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Brockington of ISU going pro

Tech's McCullar declares while maintaining eligibility.

Miles of TCU is undecided whether to return or pursue professional options. Interesting, it did not sound like he would declare and leave the option available to come back. Either or situation

I put this on some time back. -pack from K/State entering the NBA draft - -or exploring although he didn't mention that

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Miles of TCU is undecided whether to return or pursue professional options. Interesting, it did not sound like he would declare and leave the option available to come back. Either or situation

Get that man an NIL deal and to Lawrence.

Anyone think JWill comes back? I think at this point probably not and definitely not if we win the ship.

@Eric-san said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Anyone think JWill comes back? I think at this point probably not and definitely not if we win the ship.

I think if we win it all you don't see CB or JWill back. But that is just my guess.

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@Kcmatt7 I think they'll be back. I think they'll test, they need to score consistently. Jwill can't hit outside and CB lacks confidence.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@Kcmatt7 I think they'll be back. I think they'll test, they need to score consistently. Jwill can't hit outside and CB lacks confidence.

I'm thinking one stays one goes and I lean towards CB staying.

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It worked. :)

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

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It worked. :)

have been hearing w might be in better shape then I thought about him actually showing

I don't know if this has been posted in herre or not - -not really any big surprise but Akingo & Brown from Baylor has entered the Draft

Love Jalen. Absolutely love him. Great season after a rough start. Great tournament. Great competitor. But as far as the NBA goes…what does he do at an NBA level? Not an elite athlete. Not an elite shooter. Not an elite ball handler. Tall but not long and not sure he can actually dunk. Why would he go into the draft?

James Akinjo & Kendall Brown have declared for the draft & will hire agents. Big losses for Baylor. Hopefully that Sochan will join them

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

James Akinjo & Kendall Brown have declared for the draft & will hire agents. Big losses for Baylor. Hopefully that Sochan will join them

Ha I had just posted that a few hours before this lol - it's all good

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

James Akinjo & Kendall Brown have declared for the draft & will hire agents. Big losses for Baylor. Hopefully that Sochan will join them

Byyyyyyyyyyye

@jayballer67

Yup missed it. It was worth repeating!! haha

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

James Akinjo & Kendall Brown have declared for the draft & will hire agents. Big losses for Baylor. Hopefully that Sochan will join them

Byyyyyyyyyyye

When Kendall committed to Baylor I thought it was a big deal. However after watching his season at Baylor and now him leaving I think we did fine not landing him. Good for him he's getting to the league after a year. But we good

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

James Akinjo & Kendall Brown have declared for the draft & will hire agents. Big losses for Baylor. Hopefully that Sochan will join them

Byyyyyyyyyyye

When Kendall committed to Baylor I thought it was a big deal. However after watching his season at Baylor and now him leaving I think we did fine not landing him. Good for him he's getting to the league after a year. But we good

Right or wrong, I always thought he was a poor man's version of Jalen Wilson.

@Jethro said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

James Akinjo & Kendall Brown have declared for the draft & will hire agents. Big losses for Baylor. Hopefully that Sochan will join them

Byyyyyyyyyyye

When Kendall committed to Baylor I thought it was a big deal. However after watching his season at Baylor and now him leaving I think we did fine not landing him. Good for him he's getting to the league after a year. But we good

Right or wrong, I always thought he was a poor man's version of Jalen Wilson.

I agree from watching this yr I just WASN'T that impressed with him. I dunno seemed to lack aggressiveness could be being a freshman deferring to upper but just thought he would be more assertive

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@jayballer67

Yup missed it. It was worth repeating!! haha

lmao - - yup it is- - any other team league players leaving - - ummm CYA

@Jethro

I don't know about that but I can see why you'd say that. Right now one is going to be a 1st round pick and the other (Wilson) may not get drafted at all (depending on when he leaves).

I think Wilson's ticket to changing NBA minds is to come back another season, take on a bigger role & in the offseason improve his shooting form/shot preparation & work on becoming an even better athlete/defender. He really is a below the rim player on offense but you watch him board on defense and he's a really good athlete at times. He's still reaching his ceiling imo and I'd like to see it continue in a KU uniform

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@Jethro

I don't know about that but I can see why you'd say that. Right now one is going to be a 1st round pick and the other (Wilson) may not get drafted at all (depending on when he leaves).

I think Wilson's ticket to changing NBA minds is to come back another season, take on a bigger role & in the offseason improve his shooting form/shot preparation & work on becoming an even better athlete/defender. He really is a below the rim player on offense but you watch him board on defense and he's a really good athlete at times. He's still reaching his ceiling imo and I'd like to see it continue in a KU uniform

I thought Jalen outplayed him, but I know the NBA drafts for future talent, and his upside is higher than JW.

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

James Akinjo & Kendall Brown have declared for the draft & will hire agents. Big losses for Baylor. Hopefully that Sochan will join them

Byyyyyyyyyyye

When Kendall committed to Baylor I thought it was a big deal. However after watching his season at Baylor and now him leaving I think we did fine not landing him. Good for him he's getting to the league after a year. But we good

Ultimately if KJ Adams transfers out, it's basically a wash on that one as I don't think KB would have changed much about the team this year. If anything maybe minutes are more congested and JWill doesn't have his metamorphosis.

@Jethro

Mostly comparable stats but both played big roles on their teams success. Definitely Brown's an athlete with the size to be drafted and developed.

@BShark

True we basically got Adams right after Brown went to Baylor. Hopefully KJ sticks around but the portal iz what it iz now...

I think Jalen's best ticket is to return no matter what. Then... go into complete muscle-building mode in the off-season. Then work on jump shot, handles, and defense. There is a limit what he can do for his athleticism, but he could become a true mean-ass junkyard dog that has a chance on the right NBA roster. It's a long shot because he will truly have to sacrifice everything and more to build into this Marvel character!

Jarred Sutton I believe his name was on WHB 810 this morning and they were talking about Oachai - -And he was saying absolute lock 1st round -- talked about which kind of suprised me talking about how good he is defensively. Many , many good things about Oach

Not Big-12 or KU but relevant as Drew Timme is finally going pro.

Some others of importance Tyty Washington leaving UK & Kennedy Chandler leaving Tennessee after 1 year.

@BeddieKU23 and everyone can breathe a sigh of relief.

Zags came out of this little run with no championships and look like they’ll be down a bit next season.

@Kcmatt7

Yeah they will still be solid given Hickman, Salis, Strawther, Watson to return as far as I've seen so that's a solid 4. But they have zero recruits of notice so imagine they are about to go portal heavy to fill in the cracks. Definitely need 1-2 bigs and another shooter to come in

@BeddieKU23 The only guy I've seen be able to successfully replace 4+ starters and still be a contender the next season is Bill... They'll need to hit home runs in the transfer market.

@Kcmatt7

I agree they will have a drop off regardless of what they assemble

I wonder what the rest of their league will look like. St Mary’s has proven to be a problem for Gonzaga lately.

Going to be splitting CB/JWill yeppp.

@BShark Please explain "splitting CB and Wilson."

@stoptheflop said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BShark Please explain "splitting CB and Wilson."

I'd say with 95% confidence CB goes pro (and is drafted) and we get Jalen back.

I have a different feeling, CB comes back, Jalen declares.

I have a different feeling , I think they BOTH go

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@stoptheflop said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BShark Please explain "splitting CB and Wilson."

I'd say with 95% confidence CB goes pro (and is drafted) and we get Jalen back.

I'll plunk a :crystal_ball: on this.

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@stoptheflop said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BShark Please explain "splitting CB and Wilson."

I'd say with 95% confidence CB goes pro (and is drafted) and we get Jalen back.

I'll plunk a :crystal_ball: on this.

Yea the NC always changes the calculus on stuff like this. I feel like it did that for the 08 team too

I think they both go. But that entirely depends on Jwills NBA feedback. If his measureables arent good he will have to decide if being the man for another season would help him.

@Kcmatt7 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@stoptheflop said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BShark Please explain "splitting CB and Wilson."

I'd say with 95% confidence CB goes pro (and is drafted) and we get Jalen back.

I'll plunk a :crystal_ball: on this.

Yea the NC always changes the calculus on stuff like this. I feel like it did that for the 08 team too

It definitely does.

I want to say more about JWill but I'm not sure how to word it. Never know who ends up reading these boards. :thinking_face:

@BShark thats when you create another account like @CDolphin or something else equally untraceable…

Or add me to the dm list? :)

I can prob create a category behind the auth wall if that helps

@approxinfinity said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

I can prob create a category behind the auth wall if that helps

Some kind of secret board could be interesting tbh.

The only thing I'll say about JWill - 6'8 guys with plus rebounding who can shoot .263 from deep are a dime a dozen in the league. If he goes pro right now, he will either play for peanuts domestically or end up overseas. All of which are not in world-class facilities and arenas.

KU presents an alternative. He will probably make almost as much as the G-League would pay if he came back with an opportunity to work his way into the draft. To me, it is a no-brainer decision. But I get some guys just want to play ball.

@BShark I know where this is going...Can I join? Please? Man, you cool guys always form a secret clique... Will you have decoder rings???

Can I also be in the secret society? :)

Decoder rings pog.

The tl;dr is that things are going strongly towards JWill being back. He isn't really draftable.

seen latest for players from some site I think it was called rookie take I believe - had Ochai 22nd to the Spurs -& Christan as the # 32 pick to Magic

@approxinfinity said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

I think they both go. But that entirely depends on Jwills NBA feedback. If his measureables arent good he will have to decide if being the man for another season would help him.

Spoiler alert: It will. (see Ochai)

The parade starts at 2PM. Here's a link to watch it:

https://kuathletics.com/ ↗

Baylor forward Jeremy Sochan declared for the draft today.

@Kcmatt7 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BeddieKU23 and everyone can breathe a sigh of relief.

Zags came out of this little run with no championships and look like they’ll be down a bit next season.

They had a nice run from 2015 to now. A pair of Elite Eights, three Sweet 16s, a pair of trips to the title game and a top 5 team in the lost 2020 season. That would be a tough pill to swallow to get that close basically every year for eight postseasons and have no titles. That's somewhat reminiscent of the Phi Slamma Jamma Houston Cougars of the 1980s, who went to three straight Final Fours, and back to back title games, but never won the Big One, losing to the Jordan-Worthy-Perkins UNC team in 1982, the Jim Valvano NC State squad in 1983, and the Patrick Ewing led Georgetown team in 1984.

Weird to get that close that often and never break through.

@justanotherfan said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Weird to get that close that often and never break through.

Buffalo Bills on line 1.

Former West Virginia Mountaineer and current Kentucky Wildcat Oscar Tshiebwe announced he is returning to Kentucky today. That's big time for UK and should make them even more attractive to transfers.

Nembhard leaving Gonzaga. They losing a lot & haven't signed squat in HS or transfer portal so far

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Nembhard leaving Gonzaga. They losing a lot & haven't signed squat in HS or transfer portal so far

Ya they had quite little run, but looks like this might be a bumpy year for them

Jalen has representation.
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@Gorilla72 The firm he's using has an NCAA certified agent so Jalen can still come back if he chooses to.

Guys like CB and JWil need to get NBA feedback... this is a must! Realistically... they both should realize how much they improved this past 12 months, think about how much they can improve in the next 12 months, and make a decision. From my perspective, they should both return and use Och as the example of why it pays to have patience and continue to work hard.

@drgnslayr said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Guys like CB and JWil need to get NBA feedback... this is a must! Realistically... they both should realize how much they improved this past 12 months, think about how much they can improve in the next 12 months, and make a decision. From my perspective, they should both return and use Och as the example of why it pays to have patience and continue to work hard.

Wilson already has his NBA feed back so he probably knew

@jayballer67 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@drgnslayr said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Guys like CB and JWil need to get NBA feedback... this is a must! Realistically... they both should realize how much they improved this past 12 months, think about how much they can improve in the next 12 months, and make a decision. From my perspective, they should both return and use Och as the example of why it pays to have patience and continue to work hard.

Wilson already has his NBA feed back so he probably knew

It's a no brainer to get updated feed post championship.

@drgnslayr said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Guys like CB and JWil need to get NBA feedback... this is a must! Realistically... they both should realize how much they improved this past 12 months, think about how much they can improve in the next 12 months, and make a decision. From my perspective, they should both return and use Och as the example of why it pays to have patience and continue to work hard.

Wilson really didn't improve very much this season and probably actually hurt his stock this year with his drop off in outside shooting. Jalen is projected as a 3 at the NBA level and has to show that he consistently make an outside shot and be able to take a player off the dribble which isn't very good at either. His rebounding and transition game are pluses, but I honestly don't ever see Jalen catching on in the NBA. He doesn't shoot well enough to be a stretch 4 and not athletic enough to be a 3 at the NBA level.

Braun needs to stay in the draft to me. I don't think he can boost his stock into the lottery the Agbaji did because Braun is an average defender whereas Agbaji is an above average defender that can guard 1-4.

You don't need to get into the lottery. Just the 1st round to get guaranteed money, right?

CB has a hard time flipping his on switch. Usually somebody turns it on at half. Damn he could be good if he would do both halves.

@mayjay said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

You don't need to get into the lottery. Just the 1st round to get guaranteed money, right?

https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/05/10/in-the-money-second-round-picks-cash-in-guaranteed-contracts-at-exceedingly-high-rates/ ↗

So where did the smu guy pick? Memphis? I Heard.

Didn't Frank get guaranteed money, but then they sent him to g league. Death wish team

@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

So where did the smu guy pick? Memphis? I Heard.

Yes it was.

CB announcing he will test NBA waters on Sunday - per twitter

@Kcmatt7 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

CB announcing he will test NBA waters on Sunday - per twitter

We knew that was coming. - I just fully believe he won't be back. don't think like same as some others don't think he can really improve his draft that much by returning

Good for him, but bummer for us.

Was cruising the mock drafts to see where CB is expected to go, and found this gem comparison for any old schoolers:

46 Kansas – HT: 6-6 – WT: 205 – WING: NA – Jr – Braun is a complete player and a crafty scorer who could find a role at the NBA level. Comparison: CRAIG EHLO

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Good for him, but bummer for us.

Was cruising the mock drafts to see where CB is expected to go, and found this gem comparison for any old schoolers:

46 Kansas – HT: 6-6 – WT: 205 – WING: NA – Jr – Braun is a complete player and a crafty scorer who could find a role at the NBA level. Comparison: CRAIG EHLO
He can still come back if he chooses

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Statement from CB. :crown:

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

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Statement from CB. :crown:

Knew this was happeing -we all did or should have. - -Said it before - - say it again - - he not coming back no matter how much he loves KU - -on top of ballin - -he is smart

@jayballer67 yeah. He gone. Good for him. Sure was fun to watch him play. Will miss his competitiveness

@Oldmanhawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@jayballer67 yeah. He gone. Good for him. Sure was fun to watch him play. Will miss his competitiveness

I will too. Thing for me is and there are some here that don't/won't like it BUT I loved Christan's edge he had to him - -that dawg - some arrogance he had maybe cockiness. I love guys that show some fire a guy that shows emotion If he can walk the walk as well as talk the talk - then more power to him , love to see him rile some fans up , players up. playing a man's game instead of walking the floor emotionless and acting like zombies - Christan had THAT FIRE " bitch " LOL - SORRY but THAT'S what I'm talking about after a dunk you very much a fire paly a game changing play I want to see EMOTION from the players- -- Christan has that

80% gone imo. Definitely plans to go. Could be a late miracle or something changes with his draft grade etc

@Texas-Hawk-10

Where do you see these guys going in the draft?

Ever sports analysts saying that hes gonna leave his NCAA eligibility open

Now that it's looking like more and more we lose Jalen AND CB BOTH - of course doesn't surprise me. Jalen may not be NBA but if not I think he still leaves and plays somewhere making money. - The roster for sure gonna have a new look to it.

@JAYHAWKFAN214 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Ever sports analysts saying that hes gonna leave his NCAA eligibility open

This is confirmed yes. He would have been dumb not to do so.

@drgnslayr said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Where do you see these guys going in the draft?

Wilson isn't getting drafted and should come back, Braun's best case scenario is he kills it at the combine and workouts and is a late 1st round pick. More likely, Braun grades out as an early to mid 2nd round pick amd his decision likely comes down to how much coming back and improving his consistency helps his draft stock next season. I think more than likely, Braun has played his last game for KU.

Does J-Will have an NIL with anyone? I understand G-League pays around $36K per season average. A good NIL would be an incentive to return and also to continue course work.

It feels like we are just scratching the surface of how lucrative NILs can be. Having an advertising presence can help build a brand that someone who is social media savvy (like Jalen maybe) might capitalize on after college whether or not he goes league

Perhaps the least surprising announcement in regards to a players future, Ochai Agbaji officially declared for the draft today.

https://kuathletics.com/ochai-agbaji-absolutely-no-regrets/ ↗

The whole thread, made me cry. What a thoughtful guy. 💙❤️🙏

@Crimsonorblue22 Might be the best farewell I have seen. I like the challenge to the next group of Jayhawks to take it to the next level!

From the ku athletics article linked above: "All the great things I’ve achieved this season are all well and good, but I’m going into a grown man’s league. No matter where I’m drafted, I’m going to have to fight my way in. That’s why it’s so useful to me that I’ve always had a chip on my shoulder, and I don’t see it going away any time soon. I still feel like I’m undervalued — just like I was coming out of high school, just like I was entering my senior year at KU. That motivates me. I’m not done working yet, and I think I still have a whole other level my game can reach."

@drgnslayr You may have been on to something with that whole chip thing.

Mindset of a future NBA champion imo

@mayjay that's a wonderful upbringing

@approxinfinity said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

It feels like we are just scratching the surface of how lucrative NILs can be. Having an advertising presence can help build a brand that someone who is social media savvy (like Jalen maybe) might capitalize on after college whether or not he goes league

If I win the Powerball tonight, there WILL be a Jethro NIL.

Would Caleb Love have returned to school without NIL in place?

@approxinfinity yes 100%

To expound upon this, this is largely the same stuff that has been in place. It's boosters paying kids, but now it's legal in a still roundabout, but more public way. Love is a guy that would have been lucky to be drafted in the 2nd round (my personal guess is undrafted). I'm sure he got some feedback without putting his name in, and it's more lucrative for him to stay at UNC than grind in the gleague or Europe. Just look at the strong history programs like UNC, Duke, UK and to a lesser extent KU have with maintaining fringe draft talents. In the past if this system had been in place you would have seen more guys that ultimately stayed "declare and test" first. Everything is just much more public now, for better or worse.

@Jethro said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@approxinfinity said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

It feels like we are just scratching the surface of how lucrative NILs can be. Having an advertising presence can help build a brand that someone who is social media savvy (like Jalen maybe) might capitalize on after college whether or not he goes league

If I win the Powerball tonight, there WILL be a Jethro NIL.

Please do it on the football side lol

@Kcmatt7 yeah hoops is relatively cheap. Anything beyond sustaining excellence for hoops should go to football.

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@Kcmatt7 yeah hoops is relatively cheap. Anything beyond sustaining excellence for hoops should go to football.

For the love of all that is holy just get enough to land a few local kids over KSU. Has to happen. LL might need to be more selective with targets, but they've got to find a way.

@Kcmatt7 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@Kcmatt7 yeah hoops is relatively cheap. Anything beyond sustaining excellence for hoops should go to football.

For the love of all that is holy just get enough to land a few local kids over KSU. Has to happen. LL might need to be more selective with targets, but they've got to find a way.

KSU's package is not that impressive, which in turn says something not great about ours lol.

@Kcmatt7 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@Kcmatt7 yeah hoops is relatively cheap. Anything beyond sustaining excellence for hoops should go to football.

For the love of all that is holy just get enough to land a few local kids over KSU. Has to happen. LL might need to be more selective with targets, but they've got to find a way.

We're in good shape for a couple (Calvin Clements, Tre Richardson, Sam Same). The bigger names will take some time and success on the field to really get a foothold. Not for lack of trying. Coaches are all over the state recruiting this week. Fuchs is working hard on Otting, and Zebrowski is still working Avery Johnson. Have to up to the end.

@FarmerJayhawk Better than NEATDEAL's approach at least. Plus Lance not being senile (Les) surely helps.

Hopefully we see more than 2 wins this year.

Saw this off the latest mock draft off ESPN. - - Abaji - - going 1st round- - 14th pick to Cleveland - - & Christan - - going 1st round 28th pick to Golden State

If this comes true tell me when is the last time KU has had 2 guys taken in the 1st round of the NBA draft ? - - Have we EVER had two players taken in the 1st round ? - Serious question - -I honestly don't know

@jayballer67 2014 Wiggins and Embiid

Surely the NIL rules change the equation somewhat though @BShark . Doesnt transparency and consistency in the NIL market allow for more clear comparison to pay at the pro level, causing an increase in pay for some to make it equitable, and more clarity in the decision making process? Is there anyone you would say at this point that stayed when they would have not stayed before? Tschiebwe maybe?

@approxinfinity Remember when UNC returned their roster after 08?

@BShark :) sure, sean may got onto the bus to success. There has to be quite a few ppl, maybe not bluebloods.

I'm a pretty firm believer that NIL is just putting a public face on this stuff. Not sure on Oscar, he genuinely seems to love it at UK and isn't draftable.

@approxinfinity whoops sean may was 05, was thinking about another roster

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

I'm a pretty firm believer that NIL is just putting a public face on this stuff. Not sure on Oscar, he genuinely seems to love it at UK and isn't draftable.

Also I think what it also does it change the narrative that this stuff is illegal when its not. For generations we were led to believe that kids getting paid was OMG illegal. It's happened for so long but now its in the open and kids can finally capitalize. Of course that doesn't come with its share of growing pains or control that should perhaps be in place.

Not an NBA Draft decision, but former Texas Tech forward Marcus Santos-Silva signed a free agent contract with the Cleveland Browns to try and make their team as a TE.

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@approxinfinity Remember when UNC returned their roster after 08?

I remember... and unless they get hit with bad luck next year (like injuries), I expect them to be a FF team again and be favored to win it because their chip factor will be off the charts!

Still doesn't guarantee them anything. Look at the Zags.

I like Hubert Davis... but I'm still not sold on him being ready for the trophy. He did have his guys in the championship game this year. Time will tell.

I'm not totally buying in on the ESPN concept of our starting lineup next year. But even looking at it their way... if CB decides to come back, imagine this with CB:

Projected starting lineup:

Dajuan Harris Jr., (5.4 PPG)

Gradey Dick (No. 14 in ESPN 100)

M.J. Rice (No. 30 in ESPN 100)

Jalen Wilson (11.0 PPG)

Ernest Udeh (No. 23 in ESPN 100)

Then look at the developing talent we have on the bench already. Think about KJ and Zach fighting for minutes in the post.

What if we added McCullar to this mix? He's that utility guard Self always likes who can give minutes anywhere from the 2 to 4. He would add a great amount of toughness and physicality to our team.

KJ reminds me of Pierre Russell when he played at KU (yes, I’m that old). I don’t see KJ at the 5, but as a strong rebounding and inside scoring 4. But Self hasn’t gone that way in the past, has he?

@drgnslayr I have mocked this already but Zach is starting. I also see at most one of the FR wings starting. Bill would never start 3 FR.

Pass so hard on McCullar. Super mega pass.

Dude cannot shoot. He doesn't finish well at the rim. He is probably more of a below the rim player than Jalen and that's saying something. There have been at least 10 portal players I would rather have than Kevin McCullar.

@Kcmatt7 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Pass so hard on McCullar. Super mega pass.

Dude cannot shoot. He doesn't finish well at the rim. He is probably more of a below the rim player than Jalen and that's saying something. There have been at least 10 portal players I would rather have than Kevin McCullar.

Council over him ALL DAY. Council is IMPROVING and a better athlete.

@BShark My thing with him is that do we really want to see him play over Dick or Rice? What is he bringing to the table that would be worth 25 mpg lost from development of two dudes who have a fantastic shot at playing in the league?

If we are going to watch a guy play over our 5* freshman, please let it be someone with similar upside.

@Kcmatt7 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Pass so hard on McCullar. Super mega pass.

Dude cannot shoot. He doesn't finish well at the rim. He is probably more of a below the rim player than Jalen and that's saying something. There have been at least 10 portal players I would rather have than Kevin McCullar.

I was hoping we wouldn't have to see that name come up again. -I'm like you with a very hard NOOOOOO ! there is nothing about him that I'm interested in just does not impress me, never has - -never will

I love Dick, but I think he needs a good year to develop into an effective D1 player. He needs muscle.

I would take McCullar all day long. Not for his offense. But he's a defensive stopper for everything but a 5. Those guys don't grow on trees. I remember this exact same argument said about Marcus. Exact.

What did we win with Marcus on the roster though?

ETA: I think Marcus is a MUCH better defender/athlete too.

@BShark

I don't think that is a fair comment. 2020 was a definite NC team. Plus, one guy doesn't make a NC. I would gobble up another Marcus all day long. Both of these guys are great defenders, but have slightly different assets.

Who do we have now as a stopper?

My statement holds true. I remember singularly defending Marcus through much of his KU career.

@drgnslayr said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BShark

I don't think that is a fair comment. 2020 was a definite NC team. Plus, one guy doesn't make a NC. I would gobble up another Marcus all day long. Both of these guys are great defenders, but have slightly different assets.

Who do we have now as a stopper?

My statement holds true. I remember singularly defending Marcus through much of his KU career.

for one Juan not to shabby

@jayballer67

Juan is good against a PG... someone not too physical.

How is Juan against an athletic 3 or 4?

@BShark

I like Council, too. But I have to admit I fall in love with players easily because I always see potential.

Council's trey shooting fell off last year to around 30%. He's very athletic but I still see McCullar as a more stable player. He takes care of the ball well and I like his passing. He has good court awareness, too. McCullar is a MUCH BETTER defender! I just think his fundamentals are better than most guys coming through the portal, including Council. I think both of these guys will shoot a higher trey % at KU because we will be able to run better offense. TT didn't even have a PG and WSU's offense was pure chaos with almost no structure.

Council has some great highlight plays... but I would trade the glitter for a rock solid defender any day of the week... especially for next year's team.

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

What did we win with Marcus on the roster though?

ETA: I think Marcus is a MUCH better defender/athlete too.

We got to a Final Four and likely would've won a natty. Pretty good career

If I'm Self right now... I'm looking for defense for next year because we are going to be lacking. McCullar would shore up a lot of defensive holes.

@FarmerJayhawk Yeah the FF with him in his proper role of super sub utility wing man. Clearly we were robbed in 2020, so my comment is a bit unfair.

McCullar is at the bottom of my list, of everyone KU has been linked with. Bill would get the best out of Council, who is already showing signs of being a great defender.

I just can't see adding McCullar to have both FR come off the bench.

I think this is mostly moot anyway, if we just slot Mosley into CB's spot that's PROBABLY a wrap. Though I think it would work out better for both sides if we added another big guard and Joe found another MVC school. This assumes we strike out on Hunter, who is my top preference after Mosley.

But then you'd be looking at...

Juan

Transfer

Mosley

Wilson

Zach

With Bob, Gradey, MJ, bench big of your choosing as the rotation. I could see Bill tinkering a lot early on as we have a lot of 5s and all offer different things.

@Gorilla72 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

KJ reminds me of Pierre Russell when he played at KU (yes, I’m that old). I don’t see KJ at the 5, but as a strong rebounding and inside scoring 4. But Self hasn’t gone that way in the past, has he?

Darnell Jackson??

@BShark I know it's a pipedream, but I'm hoping to have Hunter fill the 2 spot. I know he is also a smaller guard, but he was a great defender last year and was a huge part of ISU making it as far in the tourney as they did. Bill has shown he loves having two primary ball handlers on the floor at the same time, but I'm not sure how Hunter feels about sharing PG duties with Juan. From what little I've heard, Tyrese wasn't sold on the idea of playing with Juan, but I don't really know.

If that doesn't work out, then maybe Malachi Smith? Terrific rebounder and a go to bucket getter. I haven't seen him announce any kind of list of interested parties, but I'd be very surprised if we haven't reached out already. This of course would mean someone has to be shown the door unfortunately, but Mosley + Hunter/Smith would be at the top of my wishlist.

@PharmacyHawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BShark I know it's a pipedream, but I'm hoping to have Hunter fill the 2 spot. I know he is also a smaller guard, but he was a great defender last year and was a huge part of ISU making it as far in the tourney as they did. Bill has shown he loves having two primary ball handlers on the floor at the same time, but I'm not sure how Hunter feels about sharing PG duties with Juan. From what little I've heard, Tyrese wasn't sold on the idea of playing with Juan, but I don't really know.

If that doesn't work out, then maybe Malachi Smith? Terrific rebounder and a go to bucket getter. I haven't seen him announce any kind of list of interested parties, but I'd be very surprised if we haven't reached out already. This of course would mean someone has to be shown the door unfortunately, but Mosley + Hunter/Smith would be at the top of my wishlist.

Agree! I haven't seen that we have reached out to Smith, but he is a great player.

My wishlist in order is Mosley, Hunter, Council, McCullar in terms of who we are known to have reached out to and are in solid standing with.

From what has been shared recently it really seems like we will only have one spot to fill. I won't go into details since it's in premium but Bossi was very clear on 247 premium about it.

@Kcmatt7 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Pass so hard on McCullar. Super mega pass.

Dude cannot shoot. He doesn't finish well at the rim. He is probably more of a below the rim player than Jalen and that's saying something. There have been at least 10 portal players I would rather have than Kevin McCullar.

He's really slow and methodical. We need some quickness.

Mercy seen in a draft off CBS that had Ochai going # 7 to the Kings. Mercy , now come on be honest who in Earth would of ever thought Ochai would EVER have a chance to be drafted that high when he 1st stepped foot on Campus?- I figured he would be solid/good but projected at # 7 ? - Jumpin Gee Hossie Fats Maynard.

Also saw they had Christan as the # 25th pick going to the Spurs - - Awesome

@Jethro said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@Kcmatt7 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Pass so hard on McCullar. Super mega pass.

Dude cannot shoot. He doesn't finish well at the rim. He is probably more of a below the rim player than Jalen and that's saying something. There have been at least 10 portal players I would rather have than Kevin McCullar.

He's really slow and methodical. We need some quickness.

Mosley isn't exactly quick but whewwwww he is a bucket.

@BShark the pic of him without his shirt, doesn't exactly look like he's been lifting 🏋🏾‍♂️. Looks pretty soft. Needs to leave his shirt on. 😂 he was my choice til I saw that. I think I'll let coach pick.

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@Jethro said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@Kcmatt7 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Pass so hard on McCullar. Super mega pass.

Dude cannot shoot. He doesn't finish well at the rim. He is probably more of a below the rim player than Jalen and that's saying something. There have been at least 10 portal players I would rather have than Kevin McCullar.

He's really slow and methodical. We need some quickness.

Mosley isn't exactly quick but whewwwww he is a bucket.

Mosley isn't quick, but he is just so good offensively... I think we have to have him.

@jayballer67 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Mercy seen in a draft off CBS that had Ochai going # 7 to the Kings. Mercy , now come on be honest who in Earth would of ever thought Ochai would EVER have a chance to be drafted that high when he 1st stepped foot on Campus?- I figured he would be solid/good but projected at # 7 ? - Jumpin Gee Hossie Fats Maynard.

Also saw they had Christan as the # 25th pick going to the Spurs - - Awesome

That's awesome! Hopefully that holds. It really speaks to Och's work ethic and how much he improved during his time here. Also, what a cool story for a Kansas kid out of Burlington who lead his HS team to 3 straight state titles, a natty, and now he gets a chance at the league. So jealous (I'll just blame my bad jump shot on being 5'8" 165, right?....right...?)!

Definitely gonna miss both of these guys.
Especially Christian's fire. I loved seeing that from a Kansas kid!

@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

I think I'll let coach pick.

He likes him. :)

We can talk more in about a week @Crimsonorblue22

@jayballer67 - Ochai to the KINGS? That’s NBA hell!

@PharmacyHawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@jayballer67 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Mercy seen in a draft off CBS that had Ochai going # 7 to the Kings. Mercy , now come on be honest who in Earth would of ever thought Ochai would EVER have a chance to be drafted that high when he 1st stepped foot on Campus?- I figured he would be solid/good but projected at # 7 ? - Jumpin Gee Hossie Fats Maynard.

Also saw they had Christan as the # 25th pick going to the Spurs - - Awesome

That's awesome! Hopefully that holds. It really speaks to Och's work ethic and how much he improved during his time here. Also, what a cool story for a Kansas kid out of Burlington who lead his HS team to 3 straight state titles, a natty, and now he gets a chance at the league. So jealous (I'll just blame my bad jump shot on being 5'8" 165, right?....right...?)!

Definitely gonna miss both of these guys.
Especially Christian's fire. I loved seeing that from a Kansas kid!

Boy your right for sure. Och did develop , took his game up another notch again I mean afte watching him knew he was gonna be a good player but in total honesty It is beyond my wildest dreams that he would eve be a 1st round pick in the draft.

Now Christan - - Christan the kid is a whole different story lol. I'm lie you I think anyways at least in some aaspect. - I've made mention of this before here and have no problem saying again I like you love Christan's fire as you say. See I love seeing a kid that shows some emotion, some fire , Cockiness ? -Maybe he does/is Cocky - - so what ? I LOVE a kid that has that edge. There were times when Christan would flush maybe even on someone and he would have no problem letting them know- so what ? - -thats the kids fire as you say his competitiveness coming out in him - - -His well shown where he flash's the THREE and thumps his chest looks over and says " BITCH " , the kids juices are flowing his fire for the game - - his fire for winning - -his fire for making that big play - I love that. Is that agorrance? Maybe , but thing is if you can throw shade -and you got game to back it up - - - -GOOD FOR YOU - -get some Big boy.

There is people here that don't like that - -don't think KU kids should do that - -they say it's lack of class - -you know what I say that's BS - it's a kid that wears his love of the game on his sleeve, I'll take Christan's approach , his cockiness , his edge , his competitiveness ANY DAY ALL DAY LONG over so many of these players that make a big shot at a crucial time or a big defensive stand and simply show NO emtion and go the other way like a zombie - I'm like you I think to some part anyways -I LOVE CHRISTANS FIRE and am gonna miss it for sure.

I'm sorry I've been here awhile but this is the 1st I've seen you - -but really glad your here good to see ya. Always love hearing others views whether you agree or disagree. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Gorilla72 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@jayballer67 - Ochai to the KINGS? That’s NBA hell!

Boy your right there, seems like we have had other players go there and vanish with them ,BUT the good thing my friend is - -that is just one NBA draft projection hopefully he goes elsewhere

@jayballer67 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Mercy seen in a draft off CBS that had Ochai going # 7 to the Kings. Mercy , now come on be honest who in Earth would of ever thought Ochai would EVER have a chance to be drafted that high when he 1st stepped foot on Campus?- I figured he would be solid/good but projected at # 7 ? - Jumpin Gee Hossie Fats Maynard.
Also saw they had Christan as the # 25th pick going to the Spurs - - Awesome

FFS! NO KINGS!

Yeah, Kings were not a great franchise for our previous first team All America (BIFM)

@bskeet was ok for Scot pollard?

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/6-longest-playoff-droughts-nba-history ↗

@Crimsonorblue22 That was a long time ago (no offense to Scot! - I'm older than he is.. but the franchise today is not what it was.)

@bskeet I agree!

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@FarmerJayhawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

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Highlights from his performance

@Kcmatt7 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

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Highlights from his performance

Silky smooth

Dang! Where was that shot?

@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Dang! Where was that shot?

He came on fine late, just started abysmally. I'd like him back but if he blows up he gone.

Would be pretty devastating to see him go too. But I’d get it.

Really the shame in it would be that they could have landed Schierman but figured JW would be back

Wilson is an interesting case at the next level. He's good, and there are guys that he could model his game after, but his limited athleticism mean he has a very narrow and very specific path to NBA success.

His best bet is as Kyle Anderson. The guy is nicknamed "Slo Mo" and comes off the bench for Memphis. He is a good player at the NBA level, but limited athletically to the point where he can't really be a star, though he will probably have a nice long career.

Wilson is a better athlete than Anderson, but probably not quite as good a shooter, though he certainly could develop into as effective as that in the NBA over time. Anderson developed quickly as a shooter, starting at 21% as a freshman at UCLA, but has been serviceable in the NBA (career 33%). Wilson fits best with a winning team or good organization (think Heat, Spurs, Bucks, Celtics, Suns, Mavs) as opposed to a rebuild (no on Kings, Rockets, Pistons, Knicks, etc.).

The question is whether he's better off starting that journey now since he's already 21, or waiting until next year. If he shows good outside touch, its worth being a second rounder because his draft stock won't improve much because of his age and limited upside, unlike a guy like Agbaji whose athleticism makes it possible that he becomes a high level starter in the NBA (why it made sense for Ochai to return last year but may make sense for Wilson to leave this year).

@BShark never saw those 3's, not that many!

You can see his confidence! With play like that, he may well stay in the draft. I’ll be curious to see what feedback he receives.

Wilson's stat-line was 6/10 from the field (4/6 from 3), 18 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 0 turnovers. And also 5 fouls. That's pretty good. The 3-point shot is obviously a big key to him having success in the NBA. The other key for him I guess would be not being a total liability on defense in the NBA, which... ya. I didn't watch any of the game, just looked at the box score. The 5 personal fouls may be an indication that he was trying to play defense.

McCormack was 3/6 from the field, 9 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals, 1 turnover

McCullar was 1/7 from the field, 4 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals

Wilson!🔥🔥☄️

Good for J will. Still not getting drafted. One performance changes little

I'm pulling for JWil always! But I watched those highlights and he played against no competition. Was that an "under 6-ft" league?

JWill looks like a stud in that clip.

@drgnslayr It wasn't the under 6' league. That's the league I'm in.

Jalen going to the show. They may not have to get creative with the roster after all

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Jalen going to the show. They may not have to get creative with the roster after all

Called up to the big league combine, huh.
We still got a chance!

https://www.si.com/nba/spurs/news/san-antonio-jalen-wilson-kansas-jayhawks-pre-draft-workout-gregg-popovich-bill-self-tracker ↗

If Jalen goes I hope Spurs get Christian and Jalen (not really a possibility, but I can still dream)

with the 9th overall pick, the San Antonio Spurs select... Ochai Agbaji!

with the 25th overall pick, the San Antonio Spurs select... Christian Braun!

with the 38th overall pick, the San Antonio Spurs select... Jalen Wilson!

To paraphrase Matthew Mcconnahey in Dazed and Confused, what i love about the NBA draft is that while the Lakers get one year older, the rest of the league stays the same age! Giggity.

@approxinfinity said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

To paraphrase Matthew Mcconnahey in Dazed and Confused, what i love about the NBA draft is that while the Lakers get one year older, the rest of the league stays the same age! Giggity.

I cackled

@approxinfinity whoops . With the 20th overall pick, the San Antonio Spurs select … Mitch Lightfoot?

I was looking back over recent draft classes… enjoyed particularly the 2013 class which the nba had no clue how to evaluate as is evidenced by the order of picks. Im assuming because the talent was largely international big men, they didnt get it right. https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/history/?Season=2013 ↗

@approxinfinity Giannis 15th pick...lol.

@approxinfinity

@approxinfinity said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

To paraphrase Matthew Mcconnahey in Dazed and Confused, what i love about the NBA draft is that while the Lakers get one year older, the rest of the league stays the same age! Giggity.

Speaking of Matthews, it appears Matthew Mayer is going to UNC. Going to take the Brady Manek role.

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Jalen going to the show. They may not have to get creative with the roster after all

This would work out a lot of things.

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Jalen going to the show. They may not have to get creative with the roster after all

This would work out a lot of things.

I think he's ready. Not sure if he gets drafted, but he has plenty of talent to do the grind, and put himself in position to make money off his craft. Great kid- made a 180 after the DUI.

Want Wilson back more then any transfer. Way more important

If Wilson keeps shooting like this, he's a second rounder for sure, maybe an end of the first guy. Biggest issue is his age. He was old for his class to begin with since his birthday is in November. Then he redshirted, meaning he's another year older. He played this entire season at 21. If he returns, he will be just a few weeks from his 23rd birthday making his pro debut. Compare that to Ochai. He's just seven months older than Jalen Wilson. Christian Braun is four month younger.

I'm sure Wilson's people are weighing that factor carefully. At this point, if he has interest, he should leave because he's losing a year of his pro career - even assuming longevity for him, Wilson probably won't play past his age 35 season, which would give him either a 13 year career if he goes now, or a 12 year career window. Rookie contracts are 4 years long, so his rookie deal would either expire when he's 26 or 27, when he would negotiate for what would probably be his only big contract (a four or five year deal that takes him to his age 30 or 31 season).

I comped him with Kyle Anderson before, and I think the comparison works. Anderson entered the league at 21, while Wilson will enter at 22 essentially. After playing out his rookie deal in San Antonio, Anderson inked a 4 year deal at the midlevel exception, which got him around 9M per year. His deal expires this year and he will have a chance, at 29, to negotiate one more decent deal, probably at the MLE again. Wilson will finish his rookie deal at 26, then get a shot at the MLE. Because he's older, he may not get a shot at a second MLE deal, and may have to sign for a veteran's minimum type contract after his second contract expires. That could be the difference in making $70M+ in his career and making less than $50M, especially if he waits another year, meaning his rookie deal expires at 27, and a MLE deal expires at 31, at which point teams may be looking to get younger rather than signing a more expensive veteran role player, which is where Jalen Wilson projects.

This decision to stay or go could literally be a $20M+ decision for him. I wish him all the best. I will be rooting for him.

Ochai's numbers were terrific. 6'11 wingspan, 2nd highest vertical, 4th fastest sprint. Should put him firmly in the top 10. Really hoping he goes to the Spurs

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Ochai's numbers were terrific. 6'11 wingspan, 2nd highest vertical, 4th fastest sprint. Should put him firmly in the top 10. Really hoping he goes to the Spurs

Definitely a lottery pick.

If only ESPN had a Stephen A block button

@Jethro said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Speaking of Matthews, it appears Matthew Mayer is going to UNC. Going to take the Brady Manek role.

But is he going to take the mullet?

@tis4tim said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@Jethro said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Speaking of Matthews, it appears Matthew Mayer is going to UNC. Going to take the Brady Manek role.

But is he going to take the mullet?

I think he already has one. I always thought Mayer was better than Manek- UNC is going to be STOUT next year.

@approxinfinity said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

If only ESPN had a Stephen A block button

The remote's channel button is a good substitute. I have no idea why anyone chooses to watch ESPN when they know they will be exposed to his rants.

@mayjay I dont watch ESPN, but I do frequent their site, and the sight of his face makes me anxious.

@Jethro said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@tis4tim said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@Jethro said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Speaking of Matthews, it appears Matthew Mayer is going to UNC. Going to take the Brady Manek role.

But is he going to take the mullet?

I think he already has one. I always thought Mayer was better than Manek- UNC is going to be STOUT next year.

UNC should be preseason #1 and the title favorites going into next season. Hubert Davis seemed to figure it out after the Duke loss. UNC went 13-3 after that game and genuinely looked like a top 10 team for most of that stretch of games too. Bacot and Davis will likely be on the short list of NPOY candidates next season and if Caleb Love can become more consistent, they very well could cut the nets down next season.

Wilson's playing now on espnnews. They had self on. I like these espn guys much better than the usual ones

CB on espn2 now.

CB would do better w/o Collin Gillespie as pt guard!

CB has been moved to Wilson's team, so I'm not sure which time they play. Some have dropped out.

Tell me this isnt Christian with more hair

https://mutigers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/parker-braun/7346 ↗

@approxinfinity He is now at Santa Clara University. That is a team that could make some noise in the WCC which has been dominated by Gonzaga, St Mary's and San Francisco (USF) for at least a decade.

@approxinfinity he use to have really long hair

Nice assist by Wilson to CB for a dunk followed by a roar! No bitch though.

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@KirkIsMyHinrich

@BShark Danke

@rockchalkjayhawk stats posted here

Now that KUSports.com is unusable and the worst sports website on the internet, where else are you going for KU news? How can the operators of that website be so incompetent?

@stoptheflop said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Now that KUSports.com is unusable and the worst sports website on the internet, where else are you going for KU news? How can the operators of that website be so incompetent?

I haven't been there in awhile what happened??!

@BShark When I open the site, the only thing that shows is a large image. The stories are below, but are quite limited and very few people respond now.

@stoptheflop said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Now that KUSports.com is unusable and the worst sports website on the internet, where else are you going for KU news? How can the operators of that website be so incompetent?

Hmm, harsh view. I like the site.
Always has the current team news, and it’s free.
No complaints.

@stoptheflop the mobile view on KuSports is pretty bad. I agree about that. Just not laid out well. The content is still decent, for what it is.

@approxinfinity The links after the articles sometimes have headlines that look current (a la "Self high on recruits") and have been as old as 2012 with no hint.

@stoptheflop next time you go to the website, in the URL it's going to have something along the lines of "www.kusports.com/version=mobile" (not sure if that's the exact address) but change the word "mobile" to "desktop", that should bring up the normal site you're used to seeing.

@mayjay I still feel bad about the KU tennis player that's still on there.

From The Athletic:

Kansas guard Christian Braun was asked by a team to participate in a staring contest during a draft interview.
Braun: “I thought it was really cool, they’re trying to see your competitive nature, and if you’re trying to win.”

@Gorilla72 did he call anyone any names while they stared?

Official CB staying in the draft

It was known.

Wilson watch on like Donkey Kong

Today's quiz:

Who would you rather have on next year's roster...

Wilson or McCullar?

easy answer, but had to ask

Wilson should go pro. I think he'll be more successful than people expect at the next level. There's a place for guys in the NBA who understand the game, have some personality, hustle, do the dirty work to let the stars shine, and he's that kind of dude. Nothing left to prove or improve on at the college level. IMO

Good year for McCullar to join with the 2-3 spots a little iffy on the D side

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Today's quiz:

Who would you rather have on next year's roster...

Wilson or McCullar?

easy answer, but had to ask

Both. Thanks.

@BShark said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Today's quiz:

Who would you rather have on next year's roster...

Wilson or McCullar?

easy answer, but had to ask

Both. Thanks.

Good answer!

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Today's quiz:

Who would you rather have on next year's roster...

Wilson or McCullar?

easy answer, but had to ask

I would obviously rather have Jalen back. By the end of the season he was playing so damn well. He was the real reason we could play so fast. Him and CB getting 18-20 rebounds a game and starting the break is what won them the Natty.

I think McCullar is going to be really good here. But I don't want him as my starting 3. I'm good with him playing the 4 where he is a bit of a mismatch and it allows us to switch everything. I just don't love him as my 3, which has traditionally been the go-to scorer in the Bill Self system. All of the good Bill Self teams have had a very efficient player in that role.

Rush, B-Mac, Henry (he was even if people are sour on him), Releford, Svi/Vick (were sort of interchangeable on that team), and then Och.

McCullar has just not shown he can shoot it .400 from deep or finish at the rim over .500. Nor is he the guy you are calling lob plays for which is also a Bill Self staple.

I just don't see how he fits at the 3.

@Kcmatt7

Agree McCullar from what we've seen of him in the last 3 years isn't an ideal 3 in Self's lineup. Again I don't know how much of his offensive game was held back by two defensive minded coaches he played under (Beard, Adams) but it crosses my mind they didn't develop him this past year as much as you would have thought. I recall seeing he was injured some last year as well? Anyways I think he comes here and has a big role but I do agree I don't want him being the focal point of the offense or playing the 3 primarily. That's unless he has a leap in him we cannot project right now.

If Jalen does leave I have no idea who the offense will focus around. He'd easily be a preseason POY pick & 1st team Big-12 guy. Harris will be the highest scoring returning player & we know the offense isn't flowing through him for 10-15 shots a game. If Jalen does leave then I think Self needs to get a lot more real about roster moves. Your 12th and 13th guys aren't helping you win this upcoming year but you can go get guys in the portal that can.

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@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Today's quiz:

Who would you rather have on next year's roster...

Wilson or McCullar?

easy answer, but had to ask

I would obviously rather have Jalen back. By the end of the season he was playing so damn well. He was the real reason we could play so fast. Him and CB getting 18-20 rebounds a game and starting the break is what won them the Natty.

I think McCullar is going to be really good here. But I don't want him as my starting 3. I'm good with him playing the 4 where he is a bit of a mismatch and it allows us to switch everything. I just don't love him as my 3, which has traditionally been the go-to scorer in the Bill Self system. All of the good Bill Self teams have had a very efficient player in that role.

Rush, B-Mac, Henry (he was even if people are sour on him), Releford, Svi/Vick (were sort of interchangeable on that team), and then Och.

McCullar has just not shown he can shoot it .400 from deep or finish at the rim over .500. Nor is he the guy you are calling lob plays for which is also a Bill Self staple.

I just don't see how he fits at the 3.

Loved watching Jalen grab a rebound and just push it up the court. If there was one thing to remember about him, that was it. His specialty.

@rockchalkjayhawk It's funny because his footwork in grabbing a rebound and spinning and pushing it up court was so strong while his footwork in preparing for a jump shot was so poor!

@benshawks08 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@rockchalkjayhawk It's funny because his footwork in grabbing a rebound and spinning and pushing it up court was so strong while his footwork in preparing for a jump shot was so poor!

Ha, I’m certainly no expert on jump shot footwork. I mean, you can tell what it should look like by watching Och and others with good form. Looking back by memory...did Jalen have lazy footwork? Dragging his feet?

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@Kcmatt7

Agree McCullar from what we've seen of him in the last 3 years isn't an ideal 3 in Self's lineup. Again I don't know how much of his offensive game was held back by two defensive minded coaches he played under (Beard, Adams) but it crosses my mind they didn't develop him this past year as much as you would have thought. I recall seeing he was injured some last year as well? Anyways I think he comes here and has a big role but I do agree I don't want him being the focal point of the offense or playing the 3 primarily. That's unless he has a leap in him we cannot project right now.

If Jalen does leave I have no idea who the offense will focus around. He'd easily be a preseason POY pick & 1st team Big-12 guy. Harris will be the highest scoring returning player & we know the offense isn't flowing through him for 10-15 shots a game. If Jalen does leave then I think Self needs to get a lot more real about roster moves. Your 12th and 13th guys aren't helping you win this upcoming year but you can go get guys in the portal that can.

Interesting you classify Beard and Adams as defensive minded coaches ... but not Self?

@rockchalkjayhawk they didn’t have as much O power as we did.

@rockchalkjayhawk

Wasn't a slight to Self. Actually it was a slight to Tech's coaches for being what they are.

Everybody wants a polished finished product on paper right now. We forget that the 130th ranked guy he took is going to be a first rounder. Or the guy he took that wasn't even ranked at the start of his senior year, and (only after he signed with us did they put him in the Top 100) this guy is set to be a lottery pick. This is going to take some time. But Bill has lots of talent to work with.

12 guys 6’9 or bigger in nbadraft projected first round. Feels like a massive (in height) class

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/ ↗

@approxinfinity said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

12 guys 6’9 or bigger in nbadraft projected first round. Feels like a massive (in height) class

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/ ↗

Where's Braun?

Baylor is very pissed that McCullar signed with us. They cry and whine about it, and at 3:00 minutes, they lose it:

@Jethro lol theyre discussing Mayer who has no interest in Kansas. Dude has an agenda.

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@rockchalkjayhawk

Wasn't a slight to Self. Actually it was a slight to Tech's coaches for being what they are.

Wasn’t thinking it was a slight. Just thought it was maybe an interesting perspective on how people perceive Self.

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@rockchalkjayhawk

Wasn't a slight to Self. Actually it was a slight to Tech's coaches for being what they are.

Wasn’t thinking it was a slight. Just thought it was maybe an interesting perspective on how people perceive Self.

He's certainly among the best defensive minded coaches in the game. I also think he's equally as good on the other end which I why I didn't want to label him one or the other while I think Beard/Adams are clearly better coaching one side then the other. Self is the total package even if I'm slightly biased

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

@rockchalkjayhawk

Wasn't a slight to Self. Actually it was a slight to Tech's coaches for being what they are.

Wasn’t thinking it was a slight. Just thought it was maybe an interesting perspective on how people perceive Self.

He's certainly among the best defensive minded coaches in the game. I also think he's equally as good on the other end which I why I didn't want to label him one or the other while I think Beard/Adams are clearly better coaching one side then the other. Self is the total package even if I'm slightly biased

Agreed on all counts!

CB is on a tweet storm right now 😂

Jeez, Jalen! C'mon already. He's taking it down to the wire.
Tuesday has to be announcement day, right?
The last big piece of the puzzle to come or go will trigger all these other decisions...tick tick tick.
I can't wait any more! :)

@rockchalkjayhawk Wouldn't worry too much about it.

Is the deadline before June 1 or EOD June 1?

@Gorilla72 said in KU/Big 12 NBA draft decisions thread:

Is the deadline before June 1 or EOD June 1?

Just saw this

June 1: Withdrawal deadline for NCAA Returners
Prospects have until the end of the day on Wednesday, June 1 to withdraw their names from the NBA Draft player pool. Any player who has not yet signed with a professional agent may do this and return to their original school or, potentially, the transfer portal. After this day, players who are not selected in the NBA Draft on June 23 will have to seek other professional options.

@rockchalkjayhawk - Thanks! Seems like Doke waited until the last minute, IIRC.

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Fantastic news

I don't expect any more roster movement. Let's ride.

Trevor Keels staying in the draft. Makes the dook game easier for us