According to the Houston Tribune. Announcement in a couple weeks, probably effective 2025 or so.

Have to think KU would lobby HARD for a spot in the B1G. If the B1G went to 16 and added us and ISU, we'd play Iowa, ISU, Nubs, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Purdue, and Illinois every year. A few winnable games tbh. Then a periodic crossover with Rutgers. No worse than the Big 12 tbh. Plus a bigger chunk o change and increased academic profile. I'm game!

From the hoops side, also cool with it. Clearly the B1G is a very good basketball conference. Playing IU, Purdue, Wisconsin, MSU, Michigan most years would be pretty cool. Or maybe the smooth brains in our fanbase could get their wish and we'd land in the Big East and just be a basketball school ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Is there any incentive for the B10 to take us? Also would we have any obligation to take KSU with us? I agree the B10 seems like the ideal landing place for Kansas if this were to happen.

Yea my fear is we end up just replacing OU and Texas with like Houston and Memphis.

Have to hope we can navigate all of this and come out ahead.

@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Yea my fear is we end up just replacing OU and Texas with like Houston and Memphis.

Have to hope we can navigate all of this and come out ahead.

Mercy I hope not. Would just delute the Big 12 to a weaker. I'm in with Farmer on this. If this happens we need to really hope to get into the B10

@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Yea my fear is we end up just replacing OU and Texas with like Houston and Memphis.

Have to hope we can navigate all of this and come out ahead.

The Big 12 will not survive without OU and Texas, at least as a power conference. The schools that get left behind after the shuffle probably end up in the American.

@FarmerJayhawk who wants us to be Big East? Gross.

Should have known there would be bad news after the excellent summer recruitment period and excitement about the B12.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Is there any incentive for the B10 to take us? Also would we have any obligation to take KSU with us? I agree the B10 seems like the ideal landing place for Kansas if this were to happen.

Depends on how they value us I suppose. If we bring enough to grow the per school revenue pie, it makes sense.

There isn’t any formal rule joining the schools. Back in the last round Chancellor Bernie GL said it was in our interests to stay together, but I’m not sure how Girod feels. Given his hard science background he may feel the B1G is a better fit and KSU be damned.

@approxinfinity there’s a small, really cranky slice of our fanbase that thinks we should either drop football altogether or move to FCS and just be a hoops school. They aren’t good at math or strategic thinking, but that’s a view out there.

If this happens , I think KU will be fine and yes I do think the BiG would take us -as far as K-State I think they are screwed at least in major Conferences.- -I think we because of the Blueblood status would increase revenue for the B1G at least that seems to be pretty much what I've heard.

This if indeed true should not surprise anyone. Seen this coming who knows might be interesting a change. Think it would be interesting Match ups in Basketball for us

Serious question: So how does this work? A school can just up and leave a conference when the mood strikes? Who is stirring the pot and why can’t the rest of the schools tell OU and TX to pound sand?

Seems like lesser schools such as KSU that stand to lose status in a deal like this would have some say or recourse if they are hurt financially by realignment. Doesn’t seem right or fair.

2 (if accurate) gets this deal done. 🐦 View Tweet?s=19

@tis4tim said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Serious question: So how does this work? A school can just up and leave a conference when the mood strikes? Who is stirring the pot and why can’t the rest of the schools tell OU and TX to pound sand?

Seems like lesser schools such as KSU that stand to lose status in a deal like this would have some say or recourse if they are hurt financially by realignment. Doesn’t seem right or fair.

The short version is this wouldn’t take effect until 2025, when the Big 12 media deal is up. Schools sign a grant of rights with their conference, essentially saying you have control over our media deals. Once those are up, schools can play a free agency type game and look for the best deal. That’s what OU and Texas are doing. They see the Big 12 might not be in an advantageous position come the next media contract, so they need to move pretty quickly to lay down a marker. I would want KU to do the same if the opportunity came.

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

2 (if accurate) gets this deal done. 🐦 View Tweet?s=19

You think #2 would be enough to get 11/14 SEC schools to vote yes to Texas and Oklahoma joining the conference?

Also is there any way that Texas and Oklahoma could join the SEC before 2025? Some sort of buyout maybe? Similarly for Kansas and other B12 schools?

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

2 (if accurate) gets this deal done. 🐦 View Tweet?s=19

You think #2 would be enough to get 11/14 SEC schools to vote yes to Texas and Oklahoma joining the conference?

Also is there any way that Texas and Oklahoma could join the SEC before 2025? Some sort of buyout maybe? Similarly for Kansas and other B12 schools?

On that point, it’s the catalyst to get UT to jump. LHN was the big factor that kept them in the Big 12. I think the combination of UT and OU get the 11 votes. I don’t think either on their own get there. The allure of a 16 team super league is too much to pass up, even if A&M and Miz/Vandy/whoever get cold feet.

Yeah, someone would have to buy out the GoR. I’m not privy to the contracts but I’m sure there’s some kind of exit process. If not I guess they can wait until 2025 to move.

In any case, AD Goff got the gig in part because of his B1G connections. Lets hope he can get the deal done. While he won’t be the deciding factor (that’s KBOR and Doc Girod), he won’t hurt our case.

This accelerated from chatter to a done deal in about 8 hours. Tomorrow, hang onto your butts, Bucketeers

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Thanks, Farmer. That’s very helpful. I guess I’m old school (maybe just old) and hate to see traditional rivalries die and small, regional conferences turn in to nationwide behemoths. The only constant may be change but I don’t have to like it. Now get off my lawn!

@tis4tim said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

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Thanks, Farmer. That’s very helpful. I guess I’m old school (maybe just old) and hate to see traditional rivalries die and small, regional conferences turn in to nationwide behemoths. The only constant may be change but I don’t have to like it. Now get off my lawn!

Thanks! Happy to help. Man, I’m with you. If we could piece the old Big 8 together I’d be a happy guy

@FarmerJayhawk I concur, that would seem to be the best and most likely fit.... But man, it smacks of outright greed. As if OU and Texas are broke?

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@FarmerJayhawk

Thanks, Farmer. That’s very helpful. I guess I’m old school (maybe just old) and hate to see traditional rivalries die and small, regional conferences turn in to nationwide behemoths. The only constant may be change but I don’t have to like it. Now get off my lawn!

Thanks! Happy to help. Man, I’m with you. If we could piece the old Big 8 together I’d be a happy guy

The old Big 8 would be a shit conference though because that would have a worse TV deal than the AAC because the total population of those 6 states combined is only around 22 million which is smaller than Texas. OU would be the only football program with any drawing power, but that probably wouldn't last with the huge reduction in revenue.

Trying to revive the old Big 8 is a terrible idea in this time period. I also think KU going to the Big 10 from an athletic standpoint is a terrible idea as well because it would even further cripple football because it takes away the most important recruiting area for KU in Texas. Nebraska wasn't what they were, but they've never really even been competitive in the Big 10 since they joined because of how much they struggle to get recruits now.

@Texas-Hawk-10 whats the better alternative to going to the Big 10? Or are you saying there are no good options?

KU has to either go for the Big 10 or the less attractive option of the Pac-12. The Pac-12 means conference games starting at 9 PM most nights. That would suck. In the Big 10, at least you have most conference games starting at either 6, 7 or 8 at the latest (probably 6 or 7 all the time). That's workable.

The big hangup is KState. The legislature may not let KU leave KState behind, which may doom both to a non major conference.

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@FarmerJayhawk

Thanks, Farmer. That’s very helpful. I guess I’m old school (maybe just old) and hate to see traditional rivalries die and small, regional conferences turn in to nationwide behemoths. The only constant may be change but I don’t have to like it. Now get off my lawn!

Thanks! Happy to help. Man, I’m with you. If we could piece the old Big 8 together I’d be a happy guy

The old Big 8 would be a shit conference though because that would have a worse TV deal than the AAC because the total population of those 6 states combined is only around 22 million which is smaller than Texas. OU would be the only football program with any drawing power, but that probably wouldn't last with the huge reduction in revenue.

Trying to revive the old Big 8 is a terrible idea in this time period. I also think KU going to the Big 10 from an athletic standpoint is a terrible idea as well because it would even further cripple football because it takes away the most important recruiting area for KU in Texas. Nebraska wasn't what they were, but they've never really even been competitive in the Big 10 since they joined because of how much they struggle to get recruits now.

Which is why I said "if we could," which we clearly cannot. And heavily favor the B1G for KU's future.

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@Texas-Hawk-10 whats the better alternative to going to the Big 10? Or are you saying there are no good options?

It really depends on what the priority is where the best fit for KU is. Academics, the Big 10 would be a significant upgrade for KU. With Athletics, it again would depend on the goals of the athletic department. If the goal is to build up football, then trying to keep the Big 12 together would be the best case scenario. If that proves to not be a viable option, the AAC is probably the best option for football. As far as basketball goes, it'd be push between the Big 10 and Big 12. KU doesn't recruit regionally in basketball so it doesn't really matter too much if KU is in the Big 10 or Big 12, they'll still be a consistent top 5 program.

The only other viable option if the Big 12 dissolved would be the PAC 12 which is a much less attractive option than it was 10 years ago. If the Big 12 is not an option, the Big 10 would be the next best overall option, but would also mean we'll likely never see football be competitive.

@justanotherfan said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

KU has to either go for the Big 10 or the less attractive option of the Pac-12. The Pac-12 means conference games starting at 9 PM most nights. That would suck. In the Big 10, at least you have most conference games starting at either 6, 7 or 8 at the latest (probably 6 or 7 all the time). That's workable.

The big hangup is KState. The legislature may not let KU leave KState behind, which may doom both to a non major conference.

I agree the PAC is a really bad option for both parties. No current league stretches across 3 time zones, and that makes all sports an awkward fit, especially Olympic and other non-revenue sports. The roadies to freaking Pullman would be a disaster.

The talkers from on high are out. Move quickly, not be left holding our junk like last time around http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2021/jul/22/proactive-approach-critical-for-ku-if-ok/ ↗

@FarmerJayhawk this is going to move pretty quickly. Really not much of a reason to drag it out, at this point.

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KU has to either go for the Big 10 or the less attractive option of the Pac-12. The Pac-12 means conference games starting at 9 PM most nights. That would suck. In the Big 10, at least you have most conference games starting at either 6, 7 or 8 at the latest (probably 6 or 7 all the time). That's workable.

The big hangup is KState. The legislature may not let KU leave KState behind, which may doom both to a non major conference.

I agree the PAC is a really bad option for both parties. No current league stretches across 3 time zones, and that makes all sports an awkward fit, especially Olympic and other non-revenue sports. The roadies to freaking Pullman would be a disaster.

Slight correction: I'm sure you're talking about Big 5 football schools only, but the WAC does have teams in the Pacific, Mountain & Central time zones. Never did understand why UMKC was ever a member...the travel costs must have been killer.

You're right about road trips to Pullman, though. As someone once said, "It ain't the end of the world, but you can see it from there."

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@justanotherfan said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

KU has to either go for the Big 10 or the less attractive option of the Pac-12. The Pac-12 means conference games starting at 9 PM most nights. That would suck. In the Big 10, at least you have most conference games starting at either 6, 7 or 8 at the latest (probably 6 or 7 all the time). That's workable.

The big hangup is KState. The legislature may not let KU leave KState behind, which may doom both to a non major conference.

I agree the PAC is a really bad option for both parties. No current league stretches across 3 time zones, and that makes all sports an awkward fit, especially Olympic and other non-revenue sports. The roadies to freaking Pullman would be a disaster.

Slight correction: I'm sure you're talking about Big 5 football schools only, but the WAC does have teams in the Pacific, Mountain & Central time zones. Never did understand why UMKC was ever a member...the travel costs must have been killer.

You're right about road trips to Pullman, though. As someone once said, "It ain't the end of the world, but you can see it from there."

Oh man I forgot about the reincarnation of the WAC. Wild times

Little nugget I heard today. B1G has interest in KU and... UVA

OU and Texas not expected to take part in the B12 call this evening.

Don't wait if you're Kansas.

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Little nugget I heard today. B1G has interest in KU and... UVA

Makes sense considering UNC and GT were also rumored to have interest last go around.

One thing that could play into KU's favor is JTV. With streaming the future and the decline of cable, size of media markets is going to much less relevant than 10 years ago, but still a factor for probably one more round of TV deals. KU has long had one of the best tier 3 deals in the country and we're even able to handle their own production when KU football played on LHN.

KU's digital presence is something that should make themselves very attractive to the Big 10 if that's the desired route.

One other option that hasn't been tossed around much if OU and Texas left would be to go out an poach other schools. With the shape of the PAC 12 right now, poaching Colorado, Utah, and the Arizona schools could be feasible while also looking at schools like Houston and Cincinnati as well.

A 14 team conference with that membership would be better than the PAC in football for sure and competitive with the ACC top to bottom. In basketball, that'd be a monster of conference as well as Arizona and Cincinnati are consistent tournament teams and Houston in a major conference with what Sampson is doing now would have some staying power as well to be a consistent top 25 program.

In that 14 team model, it'd be easy enough to set split the conference so the Arizona schools and WVU and Cincy don't travel those directions very frequently. Even in basketball, it'd be an unbalanced schedule so it'd be possible to not schedule those four schools against each other too often with a road trip every other year.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

One thing that could play into KU's favor is JTV. With streaming the future and the decline of cable, size of media markets is going to much less relevant than 10 years ago, but still a factor for probably one more round of TV deals. KU has long had one of the best tier 3 deals in the country and we're even able to handle their own production when KU football played on LHN.

KU's digital presence is something that should make themselves very attractive to the Big 10 if that's the desired route.

For sure. Depending on how you figure the numbers, KU is second or third in the league in T3 value. Mostly due to the valuable games we let ESPN+ show every year. I’ll laugh my ass off if the same people who thought that deal was terrible and low class end up having to admit it saved our arse

Found this from another KU Site. G Swaim sports : Reported things were moving fast said was getting calls , texts , & E-mails saying that the Pac 12 were wanting to add : Oklahoma State , Texas Tech , KSU & Iowa State to go to 16 teams.

Saying that the 4 they wanted to add would join a division with Arizona State , Utes , Buffs , & Bears

In order for Texas and Oklahoma to join the SEC, current SEC member schools would need a 75% majority approval to add OU and Texas which means 11 of the 14 would have to vote yes. Would OU and Texas be able to get the votes?

The original leak came from the A&M beat writer here in Houston and we've already heard A&M say they will never vote for Texas to join. I can't imagine Missouri voting either considering why they left the B12. Arkansas would also very likely be a no vote considering UT is the reason they left the SWC for the SEC 30 years ago. So that's 3 very likely no votes which means everyone else would need to vote yes.

Here's where that would get interesting, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, and Kentucky allegedly have a gentleman's agreement to vote no to keep Clemson, FSU, GT, and Louisville out of the SEC forever because those schools like being the only SEC schools in their respective states. Would those 4 schools stand with A&M and vote no as well since A&M's reasoning for voting no would be the same reason those other 4 schools have refused to admit their in state rivals.

It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.

The source of this story is A&M's beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.

@FarmerJayhawk OH NO $5 A MONTH!!!

If the rest of the Big XII teams wanted to play hardball with OU and UT, they could follow the lead of the European soccer leagues (pardon the mixed metaphor).

Earlier this year the big money clubs tried to break away and create a Super League. Immediately the domestic leagues threatened them with heavy fines and other major sanctions. That (and near-riots in some cities) made the big dogs back off.

It's not like the NCAA has much power left to stop the other B12 schools from doing that. Welcome to the Wild West.

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It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.

The source of this story is A&M's beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.

Why they left and why they’re in the league now are two different things. The SEC wasn’t the absolute financial powerhouse 30 years ago it is now. Arkansas is staying in the league because it would be financial malpractice to leave, regardless of why they got there in the first place. Pretty confident they’ll fall in line and vote to let OU and Texas in. Grows the pie for them and not like Texas will run the SEC like they did the SWC. Totally different circumstances.

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It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.

The source of this story is A&M's beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.

Why they left and why they’re in the league now are two different things. The SEC wasn’t the absolute financial powerhouse 30 years ago it is now. Arkansas is staying in the league because it would be financial malpractice to leave, regardless of why they got there in the first place. Pretty confident they’ll fall in line and vote to let OU and Texas in. Grows the pie for them and not like Texas will run the SEC like they did the SWC. Totally different circumstances.

That's total bullshit. You're not from the region and do not understand the disdain Arkansas still has for the University of Texas. For the people that have power and influence at Arkansas and will determine how Arkansas votes, UT is still their most hated rival and they want nothing to do with Texas in their conference. If you think people in Austin are going to sit back and let Alabama keep running the league, you severely underestimate the power brokers in Austin.

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In order for Texas and Oklahoma to join the SEC, current SEC member schools would need a 75% majority approval to add OU and Texas which means 11 of the 14 would have to vote yes. Would OU and Texas be able to get the votes?

The original leak came from the A&M beat writer here in Houston and we've already heard A&M say they will never vote for Texas to join. I can't imagine Missouri voting either considering why they left the B12. Arkansas would also very likely be a no vote considering UT is the reason they left the SWC for the SEC 30 years ago. So that's 3 very likely no votes which means everyone else would need to vote yes.

Here's where that would get interesting, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, and Kentucky allegedly have a gentleman's agreement to vote no to keep Clemson, FSU, GT, and Louisville out of the SEC forever because those schools like being the only SEC schools in their respective states. Would those 4 schools stand with A&M and vote no as well since A&M's reasoning for voting no would be the same reason those other 4 schools have refused to admit their in state rivals.

Na , I think they are in if THEY want in. - -There was also an interesting report that FOX Sports could come up with a very tempting finanicial offer that would have Texas & Oklahoma play as an independent and FOX Network becoming involved with a contract sitting up a series of games --that could be dangled in front of their face. - I still think it's SEC and really don't see a lot of problem with them getting in. SEC has now come out publically about expansion and wanting the possibility of Oklahoma & Texas. I think the interest is VERY REAL from both parties

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It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.

The source of this story is A&M's beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.

Why they left and why they’re in the league now are two different things. The SEC wasn’t the absolute financial powerhouse 30 years ago it is now. Arkansas is staying in the league because it would be financial malpractice to leave, regardless of why they got there in the first place. Pretty confident they’ll fall in line and vote to let OU and Texas in. Grows the pie for them and not like Texas will run the SEC like they did the SWC. Totally different circumstances.

Couldn't agree more , don't think it will be much of an issue with them being accepted.

Found this & heard from articles and Video off ESPN . Makes very solid point. He says Oklahoma & Texas are just getting the jump. He says when Oklahoma and Texas joins the SEC then going to become the SEC and then everyone else. SEC IS the best football conference and adding two powers. Big 10 not as Good - - Pac 12 not even in the picture

He talks about The NIL , saying that for an example Sophomore Bryce Young of Alabama hasn't played a snap and is right at 7 figures of the NIL. He says every 4 * & 5 * player is looking to maximize the finanical potential not only in the NFL but also while in College and what better place then in the best Football Conference in America? - Gonna throw other conferences in turmoil & Scrambling to pick up the pieces.

It's about to be ALL about the SEC then everybody else. As he said the NIL IS the future of recruiting.

Paul Finebaum who works for ESPN and also has ties to the SEC says he thinks this is something with Oklahoma and Texas is very far down the road & yes they will be in. Could be finalized very soon & done in the next couple of weeks. He talked about how he thinks there was some selective leaking about this trying to de-rail but not going to work

Big 12 Source says he thinks that talks between Oklahoma & Texas & the SEC have been going on for more then 6 months & a SEC member had been left out ( Texas A & M ) - but that about them being left out had been disputed by SEC .

Was mentioned that Texas & Oklahoma would have to forefit of upward of 76 million Each to buy out their remainder of the grant. Was brought up in the Article that the ACC had wanted to bring TExas and Oklahoma into the ACC -this caught them by surprise. - - -Things arer about to get REAL interesting a lot of change coming

Let's weigh all of the options for KU:

1. Poaching other schools to make the Big 12 viable - Poaching schools like Colorado (wrong time zone), Iowa (doubtful they are interested, and even if they are, small population state for TV purposes), Nebraska (see Iowa issues), or Arkansas (same as Iowa and Nebraska, with the addition that they will want to be in a stronger baseball conference than the reimagined Big 12 can provide) has its issues. Looking through the grab bag of UCF, USF, Tulane, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis has some nice options, but again, no school that adds a significant fan base for TV purposes. The only way poaching works is if the Big 12 could somehow get Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, and Nebraska to add to West Virginia, Iowa State, KU, KSU, Oklahoma State, Baylor, Texas Tech and TCU. I doubt the B1G allows itself to be raided like that, but that's the only truly viable option. I give this a 4/10 for viability. Not impossible, but unlikely, and you are still at risk from a TV perspective.

2. Pursuing the SEC. This is a non-starter. KU is too weak in football to ever be competitive. It would strengthen basketball, but still falls short. Travel isn't a huge issue, but KU costs would go up to travel to schools like Mississippi State, South Carolina and Tennessee regularly. 1/10 because the SEC is not interested.

3. Pursuing the ACC. The ACC has a fairly large footprint at this point, up and down the East Coast. That probably makes expansion west difficult - the northernmost schools won't want to add trips to the midwest to their travel schedule that already includes games in South Carolina, Georgia or Florida. Divisions would be a mess - KU would have two trips to North Carolina per year, a trip to Florida, etc. Is this workable? Maybe. Practical? Not really. 2/10

4. Pursuing the Big 10. This is the best option. Adding KU and possibly UVa to the Big 10 gives them clear divisions for the first time in forever - KU, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana and Purdue on one side, with Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin. Some might say that the West is light on the football side (true right now), but that probably shifts over time, with those West schools able to eventually build up. And truthfully, other than Ohio State, the East isn't actually that strong. This conference could stay together long term and the travel is manageable for everyone with those divisions. Traditional Big 10 rivalries are intact. The only issue is whether the Kansas legislature lets KU leave KSU behind. If KU is tied to KSU, both schools sink. If not, one can stay in a power conference. 7/10, mostly because the legislature could throw a wrench into things.

5. Drop down from a major conference to a new midwest based basketball conference. This idea is basically a concession that KU football may never be anything more than a nightmare. Leave the P5 scene and focus on being a shaky football school in a conference with some configuration of KU, K-State, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, SMU, Tulane, Rice, and UAB. Footballwise, that's a not quite P5 level conference, but with some good teams and coaches. But basketballwise, that conference is competitive, with a chance to regularly send 6-8 schools dancing. Because of football, revenues take a hit, but if you pick the right group of schools and travel is reasonable, it can work. I give this a 4/10 because its basically an admission of defeat, but it is the best fallback option.

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It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.

The source of this story is A&M's beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.

Why they left and why they’re in the league now are two different things. The SEC wasn’t the absolute financial powerhouse 30 years ago it is now. Arkansas is staying in the league because it would be financial malpractice to leave, regardless of why they got there in the first place. Pretty confident they’ll fall in line and vote to let OU and Texas in. Grows the pie for them and not like Texas will run the SEC like they did the SWC. Totally different circumstances.

That's total bullshit. You're not from the region and do not understand the disdain Arkansas still has for the University of Texas. For the people that have power and influence at Arkansas and will determine how Arkansas votes, UT is still their most hated rival and they want nothing to do with Texas in their conference. If you think people in Austin are going to sit back and let Alabama keep running the league, you severely underestimate the power brokers in Austin.

Ok, I'll cite somebody who's covered the SEC and is perhaps the most plugged in reporter in the conference. You'd think if Arky was super serious about killing the deal they'd maybe say something about it. 🐦 View Tweet?s=20

We'll see how the vote turns out. I do know the power brokers in Austin know how to light millions of dollars on fire for no appreciable results. Seems to be their specialty. All hat, no cattle (at least on the field), as your people say.

@justanotherfan this basically is my view https://throughthephog.com/2016/10/19/big-12-collapses-ku-land/ ↗

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So from what I'm reading just now from CBS Sports. Oklahoma and Texas plan to inform the Big 12 Monday of their intentions not to renew the contract.

Also the way I'm understanding that quite possibly that both schools would have to pay close to 80 million each if they wanted to join the SEC before 2025 when the current contract expires. If they pay those fee's then they would start playing SEC in 2022 and wouldn't have to wait - -as CBS stated it would avoid an ugly 4 year divorce from the Big 12 if they paid the 80 milion which they said if they would become members of the SEC the 80 million could be easily made up. So it's likely this is the LAST year that these two are members of the Big 12

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

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Welp if that turns out to be the case kind of discounts the theory of Arkansas Missouri & Texas A & M not wanting them huh ? - if this turns out 13-1 - I would say Texas A & M would be the ONE oh well

So a few things on timing. OU and UT aren't waiting until 2025. There's enough money sloshing around to buy their rights back from the Big 12 ($76 million per school) and get them to the SEC for the 22-23 year. Now, if the Big 12 goes belly up after that the rights return to the schools, so it opens up a lane for KU to approach the B1G (who we're aggressively lobbying) and PAC and say hey, there's no buying out our media rights like the B1G had to with Maryland (to the tune of about $50m). So KU becomes more appealing than say, UVA, who has a 9 figure media rights deal with the ACC and even the B1G probably won't touch that. So if things really speed up we could be in the B1G in 12 months.

I could see more teams saying no if no had any sort of traction, but it doesn't seem to. I've heard a lot of people throwing around a KU-Mizzou package to the B10, but that doesn't seem likely if Mizzou is voting yes on adding OU-Texas.

@FarmerJayhawk I haven't looked into the conference's GoR much. The ACC's is through like the 2030's though, right? Do you know if the buyout is reduced as a school gets closer to the end of the GoR term, or if it's the same whether a school chooses to leave 10 years out or 1 year out? Like would UVA's buyout be less every year closer to the GoR's end-of-term?

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk I haven't looked into the conference's GoR much. The ACC's is through like the 2030's though, right? Do you know if the buyout is reduced as a school gets closer to the end of the GoR term, or if it's the same whether a school chooses to leave 10 years out or 1 year out? Like would UVA's buyout be less every year closer to the GoR's end-of-term?

I believe so. I think it's like most buyouts in the sense of you have to pay the remaining value on the deal. The ACC deal runs through 2035, so you'd have to pay 14 years worth of the deal to break it unless you negotiated some kind of settlement. Since the Big 12's is only through 2025 (assuming the league survives) it'll be much, much less. And honestly, Fox and ESPN will not be happy with a crippled Big 12, so my sense is they'll try to get out of the Big 12 deal, which could make us "free agents" so to speak.

@FarmerJayhawk That makes sense. Thanks

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I would be very pleased with the BIG.

Wonder what would happen with the Champions Classic.

@BShark said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

I would be very pleased with the BIG.

Would make for some very interesting match ups in Basketball , Wisconsin - - Michigan State , Michigan - -might be interesting form new rivals. - Yet would be very weird not to be playing K-State after soooooo many years

Wouldn't look forward in football though to the annual ass whoopings from Ohio State ll

Fineburn was saying he couldn't see the Big 12 surviving if Texas and Oklahoma went to the SEC . Someone text his show about saying you forgetting Baylor & KU in Basketball ?

He answered by saying no offense to Basketball BUT Basketball has no say in this. He said the one big concern for the big 12 surviving was that even though it has some good partners for Saturday games and such is that the Big 12 has no network like the Pac 12 has it's net work - -The SEC has their network - -The ACC has it's network - - The Big 10 has it's network - -but no Big 12 network- -

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

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Wondering if Oklahoma and Texas buy their contract out so they can get out and join SEC for the 2022 season , Think we all know the Big 12 is history. Just wonder if KU would buy out it's contract to be able to join Big 10 for 2022 Season ?

@KirkIsMyHinrich Good point. Maybe swap MSU for UCLA?

@jayballer67 not a PAAAAWWWWWL fan but he's spot on. Hoops is an afterthought here. Things seem to be moving FAST. Like once OU and UT make things official you could see the B1G go within a matter of weeks

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I notice that several schools are paired with KU when speculating about Big 10 additions. No one is talking about Notre Dame. They've been independent, but weren't they a part of the Big10 basketball schedule and didn't they join the Big10 football schedule this past year due to COVID? Would that perhaps make them a candidate or are there unsurmountable obstacles?

@bskeet said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

I notice that several schools are paired with KU when speculating about Big 10 additions. No one is talking about Notre Dame. They've been independent, but weren't they a part of the Big10 basketball schedule and didn't they join the Big10 football schedule this past year due to COVID? Would that perhaps make them a candidate or are there unsurmountable obstacles?

Yes, their quasi-deal with the ACC stipulates if they join a conference, has to be the ACC

Ah-- it was the ACC they were playing with. Sorry for the confusion!

@FarmerJayhawk All day long we take that nugget. Btw, thanks for the nugget. Question though, why would UVA want to move from the ACC?

@nwhawkfan nah, the Big12 is toast.

@BShark I like it.

Texas Tech , TCU , & Baylor all have already reached out to the Pac 12. - -You guys I know not on the Football side , BUT believe it or not - if this turns out which simply looks like it's happening - -I'm actually miss the K-State / KU rivalary - - no more K-State ? - - - -sooooo many years just won't seem right. - - Isn't that rivalry one of the oldest - I know - -but it just won't seem right

I think KU and KState will find a way to play one another annually if they aren't in the same conference after the dust settles. Similar to how Iowa St and Iowa are currently.

It will be interesting to see whether the P12 takes TCU or Baylor since they are religious universities. If the B12 conference dissolves, the best-case scenario for KState might be getting into the P12.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

I think KU and KState will find a way to play one another annually if they aren't in the same conference after the dust settles. Similar to how Iowa St and Iowa are currently.

It will be interesting to see whether the P12 takes TCU or Baylor since they are religious universities. If the B12 conference dissolves, the best-case scenario for KState might be getting into the P12.

TCU and Baylor are not religious schools in the same way BYU is. Neither school has the same level of code of conduct BYU has. TCU isn't even dry campus, it has coed dorms, and is typically ranked as one of the better party schools in the country. TCU is basically a religious school in name only. Baylor is a lot more strict in that regard as it is a dry school and doesn't have coed dorms, but it still doesn't approach BYU.

I didn't say either of them were religious schools in the same way BYU is. TCU is a private Christian University. Baylor is a private Baptist University. Maybe that won't be an issue for the P12, but I'm not sure. You seem pretty sure.

Thia is going to be some BS if they leave immediately and we dont get a showdown with Beard. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31868545/source-oklahoma-sooners-texas-longhorns-verge-making-sec-move ↗

@Texas-Hawk-10 Hmm. Code of Conduct and Baylor doesn't really seem to jibe.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

I didn't say either of them were religious schools in the same way BYU is. TCU is a private Christian University. Baylor is a private Baptist University. Maybe that won't be an issue for the P12, but I'm not sure. You seem pretty sure.

Are seriously trying to explain the culture of two Texas schools to someone who grew up in Texas and basically lived here my entire life?

Again, TCU is a Christian school in name only. I have spent plenty of time on both campuses as well as several other Christian universities in the region. TCU has very few of thallmarks of a Christian university. There is no other Christian school I have ever been to that is a wet campus. There is no other Christian school I have been to that has coed dorms. TCU being a "Christian" school will not be a stumbling block for the P12 looking at them.

Baylor has a lot more of the hallmarks such as being dry and not having coed dorms. They also have an on campus seminary, but that's part of why they're officially the largest Southern Baptist school in the world. Baylor however is nowhere near as strict on a lot of other policies that you'll find at other Christian schools such as chapel and a code of conduct.

The reason I bring up BYU is because they have made multiple attempts to join the PAC only to be rejected because of their religious affiliation. TCU would not have those issues, but Baylor likely would.

The biggest issue however and why the PAC 12 won't add any Big 12 school is California bill AB1887 which prohibits state funded California schools from traveling to play in states with LGBT discrimination laws in place. All current states within the Big 12 footprint are on that list and why KU can't play UCLA, Cal, or any other public school in California.

Even if the 12 schools voted 12-0 to admit these schools, California law will pretty much keep the PAC 12 from expansion.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I didn't really read your response, but I'm just going to tell you: the reason I don't engage you very frequently on buckets is because I believe you get into arguments with people in bad-faith. In other words, the points in question aren't really up for debate in your mind, but rather you just have a need to prove that you are right and the other poster is wrong. Consequently, I don't find discussions with you to be particularly informative/constructive or fun at all.

I think it will be interesting to see what happens with the remaining B12 teams. Have a good day.

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@BShark anyway A and M would back out join us and maybe sayyyyyy Colorado? Or somebody else? Not worth it?

@BShark said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

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Man if UT takes down the SEC that's a serious feat

@Crimsonorblue22 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@BShark anyway A and M would back out join us and maybe sayyyyyy Colorado? Or somebody else? Not worth it?

We're peacing out of the Big 12 if possible. Marriages of convenience don't last ¯_(ツ)_/¯

@Crimsonorblue22 augh haha thank you. I missed that

Rip big 12

@KirkIsMyHinrich As with everybody else, you have to sort through the chaff to find the wheat. For example, the point about Calif law was important.

I agree that there is a short fuse when anyone ventures an opinion on something he perceives as his bailiwick. But I have noticed that with almost everyone who writes long expository posts.

Another thing this is going to do , if the Conference dissolves after Texas & Oklahoma bolt to the SEC. Which I fully believe , I don't think there would be any saving the Big 12 if they leave for the SEC. - Soo with no more Big 12 - -there goes the Big 12 tourney in the Sprint Center. Been a Stable for the community along time . No more Conference tourneys there, No more 2nd home advantage for KU. Where is it that the Big 10 has their post Season Conference tourney ?

KU has most B1G Presidents/Chancellors on board.

Just read an article written by David Briggs " The Blade " Toledo Ohio . Wasn't the best of things we as KU fans would like to read or believe BUT art the same time brings out some kind of harsh but yet very realistic points that wouldn't make things very favorable in our favor for joining the Big 10. Which gets a person to thinking - - - if we as KU didn't get accepted into the Big 10 assuming this all goes down then exactly where DO WE GO ? Here is the things he had to say. Again kind of not so good but yet has valid points..

He said his 1st thought about the Big 10 answer to the SEC adding OU & Texas was the Big 10 adding KU & Iowa State - his 1st thought that it was a bad idea. Then he said after sitting back and thinking moe about it he thought would be a TERRIBLE IDEA for the Big 10. Saying that would be like doing expansion for the sake of Expansion. He said if the Big 10 countered the SEC adding Oklahoma & Texas by adding Ku & Iowa State would be like answering a Nuclear strike with a water Balloon.

Briggs says Expansion is all about Money & Power , with Football driving the train he Says what would the Big 10 be adding by adding KU & Iowa State ? Topeka Market ? - Kansas City ? saying that the Big 10 wouldn't be creating near enough value to it's TV deal to offest the 2 extra mouths to feed.

This doesn't shine a very good spin for us , but yet in a way you can see his point , Makes me feel not quitet as sure about us landing being accepted into the Big 10. Again if that turns out to be so - - then where do we go ?

Briggs needs to think a little harder. The media landscape is about to change very quickly. Basketball will become more valuable in the event of a breakaway. The B1G institutions like what we bring in research $. The big concern from their side a decade ago was facilities. That’s no longer an issue. In fact, it’s actually a positive now. Rock Chalk Park is an elite facility and capable of holding meets and tournaments at the conference or national level.

With streaming, media markets aren’t nearly as important as they were 10 years ago. It’s just as easy for a KU alum in Chicago to watch KU as it is an alum in LFK. It’s going to be very important to get eyeballs and sell subs to services like ESPN+.

Not guaranteeing we go to the Big Ten. I think the ACC is also a legit option.

Some interesting conversations I heard a National sports talk show off 1490 FM here in Topeka , every Sunday Night. - -It was mentioned that I guess said to the big 12 that in order for them to stay in the Conference or at least one major sticking point for them to stay would be - - they want their share of conference revenue to increase. - -Every member of the big 12 right now gets 37 million - -Oklahoma & Texas want their shares to be increased to 56 Million.. The Host of this talk show said that he was sure that the other members of the Big 12 he was sure probably wouldn't have a problem with that realizing that they are the Big brother of the league. But what's to say he said would keep them from bolting in 2025 even if you gave them the increase for the SEC or Pac 12 or the ACC in 2025 when it's time for the rights to be renewed.

Another interesting tidbit they came out with about Oklahoma & Texas bolting for the SEC. - - Seems like the Texas legislature has introduced a bill that states that for a Conference team to switch leagues that it would have to be passed by the Texas Legislature - - the interesting thing about this is this could be really interesting cause they named one of the legislators is a grad from like Texas Tech - -Another from TCU - - Another from Baylor and yet another from another Texas lol - -sounds like these guys wanting to play hard ball about letting Texas transfer out of Conference. - The pushing to rush this bill through they said OMG that's funny.

Another thing they said was OK Oklahoma says OK Texas can't go - - that's fine - -Oklahoma says we go and just take our little Sister - - Oklahoma State. BUT the question then becomes - - does the Big 10 WANT Oklahoma State instead of Texas - - this just took another twist - going to be interesting. - - I still think in the end they go BUT ya just never know

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

BUT the question then becomes - - does the Big 10 WANT Oklahoma State instead of Texas

Assume you mean SEC?

@mayjay said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

BUT the question then becomes - - does the Big 10 WANT Oklahoma State instead of Texas

Assume you mean SEC?

ya that's what I meant tp put - -flat screwed that up huh lol. - -the question becomes does the SEC want Oklahoma State with Oklahoma ? - -I also remembered the other legislator referring to my other post about Texas , the legisliture having to pass before they could join the SEC & that other one that I was referring about he is a grad from Texas A & M. - So you have Texas Tech - -TCU - - Baylor - & Texas A & M all there and they would have to vote in favor in the legislature to allow Texas to join the SEC - -they are trying to rush the bil through to get put in place. - -Like I said I think when it's all said and done they wil go - - BUT might cause some snags for awhile

Its over OU, Texas pulling out. Whether it happens before 2025 is going to be hotly decided

@BeddieKU23 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Its over OU, Texas pulling out. Whether it happens before 2025 is going to be hotly decided

I think it’s inevitable. They can’t say they’re leaving now or they’re on the hook for any damages, but I’d be really surprised if they’re in the league a year from now.

@FarmerJayhawk

Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Per ESPN

"The possibility remains that they pay the $75-80 million penalty for leaving early, while also giving the required 18 months' notice, per Big 12 bylaws."

This was interesting..

"Some have speculated that this is the first legal maneuver, and the possibility also exists that if the Big 12 dissolves before 2025, OU and Texas would no longer be bound to stay through the duration of the contract."

"The move might be costly for Oklahoma and Texas. Under Big 12 bylaws, they have to give the league 18 months' notice that they're leaving. The two schools signed agreements with the Big 12 that granted their first- and second-tier media rights to the league through June 30, 2025, and the Big 12 would own their rights until the deal expires -- even if they leave."

The last part about the Big-12 owning their rights even if they leave makes, wow. I bet they are hoping the Big-12 dissolves..

@BeddieKU23 Funny thing will be if the B12 somehow ends up surviving even as a lesser conference... Which is something I think is a real possibility.

I personally think the B12 stays alive - even if we leave.

• KSU
• ISU
• TTU
• TCU
• Baylor
• Houston
• UCF
• Cincinnati
• SMU
• OSU
• WVU

There is a future if enough schools want to stay.

If Bob Bowlsby was a good commissioner, the Big 12 would be calling up Arizona, Arizona St., Utah, and Colorado along with Houston, SMU, Cincinnati, and UCF to expand as much as possible regardless of what KU, ISU, and WVU do.

The benefits for the PAC schools would be better exposure instead of the "PAC 12 After Dark" time slots which would be help recruiting and marketing. Without OU and Texas, the Big 12 would have to add Houston and SMU to keep asuch of a presence in those two cities as possible. Cincy is a program that would likely step up the way TCU did after joining and would give WVU a regional team. UCF is a strong program, and having a school on an island isn't something that's an issue for the Big 12 considering WVU's situation. Memphis would probably be a a back up plan for UCF if geography is a factor.

@BeddieKU23 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Its over OU, Texas pulling out. Whether it happens before 2025 is going to be hotly decided

well If Texas & Oklahoma wanna pay their 80 million each then we will see them in the SEC by 2022. - Which probably they will cause of the SE has mentioned would be worth it for sure.

@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

I personally think the B12 stays alive - even if we leave.

• KSU
• ISU
• TTU
• TCU
• Baylor
• Houston
• UCF
• Cincinnati
• SMU
• OSU
• WVU

There is a future if enough schools want to stay.

I don't see West Virginia - -more apt to go back and be in the ACC

Keep us in the above list and add Boise State, BYU, Colorado and Colorado State, and/or Arizona and Arizona State

Can confirm KU has no interest in extending its GoR with the Big 12 at this time.

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Can confirm KU has no interest in extending its GoR with the Big 12 at this time.

What is GoR Farmer ? - -little thick here lol

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Can confirm KU has no interest in extending its GoR with the Big 12 at this time.

What is GoR Farmer ? - -little thick here lol

Lol no worries my dude. It’s the grant of rights, so us signing over our tv deals to the league because we’re all more valuable together than individually

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Can confirm KU has no interest in extending its GoR with the Big 12 at this time.

What is GoR Farmer ? - -little thick here lol

Lol no worries my dude. It’s the grant of rights, so us signing over our tv deals to the league because we’re all more valuable together than individually

So I guess what your saying then is that KU also has no intention or want to renew after current runs out. More or less just dissolve the Big 12 and look elsewhere ? - -Is that right ? Or no saying they want the Big 12 to band together ? - this crap is just I dunnoa. Personally I almost feel like saying screw it and everyone ttry and find new desginations

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

If Bob Bowlsby was a good commissioner, the Big 12 would be calling up Arizona, Arizona St., Utah, and Colorado along with Houston, SMU, Cincinnati, and UCF to expand as much as possible regardless of what KU, ISU, and WVU do.

With the Arizona schools in the Pacific Time zone for most of the basketball season, that would make it tough for them to move to an earlier time slot even if they were to switch conferences. They really can't start games at 5PM local time.

Utah and Colorado could work, but only if WVU leaves for the ACC. I just don't know how a college conference stretches across three time zones and makes that work.

I think there is an opportunity to expand east, but it is dependent on landing schools like Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, perhaps Marshall and others.

The Big 12 could survive, but probably not at the P5 level.

@justanotherfan said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

If Bob Bowlsby was a good commissioner, the Big 12 would be calling up Arizona, Arizona St., Utah, and Colorado along with Houston, SMU, Cincinnati, and UCF to expand as much as possible regardless of what KU, ISU, and WVU do.

With the Arizona schools in the Pacific Time zone for most of the basketball season, that would make it tough for them to move to an earlier time slot even if they were to switch conferences. They really can't start games at 5PM local time.

Utah and Colorado could work, but only if WVU leaves for the ACC. I just don't know how a college conference stretches across three time zones and makes that work.

I think there is an opportunity to expand east, but it is dependent on landing schools like Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, perhaps Marshall and others.

The Big 12 could survive, but probably not at the P5 level.

It's actually not difficult to schedule Arizona schools in midweek games. Big Monday games start at 8pm Central Time which is 6pm in Arizona. That's genuinely not an issue in basketball and when most national Big 12 games air during the week.

As for travel, if you expand, you expand to 16 and set up 4 divisions with 4 teams. Let's say for example a 16 team Big 12 (minus Texas, OU, KU, and ISU) those divisions could look like:

Arizona, Arizona St., Utah, and BYU in a western division.

Baylor, Houston, SMU, and TCU in a southern division.

Texas Tech, OSU, KSU, and Colorado in a northern division.

WVU, Cincy, UCF, USF/Memphis in an eastern division.

In football for example, you'd play your division every year (3 games) and 2 teams from the other divisions (6 games) for a 9 game schedule. For eastern and western division teams, that'd be one road trip a year out west.

In sports like basketball, with a 16 team conference, you'd play your division teams twice and everyone else once so that'd be two trips per year across multiple timezones for the east and west teams.

In some of the smaller Olympic sports, allow teams associate memberships in other leagues to reduce travel costs or just make an unbalanced schedule where an easy or west team is only traveling east or west once per season max since not ever school competes in every sport.

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Can confirm KU has no interest in extending its GoR with the Big 12 at this time.

What is GoR Farmer ? - -little thick here lol

Lol no worries my dude. It’s the grant of rights, so us signing over our tv deals to the league because we’re all more valuable together than individually

So I guess what your saying then is that KU also has no intention or want to renew after current runs out. More or less just dissolve the Big 12 and look elsewhere ? - -Is that right ? Or no saying they want the Big 12 to band together ? - this crap is just I dunnoa. Personally I almost feel like saying screw it and everyone ttry and find new desginations

My impression from KU is plan A) B1G plan B) ACC plan C) pray

listening to regional sports talk right now. They say that 4 years is laughable , saying no way will Oklahoma & Texas stay in the Big 12 till 2025 & I agree - -no way this thing runs it's course. - -SEC willing to help pay their buy out no problems. Better Scenario more then likely Oklahoma & Texas WILL BE playing ball in the SEC in 2022 - -they don't give a crap about giving any 18 month notice here again any penality face SEC will step in and help out.

They also saying NO WAY was Bowlsby in total dark about these going on's - He knew - -no way did he not know something about this . - -Think quite possibly that KU ends up in the Big 10 not feeeling quite as well about that now as I was yesterday but hope that it turns out that way

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

listening to regional sports talk right now. They say that 4 years is laughable , saying no way will Oklahoma & Texas stay in the Big 12 till 2025 & I agree - -no way this thing runs it's course. - -SEC willing to help pay their buy out no problems. Better Scenario more then likely Oklahoma & Texas WILL BE playing ball in the SEC in 2022 - -they don't give a crap about giving any 18 month notice here again any penality face SEC will step in and help out.

They also saying NO WAY was Bowlsby in total dark about these going on's - He knew - -no way did he not know something about this . - -Think quite possibly that KU ends up in the Big 10 not feeeling quite as well about that now as I was yesterday but hope that it turns out that way

I completely believe Bowlsby was totally in the dark given his last handling of issues. Bowlsby was probably 4th out of 5 among the P5 commissioners and that's only because of what Larry Scott did to the PAC in making them completely irrelevant and leaving them in a position where there's speculation about the Big 12 raiding them.

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Well, we are "out"....the question is just where we are going to be "in". If it is the "Big XII" (or other non-P conference) we are going to be on the stepping stone to death....be it slow or fast depending on where we land. If we don't make the B1G or the SEC our athletic programs are going to take a MAJOR hit.....to the tune of as much as $30M PER YEAR!! I certainly can't write a check to cover that! Can you? The people over on KU Sports seem to think that we're going to be "OK".......I don't know if they are in denial or really just don't understand what college sports have become.....a BIG BUSINESS. And, in BIG BUSINESS, the "little guy" (read: Non P Conferences) really doesn't seem to have much of a chance. Not only would we not have a plate at the table, we wouldn't have a table!! Not trying to be an alarmist, but with I think no more than a 50-50 chance for landing in the B1G and even less for the SEC, I hope our new AD is in 24/7 mode!

@ICTJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Well, we are "out"....the question is just where we are going to be "in". If it is the "Big XII" (or other non-P conference) we are going to be on the stepping stone to death....be it slow or fast depending on where we land. If we don't make the B1G or the SEC our athletic programs are going to take a MAJOR hit.....to the tune of as much as $30M PER YEAR!! I certainly can't write a check to cover that! Can you? The people over on KU Sports seem to think that we're going to be "OK".......I don't know if they are in denial or really just don't understand what college sports have become.....a BIG BUSINESS. And, in BIG BUSINESS, the "little guy" (read: Non P Conferences) really doesn't seem to have much of a chance. Not only would we not have a plate at the table, we wouldn't have a table!! Not trying to be an alarmist, but with I think no more than a 50-50 chance for landing in the B1G and even less for the SEC, I hope our new AD is in 24/7 mode!

Goff isn’t really on this issue. Girod however…

There’s significant interest from B1G Presidents in adding KU. Nobody knows if it’ll happen or not, but looks good as of 9:54 PM 7/26

@ICTJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Well, we are "out"....the question is just where we are going to be "in". If it is the "Big XII" (or other non-P conference) we are going to be on the stepping stone to death....be it slow or fast depending on where we land. If we don't make the B1G or the SEC our athletic programs are going to take a MAJOR hit.....to the tune of as much as $30M PER YEAR!! I certainly can't write a check to cover that! Can you? The people over on KU Sports seem to think that we're going to be "OK".......I don't know if they are in denial or really just don't understand what college sports have become.....a BIG BUSINESS. And, in BIG BUSINESS, the "little guy" (read: Non P Conferences) really doesn't seem to have much of a chance. Not only would we not have a plate at the table, we wouldn't have a table!! Not trying to be an alarmist, but with I think no more than a 50-50 chance for landing in the B1G and even less for the SEC, I hope our new AD is in 24/7 mode!

Oh agree for the most part. - -I think NO CHANCE for the SEC , don't think the powers to be are even digging into that possibility. Which leaves the Big 10 - - The Pac 12 - - or the ACC. - -I to think it's looking like right now we are a 50/50 with the Big 10

Actually, it seems that there is some "interest" in KU in the SEC. They seem to foresee that the NCAA will get phased out of the basketball tournament (whether that is realistic or not) which would make BB schools attractive. More surprisingly, there seems to be some sympathy to making Missouri more "comfortable" in the SEC by having KU there as well and again somewhat surprisingly, there is some talk of not only of the KU/MU rivalry but also a KU/UK rivalry as well. Also, the AAU connection has been commented on favorably. Again, I don't forsee a SEC invitation forthcoming but interesting that there is even some positive interest, though admittedly it is comments on "fan boards" which of course have MAYBE 0.000000000001% influence!

I read in the hutch paper the board of regents has to agree.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

I read in the hutch paper the board of regents has to agree.

This is correct. And they will; just a rubber stamp.

@FarmerJayhawk won’t tie us to KSU?

@Crimsonorblue22 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk won’t tie us to KSU?

Absolutely not. KBOR will let each school do what’s best.

@ICTJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Actually, it seems that there is some "interest" in KU in the SEC. They seem to foresee that the NCAA will get phased out of the basketball tournament (whether that is realistic or not) which would make BB schools attractive. More surprisingly, there seems to be some sympathy to making Missouri more "comfortable" in the SEC by having KU there as well and again somewhat surprisingly, there is some talk of not only of the KU/MU rivalry but also a KU/UK rivalry as well. Also, the AAU connection has been commented on favorably. Again, I don't fore see a SEC invitation forthcoming but interesting that there is even some positive interest, though admittedly it is comments on "fan boards" which of course have MAYBE 0.000000000001% influence!

sure appreciate your post and no dis-respect meant at all. I'm sure your right on the fan boards, they like to babble lol. - -But just my thoughts opinion , just don't think there is ANY chance of the SEC as a landing spot if the big 12 dissolves -I think it will either be the Big 10 OR the Pac 12

OK , Question. - So OU & Texas headed to the SEC. So how long before the Big 12 dissolves ? /falls apart. - - Do we stick around till the Contract expires ? - - Does KU pay buyout and bolt also - -OU Texas playing in SEC in 2022 ? - KU also in new Conference in 2022 ? - -all legit questions.

My thoughts , OU & Texas in the SEC playing in 2022 - - League dissolves by then also - - KU in new conference by 2022 I'm just not that sure that the Big 10 is gonna take us.

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

OK , Question. - So OU & Texas headed to the SEC. So how long before the Big 12 dissolves ? /falls apart. - - Do we stick around till the Contract expires ? - - Does KU pay buyout and bolt also - -OU Texas playing in SEC in 2022 ? - KU also in new Conference in 2022 ? - -all legit questions.

My thoughts , OU & Texas in the SEC playing in 2022 - - League dissolves by then also - - KU in new conference by 2022 I'm just not that sure that the Big 10 is gonna take us.

Texas and OU will like be in the conference until 2023. Right now, Texas and OU have stated their intent to play out the GoR. There's also an 18 month notice which means the earliest Texas and OU cod leave is January 2023. There would only be 2 year left between then and when the GoR expires so I would guess OU and Texas leave in July of 2023 and pay whatever they need to at that point.

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@ICTJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Actually, it seems that there is some "interest" in KU in the SEC. They seem to foresee that the NCAA will get phased out of the basketball tournament (whether that is realistic or not) which would make BB schools attractive. More surprisingly, there seems to be some sympathy to making Missouri more "comfortable" in the SEC by having KU there as well and again somewhat surprisingly, there is some talk of not only of the KU/MU rivalry but also a KU/UK rivalry as well. Also, the AAU connection has been commented on favorably. Again, I don't fore see a SEC invitation forthcoming but interesting that there is even some positive interest, though admittedly it is comments on "fan boards" which of course have MAYBE 0.000000000001% influence!

sure appreciate your post and no dis-respect meant at all. I'm sure your right on the fan boards, they like to babble lol. - -But just my thoughts opinion , just don't think there is ANY chance of the SEC as a landing spot if the big 12 dissolves -I think it will either be the Big 10 OR the Pac 12

The ACC would be a more likely landing spot than that PAC 12 at this point. That's also where I'm guessing the rest of the Big 12 schools will attempt to go because there's a better chance of them getting into the ACC than the PAC 12.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

OK , Question. - So OU & Texas headed to the SEC. So how long before the Big 12 dissolves ? /falls apart. - - Do we stick around till the Contract expires ? - - Does KU pay buyout and bolt also - -OU Texas playing in SEC in 2022 ? - KU also in new Conference in 2022 ? - -all legit questions.

My thoughts , OU & Texas in the SEC playing in 2022 - - League dissolves by then also - - KU in new conference by 2022 I'm just not that sure that the Big 10 is gonna take us.

Texas and OU will like be in the conference until 2023. Right now, Texas and OU have stated their intent to play out the GoR. There's also an 18 month notice which means the earliest Texas and OU cod leave is January 2023. There would only be 2 year left between then and when the GoR expires so I would guess OU and Texas leave in July of 2023 and pay whatever they need to at that point.

Maybe so , but yet there is a very good chance the Big 12 dissolves before 2023 , so they won't have to worry about the 18 month. With Texas and OU going to the SEC and that's a done deal - -these other Schools are not going to want to sit around and ride the lame horse. These other Schools are all going to want and get their own issues taken care of they aren't going to want and sit around until 2025 or even 2023 If these schools can get into other Conferences. I don't thin there wil be a Big 12 in 20232 , I also strongly feel Texas & Oklahoma will be playing in the SEC in 2022 from what I hear

@FarmerJayhawk Good. We should have no interest in trying to be part of a weak conference. We need to move on...

@Texas-Hawk-10 my guess? Several schools will join the WAC, maybe one to the Pac12 and a couple to the ACC, KU and Iowa State to the soon to be renamed thing that is currently called the Big10. Don't forget, despite our sucky football program, KU is third in conference revenue behind only Texas and Oklahoma - Big10 bound we are.

A&M a week ago, “WE’RE GOING TO KILL THIS!!”

A&M today, “lol jk we like monies” https://247sports.com/Article/Texas-AM-Board-of-Regents-votes-to-support-SEC-expansion-Oklahoma-Sooners-Longhorns-big-12-168412847/ ↗

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@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

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SURPRISE

Id be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous…

This made me laugh

Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby accused ESPN of encouraging other conferences to pick apart the league so Texas and Oklahoma can move to the Southeastern Conference more quickly and without paying a massive buyout.

The claims in the letter have no merit," ESPN said in a statement.

Talk about getting caught with your pants down Bowlsby

@Kcmatt7

Change will suck that's for sure.

@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Id be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous…

Where's @stupidmichael when you need him?

@tis4tim said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Id be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous…

Where's @stupidmichael when you need him?

He realigned with another Board. He ignored the unwritten rule requiring a profane posting announcing his departure due to people saying things he didn't like.*

*All untrue. Have no idea!

@tis4tim said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Id be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous…

Where's @stupidmichael when you need him?

Scared himself to death?

@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Id be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous…

Anyone who isn’t is either ignorant or lying 😳

Anybody read Girods letter?

@Crimsonorblue22 yeah, I thought he hit mostly the right notes. Didn't say much of anything and left the door WIDE OPEN to leaving the Big 12 as soon as we're able.

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Id be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous…

Anyone who isn’t is either ignorant or lying 😳

It certainly gives us an excuse to displace our worries about the Delta variant, our political upheaval, and whether a big asteroid will strike the earth within 4 million years...

@FarmerJayhawk you think we have a plan ready to go if they jump ship any time? Do you think Girod wants us to stay with the leftovers?

@Crimsonorblue22 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk you think we have a plan ready to go if they jump ship any time? Do you think Girod wants us to stay with the leftovers?

My strong sense is they'll jump on the first offer among ACC, PAC, or B1G. And all else equal, B1G is preferred. I think his comments about athletics budgets in G5 type money were really revealing. The Big 12's payout sans OU/UT (no matter which G5's they add) would be a fraction of our current payout, and Girod knows we have to avoid that scenario if at all possible.

Officially official. 25-26 wink wink 🐦 View Tweet?s=20

they say start in 2025. - - I don't think other memebers now that we know for sure , I don't think the remaining Schools are going to wait until 2025. I think the league dissolves BEFORE then.
UNLESS the remaining members go out aggressively and try to add 2 teams 4 teams BEFORE OU & Texas leaves - whatever the case I just can't see these others staying pat.

We know if W Virginia gets any interest from the ACC - - their gone. - can't even be sure that if some of these other Schools get invites that they won't both - -this is now a lame Duck league. I'd rather get this over with /setteled sooner then later. -Our AD and who ever needs to get aggressive and not sit on their hands and get caught with their pants down

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

they say start in 2025. - - I don't think other memebers now that we know for sure , I don't think the remaining Schools are going to wait until 2025. I think the league dissolves BEFORE then.
UNLESS the remaining members go out aggressively and try to add 2 teams 4 teams BEFORE OU & Texas leaves - whatever the case I just can't see these others staying pat.

We know if W Virginia gets any interest from the ACC - - their gone. - can't even be sure that if some of these other Schools get invites that they won't both - -this is now a lame Duck league. I'd rather get this over with /setteled sooner then later. -Our AD and who ever needs to get aggressive and not sit on their hands and get caught with their pants down

They absolutely will not wait until 2025 to leave. Just saying the right things until they can get away for really cheap.

Also, Strong Hall feels VERY good they'll land in either the B1G or ACC. If I were a betting man, I'd put a couple bucks on the ACC. But scenarios definitely exist for both depending on TV deals.

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Also, Strong Hall feels VERY good they'll land in either the B1G or ACC. If I were a betting man, I'd put a couple bucks on the ACC. But scenarios definitely exist for both depending on TV deals.

Who we talking here Farmer ? - -We talking about possibly KU to the ACC OR B1G - or are we talking West Virginia ?

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Also, Strong Hall feels VERY good they'll land in either the B1G or ACC. If I were a betting man, I'd put a couple bucks on the ACC. But scenarios definitely exist for both depending on TV deals.

Who we talking here Farmer ? - -We talking about possibly KU to the ACC OR B1G - or are we talking West Virginia ?

Your Kansas Jayhawks! 0% chance WVU gets even a sniff from the B1G. Academics are not good

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Also, Strong Hall feels VERY good they’ll land in either the B1G or ACC. If I were a betting man, I’d put a couple bucks on the ACC. But scenarios definitely exist for both depending on TV deals.

Read yesterday that the AAC (American Athletic) was interested in inviting the remaining 8 Big 12 teams. Any credence to that or is everyone just throwing out stuff to get some press?

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Also, Strong Hall feels VERY good they'll land in either the B1G or ACC. If I were a betting man, I'd put a couple bucks on the ACC. But scenarios definitely exist for both depending on TV deals.

Who we talking here Farmer ? - -We talking about possibly KU to the ACC OR B1G - or are we talking West Virginia ?

Your Kansas Jayhawks! 0% chance WVU gets even a sniff from the B1G. Academics are not good

You still thinking the Big 10 for KU ?

@tis4tim said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Also, Strong Hall feels VERY good they’ll land in either the B1G or ACC. If I were a betting man, I’d put a couple bucks on the ACC. But scenarios definitely exist for both depending on TV deals.

Read yesterday that the AAC (American Athletic) was interested in inviting the remaining 8 Big 12 teams. Any credence to that or is everyone just throwing out stuff to get some press?

The AAC will end up taking whatever Big 12 schools don't end up in another P5. KSU seems like the safest pick to end up in the AAC (good news for Wichita St. basketball). I also think there's a decent chance WVU ends up in the AAC considering how many times the ACC has rejected them despite WVU being a pretty natural fit in the conference athletically. Baylor may end up getting screwed as well in all this and forced into the AAC, but they're a top academic school on the Big 12 (right behind Texas) and they have good to great athletics and supposedly a top half of the league athletic budget, but since it's a private school they don't have to disclose that information.

I think Texas Tech, Oklahoma St., and TCU have solid chances of ended up still in a P5.

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Also, Strong Hall feels VERY good they'll land in either the B1G or ACC. If I were a betting man, I'd put a couple bucks on the ACC. But scenarios definitely exist for both depending on TV deals.

Who we talking here Farmer ? - -We talking about possibly KU to the ACC OR B1G - or are we talking West Virginia ?

Your Kansas Jayhawks! 0% chance WVU gets even a sniff from the B1G. Academics are not good

You still thinking the Big 10 for KU ?

ACC or Big Ten. I believe whichever decides to jump in the expansion pool first invites KU.

@FarmerJayhawk :folded_hands:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Also, Strong Hall feels VERY good they'll land in either the B1G or ACC. If I were a betting man, I'd put a couple bucks on the ACC. But scenarios definitely exist for both depending on TV deals.

Who we talking here Farmer ? - -We talking about possibly KU to the ACC OR B1G - or are we talking West Virginia ?

Your Kansas Jayhawks! 0% chance WVU gets even a sniff from the B1G. Academics are not good

You still thinking the Big 10 for KU ?

ACC or Big Ten. I believe whichever decides to jump in the expansion pool first invites KU.

That's my concern........what if neither decides to expand?

@ICThawk The expectation seems to be premised in the idea that to compete with the SEC for tv money, other conferences will expand, likely to 16 teams. That number offers possibly more rounds of conference playoffs, as well as the chance to create 2 geographical divisions that help reduce travel problems for the teams at the far edges. I have seen pods of 4 mentioned, too. Theoretically, expanding the teams also will provide inroads into untapped tv markets like KC (plus, you know, the real biggies, like Topeka, Hays, etc)

Dunno if those expectations are valid. KU's weakness in fb may be fatal, but on the other hand the Big Ten may think that giving KU new areas to gin up interest and recruit in could resurrect fb in Lawrence (no huge 4-school Texas based anchor dragging us down).

@ICThawk 🤮🙏🤯🤬

@mayjay lol

@ICThawk A lot can change over the next few years. I think B12 schools need to play hardball with OU and UT about that buyout.

KU absolutely needs to take a couple of steps in the right direction with the Football program. They don't need to be Top 25 good, but they need to be good enough that KC area people want to watch.

@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@ICThawk A lot can change over the next few years. I think B12 schools need to play hardball with OU and UT about that buyout.

KU absolutely needs to take a couple of steps in the right direction with the Football program. They don't need to be Top 25 good, but they need to be good enough that KC area people want to watch.

As pissed off at ESPN as Bowlsby is, I fully expect him to make every effort to hold OU and Texas until 2025 just to piss off ESPN.

This round of realignment is different, especially for the Big 10 in that cable sports package subscription numbers are going to less and less relevant moving forward because of cord cutting. The future is going to be digital streaming and KU is in great position in that regard. Jayhawk TV and KU Athletics put out a lot of quality online content and that's going to make KU much more marketable to the B10 despite the status of football.

This is what Girod was talking about re: the future of the NCAA. Decentralizing power to the leagues sets the stage for an eventual breakaway. 🐦 View Tweet?s=21

Just read this article written by Grey Papke. States that the Pac 12 Commissioner is open to expansion and adding possibly remaining schools or schools from Big 12. - - Saying he has received a lot of incoming calls about joining the league.

I guess Big 12 leadership has even tossed around considered about purposing a merger between the Pac 12 & the Big 12 - - Yippee

@mayjay 😂

@FarmerJayhawk If we were to join the ACC, talk about some ready made basketball rivalries. I think that we're more likely to join the 10 though.

Some scuttlebutt KU to the B1G will be done by the end of the week. I'm taking it with a Hutch Salt Mine sized grain of salt.

@FarmerJayhawk thx for the shout out! Ever been there?

@Crimsonorblue22 I haven't! I did the Cosmosphere a couple times which was really cool. It's on my bucket list though!

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Some scuttlebutt KU to the B1G will be done by the end of the week. I'm taking it with a Hutch Salt Mine sized grain of salt.

Enough to make you go Hmmmmmmm though huh Famer ? - You know & I know we ( KU ) can't afford to just sit back and be passive on this. This thing is REAL - - very REAL , and we sure don't want to be caught with our pants down. - - The B1G is more likely then not our best option. Geographically wise , and IF this is true let's just hope we don't have to match up against the Ohio States - the Michigan's to much in football lol. - -I think Coach Leipold will be fine BUT let's be honest having to play those guys and try to be competitive at this point could be ugly - - -real ugly, which in turn could very well have that trickle down effect on the team Moral wise/ confidence wise.

Basketball Wise - - psssst please right - -we will match up with anybody in the B1G basketball wise. would make for some very entertaining games. - -We shall see, I myself think this is ALL going to snowball very quickly. - I just do not think there is any chance in hell this league is still around till 2025. I fully believe that OU & Texas will be playing SEC in 2022 - - cause I think this league will be gone by 2022. just my thoughts. - - the Big 12 days are numbered and they are little numbers -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer67 agree on all points. The B1G West games would be fun: Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska(!), Wisconsin, etc.

@FarmerJayhawk so this would be when the big 12 breaks up?

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@jayballer67 agree on all points. The B1G West games would be fun: Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska(!), Wisconsin, etc.

Would the Big 10 keep it to two division split or would they consider doing 4 team pods?

@Crimsonorblue22 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk thx for the shout out! Ever been there?

Dirty nasty Hutch though. :astonished_face:

@BShark oh, I forgot!

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@jayballer67 agree on all points. The B1G West games would be fun: Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska(!), Wisconsin, etc.

Oh ya I could see that. Would be nice - - very interesting/entertaining. I'm ready/already. - Ready to just get this behind us and settle in. Hopefully this is what it comes to , the BiG accepting us into the conference.

Now here is something to mull over in your mind Farmer - -see and hear your thoughts. - It's been widely said/talked about the most common teams from the Big 12 that would land in the B1G would be KU & Iowa State. - -KU strictly on the Basketball side would be our acceptence to the League & Iowa State because of their Football - I get that , HOWEVER, got to thinking some , now I could be totally off on this but what IF it was KU & Oklahoma State ? - - I actually think Okie State in the long run just might be a better fit then Iowa State. - - Why / , good question it's just that we know Okie State has a Solid football program always competitive good at times and in the past very good. - Plus their basketball program agree not any super power but yet not really a Dog either -I would say average level. Let's face it Iowa State flat stunk these last couple of years. Just wondering if the B1G might not want to look at them even ore then Iowa State? - seems like might be more beneficial possibly for them wouldn't it - - -or not lol what ya think?

@Crimsonorblue22 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk so this would be when the big 12 breaks up?

And the Big 12 is breaking up sooner - - -- then later

@Crimsonorblue22 yes. Theory being the more teams that leave or at least accept invites to other leagues, the faster the Big 12 goes belly up and schools can have a cleaner break. Now is that 2022? 23? I don't know, but that seems to be where things are headed.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I'd think it depends on if they go to 16 immediately and who #16 is. If it's Colorado or Virginia, pods make a lot of sense. If they stay at 15, just add us to the West and be done with it.

@jayballer67 I would be floored if either OSU or ISU ended up in the B1G. OSU isn't an AAU member, and I think probably Notre Dame is the only non-AAU school that the B1G would invite as of now. ISU doesn't really add much. Iowa would hate it and they don't add a lot in terms of consistent success to the league.

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@jayballer67 agree on all points. The B1G West games would be fun: Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska(!), Wisconsin, etc.

Oh ya I could see that. Would be nice - - very interesting/entertaining. I'm ready/already. - Ready to just get this behind us and settle in. Hopefully this is what it comes to , the BiG accepting us into the conference.

Now here is something to mull over in your mind Farmer - -see and hear your thoughts. - It's been widely said/talked about the most common teams from the Big 12 that would land in the B1G would be KU & Iowa State. - -KU strictly on the Basketball side would be our acceptence to the League & Iowa State because of their Football - I get that , HOWEVER, got to thinking some , now I could be totally off on this but what IF it was KU & Oklahoma State ? - - I actually think Okie State in the long run just might be a better fit then Iowa State. - - Why / , good question it's just that we know Okie State has a Solid football program always competitive good at times and in the past very good. - Plus their basketball program agree not any super power but yet not really a Dog either -I would say average level. Let's face it Iowa State flat stunk these last couple of years. Just wondering if the B1G might not want to look at them even ore then Iowa State? - seems like might be more beneficial possibly for them wouldn't it - - -or not lol what ya think?

Oklahoma St. doesn't fit the academic profile of the Big 10. KU and ISU are the two B12 teams connected to the B10 right now because those are the two schools that fit the academic profile the B10 looks for in potential schools.

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Some scuttlebutt KU to the B1G will be done by the end of the week. I'm taking it with a Hutch Salt Mine sized grain of salt.

Are we bringing a hot date or is it just us going?

@KirkIsMyHinrich Adding KU and Notre Dame would be pretty much a home run for the B1G. Without adding someone like Notre Dame, the B1G can sit back and wait it out. I did see where someone mentioned a KU/MU package to the B1G, and at first I thought it kinda ridiculous, but honestly it’s not that crazy. Both AAU and geographically it makes sense. It would open up another spot in the SEC for OSU or whoever fits best for them. Personally, MU can suck it, but anything facilitates our move to the B1G, I’m down.

PAC-12 Merger talks happening...

@Kcmatt7 with us?

@Crimsonorblue22 Yes B12 P12 merger

@Kcmatt7 Ku included in that, hmmmm

Ya I posted about 3 days ago that the Big 2 upper ups were talking about possibility of talking of a merger with the Pac 12

Ok this has gone from a wisp of smoke to a full brush fire in the last day+ (while I'm grading finals! A holes) and we're gonna be fine. I expect at minimum KU announcing we're not going to sign an extended GoR. At most we announce we're headed to the B1G in 2025.

@FarmerJayhawk That's good news, if true. I have heard scuttlebutt about a possible Big12/Pac alliance. That would be fine, as long as we are not part of it. Not onboard Pac12 or AAC.

I’m cool with a PAC-12 and B12 Merger. And KU being apart if it if that is what happens.

Just don’t want to be in the AAC or outside looking in somehow

@Marco I think we take the first power offer to come. Can't risk getting left in the cold.

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Roger Marshall wants a federal investigation

@Crimsonorblue22 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

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Roger Marshall wants a federal investigation

What a clown. Glad Senator Karen wants to talk to the manager at Disney instead of doing his actual job.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

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Roger Marshall wants a federal investigation

As much as I'd like to see an investigation because I don't doubt ESPN has been tampering with the Big 12 behind the scenes since at least 2016 when they rejected the Big 12's consideration to expand, that's not the congress's job to investigate. Maybe the FCC or SEC (not the athletic conference SEC) would have interest, but there'd have to be some serious evidence made public ahead of time to trigger an investigation.

CJ’s piece here is great https://theathletic.com/2752799/2021/08/04/whats-the-conference-affiliation-matter-with-kansas-jayhawks-bill-self-hope-hoops-brand-ensures-soft-landing/?source=user_shared_article ↗

Money quote, “You’re going to find that Kansas and (Kentucky) are off the charts in viewers, and then there is everyone else.”

“He added that those are two programs whose numbers are actually competitive with college football.”

So why is this a big deal? The NCAA runs off the NCAA Tournament. Without it, they can’t make ends meet. We’re a key cog in a breakaway strategy. Also, what’s one of the fastest growing industries? Sports gambling. What’s one of the most gambled on sports events? The NCAA Tournament. Conferences will figure out how to monetize it. An alpha like Kansas basketball is very valuable.

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Roger Marshall wants a federal investigation

What a clown. Glad Senator Karen wants to talk to the manager at Disney instead of doing his actual job.

Couldn't agree more (though I do not think he has any idea of what a Senator SHOULD be doing based upon what he has done)!

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Roger Marshall wants a federal investigation

What a clown. Glad Senator Karen wants to talk to the manager at Disney instead of doing his actual job.

Hope he gets dunked on when he runs for Governor. Ugh.

If I didn't live in The Confederacy, I would chuckle nonstop at the idiots in other states' governments. But one difference is that you guys get a mob following several nitwits who make the news because of new stupidities. Our mob and nitwits seldom make news. An occasional intelligent person is what makes news here.

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If I didn't live in The Confederacy, I would chuckle nonstop at the idiots in other states' governments. But one difference is that you guys get a mob following several nitwits who make the news because of new stupidities. Our mob and nitwits seldom make news. An occasional intelligent person is what makes news here.

As an adopted North Carolinian, I feel this SO HARD

Roger sent that letter to Merrick garland to investigate.😂 he’s a lil busy

@FarmerJayhawk Agree.

@FarmerJayhawk boy that would be a pick-up the 10 landing Notre Dame too, wouldn't it? Don't think it's going to happen, but not out of the realm of possibility.

I heard yesterday off a sports program Norte Dame won't be joining the Big 10 - - They can't. They will remain Independent. IF they don't want to be Independent then they are obligated to the ACC this is the only league they could go to. They are already a partial member with the ACC in and compete I think they said in the ACC in 4 sports in the league , they have to joining the ACC if they are not Independent in Football.

Don't shoot the messenger just saying what was said on the program.

Hang onto your butts https://theathletic.com/news/big-ten-pac-12-acc-expected-to-formally-announce-alliance-on-tuesday-sources/kCDEJFjp3qdu ↗

@FarmerJayhawk not us?

Dan Wannstedt says: Ok St and K State to the PAC 12; West Virg to the ACC and Kansas and I State to Big 10. Good lord say it ain't so.

@stoptheflop isn’t that what we want?

I'm still trying to get use to the new reality.

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@FarmerJayhawk not us?

The Big 12 is dead. Long live the Big 12.

@stoptheflop if that comes to pass I will dance around, scream for joy, and throw a party

A contract wasn’t even signed in this alliance thing btw. Totally meaningless marketing ploy

I should have seen a Kansas game in Morgantown while i had the chance. They havent even been Big 12 for a decade.

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Dan Wannstedt says: Ok St and K State to the PAC 12; West Virg to the ACC and Kansas and I State to Big 10. Good lord say it ain't so.

let's hope that turns out to be th case - - we need the Big 10

Saw where the conference is going to be formally reaching out to BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and UCF, perhaps as early as this football season wanting to expand the league to twelve teams.

That info was obviously leaked, which means that those four schools are more likely than not going to accept the invite. It probably also means, just reading between the lines, that OU and Texas have reached an as of yet to be announced buyout agreement with the Big12 on their bolting to the SEC probably after this season or latest after next.