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Going to go ahead and list out a few teams to watch here down the stretch and their schedules.

UNC:
- Vs. Clemson (72 Kenpom)
- Vs. Miami (30 Kenpom)
- @ NC State (49 Kenpom)
- @ Notre Dame (179 Kenpom)
- Vs. Virginia ( 14 Kenpom)
- @ FSU (186 Kenpom)
- Vs. Duke (33 Kenpom)

Best guess, UNC gets in. But it almost all hinges on the next 3 games. I think they HAVE to go 2-1 or they are NIT bound.

Kentucky:
- @ Georgia (123 Kenpom)
- @ MSU (45 Kenpom)
- Vs. Tenn (4 Kenpom)
- @ Florida ( 44 Kenpom)
- Vs. Auburn (27 Kenpom)
- Vs. Vandy (94 Kenpom)
- @ Arkansas (19 Kenpom)

Best guess, UK is OUT. That is a pretty tough schedule. I think they'll need win 5 of these games to get in. Meaning they'll have to hold serve at home against Tennessee and Auburn, and win 2 of these 4 road games. Tall task for a team that is basically in free fall.

Okalahoma State:
- @ ISU
- Vs. KU
- @ TCU
- @ WVU
- Vs. KSU
- Vs. Baylor
- @ TTU

Best guess: OSU is OUT of the tourney. This is the unfortunate situation of a good team playing in a meat grinder. Would be in if they were in any other P5 conference. I think they have too tough of a road schedule to overcome. About the only way that OSU gets in is stealing one of the first 3 road games, beating TTU AND holding serve at home against KU, Baylor and KSU.

Wisconsin:
- @ Nebraska (104 Kenpom)
- Vs. Michigan (52 Kenpom)
- Vs. Rutgers (17 Kenpom)
- Vs. Iowa ( 32 Kenpom)
- @ Mich (52 Kenpom)
- Vs. Purdue (5 Kenpom)
- @ Minn (222 Kenpom)

Badgers are IN. Very favorable home schedule, and playing against resume builder teams. They have to win, but with only one tough road game left on the schedule they should be able to pull it off.

Duke:
- @ UVA (14 Kenpom)
- Vs. Notre Dame (179 Kenpom)
- @ Syracuse ( 88 Kenpom)
- Vs. Louisville (304 Kenpom LOL)
- Vs. VT (59 Kenpom)
- Vs. NC State (49 Kenpom)
- @ UNC (36 Kenpom)

Duke will have to screw up to not get in.... Totally possible, but I think unlikely. I think that even if they lose to UVA, NC State and UNC they are a last 4 in. However, if they do all of that and drop one of these other games, it could get interesting for the Blue Devils.

Those are the ones I care to watch at the moment. I think Memphis, Seton Hall, Oregon and A&M will be interesting to watch too. Seton Hall really the only one of that bunch that has an effect on KU from a seeding/rankings/NET standpoint.

Good stuff, Good work!

UNC, Duke, Kentucky on the bubble watch is crazy to think of at the same time.

And the moral to this story is that they don't have Bill Self.

@Kcmatt7 I think the most shocking part of that is Louisville Kenpom 304. Every so often, once or twice a year I look at it to see the lowest rated power 6 school. It’s rare a team is even in the 200’s and to think that Louisville is down there with the lower rungs of low majordom.

Sad to say but if there is ANY WAY for the committee to squeeze them by whether they win enough or not - -they will do exactly that. - -Deserving or not they will bank on Name alone previous years and how the committeee has a love fest going with these Schools- - - their thinking , - -oh wll these are the blue bloods of all blue bloods just wouldn't be the same without them.

Actually none of them deserve in probably unless big turn around. - -Kentucky is just a train wreck right now. -- Carolina , what ?-- they went from preseason # 1 to unranked most the season. - - Bacot looks like he has regressed - -Love is a mess - Think Davis is in over his head.- -Duke - well Duke if any might be the one in - but way inconsistent , - -their PG Roach can flat ass shoot them right out of any game, I think he is trying to hard to be THT leader.- -They have had some un timely injuries been with out Whitehead or Lively off and on throughout - but still think if any is in - -It's Duke. - -the other two at this poinst anyways - NO they should not get in

@Kcmatt7 I agree with you assessment. I hope the ACC doesn’t get more than 6 or 7 teams. That conference is headed down hill. I thought the same thing last year before Duke and UNC made the final four. Could you imagine KU having a schedule break like playing Louisville, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame or Florida State right now.

@kjayhawks said in Bubble Watch:

@Kcmatt7 I agree with you assessment. I hope the ACC doesn’t get more than 6 or 7 teams. That conference is headed down hill. I thought the same thing last year before Duke and UNC made the final four. Could you imagine KU having a schedule break like playing Louisville, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame or Florida State right now.

Until Virginia played NC St the other night, they hadn't faced a ranked team since early December. ACC is ranked 7th among conferences in Kenpom. If they do get 6 or 7 teams, they're in for a rude awakening.

@Jethro

UVA is worthy of being ranked but #8 is crazy town given the schedule they have played.

@kjayhawks said in Bubble Watch:

@Kcmatt7 I agree with you assessment. I hope the ACC doesn’t get more than 6 or 7 teams. That conference is headed down hill. I thought the same thing last year before Duke and UNC made the final four. Could you imagine KU having a schedule break like playing Louisville, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame or Florida State right now.

Based on NET rankings, the ACC only deserves 3 teams. Current 1st place teams Clemson and Pitt are ranked 70th and 52nd respectively. UVA, Miami, and Duke are the only 3 ranked high enough to merit an at large bid historically. NC State and UNC are 43rd and 44th so they could move up into at large range, but are in an area that's usually on the outside of the bubble.

The ACC is really bad this year. UVA and Miami look like the only two teams right now I'd even consider getting past the 1st weekend in a bracket. Calling the bottom of the ACC garbage is in insult to garbage and those are teams that historically do pretty well too.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I agree a 100 percent but no way the acc gets less than 5.

I don't expect us to win in Stillwater.

@drgnslayr said in Bubble Watch:

I don't expect us to win in Stillwater.

I do, especially with them losing Anderson - -huge loss for them

West Virginia is playing itself off the bubble. I watched them beat Iowa St, and they look like a different team- much better defensive intensity than when we smoked them. They play @ Texas today, so if they can somehow get the W, it could throw the conference race wide open. The B12 conference race is the most entertaining conference battle in college bb this year.

The only team I root against getting into the Tourny is Kentucky. So I do check in on their games and hope for big fat Ls. The rest of the Tourny field I just watch with interest on one of the greatest Sunday evenings in college basketball. I have a love/hate relationship with KU as a #1 seed. I really hate the 1 vs. 16 matchup and can't breathe until KU has a decent lead. RC

OOOF. UK going down to Georgia May be the nail in the coffin

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@BShark

There is no way those people are real fans

@BeddieKU23 Well, remember they are the same fans who turned on every coach eventually.

@BeddieKU23 said in Bubble Watch:

@BShark

There is no way those people are real fans

RR is something else man. KU cheats while UK is pure as snow. Calipari cheated before he got to UK but immediately stopped cheating once he got there btw.

@BShark said in Bubble Watch:

@BeddieKU23 said in Bubble Watch:

@BShark

There is no way those people are real fans

RR is something else man. KU cheats while UK is pure as snow. Calipari cheated before he got to UK but immediately stopped cheating once he got there btw.

Ya it's wild. Imagine getting the recruiting classes they have, having Calipari as a coach, and playing at Rupp arena but thinking everyone else is cheating and you're the only school doing it clean. They live in their own stupid bubble.

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UNC gets a much needed win and UK is likely on the wrong side of the bubble with todays loss.

Wisconsin loses a bad one. OUT of the tourney now…

@KirkIsMyHinrich Nike must be funneling in hundreds of millions to that place at this point. Why would a top recruit go there at this point if it wasn’t just about cash.

Was Duke a one coach "program"?

My column:

Also Bill literally tried to help Calipari in the post game after we played them. He laid out our plan of attack. Oscar still just gets absolutely obliterated on pnr. Cal is a stooge.

@BShark Cal is the prime example of players play and coaches coach. He would be nothing if he hadn’t paid guys at every stop IMO. He couldn’t go to a lesser school and take them somewhere.

@jayballer67

I hope I'm wrong. We typically don't play well in Stillwater and OSU is playing good... just beat ISU in Ames.

@BShark said in Bubble Watch:

Was Duke a one coach "program"?

My column:

They were a pretty strong program even before Ratface. 4 Final Fours in 15 years during the 60's and 70's.

@drgnslayr more like isu played bad, maybe!

@drgnslayr said in Bubble Watch:

@jayballer67

I hope I'm wrong. We typically don't play well in Stillwater and OSU is playing good... just beat ISU in Ames.

ya I watched that game , they on a roll , w just can not afford a lack luster start. We can't afford to keep falling behind at the out set of games - today the first 11 minutes was flat terrible. - Oklahoma State on a roll and have solidified a spot in the NCAA'S- we can't afford to take them lightly especially at their place. - -Don't think Coach will allow that to happen after seeing how it turned out. - - STRAP IT UP GUYS.

OSU is like a different team now. They've come together and are a threat to anyone!

We best not come with our typical slow start in Stillwater this year!

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CBS is drunk

@drgnslayr who have they played?

@BShark Wisconsin won the 2nd national championship way back in 194o or 41. They're a blue blood for sure!

@wissox Quick search says one in the 40s and some really old ones. I don't like counting the Helms ones for KU but I know that can be a point of contention for some.

@BShark what in the heck, literally none of those teams are blue bloods. They could’ve showed how UNC, UK and Dook are all down

I saw that earlier and was like what the actual fuck

@BShark No I wasn't counting the Helms, but they got one legit one! Interestingly I read a description of that game and it said UW used a strong defense and slow it down style in defeating Wash. St.

UNC down 12 midway thru the second half in the dean dome.

UNC didn’t NEED that win, but it damn sure would have helped their cause… This could have been a resume builder for them

Can Tech play themselves back to the bubble or do they still needed a B12 tournament title? They have a favorable schedule coming up and could see them winning 4 of the next 5. This the only conference in America where every school has double digit wins. OU is the only team below.500 overall and that hopefully changes tomorrow.

@kjayhawks tech is basically out. 12 losses puts them outside looking in no matter what imo. If they happened to find a way to win out maybe

@Kcmatt7 said in Bubble Watch:

UNC didn’t NEED that win, but it damn sure would have helped their cause… This could have been a resume builder for them

Pretty crazy from being the # 1 ranked team in the Nation to being on the bubble and not even sure they gettin in - -I think they are o-8 versus quad 1's - maybe that was another one of these pre tenders..

To me it looks like Bacot has taken a step back- he gets bullied around quite a bit , just doesn't even look as good as he did last ur , still a pretty decent player but something missing

@jayballer67 said in Bubble Watch:

@Kcmatt7 said in Bubble Watch:

UNC didn’t NEED that win, but it damn sure would have helped their cause… This could have been a resume builder for them

Pretty crazy from being the # 1 ranked team in the Nation to being on the bubble and not even sure they gettin in - -I think they are o-8 versus quad 1's - maybe that was another one of these pre tenders..

To me it looks like Bacot has taken a step back- he gets bullied around quite a bit , just doesn't even look as good as he did last ur , still a pretty decent player but something missing

They don't have a Juan. They have mad bombers all trying to make isolation plays. Caleb shoots from 30 feet too much, and Davis doesn't pass the ball like he did last year. Bacot looks disinterested to me.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Bubble Watch:

@drgnslayr who have they played?

Sorry for the slow reply. For one they beat ISU at ISU... where we got smoked. They've won 5 in a row...

https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma-state/Article/oklahoma-state-basketball-rankings-ap-poll-top-25-week-15-204685526/ ↗

They play some of the best D in our league. Our best way to get our offense rolling is to turn up our defense and get some easy runouts or scores on their D before setting up.

Cautionary tale. https://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mark-story/article272461093.html ↗

@wissox From the article, "Since the final week of the 2019-20 season, Kentucky is 35-31 against other power-conference foes (and is 35-32 if you want to include Gonzaga among the high-major opponents). From the start of the 2020-21 season until now, UK is 5-15 in its last 20 games against teams ranked in the AP Top 25."

Yikes. I think we'd be in meltdown mode as well if places were reversed.

@wissox

I bet Indiana really appreciates this type of language... "fear of becoming the next Indiana..."

The real problems at Kentucky go much deeper than Calipari. He is the symptom. He's a symptom they never should have caught and they wouldn't have if they had the proper basketball pedigree within their university, fan base, and state.

So there is a basketball coach out there who can talk fast to recruits and get them to sign but has left a trail of allegations and NCAA troubles.... he has never shown coaching prowess, just recruiting capabilities... I hope Kansas never dips this low when hiring a coach. I'll be gone if they do.

Now they are stuck with the coach who can't coach and he's getting older and tired... and he is unmotivated because he has his nest egg. Few people are left buying into the used car lot sales pitch he is pitching.

Need I say "the honeymoon is over?"

Why is there such a level of hate now appearing in Lexington? Because the fans are being exposed to their own ignorance for buying into the pitch in the first place. Literally, everyone who knew anything about basketball warned Kentucky ahead of this hire and they made the actual commitment under a sheepish embarrassment... much like someone who breaks wedding vows because they are horny.

Shall I go on? I don't think so. Why do I sound disgruntled? Because Calipari has always been one of the big examples of "find success without coaching ability, just recruit." It's never been good for college basketball or the players who wasted their short time in Lexington. Watch him coach in a game and his style isn't flattering to players... it's humiliating... he reminds me of Marsha at WSU.

Meanwhile.... back at the ranch... Classy Rick Barnes shows how it's done at Tenn, after he escaped the madness of Texas.

I'm loving it and I'll never feel too awful when we lose to a Barnes' team.

Oh.... let's not forget to talk about Duke!

Scheyer is in a spot. I don't know too much about his coaching staff below him but if he can't match the coaching ability of K he will be exposed soon. I was never a Coach K fan, but I gave him the respect he deserved in coaching. It takes a coach at his level to handle a team full of OADs and find some level of success. I wonder if Jon is starting to realize that yet? Another thing working against him... I hate to say that D1 is superficial... but Jon is a little too cute to be a head coach. It takes ZERO convincing of crowds to associate him with being arrogant. I know that sounds like silly drama... but just watch as he ends up being more disliked than K in the coming years. Dislike turns to anger turns to chip. And I know you all don't want me opening the chip can of worms today! lol

@drgnslayr said in Bubble Watch:

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Bubble Watch:

@drgnslayr who have they played?

Sorry for the slow reply. For one they beat ISU at ISU... where we got smoked. They've won 5 in a row...

https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma-state/Article/oklahoma-state-basketball-rankings-ap-poll-top-25-week-15-204685526/ ↗

They play some of the best D in our league. Our best way to get our offense rolling is to turn up our defense and get some easy runouts or scores on their D before setting up.

just listened to a Boynton interview --he gives respect obviously to KU- -but talked about his dis pleasure of his team at half- - wants to run more thought maybe they slowed down to much , not sure who gonna guard
Grady at that point anyways- a Anderson guarded Grady last time

We CAN NOT- - -CAN NOT fall into our routine of coming out of the gate slow like we have been - -that will get you in trouble for sure.- Like the Oklahoma game ---good thing it was Oklahoma because we were horrible. Thank GOD so were they -- we better be ready. - -Coach B talked about how Juan might be the most under appreciated / under valued in the Big 12 . Talked about how smart Juan was & how he ws so good defensively. - -We bette be ready- -it won't be easy

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Always take the 1 seed

@Kcmatt7 Really just depends on who’s in the bracket. Definitely been years where I’d rather play a 7-10 winner rather than a 8-9 winner.

@kjayhawks i think statistically taking the 1 seed is a no brainer. About a 40% of 1 seeds make the FF.

Only about 20% of 2 seeds do.

@jayballer67

Yes.... I'm okay if we just come out and play even with them for a while until we get them figured out eventually... but one of those horrendous starts where we go down 20 or so won't work tonight!

@Kcmatt7

I'd take a 1-seed (usually)... but what matters most to me is who is in our bracket. We had a good bracket last year and caught some breaks with upsets and teams suffering with hurt players.

Luck plays a huge part in March... of course, we control our own destination but same is said for all teams.

NCAA seems to like placing a blue blood at the 8 seed, much like UNC last year. I think they like the spicy 2nd round matchup of a 1 seed against a blue blood.

@Kcmatt7 that is true but we have ran into some under seeded 10s before too. UNI had 30 wins and had zero logical reason to be lower than 6. They ranked 24th coming into the tournament.

I’m staring to dislike the net rankings, they have St Mary’s whom plays in a garbage conference ahead of us currently while they have 2 quad 1 wins and 3 total games. We have more of both in the last 10 days.

@kjayhawks said in Bubble Watch:

I’m staring to dislike the net rankings, they have St Mary’s whom plays in a garbage conference ahead of us currently while they have 2 quad 1 wins and 3 total games. We have more of both in the last 10 days.

NET ranking places way too much emphasis on margin of victory...

NET is known to be pretty bad historically.

@kjayhawks It's nice you have to go back that far to throw that dig in.

@BShark said in Bubble Watch:

NET is known to be pretty bad historically.

RPI was too good- they wanted something with fuzzy math.

In all fairness - Kenpom ALSO has St. Mary's ahead of KU.

I don't feel like NET ruins the tournament committee seeding process, so I don't really care. It is only one factor, and really meant as a tie breaker from what I can tell. I.e. UNC getting in over UK because UK lost to a Quad 4 team.

I sure hope St Mary's is either a 4 or a 5 seed in our bracket.

@Jethro for sure just win and it don’t matter is what I say lol

We have a DOUBLE BUBBLE.

Kentucky is in Starkville tonight in what is a must win game for both teams. Joey Buckets has MSU IN and UK OUT right now...

MSU is favored by 3. This MSU team is riding a 5 game winning streak and is much better than their 5-7 conference record. Kentucky just looks broken at the moment. One team feels like it is playing to get in, and the other is trying to stop the bleeding.

My brain tells me that Kentucky is going to snap out of it and go on a long win streak to finish the season. But I just don't think they have guys that can guard well enough to do it. Cal refuses to make an adjustment on the way UK defends the pick and roll, and thus they continue to give up easy buckets at a high rate.

Should be a fun one to watch. One with a "March Madness" vibe to it already, imo.

@Kcmatt7 said in Bubble Watch:

We have a DOUBLE BUBBLE.

Kentucky is in Starkville tonight in what is a must win game for both teams. Joey Buckets has MSU IN and UK OUT right now...

MSU is favored by 3. This MSU team is riding a 5 game winning streak and is much better than their 5-7 conference record. Kentucky just looks broken at the moment. One team feels like it is playing to get in, and the other is trying to stop the bleeding.

My brain tells me that Kentucky is going to snap out of it and go on a long win streak to finish the season. But I just don't think they have guys that can guard well enough to do it. Cal refuses to make an adjustment on the way UK defends the pick and roll, and thus they continue to give up easy buckets at a high rate.

Should be a fun one to watch. One with a "March Madness" vibe to it already, imo.

I think alot of their problem is to - - it's I remember when it was me -- me - -me, all now about one on one -- no team play just more give me the ball and let me show my moves - -most of those guys worried abut NBA 7 not the School/College. - -Kentucky just a lay over.- -Cal has put many in the NBA - -so their thinkng is take the year develop some screw the school , don't even want to unpack their bags

@Kcmatt7 Make or break stretch for UK, not even kidding.

After the MSU roadie they have Tennessee in Rupp, at Florida, Auburn in Rupp. Gotta think they need to go 2-2 there.

@Kcmatt7 We're all Bulldogs tonite. I admit I enjoy silently trolling Rump Rafters when they struggle and then lose. It's a like a car wreck- not fun for them but you want to see how smashed up the cars are, so you rubber neck.

@jayballer67 When you recruit to the NBA, these are the results you get. In 2015, they were 38-0 and got beat in the FF by Wisky. They had 7 future NBA players on that team. How many do they have this year? I think when Dook stepped in and demanded half the action from Nike, Coach Squid's shelf life ended. And Tucky is left with arguably the worst x and o coach in the history of the game.

@BShark said in Bubble Watch:

@Kcmatt7 Make or break stretch for UK, not even kidding.

After the MSU roadie they have Tennessee in Rupp, at Florida, Auburn in Rupp. Gotta think they need to go 2-2 there.

I think that is probably accurate... I think they need 4 wins these last 7 games to still have a hope. Anything less and I have to think they're out.

@BShark said in Bubble Watch:

@Kcmatt7 Make or break stretch for UK, not even kidding.

After the MSU roadie they have Tennessee in Rupp, at Florida, Auburn in Rupp. Gotta think they need to go 2-2 there.

They probably need to go 5-1 realistically because they only have 1 Quad 1 win so far and they have a Quad 4 loss. They need Quad 1 wins and have 4 of those games left in their final 6. Tennessee, @Florida, Auburn, and @Arkansas so realistically Kentucky needs to go 3-1 in those games to help their NET ranking while also taking care of MSU and Vandy.

@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:

@Kcmatt7 We're all Bulldogs tonite. I admit I enjoy silently trolling Rump Rafters when they struggle and then lose. It's a like a car wreck- not fun for them but you want to see how smashed up the cars are, so you rubber neck.

Ha , you should see the K/State boards today - -OMG turn coats

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Whatabatism only works for idiots. Duke sucks because they lost their career coach, UNC also sucks because they lost their career coach, us and Syracuse suck because we still have ours."

@jayballer67 said in Bubble Watch:

@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:

@Kcmatt7 We're all Bulldogs tonite. I admit I enjoy silently trolling Rump Rafters when they struggle and then lose. It's a like a car wreck- not fun for them but you want to see how smashed up the cars are, so you rubber neck.

Ha , you should see the K/State boards today - -OMG turn coats

I've seen stuff like that, too. Freaking ingrates. Johnson's layoff for 2 years is biting him in the butt, and Nowell's lucky streak finally ran out. You gotta give them credit- they made it to the top 10 and actually beat us before it all fell apart... like I told them it would. They got to imagine what it would be like to be a KU fan for a few weeks, and now reality has pulverized them into a surly mood. Run off the coach? I say...run off the fans! And the Frans, too.

@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)

Like so many UK games this season, they look like the better team. Yet they make dumb enough plays to keep the other team in the game

@Kcmatt7

I watch most of UKs games... I watch a lot of D1.

They have ZERO discipline. Sometimes I think the team only reacts when Tshiebwe screams at them... (he should talk, lol). They completely lack leadership. The only thing that ever bails them out is 1-on-1 play.

There are a few knowledgeable Kentucky fans and they will post something intelligent... then they get smacked down by the single-cell herd.

Makes me really appreciate the quality of our group here!

@drgnslayr said in Bubble Watch:

@Kcmatt7

I watch most of UKs games... I watch a lot of D1.

They have ZERO discipline. Sometimes I think the team only reacts when Tshiebwe screams at them... (he should talk, lol). They completely lack leadership. The only thing that ever bails them out is 1-on-1 play.

There are a few knowledgeable Kentucky fans and they will post something intelligent... then they get smacked down by the single-cell herd.

Makes me really appreciate the quality of our group here!

I would say Cal’s belief in Wheeler was the detriment to this team. Hard to win without a PG who is a leader.

@dylans said in Bubble Watch:

@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)

I mean, you don't win 5 national titles in basically 3 different eras of college basketball by accident. Coach K knew how to adapt with the times in his recruiting and won titles when it was almost unheard of for anyone to leave before their junior season, he won in the era of players skipping college and he won in the OAD era.

@drgnslayr I truly think Coach K, Roy Williams and Bill Self are all top 5 all time coaches. Jimmy B at Syracuse looks like a guy that got lucky one time we couldn’t make free throws and he had Melo.

UK escapes. Got lucky on a no-call travel with 8 seconds left to save them.

@kjayhawks said in Bubble Watch:

@drgnslayr I truly think Coach K, Roy Williams and Bill Self are all top 5 all time coaches. Jimmy B at Syracuse looks like a guy that got lucky one time we couldn’t make free throws and he had Melo.

From UNI to Syracuse- seems like you're stuck in a time warp. Do you remember what happened last year? Seriously though, I detest booger picking Boeheim. Not on the same level at all with Coach Self.

Self is an innovator. Always has been. Not many coaches are.

He's earned some fame for his chop offense (which we still use sometimes in its pure form or a hybrid version), and also his hi-lo (with 2 post players), which is now become a relic because of how much college basketball has changed. He has adapted this to be something possible with only one post player and the focus on every position is to get several feeds into the post during the possession.

Now his focus is the 4-guard offense and how it has maximized the use of what Self calls "the utility guard" which currently means a player from 6'4" to 6'8" with good handles, strength, and shooting prowess from deep to finishing at the rim. His newest jingle is "positionless basketball."

What surprises me about Self... if you let him describe himself and his approach with only one word he would say "defense" though most of his innovation is on the offense side of the ball.

Wouldn't surprise me if he innovates more on D and what we did at OSU and how these guys played the gaps for steals. There are techniques that help increase the chances of steals and create confusion for offenses.

Self should write books on the game!

I'm rambling now... someone should stop me! lol

Remember preseason? What the heck? KJ Adams is our starting center? Can't last... right? How many of us thought he would continue to earn so many minutes?

Self innovated around KJ's speed, good hands, and soft touch. Center corridor pick and rolls have made KJ a consistent double-figure scorer. Now we can apply that to some degree with Udeh, but mostly lob slams.

If I want to forecast ahead and how I see Self innovating moving forward it is with his approach to an offensive attack on the center corridor. This started a few years ago with players like CB and Och, and no one has been better at it than JWil. It's the "curl drive" to the rim as these players cut perpendicular to the rim from around the FT line then curl to the rim as they attempt to get their shoulders past the defense. Notice how often Self talks about getting shoulders past the defense (on both sides of the ball).

I think he is helping with Gradey's development to become a multi-threat scorer. Because of his quick shot and elevation (and effectiveness), that means he has to be guarded tightly on his treys. That means defenders are vulnerable to head/body/ball fakes to draw fouls on the trey line, quick moves to create wide-open scoring space, and a host of possible drivebys to the rim. It's great when Gradey fights hard away from the ball to get open, but it's not his only option. He should be able to be a major threat even when a guy is in his grill.

@drgnslayr

Keep em coming! Ramble on..

@drgnslayr I’d add that we still haven’t seen a ton of defensive wrinkles this year as we often have in the past. How many times have we switched to a zone? Any box and 1? Or my favorite Bill self special, the triangle and two?

He’s certainly done some innovation and reinventing on the defensive side of the ball as well. We switch 5 (a thing I don’t see many other coaches doing). It seems like as you pointed out there are certain games where there’s a bigger emphasis on getting into the passing lanes. He’s also really mixed it up with bringing doubles or not against post feeds. Some determined by personnel. But when those doubles come and where they come from have also been interesting to watch. I’ve also like some small adjustments this team seems to be making within the switch five system. The communication is getting a little better to prevent the worst type of match ups with say Juan or Joe buried behind a 6-10 monster. They’ve been switching on the screen and then switching away from the ball to get one of our bigger guards into the post. Doesn’t happen all the time but something to watch. I think these situations could be contributing to the players playing on the gaps as you mentioned. Guys like Kevin and Jalen are being asked to really anticipate what’s happening and help the helpers helper type stuff. As this progresses I can see our defense really turning it up to end the year as those guys get into the passing lanes and really get a good scout on opposing teams down the stretch.

In my never coached anything more than 7th grade girls basketball mind wonder if there isn’t some box and 1 type defense that could highlight Kevin’s ridiculous anticipation ability. Like he’d be the one outside of the box but his job is just to figure out what the other teams plan is and blow it up. I know it’s not really feasible but I’d love to see what he could do in a freelance type situation.

@benshawks08

Good stuff!

John Stockton and Steph Curry are two great examples of guys who know how to steal. They both talk about running deception and also hiding.

They run deception by appearing to be going in one direction away from the passing lane then go towards the passing lane. It's a combination of deception and anticipation.

Also, they know how to hide behind other players from the passer. This gets into many things... fast-twitch reflexes are a big deal. They pull the same trick that football defensive backs use. They watch the face of the receiver and can tell when the ball has been thrown!

I don't know what I would do with my life if I didn't have sports!

@Kcmatt7

"Refuse to lose!"

Also complaining about how hot their opposition shoots FTs. Injuries? He should try playing in the Big12 with injuries.

"Planet earth to John Calipari... your pizza is ready!" :squinting_face_with_tongue:

@benshawks08 said in Bubble Watch:

@drgnslayr I’d add that we still haven’t seen a ton of defensive wrinkles this year as we often have in the past. How many times have we switched to a zone? Any box and 1? Or my favorite Bill self special, the triangle and two?

He’s certainly done some innovation and reinventing on the defensive side of the ball as well. We switch 5 (a thing I don’t see many other coaches doing). It seems like as you pointed out there are certain games where there’s a bigger emphasis on getting into the passing lanes. He’s also really mixed it up with bringing doubles or not against post feeds. Some determined by personnel. But when those doubles come and where they come from have also been interesting to watch. I’ve also like some small adjustments this team seems to be making within the switch five system. The communication is getting a little better to prevent the worst type of match ups with say Juan or Joe buried behind a 6-10 monster. They’ve been switching on the screen and then switching away from the ball to get one of our bigger guards into the post. Doesn’t happen all the time but something to watch. I think these situations could be contributing to the players playing on the gaps as you mentioned. Guys like Kevin and Jalen are being asked to really anticipate what’s happening and help the helpers helper type stuff. As this progresses I can see our defense really turning it up to end the year as those guys get into the passing lanes and really get a good scout on opposing teams down the stretch.

In my never coached anything more than 7th grade girls basketball mind wonder if there isn’t some box and 1 type defense that could highlight Kevin’s ridiculous anticipation ability. Like he’d be the one outside of the box but his job is just to figure out what the other teams plan is and blow it up. I know it’s not really feasible but I’d love to see what he could do in a freelance type situation.

Self doesn't really break out the gimmick defenses during the regular season too often. Maybe the occasional 2-3 because of foul issues, but he usually saves those for the tournament.

@benshawks08 said in Bubble Watch:

@drgnslayr I’d add that we still haven’t seen a ton of defensive wrinkles this year as we often have in the past. How many times have we switched to a zone? Any box and 1? Or my favorite Bill self special, the triangle and two?

He’s certainly done some innovation and reinventing on the defensive side of the ball as well. We switch 5 (a thing I don’t see many other coaches doing). It seems like as you pointed out there are certain games where there’s a bigger emphasis on getting into the passing lanes. He’s also really mixed it up with bringing doubles or not against post feeds. Some determined by personnel. But when those doubles come and where they come from have also been interesting to watch. I’ve also like some small adjustments this team seems to be making within the switch five system. The communication is getting a little better to prevent the worst type of match ups with say Juan or Joe buried behind a 6-10 monster. They’ve been switching on the screen and then switching away from the ball to get one of our bigger guards into the post. Doesn’t happen all the time but something to watch. I think these situations could be contributing to the players playing on the gaps as you mentioned. Guys like Kevin and Jalen are being asked to really anticipate what’s happening and help the helpers helper type stuff. As this progresses I can see our defense really turning it up to end the year as those guys get into the passing lanes and really get a good scout on opposing teams down the stretch.

In my never coached anything more than 7th grade girls basketball mind wonder if there isn’t some box and 1 type defense that could highlight Kevin’s ridiculous anticipation ability. Like he’d be the one outside of the box but his job is just to figure out what the other teams plan is and blow it up. I know it’s not really feasible but I’d love to see what he could do in a freelance type situation.

He only runs the junk defenses when the regular defense doesn't work.

Defenses are harder to see change in than offensive sets. I’m sure there are tons of little tweaks BS makes game to game and year to year. Unfortunately I am not enlightened as to what they are. Seems to be mostly spacing and switching as the biggest differences. Bill is good at teaching the guys how to help on defense as well.

I was half expecting a box and 1 in the second half of the OSU game, but other defensive changes shut Bryce down.

@dylans

I think... most of the time, Self would rather challenge his players to step up and guard instead of flipping to gimmicks. And that makes sense... don't bail out the players who aren't doing what they should be doing by enabling them to never clean up their act.

@dylans said in Bubble Watch:

Defenses are harder to see change in than offensive sets. I’m sure there are tons of little tweaks BS makes game to game and year to year. Unfortunately I am not enlightened as to what they are. Seems to be mostly spacing and switching as the biggest differences. Bill is good at teaching the guys how to help on defense as well.

I was half expecting a box and 1 in the second half of the OSU game, but other defensive changes shut Bryce down.

The majority of the tweaks to his man defense are going to involve when to switch, going over or under screens, crashing the glass or leaking out on rebounds and stuff like that which is always going to be personnel amd match up dependent.

Go Vols

May have jinxed the vols could be the win that get UK in

@kjayhawks said in Bubble Watch:

May have jinxed the vols could be the win that get UK in

UK would still have plenty of work to do to get in. This would only be their second Quad 1 win this year with the other being their first win over Tennessee in Knoxville.

@Texas-Hawk-10 they can’t lose out for sure but I bet they are project in after today.

@kjayhawks said in Bubble Watch:

@Texas-Hawk-10 they can’t lose out for sure but I bet they are project in after today.

They're already projected in on most brackets either as a last 4 in or last 4 byes before today. If they hold on, it'll be a big win resume boost to have a season sweep of a potential 1-2 seed, but they still need to win 2 of 3 against Florida, Auburn, and Arkansas along with at least 1 SEC Tournament win to feel safe about being in because they currently don't have the Quad 1 wins or NET ranking to feel good about anything right now.

What did everyone think of the 16 team release today? I really hope we can get the Midwest.

@kjayhawks said in Bubble Watch:

What did everyone think of the 16 team release today? I really hope we can get the Midwest.

It's outdated and meaningless. In one day.

@dylans said in Bubble Watch:

@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)

Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round

@approxinfinity IMHO Duke went from the final four last year to maybe making the tournament this year with all the talent money could buy (both times). I am just amazed at how much they suck now. The OAD approach is a losing approach, but “new Duke coach” (not going to bother to learn his name, he’ll be fired soon) can’t carry his weight at all. I figured they may get one good bounce year like UNC, but not enough carryover talent, I guess. They’re Kentucky pathetic now, just a bunch of talent running around with no coach.

I try to not put too much weight into a oad tournament. If it was 2-3 losses to get eliminated you would see a whole different list of champions. It’s rare the absolute best team wins due to the nature of the beast.

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@dylans said in Bubble Watch:

@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)

Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round

Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Bubble Watch:

@approxinfinity said in Bubble Watch:

@dylans said in Bubble Watch:

@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)

Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round

Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.

We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I'm sure there are better places to do that than here.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Bubble Watch:

You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.

Coach K was a good coach once. He wasn't the last 5 years at Duke.

I can detest the man if I want.

Calling my opinion stupid is stupid. So there.

@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:

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@approxinfinity said in Bubble Watch:

@dylans said in Bubble Watch:

@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)

Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round

Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.

We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I'm sure there are better places to do that than here.

Amen!

@Texas-Hawk-10 if he knew how to adapt to different eras, and you want to argue he was great throughout his time at Duke, why are you making excuses for him not having success with young teams?

I consider the Nike funneling + OAD + sit out a year on transfer situation to be the last era. He went out limping out of that era, and I think others suggested that Scheyer was taking over some of Ks coaching duties the last few years, but you wouldn’t know it, because the results are the same! My point.

And my assumption is that had that era ended sooner, Coach K would have retired sooner, because over the last decade, he was rolling the dice on OAD talent and friendly whistles and not really developing anyone.

Ive broken with the better approach though. That is…

Coach K who?

Do I think Coach K can coach? For sure you don’t win 5 national titles without having ability. None of you guys are wrong here. My deal with opinions are simply this, your opinion can’t be wrong but it also can’t be right it is merely an opinion. Opinions aren’t facts but facts change opinions of logical thinking folks.

He did great at times, he did poorly at times. A Tale of Two Dukes.

UNC about to lose to NC State and put the final nail in the coffin. Believe they will need to win the ACC title at this point.

@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:

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@approxinfinity said in Bubble Watch:

@dylans said in Bubble Watch:

@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)

Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round

Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.

We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I'm sure there are better places to do that than here.

Why do you hate him? Is it because he won at an extremely high level for so long with several high profile wins over KU during that time? Acknowledging that Coach K won titles in different eras doesn't mean I'm worshipping him, it means I'm acknowledging that he was a great coach over a very long period of time and was able to successfully adapt to different eras of college basketball.

@approxinfinity said in Bubble Watch:

@Texas-Hawk-10 if he knew how to adapt to different eras, and you want to argue he was great throughout his time at Duke, why are you making excuses for him not having success with young teams?

I consider the Nike funneling + OAD + sit out a year on transfer situation to be the last era. He went out limping out of that era, and I think others suggested that Scheyer was taking over some of Ks coaching duties the last few years, but you wouldn’t know it, because the results are the same! My point.

And my assumption is that had that era ended sooner, Coach K would have retired sooner, because over the last decade, he was rolling the dice on OAD talent and friendly whistles and not really developing anyone.

Name a coach that was/is highly successful in the NCAA Tournament with very young teams? Even Self isn't immune to that, but since you chose to ignore that part of my comment, presumably because it didn't fit your narrative, tell me the years Self took very young teams on deep tournament runs? Youth was a big factor for KU in 2021, 2019, 2015, 2014, and 2006 amd not making it past the weekend in those seasons. So don't pretend that Self is immune from that issue either because he definitely is not.

The OAD era ended a few years ago, in which Coach K won 2 titles, so he did just fine in that era. The current transfer portal era is when he slipped a little bit, but based on his final season, he seemed to be getting a grasp on how to navigate and build a roster in this current era as well. I also don't expect Jon Scheyer to duplicate Coach K's success because he's not Coach K. I also don't expect whoever follows Self to duplicate Self's success because they won't be Bill Self.

@mayjay said in Bubble Watch:

He did great at times, he did poorly at times. A Tale of Two Dukes.

Once he got Duke rolling, he arguably had 2 bad seasons in about 35 years, and by bad, I mean miss the NCAA Tournament.

@Texas-Hawk-10 You can't win this argument any more than you can convince a Mizzou or KSU fan that Self isn't a cheater or an Eagles or Bengals fan that their players should not be alliwed to commit penalties just because it is the end of the game.

Fandom does really strange things to people, whether sports or politics. The hate-K cult is so entrenched that they believe he had mystical powers over referees, just like Reid does over Goodell.

I went to UNC. I hate K and his shit school with a fiery passion. I loved every minute of ending his career in Durham and the tournament. F him

@mayjay Eagles fans have been MUCH better online than Bengals fans. At least in terms of what I've seen. Bengals fans will be crying until September.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I'd argue that first round losses to VCU, Lehigh and Mercer were bad.

@FarmerJayhawk one of his worst lies was when he called out Dillion Brooks from Oregon in the handshake line, but told us something else. But lol, it was mic'd up! Then we had to watch that dble screen of his sorry ass and his wife while we were playing last yr. So pleasant!😡😡

@FarmerJayhawk said in Bubble Watch:

I went to UNC. I hate K and his shit school with a fiery passion. I loved every minute of ending his career in Durham and the tournament. F him

He had some really Personable players-- -let's see Grayson Allan was a real role model for the program , then K wants to call an opposing player out when shaking hands and telling the kid not to do that, e better then that when the opposing playe got into it some with Duke lol - - umm clean up your own back yard before you start trying to correct opposing playes. - I sure in the hell don't miss him either

@approxinfinity I suppose our first round losses in 2005 and 2006 were good, as were our several 2nd round losses to underdogs (seeded 5 spots or lower) under Larry, Roy and Bill?

@mayjay no they were awful, but Bill trended up after that. K was trending down for a while now. And, we were getting screwed in recruiting, while he was getting everything he wanted.

Duke has had the most McDonalds All American players of any program.

But none of that matters, because Bill gets whatever he wants now.

Coach K who? Let Duke fade away into nothing, and his name be forgotten.

I hated how Coach K made last year about him IMO. Instead of taking a Roy type approach of announcing after the season. I personally think the guy was starting to lose it upstairs. Him going nuts on his own fans for telling Capel to come sit with them.

@approxinfinity he even got to do his own investigations! heck ya Zion recruitment clean!

Chris Carawell and Nolan Smith can't even pretend to be good sports. The apples don't fall far from the tree: 🐦 View Tweet?s=20

@Crimsonorblue22

Certainly lied about the Brooks thing but Brooks is Grayson Allen bad or worse, no wonder their personalities clashed

I think UK is now in but UNC is out

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@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)

Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round

Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.

We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I'm sure there are better places to do that than here.

Why do you hate him? Is it because he won at an extremely high level for so long with several high profile wins over KU during that time? Acknowledging that Coach K won titles in different eras doesn't mean I'm worshipping him, it means I'm acknowledging that he was a great coach over a very long period of time and was able to successfully adapt to different eras of college basketball.

I already told you why I hate him. I don't hate him because he sucks . I hate him because he's good. Other than the rotten personality, making everything all about him all the time (especially the retirement year), the lucky break he got when Archie Marshall went down in the FF, his sanctimonious lecturing of opposing players, and the fact he looks like the most unhappiest human being on earth, I love the freaking crap out of the original Rat face. No one will ever convince me he didn't get the easiest draws in the history of the sport on several of those natties. And no one will ever convince me that Bill isn't a better coach. So, you love him, I hate him.

@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:

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@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:

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@dylans said in Bubble Watch:

@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)

Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round

Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.

We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I'm sure there are better places to do that than here.

Why do you hate him? Is it because he won at an extremely high level for so long with several high profile wins over KU during that time? Acknowledging that Coach K won titles in different eras doesn't mean I'm worshipping him, it means I'm acknowledging that he was a great coach over a very long period of time and was able to successfully adapt to different eras of college basketball.

I already told you why I hate him. I don't hate him because he sucks . I hate him because he's good. Other than the rotten personality, making everything all about him all the time (especially the retirement year), the lucky break he got when Archie Marshall went down in the FF, his sanctimonious lecturing of opposing players, and the fact he looks like the most unhappiest human being on earth, I love the freaking crap out of the original Rat face. No one will ever convince me he didn't get the easiest draws in the history of the sport on several of those natties. And no one will ever convince me that Bill isn't a better coach. So, you love him, I hate him.

100% real facts here. Like you took them right out of my mind

@AsadZ said in Bubble Watch:

I think UK is now in but UNC is out

Agree with this. UNC's only way in is winning the ACC tournament

@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Bubble Watch:

@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Bubble Watch:

@approxinfinity said in Bubble Watch:

@dylans said in Bubble Watch:

@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)

Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round

Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.

We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I'm sure there are better places to do that than here.

Why do you hate him? Is it because he won at an extremely high level for so long with several high profile wins over KU during that time? Acknowledging that Coach K won titles in different eras doesn't mean I'm worshipping him, it means I'm acknowledging that he was a great coach over a very long period of time and was able to successfully adapt to different eras of college basketball.

I already told you why I hate him. I don't hate him because he sucks . I hate him because he's good. Other than the rotten personality, making everything all about him all the time (especially the retirement year), the lucky break he got when Archie Marshall went down in the FF, his sanctimonious lecturing of opposing players, and the fact he looks like the most unhappiest human being on earth, I love the freaking crap out of the original Rat face. No one will ever convince me he didn't get the easiest draws in the history of the sport on several of those natties. And no one will ever convince me that Bill isn't a better coach. So, you love him, I hate him.

Wow, so much failure of reading comprehension there on your part.

Where did I say you hate him because he sucks? I literally said because he won at a high level for a long period of time so thank you for reaffirming what I said.

Tell me where at any point I said I love Coach K? All I've said was that he won multiple titles in different eras and his ability to adapt to multiple eras was part of what made him a great coach. At no point, did I ever say he was a person of high moral character, only that he won a lot.

Sounds like you're just personally offended that someone can be a KU fan, but not wear crimson and blue blinders and is capable of acknowledging the accomplishments of non-KU related coaches. So grow up and realize that someone can have a different take on a matter than you without getting offended by that take.

Coach Ks secret lover is upset or in self denial. not sure which

@dylans said in Bubble Watch:

Coach Ks secret lover is upset or in self denial. not sure which

Neither actually, but next time actually have the balls to not be cryptic about who you're talking about. kthanxbye!

Personally, I've never disliked a coach more in any sport. Perhaps he was/is different behind the scenes, who knows but I have my doubts. I'm not watching that 30 for 30.

K reminds me of Belichek in that they lack the personable character to connect with. Some aren't built like that, and K is one of those people.

It is actually funny how embarrassed you'd have to be as a UNC fan. #1 preseason to missing the tourney is something fan bases will troll you about for YEARS.

Also this is a reminder that legacy hires may not be the best route to go when replacing Bill...

@Kcmatt7 said in Bubble Watch:

It is actually funny how embarrassed you'd have to be as a UNC fan. #1 preseason to missing the tourney is something fan bases will troll you about for YEARS.

Also this is a reminder that legacy hires may not be the best route to go when replacing Bill...

Legacy hires = disaster practically every time it's tried.

@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:

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@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:

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@Jethro said in Bubble Watch:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Bubble Watch:

@approxinfinity said in Bubble Watch:

@dylans said in Bubble Watch:

@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)

Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round

Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.

We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I'm sure there are better places to do that than here.

Why do you hate him? Is it because he won at an extremely high level for so long with several high profile wins over KU during that time? Acknowledging that Coach K won titles in different eras doesn't mean I'm worshipping him, it means I'm acknowledging that he was a great coach over a very long period of time and was able to successfully adapt to different eras of college basketball.

I already told you why I hate him. I don't hate him because he sucks . I hate him because he's good. Other than the rotten personality, making everything all about him all the time (especially the retirement year), the lucky break he got when Archie Marshall went down in the FF, his sanctimonious lecturing of opposing players, and the fact he looks like the most unhappiest human being on earth, I love the freaking crap out of the original Rat face. No one will ever convince me he didn't get the easiest draws in the history of the sport on several of those natties. And no one will ever convince me that Bill isn't a better coach. So, you love him, I hate him.

Wow, so much failure of reading comprehension there on your part.

Where did I say you hate him because he sucks? I literally said because he won at a high level for a long period of time so thank you for reaffirming what I said.

Tell me where at any point I said I love Coach K? All I've said was that he won multiple titles in different eras and his ability to adapt to multiple eras was part of what made him a great coach. At no point, did I ever say he was a person of high moral character, only that he won a lot.

Sounds like you're just personally offended that someone can be a KU fan, but not wear crimson and blue blinders and is capable of acknowledging the accomplishments of non-KU related coaches. So grow up and realize that someone can have a different take on a matter than you without getting offended by that take.

You were very rude to Approximity, and now you're being condescending to me. It's like you have no sense of humor. Quit taking yourself so seriously.

I am being condescending to you because you're apparently deliberately misquoting me, put words in my mouth, and claiming I said shit I didn't say, I don't fucking appreciate that shit or find it funny in the context you're doing it in. Doing dumb shit like that is something I don't like regardless if it's meant to be a joke or not because doing stupid shit like does have actual repercussions.

And yes, I do believe the take of dismissing someone's accomplishments because of personal bias against the person is stupid which is evidently what made you jump into something that your name wasn't brought up in.

How 'bout we simma down on a thread that has been fun and pretty active? Take it to the DMs if you need to.

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@drgnslayr You really can see how good of a coach K was after watching this crap show. (Always knew Roy was legit!)

Really? I was thinking the opposite. You put a kid who has no clue what hes doing in for K and they have about the same resume. Duke didnt get out of the first round something like 4 times under K since Self last got knocked out first round

Coach K won 5 national titles in 3 different eras of college basketball he knew how to coach and adaptto different eras. Upsets are more prone to happen with younger teams. Look at the years Self didn’t make it past the weekend and those are pretty much least experienced teams at KU. You can dislike him all you want, but to diminish his accomplishments is just plain ignorance and stupidity.

We have always paid Coach K the ultimate compliment- we hate his f***king guts. If you want to worship him, I'm sure there are better places to do that than here.

Why do you hate him? Is it because he won at an extremely high level for so long with several high profile wins over KU during that time? Acknowledging that Coach K won titles in different eras doesn't mean I'm worshipping him, it means I'm acknowledging that he was a great coach over a very long period of time and was able to successfully adapt to different eras of college basketball.

I already told you why I hate him. I don't hate him because he sucks . I hate him because he's good. Other than the rotten personality, making everything all about him all the time (especially the retirement year), the lucky break he got when Archie Marshall went down in the FF, his sanctimonious lecturing of opposing players, and the fact he looks like the most unhappiest human being on earth, I love the freaking crap out of the original Rat face. No one will ever convince me he didn't get the easiest draws in the history of the sport on several of those natties. And no one will ever convince me that Bill isn't a better coach. So, you love him, I hate him.

Wow, so much failure of reading comprehension there on your part.

Where did I say you hate him because he sucks? I literally said because he won at a high level for a long period of time so thank you for reaffirming what I said.

Tell me where at any point I said I love Coach K? All I've said was that he won multiple titles in different eras and his ability to adapt to multiple eras was part of what made him a great coach. At no point, did I ever say he was a person of high moral character, only that he won a lot.

Sounds like you're just personally offended that someone can be a KU fan, but not wear crimson and blue blinders and is capable of acknowledging the accomplishments of non-KU related coaches. So grow up and realize that someone can have a different take on a matter than you without getting offended by that take.

You were very rude to Approximity, and now you're being condescending to me. It's like you have no sense of humor. Quit taking yourself so seriously.

I am being condescending to you because you're apparently deliberately misquoting me, put words in my mouth, and claiming I said shit I didn't say, I don't fucking appreciate that shit or find it funny in the context you're doing it in. Doing dumb shit like that is something I don't like regardless if it's meant to be a joke or not because doing stupid shit like does have actual repercussions.

And yes, I do believe the take of dismissing someone's accomplishments because of personal bias against the person is stupid which is evidently what made you jump into something that your name wasn't brought up in.

Because I said you "loved" the Rat. OMG. Ok, guy...I know better now than to comment on your posts.

No. You claimed I said you hated Coach K because he sucks, nowhere did I say or even imply that so that would be you intentionally claiming I said something I didn't. Then you want to twist me acknowledging K's accomplishments into loving him more than Self which again is no basis. So when people try and pull stuff like that, I will be absolutely be an asshole about that stuff every single time because I don't find it funny.

@Jethro since you want to PM calling me prick about this, let me know when you're best friend has their life ruined by a false libel lawsuit because his ex-wife could afford a better lawyer than he could.

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How 'bout we simma down on a thread that has been fun and pretty active? Take it to the DMs if you need to.

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theres more going on here than college basketball. Freezing thread.

I have more to say about why i think Coach K is not nearly the coach Self is, but it feels like this one got too wild.