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Now..... Top 5, baby. And a chance - a true chance - to win the Chip. Think I'm lying? Look, I might be wrong from time to time, but I never lie (at least not intentionally)

So I guess this cools the bill self has lost his touch, we can't recruit without snacks, or we can't get any good players because of the investigation talk....at least for a week????

This team is good. I'm not as excited about martin as everyone else is, but I'd rather have martin and yesefu over wheeler or tyty. The biggest recruiting get of this off-season is ochai and Jalen. I fully expect ochai to come back....Wilson not so much. I think he's dreaming about the dolla dolla bills y'all and he could get those in some bulllshit overseas league. I don't think wilson can compete professionally anywhere in the world right now, but is still a solid P5 basketball player.

@bmensch1 said in Remy to Kansas:

So I guess this cools the bill self has lost his touch, we can't recruit without snacks, or we can't get any good players because of the investigation talk....at least for a week????

This team is good. I'm not as excited about martin as everyone else is, but I'd rather have martin and yesefu over wheeler or tyty. The biggest recruiting get of this off-season is ochai and Jalen. I fully expect ochai to come back....Wilson not so much. I think he's dreaming about the dolla dolla bills y'all and he could get those in some bulllshit overseas league. I don't think wilson can compete professionally anywhere in the world right now, but is still a solid P5 basketball player.

I think it's just the opposite. - - Ochai more likely is gone and Wilson comes back. Ochai more athletic - I don't think he is NBA ready BUT like you said he is just good enough to be able to pick up money over sea's in one of their gazillion type leagues they have. - At first I thought there was no way he would leave but it has now slide to more like a 60 -65 /40/35 that he will. Would love to have both come back just don't think that's happening

@bmensch1 said in Remy to Kansas:

So I guess this cools the bill self has lost his touch, we can't recruit without snacks, or we can't get any good players because of the investigation talk....at least for a week????

This team is good. I'm not as excited about martin as everyone else is, but I'd rather have martin and yesefu over wheeler or tyty. The biggest recruiting get of this off-season is ochai and Jalen. I fully expect ochai to come back....Wilson not so much. I think he's dreaming about the dolla dolla bills y'all and he could get those in some bulllshit overseas league. I don't think wilson can compete professionally anywhere in the world right now, but is still a solid P5 basketball player.

@bmensch1 said in Remy to Kansas:

So I guess this cools the bill self has lost his touch, we can't recruit without snacks, or we can't get any good players because of the investigation talk....at least for a week????

This team is good. I'm not as excited about martin as everyone else is, but I'd rather have martin and yesefu over wheeler or tyty. The biggest recruiting get of this off-season is ochai and Jalen. I fully expect ochai to come back....Wilson not so much. I think he's dreaming about the dolla dolla bills y'all and he could get those in some bulllshit overseas league. I don't think wilson can compete professionally anywhere in the world right now, but is still a solid P5 basketball player.

Now we've got a group of nice talent who can go somewhere in D1.

Let's see if they can avoid controversy, develop chemistry, develop team identity, develop a leader or two, develop a winning style, and stay healthy!

We're a shoe-in for the Final Four! lol

In all seriousness... I'm excited for fall basketball again!

Certainly raised the ceiling of this team a good bit even if both Jalen or Ochai do not return. If all 3 return then Self just added the cherry on top.

At minimum its a Proven P5 player that was All Conference twice, has experience playing KU (beat us twice and hit big shots), he's a shotmaker/playmaker and can score at all 3 levels.

In a dream scenario Self has 3 guys (Martin/Ochai/McCormack) give you consistent scoring and are go-to players. Not many programs will have that. If Jalen returns that's 4 legit scorers. Everyone else is filling a role at that point. It's potentially a very good problem to have

@BeddieKU23 Agree so much. The starting five of Martin/Yesufu/Ochai/Wilson/Dave is a top 5 team. And honestly unreal how good of an offensive team you're looking at right there.

Then you have Braun off the bench where you aren't asking him to be too much other than a defender and a spot up shooter. You can give Remy and Yesufu breaks by bringing in Harris and shouldn't see crazy dropoff. And that will even let Remy slide off the ball which I think could be good for him.

Anything Pettiford gives you is gravy at this point.

We just need one of the new big guys to not be bad and this team is a contender. I do think Curry, of all of the bigs, brings a physical ability and presence that is playable at this level. If Bill takes the season-long view with him, he will play early and often with the hope that he develops by the end of the year. Clemence is a big question mark, but Bill Self history has taught me not to expect anything from freshman bigs.

Either way this team has the pieces to make noise.

I really thought we were going to end up having to watch Wheeler play 25 mpg there for a minute...

Is this starting to look like we have too much talent? Will we lose another player or two to the transfer portal? If so... who?

@drgnslayr I actually think we are in a great spot to keep this group in tact.

Harris and Braun could potentially. But I don’t expect it

@Kcmatt7

Agree on that Starting 5, its good enough to compete for everything. Hopefully all the pieces come back. The addition of Martin is just big in so many ways. A total face lift to where things seemed to be headed lately.

Certainly takes the pressure off Pettiford to be an impact player.

Agree. It will be very interesting to see if Adams or Clemence are more ready then we may think. Each has something to give that the other doesn't. Curry physically and athletically will hold up. Probably will be important to see what Self says about him as they get going. I have no idea what we are getting in Martin. I'm just going to hope one of them can play big and do the basic stuff we need from a backup

@drgnslayr said in Remy to Kansas:

Now we've got a group of nice talent who can go somewhere in D1.

Let's see if they can avoid controversy, develop chemistry, develop team identity, develop a leader or two, develop a winning style, and stay healthy!

We're a shoe-in for the Final Four! lol

In all seriousness... I'm excited for fall basketball again!

😂 Certainly not a shoe-in, but "we're a contendah!"

@Kcmatt7 said in Remy to Kansas:

I really thought we were going to end up having to watch Wheeler play 25 mpg there for a minute...

For real... Kentucky thankfully got him.

There are always unexpected departures.

Next year will be Jalen's last at KU, to be clear.

@Kcmatt7 said in Remy to Kansas:

I really thought we were going to end up having to watch Wheeler play 25 mpg there for a minute...

Crisis averted.

Flashback to last Tuesday: Remy Martin enters the portal, suddenly the Wheeler smoke shifts from KU to UK.

But sure Kentucky fans, Cal "stole him" from Bill.

@Kcmatt7 said in Remy to Kansas:

Either way this team has the pieces to make noise.

Speaking of making noise, some of these guys have yet to experience the full-throated roar of Allen Field House at capacity. I'm hoping we are in a position to allow 16,300 screaming fans into the building come fall. Will certainly impact play in a big way.

I'll still feel even better when we get past the NBA withdrawal date. - -Feel Much better when Martin & Ochai are actually here AFTER that date.

Gets confusing for me Go to do my troll on the Kentucky bored - - start thinking I'm STILL on the KU board why ? - -Cause they have a thread dedicated to Remy Martin and they have what seems like MORE comments about Remy on their board then we do on our own KU board lmao

Either I'm confused which Board I'M ON or these Kentucky fans are REALLY CONFUSED roflmao - -just sad - -they have like 71 posts about Remy and he isn't even one of their players lmao

@jayballer67 said in Remy to Kansas:

Gets confusing for me Go to do my troll on the Kentucky bored - - start thinking I'm STILL on the KU board why ? - -Cause they have a thread dedicated to Remy Martin and they have what seems like MORE comments about Remy on their board then we do on our own KU board lmao

Either I'm confused which Board I'M ON or these Kentucky fans are REALLY CONFUSED roflmao - -just sad - -they have like 71 posts about Remy and he isn't even one of their players lmao

They jelly we're coming for that all time wins crown

@FarmerJayhawk said in Remy to Kansas:

@jayballer67 said in Remy to Kansas:

Gets confusing for me Go to do my troll on the Kentucky bored - - start thinking I'm STILL on the KU board why ? - -Cause they have a thread dedicated to Remy Martin and they have what seems like MORE comments about Remy on their board then we do on our own KU board lmao

Either I'm confused which Board I'M ON or these Kentucky fans are REALLY CONFUSED roflmao - -just sad - -they have like 71 posts about Remy and he isn't even one of their players lmao

They jelly we're coming for that all time wins crown

Oh believe that. - -you should of seen it , this past season most talk would be about the season - - well this past Season it wasn't about how P - - - their Season was , no - - they were crapping little green kittens about how many wins they were ahead of us for all time wins - -just dropping little green apples all over the place lol

Cyclone fans are struggling too @FarmerJayhawk

"I was told as soon as he went into the portal TJ wouldn't be interested even if we had room from someone that would know so I'll trust TJ and others on this"

"There's a lot of red flags about him that aren't public. I'll leave it at that"

@BShark said in Remy to Kansas:

Cyclone fans are struggling too @FarmerJayhawk

"I was told as soon as he went into the portal TJ wouldn't be interested even if we had room from someone that would know so I'll trust TJ and others on this"

"There's a lot of red flags about him that aren't public. I'll leave it at that"

Ah the "we didn't want him anyway" syndrome. Epidemic that started in Lexington, KY I believe

This definitely raised the overall talent level on the roster. I need to go back and watch Martin to see if the fit is there given the confusing roster construction we have right now.

He's a bona fide go to scorer, something we have lacked a bit the last couple of years - a guy you can just give the ball to and he figures out how to get a bucket.

This raises the ceiling on the team for next year. Depending on fit, it may also raise the floor.

@justanotherfan I like the fact that he gives us a guy to take some shots away from Dave. Get Dave down to a more normal usage rate. Having a couple fast guards, one that can really shoot it and the other the defense has to at least respect will open things up for everyone. I think the defense will be worse but the offense vastly improved.

@BShark you think more highly of jalen than I do. Thought he started really hot, hit shots and boards. After Christmas, not so much.

@Crimsonorblue22 We don't have another starting caliber player behind Jalen at the 4. If he somehow left and there wasn't a strong ass replacement that would drastically hurt the team. Can't play Martin or Zach next to Dave and KJ isn't ready.

@jayballer67 :hundred_points:

Have been listening to talk off Local sports talk program. Saying that Coach Self has gotten EXACTLY what he was looking for this off Season saying that : KU had added more Athletism - -- - - More Scoring - -- More height - - We now that TRUE PG , Bringing out points like Yesufu very Athletic # 2 man - - -The other transfer that can Score a stretch 4/5 that shoots the 3 really well. - -they said the big thing IS if he can DEFEND then look out.

Depth ? - - my GOD do we now have depth:- -when you can pull if needed guys that on the bench to play - you have Braun for sure - - Harris to relieve - - Petiford - - Martin -Clemence - - Adams - Curry - Mitch can come in and give 4-5 minutes when you can put that kind out on the floor to relieve spot minutes - you Start Ochai - - - Yesufu - - Martin - -McCormack & can't remember the other - -But dam man

They said the ONLY thing that might keep KU from being a top 3-5 team in the Nation - THE ONLY THING right now is : - -The upcoming NBA Draft. - -How many of these 3 stay in the draft - Ocahi ? - -Wilson ? - - Martin ? - -they said they think the order would be - -Martin the best chance - -then Oachi - - then Wilson.

They said KU now for sure has the Scoring - you got Yesufu that can go get you 15 - - Martin that can go out and get you 15 - - Oachi can go out and get you 15 - - takes a lot of the pressure off Oachi. - If nothing else we can throw body after body after body - - if we can get past this draft with 2/3 we good . - If we gt say Martin & Wilson back - -were good - -if we get Martin & Oachi back - -were for sure good - -if Martin stays in that might change things some but we would still be good not AS good but still good.

@BShark I meant good enough to leave.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Remy to Kansas:

@BShark I meant good enough to leave.

Believe he will leave regardless of NBA feedback after next season. He really wants to go pro even if it doesn't end up being the NBA.

First things first, let's make sure all of these guys are in Lawrence 5 months from now.

@BShark Zach Clemence can absolutely play next to Dave. Clemence has minimal low post game offensively and doesn't have the strength to defend post players. Their games compliment each other very well.

I don't think Zach will be ready defensively next year, especially against smaller and quicker opposition. Not exactly Jalen's forte either but Jalen is a much better option next year.

@BShark said in Remy to Kansas:

I don't think Zach will be ready defensively next year, especially against smaller and quicker opposition. Not exactly Jalen's forte either but Jalen is a much better option next year.

I don't ever expect Clemence to be good on defense because he's too much of a finesse player. That said, I think he's better suited to play defensively at the 4 spot because he's long enough to alter shots even if he's beaten by quicker players because he'll still have a size advantage over most other 4's he'd face. Clemence at the 5 on defense would just get physically manhandled by most post players for at least his first two seasons.

Zach Clemence is an ideal stretch 4 that I think can have a comparable career to Perry Ellis.

All in all, this is turning out to be a LOT better off-season than I expected. Remy killed us a couple of years ago when he came off the bench to hit a bunch of clutch shots. Good to have him on our side.

"If you CAN beat 'em, join 'em"

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Remy to Kansas:

First things first, let's make sure all of these guys are in Lawrence 5 months from now.

ya kind of have my doubts about Martin

@BShark Braun and the other big Martin - who I think will play for about 10mpg - both being able to hit from thee. And there are others.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Remy to Kansas:

@BShark said in Remy to Kansas:

I don't think Zach will be ready defensively next year, especially against smaller and quicker opposition. Not exactly Jalen's forte either but Jalen is a much better option next year.

I don't ever expect Clemence to be good on defense because he's too much of a finesse player. That said, I think he's better suited to play defensively at the 4 spot because he's long enough to alter shots even if he's beaten by quicker players because he'll still have a size advantage over most other 4's he'd face. Clemence at the 5 on defense would just get physically manhandled by most post players for at least his first two seasons.

Zach Clemence is an ideal stretch 4 that I think can have a comparable career to Perry Ellis.

I like Clemence and think that he's going to be solid,,, so you're saying that he is ready to

@Marco I don't think Clemence is ready enough for starters minutes, but I think he's coming in ready to play 10-15 minutes as a backup.

I hope Clemence can give us some minutes this year. But I just struggle to see it. Guy can flat out shoot it though. Always intriguing.

I could see a scenario where Clemence and C. Martin come in if the offense is stagnant and we do some pick and pop/iso ball with Remy. You could theoretically iso him and put Clemence, C. Martin, Ochai and Yesufu on the perimeter in catch and shoot situations. Then you just let Remy go to work and hope he makes the smart basketball play. Very NBA, but it could be pretty effective.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Remy to Kansas:

@BShark Zach Clemence can absolutely play next to Dave. Clemence has minimal low post game offensively and doesn’t have the strength to defend post players. Their games compliment each other very well.

I totally agree with you here! I think Zach was a big time get for us... partially because he can nail the trey and he can attack off the dribble with his size. Also... I think he's a great match playing with Dave!

I'm always screaming for more guards and a heavy guard team... but I have to admit I'm excited with our post! I can see us with a big lineup that can work... especially if we get Jalen back. He's a natural 3. What can happen when we have Jalen at the 3, Dave at the 5... and we rotate Cam and Sydney at the 4? Cam and Jalen can definitely hit the trey while also driving to finish. Sydney looks like a crazy driving force! I wonder how his pass is? He could sure help Dave rack up some easy finishes at the rim! Now we have a dead-eye trey shooting PG who can also drive, and then add Ochai or Christian at the SG.... This is looking like one of those teams where we can try many looks... sizes... to see what works with what team!

This starting 5 averaged 70.2 pts per game last year - Martin, Yesufu, Agbaji, Wilson, McCormack. KU averaged 73 as a team last year.

Add Braun, Mitch, Harris- 85.7 ppg.

No excuse for this team not being Top 5 on offense

@drgnslayr said in Remy to Kansas:

I'm always screaming for more guards and a heavy guard team... but I have to admit I'm excited with our post! I can see us with a big lineup that can work... especially if we get Jalen back. He's a natural 3. What can happen when we have Jalen at the 3, Dave at the 5... and we rotate Cam and Sydney at the 4? Cam and Jalen can definitely hit the trey while also driving to finish. Sydney looks like a crazy driving force! I wonder how his pass is? He could sure help Dave rack up some easy finishes at the rim! Now we have a dead-eye trey shooting PG who can also drive, and then add Ochai or Christian at the SG.... This is looking like one of those teams where we can try many looks... sizes... to see what works with what team!

Jalen Wilson is not now, nor will he ever be a 3 at the college level. He is nowhere near athletic enough to guard wing players considering he couldn't really guard 4's last season.

Cam Martin won't see many, if any, minutes next to Dave of Wilson is back because Martin makes McCormack look like Joel Embiid athletically. There's a reason why Martin went to Jacksonville St. and then dropped down to D2 and it's because he's not athletic at all so he and Dave together make KU's post defense suspect at best.

Sydney Curry most likely redshirts this season because he needs to drop weight to be able to utilize his abilities because he's not quick enough at his current size to be very helpful this season. He was also recruited with being Dave's long term replacement in mind and still needs a lot of work on his game to get to that point.

Did KU sign another PG that's a dead eye shooter because the one that just committed to KU sure as hell isn't a dead eye shooter unless you consider a career 33.6% 3 point shooter a dead eye shooter.

I'm also not sure why you'd want Ochai or Braun playing at the 2 spot when Ochai has next to no handles and Christian Braun was the 2 last year and was a liability in that spot 90% of the time last season.

KU's starting lineup next season assuming everyone comes back like they should will be Remy Martin, Yesufu, Agbaji, Wilson, and McCormack. Braun, Harris, and Cam Martin being the core subs with Clemence and Pettiford seeing decent minutes as well.

@Texas-Hawk-10

Maybe I'm over-projecting... it's nice to have positive thoughts between now and basketball season. Not sure why we would recruit Martin if he won't see the floor? Especially since he only has one year. Guys like him have sure racked up points on us in the past. He has no business camping in the low post. But he could pull out another team's 4 on the perimeter, opening up the middle for Dave.

I agree that Jalen needs to gain athleticism because he sure isn't a 4 at the NBA level. He doesn't really have the strength to guard the 4 either. Kid needs to muscle up and he should be doing that this off-season.

I think a redshirt would help Sydney. Especially since he has only two years of eligibility left.

I expect Jalen to get most the minutes at the 4... but I was thinking about bigger lineups... something Self seems to be moving away from anyways.

@drgnslayr said in Remy to Kansas:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Maybe I'm over-projecting... it's nice to have positive thoughts between now and basketball season. Not sure why we would recruit Martin if he won't see the floor? Especially since he only has one year. Guys like him have sure racked up points on us in the past. He has no business camping in the low post. But he could pull out another team's 4 on the perimeter, opening up the middle for Dave.

I agree that Jalen needs to gain athleticism because he sure isn't a 4 at the NBA level. He doesn't really have the strength to guard the 4 either. Kid needs to muscle up and he should be doing that this off-season.

I think a redshirt would help Sydney. Especially since he has only two years of eligibility left.

I expect Jalen to get most the minutes at the 4... but I was thinking about bigger lineups... something Self seems to be moving away from anyways.

Oh Martin WILL see the floor. I agree they are not going to waste a Scholi on a one year guy if they don't plan on using him. The big question they discussed yesterday on the radio sports was - -IF he can defend? - If he shows he can he yes will be valuable 4/5 a big man being able to stretch the floor and average 45 % from the 3 point range for sure helps open the flor even more

@drgnslayr said in Remy to Kansas:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Maybe I'm over-projecting... it's nice to have positive thoughts between now and basketball season. Not sure why we would recruit Martin if he won't see the floor? Especially since he only has one year. Guys like him have sure racked up points on us in the past. He has no business camping in the low post. But he could pull out another team's 4 on the perimeter, opening up the middle for Dave.

I agree that Jalen needs to gain athleticism because he sure isn't a 4 at the NBA level. He doesn't really have the strength to guard the 4 either. Kid needs to muscle up and he should be doing that this off-season.

I think a redshirt would help Sydney. Especially since he has only two years of eligibility left.

I expect Jalen to get most the minutes at the 4... but I was thinking about bigger lineups... something Self seems to be moving away from anyways.

I'm not saying Cam won't play. I think he does play plenty as the primary back up to McCormack and spot minutes at the 4 spot on offense if Cam's playing next to Clemence or Lightfoot. I just don't see him being able to play alongside McCormack because that becomes a real defensive liability with each one's lack of overall athleticism and this team isn't shaping up to be all that good defensively next season, especially considering adding the ISU transfer to seemingly replace Agbaji is a terrible defender.

Jalen Wilson isn't going to be an NBA player. He's got a very similar style of game to Perry Ellis and Perry never really came close to making an NBA roster.

@Texas-Hawk-10

I can see a comparison of Jalen to Perry about athleticism. But their games are different and Jalen brings a lot more aggressiveness to the game. I agree he needs to up his athleticism to have a chance at the NBA... he can stand to strengthen up and it will help him more than it did Perry to add muscle because Jalen plays aggressive. I'm not saying I think he'll be NBA caliber. But if he can build his body he has a shot. Not everyone in the NBA is uber athletic. What counts is effectiveness.

@drgnslayr the less athletic people tend to be gigantors, ex. Z-Bo

@approxinfinity said in Remy to Kansas:

@drgnslayr the less athletic people tend to be gigantors, ex. Z-Bo

That and they are usually tremendously skilled too. Zach definitely qualifies there as well, and Jokic comes to mind.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Remy to Kansas:

@drgnslayr said in Remy to Kansas:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Maybe I'm over-projecting... it's nice to have positive thoughts between now and basketball season. Not sure why we would recruit Martin if he won't see the floor? Especially since he only has one year. Guys like him have sure racked up points on us in the past. He has no business camping in the low post. But he could pull out another team's 4 on the perimeter, opening up the middle for Dave.

I agree that Jalen needs to gain athleticism because he sure isn't a 4 at the NBA level. He doesn't really have the strength to guard the 4 either. Kid needs to muscle up and he should be doing that this off-season.

I think a redshirt would help Sydney. Especially since he has only two years of eligibility left.

I expect Jalen to get most the minutes at the 4... but I was thinking about bigger lineups... something Self seems to be moving away from anyways.

I'm not saying Cam won't play. I think he does play plenty as the primary back up to McCormack and spot minutes at the 4 spot on offense if Cam's playing next to Clemence or Lightfoot. I just don't see him being able to play alongside McCormack because that becomes a real defensive liability with each one's lack of overall athleticism and this team isn't shaping up to be all that good defensively next season, especially considering adding the ISU transfer to seemingly replace Agbaji is a terrible defender.

Jalen Wilson isn't going to be an NBA player. He's got a very similar style of game to Perry Ellis and Perry never really came close to making an NBA roster.

And therein lies the current problem (and he had a good season), Dave has kind of become absolete. The makeup and even strengths of this team do not serve his skillset. He should play fifteen, twenty minutes a game - tops. If he plays more (and Bill is loyal, sometimes to a fault) it will not, longterm, be good for the team.

@Marco said in Remy to Kansas:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Remy to Kansas:

@drgnslayr said in Remy to Kansas:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Maybe I'm over-projecting... it's nice to have positive thoughts between now and basketball season. Not sure why we would recruit Martin if he won't see the floor? Especially since he only has one year. Guys like him have sure racked up points on us in the past. He has no business camping in the low post. But he could pull out another team's 4 on the perimeter, opening up the middle for Dave.

I agree that Jalen needs to gain athleticism because he sure isn't a 4 at the NBA level. He doesn't really have the strength to guard the 4 either. Kid needs to muscle up and he should be doing that this off-season.

I think a redshirt would help Sydney. Especially since he has only two years of eligibility left.

I expect Jalen to get most the minutes at the 4... but I was thinking about bigger lineups... something Self seems to be moving away from anyways.

I'm not saying Cam won't play. I think he does play plenty as the primary back up to McCormack and spot minutes at the 4 spot on offense if Cam's playing next to Clemence or Lightfoot. I just don't see him being able to play alongside McCormack because that becomes a real defensive liability with each one's lack of overall athleticism and this team isn't shaping up to be all that good defensively next season, especially considering adding the ISU transfer to seemingly replace Agbaji is a terrible defender.

Jalen Wilson isn't going to be an NBA player. He's got a very similar style of game to Perry Ellis and Perry never really came close to making an NBA roster.

And therein lies the current problem (and he had a good season), Dave has kind of become absolete. The makeup and even strengths of this team do not serve his skillset. He should play fifteen, twenty minutes a game - tops. If he plays more (and Bill is loyal, sometimes to a fault) it will not, longterm, be good for the team.

Dave fits better with this group than last season. Last season's team couldn't shoot at all to spread the floor and open things up for Dave. This team should be much improved from deep which helps Dave out a bunch. Remy Martin running the show is going to make KU much better offensively than last year.

Dave is the best 5 on the roster next year.

As has been mentioned - -Dave will have a soild year next year we need Dave and he showed well through about the 2nd half of the season - -Ku going to be able to spread the floor Dave have more room to operate with the Guards we have Ysufu - - Lands Braun - -Dave is gonna be just fine - it's still going to be four out and one in and with the improved players we have going to be a lot better scoring the ball - - & like BShark said - -Dave is the best 5 we have and he has gotten better. - He saved our ass multiple times

@BShark said in Remy to Kansas:

Dave is the best 5 on the roster next year.

Skinniest, fat camp, etc

@BShark but should we go more than 10 or 15 mpg with a traditional 5?

@Marco Who would you play ahead of McCormack? The D2 transfer that's less athletic than McCormack? The JuCo who's about 3-4 inches shorter and nowhere near skilled enough to be a big factor to this year? The freshman who's softer than a wet paper bag? The 14th scholarship player who couldn't beat Dave out last season? The stretch 4 who may or may not be back next season?

Dave can and should get all the minutes he can handle.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Remy to Kansas:

@Marco Who would you play ahead of McCormack? The D2 transfer that's less athletic than McCormack? The JuCo who's about 3-4 inches shorter and nowhere near skilled enough to be a big factor to this year? The freshman who's softer than a wet paper bag? The 14th scholarship player who couldn't beat Dave out last season? The stretch 4 who may or may not be back next season?

I'd play and start Dave, just not for more than 20 mpg, mix and match in Martin and Curry for the other 20. The guy is only good for a half anyway. Second half Dave, right?

@Marco Sydney Curry is nowhere near ready enough to play yet and there's a reason why Cam Martin was a low major recruit that dropped to a D2 player. Dave was a McDonald's All-American. He was also by far KU's best overall player the last 2/3 of last season and the only reason KU didn't finish in the bottom half of the B12 last season.

Just because Dave doesn't play your preferred style of basketball doesn't justify trying to limit your best offensive player to just 20 minutes a game on a team that's going to be crap on defense and have to outscore people. Dave has to increase his minutes to near 30+ per game for KU to reach their full potential next season.

@Texas-Hawk-10 it's not about his style. He is not skilled or aggressive enough to be called a true 5, yet due to his too high a motor, almost mechanical style nor can her play anywhere else. I am saying, he just doesn't fit with the current line-up.

@Marco said in Remy to Kansas:

@Texas-Hawk-10 it's not about his style. He is not skilled or aggressive enough to be called a true 5, yet due to his too high a motor, almost mechanical style nor can her play anywhere else. I am saying, he just doesn't fit with the current line-up.

All of that is a load of bullshit. You're contradicting yourself with your own statements saying Dave isn't aggressive, yet has a high motor. You're letting personal bias against Dave cloud your judgement on how good Dave is. Dave isn't the most athletic guy out there and guess what lesser athletic basketball players have to be to succeed in basketball? Fundamentally sound which looks a whole helluva lot like being mechanical.

You also clearly don't realize that Self has built next season's team around Dave to play to his strengths. Dave and Remy have very complementary skills to execute a lot of pick and roll this season or to just iso Remy opposite of Dave and have easy dishes to Dave of the defense helps off of Dave to cover Remy. Then you got Yesufu, JCL, and Braun all more than capable of lighting it up from deep. Then you'll end up with Wilson, Clemence, or Cam sitting in the corner on the same side as Remy waiting for a kick out if their man helps on a Remy drive.

This team will not be anywhere near as offensively challenged as last year's team was. McCormack will be a 15 and 8 guy and the second leading scorer for KU behind Remy Martin next season.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Remy to Kansas:

@Marco said in Remy to Kansas:

@Texas-Hawk-10 it's not about his style. He is not skilled or aggressive enough to be called a true 5, yet due to his too high a motor, almost mechanical style nor can her play anywhere else. I am saying, he just doesn't fit with the current line-up.

All of that is a load of bullshit. You're contradicting yourself with your own statements saying Dave isn't aggressive, yet has a high motor. You're letting personal bias against Dave cloud your judgement on how good Dave is. Dave isn't the most athletic guy out there and guess what lesser athletic basketball players have to be to succeed in basketball? Fundamentally sound which looks a whole helluva lot like being mechanical.

You also clearly don't realize that Self has built next season's team around Dave to play to his strengths. Dave and Remy have very complementary skills to execute a lot of pick and roll this season or to just iso Remy opposite of Dave and have easy dishes to Dave of the defense helps off of Dave to cover Remy. Then you got Yesufu, JCL, and Braun all more than capable of lighting it up from deep. Then you'll end up with Wilson, Clemence, or Cam sitting in the corner on the same side as Remy waiting for a kick out if their man helps on a Remy drive.

This team will not be anywhere near as offensively challenged as last year's team was. McCormack will be a 15 and 8 guy and the second leading scorer for KU behind Remy Martin next season.

I mean you said Dave and Doke are good complementary bigs and Mitch a true PF who’ll play a lot of minutes with Dave my man. Don’t throw that rock too hard. Sometimes it ricochets.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Remy to Kansas:

@Marco said in Remy to Kansas:

@Texas-Hawk-10 it's not about his style. He is not skilled or aggressive enough to be called a true 5, yet due to his too high a motor, almost mechanical style nor can her play anywhere else. I am saying, he just doesn't fit with the current line-up.

All of that is a load of bullshit. You're contradicting yourself with your own statements saying Dave isn't aggressive, yet has a high motor. You're letting personal bias against Dave cloud your judgement on how good Dave is. Dave isn't the most athletic guy out there and guess what lesser athletic basketball players have to be to succeed in basketball? Fundamentally sound which looks a whole helluva lot like being mechanical.

You also clearly don't realize that Self has built next season's team around Dave to play to his strengths. Dave and Remy have very complementary skills to execute a lot of pick and roll this season or to just iso Remy opposite of Dave and have easy dishes to Dave of the defense helps off of Dave to cover Remy. Then you got Yesufu, JCL, and Braun all more than capable of lighting it up from deep. Then you'll end up with Wilson, Clemence, or Cam sitting in the corner on the same side as Remy waiting for a kick out if their man helps on a Remy drive.

This team will not be anywhere near as offensively challenged as last year's team was. McCormack will be a 15 and 8 guy and the second leading scorer for KU behind Remy Martin next season.

For a guy who seems to think that he knows everything, you tend to overreach and be wrong quite a bit. I know that they won't be as offensively challenged, which is one of the reasos why I stand by everything that I said. He was important to our team this past season, and I said so. And he will be an important piece this season too, and will undoubtedly play and should. I just don't want him to play more than about 20 mpg, tops - and I don't think he will.

The team has morphed is what I'm saying, completely different personnel for a different style. It is not going to nor it should it be a forcefeed Dave in the post offense anymore. I imagine he'll average about 9 or 10 ppg, which would put him about 4th on the team in scoring. Wilson - if he comes back - will average more than that and probably even Yesufu, Remy the leader ofcourse. And I haven't even mentioned Braun, Long, C. Martin or any of the others, but you did and while doing so seemed to think that it validated your point while not even coming close.

Dave was playing good ball by the end of the season. The start was BAD. But he had a great conference season and I think he will have a good 2021-2022 campaign.

@Kcmatt7 said in Remy to Kansas:

Dave was playing good ball by the end of the season. The start was BAD. But he had a great conference season and I think he will have a good 2021-2022 campaign.

I didn't say he wouldn't.

@Marco I didn't say you said he wouldn't.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Remy to Kansas:

You’re contradicting yourself with your own statements saying Dave isn’t aggressive, yet has a high motor.

I don't think having a high motor necessarily implies aggressiveness. How many times last year did we pan Dave for his middling rebound numbers or his proclivity to shoot a 12-15 ft. jumper instead of driving to the bucket or his inability to schedule a "block party" ala Doke?

That said, I think there are reasons Dave may not have been as aggressive as he could have been. As you said, last year's team didn't have the personnel to carve out space for Dave to operate as well as he may be able to do with next year's squad, which I agree is being assembled to help unclog the lane.

I think too that Dave was obscured by the shadow of Doke for the early part of last year, trying to hold himself up to unrealistic expectations and trying to be what he isn't. Towards the latter part of the season you could almost see him emerging from Doke's massive shadow and playing to his strengths. He also became pretty competent at quickly recognizing double teams and passing out of them. Next year, I think we'll make people pay big time for using that tactic, which should allow Dave's more aggressive side to shine.

I think the jury is still out on how aggressive Dave can be, but I wouldn't conflate a high motor with being aggressive.

I can concur with everyone on the Dave topic... just maybe worded differently.

Dave has a big motor in some areas... not all areas. He applied his motor to where he knew he could be effective. He limited himself a bit with this for two reasons: first... he was needed to play a lot of minutes and had to try to keep some energy in reserve. Second... to prevent more foul trouble. I feel certain he was coached into "energy management"... and wisely so!

I read Marco's statement different. Dave will stick out different from the rest on this squad because he is a specialist. He doesn't have a broad range of "game." He's specialized as a low post, sometimes mid-range, scorer. He has no business putting the ball on the floor often, or doing about anything on the perimeter except set screens. Compare to Cam, who has a soft touch from the perimeter, is tough on the drive and with good handles, and has a range of shots to draw from. I think Dave's brand of basketball will stick out a bit when matched around the other players.

Texas-Hawk gives a good perspective on how this team may be able to do more on offense, including making Dave more effective by using him better on high ball screens, and getting post feeds from different situations instead of last year, which was just a perimeter, structured and stiff, feed to the post. This year Dave should receive a lot more feeds from people on the move, on the dribble.

We can converse all we want but none of us know how this will play out until they lace up and start playing. It blows my mind still from last year how we largely wasted away offensive potential by becoming a team just based on standing on the trey line feeding Dave. As much as I adore Marcus... he was no point guard. I remain firm with my position that the PG is the most important position on any team, even when you have someone like Doke in the paint. Doke was nothing without Dot! Let's hope we get a version of Remy - Dave going like we did Dot - Doke!

@drgnslayr said in Remy to Kansas:

He has no business putting the ball on the floor often, or doing about anything on the perimeter except set screens.

100% shooting from beyond the arc last season!

@tis4tim

We should be able to give the laugh emoji in this forum!

@drgnslayr and that, in a nutshell, is what I was trying to say before before being told that I was full of shit 😂

@Marco said in Remy to Kansas:

@drgnslayr and that, in a nutshell, is what I was trying to say before before being told that I was full of shit 😂

Wait ? -Whaaa ? lmao you being told your full of Shit ? - -Oh that's not good - -oh ya and umm buddy - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer67 wouldn't be the first time, right?

One thing that I am almost certain about (almost), is that it will be a Remy-centric and Wilson/Yesufu dominated offense with alot more dribble drives and kickout 3s.

@Marco said in Remy to Kansas:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Remy to Kansas:

@Marco said in Remy to Kansas:

@Texas-Hawk-10 it's not about his style. He is not skilled or aggressive enough to be called a true 5, yet due to his too high a motor, almost mechanical style nor can her play anywhere else. I am saying, he just doesn't fit with the current line-up.

All of that is a load of bullshit. You're contradicting yourself with your own statements saying Dave isn't aggressive, yet has a high motor. You're letting personal bias against Dave cloud your judgement on how good Dave is. Dave isn't the most athletic guy out there and guess what lesser athletic basketball players have to be to succeed in basketball? Fundamentally sound which looks a whole helluva lot like being mechanical.

You also clearly don't realize that Self has built next season's team around Dave to play to his strengths. Dave and Remy have very complementary skills to execute a lot of pick and roll this season or to just iso Remy opposite of Dave and have easy dishes to Dave of the defense helps off of Dave to cover Remy. Then you got Yesufu, JCL, and Braun all more than capable of lighting it up from deep. Then you'll end up with Wilson, Clemence, or Cam sitting in the corner on the same side as Remy waiting for a kick out if their man helps on a Remy drive.

This team will not be anywhere near as offensively challenged as last year's team was. McCormack will be a 15 and 8 guy and the second leading scorer for KU behind Remy Martin next season.

For a guy who seems to think that he knows everything, you tend to overreach and be wrong quite a bit. I know that they won't be as offensively challenged, which is one of the reasos why I stand by everything that I said. He was important to our team this past season, and I said so. And he will be an important piece this season too, and will undoubtedly play and should. I just don't want him to play more than about 20 mpg, tops - and I don't think he will.

The team has morphed is what I'm saying, completely different personnel for a different style. It is not going to nor it should it be a forcefeed Dave in the post offense anymore. I imagine he'll average about 9 or 10 ppg, which would put him about 4th on the team in scoring. Wilson - if he comes back - will average more than that and probably even Yesufu, Remy the leader ofcourse. And I haven't even mentioned Braun, Long, C. Martin or any of the others, but you did and while doing so seemed to think that it validated your point while not even coming close.

Got to differ on Dave's Minutes - he will still average around 15-18 minutes per, true won't have to be force feed - the floor going to be a lot bigger this Season - -more spread then even before- But Dave will still be to vital of a piece for this team for only 9-10 minutes -

@Marco said in Remy to Kansas:

@jayballer67 wouldn't be the first time, right?

No not at all lmao - -and tell you what people just don't realize what that does for me when they talk like that -- makes me feel soooo special - makes me tingle all over lmao. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer67 I'll take that in a heartbeat, 15 to 18 minutes sounds even better. And yes, he'll still be an important piece.

@Marco said in Remy to Kansas:

@jayballer67 I'll take that in a heartbeat, 15 to 18 minutes. And yes, he'll still be an important piece.

Dam dude I thought you were saying Dave would be getting only 9-10 minutes per game - -instead you were talking points per - still have to disagree a little. I think we probably looking like still Dave getting around 12 - -maybe even possibly 13 a game this Season with the floor even more spread. - -thing is teams won't be able to clog things up as much as they are going to be forced to guard the outside the wings and such with our new additions - One thing is Dave is a pretty dam good free throw shooter and with Remy being able to distribute I think Dave will get even more opportunities at the line and be a part of the reason for the 12-13 per

@jayballer67 which is why Dave needs to go to the rack more, because he is a good free throw shooter.

@BShark said in Remy to Kansas:

Dave can and should get all the minutes he can handle.

No Doubt buddy - - no doubt at all I agree 100 %. As hard as it may be hard to believe , I think Dave is to vital to big of a piece on this upcoming team not to. - -We still going to be 4 around 1 and Dave has to be that 1. - I just myself I think Dave is going to be the one taking the most minutes and then spelled by Mitch & Martin - -the only time I could possibly see an all 5 out type of Scenario would be when Martin is on the floor. Again I will bring up the thing is with Martin is - - IF he can defend at all then when he is on the floor you will see him out stretching the floor which could be a very good thing - Still think Dave IS the one who needs to be on the floor the most

@Marco said in Remy to Kansas:

@jayballer67 which is why Dave needs to go to the rack more, because he is a good free throw shooter.

And with the make up of this upcoming roster that is exactly what I believe you will see happen. - Like people have said Marcus and I love Marcus mainly defensively but anyways Marcus was not a true point guard. - -With Remy being that true point guard I think you will be able to see Dave establish position more often then not and Remy be able to get him the ball with him being in THAT better position and thus more time at the line. - -We missed hm many many times when he had established last year - -would end up throwing around outside instead of going in when he was posed up. - -Thats not going to be the case this year.

@jayballer67 I don't advocate for five out, just think that Cam, Clemence and Adams and even Curry will play, drastically cutting into Dave's minutes. And I don't that will be a bad thing, different looks and styles. It will be interesting to see who willingly accepts a redshirt this year, because it is a very deep team. If ever there were a year to use an almost two platoon system this would be it. But as we should all know by now, Bill isn't too down with that idea.

@Marco said in Remy to Kansas:

@jayballer67 I don't advocate for five out, just think that Cam, Clemence and Adams and even Curry will play, drastically cutting into Dave's minutes. And I don't that will be a bad thing, different looks and styles. It will be interesting to see who willingly accepts a redshirt this year, because it is a very deep team. If ever there were a year to use an almost two platoon system this would be it. But as we all should know by now, Bill isn't too down with that idea.

Adams isn't close to being ready to play very meaningful minutes - - Clemence probably have a hard time seeing many minutes. - -I think Adams is a serious contender for a red shirt year Like I said I think Dave is your biggest most important of the 5's - it will be split between Dave , Martin and Mitch if anything

Reading over CJ Moore's article on the Athletic about Remy and JCL. It seems to me that Bobby Hurley miiiight not be the best coach.

@BShark his brother is better than him, and was a much lesser player. I've always found that interesting - because Hurley was a great college player, and before his injury even working on a more than solid NBA career - how most great players don't translate well to being good coaches. I'm not saying all, Howard has already shown that he can coach but most don't. I have never been able to understand that.

@Marco said in Remy to Kansas:

@drgnslayr and that, in a nutshell, is what I was trying to say before before being told that I was full of shit 😂

Didn't say you were full of shit, I said you claiming Dave isn't a 5 or a good fit with this roster is bullshit. If you want to claim I said you're full of shit, then go right ahead.

@FarmerJayhawk I still stand by my opinion on Mitch that he'd have been better off at the 4 spot last year. I also said as soon as Silvio left the program that Mitch at the 4 was no longer a good option because KU no longer had a game ready 5 to back up Dave other than Mitch. Is Mitch a better offensive player than Jalen? No, but Mitch is a better defender than Wilson is and even if he can't keep all 4's in front of him, Mitch is great at altering and blocking shots at the rim which is something that was pretty non-existent out of Wilson last season.

In CJ Moore's recent article an unnamed assistant coach talked about how both Dave and Remy will really help each other and how they fit well together.

I think we can all agree that Remy was a huge get for us and should help take this team to a different level! I know I was really hopeful we would find a plug-n-play PG who already was proven. Bingo! Landing Lands told us this team roster isn't done changing yet as we go over the allotment. I keep hearing Ochai is gone.

I think we are still recruiting for the coming year... and it won't surprise me at all if another player is signed soon.

@drgnslayr said in Remy to Kansas:

I think we can all agree that Remy was a huge get for us and should help take this team to a different level! I know I was really hopeful we would find a plug-n-play PG who already was proven.

I think we are still recruiting for the coming year... and it won't surprise me at all if another player is signed soon.

Yes! I really couldn't even have dreamed of such a good addition this late in the game until I heard it was really likely on the 11th.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I didn't say either, not as you are stating them. Said that the roster has kind of evolved away from his skillset, and that his minutes would and should diminish for the team that we have. There's a reason why Coach brought in the bigs that can shoot, right? I didn't say that he had no role, which is what you are implying.

@Texas-Hawk-10 And I say that's a load of shit. While it's cool that he's coming back for team unity and whatnot he will - and for good reason - hardly see the court this year.

@BShark Probably the biggest pickup in how long? What, three years going on four?

@Marco said in Remy to Kansas:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I didn't say either, not as you are stating them. Said that the roster has kind of evolved away from his skillset, and that his minutes would and should diminish for the team that we have. There's a reason why Coach brought in the bigs that can shoot, right? I didn't say that he had no role, which is what you are implying.

This is where I flat out disagree with you and am saying you are going to be wrong about once the season gets going. Dave McCormack is going to be the second best player on this team behind Remy Martin assuming Martin eventually withdraws from the draft. You don't make your team better by playing your best post player fewer minutes.

This roster was constructed around's Dave's skill set to enhance Dave's abilities. Remy Martin is an aggressive PG who looks to drive and will open up the pick and roll and high ball screen offense that Dotson ran with Doke to perfection two years ago. This version won't be that good, but it'll be really damn effective. The biggest reason it'll be effective this year is because all the other rotation level players except for Jalen Wilson should be above averge shooters this season which means their guys can't sag off like last season to double and triple team Dave which was a common occurrence last season and took Dave time to adjust to. Dave will see a lot more one on one this year.

This team is not more athletic than last year, but it is much more skilled and built around players whose skill sets compliment one another.

As for Mitch, I never said anything about Mitch playing big minutes this upcoming season or even being a rotation level guy next season. I've already said what I thought rotation next season would look like and Mitch wasn't there. I said the starters would be R. Martin, Yesufu, Agbaji, Wilson, and McCormack with Harris, Braun, C. Martin being the primary bench guys with Pettiford and Clemence also getting time. With the JCL signing, that's a pretty strong indicator of Agbaji not returning so JCL can swapped into Agbaji's role.

The media sure seems to think Dave will have a big role.

All I remember from last yr is that most people, fans on here, some experts,🤣 were wanting to bench big dave early on. So, my point is, we should trust coach and let these guys develop. I'm pretty excited to see how the new guys work out. I think some of them might play more than some think. I'm wondering if Juan, remy and yesufu can play at the same? To small?

@Crimsonorblue22 All three are 6' or less, not really doable.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I disagree. He is not - even if Remy went pro - our best option or player.

So assuming that Ochai is gone a starting 5 of Dave, Wilson, Lands, Yesufu and Remy?

Guys , quick question -- off topic BUT just Curious so why is it our cool little chat room here on Buckets why is it our comments fall off a lot on Fridays lol ? - -You know I HAVE to get my KU fix but on Fridays or most Fridays become so quiet you could almost hear a jellybean drop lol - Really miss all the interesting Conversation on here - - this is where I get my fix

Especially during the off Season , late Spring and horrible Summers - they just drag till we get back to the fall sports, Thank God there has been so much Basketball activity & the hiring of a new Football Coach has been good for conversation - -don't go hide now lmao - - I'll never make it through the Summer. Maybe we need to hold back some hot juicy talk till Fridays ya that's what we need to do lmao

My concern with this KU team is that Self, by default, likes a strong defensive team. Problem is, the best players (likely anyway) on this team are probably not defensive stalwarts. That means that Self will almost certainly over play a guy that is a lesser talent because they are an improvement on defense. We have seen that throughout his time at KU.

So how does this team fit together knowing that Self will want some better defensive players on the floor?

@justanotherfan Who on the bench is a good defensive talent?

• Braun - Meh
• JCL - Meh
• Pettiford - Probably not as a freshman
• Cuffe - Redshirt
• Mitch - was a backup a year ago
• Martin - Doesn't strike me as a top tier defender
• Clemence - looks like he will need to be in a college weight program first
• Adams - Might get some time, might be too raw
• Curry - Seems like a guy who would foul out in about 18 minutes

Not sure Self has another option than to play the presumed 5 starters as many minutes as they can handle.

@Kcmatt7

And that's the problem. There's the potential that someone will impress Self defensively in the preseason and get way too many minutes. That's my biggest fear.

@Kcmatt7 said in Remy to Kansas:

@justanotherfan Who on the bench is a good defensive talent?

• Braun - Meh
• JCL - Meh
• Pettiford - Probably not as a freshman
• Cuffe - Redshirt
• Mitch - was a backup a year ago
• Martin - Doesn't strike me as a top tier defender
• Clemence - looks like he will need to be in a college weight program first
• Adams - Might get some time, might be too raw
• Curry - Seems like a guy who would foul out in about 18 minutes

Not sure Self has another option than to play the presumed 5 starters as many minutes as they can handle.

And that is the question, now that we pretty well know the roster, what is the starting 5 going to be? Long is a more than decent defender, and he can shoot, I pencil him in and obviously Remi and Dave (I didn't say he shouldn't start), Wilson and Yesufu - that's just a guess. Or maybe Braun over Long?

@justanotherfan Not seeing it with this bunch.... I'd love for you to speculate who that could be, and who's minutes they would take.

@justanotherfan said in Remy to Kansas:

My concern with this KU team is that Self, by default, likes a strong defensive team. Problem is, the best players (likely anyway) on this team are probably not defensive stalwarts. That means that Self will almost certainly over play a guy that is a lesser talent because they are an improvement on defense. We have seen that throughout his time at KU.
So how does this team fit together knowing that Self will want some better defensive players on the floor?

This is one of the more insightful questions posed in here for a while.

I'm wondering if Self has partially changed his vision. I know he will stand there all day and shout "defense" but in reality it's not like he is out there in the recruiting world just searching out guys who can defend. And how can he? How can he go out there and recruit based on defensive potential at the D1 level? Recruits mostly focus on offense and selling sizzle.

I think Self just has to recruit with how players fit into the offense and a slight vision of if they can fit in the defense... but it really comes down to players buying in to defense and focusing energy on becoming a better defender. Talk is cheap during recruiting. I think most people think the salesmanship all comes from the coaches trying to win over players. Players also have to sell themselves, too. Like I said, talk is cheap. And Self isn't going to know what these guys are going to do until they start playing.

I see everyone focusing on a starting lineup. It's way too soon for that. Obviously, there are players like Dave who should get the nod. Just don't be surprised if he's benched through part of November because Self thinks he should produce more. We all know how Self is capable of benching someone for a while to help motivate.

Great conversation. On a Friday nonetheless!

@drgnslayr agreed. Self hasn't had a good defensive team since 2011-12. He has had good defensive players, and often not one of the most talented 5 offensively, I'm with @justanotherfan along that line of thought. I'm not as worried about a big getting minutes even if he can't shoot than I am a guard. The logical candidate for this honor of the guards is Dajuan, and I think he's a very good passer, which Marcus was not, and so is still offensively gifted even if his shot needs work. I feel like Dajuan makes our offense better, as long as he has enough other players on the floor that can shoot the 3.

I am prepared to be wrong about not worrying about the bigs scoring or spreading the floor. Hopefully they are mobile defenders though (unlike Doke pre transformation against Villanova) and can guard the perimeter so nullify offensive inefficiencies.

To me the biggest questionmark is what we will get out of Jalen and Christian. I think they will defer to the alpha dogs Yesufu Martin and Dave. We need consistency from them. I have a feeling they might struggle a bit to contribute when their roles change to support roles, especially since they aren't plus defenders. If that happens I could see someone taking their minutes.maybe one of them falling out of the rotation.

@approxinfinity said in Remy to Kansas:

@drgnslayr agreed. Self hasn't had a good defensive team since 2011-12.

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OK 2020 doesn't count, as unfair as that is to say. 2016 didn't feel like a good defensive team.

Look at that roster and tell me you think "good defensive team".

@approxinfinity Well, I for one think you must not be giving Tucker Vang and Clay Young enough credit...

@approxinfinity said in Remy to Kansas:

OK 2020 doesn't count, as unfair as that is to say. 2016 didn't feel like a good defensive team.

Look at that roster and tell me you think "good defensive team".

Why doesn't 2020 count? They played 31 games which seems likeore than enough to be able to claim that was an elite defensive team because that was an elite defensive team.

@Texas-Hawk-10 yeah. We just didn't get to see it play out in the post season, the ultimate testing ground.

@approxinfinity said in Remy to Kansas:

@Texas-Hawk-10 yeah. We just didn't get to see it play out in the post season, the ultimate testing ground.

We saw how great the defense was against Baylor at the end of the season when both teams were at their peak in a game that was basically for the regular season title.

@Texas-Hawk-10 one of my favorite games! Go Doke!

@Texas-Hawk-10 hey good point! Ty for the reminder.

I'm curious what Bill thinks about "bad ball" today? I know he always likes it when we keep teams below 60... versus us scoring over 90.

Knew that scoring was going to be a serious issue this past season, but it should be better this year. Defensively I think we'll be better too. Yesufu and Long D up, and the returnees (all four of them? Five? 😂) with another year under their belt should be better.