We good.

Dayton has been very bad defending the three point line so you know Bill will hammer it in to Dave (who never passes out). Bodes well for the game in general though.

And Dick Vitale is calling the game today.

I'd like to thank the media for naming Remy B12 preseason player of the year. Ochai took it personally and voila, halftime today of MSU-Baylor they were touting Ochai for National POY!

Don't know if you guys heard but Duke is playing tonight and ESPN needs everyone to watch and cheer for Duke.

@wissox Good thing ESPN told us 5000 times, might not have known.

@wissox

I'm thinking Duke gets spanked... like everyone else the Zags play. Might get some attention from those who think K is the God coach. Few deserves plenty of credit for building a program to national prominence from a non-basketball world.

Gonzaga looks like by far the best team in the country to me. This SHOULD finally be their year.

@BShark We should play Duke mention bingo during the broadcast today

As long as we aren't taking a shot every time.

@BShark

Timme is refreshing to watch in the post. Why aren't more D1 post players this capable? Is it really some kind of magical knowledge? He makes almost all D1 post players look incapable.

@drgnslayr Makes me really sad that KU didn't make a real play for him.

Alright Alright Alright
Let's go #Jayhawks ❤💙

Rock chalk

KSUcks in Austin playing #UT
Was 14-13 KSUcks when I came in to watch us

Hawk To Rock. #CB

Hoping JCL gets more run today, good match-up for him.

Anyone know the last time Dave won a tip?

Agbaji had a dunk with 1 dribble..

@benshawks08 at Oak Hill Academy?

Rebound jeez

If only Dave had hands

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Dayton Game Thread:

Rebound jeez

Dayton is a very good rebounding team and KU is not. Gonna have to make shots today.

Ochai nice

@BShark Sure. But when the ball goes in and out of our hands a bunch of times it's not really because Dayton is a good rebounding team

Ochai!!!

Good job Dave

Wow Dave rebounded. Good job

Duke mention, drink.

@BShark Not trying to die today

🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌

Dave with an impressive block there

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Dayton Game Thread:

@BShark Not trying to die today

Hahaha that wins the day!

THE HAWKS ARE COOKING

@BeddieKU23 coach said it best 🤷‍♀️

@RockChalkinTexas I want to see KSU win that one just so UT can end the season on a 7 game losing streak.

@Texas-Hawk-10 #MeToo

They need to put Obi Toppin in the game.

Remy is showing signs of Remy. Scary sign for the opposition

@KirkIsMyHinrich they can bring in toppin if we get doke.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Dayton Game Thread:

They need to put Obi Toppin in the game.

That game vs Doke was one of the best!

Much like Akinjo with Baylor, if Remy just focuses on being a facilitator then Kansas becomes a lot better. We have plenty of offense

First mention of the year calling it Phog Allen instead of Allen Field House

That's not a foul on dave.

Told ya 2#

Scoring is easy so far.

Hmm, Dave missed a shot

CB has improved his game

I don’t know about that goaltend

These refs suck

I like the subs

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Dayton Game Thread:

I like the subs

3 non-shooters in the game tho

Can this lineup score? Don’t like the lineup at all

Odd lineup

@BShark I thought he would pull Harris ya

Back to back games against Gaels for my teams. Badgers beat St. Mary's the other day.

@Kcmatt7 no

Just saying, Iona would be a tough matchup.

Really Mitch

@wissox Oops, we're not playing Iona, I was just reading about them! But we could.

Remy ready to play.

Seen enough of Mitch today

That's a bad call against Dayton

senior moment

Nope this lineup needs a change

A team playing 2 PGs should be dusting the press for easy buckets

Come on Mitch! Grown ass man picking on that kid. (My wife’s line)

And we are letting their defense dictate what we are doing. Zero aggressiveness that past 3 minutes

Hard to have Harris, Mitch, and Bobby in the game at the same time.

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

A team playing 2 PGs should be dusting the press for easy buckets

What Self team ever has??

@BShark Clemence or Wilson at the 5. Anything else is silly. Mitch just isn’t good enough at anything

Weird to see Dayton go on a run when Bill takes 3 of our top players out of the line-up.

Just because we go 10 deep does not mean line changes

Gross, got to listen to a Cubs broadcaster today? Couldn't they have gotten someone better?

@Kcmatt7 fyi, didn't say that I'd play Mitch over a combo of Wilson/Clemence.

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

Just because we go 10 deep does not mean line changes

I want a minimum of 2 of Remy/CB/Och/Jalen out there at the same time.

That looked like the Jalen we know from a year ago… wild shot running out of control

I like beating teams from Ohio except in pro football where I kind of feel like we should beat those teams.

Put Zach in

Can Dick Vitale just shut up and go away? Not interested in his observations about anything, basketball or otherwise.

@approxinfinity lol tell us how you really feel.

@BShark doesn’t seem that difficult…

CB

Not a foul

I like Dicky V Sorry approx!!

Impressive play by CB

@wissox I like him…

I'm glad he's doing okay but I find him annoying

@Kcmatt7 schiambi that is. Not Dickie

Wtf is up with these terrible lob passes

I just hope I still have Dickie Vs mental acuity at that age. He still has his brain at least

Finish that, Wilson

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Wtf is up with these terrible lob passes

Those lobs only work with Doke

Wilson man easy layup for the 3rd time not even close

Jalen still can't make free throws to save his life

Thinking too much

Have to wonder if the plan changes for Wilson mid season. Doesn’t look like he made the big leap like Ochai

REMY IS PLAYING DEFENSE AND REBOUNDING FOLKS

Good strength by Remy

No flow with Dave in. None.

Pull Dave if they’re going zone

Can we see Zach

Our dribble penetration defense is horrendous

Self is looking down the bench

@approxinfinity Dave has fouls, so yes

Refs are supposed to know blue blood contracts require the other team to have more fouls than the blue blood.

Sweet

ZACH ALERT

Lucked out

The back door lob is coming any play now

Pathetic

Ochai don’t float it bro. JUMP and lay it in. You’ve got a 40 inch vert bro.

@Kcmatt7

Yeah I don't understand why we are playing so soft in the lane today

Maybe we see KJ today at this rate

Really wish we’d see Yesufu more. Was the best catch and shoot player in basketball last year.

Dave needs to sit. He kills the offense then finally gets pulled and everyone tries to readjust, get back into a groove.

I don't get nervous until the last minute of the game.

Let's see Zach go up and get one to go in

Dayton has good young talent. If they get the turnovers under control they can be a tournament team (with their early losses I assume they will have to win their conference tournament).

Gotta get points off 2nd chance

We're just chucking 3's

7 turnovers them, 1 us. We're doing something right. Not sure by reading the comments here.

@wissox Braun having a real good game so far.

We should be winning 43-1

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Dayton Game Thread:

We're just chucking 3's

GOOD

Just playing ya'll!

@benshawks08 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@wissox Braun having a real good game so far.

I was serious about him being Hawk To Rock

@benshawks08 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@wissox Braun having a real good game so far.

One of our 3 best players easily. His detractors are weird.

Just use the backboard dude

Soft finish that dunk

Not gonna win the scoring title bricking two FTs

Jesus mitch what is wrong with you

Aaaand that is why you need a Remy Martin type on your team

Omg refs you guys are blind

That's a decent sized contingent from Dayton

8 points on 5 shots in only 10 minutes…

Dayton has shot 14 fts. Only have 16 shots.. Defense needs to step up

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Aaaand that is why you need a Remy Martin type on your team

You got it right! We had no one last couple of years that we could count on, let alone make a bucket!!

@wissox said in Dayton Game Thread:

That's a decent sized contingent from Dayton

They mentioned season tickets were sold out

@BShark said in Dayton Game Thread:

@benshawks08 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@wissox Braun having a real good game so far.

One of our 3 best players easily. His detractors are weird.

He's definitely surprised me with how good he's been so far this season because he was useless way too much last season.

If we rolled legit 10 deep every year I think Self would figure it out. Let’s never have just one perceived 5 again

Why are our guards setting up beyond the NBA 3 pt line? They'd be open at the regular 3 pt line.

Remy. Lol

If Self gave 10 guys run habitually it wouldn’t feel like backsliding when he diminishes Dave’s minutes

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@wissox said in Dayton Game Thread:

That's a decent sized contingent from Dayton

They mentioned season tickets were sold out

There's a reason why the First Four games are in Dayton. That's a great crowd most games and a good sized arena at about 13,500.

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

If we rolled legit 10 deep every year I think Self would figure it out. Let’s never have just one perceived 5 again

Bigs are coming :folded_hands:

@benshawks08 he quietly always does.

There's Yesufu!!

Wouldn't mind giving Yes more time

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Dayton Game Thread:

Wouldn't mind giving Yes more time

Agree

Joe is intriguing

I think he could show more than Harris if given the time

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Dayton Game Thread:

Wouldn't mind giving Yes more time

I love Bobby but over Bobby until he can shoot.

Yes is one starter injury away from going off

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

I think he could show more than Harris if given the time

He's easily better than Dajuan lol

Yesufu needs some pt this game. He's feeling it.

@BShark scoring, sure.

@BShark He is today anyway

@BShark said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

I think he could show more than Harris if given the time

He's easily better than Dajuan lol

Individually on the offensive end probably but not as an overall team player on both sides of the floor.

Weak ass refs

Suck it ref

What a terrible tech

That was just disrespectful to Dayton, lol!

Ball don't lie!

Lol Braun

BALL NO LIE

Love it from CB

He's hanging on the rim so he doesn't land on the other guy, Dick. We know you're cheering for Dayton

trash tech

My DVR screwed up, what was the tech for?

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Dayton Game Thread:

He's hanging on the rim so he doesn't land on the other guy, Dick. We know you're cheering for Dayton

The tech was for the taunting after Braun came down.

@wissox pointing

That's a good T by Braun

@wissox he pointed and yelled on your head at the guy.

@wissox taunting. Pointed at the guy

@Texas-Hawk-10 I know...

@wissox said in Dayton Game Thread:

My DVR screwed up, what was the tech for?

Taunting, Braun was pointing and talking to the Dayton player after.

Mitch is unplayable for the 6th straight yr

By the way, we're going to all foul out of this game at this rate.

It was a bit much, the yelling and pointing. But I'll take it...

KJ time

Och still yet to disappear this year. A good sign.

@approxinfinity It was worth it! That was an awesome play.

@wissox Yes, Bobby, JCL, KJ and Zach take us home

Harris is a Self pet player but we have seen worse pet players.

@wissox and a spark for the team

Make your damn free throws

Yesufu needs to play this game, alot.

I love Harris. Happy he starts, doesn’t need to finish, let the PT fall as it may

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

Yesufu needs to play this game, alot.

Not when he bricks a wide open 3

We gave them 19 FTs. We're lucky they missed 8 of them

I like Harris, agree with you. Good to see Yesufu get a little pt though

Well, still pacing for 90 despite shooting 4/13 from 3 and missing 6 free throws

@BeddieKU23 right. Bad timing lol

Baylor chumped Michigan State..

Dickie V stroking Dayton about the loss of the opportunity to play in the NCAA tourney; not one mention that KU had a pretty decent team too that was denied the opportunity. Jackasses.

If ever I were getting ready to embark on a new career as a head coach, I would just before starting the job in earnest enroll and partake in a two week I'm-a-cool-guy dance class.

Mercy I love it when Christian plays aggressive like he has shown today , couple of sweet flushes.- The half overall ehh , foul to much. Dave is a no show again today what the hell , he has got to get his butt in gear. Again love it when Christian looks to take it to the hole - then other times he has the shot and doesn't even look for it at all- -

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Well, still pacing for 90 despite shooting 4/13 from 3 and missing 6 free throws

Fast game for sure.

11 KU bench points again in the first half. Dayton will wear down in the second half

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

Baylor chumped Michigan State..

just basically spanked that ass. Baylor is really good - -AGAIN, they are no joke. Gonna be a war between KU , Texas & Baylor

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Dayton Game Thread:

We gave them 19 FTs. We're lucky they missed 8 of them

Yeah, interior defense figured to be an issue. They are young and athletic. Dayton needs time but will be good if they keep this core together.

I know only 2nd game but Jalen not showing much yet, I know he will come on need everyone

@BShark I think you already said it. If they can stop turning the ball over they'd be much better. Actually same thing for Michigan St.

They both also suck from the FT line. So many similarities

Braun: 10 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 0 turnovers, 5-7 shooting has easily been our best player today. Remy has also played well

Looking forward to Gonzaga crushing entitled hopes and dreams.

@KirkIsMyHinrich Braun has been solid in every game. Some are saying that he might be thinking of entering the draft after this year. I would recommend he come back for his senior year. Getting ready to do another plate of yesterday's turkey....

@KirkIsMyHinrich Remy still getting yanked for defensive mistakes…

Agbaji should have had 20 at half

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Agbaji should have had 20 at half

Easily lol

@jayballer67 JWill and JCL both not very good today.

Dave with zero awareness

Yep. None. No hands

Catch the ball

Harris passs a wide open 3 to throw a lob into a double team

Attacking the Remy Dave side of the court will be a headache all year.

WHATTTTT

woof

Good pass Braun!

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Harris passs a wide open 3 to throw a lob into a double team

He can't shoot at all, big issue

These refs…

I hate Doug sermon with a passion

Nothing good to say about Dajuan

Alright,, time for some Braun fire

The dude has a knack for making plays...

@BShark last year he was an upgrade at times because he could get in the lane a bit. But we don’t need that this year

Jalen Wilson horrible

What a crappy call. Rewarding someone who snaps their head back with a foul

Wilson had braun for a lob but missed it.

Wilson gave up that last layup. Non effort

🐦 View Tweet

Agbaji back to bricking free ones

Sit Dave please!

Really just killing ourselves

And Dave literally stealing points from his teammates.

This is a get your head out your ass timeout

@benshawks08 yes. I've seen enough! He needs to sit.

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Really just killing ourselves

Yeah...

First half was good, this has been a disastrous 4 minutes. Horrible defense.

Momentum clearly saying this isn't going to end well

@BeddieKU23 and now Mitch

@RockChalkinTexas said in Dayton Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 and now Mitch

Barff

🐦 View Tweet Backfired...

The danger is that Self will see the struggles as a sign he needs to shorten the rotation a la a couple
Other seasons. He doesn’t, he just needs to foster a culture where you play if you are playing well.

Zach, Mitch, Braun, Remy, Ochai for this upcoming stretch please

9-2 run in 3 minutes. They have scored 40 points in the last 15 minutes of play

@Marco dont think you can pair Mitch and Zach

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Wilson gave up that last layup. Non effort

This is still not a good defensive team. Dave is average on his best day, Wilson is still bad, Braun is better but still not good.

Harris and Agbaji are the only top level defenders, but even Agbaji's defense is suffering this year because of how much of the offensive load he's had to carry so far. This is why Self needs to get Remy going on offense, so Agbaji can focus a little bit more in his defense.

@BShark can't be worse

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

Zach, Mitch, Braun, Remy, Ochai for this upcoming stretch please

That is an absolutely shitty defensive line up.

God!

Get Ochai the ball

Thank you, Christian (pun intended)

Such a soft team. Can't even make a layup

I’d like to see Yes back in for a bit. At least he was bringing energy.

Hate having Remy on the bench when we are having trouble on offense.

Ochai and Braun need the ball.

Needs to finish that but nice drive CB

Remy needs in, look for his shot.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Dayton Game Thread:

Needs to finish that but nice drive CB

Problem all day for everyone. Soft soft soft

point blank KU is just flat ass getting outplayed plain and simple

We're good. Although @dynamitehawk would be scared.

Yes, och, Braun, Remy, kj.

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

Ochai and Braun need the ball.

Remy needs the ball right now. Braun is playing soft as shit and not defending right now. His ass needs be sitting on the bench right now. Remy, Harris, Yesufu, Ochai, and Mitch needs to be the line up and tell Remy to go make some plays.

@BeddieKU23 I'm telling you, Dave vamped the flow.

@jayballer67 Terrible first 5 minutes of this half. Haaaate it.

Dave cannot start. Period.

22-17 UT . Stoped KSUcks on 4th and 1

We have missed 8 free throws so no reason to expect these are going in

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

Dave cannot start. Period.

Got off to a good start this game honestly.

We just don’t need to have guys play through their mistakes with this depth.

Dave literally just left his man there

Harris is bad

It’s ok Bill, keep an open mind win or lose.

@BeddieKU23 X10000000000

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Harris is bad

Gotta score that.

Oh man, take him out....

@benshawks08 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Harris is bad

Gotta score that.

He can't thats the problem

Guess they wanna play in the losers bracket

Dave just not playing basic stay between your man and the ball defense

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Harris is bad

Yep, I outlined it earlier. He gets into positions where most guys score and he doesn't even shoot.

Dajuan Dave and Wilson all are nothing burgers right now

KU won't lead again.

We were up by how much? Then Dave came back in.

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@benshawks08 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Harris is bad

Gotta score that.

He can't thats the problem

Except he showed last year he can score on those plays.

I know Clemence and KJ are freshman but Dave isn't it today.

Go Remy.

How is Dave still in after those back to back series?

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Dayton Game Thread:

I know Clemence and KJ are freshman but Dave isn't it today.

Defense would actually be worse with Clemence in right now.

Ye of little faith. 20-2 run coming to a game near you very soon.

@BShark KU won't lead again. Hilarious!

Thank you, Remy.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Dayton Game Thread:

I know Clemence and KJ are freshman but Dave isn't it today.

Defense would actually be worse with Clemence in right now.

He does NOT move his feet on d.

@Texas-Hawk-10 maybe. Dave’s overhelp left the lane unguarded

Wilson…

Hell yeah Remy

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 maybe. Dave’s overhelp left the lane unguarded

Dave at least tries, Clemence is a statue on defense at this point.

Jalen Wilson is such a mental case

Dayton spent their wad coming back from a big deficit. They will fade.

FEED OCH

@Texas-Hawk-10 no, he's not.

Blows my mind we just expect Och to create 25 points but have to feed Dave. Wonder how well Och would do if we actually ran stuff for him

Christian

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 no, he's not.

Yes, Clemence is absolutely shit on defense at this point.

Nice pass Dave

@Texas-Hawk-10 whatever. Like we've had a big sample size.

That was another crappy call that leads to points for them

Dave is so bad

Where was Dave?

yikes

@BeddieKU23 getting absolutely torched in the Pick and Roll

Hahahaha Dave my god

Speaking of people being in a position to score and just not…

Dave's not shit on defense?

Out of bounds but ref points Dayton direction. Guess we'll have to wait til after the commercial to see whose ball it is.

Man.

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

Dave's not shit on defense?

Never been never will

Really stands out after watching the Baylor bigs roll so hard and dunk everything.

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

Man.

Damn Man

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 whatever. Like we've had a big sample size.

There's enough of one to know Clemence is shit on defense at this point because he's still too weak to defend real post players and still gets lost way too easily on switches.

He will get better with experience and time in the weight room, but right now he is KU's worst post defender.

@wissox When Dave went for the swipe he was standing out of bounds. I think that's what the official called.

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

Dave's not shit on defense?

Name ONE KU player that's good on defense at this point - - name me just ONE that's all I ask

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

Dave's not shit on defense?

Never said he was good, all I said Clemence is worse right now.

Dayton shooting 60% from the field. Have to find a way to get them under that

@KirkIsMyHinrich But Dave didn't have the ball!

@jayballer67 Ochai is a good defender. Juan’s pretty good.

This won't be a popular opinion, but I don't like the Wilson effect on this team. I think we had better chemistry before his return.

@wissox No, but he touched the ball when he swiped at it, and he was standing out of bounds.

Dave's the worst defender on the team and its a cliff to the next guy

He has zero defensive awareness guarding anything but his man

@jayballer67 Braun.

@tis4tim agreed but maybe that gets fixed. I mean he has been practicing with the team.

How is it there ball

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Dave's the worst defender on the team and its a cliff to the next guy

Wilson and Clemence are both worse. Dave isn't good, but he at least puts in effort. Wilson and Clemence don't try on defense right now.

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Dayton shooting 60% from the field. Have to find a way to get them under that

They have been great from 2 all year. Big thing is KU isn't hitting threes.

@BeddieKU23 It was discussed above!

Another missed layup

Man so many lay-ups not finished

Remy is the spark

And free-throws. Jeez

@tis4tim said in Dayton Game Thread:

This won't be a popular opinion, but I don't like the Wilson effect on this team. I think we had better chemistry before his return.

So far I concur.

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

@tis4tim agreed but maybe that gets fixed. I mean he has been practicing with the team.

I know: small sample size, but his whole incident was such a disruption so early in the season. Hopefully, he'll turn it around, but I don't see anything improved in his game thus far from last season. I don't have a lot of confidence in his play.

Great d by Remy there

Great d

Bonus won't help

This team lost to Lipscomb by 20

To continue with our cautionary tale discussion, Dave may end up the least successful development job for Self at Kansas. Nobody will blame him though .

Why is anyone surprised this team is still shit on defense? None of the incoming transfers were known as elite defensive players.

Remy

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

To continue with our cautionary tale discussion, Dave may end up the least successful development job for Self at Kansas. Nobody will blame him though .

Landen Lucas says hi.

@wissox said in Dayton Game Thread:

This team lost to Lipscomb by 20

I heard from Dayton fans that they had a bug going around at that time, and I'd bet Dayton is playing a lot harder today, but still no excuse for KU.

Absolute crime Harris has played more than Remy so far today

Can't fn rebound

Save us Remy lol

Good grief that foul

Why is it that every time there is a contested rebound with Dave being involved the ball always goes out of bounds?

Ochai, WTF was that defense!?!?!

HAHAHAHA DAVE

WTF WAS THAT EFFORT OCH?

Vital rooting for Dayton.

Can't rebound

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

Vital rooting for Dayton.

Has been all game.

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

WTF WAS THAT EFFORT OCH?

Olay

Och you gotta make that three

@KirkIsMyHinrich thank you, Agbaji!

I mean what does Self want here. Wilson sits there watching the 3 he contested from out of bounds then the rebound goes directly his direction

I'd foul us too the way we're shooting free throws.

Yikes Jalen sucks at the line so it's not a gain

This is a joke. Can’t guard anyone right now

We have to drive and hit free throws to win this game.

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

I mean what does Self want here. Wilson sits there watching the 3 he contested from out of bounds then the rebound goes directly his direction

He was practicing during that suspension right? Like why is he getting all the playing time when offering nothing on either end.

Playing Jalen today is a negative

9 for 22

game over

Take Harris out.

@benshawks08 I’m baffled with the playing time. Bill is tight.

@BShark Like no team has ever come back from 7 points

No Remy and no Och. Wtf is this lineup?

Mitch might have worse hands then dave

Put Remy and Yesufu in

Has yesefu played this half?

Bill is a joke today

@wissox said in Dayton Game Thread:

@BShark Like no team has ever come back from 7 points

Not with this effort.

these guys are crap today getting bet on the boards - - getting out played just pathetic are you serious ?

Whatever Jalen go pro

Clemence may not be able to guard anyone, but put him in and let him launch some 3's.

We are not losing to these guys.

It's like he wants them to lose.

That was a travel

What a complete mental case Jalen is

See you guys.

Take Harris out. He is too small.

@tis4tim said in Dayton Game Thread:

We are not losing to these guys.

were not ? - -must be watching a different game then the one I'm watching

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Bill is a joke today

He’s flipped his lid watching all his guards refuse to do just that. All reason has left and emotion is ruling the decisions now I guess.

KU got WORKED this half.

@jayballer67 I never said that we wouldn't lose to them. Wilson, Harris and Dave need to sit in this game.

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Bill is a joke today

He's letting his core guys learn a lesson today that should help out later this season.

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

It's like he wants them to lose.

He very well might. If this is the effort on the defensive end he may not want a win.

@jayballer67 said in Dayton Game Thread:

were not ? - -must be watching a different game then the one I’m watching

This is where our upperclassmen assert themselves, calm everyone down and execute. Still lots of time left.

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

@jayballer67 I never said that we wouldn't lose to them. Wilson, Harris and Dave need to sit in this game.

wasn't talking to you

25% from 3, 45% from the FT line.

@BShark said in Dayton Game Thread:

25% from 3, 45% from the FT line.

Shooters shoot.

This game is about effort and KU isn't giving it today.

🙏🙏🙏🙏

You have guys who proved they’re ready to play today. Remy, Yes, CB, Ochai, KJ, Zach or maybe Bobby. JCL coming in from the icebox.

Whatever wide open 3 and bricks

Here we go ...

Cb

Boom!

Harris a spark on the defensive end.

Come on #Jayhawks

Braun!

Harris just lay it up!

Harris is such a wuss.

KSUcks LOST TO UT

It begins ...

Much better effort from CB on defense lately...

Harris got so lucky on both ends.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Dayton Game Thread:

Harris just lay it up!

I was screaming there lol

@BShark said in Dayton Game Thread:

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Dayton Game Thread:

Harris just lay it up!

I was screaming there lol

For real. He had a wide-open lay-up and he throws a behind-the-back pass. lol

Remy

F×CK

Jesus Dave!

Dave sucks

holy fuck dave

Sit Dave!

4 point swing there from 3 missed layups

Then a shit 3

Walk

This game should of NEVER ever been this close

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

Walk

7 steps

Why wait until 5 minutes to start playing D?

Serious...? Who thinks that Dave should start?

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

Serious...? Who thinks that Dave shoukd start?

Nobody but his coach I guess

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Why wait until 5 minutes to start playing D?

Ratings!

Can't leave this possession without points

I'm not going to say bad things about Dave. He's just a kid. I really wish he would play better though

Take Dave out and we win the game.

I mean seriously we should apply so much pressure on D all 40 minutes. We have the depth to do it. Absurd that we are capable of forcing 4 turnovers in 5 possessions like this when we want.

Dayton knows full well they can play with Ku for sure now , all the momentum in the world KU flat -- sloppy

@Marco maybe. We don’t have any really quality rebounders and that’s what we need instead of Dave rn

Coach is talking about Dave being shit.

Time to see what we have in this team.

Remy just jacking up shots

Why do you have Harris start the play like that? Not a threat to score

can we not get a fucking rebound

Dave ends up on the ground every single play

Whatever och

@BeddieKU23 he is horrible, bro.

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Dave ends up on the ground every single play

That didn't look like it was on Dave though, that looked like he was taken out on that play.

Give Remy the ball every damn possession from here on

Need a Braun or Agbaji play.

Boom!

Yesh BABY

Boom!

Double Boom!

A Dave defensive play may have won it, the irony there!

Dave!! Redemption

Lmao. 6 forced turnovers in the last 9 possessions I think

Maybe 7 in 10

Now, D up and this one is ours.

Nice hands, Dave.

Ochai dunk that with two hands or lay it in and then run back on defense. Don't dunk it with your left and showboat. Come on guys

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Maybe 7 in 10

And a bunch of bad shots by dayton

@Kcmatt7 what is this? Defense?

Come on, man. One good play and he's a hero? After weaking the entire game?

12-2 run. I said 20-2. I was a little off, but it's not over yet.

CB has 5 swipes today. Dave has 4

4-19 from 3 btw, yikes

Harris -4 on the floor today. Only starter in the negative.

-10 with Mitch on the floor

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

CB has 5 swipes today. Dave has 4

Boom! And Dave is how tall and plays what position?

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Kcmatt7 what is this? Defense?

The effort has been SO much better recently. This effort all game and it's an easy win. They thought this game was won at the half...

@BShark said in Dayton Game Thread:

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Kcmatt7 what is this? Defense?

The effort has been SO much better recently. This effort all game and it's an easy win. They thought this game was won at the half...

This is the effort that built a 15 point lead in the first half.

Remy +17 in 25 minutes

Shitty Dave D

Gonna have to hit FT

He carried hard on that crossover

And he walks!

Are you kidding?

Fuck you sermon

What the fuck was that Bill?

YOU CAN NOT CALL THAT

Enough of Dave. Period.

@BShark he walked. If not a foul.

That's just the worst call ever

FLOPPPPPPPPPPPP

DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE

D!

Time to bail us out Ochai.

Fuck!

Are you kidding me!

Whatever

Wow.

What ever

deserved tbh

Why the hell was Wilson in on that?

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Why the hell was Wilson in on that?

This is the real question. Why??

Never see a luckier shot then that bullshit

@BShark said in Dayton Game Thread:

deserved tbh

Yep. lol

What do you say after that? Hope we play better next game.

We should have never been in that position

Wiw. Just when Dave had a chance to be an asset... But that's Dave. Bad things - I am not joking around - happen when he is anywhere near the ball.

Shit on Dave's defense all you want, but his effort his always there. Jalen Wilson stood there and watched on that switch before Dave blocked that shot.

Bill lost this game. Remy played 25 minutes and didn’t even touch the ball the last possession.

We for sure earned that loss, there is not ONE good thing we done not fucking one. Dayton is for sure the team that deserved to win this game. - -just a fucking sad display - - WOW - well Bill has got ALOT I mean ALOT of work to do

If the margin is one possession the shittiest basketball team on the planet can win on a lucky day.

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Bill lost this game. Remy played 25 minutes and didn’t even touch the ball the last possession.

Or ochai typical

Wilson olayed 23 minutes and didn’t make a field goal.

So, Dave blocks the shot and it still turns out bad. Maybe should have not tried to swat it into the stands and finessed it like Withey used to do.

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Teachable moments hopefully.

Have a good weekend.

I blame the loss - and I'll stand by it - on Dave. He just kills our offense.

Gonna be a bad weekend now

Oh man.

Man oh man.

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

If the margin is one possession the shittiest basketball team on the planet can win on a lucky day.

well they didn't look like the shittiest team today - we made them lok like Boston - - Lakers who the fuck ever we were just fucking sad display of a ball tem

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Wilson olayed 23 minutes and didn’t make a field goal.

He could have but he's mentally checked out!

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Bill lost this game. Remy played 25 minutes and didn’t even touch the ball the last possession.

No, Bill did not lose this game. The players lost the game because they gave an absolutely shitty effort in the second half. A coach cannot control a player's effort and there was none for the first 15-16 minutes of the second half.

Once he came in and got big minutes, it was alk over.

@Texas-Hawk-10 he can put the right guys on the floor.

Bill definitely lost the game. Harris in at the end is just so Bill. Pound it to Dave when he's been nothing all game. It's just the way it goes

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 he can put the right guys on the floor.

Self cannot control the effort of the players he was putting in the floor. The effort wasn't there in the second half regardless of who was on the floor.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Bill played Dave, Wilson and Dajuan too many minutes.

As frustrated as everyone is right now, remember that these guys are college kids and no one is perfect.

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 he can put the right guys on the floor.

You got it. Bad substitutions, not sitting Dave and Wilson. Wilson hasn't played, but what is Dave's excuse (again)? Harris needed to be yanked too, give Yesufu a little pt. Clemence? Adams?

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Bill definitely lost the game. Harris in at the end is just so Bill. Pound it to Dave when he's been nothing all game. It's just the way it goes

The game was lost when the players gave no effort on either end the first 15 minutes of the second half.

@approxinfinity right. We didn’t play Wilson at the 5 once. Dave saw 26 minutes and only had 5 rebounds and missed 3 bunnies. Remy only played 25 minutes.

Sure our guys shot horribly, but we did plenty to hurt ourselves.

Well Bill didn’t seem broken up about the loss. So maybe neither should we be. Change gonna come

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

I blame the loss - and I'll stand by it - on Dave. He just kills our offense.

Dave sucked - -but it wasn't by FAR just Dave - -this team just flat sucked - -s - -u - -c - -k - -e - -d big time nothing good out of this AT ALL - - there is plenty of blame to pass around not sure but I bet that whipped our ass on the boards the way it looked - - just sloppy sloppy sloppy - -got beat on GOD only knows how many loose balls - - jesus h christ this team looked really bad - this team lost to liscomb for GODS sake

Black Friday is right. Ugh.

Dave cannot start.

@BeddieKU23 absolutely. I’m afraid this will continue through the season. Self will continue to pound the ball inside knowing Dave is no Embiid or Udoka. He has such a fast athletic perimeter oriented team but he refuses to adjust. Crunch time, let’s throw it to Dave instead of Ochai or Remy driving it. His stubbornness may cost us again this year. Frustrating!

@FarSideHawk said in Dayton Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 absolutely. I’m afraid this will continue through the season. Self will continue to pound the ball inside knowing Dave is no Embiid or Udoka. He has such a fast athletic perimeter oriented team but he refuses to adjust. Crunch time, let’s throw it to Dave instead of Ochai or Remy driving it. His stubbornness may cost us again this year. Frustrating!

To the detriment of our team.

For the past two games Dave has played as poorly as I have seen him. I am not sure who should be getting his minutes but at this point he needs more time on the bench.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Dayton Game Thread:

As frustrated as everyone is right now, remember that these guys are college kids and no one is perfect.

I hear what you're saying, but we didn't have to be perfect. 9-21 from FT and 4-19 from 3-point line is not going to win you many games.

Now I'm ready to go beat somethings ass

@KirkIsMyHinrich I’m really not even mad at the players.

Bill biffed this one. He’s got a friggen Lamborghini parked in the garage with Remy and we fed our ogre of a C like he shoots 75% from the field on our last possession.

Play out of a timeout before that we set a double screen for a guy scared to shoot the ball.

We played at least 7 minutes today without at least 2 of Braun, Och and Remy on the court for some god forsaken reason.

Didn’t make any sense.

@FarSideHawk

It will. That was a designed play to get Dave a look at the hoop, everyone knows he doesn't pass. That's after the game he's had while Och Remy and CB had provided all the offense. It's bad coaching on that play. Regardless of the bad call it was designed to get him the ball because at no point in the game had we pinned Dave in the lane to go get a bucket

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 he can put the right guys on the floor.

You got it. Bad substitutions, not sitting Dave and Wilson. Wilson hasn't played, but what is Dave's excuse (again)?

Dave was the only one giving any fucking effort the second half. But sure, ignore the players who couldn't make a damn free throw or gave no damn effort on defense. Yes, we know Dave is limited in ability, but your hatred of him is blinding you to the fact nobody but Dave was actually giving any effort. 5 steals doesn't happen by accident.

How about all the missed bunnies by Ochai and Braun, Remy jacking up bad shots, missing FT's. All shit that did not involve Dave that played a bigger role in KU losing.

The difference between out upper classmen and their youth was crazy. BUT we sure the fuck didn't show any game experience in this - -the guys ought to be really proud of their play today - -great job

@Kcmatt7 I was not super happy with Bill's rotations today. I would agree with that.

@Kubie against non-P5 talent… he should be dominating these games. But he still has the legs of a baby deer and the coordination of a toddler.

Dave was our best big today* but you still shouldn't be forcing it to him when he has the yips.

*Which really says something about our lack of post options.

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@FarSideHawk

It will. That was a designed play to get Dave a look at the hoop, everyone knows he doesn't pass. That's after the game he's had while Och Remy and CB had provided all the offense. It's bad coaching on that play. Regardless of the bad call it was designed to get him the ball because at no point in the game had we pinned Dave in the lane to go get a bucket

If KU actually shown any effort the second half, it doesn't come down to the final possession. That's why this game is on the players and not Self. Bill Self was not the one on the floor saying fuck it for 15 minutes and not giving any effort.

@BShark serious question, why do we need a post scorer? There is plenty of offense elsewhere. Just tell Dave to set screens and catch lobs.

I'm sorry I'm just not impressed by Dave's effort when more then half the time he ends up on the floor. Its truly remarkable to see someone flail to the ground from "effort". It's more then that

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@FarSideHawk

It will. That was a designed play to get Dave a look at the hoop, everyone knows he doesn't pass. That's after the game he's had while Och Remy and CB had provided all the offense. It's bad coaching on that play. Regardless of the bad call it was designed to get him the ball because at no point in the game had we pinned Dave in the lane to go get a bucket

If KU actually shown any effort the second half, it doesn't come down to the final possession. That's why this game is on the players and not Self. Bill Self was not the one on the floor saying fuck it foe 15 minutes and not giving any effort.

Agree with this. Hopefully they are engaged for all 40 minutes on Sunday.

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@BShark serious question, why do we need a post scorer? There is plenty of offense elsewhere. Just tell Dave to set screens and catch lobs.

Also agree with this but Bill is Bill.

Borderline I think the best fit for this team is to play KJ 15 mpg and run. At least he has athleticism to match.

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Borderline I think the best fit for this team is to play KJ 15 mpg and run. At least he has athleticism to match.

Maybe they should. Dave isn't getting it done, not scoring just looks lost right now something not right -- hell KJ can rebound - -may not score but neither is day KJ by far more athletic

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

I'm sorry I'm just not impressed by Dave's effort when more then half the time he ends up on the floor. Its truly remarkable to see someone flail to the ground from "effort". It's more then that

Effort and ability are two different things. We know Dave is limited in ability, but Dave was the only player ending up on the floor because he was the only one trying the second half.

@Texas-Hawk-10

The effort in the 2nd half was bad for that stretch.

@BShark said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@FarSideHawk

It will. That was a designed play to get Dave a look at the hoop, everyone knows he doesn't pass. That's after the game he's had while Och Remy and CB had provided all the offense. It's bad coaching on that play. Regardless of the bad call it was designed to get him the ball because at no point in the game had we pinned Dave in the lane to go get a bucket

If KU actually shown any effort the second half, it doesn't come down to the final possession. That's why this game is on the players and not Self. Bill Self was not the one on the floor saying fuck it foe 15 minutes and not giving any effort.

Agree with this. Hopefully they are engaged for all 40 minutes on Sunday.

Bill ducked around in the first half with the Harris/Bobby/JCL/Wilson/Mitch lineup too though. Could have put them away earlier… had every opportunity to be up 15 at half

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@BShark said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@FarSideHawk

It will. That was a designed play to get Dave a look at the hoop, everyone knows he doesn't pass. That's after the game he's had while Och Remy and CB had provided all the offense. It's bad coaching on that play. Regardless of the bad call it was designed to get him the ball because at no point in the game had we pinned Dave in the lane to go get a bucket

If KU actually shown any effort the second half, it doesn't come down to the final possession. That's why this game is on the players and not Self. Bill Self was not the one on the floor saying fuck it foe 15 minutes and not giving any effort.

Agree with this. Hopefully they are engaged for all 40 minutes on Sunday.

Bill ducked around in the first half with the Harris/Bobby/JCL/Wilson/Mitch lineup too though. Could have put them away earlier… had every opportunity to be up 15 at half

Sorry, but KU had a double digit half time lead and blew it in 5 minutes. That was a lack of effort, not because Bill was trying a line up combination with a big lead in the first half.

We’re a fragile (it’s Italian!) fan base.

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@BShark said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@FarSideHawk

It will. That was a designed play to get Dave a look at the hoop, everyone knows he doesn't pass. That's after the game he's had while Och Remy and CB had provided all the offense. It's bad coaching on that play. Regardless of the bad call it was designed to get him the ball because at no point in the game had we pinned Dave in the lane to go get a bucket

If KU actually shown any effort the second half, it doesn't come down to the final possession. That's why this game is on the players and not Self. Bill Self was not the one on the floor saying fuck it foe 15 minutes and not giving any effort.

Agree with this. Hopefully they are engaged for all 40 minutes on Sunday.

Bill ducked around in the first half with the Harris/Bobby/JCL/Wilson/Mitch lineup too though. Could have put them away earlier… had every opportunity to be up 15 at half

Do think this is a valid point. Seems like he sometimes intentionally will break a teams momentum in the first half so as NOT to get a huge lead. That lineup definitely took the foot off the gas after an explosive start to the game with a lineup that included both Harris and Dave.

Way too many people bitching about the lack of effort in the 2nd half and then not blaming the players when their lack of effort was the biggest reason they lost today.

@wissox idk high expectations.

Look at the football team. We’re willing to endure.

Not all of us have a 2nd college team to follow.

For those of you complaining about the short bench today, what happened at the end of the first half when Self had a lot of the bench guys in? Did KU's lead get bigger or smaller? That's why Self went 7 deep down the stretch.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t think anyone was hoping Remy would play 25 min or that he and ochai would come out at the same time

This combination IS NOT gonna win you very many games: - -Out shot from the field . Out shot from the 3 pt line ,- -- Out shot at the free throw line , and just got our ass handed to us on the boards 36-25 - -the is NO EXCUSE for that,- - - -those kind of stats not gonna win you very many games.

CB is the only one who really had a god game - -all around game - 8-12 from the floor 17 points - -9 rebounds - - 4 steals - -& ZERO turnovers - to bad he couldn't get any help

@Kubie play our walk-on guard Teahan over him at this point, whoever.

@BShark we shouldn't be forcing it inside period, let alone start Dave. He is not a match with the players and skillsets that we have.

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t think anyone was hoping Remy would play 25 min or that he and ochai would come out at the same time

@approxinfinity thank you. @Texas-Hawk-10 question. Do you think that Dave meshes well with the players and skillsets that we have on this team? Hell, unless it be a plodding, undeep and unathletic one would he mesh well with any team? The team that we have this year is not the same as last.

@tis4tim said in Dayton Game Thread:

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Dayton Game Thread:

As frustrated as everyone is right now, remember that these guys are college kids and no one is perfect.

I hear what you're saying, but we didn't have to be perfect. 9-21 from FT and 4-19 from 3-point line is not going to win you many games.

You're right. All that we needed was to play those who deserved to play period, and we would have won.

well crap. that sucks.
that game was looking like it had potential for a large marge win early on.
Agreed with some that Bill hasn't worked out his rotations/lineups yet. or maybe i'm agreeing with myself. i saw a few suspect (to me) lineups on the floor. Hate it when he has like 1 or 0 shooters on the floor, which he did today (JCL was the only dude on the floor who could shoot at one point). I don't recall if we were losing momentum though, so can say that was the issue.
Crap!

Harris' contribution today = 0
Dude needs way less PT.
Insert somebody who at least is a threat offensively and can come close defensively.

@rockchalkjayhawk like @BShark said, two of three players need to be on the floor for us at all times. I want Braun to play 40 mpg! Lol

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

@rockchalkjayhawk like @BShark said, two of three players need to be on the floor for us at all times. I want Braun to play 40 mpg! Lol

Didn't see that BShark mention @Marco
well, i couldn't agree more! depending on who the three guys are...

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@FarSideHawk

It will. That was a designed play to get Dave a look at the hoop, everyone knows he doesn't pass. That's after the game he's had while Och Remy and CB had provided all the offense. It's bad coaching on that play. Regardless of the bad call it was designed to get him the ball because at no point in the game had we pinned Dave in the lane to go get a bucket

If KU actually shown any effort the second half, it doesn't come down to the final possession. That's why this game is on the players and not Self. Bill Self was not the one on the floor saying fuck it for 15 minutes and not giving any effort.

This post is a good one! Add the horrific free throw shooting and you get the result of today’s game. Too bad a loss is a learning experience.

@Marco said in Dayton Game Thread:

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t think anyone was hoping Remy would play 25 min or that he and ochai would come out at the same time

@approxinfinity thank you. @Texas-Hawk-10 question. Do you think that Dave meshes well with the players and skillsets that we have on this team? Hell, unless it be a plodding, undeep and unathletic one would he mesh well with any team? The team that we have this year is not the same as last.

Is Dave perfect for the current system, no, but Self also doesn't have a better option at the 5 at this point. Mitch is even more limited than Dave in his skill set, KJ Adams is Jamari Traylor at this point. Jalen Wilson is a crap shoot about what he'll provide, today was jack shit on both ends. Zach Clemence is the best chance at some point, but not yet. When he's gotten extended looks, it's clear why Clemence doesn't play more yet because he gets lost on both ends of the floor. He can't operate in the paint yet and can't guard anyone yet. Clemence's best comparison is a more athletic Perry Ellis and Ellis was never a good defender.

Dave is the current best fit at the 5 for KU and he is good a setting screens and operating in a pick and roll or screen and roll situation.

And this team isn't as different from last season as you think. Remy and Coleman-Lands are the only two high minutes players that are different from last year. If Wilson does replace Harris in the starting line up, it'll be the 4/5 starters from last year with Harris still being one of the first off the bench like last season, Mitch still being the main big off the bench, and Coleman-Lands basically replacing Bryce Thompson in the rotation.

The guys you wanted to see in the second half was mostly the same group that began giving up the lead in the 1st half so I'm not sure why you think they would've done any differently in the second half.

As to @approxinfinity about Remy and Ochai not playing as much as possible, Remy was taking a lot of really bad shots early in the shot clock instead of running offense so that's why he got yanked a bit in the second half. Same with Ochai, who was playing pretty poorly during that stretch in the 2nd half as well missing a bunch FT's and 3's so he wasn't helping much either.

Can’t believe we couldn’t find a 6’10+ guy that could rebound, contest shots, and wanted to come to Kansas this year.

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

Can’t believe we couldn’t find a 6’10+ guy that could rebound, contest shots, and wanted to come to Kansas this year.

Did anybody, including Self, think Dave was going to regress as much as he has from the end of last season? If Dave was doing what he did once conference play started last year, we'd all be bitching about him coming off the floor.

KU actually did get a 6-9 guy who can do all of those things you said to come to Kansas, but it was a guy with no athleticism whatsoever.

@Texas-Hawk-10 which one, Curry?

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 which one, Curry?

Cam Martin, Sydney Curry was basically what KJ Adams is, except with two less years of eligibility.

I mean it’s not about whether we expect him to regress, it’s whether we have a backup plan. We clearly are not deep enough in the paint for a coach that always says he plays inside out.

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

Can’t believe we couldn’t find a 6’10+ guy that could rebound, contest shots, and wanted to come to Kansas this year.

Imagine Cofi Cockburn in a KU uniform.

It’s yet to be seen whether Cam Martin is able to rebound at a D-1 level against athletic players. Add athleticism to my list of desired attributes. That’s still not a polished skill. Surely there’s some raw talent giant that wants to come to Kansas every year

And I mean maybe this never happens again. Next year we have bigs coming. But it seems like we
Want to get a guard a wing and a big in basically each class ideally

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

It’s yet to be seen whether Cam Martin is able to rebound at a D-1 level against athletic players. Add athleticism to my list of desired attributes. That’s still not a polished skill. Surely there’s some raw talent giant that wants to come to Kansas every year

That happened last year with Gethro Muscadin. Raw talent doesn't work in Self's system though because Self doesn't run a basic system, he runs a fairly complex system that takes time to learn which is why we still see Harris running point over Remy most of the time right now.

You're not going to find the type of big you want on the transfer market very often because a big with the skill set you want typically ends up in the NBA pretty quickly. Those that are available usually have a major flaw in their game that keeps them from the NBA. Kofi Cockburn for example since he was name dropped is similar to Doke in that he's basically useless more than 7-8 from the basket.

As far as raw talent, that's KJ Adams this season. He's high energy, but low skilled which means he doesn't bring much to the table against quality teams.

@Kcmatt7 I was mainly referring to the folk who give up on our team in a game in which we were one relatively lucky bounce away from winning the game.

Sure it was disappointing, but not the end of the world!

@Texas-Hawk-10 good comp of muscadin. Dave and Jalen played 48 minutes today, Zach and KJ played 4. If that shifts 10 minutes I think this is a win. Think KJ might be able to get a few of those boards/bunnies that Dave did not, and played only 1 minute.

Regardless of complexity, when protecting a lead we can’t lack basic proficiency.

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 good comp of muscadin. Dave and Jalen played 48 minutes today, Zach and KJ played 4. If that shifts 10 minutes I think this is a win. Think KJ might be able to get a few of those boards/bunnies that Dave did not, and played only 1 minute.

Regardless of complexity, when protecting a lead we can’t lack basic proficiency.

I don't think KJ changes the outcome of the game because he's not someone you really have to guard on offense at this point. Zach Clemence may have been the better option because of his shooting to me, but he was also part of the group that started giving up the lead in the first half.

Maybe an early loss for a wake up call for everyone to work harder?

@StLJhawk said in Dayton Game Thread:

Maybe an early loss for a wake up call for everyone to work harder?

Work harder or just execute better? No way to sugar coat this - this was a bad loss. Dayton had a losing record coming in. Has a dozen freshmen. They turned the ball over 20 times. This should have been a blowout. At this point, Baylor rules the roost in the B12 (just beat down MSU), and KU needs to prove otherwise. And, unless the Hawks do dominate the conference, a high seed isn't in the offing - the non-conference schedule is the weakest in memory. Other than UK?, really no other opportunities for quality wins.

Jesse Newell has a piece about why the last play went the way it did. He argues it ended up with Dave in a bad spot because of Remy. Which seems accurate but the call was still to go to Dave which to me is a dang coaching mistake.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article256132652.html ↗

Sure let’s blame one play. SMH.

@benshawks08 said in Dayton Game Thread:

Jesse Newell has a piece about why the last play went the way it did. He argues it ended up with Dave in a bad spot because of Remy. Which seems accurate but the call was still to go to Dave which to me is a dang coaching mistake.

What are the other options on that play realistically? Ochai, who was 3 of 7 from the FT line today and wouldn't have been allowed anywhere near the basket without getting hammered? Remy, who had reverted to his ASU form of taking too many bad shots? Dejuan Harris? Dayton didn't even bother guarding him on that sequence. It's telling that Braun had the ball in that situation and not either of the PG's. The play probably should've been an iso for Braun or McCormack setting a screen for Braun to clear out the paint for a drive.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Och is the option. If he’s gonna be the man he’s gotta be the man. He’s my pick.

Ochai, CB and Remy all produced on offense today. Dave didn’t.

@approxinfinity To be clear I agree the game should have never been that close. And the first fifteen minutes of the first half (and really the last 5-10 of the first) are much more significant. But many games are going to come down to crunch time and if Dave is the go to guy at the end of the game I’m just not sure what we are even doing.

@benshawks08 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@approxinfinity To be clear I agree the game should have never been that close. And the first fifteen minutes of the first half (and really the last 5-10 of the first) are much more significant. But many games are going to come down to crunch time and if Dave is the go to guy at the end of the game I’m just not sure what we are even doing.

There is no excuse for Remy to not touch the ball the last possession, nor him playing only 25 minutes today. He was the best player on the court today and we were +15 with him on the floor.

He is on this team because he can score the ball. Complete failure today, almost surely based on ego.

@benshawks08 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Och is the option. If he’s gonna be the man he’s gotta be the man. He’s my pick.

Not today he shouldn't have been. Braun should've been the choice today.

Dave showed he can make big shots down the stretch in close games last year. He just started out sucking this year and he needs to get his head right. If he can’t do that without the ball always going through him then I don’t want to ride the struggle bus to get there, nor do the other 9 rotation guys.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@benshawks08 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Och is the option. If he’s gonna be the man he’s gotta be the man. He’s my pick.

Not today he shouldn't have been. Braun should've been the choice today.

Fully disagree. Och is getting the press for a player of the year type season. He’s the senior. He came back to be the go to guy. He’s scoring 20+ a game. He’s the most athletic and best shooter we’ve got. He’s shown more creating his own shot this season. He can catch and shoot coming off a screen. Pump fake and drive it, pull up for a mid-range shot.

Braun had a great game. But his points were mostly effort points and being in the right place at the right time in the flow of the offense. He wasn’t creating for himself or others. He wasn’t hot from deep. He doesn’t really have scoring threats outside of open threes and layups/dunks. I don’t know that we’ve EVER seen him in an ISO situation to know what he would even do there.

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

Dave showed he can make big shots down the stretch in close games last year. He just started out sucking this year and he needs to get his head right. If he can’t do that without the ball always going through him then I don’t want to ride the struggle bus to get there, nor do the other 9 rotation guys.

Dave should NEVER be the guy we play through with a minute left. You have two players in Ochai and Remi too good to play through Dave.

Jesse Newell can talk about Remy hero ball, but literally all Frank did down the stretch was hero ball. Same with Graham. It’s what you do with PGs who can score the ball the way Remy does.

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

Dave showed he can make big shots down the stretch in close games last year. He just started out sucking this year and he needs to get his head right. If he can’t do that without the ball always going through him then I don’t want to ride the struggle bus to get there, nor do the other 9 rotation guys.

We got the ball to Dave in the exact situation Self wanted several times this game and he blew it every time. Just can’t imagine being in that situation with a must score possession and having watched the last few games and saying yep, let’s dump one into Dave. He will get the angle and score it!

Like where does that idea come from?

Speaking of DG playing hero ball… 🐦 View Tweet?s=20

@benshawks08 someone willing to risk a non con loss just to get Dave going. Smiles and hugs for AG. Maybe he thinks we have no chance cutting down nets without Dave being decent. That is probably correct.

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

Dave showed he can make big shots down the stretch in close games last year. He just started out sucking this year and he needs to get his head right. If he can’t do that without the ball always going through him then I don’t want to ride the struggle bus to get there, nor do the other 9 rotation guys.

Dave should NEVER be the guy we play through with a minute left. You have two players in Ochai and Remi too good to play through Dave.

Jesse Newell can talk about Remy hero ball, but literally all Frank did down the stretch was hero ball. Same with Graham. It’s what you do with PGs who can score the ball the way Remy does.

I do think Jesse hinted at the real issue which is Bill doesn’t trust Remy. Their relationship HAS to evolve (from both of them) for this season to go the way we all want it to.

Remy still gets pulled for defensive mistakes and Jalen no D Wilson comes in for him on the last defensive possession. When Remy gets pulled you can see it kills him. He does not hide his disgust. He plays hard and wants to win but his game and selfs game are not the same. Hopefully this game does something to bring them together. They both gotta give.

If Bill fs this one up with Remy it’s not going to bode well for future High profile transfers

@approxinfinity Do you think Dave getting going or Remy and Self figuring their crap out is more important to late season success?

To me it’s Remy/Self. This team has shown flashes of greatness already and those flashes have all involved Remy.

@benshawks08 :hundred_points: agree

Plus Dave struggling this year with all the opportunity he has had will have little negative impact on recruiting

@benshawks08 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@benshawks08 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Och is the option. If he’s gonna be the man he’s gotta be the man. He’s my pick.

Not today he shouldn't have been. Braun should've been the choice today.

Fully disagree. Och is getting the press for a player of the year type season. He’s the senior. He came back to be the go to guy. He’s scoring 20+ a game. He’s the most athletic and best shooter we’ve got. He’s shown more creating his own shot this season. He can catch and shoot coming off a screen. Pump fake and drive it, pull up for a mid-range shot.

Braun had a great game. But his points were mostly effort points and being in the right place at the right time in the flow of the offense. He wasn’t creating for himself or others. He wasn’t hot from deep. He doesn’t really have scoring threats outside of open threes and layups/dunks. I don’t know that we’ve EVER seen him in an ISO situation to know what he would even do there.

Sorry, but with how Ochai was shooting FT's today, hell no you don't get him driving there because Dayton would've fouled the shit out of him and put him on the line where he wasn't making shit today. And if you think Braun wasn't creating opportunities today, then you need to back and rewatch and look at the box score. 5 assists don't happen by accident and 8-12 with only one 3 point attempt doesn't happen by accident either. Braun had the ball in his hands a lot today and was by far KU's best playmaker today.

@benshawks08 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@approxinfinity Do you think Dave getting going or Remy and Self figuring their crap out is more important to late season success?

To me it’s Remy/Self. This team has shown flashes of greatness already and those flashes have all involved Remy.

Look at KU's tournament history with Frank. KU never got over the hump because of the 5 because Lucas was a non factor. Getting Dave to where he was in conference play last year is far more important to KU's title hopes than Remy is at this point. Remy isn't the only option KU has at PG whereas Dave is the only option at the 5.

@benshawks08 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

Dave showed he can make big shots down the stretch in close games last year. He just started out sucking this year and he needs to get his head right. If he can’t do that without the ball always going through him then I don’t want to ride the struggle bus to get there, nor do the other 9 rotation guys.

Dave should NEVER be the guy we play through with a minute left. You have two players in Ochai and Remi too good to play through Dave.

Jesse Newell can talk about Remy hero ball, but literally all Frank did down the stretch was hero ball. Same with Graham. It’s what you do with PGs who can score the ball the way Remy does.

I do think Jesse hinted at the real issue which is Bill doesn’t trust Remy. Their relationship HAS to evolve (from both of them) for this season to go the way we all want it to.

Remy still gets pulled for defensive mistakes and Jalen no D Wilson comes in for him on the last defensive possession. When Remy gets pulled you can see it kills him. He does not hide his disgust. He plays hard and wants to win but his game and selfs game are not the same. Hopefully this game does something to bring them together. They both gotta give.

From what we’ve seen if Remy so far vs how he was at ASU the ego is from one side of this equation… Remy has for the most part been a patient and willing passer/teammate and decent enough defender . Some has to check their ego at the door and it isn’t the 23 year old.

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@benshawks08 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@Kcmatt7 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

Dave showed he can make big shots down the stretch in close games last year. He just started out sucking this year and he needs to get his head right. If he can’t do that without the ball always going through him then I don’t want to ride the struggle bus to get there, nor do the other 9 rotation guys.

Dave should NEVER be the guy we play through with a minute left. You have two players in Ochai and Remi too good to play through Dave.

Jesse Newell can talk about Remy hero ball, but literally all Frank did down the stretch was hero ball. Same with Graham. It’s what you do with PGs who can score the ball the way Remy does.

I do think Jesse hinted at the real issue which is Bill doesn’t trust Remy. Their relationship HAS to evolve (from both of them) for this season to go the way we all want it to.

Remy still gets pulled for defensive mistakes and Jalen no D Wilson comes in for him on the last defensive possession. When Remy gets pulled you can see it kills him. He does not hide his disgust. He plays hard and wants to win but his game and selfs game are not the same. Hopefully this game does something to bring them together. They both gotta give.

From what we’ve seen if Remy so far vs how he was at ASU the ego is from one side of this equation… Remy has for the most part been a patient and willing passer/teammate and decent enough defender . Some has to check their ego at the door and it isn’t the 23 year old.

I do think they are both trying but like Self said, they just don’t see things the same way yet. I think they’ll get there. I hope Dave does too. He was big time for a while there at the end of last year. Disappointing that that’s not what we’ve seen to start the year but if I had to pick I’d rather he come on late than early and drop off.

@approxinfinity said in Dayton Game Thread:

If Bill fs this one up with Remy it’s not going to bode well for future High profile transfers

Have a feeling we will be circling back to it

Remy was lazy yesterday and that kind of stuff can impact the rest of the team. That won't be the last time Self is tearing into Remy on the sidelines.

At the end of the day you just aren't going to win many games shooting 21% from 3 and 45% from the line.

McCormack's offensive charge about the one minute mark really shows a lack of coaching or a lack of understanding by him. Dave was double teamed and should know by now for goodness sake that he needed to pass the ball out. Everyone should have been looking to Ochai during crunch time; certainly not Dave.

@rockchalkjayhawk Braun, Ochai and Remy

@approxinfinity Oh yeah, thin in the front courtcourt this year. If Dave keeps playing this bad we might see Martin before next season.

@BShark I'm hoping the FT thing doesn't became a head thing and it lasts all season. Sometimes these things balloon into a full on achilles heal. Hasn't shown itself so far until yesterday. But when you lose a game by 1, you can really say the biggest factor for that loss was plain and simply FT shooting.

@benshawks08 said in Dayton Game Thread:

@approxinfinity To be clear I agree the game should have never been that close. And the first fifteen minutes of the first half (and really the last 5-10 of the first) are much more significant. But many games are going to come down to crunch time and if Dave is the go to guy at the end of the game I’m just not sure what we are even doing.

I'm not sure that Dave even needs to be on the court at the end of games.

@stoptheflop said in Dayton Game Thread:

McCormack's offensive charge about the one minute mark really shows a lack of coaching or a lack of understanding by him. Dave was double teamed and should know by now for goodness sake that he needed to pass the ball out. Everyone should have been looking to Ochai during crunch time; certainly not Dave.

If the play was ran correctly Dave doesn't get doubled apparently. Regardless it was not the play we needed to keep the victory and both player and coach are feeling the heat for decisions

I'd much rather let Remy try to create but Bill gonna Bill.

@BShark said in Dayton Game Thread:

I'd much rather let Remy try to create but Bill gonna Bill.

Like the 3 guys who scored 55 of the 73 pts scored.. typical