 man guard rotation.

In the front court, Jalen Wilson at the stretch 4 spot with Zach Clemence being his primary back up and TGF being the emergency guy if he's still around or KJ Adams if TGF is gone or an Adams redshirt if TGF is still around. At the 5 spot, Dave starts and ups his minutes to about 25-27 mpg, Mitch is his primary back up, Sydney Curry gets spot minutes, and Muscadin redshirts. If Mitch does move on, then Clemence by default would have to be a universal sub for McCormack and Wilson.

Agree, Enaruna would be my first choice as well. It's just not working out.

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@BShark

A PG that can shoot and facilitate would change this team. It would have changed this current team

It would change any team!

@Texas-Hawk-10

We agree on Tristan.

I think TGF deserves a pass, no off-season, juco adjustment, injuries. He still has two more years left here to figure it out if it plays out that way. He got some experience in a free year. His shooting is terrible and needs retooling with the staff that he didn't even get a chance to start this season. Some of that is on TGF taking bad shots though. He's shown he's athletic enough to get to the rim and make some impactful plays on defense. More then anything he's looked uncoordinated out there physically. Either he's been playing hobbled all season or he's just one goofy looking kid how he moves out there.

I'm not advocating that Bryce start as the primary "PG" but if I'm forced to pick who's better between him and Harris I'll pick Bryce all day.

Agree adding a starting PG gives Self a 5 guard rotation.

I don't want Mitch back. Clemence is way more skilled and if Dave ups his minutes to 25-27 you can split the leftovers with who's developed (Zach/Sydney).

@BeddieKU23 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10

We agree on Tristan.

I think TGF deserves a pass, no off-season, juco adjustment, injuries. He still has two more years left here to figure it out if it plays out that way. He got some experience in a free year. His shooting is terrible and needs retooling with the staff that he didn't even get a chance to start this season. Some of that is on TGF taking bad shots though. He's shown he's athletic enough to get to the rim and make some impactful plays on defense. More then anything he's looked uncoordinated out there physically. Either he's been playing hobbled all season or he's just one goofy looking kid how he moves out there.

I'm not advocating that Bryce start as the primary "PG" but if I'm forced to pick who's better between him and Harris I'll pick Bryce all day.

Agree adding a starting PG gives Self a 5 guard rotation.

I don't want Mitch back. Clemence is way more skilled and if Dave ups his minutes to 25-27 you can split the leftovers with who's developed (Zach/Sydney).

I think I would agree with Texas-Hawk about Jossell. I know it's just been Micro minutes but what lil bit we have seen him no matter how small and mop up , i think he could be spot backup dude has a sweet stroke from what I've seen and handles ok

@BeddieKU23 I'm going to go point by point here. TGF is a major rebuilding project. If Self finds two more players, TGF should be the second player to go after Enaruna. There's a bunch of work to be done with TGF to make him a serviceable role player with the biggest issue being that TGF doesn't pass the basketball once it gets to him. The problem with being able to develop TGF is I don't see this offseason looking much different than last offseason in regards to what coaches and players can do and how much they can be together. I really don't see TGF being much different as a player than he is this season to me which makes him expendable to me.

If Bryce Thompson starts at PG for KU next season, KU is in deep trouble because that's a really bad offensive team and a bad defensive team.

Zach Clemence is not a 5 and if KU depends on him for any meaningful minutes, that's going to be a disaster because he isn't strong enough to play the 5. Zach Clemence is a stretch 4 and has a very similar game to Perry Ellis. In his highlight video, not one single dunk and his low post game still mostly involved him getting pushed away from the basket. He is a finesse player and I don't see him being much of a rebounder or defender.

As far as bringing Mitch back, he doesn't count against the scholarship limit and he doesn't have a professional future and he wants to be a Jayhawk. It makes all the sense in the world to bring Mitch back if he wants to be back. While Mitch isn't much on offense, he's an above average defender.

Sydney Curry is a going to be a good player for Kamsas, but he needs to work on his body before he'll be able to contribute meaningfully. If he can get down to 240 lbs., that's probably around his sweet spot weight wise to keep his power, but have the agility and quickness to play beast ball in the Big 12. Without an offseason though, he probably won't be able to work on his body properly with the new S&C coach.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU vs that other team Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 I'm going to go point by point here. TGF is a major rebuilding project. If Self finds two more players, TGF should be the second player to go after Enaruna. There's a bunch of work to be done with TGF to make him a serviceable role player with the biggest issue being that TGF doesn't pass the basketball once it gets to him. The problem with being able to develop TGF is I don't see this offseason looking much different than last offseason in regards to what coaches and players can do and how much they can be together. I really don't see TGF being much different as a player than he is this season to me which makes him expendable to me.

If Bryce Thompson starts at PG for KU next season, KU is in deep trouble because that's a really bad offensive team and a bad defensive team.

Zach Clemence is not a 5 and if KU depends on him for any meaningful minutes, that's going to be a disaster because he isn't strong enough to play the 5. Zach Clemence is a stretch 4 and has a very similar game to Perry Ellis. In his highlight video, not one single dunk and his low post game still mostly involved him getting pushed away from the basket. He is a finesse player and I don't see him being much of a rebounder or defender.

As far as bringing Mitch back, he doesn't count against the scholarship limit and he doesn't have a professional future and he wants to be a Jayhawk. It makes all the sense in the world to bring Mitch back if he wants to be back. While Mitch isn't much on offense, he's an above average defender.

Sydney Curry is a going to be a good player for Kamsas, but he needs to work on his body before he'll be able to contribute meaningfully. If he can get down to 240 lbs., that's probably around his sweet spot weight wise to keep his power, but have the agility and quickness to play beast ball in the Big 12. Without an offseason though, he probably won't be able to work on his body properly with the new S&C coach.

TGF is definitely a rebuild. I wonder if the staff is going to disclose just how much he's been injured.

Too early to tell for coaches this offseason. I know football programs have been able to have offseason conditioning and spring ball practices are coming up. Imagine that coaches will have some access and kids won't be trapped at home for months like last yr. I don't see it being the same as last yr unless something bad happens with the direction of Covid.

Clemence certainly isn't a 5. He needs the weight room but ill take his offensive potential any day over mitch. Defensively he will take some time. Have to let him learn in order to grow. Getting coached well right now, playing good competition. Hes held his own.

Curry and Adams bring that raw athletic power. Excited to see how they fit. Self will be able to coach lobs again with these guys.

@BeddieKU23 Clemence and Mitch can coexist because they won't play the same position on the floor. KU is going to need more a lot more help on the defensive end of the floor than they will on offense. That's not to say the offense will be good by any stretch because we don't know what the PG situation will look like next season. What we do know is that Marcus Garrett is leaving and that's going have a huge negative impact on the defense. We saw how much the post defense regressed without Doke, it's going to be very similar on the perimeter next season without Garrett on defense.

Without Mitch, this is what KU will have for interior defense next season, Dave who will probably be improved over this season, but not significantly, Zach Clemence who gets pushed around by HS kids, so imagine how much he'd get owned by 22-23 year old men, Sydney Curry who looks like a post player version of Sherron Collins and needs to drop at least 20 lbs. to have the quickness to guard B12 bigs, or Gethro Muscadin who makes Zach Clemence look like Arnold Schwarzenegger in his body building days.

With Mitch Lightfoot back, KU wod have a guy that doesn't get pushed around, is willing to take charges and do dirty work, is an above average shot blocker, and currently the best post defender on the team. That's also not even factoring in all the off court intangibles Mitch brings to the table which will be needed desperately next season as well when KU likely learns their fate from the Adidas investigation.

KU desperately needs a quality post defender next season and Mitch Lightfoot is currently the best fit for that need. His leadership is also something that will be desperately needed while KU guides the Adidas investigation and ruling waters as well. Self and staff need to do whatever they can to convince Mitch to stick around for his 6th year.

@BeddieKU23 @Texas-Hawk-10 based on your last few posts, there’s no mention of Dave. Are you guys expecting him to not return next year?

We need a scoring transfer point guard no doubt, a gritty kid in the vein of a McClung and what he has brought to TT.