We good.
Zach out there for warm-ups this time. First time since his injury.
Remy warming up.
Bobby in street clothes.
@Crimsonorblue22 Happy Birthday!!!!!
@Crimsonorblue22 What was your problem?
@Crimsonorblue22 Happy Birthday young lady!
@jessejayhawk surgery for a hiatal hernia
@Crimsonorblue22 Trust that you are on the road to a full recovery.
@Kcmatt7 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@BShark Bobby get hurt again?
Judging by how he looked when he tried to play, I don't think he ever fully recovered.
Agbaji with the tapped wrist still. Will have to play better then just the last 5 minutes today
:writing_hand:
@BeddieKU23 Let's hope he plays 40 min like his last five
Shame about Bobby.
@BeddieKU23 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Really isn't going to let it go
He probably should have just pulled up awhile ago but I am 99% sure I heard the exact same rumor he did (I didn't put it out publicly lol) and there was something to it.
Cliff notes here on linked tweets for those that don't twitter
Remy is "adjusting, wants to win". NBA feedback was centered around actually running a structured offense and guarding, hence coming to KU instead of staying in Tempe. Dad felt he should have played against WVU. Knee good to go.
A follow up
"He added Remy needs to figure it out, and that Self has certain expectations for Remy.
They do not want him to volume shoot. They want him to run an offense."
Do we have a starting line-up yet?
@jessejayhawk said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Do we have a starting line-up yet?
Should be the same.
Would like to see more two guard looks though. The turnovers have been brutal going back to the triple wing look.
I do not expect Remy to start.
Cool stats for CB.
!!!
OK, time to see how F'd up ESPN+ is today.
As foretold.
What kind of deal does KU have With ESPN+. Surely the KU basketball doesn't need the money.
The chants are starting early lol
Flagship program with them
I like ESPN+, actually. Outside the US, I have to stream all the games (except CBS). ESPN+ is less glitchy than the complex workarounds I have to go through to see games on ESPN and ESPN2. You just need a decent computer and decent internet.
"Not completely full" Shame.
Not wise to leave Pack
Just stop feeding Dave. He just isn't an efficient scorer that way. Run plays for others and let him focus on ORBs, like he did on the Ochai miss....
Shit call
Yep this will be a battle all game
Worst fan base in all of sports
Dave working hard.
I do like Dave's energy going for RBs. Just hold on to them....
Dave has come to play today
That is so clearly a foul. Dave boarding well
Hopefully when this game settles we actually do some offense
Let's go #Jayhawks ❤💙
Sure no foul
I'm ready to see some Remy
Can't even get a fair call
My pic isn't very clear
wtf was that call
Bruce calling for the ref
Getting whipped by KSU, we might just stink.
The Hands of Dave.
Ochaitogon of Doom
cant stop the worst offense in the league cool
Good foul
Defensively we r a mess so far
Alas, Mitch is routinely out of position on defense and then is forced to foul....
Dave
braun and ochai should be able to drive like that all day
@DCHawker said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Alas, Mitch is routinely out of position on defense and then is forced to foul....
This is an extra poor match-up for Mitch, KSU has some huge bodies.
Well Remy isn’t going to stop that guy
Pack on a heater
KSU, which typically struggles to score, is on about a 90-100 pt pace right now...
Well at least this isn’t boring
I don't know agbaji that was so stupid
@DCHawker said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
KSU, which typically struggles to score, is on about a 90-100 pt pace right now...
8-11 from the floor, insane.
Maybe a game where KJ can not be intimidated 🤔
Letting their best shooter take pop shots from the corner is probably not the best defensive strategy.
Dave has 7 boards
@BeddieKU23 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Dave has 7 boards
4 were his own missed shots though
@approxinfinity
Lol
Braun has been the only guard to stay in front on an drive attempt.
The bigger issue on defense right now is we cannot contain dribble penetration on their high ball screens.
Bruce literally has them running the same set like 4-5 straight times and we can't stop it.
@BeddieKU23 yepppp
Just in case you were wondering it doesn't sound any better on radio than it does on whatever the heck you're watching.
@DanR said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@BeddieKU23 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Dave has 7 boards
4 were his own missed shots though
That goes without saying he's going to get his own bricks
I had this game as 71-66 Hawks.
@jessejayhawk said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
What kind of deal does KU have With ESPN+. Surely the KU basketball doesn't need the money.
KU doesn't control who broadcasts Big 12 games. The Big 12 controls the media rights deals it has for conference games.
If we can get some stops against... checks notes KSU we should win this game.
when pack cools off they got nuthin though
@BeddieKU23 hey I’ll take beating guys to your own board and finishing in traffic. That’s improvement
Pull his headband down over his eyes
75%!!!
Is garret available to come guard pack?
Time for box and 1
KSU on pace for about 110 so far today.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
KSU on pace for about 110 so far today.
Make that 116....
One would think ESPN would be able to do a live box score
Lol
Don't belong on the same court with KSU
Lmao this is honestly as bad as it could get
Stay classy KSUcks
J will back to basic bisch again
How about we guard their best player a little?
Bruce will find a way to screw up this lead
Mud Pack with 16 in 10 minutes? Put KJ on him.
@Kcmatt7 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
How about we guard their best player a little?
hmmm maybe
Awful
Why are our guys afraid to pull the trigger on open 3s???
Zone!
I just don't get this defense today it's a simple BALL SCREEN
28 minutes to make up an 8 point deficit
@BeddieKU23 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
I just don't get this defense today it's a simple BALL SCREEN
Same issue as last year, guys aren't quick enough to switch on screens.
Och's head is not in the game
This lineup ain't ittl
Okay!
Agbaji the only guy we got
@DanR said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Och's head is not in the game
Ochai is the only reason KU isn't down 15+ right now.
Adams shouldn't play if he's not gonna go aggressive
Ochai settled for a jumper there - should have taken it to the rim...
This is like no sedation dentistry
Glad I didn't pay for this
P:ack 13 out of 15. Wow.
@DCHawker said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Ochai settled for a jumper there - should have taken it to the rim...
Like the 3rd one today
They’ll cool off……….right????
Self better get out his bottle of "red ass" at half time
Granted everyone is playing with a heavy ❤ for Coach but this is not gonna get us anywhere.
KSU shooting 71% from three... I assume they'll cool off. If not, well, what can you do
75%
@DanR said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
KSU shooting 71% from three... I assume they'll cool off. If not, well, what can you do
The first few were easy. Hitting some tougher ones now.
No bench pts and j will stayed in lawrence
Braun you gotta make that
State getting cocky.
Under 3 by half - calling it now
Awful shot dave
@Kcmatt7 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Under 3 by half - calling it now
Not if we keep running plays for Dave...
@BeddieKU23 He should just go open and slam that...
@DCHawker said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@BeddieKU23 He should just go open and slam that...
This is big dave your talking about, right?
Did you see that elbow aimed at Dave
Awful ft
I'm fine with how Dave is playing today. He's being aggressive which is what he needs to do every time.
Remy on Pack... that seems like a bad plan
Remy on anyone is good for the other team
@DanR said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Remy on Pack... that seems like a bad plan
As opposed to the other players that have guarded him today?
Lmao literally out of their minds rn
We have no answer at any end.
This is stupid.
25-20. TCU ISU
radio dude says Mitch didn't foul the guy
Our guard play is? Our strength!
Guy slipped before Mitch fouled
@wissox said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
radio dude says Mitch didn't foul the guy
I would agree with that. He was falling on his back untouched
That call is not the problem. Refs haven’t really seemed bad in the first half.
@Zabudda said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Our guard play is? Our strength!
Not even close. Just wings
Dave didn’t get fouled on his drive earlier.
if an opposing player wants to land on his head and back to pick up a foul, I'm usually all for it
Mitch... that was a lob for you
Beating Dave up. And we are the worst finishers at the rim
@DanR said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Mitch... that was a lob for you
But it wasn't a good lob though.
Let's take advantage of bonus
Hahaha wow
Box and 1 sighting.
Wilson again with zero effort
Just wow....
That 4 pt sequence is Jalen fault. How do you let nowell get that ball from you
Gonna need that second half effort vs wvu in this one.
They have 10 assists to 2 TOs. 8 and 8 for us...
@benshawks08 do we have it within us? Time will tell
KJ
Good lord I hear brucie screaming like a banshie
wilson oh boy
@Crimsonorblue22 Happy Birthday! People just say it sometimes, but really every year the day that you were born on is a big deal...
As bad as we were and as hot as Pack was, we're in pretty good shape!
Can't believe I waited all day for this shit sandwich
OMG😤
My birthday was January 3rd.
Well, lots of people predicted it would be an ugly game. Just didn't expect all the ugly to be on us.
Almost zero chance we can play any worse any other half the entire season
@BeddieKU23 does that mean there will be a good part at the end?
Well, we're on an average scoring pace for conference games...
Just tuned in. Could someone tell me what we did well? Telling me what we did bad would take too long it appears. Oof.
@BeddieKU23 3:00 BB games are the worst. Just screws up the entire day, and it's too early to start drinkin
Not sure what you do about their last 15 points or so. The d actually sured up a bit but it was too late. Just made everything they tossed at the hoop no matter where it was tossed from.
@tis4tim said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Just tuned in. Could someone tell me what we did well? Telling me what we did bad would take too long it appears. Oof.
Crickets...
@tis4tim said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Just tuned in. Could someone tell me what we did well? Telling me what we did bad would take too long it appears. Oof.
I got nothing. Honestly, how did we score 34 points?
@DanR said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
As bad as we were and as hot as Pack was, we're in pretty good shape!
Down 16 with an offense that hasn't been good today and a defense that's been even worse isn't in good shape.
Don't look at the stats they are....
@Kcmatt7 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Almost zero chance we can play any worse any other half the entire season
An karate cant play any better. Gotta tip the hat to that shooting.
@tundrahok said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Crickets…
Somehow I suspected that. Good thing is a game has two halves.
@BeddieKU23 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
After the week I've had this is just unreal. I'm the only one in the house without covid.
You'll be okay, you were vaccined if memory serves? If you do get it, it won't be much.
@tis4tim said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Just tuned in. Could someone tell me what we did well? Telling me what we did bad would take too long it appears. Oof.
Dave rebounded well on the offensive boards.
@DanR said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
I got nothing. Honestly, how did we score 34 points?
Well when we win I will take sole credit then!
@BeddieKU23 Is your son feeling ok?
@tis4tim said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Just tuned in. Could someone tell me what we did well? Telling me what we did bad would take too long it appears. Oof.
KU has 8 assists on 12 made FG's so they're sharing the ball and Davehas been aggressive when in. Beyond that, I got nothing positive about today so far.
Remy with no shots or stops. Weird.
Hey , nuleafjhawk - - remind me again how KU was gonna beat K/ states ass by 40 ? - -go ahead I'll wait. geez I said and others said I'm mean dam you don't beat two top 25 teams back to back like they did, & then play us with the way we been playing and make a statement that we are gonna blow them out by 40.
The thing that kinda of threw me off was the pace much faster on their part. - -IT'S UGLY
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@tis4tim said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Just tuned in. Could someone tell me what we did well? Telling me what we did bad would take too long it appears. Oof.
KU has 8 assists on 12 made FG's so they're sharing the ball and Davehas been aggressive when in. Beyond that, I got nothing positive about today so far.
The guards have all taken turns being aggressive and then just nonchalantly passing the ball to the other team.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@tis4tim said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Just tuned in. Could someone tell me what we did well? Telling me what we did bad would take too long it appears. Oof.
KU has 8 assists on 12 made FG's so they're sharing the ball and Davehas been aggressive when in. Beyond that, I got nothing positive about today so far.
Oh come on @Texas-Hawk-10 where is the Mr. Brightside that we have all come to know and love?
@tundrahok said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@BeddieKU23 Is your son feeling ok?
Yes he is Over the worst of it. Thanks for asking. Hopefully the wife will be in the same spot soon too
@benshawks08 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Dave rebounded well on the offensive boards.
He’s been trending well in that respect. Glad to see it continue. Of course that also generally means we’re not shooting well. So there’s that. But little victories …
Just saw KSU was at 1.45 ppp that half.
@DanR said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@BeddieKU23 3:00 BB games are the worst. Just screws up the entire day, and it's too early to start drinkin
With a game like today - It's never to early. - - K/State hung a 50 spot on us - - our defense is sad it's not just today, there is a reason why we are last in defense in the Big 12
Octagon of Room Game Thread? Bruce Lee's Game of Death?
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
KU has 8 assists on 12 made FG’s so they’re sharing the ball and Davehas been aggressive when in. Beyond that, I got nothing positive about today so far.
Well, it’s a start. We’ll assert ourselves in the second half. Interestingly, I think KSU being up so much at the half might work against them. The pressure of winning might get to them because you don’t want to be the team that choked away a 16-point lead.
@Marco said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@tis4tim said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Just tuned in. Could someone tell me what we did well? Telling me what we did bad would take too long it appears. Oof.
KU has 8 assists on 12 made FG's so they're sharing the ball and Davehas been aggressive when in. Beyond that, I got nothing positive about today so far.
Oh come on @Texas-Hawk-10 where is the Mr. Brightside that we have all come to know and love?
Did anyone else post anything positive?
@Texas-Hawk-10 I did
@Texas-Hawk-10 I was just joking you, anyway
Watch . The 1st half was Pack - - KU will slow him the 2nd half & - - Smith will go off
@jessejayhawk said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@DanR maybe for you. I started about 10 minutes into the game
Well, it's after 4 now... close enough. I got a full beer fridge calling me
Just having one of those “other teams Super Bowl” days. Shit happens. UK and Duke get it too. KSU just hyped
We can make it better than it was before. Better, stronger, faster... 'Dn, nhh, nhh, nh!'
I think it’s time to turn Remy loose and let him volume score. And I’d lime to see Wilson step up here too. Either way this will be a very different half with a much better result.
Just think of how miserable all the kstate fans are going be to when they blow this!
@DanR said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@jessejayhawk said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@DanR maybe for you. I started about 10 minutes into the game
Well, it's after 4 now... close enough. I got a full beer fridge calling me
Save me one
@jayballer67 Nowell did well too, 11 pts and 5 assists. Beyond that there wasn't much.
Park was their leading rebounder with 3. That's not a lot. We are doing better on the boards. And we had 8 assists on 12 buckets, so we are moving the ball. If we can slow down those 2 players, we could scratch our way back.
@DanR said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Just think of how miserable all the kstate fans are going be to when they blow this!
I endorse this message.
What's the "Squires 6" on the KU warmups?
Need 100% full throttle from Ochai this half
What was the goal of that post feed? 3 guys on him
what a dumb foul
We have the technology...
Good to see we can shoot free throws
I guess it was a good foul
@Marco said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
We have the technology…
I will rec six million dollar man references all day.
Who misses 3FTs in a row???
So when is Bill gonna guard Pack at the 3 point line?
why the hell we letting Pack even touch the ball at this point
Ochai!
there he is, way to fight for position before Dave clanked that
The closer this lead becomes the more KSU will tighten up.
We own the glass anyways
Ochai!
Omg FOUL
what's the delay? admiring the blown call?
Sure refs. Sure
5 fouls for k state. Keep at it
three on bradford, but he sucks, and I'd rather he stayed in
refs are on fire
@DanR said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
What's the "Squires 6" on the KU warmups?
Both schools are honoring the players that broke the color barriers at each school. That's why KSU has the 3 Wilson shirts on today too.
Don’t look now but we can get this to 10
Boom!
cold breeze starting to blow through the octo
Slipping away for KSU …
Good effort there. Need another 4 like that
All those second attempts def help
Let me read the mood in the octagon.... "oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit"
More like it - defense a bit more focused and they are starting to miss shots. They're only on a 20pt pace so far this half...
Are they chanting DUI every time JWill gets the ball?? So childish
We're outrebounding them 26-13
@RockChalkinTexas said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Are they chanting DUI every time JWill gets the ball?? So childish
Pretty sure that might be the least childish thing they chant
Can't give up a 3 on this possession. They will be looking for it
Second chance points are the only thing keeping us within shouting distance...
36 30 TCU
@tundrahok yea, let’s keep that up!
Really wish the bench had a guy you could trust defensively. These 5 need to play like 18 of the 20 minutes, Dave included
D-up!
They've been at 55 for awhile.
Keep it up
Awesome d there. Knew they were going for the possession difference there getting a 3
Kitten’s shooting is finally cooling off too, not surprisingly
A bucket here and the dam will burst in our favor.
Harris did well on Pack that time
@tis4tim said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
A bucket here and the dam will burst in our favor.
Calling an Agbaji triple
One good thing is , you can't fault Dave or Jalen they doing work on the Boards - -just killin it
That's the D I need to see from Juan.
I'm calling a Braun slam and a freethrow
We need to be our own friend as least
@Kcmatt7 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Really wish the bench had a guy you could trust defensively. These 5 need to play like 18 of the 20 minutes, Dave included
Some offense wouldn't hurt either. 0 bench pts.
Just saying since I threw my hat we have cut the lead
Yeah, bench is very much not great in general. Need more real guys.
Wilson!
Travel I thought
way to fight for it
@DanR said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
way to fight for it
Do love the effort this half at least.
Harris needs to just realize ain't nobody to lob it to
That was ugly
@DanR said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Harris needs to just realize ain't nobody to lob it to
Dave was open, just didn't put any air under that lob.
@Texas-Hawk-10 And, no air under Dave's "jump"...
Sit remy
Why didn't CB help on the weak-side there???
Doke dunks that
Ok guys need a bucket here
@DCHawker said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@Texas-Hawk-10 And, no air under Dave's "jump"...
Because it was a bad pass. Dave has finished enough lobs this year we know he can go get a good pass. That was flat and level with the rim, even Ochai wouldn't have finished that lob pass.
Remy's defense :grimacing_face:
No point going to the line today
Another blown defense by remy
9 of 15 from the line ain’t gunna get it done
LOL
yikes
Neither is shot clock violations
Bad possession.
Agbaji bodied like 6 times
The game is there for the taking. We just gotta take it.
🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
guys need a rest, just in time
Nice jalen
@BeddieKU23 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Agbaji bodied like 6 times
That's just good clean defense in Manhattan.
4 yrs and nobody can get into Dave's head to teach him to keep the ball high
The Hands of Dave. lol. He cant believe it himself.
@BeddieKU23 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
4 yrs and nobody can get into Dave's head to teach him to keep the ball high
That's not a problem exclusive to Dave among big men unfortunately.
@Zabudda said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
The Hands of Dave. lol. He cant believe it himself.
Why can't he believe it - happens multiple times every friggin' game...
we can cut it down to 7.
@BeddieKU23 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
4 yrs and nobody can get into Dave's head to teach him to keep the ball high
he literally can't jump unless he swings his arms upward, so he has to pull the ball down and then back up to get his feet off the ground
Tied that next 4. Hope we get it to 5 or less by the under 8
Why not bring in Yesufu to help on defense, can't do much worse than what Remy has done on that end today or on offense too.
Agree Yesufu has speed too.
From reading this thread what I gather is we aren’t athletic enough to play d or play fast and we have rolled the same guys out there after Bill absolutely trashed the team and state of the program with the usc beatdown.
He then trotted out the same crew but with dajuan at pg and figured “this should fix it....system beats talent any day”
I said round of 32 or sweet 16 beatdown but that’s if we even get there
just need to not screw up too much from here on
Mitch just doesn't have it
I think he has a reputation.
@BeddieKU23 best on ball defender yet can’t see the floor. Thought self prided defense...nah only feeding the post which oh wait he drives and has proper lobs to Dave too.
Well he can’t buy a bucket...yeah we sure gave Harris that same leash as every team sagged off him...not the same for Joe
Our bench has ZERO points. I don't have to be watching to know that's bad with a capital B
Get it to 6
Make these
Of course not
Lob passes 3 KU 0
Jesus
Wow we are fighting
Good hustle.
Nice play Harris.
Losing this game at the line 🙃
Can't make a free throw to save our life
Bloody FT.
@Kcmatt7 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Losing this game at the line 🙃
10-17 including missing multiple front ends. WOOF.
Okay ref
Phantom call to get it back to 10
Huh, a KU that can’t hit FTs, go figger.
Remy can go back to asu
@BeddieKU23 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Phantom call to get it back to 10
Yeah not sure wtf that call was
Give me the starting 5 again.
30 pts for Pack? Ugh
Nice.
Somehow we ruined Remy.
Lol okay. I'll take that...
Ochai has to get going. Been really quiet.
Hate that call though, for the record.
I hold my breath whenever Remy does all his unnecessary fancy dribbling
Mitch!
Harris!
Thank you Remy. Here's a free car!
All the way
Remy!
Now we got ourselves a game
That's the Remy that needs to show up every night. Be aggressive driving the ball and it opens everything else up on offense.
👍
Och hammered, nothing.
Ochai!
It was Wilson's turn to try a three, Remy
Get 3 good looks - have to make one of those...
Couldn't buy one there yikles
Frikin' incredible. they can't get a board and we can't hit a 3
Missed opportunity
@DCHawker said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Get 3 good looks - have to make one of those...
Well, 2 good looks anyway. That first one wasn't a good shot.
@DCHawker said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Get 3 good looks - have to make one of those...
That was the game, I feel.
Plus 4 on that 4
Man we own the glass
Only down 4. No need to shoot like you're down by 14.
Why Remy?
+21 on the glass so far.
Dam we have JUST GOT TO - - hit free points. You are being given points you got to make the dam thing
53 39. TCU over ISU
Keep taking it to the hole
@BShark said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@DCHawker said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Get 3 good looks - have to make one of those...
That was the game, I feel.
Would have been huge, but still a lot of time. I've never seen our guys pound the boards this hard. Just to keep up the intensity...
Make these Jalen.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
+21 on the glass so far.
Eye popping stat. Playing hard at least, Bruce would be proud.
@RockChalkinTexas TCU needs to be ranked on Monday
Kinda has turned on Mitch's effort.
I'd sure love to know what the rebound advantage KU has
21.
Stay aggressive on the boards, hit the FT and drive the ball and this one is ours.
+21 according to upthread
@jayballer67 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
I'd sure love to know what the rebound advantage KU has
Only 39 - 18... ;)
Ochai needs to show up too.
MAKES SOME FTS I STG
1 basket game!
Turnover
Nice. D-up!
That was off a grape
Awful
Robbed
Over the back
Fuck you ref
Refs just gave them 3
Oof
Braun!
Thanks ref and also FU
Lol of course Nowell makes that
Remy is so bad on that end.
good grief Remy
Get Remy out
Remy loves to brick
Get Remy out now
@Kcmatt7 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Remy is so bad on that end.
This is ASU Remy hero ball right now on offense.
Need an Ochai sighting here
Make them please Och.
Agbaji held like in football
@tis4tim said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Need an Ochai sighting here
Got held there pretty blatantly, surprised they called it.
I'm guessing Bill leaves Remy in so he can get his mojo back
🙏
@DanR said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
I'm guessing Bill leaves Remy in so he can get his mojo back
Pulled him after that shot.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@DanR said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
I'm guessing Bill leaves Remy in so he can get his mojo back
Pulled him after that shot.
good
D-up!
F that kid
game
Can’t believe the announcers just called Weber an elite coach
Hang in there guys....
still Kstates game to lose, but I'm OK with that
Hang in there!
F that kid
have no idea how Braun held onto that pass, let alone found Dave
What can you do? Those are tough shots.
Pack should buy a lotto ticket tonight
We are incapable of stopping penetration...
@tis4tim said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
What can you do? Those are tough shots.
Pack's last shot wasn't tough, he flat out beat Braun and hit a pretty easy shot.
Wtf, what does Pack have now, like 40 pts?
When pack is 80 this game will be all he has
Hilarious that Wilson is 5 of 6 on FT's, our best FT shooter this game.
Pack with 3 effing 5.
I'll give Pack credit. Hell of a game. Hope he misses the rest of his shots
This is always how B12 losses go. Dude drops 30+ on an insane night. And then we beat the shit out of them in Lawrence
I'm really disappointed with Remy. I have no idea how that guy can barely make a basket any more. He's damaged, hopefully not beyond repair.
I do think the ole kenpom D rating is going to drop a few tonight lol
If only agbaji could shoot
Really confirming our worst D in the league today though
@wissox said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
I'm really disappointed with Remy. I have no idea how that guy can barely make a basket any more. He's damaged, hopefully not beyond repair.
He was never a good shooter though. He was a volume scorer at ASU because he was all they had for the last years.
wtf Dave
Right on cue Dave for the worst shot of the game
Why?
Dave - situational awareness please
We’re looking a bit gassed
Still in it
No margin for error now
@BeddieKU23 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Right on cue Dave for the worst shot of the game
Still not as bad as Remy's last few shots that killed momentum.
@BeddieKU23 who doesn’t love a 16 footer from a guy who shoots layups at a 50% clip?
Can we get a Svi travel ending?
@Kcmatt7 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Can we get a Svi grave ending?
Refs would probably call the travel today though.
D!
🙏🙏🙏
GREAT CALL REF
Here we go!
Ochai has had enough practice shots he should nail these
Please don’t clank these 3
Ochai!
Fouled the right guy
Gotta make fts
That's not even legal in the NFL
Gotta hit these!
WTF? THATS GOTTA BE 3 FTS
Is that not reviewable?
???
Anything to make us lose
How tf is that not reviewable?
Fuck this crew
How is that not 3 FT's???
Sucks!
@DCHawker said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@BShark Isn't that reviewable????
Apparently not. He was WELL behind the line.
Wow about half a foot behind the line
They should BE fired
I mean, he was still in the air
Bill should get fined tonight. Worth it
BOY DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY KY
@Crimsonorblue22 Happy Birthday
FIRE THEM
Worse than the Bengals-Raiders refs that aren't calling anymore games this year.
Why? Any chance the refs made the right call?
Wasn't even close
OCH clearly behind the line
They evened up the Svi steps :face_with_tears_of_joy:
Half a foot behind the 3 pt line
They have left the door open for us in the last 5 min. step thru it
Wow, that’s a really bad call
OK a stop and a GW bucket and both KSU and the refs can cram it.
Which the announcers are acknowledging...
Defense please
There is no explanation they suck at their job
come on d
Defense
Nice block
play for the last shot here we go
PRAYERS
Play tough and lets win this!
Here we go!
A WIN IS A WIN
Woo!
BOOOM
Wow!!!
Boom!!!
kiss my ass and call me leroy
Fuck yes
I just scared my dog
Can you believe this effort - - just bust ass - - WOW -AWESOME JOB GUYS
Haha! Amazing Ochai!
Just fucking stole this game!!!
LMAO
Hey guys what did I miss?
You could see Pack tightening up as he pulled up for that shot
Just wow
Man, there's no way we deserve to win this game, but watching KSU blow it makes it so much more awesome.
@tundrahok said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Man, there's no way we deserve to win this game, but watching KSU blow it makes it so much more awesome.
That's the best part! Held them to 28 in the second half too
Funny I remember someone declaring this game being over.
how the hell did we win this????
My neighbor heard us
They choked and we finally took it over.
hilarious...
The refs called the Agbaji play a non shooting
whwat?
Refs gave them one more chance
Why?
Nice but ugly win!
@Crimsonorblue22 HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!
Octa - GONE !!! WOO HOO !!!
Holy what an ending!
Still not quite sure I believe what I saw actually happened.....
Wow!!
Holy shit we pulled one out of our ass
Loved the waves to the student section!!!
@Jethro said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
how the hell did we win this????
Duh, we scored more points!
Rock freaking Chalk!
THIS IS A GRITTY MF’ing TEAM!! Only good teams grind that shit out on the road
I'm shaking
I’m not teary eyed. I’m fine.
Held them to 25 2nd half wow.
KSU shooting percentages
First half: Golden State Warriors
Second half: Washington Generals
sORRY FOR LANGUAGE but HOLY CRAP - -AGAIN HOLY CRAP. THIS MAY JUST BE THAT POINT THESE GUYS REALIZE - - MAN WERE NEVER OUT OF ANY GAME. MAYBE A POINT WHERE THIS JUST REALLY PROPELS US DEEP IN THE NCAA- -rock chalk
@BShark said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
KSU shooting percentages
First half: Golden State Warriors
Second half: Washington Generals
LOL my friend - -mercy mercy mercy - -what determination by these guys
@Zabudda said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Held them to 25 2nd half wow.
Wow, that's phenomenal. 50 first half and 25 second. Just wow.
If Bill can get Remy to actually buy in this team can make a FF
@rockchalkwyo said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
I’m not teary eyed. I’m fine.
lmao - - i GOT A HANKY YOU CAN BORROW LOL
Bill Sr. Is smiling somewhere.
That was so unreal. K st can't beat us even with the mentally challenged refs
Wow. Just wow.
Now. #Chiefs can't make us go through this much suffering
🧡❤
@jayballer67 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@rockchalkwyo said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
I’m not teary eyed. I’m fine.
lmao - - i GOT A HANKY YOU CAN BORROW LOL
I may need it. I can say after this game, the players are bought in. That was very emotional
@Kcmatt7 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
If Bill can get Remy to actually buy in this team can make a FF
Me in the twitter group chat: "If Bill benches Remy we win". Said this down 5. I am choosing to believe that Bill heard me. When we HAVE to get stops Remy can't be in.
Remy with no turnovers, 3 assists but 1-6 from the field.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Loved the waves to the student section!!!
you and me both - -- you and me both buddy - what a half
Working 0n Alley oops please.
Listening to post game
Would like to hear what bill said during the half
@StLJhawk said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Would like to hear what bill said during the half
Words like soft come to mind
I think we’re good tbh
9-0 run to finish
Agbaji with 29! Easily could have had 30
Jalen and Dave with double doubles
I don't buy that line about "each game counts equally in the standings." This was massive.
They showed themselves what's possible when you suck it up.
3 road victories in conference. Thank you
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- Ochai with 29 -- - Jalen with 16 & 10 - -- Dave 15 boards
@BeddieKU23 co-mvps. Ochai had 29 and I still thought those two were more important today
@Kcmatt7 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@BShark honestly, just let Remy run the bench group and play volume shooter. At this point the starting 5 is set when Jalen is being what he’s been lately. See if Remy can get hot. If not we suck with subs in anyways
Jalen was the hidden mvp today tbh. 16/10, defended well down the stretch.
Jalen does just not have any fear.
@Zabudda said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Jalen does just not have any fear.
None , so glad to see he has come around -- looking more like last year - - -HUGE
JWill's redemption arc has been wonderful to see.
@Zabudda said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:Unfortunately no defense either
@wissox said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@BShark You quit on this team. Why do you do that? down 6 with 4:30 left and you say it's game. Don't think you can take credit for the win because of a tweet after you doomed the team here!
I made a mid-game meltdown thread too. All in good fun.
@nwhawkfan said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
I don't buy that line about "each game counts equally in the standings." This was massive.
They showed themselves what's possible when you suck it up.
This was a Statement game - - for sure sends a message -- to the league, I think - - the Title runs through the phog. - - 3 HUGE road wins
Upcoming 5 straight ranked teams? We should be battle hardened.
3 straight game winning games where Agbaji is the guy who made the play happen
How are KSU fans doing?
@Zabudda said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Upcoming 5 straight ranked teams? We should be battle hardened.
ya I stated a couple days ago = -brutal stretch - quick turnaround - - Monday Texas Tech
40% for us in 1st half
44% 2nd
45 23 Rebounds
11 turnovers
@BShark said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
How are KSU fans doing?
Oh I'm sure it's a classic meltdown
@BShark said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@wissox said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@BShark You quit on this team. Why do you do that? down 6 with 4:30 left and you say it's game. Don't think you can take credit for the win because of a tweet after you doomed the team here!
I made a mid-game meltdown thread too. All in good fun.
I love when guys who can’t even pick one college team to follow comment on other peoples fandom.
No wonder the Wildcats hate us!
@BShark said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
How are KSU fans doing?
Lmao I love that people think KSU will be able to find another Huggins. They had Underwood and kept Brucey instead… get what you deserve
We outscored them in the 2nd half -- 44-25 in the 2nd half - - -Out rebounded them 45-23 - - - Dave got 11 points & 15 rebounds - - Jalen 16 & 1o and Och 29 what a game
@jayballer67 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Amazing!
@BeddieKU23 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Half a foot behind the 3 pt line
My only contribution today: maybe the refs misunderstood the rule. Two possibilities--they thought it is based on where the shooter came down, or they based it on where the guy committing the foul was standing. Otherwise, got nuthin' here.
On the radio postgame they said he was fouled a little bit before he took the shot. Don't know if the TV replay caught that.
@nwhawkfan said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
On the radio postgame they said he was fouled a little bit before he took the shot. Don't know if the TV replay caught that.
anything under two minutes re viewable - -these idiots didn't even look
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Dying
Reading what you wrote just makes it worse for them. I never thought a player shooting a 3 with plenty of space between himself and the line when shooting could ever be interpreted as anything other then a 3 point play. But I guess referees have a different set of rules
Was there a fu ku chant? I heard it during their fb bowl game! Whatever! 😎
Bramlage was about 3000 short of a full house. Against their biggest rival. Or at least most hated. Dave and Jeff on Jayhawk Gameday Live just said they don't understand it. Why wouldn't their fans show up?
Seems pretty clear to me. We own them, and it's embarrassing for their fans. Tonight just backs that up.
Coach should get the game ball.
Och and JWill did post game. Coach told them more than once how much this game meant to he AND his dad. ❤
Said dajuan at halftime told the team he wasn't going to let pack make as many as he did first half. 20 in 1st and 13 in 2nd. 🙌
HCBS postgame quote: "This might turn out to be a statement win."
Ya think ?
@Crimsonorblue22 Nice birthday win for you. Congrats!
Happy Birthday
@BeddieKU23 Maybe they thought it wasn't reviewable, so they huddled and "determined" that it was a 2 pt attempt.
In all seriousness, the most reasonable suggestion is that they called the foul prior to the shot as @nwhawkfan wrote.
@jayballer67 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
anything under two minutes re viewable - -these idiots didn’t even look
I don't think what @nwhawkfan wrote would be reviewable. If they thought it was a non-shooting foul, they can't review that and then change it to a different foul.
KU outrebounded ksu by 22. Not great for the play hard chart.
@FarmerJayhawk Did you see Wallace WEEPING about CB throwing the ball into the stands as if they weren't chanting F KU all game?
Attendance: 9,737
78%
Capacity: 12,528
Referees: Rick Crawford, Ray Natili, Brooks Wells
Watch his face!
That has to be one of the strangest games I've ever seen. It reminds me when we were down to WVU by 9 with 2 minutes to go, and we came back and won a few years back. You literally stop and go...how'd that happen? That's why you can't give up on this team.
@mayjay said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@jayballer67 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
anything under two minutes re viewable - -these idiots didn’t even look
I don't think what @nwhawkfan wrote would be reviewable. If they thought it was a non-shooting foul, they can't review that and then change it to a different foul.
I dunno, was listening to Coach on post game and he was talking about and Gurley was talking about how they didn't even look and Coach saying he still wasn't understanding it. - -Yet still we found the way to win against the odds what a great run
They said in postgame this is the 1st time in over or at twent years KU has come back and won when being down 17 like that
@mayjay said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@BeddieKU23 Maybe they thought it wasn't reviewable, so they huddled and "determined" that it was a 2 pt attempt.
In all seriousness, the most reasonable suggestion is that they called the foul prior to the shot as @nwhawkfan wrote.
If the foul was called prior to the shot, Dave would've been shooting those FT's instead of Ochai because Ochai wasn't touched until after he was in the air shooting. Refs just screwed up on that call plain and simple.
@wissox said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@Kcmatt7 Is there a rule against cheering for two teams? If you read correctly, I never questioned his fandom, I just asked him why whenever we're losing a game he says that's it, we're going to lose.
Pretty kind revision of what you actually said, which was that he didn’t deserve to celebrate the win… Over a shitpost he makes like every single game lol.
But no rule against rooting for two teams. Seems very loyal of you.
@Kcmatt7 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@BShark said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
How are KSU fans doing?
Lmao I love that people think KSU will be able to find another Huggins. They had Underwood and kept Brucey instead… get what you deserve
They had Frank Martin too that had them in the Elite 8 and regularly ranked.
Stats on JWill's turnaround
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Happy Birthday!
Two late after the fact observations. Remy missed shots and defense was an issue as always, BUT - when he is in the game and dribbling without much seeming purpose or direction, he commands attention and the court opens up for the rest of the guys - our offense as a whole is better when we have 2 true guards. Regarding Dave, he played a big role with his rebounding. The key was that there were less than a handful of plays run for him, and none of his 4 buckets came on those. By not making him play with his back to the basket, where he is very inefficient, it frees him up to face the basket and go after rebounds - and doesn't clog the paint.
What were the letters and or numbers on coaches pullovers?
@Crimsonorblue22 oh found it
@Texas-Hawk-10 I was only speculating over why what @nwhawkfan reported would not be reviewable, not asserting that the refs were right if they did make such a call. I thought my 2 tongue in cheek absurd explanations showed that I think the refs must have erred (sorry, @BeddieKU23, if my facetiousness did not come through).
Agbaji tied his season high with 29.
It's his 11th game over 20 pts. He makes this team as good as they are. He probably earned some real POY points Today
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@tis4tim much happier with that win! Now I’m needing a chiefs wins. Don’t ask for much huh? Thx!
Wanting it all seems like a pretty reasonable request to me!
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@BeddieKU23 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Agbaji tied his season high with 29.
It's his 11th game over 20 pts. He makes this team as good as they are. He probably earned some real POY points Today
OCh has become that Alpha I spoke of. A guy that is more then willing to step up this yr and wanting to take that shot at crucial time. - He is I think the leader I've been looking for . In past yrs he would of not been anywhere to be found he had a tendency to disappear - - not so this yr. - -I think this truly was a statement game for the guys
I have a confession to make.
I pretty much gave up on this game. I had to watch the replay late at night, was tired and cranky and started fast forwarding when we were down a ton of points. I ended up at the moment late in the game when they were wondering why Och wasn’t shooting 3 FTs. Somehow it worked out. No clue how they came back, but happy they did.
A quick look at the box score tells me Och and Wilson were the offensive studs. Dave too.
Starting to worry about Braun’s lack of scoring ability in league play. I’d have to go back and look at his game numbers, but seems like he’s come back to earth? I did see he made some nice plays though.
Always good to win on the road. Hard not to be critical, but always nice to beat the purple pussycats.
@Crimsonorblue22 happy birthday!
@rockchalkjayhawk said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
I have a confession to make.
I pretty much gave up on this game. I had to watch the replay late at night, was tired and cranky and started fast forwarding when we were down a ton of points. I ended up at the moment late in the game when they were wondering why Och wasn’t shooting 3 FTs. Somehow it worked out. No clue how they came back, but happy they did.A quick look at the box score tells me Och and Wilson were the offensive studs. Dave too.
Starting to worry about Braun’s lack of scoring ability in league play. I’d have to go back and look at his game numbers, but seems like he’s come back to earth? I did see he made some nice plays though.
Always good to win on the road. Hard not to be critical, but always nice to beat the purple pussycats.
Braun was who kept the game “close” most of the game. He was the answer to every kstate run. Whether it was a three when the crowd was roaring or a drive and free throws to end a drought. He didn’t score a lot but every time he did was important.
Bill was drawing up plays for Och late instead of Dave. <3
@BShark said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Bill was drawing up plays for Och late instead of Dave. <3
Shouldn't be any other way tbh. Och with the ball in his hand has either made the play that set up the winner or made the game winner in 3 of our last 4 games. He is shining under pressure. It's great to see
This team is learning how to win. They looked tough in the 2nd half. Och was on a level I had never seen before. He took over the game- he wasn't playing. I've been waiting so long to see that determination and moxie from him. The whole team was literally flying all over the court. They wanted to get this win for Coach Self, and found a way.
@BeddieKU23 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
@BShark said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
Bill was drawing up plays for Och late instead of Dave. <3
Shouldn't be any other way tbh. Och with the ball in his hand has either made the play that set up the winner or made the game winner in 3 of our last 4 games. He is shining under pressure. It's great to see
Gotta put your best player in a position to make plays for sure.
The 3 and the short range shot for Och against KSU late was the same play with a different decision by Och.
End of the OU game was a whole lotta Och too.
@Jethro said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
This team is learning how to win. They looked tough in the 2nd half. Och was on a level I had never seen before. He took over the game- he wasn't playing. I've been waiting so long to see that determination and moxie from him. The whole team was literally flying all over the court. They wanted to get this win for Coach Self, and found a way.
Juan's attitude is infectious. That's why he is a leader and Bill loves him. You bet your ass Och/JWill etc could see the way he was getting up on Pack the 2nd half.
I think this team is so poised the whole game. No overt displays on either end. After every play they you can watch their faces and the look is "I need to get back or I need to get into the correct position. Even Remy when he misses an assignment seems to acknowledge that and moves where he should be. He's gonna explode one of these games. His defense not because of lack of effort. He passes up in rhythm shots and clanks up outside of the flow. He was 1/6 Fg with 3 assists.
Jalen is a one stoic tough stud who will stick his nose into any place that needs it. Good ffinisher at the rim too.
Dave is only mysterious to himself. Never complains just gives it his all.
That game took KUs D rating on Kenpom from 33rd to 46th 😑
Definitely still work to be done putting two half’s together. This team can guard when they want to. At least the starting 5 can
I think we are just seeing normal up and downs from players like Braun. He was killer in the non conference where he feasted on guys who couldn't stop him from getting to the basket. He is still impacting the game on both ends as we saw by the OU game winner or the fact he is 3rd in the conference in blocks as a wing. He boards, he has toughness and had 5 assists yesterday. He is missing some shots that went in earlier as his fg % has dipped in conf play but I do think we are going to see him continue to be one of our 4 most important players the rest of the season.
I think the emergence of Wilson is also taking pressure off Braun since he has been in the starting lineup. Remy really wasn't scoring when he started so Braun had to shoulder more scoring and there was that 7 or so game stretch he was just on fire. CB is a good 2nd or 3rd option on offense with the ability to take over games if needed or exploit favorable matchups. He is 100% a better player then he was last yr and confidence is finally there for him to take advantage
@Kcmatt7 said in Octagon of Room Game Thread:
That game took KUs D rating on Kenpom from 33rd to 46th 😑
Definitely still work to be done putting two half’s together. This team can guard when they want to. At least the starting 5 can
Deserved after that first half like holy crap.
@BeddieKU23 I generally agree about Braun, but his poor shooting against better teams is a concern going forward. Biggest difference this year is he isn't a black hole when his shot isn't falling. He's still finding other ways to positively impact games which he didn't do last season and has been huge for this team.
I also still believe this team has to find a way to get Remy going on offense if they're going to have any chance of making a run in the NCAA Tournament.
Yeah his shooting has dipped because he is having to score against better players, athletes. I do think he is missing shots that he can make or has made for that matter. At least yesterday he found a way to get to the FT line which has been a major concern for this team lately, not just getting there but making them as well. Hopefully he continues to find a consistent offensive game as we get further down the road.
As disappointing as Remy has been lately I agree that getting him playing at a high level is the last piece this team needs. I really don't know if he is going to buckle down and get there though. We have kind of expected him to be this highly efficient scorer which he has shown at times but it does look like he thrives on volume and freedom. As I've heard in the past Remy kind of thrives on making the bad shot which Self will always hate. His defense is well below par and Remy is just small and average athletically where he doesn't seem to get the easy bucket. I find it surprising that it's really all in his head because we have seen Remy in the past play against KU and be a real pain in the A to stop. The fact it's late January and he's kind of mentally playing like a freshman concerns me
Anyone heard any explanation on the blown free throw call at the end of the game? Seems like such a call should have some kind of response from officials at some point. Imagine KU ends up losing by 1… I would just love to hear an explanation or an admission of just a flat blown call.
There won't be one because KU won. I had a hard time sleeping last night because imo this is the worst call an officiating crew has made in years. I know there have been other egregious examples but its just blows my mind the outcome of that play. Hopefully KU sent this to the Big-12 for review. Hopefully anyone did
Newell asked the Big-12 and while I don't have access to the star, they have basically bent down at the knees for their officials.
This is why nobody has faith in officials. Just making up rules as they go
I bet they said it was a non-shooting foul. Which is stupid af but that’s the only explanation
Just read an article and they got ahold of Big 12 Coordinator Sunday Morning - - - Curtis Shaw.
This they said is how he explained the call. - - Saying the shooter Och had returned to the floor , so the act of shooting had ended. - - Therefore it becomes a 1 and 1 but seeing as KU was in the Double Bonus they were awarded the two shots. - - Sounds pretty bogus but what the hell
Hard to return to the floor when your legs are taken out.
Video don't lie but people do
His feet do look like they could be barely touching right when he was hit, but I think his landing certainly wasn't complete. Bad call because they saw it wrong, but at least that explanation makes sense even if they got the timing wrong.
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