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Article from Sports Illustrated yesterday. - -Big 21 and Yormark still in Discussions with Gonzaga, Yormark and other league officials continue discussions with the Zags as well a Gonzaga consulting firm. Yormark also targeting U Conn and having dominant hoop programs on either Coast.

Big 12 meetings this week in WV starting Wedns through Friday will be to focus on Yormarks desire to expand the League to many s 16 teams. Also has been some talks about other possible teams San Diego State and UNLV these teams Gonzaga and others are also possibly contingent on rather or how many teams would joining the big 12 from the Pac 12. - -Things getting interesting

Colorado and Az look like they'll be the first to jump to the B12.

@Jethro said in And then we have these discussions:

Colorado and Az look like they'll be the first to jump to the B12.

Ya I have to agree with you buddy, Colardo could jump soon. Then Domino's will start falling in line . Some people still believe but IT IS happening maybe not tomorrow ----- - but IT IS HAPPENING, Colorado wants out, Arizona wants out. They are going to honor and wait and see about the new media deal IF they get one, but it's not going to matter it's not going to match up, the you will see things pop.

Another thing too is and people may not want to admit it but think when it's all sai and done then yes indeed GONZAGA WILL be a part of this new conference in the Basketball aspect. Yormarks wants this too much and just quite possibly U Conn ALSO joins in for Bsaketball purposes could happen, BUT i feel Gonzaga is almost a lock- -U Conn we shall see - -gonna be a different look in the near future for sure.

Glad you posted this.. I saw that article too. Of all the dramas swirling, conference realignment is my weak spot.

I just can't help ruminating about who will have a seat when the music stops.

@bskeet said in And then we have these discussions:

Glad you posted this.. I saw that article too. Of all the dramas swirling, conference realignment is my weak spot.

I just can't help ruminating about who will have a seat when the music stops.

I like to try to keep up with this, and on a football side I think chances are REALLY good from everything I've seen that three out of the four corner schools on this is almost a Given . - - I think it's just a mattre of who's 1st - - -Colorado OR Arizona , Arizona State going to follow Arizona if it's up to them, - out of the 4 I think Utah is the one that is kinda having the thought they high and mighty and thinks the Big 12 is garbage. - -but it's gonna happen, not sure who the teams will be BUT it will happen.---On the basketball side it sure looks like it's getting pretty heady with Gonzaga, so don't be surprised if they are not added for Basketball purposes too

Off the Baylor site Sic-em 365. They ha Denis Dodd on and was talking about things really heating up , just to much smoke. He again thinks Colorado will be the 1st to join.

Some information from Big 12 AD'S said they believe when everything tallied up Big 1 Schools will be getting close to 50 Mil. -- by the time you add football playoff - NCAA tourney and other the new media contract should be pushing close to 50 Mil per school.

I know some people here have said NO to adding Gonzaga as a School for Basketball they bringing nothing - BUT like Dodds said if the Big 12 ends up with like KU , Baylor , Arizona , And Gonzaga and others they could always break off and have their own separate Basketball media deal-- Don't see why not - what a Basketball Conference mercy

Well I see & hear now our expansion of the Big 12 has reached t ESPN. - Article about expansion there. - -Money /League distribution this year comes to right at 44 Million pe, Next year they are looking at 50 Million

They ARE discussion for sure about adding True Basketball powers in the League --Gonzaga & good chance of U Conn.

Thier thought process is this : They want to make move that separates the Big 12 away from all others in the Nation. Thinking what makes the Big 12 different then others ?

They realize , they fuly get that football is the driving force in all this - -they get it and it does make sense, Yormark and other from the league want to Double down in Basketball - -making it even MORE BVIOUS people understanding that the BIG 12 is THE BEST BASKETBALL conference in the Nation. You add Gonzaga - - -U Conn - - Arizona to go along with KU - - Baylor and others. They feel that they could quite possibly be able to Sell their TV basketball seperately from football -- selling their tV media rights seperately in Basketball. - Makes a lot of sense , a lot of classic match ups - -it's coming, we will see

Yarmark is going for differentiation, which is strategic and wise. And Basketball is a great feature of the B12 to build.

Sure, football is the driver today.. But given the growth of interest for basketball worldwide — the talent comes from nearly every continent on the planet now — and the continuing popularity of the NCAA tournament (which is really the crown jewel event of college athletics), it's not hard to see how this feature could have growing value to a network in the years to come.

If Yarmark is prescient, he'll have set up this conference to be much more than just relevant in the next 20 years.

If he’s right about basketball being ascendent we won’t be long for this league

Big news: the B12 announced their revenue for each team this year was 44 million dollars. I suspect expansion is coming pretty soon.

Get Ready , things really heating up. - - Colorado has called a Special Board Meeting for Tomorrow Jun 6th. Executive Session only, A Action Item Executive Session for Regents.

Colorado revised Status, will discuss legal Advice on a specific Athletics matter at CU. Tim Brando was on the program of peek around the Corner which talks College Football & states Hel feels the Big 12 has a Very VERY good chance that the Big 12 will add Colorado , Arizona , Arizona State & Utah making the Big 12 a very very strong power P-5 Conference.

Colorado meeting is scheduled for 3;30-5 tomorrow. - They was kind of using for comparison, in the same mee Discussing Legal advice. Colorado called this meeting and -- They say if we see this then keep your eyes open and ears Sharp. - -Colorado following the exact same pattern back in 2010 when they bolted for the Pac 12. - - They called the meeting and then a couple of days later they had another meeting when they had Pac 12 reps there. Still no TV contract for the Pac 12 - you see Colorado come and watch the Domino's fall

Just more fire with the Smoke. Coincidence ? - -I think not , just adds up to much. - Colorado having the meeting tomorrow and it just so happens that 3 Executive Board Members landed at DWF today on a private charte jeet from Denver, & our Big 12 Head Quarters are in Irving - - -11 minutes away from the DFW Airport - - - hmmmm , you tell me.

Well from tee sounds of it BY is giving notice to the PAC 12 Schools, they have until 6/30. Getting tired of these Schools indecision. This is fine with me , as we Don't need these Schools , we can be fine with what we have. - -Would I like Arizona ? - - sure , but not a necessity - They said they think Colorado has been ready for a couple of weeks but now for some reason feel they need to hold off just a tad.

This was tweeted out from FitzGerald : -That the Big 12 continues to wait for the PAC 12 to share official media offer BUT also saying that the end of JUN remains the dead line for more immediate membership.

Fitz says he continues to hear that the Big 1 is focused on Arizona , Colorado , U conn , & San Diego State. - -Makes some sense aas far as U conn if we dealing with Basketball side, Cause they for sure would help money wise with The Womens share- -true powerhouse, and men's pretty decent too.

And now looks like the domino's have started to fall. San Diego St has entered what they call - -but yet not call a letter saying as much they are withdrawing from the Mountain West. Like discussion said, you don't do that unless you've been accepted into another conference.- Sooo if they are joining the Pac 12 - -then who is leaving the Pac 12 --long been thought San Diego St replacing Colorado who has been long rumored to be coming back to the Big 12 - -then later you wil see Arizona -you can count on it.

San Diego St entered that letter to the Mountain West but yet asked for a one month extension. The Mountain West said ummmm NO you submitted your withdrawal you wait longer , you pay more.

I don't think there's much to the SDSU deal yet. It was basically a "hey we're breaking up if this other girl becomes single" letter lol

@FarmerJayhawk said in And then we have these discussions:

I don't think there's much to the SDSU deal yet. It was basically a "hey we're breaking up if this other girl becomes single" letter lol

they are screwd MW saying you want out - -were not giving you extension, you turned the letter in, we NOT giving you extension, if you go past the 1st of July , your exit fees double. - San Diego St replacing someone and that someone is Colorado. - This Expansion is real, it is going to happen , you can bank on it. Yormark way to Active perusing these Schools, he has been very vocal in this talking about it -- it's just a matter of time - -San Diego State jumped the gun. - - The Pac 12 media deal ( which they have none yet ) - is coming close to BIG 12--these teams gonna bail - Colorado - -Arizona and whoever else. - it's coming

Is Yormark considering SDSU? Would be on par with Cincinnati and the rando Florida school that were just added. Personally I’d stay away from any California schools due to their state policies having national ramifications and I wouldn’t want to invite that vampire in - easy to get a vampire in the door, much harder to get it out.

@dylans said in And then we have these discussions:

Is Yormark considering SDSU? Would be on par with Cincinnati and the rando Florida school that were just added. Personally I’d stay away from any California schools due to their state policies having national ramifications and I wouldn’t want to invite that vampire in - easy to get a vampire in the door, much harder to get it out.

There had been talk, that they had talked to the Big 12. or visa versa, but I think San Diego States preference is the PAC 12. - the whole point on this latest development is that , the general belief is now that # 1 you don't put in a withdrawal letter from one Conference unless you have been accepted into another Conference. Your not going to do something that stupid with no place to go.

Which leads us to the assumption that the domino's have now started to fall with this San Diego State move. This is either one of two things - - Either San Diego State has been accepted by the PAC 12 and they ar e replacing someone else already from that league - - someone who is leaving or wants out - - -that being most publicly Colorado & then more likely then not your going to see Arizona follow , OR San Diego State is coming to the Big 12. which there has been talks about.

We should know something for sure by the end of the Mont because if San Diego St isn't out by the 1st of July their exit fees double . A lot also depends on a PAC 12 media right which they STILL do not have and they or insiders some AD'S are saying won't come close to matching the Big 12 media deal - The PAC 12 is history. Word is that Oregon & Washinton have been accepted to the BIG but the BIG doesn't want to be the one's responsible for the collapse of the PAC -so they wait - one thing for sure -- -EXPANSION IS COMING

@dylans I believe California rescinded those restrictions on state-funded travel to states with, shall we say, less progressive legislation. Wouldn't be possible for UCLA to move to the Big 10 otherwise.

SDSU does nothing for the Big 12 and why would UConn want to move to the Big 12 after they fought to leave the AAC to go to the Big East.

If Yormark really wants to get to 16, another Florida school to pair with UCF would make sense. Why not make a run at Florida State because they're one of the driving forces behind the ACC's new pay structure and have poked around the ACC's GoR to try and leave before.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in And then we have these discussions:

SDSU does nothing for the Big 12 and why would UConn want to move to the Big 12 after they fought to leave the AAC to go to the Big East.

If Yormark really wants to get to 16, another Florida school to pair with UCF would make sense. Why not make a run at Florida State because they're one of the driving forces behind the ACC's new pay structure and have poked around the ACC's GoR to try and leave before.

Serious discussions between the Big 12 and U Conn - -more so then Gonzaga. AGAIN YorMark saying that he would like to have total different media deal in /basketball solidifying the Big 12 as the best Basketball conference.--- U Conn if w going the Basketball route would 10000 % bring prestige to the big 12. The Women by themselves is HUGE plus the success the men have had would do nothing but add to the dominance of the mens side

@jayballer67 said in And then we have these discussions:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in And then we have these discussions:

SDSU does nothing for the Big 12 and why would UConn want to move to the Big 12 after they fought to leave the AAC to go to the Big East.

If Yormark really wants to get to 16, another Florida school to pair with UCF would make sense. Why not make a run at Florida State because they're one of the driving forces behind the ACC's new pay structure and have poked around the ACC's GoR to try and leave before.

Serious discussions between the Big 12 and U Conn - -more so then Gonzaga. AGAIN YorMark saying that he would like to have total different media deal in /basketball solidifying the Big 12 as the best Basketball conference.--- U Conn if w going the Basketball route would 10000 % bring prestige to the big 12. The Women by themselves is HUGE plus the success the men have had would do nothing but add to the dominance of the mens side

UConn left the AAC in large part because of travel costs for their non-revenue sports. That issue doesn't get better in the Big 12 with occasional trips to Utah thrown in the mix. All of the talk about UConn to the Big 12 has been one way speculation with nothing that I'm aware of on UConn's side to show they are interested in moving to the Big 12 after fighting so hard to leave the AAC to rejoin the Big East.

UConn wouldn't join as basketball only members, their anchor of the football program that only made a bowl game by beating the other crappy independent schools, Liberty was their best won last season. Their football program wouldn't be far off of what KU was for the last 15 years if they moved into the Big 12.

@mayjay California is the reason pork producers are going broke nationwide as well. Just prefer to keep them as far away as possible due to the poorly thought out nature of their legislation and its national ramifications well beyond non-important things like sports. But a sports embargo on those morons is a-okay with me.

I follow this stuff super closely. In general, here's where I think things stand:

1) SDSU does not have a P5 invite yet. This game of musical chairs is all hinging on the PAC12 media deal negotiations and where that lands. Unfortunately for SDSU they can't wait much longer. They are coming up on a deadline at the end of June where their conference exit fee basically doubles. They tried to buy more time with their letter but failed. They may just exit and become independent, its a gamble that they eventually get a PAC invite. It seems likely to me that they join the PAC.

2) Yormark has said he wants the conference to span all four time zones. I think he has a list of schools and plans for possible additions. He has stated multiple times that additions need to be additive to the conference and be a fit culturally. I tend to agree that Big 12 should avoid california schools too as @dylans states above but if there was one that might be ok its SDSU, they are the closest aligned culturally i think. Its a risk though considering the state could decide to ban travel to other states they disagree with again.

3) Its a waiting game for the PAC schools to see what the deal is that they get before much happens. I think eventually Colorado joins the BIG12 and Yormark wants a second school to pair. Thats why we see talk of UCONN, Memphis, SDSU, etc. where they are searching for who would be that best second school if say Arizona doesn't come along with Colorado. The problem is, someone like UCONN is likely not 'additive' and someone that increases the conference's per school value.

4) Down the line when the ACC crumbles there will be some teams to scoop up there as well. All the talk about PAC dying may end up with no movement at all, its definitely a possibility.

Love the name of UCF'S Stadium - -they call it the Bounce House

Interesting on Brett Yormork. --- -- during the Big 12 media says he was talking saying on expansion that he likes 144 Schools , but if we go back to the 12 Schools he is perfectly fine, however if the opportunity presents it' self - - -

Ye during a different discussion with ON 3 different answer. He was asked the question : If we were to talk two years from now and the Big 12 hasn't expanded - - -would he be disappointed ? - -Yormok replied- - - thats a very interesting question. Then answered yes I would be a little disappointed. - he says 14 teams just kind of feels right.

Bottom line it really looks like that 14 teams is the target number Yormork would like, and it sure sounds like , that Colorado will be one & then he is really focusing in on U Conn bcause he is a Basketball guy and coming from the EAST. - They said some people frown on that but they came back and said you give U Conn 35 million from being in the big 12 and football wise, not saying they would win the big twelve but pretty sure they would field a competitive team.- Mora getting them to a bowl in his 1st year , they would be invested.

Sounding more and mor like the two teams he is targeting is Colorado & U Conn. - -botto line is thee will be more schools in the Big twelve and it will be sooner then later when the dust settles.

KCStar -✌️ Longhorn fans aren’t too happy with the Big 12 after its deputy commissioner said that Texas left the conference because “they would rather get beat by Alabama than Kansas State.” 😂

@dylans said in And then we have these discussions:

KCStar -✌️ Longhorn fans aren’t too happy with the Big 12 after its deputy commissioner said that Texas left the conference because “they would rather get beat by Alabama than Kansas State.” 😂

Ya I heard that - -thought that was pretty funny -Touche for him , and the truth hurts sometimes lol

On Yormork, get set, go!

@approxinfinity said in And then we have these discussions:

On Yormork, get set, go!

I really like him- - really got get er aggressive commish trying to improve the Conference

well now that the Pac 12 commish failed yet- - - AGAIN to deliver at the Pac 12 media days yet- -ONCE AGAIN. - -things are really heating up. A reporter says FWIW this reporter out of Florida ( UCF ) saying that according to sources that Colorado and U Conn well let it been known that they are accepting the invitations to join the Big 12 should be announced by the end of the week - -take that wit a grain a salt but still

Hutch mine levels of salt. I bet the PAC stays together and Yormark comes back and says well basketball is actually the future, so let’s have UConn and Gonzaga play in Singapore

Shout out hutch salt mine! You need to see.

@FarmerJayhawk said in And then we have these discussions:

Hutch mine levels of salt. I bet the PAC stays together and Yormark comes back and says well basketball is actually the future, so let’s have UConn and Gonzaga play in Singapore

I don't think there is any chance in hell the PAC stays together.. Oh sur they say they want to stay together, what would you expect them to say. They STILL have no Tv media deal, Apple is there only option and they are not going to settle for 100% streaming, Colorado fan base is NOT HAPPY. they keep hearing they gonna get some numbers on the deal - -and steal nothing. Ol Geroge is killing himself, he has screwed up so bad and the statement he made at their media days was lethal , you talk about talking out both sides of your mouth - just see NO WAY, they looking for a deal of 50 Mil to keep up with the Big 12 - that's figuring the playoff/bowl monies and everything else.

Like they said noboby gonna sign a GOR with tv Media deal and they don't have that , and reports are the numbes they are hearing is no want they wanted, a lot less - -just can't see it

@jayballer67 that may be how it turns out! I just don't think the gap will be large enough for the presidents and chancellors to actually pull the plug.

@FarmerJayhawk said in And then we have these discussions:

@jayballer67 that may be how it turns out! I just don't think the gap will be large enough for the presidents and chancellors to actually pull the plug.

Just since I posted my response have seen where Multiple sources saying U Conn will be joining the Big 12 within the next week to ten days.
Asfar as the PAC 12 -bottom line is they have no media deal, these parents are wanting to know how they are going to be able to see their kid play - -These schools are 100 % against all streaming, and that's Apples answer.

Ol George all we he can say oh we wil announce soon the deal - -he has been saying that for almost an entire year - -and STII nothing . If Colorado is the 1st school that jumps and that is the most popular speculation, if they jump then the domino's fall - BIG teh in turn goes for Oregon & Washington & then in turn you will see following Colorado--these two schools are fed up with the mess the PAC has turned into-- there wil be nothing left

Man this stuff is so crazy. - Tibits : - - Apple wants the entire media rights for the PAC 12, which would be 100 % streaming and the Pac 2 Presidents saying - - umm nope. , so Apple saying umm NOPE.

PAC 12 running out of options, agree with them on Apple though as that would be 100 % streaming and like was said that's a recruiting killer.

The popular belief is that the PAC 12 schools know what the Media numbers are and there comin in about 12 Millon dollars less then BIG 12 and only best they have would be 20 % linear - - NOT GOOD.

@jayballer67 said in And then we have these discussions:

Man this stuff is so crazy. - Tibits : - - Apple wants the entire media rights for the PAC 12, which would be 100 % streaming and the Pac 2 Presidents saying - - umm nope. , so Apple saying umm NOPE.

PAC 12 running out of options, agree with them on Apple though as that would be 100 % streaming and like was said that's a recruiting killer.

The popular belief is that the PAC 12 schools know what the Media numbers are and there comin in about 12 Millon dollars less then BIG 12 and only best they have would be 20 % linear - - NOT GOOD.

Dead on arrival. There was a graph floating around Twitter that showed that Colorado has lost over 67 million dollars since going to the Pac12 versus if they had stayed in the B12. I'm thinking they'll be back soon.

@Jethro said in And then we have these discussions:

@jayballer67 said in And then we have these discussions:

Man this stuff is so crazy. - Tibits : - - Apple wants the entire media rights for the PAC 12, which would be 100 % streaming and the Pac 2 Presidents saying - - umm nope. , so Apple saying umm NOPE.

PAC 12 running out of options, agree with them on Apple though as that would be 100 % streaming and like was said that's a recruiting killer.

The popular belief is that the PAC 12 schools know what the Media numbers are and there comin in about 12 Millon dollars less then BIG 12 and only best they have would be 20 % linear - - NOT GOOD.

Dead on arrival. There was a graph floating around Twitter that showed that Colorado has lost over 67 million dollars since going to the Pac12 versus if they had stayed in the B12. I'm thinking they'll be back soon.

I totally agree, and actually it is 70 Million they have lost and only one winning season.- - add to that Prime is after them to bolt because gives Colorado better access to Texas recruiting.. Another thing is too and some don't lie it , but it is becoming much more of a possibility that U Conn will be added.

True their football won't add much value right now the general overall view is when you expand it's not what your getting now -- it's what it will be 5-6 years down the road. U Conn Mora is their ne Coach took them to a bowl game in his 1st year and wasn't that long ago they were a decent team in football - - plus the media market in the East is what Yormark is looking for, - Plus there CAN NOT be any debate period as to the Value their men's & Womens Basketball teams will bring now. Immediate value. Yormark is working on a totally different view as he is looking to separate the Football media rights from Basketball getting a media deal too for basketball - -totally separate and there is if that's the case then U Conn should be a no brainer to add in the Conference.

@Jethro said in And then we have these discussions:

@jayballer67 said in And then we have these discussions:

Man this stuff is so crazy. - Tibits : - - Apple wants the entire media rights for the PAC 12, which would be 100 % streaming and the Pac 2 Presidents saying - - umm nope. , so Apple saying umm NOPE.

PAC 12 running out of options, agree with them on Apple though as that would be 100 % streaming and like was said that's a recruiting killer.

The popular belief is that the PAC 12 schools know what the Media numbers are and there comin in about 12 Millon dollars less then BIG 12 and only best they have would be 20 % linear - - NOT GOOD.

Dead on arrival. There was a graph floating around Twitter that showed that Colorado has lost over 67 million dollars since going to the Pac12 versus if they had stayed in the B12. I'm thinking they'll be back soon.

BOOOOM ! ! ! AND SO NOW IT BEGINS !. The 1st step in expansion is now i motion. - -just came out, well Colorado had a Board of regents today, and now have scheduled a public meeting for tomorrow which they have to do sa following procedure in moving /leaving the Pac 12. - -open to public tomorrow, Media is just blowing up - - On top of that Big 12 Presidents having a meeting tonight, presumably to discuss expansion - - -there ya go - -sounds or I smell well media smells lots of smoke and see the fire.

Watch now you about to see the BIG now there is talk that talks have been going behind the scenes that the BIG is more likely then not to take Oregon , Washington , Standford AND cal. - -you will also see Arizona move before long and chances are Arizona State and even Utah just like was talked about for moths and months.

It's here expansion is on the horizon like it or not - - it's coming

Lots and lots of Smoke about Oregon St. being said if Big 12 gives an invite- - it's a done deal. - - Talk about Utah needs to get off the all mighty horse and come to Big 12 or get left behind.

Colorado to announce Friday. - -Arizona, ha emergency regents meeting tonight - -could very well be Colorado - -Arizona - - Arizona St and Oregon St

I think Oregon is the other one

Dana Altman. It will be fun exacting revenge.

@FarmerJayhawk said in And then we have these discussions:

I think Oregon is the other one

Very possible, although pretty reliable source on these thing shas been stating keep your eyes on Oregon State. But no matter the PAC is done.

The conversation has been that Prime was big in this, ever since he was hired by Colorado he wanted to be able to recruit in Big 12 territory/Texas. The PAC destroyed itself by messing around and not getting any media deal. - Ol George trying to bluff his wy through saying things were looking up cause the longer they waited that more suitors were coming to the table. -Word is Pac wanted to high of media deal at any rate, Arizona hsa called an emergency meeting tonight, Oregon State had an emergency meeting yesterday, and word is that if they do get an invite - -Oregon State is a done deal. -- Utah better get their act together and get off their high horse thiking they better then Big 12- -or get left behind - so much going on right now

I'm hearing it's Wazzu.

OSU or Wazzu would be both hilarious and sad. Had a buddy interview for a job at OSU and said it was more like Tulsa than KU

@FarmerJayhawk said in And then we have these discussions:

OSU or Wazzu would be both hilarious and sad. Had a buddy interview for a job at OSU and said it was more like Tulsa than KU

And, embarrassing. The bottom of the P12 barrel in both athletics and academics...

@DCHawker I dunno- WSU has been to a bowl game 8 out the last 10 years. Colorado was 1-11 last year. I know they suck at basketball, but so does Colorado. Another easy win. The other team I have heard is Oregon St, but lots of folks aren't very excited about them. I might add that the Wazzu AD used to be the AD at Tator U ( formerly known as Silo Tech).

@Jethro said in And then we have these discussions:

@DCHawker I dunno- WSU has been to a bowl game 8 out the last 10 years. Colorado was 1-11 last year. I know they suck at basketball, but so does Colorado. Another easy win. The other team I have heard is Oregon St, but lots of folks aren't very excited about them. I might add that the Wazzu AD used to be the AD at Tator U ( formerly known as Silo Tech).

WSU is 7-6, 7-6, and 6-7 the past 3 (non-Covid) years. And, yes, they suck at basketball. But, Pullman WA and Corvallis OR? The former is almost impossible to get to. Spokane is a thriving metropolis compared to Pullman.

I don't get it. Neither would bring basketball, football or academic cred, they don't bring TV eyeballs, and they cenrtainly aren't recruiting hotbeds. What would be the rationale for either OSU or WSU?

@Jethro said in And then we have these discussions:

I'm hearing it's Wazzu.

No don't think so, just got through listening to podcast ad WSU just doesn't bring enough, & I guess probably not Oregon St either even though there was a lot of buzz should be interesting tomorrow. Colorado votes tomorrow - -well public meeting but all sources saying tomorrow is just a formality, for Colorado to apply for Big 12 , cause rumor has it Colorado already been given verbal invitation - -Some seem to think the other school other then the 4 corners might be Oregon, BUT others saying Oregon believes BIG invite now coming since Colorado has made their move to get the ball rolling.

@Jethro said in And then we have these discussions:

@DCHawker I dunno- WSU has been to a bowl game 8 out the last 10 years. Colorado was 1-11 last year. I know they suck at basketball, but so does Colorado. Another easy win. The other team I have heard is Oregon St, but lots of folks aren't very excited about them. I might add that the Wazzu AD used to be the AD at Tator U ( formerly known as Silo Tech).

They made those bowl games because they had Mike Leach before he went to MSU.

Martin Stadium is small and if Washington St. was in the Mountain West, they'd still have the smallest stadium in the conference. Washington St. and Oregon St. are among the smallest athletic department budgets among P5 schools and like KSU, are only in P5 conferences because they are "original" members of those leagues. WSU and OSU, like KSU, are more on par with the Mountain West or AAC in terms of athletic department budgets than they are with the bigger schools in their leagues.

I can't see Yormark having much interest in adding WSU or OSU to the Big 12.

Talk on the podcast from insiders saying Utah may have just screwed themselves for joining the Big 12 . Source saying Utah hasn't even been given a verbal invite from the Big 12,, Utah thinking they better , now where you at ? -

Also tonight the Big 12 voted unanimously to accept Colorado into the Big 12, even though Colorado hsn't YET asked, But that comes tomorrow 3:00 Standard time. - -The talk is Arizona now on the move - -already they had an emergency meeting tonight , the talk right now is Arizona - Colorado - - Arizona state although they really didn't want to leave the Pac that much, but did say whatever Arizona did they would follow, and then LOT'S of smoke about the surprise team being Oregon State - -Brett has stated that he only wants teams that wants to be here ( the Big 12 ) -Utah was luke warm on coming to Big 12 - -now might bite them in the ass

Why don't we just go back to a legit big 10, a legit big 8, a legit PAC 10, the ACC what it was, the SW Conference which was very good, etc, etc.?

@wissox They really should for non-revenue producing sports. Regional conferences help keep travel expenses down.

They talking about what they are calling a A-3 system breaking it down to like 26 teams in each Conference -that's BS, but I guess they thinking about possibilities - -it would be the BIG - - SEC - -& Big 1 although would be way more then twelve. - they had a graph showing the teams in the different conferences can't even remember them all, it was on one of the podcasts. - -I hope it doesn't come to that

So now we go through the formality of Colorado submitting the request to come back to the Big 12 , that's at 4 this afternoon. , Arizona now on the clock which also seems to be a very strong possibility.- -then Arizona St.

That Brings us the 4th School. Who will be the 4th School if we do end up taking 4 which seems to be the general rumor . For the longest time it has been speculated it would be Utah , but Brett also has made the statement that he only wanted Schools that wanted to be here. Utah had been kind of reluctant. , dragging their feet , well now that the 1st part of the down fall of the PAC 12 has been set in motion - - -now there is panic for Utah as now we are finding out that Utah hasn't been given that verbal invitation to the Big 12 by Brett.

Well now there has been rumor that there is another PAC 12 School that is interested in the BIG 12 and not one of the 4 corner schools, has been a lot of smoke about the possibility of it being Oregon St. The thinking is it would give them that 4th time zone they been looking for automatically.

A fe other sources saying it's Oregon might be the other School. - -That would be great, BUT kind of a mixed review/bad. - -As most know Oregon & Washington have been wanting to get into the BIG. The BIG commissioner as of 12 hours ago stated that the BIG has no desire to expand any further at the present time and want to focus on scheduling, Olympic sports and various other things , ye we have also hear that Washington and Oregon had already been vetted by the BIG. Sooo which is it ? - The BIG has ben quoted or so thy say is that they don't want to be the ones that are made out to be the one's who destroyed the PAC
12. So now the Colorado has made it's move they could possibly go ahead and accept Washington & Oregon but yet says not interested at adding at present.

So here is the deal , Rumor has it that Washington & Orgon are going to try one more time for acceptance from the BIG , so what happens if they get rejected ? Then Oregon applies to the Big 12 , like I said great would be a great add BUT what you have to realize is if accepted by Big 12 Oregon could very easily bolt in like 5 years for the BIG even been a little talk about both Washing AND Oregon to the Big 12 if BIG says no. but again mixed bag cause they will run like a stripped s Ape if BIG were to offer, then Big 1 would be right back to looking for replacement teams just like wehn Texa and Oklahoma pulled their BS - -gonna get interesting real quick

@jayballer67 If Oregon amd Washington were the 15th and 16th teams, it would be the blow that losing two schools when you're already down to 8 or 10 schools would be. A 16 team Big 12 would be in a much better position to absorb potentially losing schools like Oregon and Washington than a potentially 8 team PAC 12 would be.

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@jayballer67 If Oregon amd Washington were the 15th and 16th teams, it would be the blow that losing two schools when you're already down to 8 or 10 schools would be. A 16 team Big 12 would be in a much better position to absorb potentially losing schools like Oregon and Washington than a potentially 8 team PAC 12 would be.

One of the most key points is and Brett has already showed this -- -is a key phrase , Brett only wants teams that wants to be here. - -the question is does Oregon and Washington really want to be here ? - -The simple answer is NO - - No they really don't - -they want the BIG, they are schools that think they are to good for the Big 12, their fan base has said as much, . - All they are doing if they did come is they are in a panic now, the BIG said Commissioner ( Tony Petetti )has said that the BIG is not interested in more expansion right now, and Washington & Oregon is now at a Defcon 5 because the BIG at this present moment says they are sitting pat and the PAC is a dumpster fire looking for a place to burn. - - So Washington & Oregon trying to find someplace to go, not because the Big 12 is where they want to be BUT where they feel they have to be.

That is not the type of scenario Brett is looking for - Utah is finding out how that works. Utah is another School that before really didn't want the Big 12 , and now Colorado has put the car in gear and the PAC is on their way to destruction and Utah is looking like - - -now what do we do, as they found out Utah hasn't even been given a verbal invitation that everybody was thinking that Utah would automatically be part of the 4 corner. - Brett has also said the Big 12 will not double Dip , taking teams from the PAC, so if you don't get invited NOW - - -your screwed cause we not coming back.

Now maybe Brett does invite Oregon, I think Washington STILL doesn't want and is not showing any interest in coming to the Big 12, so ya maybe , maybe Oregon does get the invite BUT they better not hesitate - -or they too will be left behind - just hate to see us add a team and then 4-5 yrs down the line they bolt.

Tbh we don't really want to be here either

Little birdie told me Stanford is another school to watch. Big 12 Presidents and Chancellors would love to have their academics and Olympic sports. And their tv ratings in football are better than you'd think https://sports.yahoo.com/pac-12-football-tv-ratings-155526207.html ↗

Vote was unanimous. Colorado is in

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Tbh we don't really want to be here either

I don't think we are going to have to worry about them coming BUT they are meeting with Big 12 officials tonight to discuss expansion

Some pretty good smoke with Arizona, one report saying could be done by Monday , ye another says possible vote by Thursday. Either way think they will be here in th end. Again watch out for Oregon State a lot more talk this afternoon sources saying Oreon State is hot

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@DCHawker I dunno- WSU has been to a bowl game 8 out the last 10 years. Colorado was 1-11 last year. I know they suck at basketball, but so does Colorado. Another easy win. The other team I have heard is Oregon St, but lots of folks aren't very excited about them. I might add that the Wazzu AD used to be the AD at Tator U ( formerly known as Silo Tech).

They made those bowl games because they had Mike Leach before he went to MSU.

Martin Stadium is small and if Washington St. was in the Mountain West, they'd still have the smallest stadium in the conference. Washington St. and Oregon St. are among the smallest athletic department budgets among P5 schools and like KSU, are only in P5 conferences because they are "original" members of those leagues. WSU and OSU, like KSU, are more on par with the Mountain West or AAC in terms of athletic department budgets than they are with the bigger schools in their leagues.

I can't see Yormark having much interest in adding WSU or OSU to the Big 12.

I don't think Wazzu got the memo that their success on the football field was only due to Leach considering they made a bowl game the last 2 years in row without him. The people who saying the mystery team is Wazzu know alot more than you or I know about the situation. I'm going take their word for it.

Another tid bit from these expansion talks. -Rumor saying that Brett & Big 12 gave the four corner Schools and told them August 1st is the date- -the cut off day for the Schols to decide, if the Big 12 doesen't have decision - -by then - - well then we move on, & no double dipping

@FarmerJayhawk here's a nice graphical representation (slightly dated) of Stanford's dominance across all ncaa sports. https://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2018-07-06/colleges-most-ncaa-championships ↗

So now we come to this. There seems to be mixed feelings/discussions possibly as to what the Big 12 does next. - seems to be general consensus the Big 12 is now at 13 teams /schools for 2024. The question is we all know we are not staying at 13. So we have heard some saying we add one more team to bring it to 14 - -then there are several that say they think we still got 3 coming.

Some talk that the media /tv is saying ok whoaa let's add the 1 team and see how it goes with 14 teams for a bit all we add for now , but yet again I'm hearing from insiders they we are still looking to add 3 more teams

IF it is just one, pretty clear that Yormork has Targeted Arizona from the pack , although they have become a bit more dragging their feet lately . The talk is Yormork has been in touch with ALL PAC 12 institutions and visa versa. - There had been talk that Oregon was interested in coming. BUT Yormork has stated that we want schools who actually want to be here for the long haul, and Oregon & Washington starting to sweat the PAC 12 is imploding and the BIG is saying they are not looking to add at this point. That leaves Oregon and Washington in a situation - -Do they come to the BIG 12 and then bolt within 5 years with the next media negotiations ? or do they take a chance and try to ride it out with the PAC ? - -talk is they would want to come to the BIG 12, but Brett is not looking to be a stepping stone, and would be asking them to sign a long term deal.
So like I said we are really looking at Arizona - IF for some reason Arizona wants to stay on the titanic and sink then they are about to see their life line leave, a rumor has it that we have pretty much given any PAC 12 members to decide by Aug 1st then we are gone. -- If that turns out and still only one - -the rumor becomes that U Conn is up next Brett really wants to get the North East covered and adding U CONN would bring in the NY media market huge brand media Some feel that U Conn not as bad as people trying to make them out in football , and they are on the rebound. You don't expand for what you get now -you have to look 4-5 years down the road and people feel that they are improving with their new Coach.

Fitz from Power Cat .com on his daily dose is one who believes it's better if we end up still adding three more going to 16 - - still a lot of smoke around that too, gonna be or could be an interesting week coming up

Not sure if anyone has heard these things either, I mean there have been rumblings , and not saying it's happening tomorrow , or the yr or even the next, but we HAVE heard this before. What I/we think is happening is your seeing a trend and tey are talking about, wht we are going to end up happening is like having three MEGA CONFERENCES

Calling something like the - - A - -3 - -which very much like the - -BIG - - SEC - - & the Big 12 or whatever it will eventually be called as you can't keep it as the Big 12 when you have 14- -16 teams or whatever.

What sounds like trending your going to see these three mega conferenes in the end , with having 24-25 teams in each conference and they are going to break away from the NCAA and have a completely different Governing Body. Things not that far down the road going to put a totally different look to the College athletics scene

I’m concerned that if Oregon and Washington jumped to the Big 12, they would leave as soon as the B1G asked them. I’d rather do without them joining the Big 12.

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I’m concerned that if Oregon and Washington jumped to the Big 12, they would leave as soon as the B1G asked them. I’d rather do without them joining the Big 12.

Not to worry my friend. - - They not coming, keep your eyes on Arizona this coming week, would say they are like right about 85 % chance they going to be team 14. and could be as early as Tuesday,- - Brett want schools that want to be in the Big 12, Oregon and Washington just using us as a sleep over , even though the BIG says they not taking anybody right now - -you watch Arizona comes to the BIG 12 - -then BIG invitesd Oregon and Washington. - not to worry they won't be in the Big 12

Well ol George Kliavkoff trying to pull off a last minute miracle. - -The PAC 12 /9 is having a meeting Tuesday and George trying to convince Arizona to stay , Sources say the chances ol George pulls that off is almost Nil.

Sources saying looks like /sounds like the BIG is going to allow the Big 12 to deliver the kill shot to the PAC 12.

Now an real interesting piece came out today that the Big 10 is adding Oregon - - Washinton - - Florida State - -& Clemson this week - -only can say WOW, not real sure that's happening but it has came out by multiple sources today.- - -Florida St is very PO'D at the Acc about the TV media deal, and they feel they have found the way out , they could sue the ACC because they are not getting the media amount that they were told and suing for fraud and withdrawing from the ACC. -

Later heard came out as breaking that the ACc has lowered the fees to 300 Million /buyout whatever and could be paid in 30 Million installments annually.

If this happens then sources say you then see the ACC start to implode, and w get closer to the - - -A-3 - -3 mega conferences of like 25-26 teams in these 3. - - which in turn you would see 4 ACC teams probably end up in the SEC - - 4 teams in the BIG - -& 4 teams in the BIG 12/ or whatever it would be called. We shall see I'm not that sure about this, but this is what came out this morning.

Boy things could be really interesting in the next few days. - -Arizona having their Executive Board meeting tomorrow , we had heard that chances are that the Big 12 would only add one more and that would be it , and be at 14.

Not so sure now, talk is that Arizona , Arizona St , & Utah wanting to band together sign of solidarity, so now looks like what had been mentioned that in the end we might very well end up with all 3.

Here is where it interesting, Ol George is giving a media update tomorrow, word is that he will disclose the amount of the Media deal ,BUT according to Jason Scheer which is usually spot on in these expansion things is reporting that the deal is going to be 20 million payout per school and mostly streaming. - - -IF that is the Deal then the PAC is - -DONE PERIOD, you will see teams bailing left and right.
They have it figured with the big 12 well right now with the payouts from the NCAA tourney, multiple teams in - -multiple teams in the football playoffs with a 14 Big 12 league the pay out would be hitting 60 million - IF we were to go to a15 team league- - you probably looking North of 60 Million

Tomorrow will be a very telling day looking to the future. - - 14 Big12- - or 16 ? - -Sources say they STILL think in the end we end with 16

I would prefer quality over quantity for the Big 12. Getting to 16 doesn't get you more $$$ unless the additions represent markets that will drive up the value to TV (thinking of Oregon State and Washington State...)

The ACC could be thinking that allowing two unhappy members to leave is not so bad in an environment rich with replacements (like Stanford and Cal).

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I would prefer quality over quantity for the Big 12. Getting to 16 doesn't get you more $$$ unless the additions represent markets that will drive up the value to TV (thinking of Oregon State and Washington State...)

The ACC could be thinking that allowing two unhappy members to leave is not so bad in an environment rich with replacements (like Stanford and Cal).

the only problem with Stanford & Cal is as I've been seeing from and hearing from podcasts and from fans of the PAC 12 is Stanford and Cal suck at their sports and tv media doesn't value their games they play , so they for sure don't bring any value.- -Their football games the sources say they are playing in almost totally empty stadiums, they suck in Basketball and to be quite frank arre a couple of teams that are in serious jeopardy of being left behind with the implosion of the PAC 12.

They were hoping to some degree that maybe they could get an invite from the BIG but BIG sources say there is 100 % no interest in those two Schools. -- They are in the same boat with the likes Of Washinton State , As far a the ACC , they really don't want to add these Schools either as they add nothing and you sure don't want to take on two lame duck schools to a conference that is already about to be in the same position as the PAC. - the most likely destination for Schools like Stanford and Cal is to stay put in the PAC as they race to find replacements other schools being mentioned to join the PAC 12 is San Diego St again SMU , Toledo & Tulane these are schools being mentioned for the PAC trying to replace schools leaving. Stanford and Cal either STAYS in the PAC or possibly if the league just implodes 100 % then like others end up in the Mountain West

Can we rename this thread please? lol

A lot of chatter for Arizona being the next team to pop for the Big12. Would be a great addition. Assuming that they are the next domino to fall, it will be super interesting to see what happens with OR, WA, UU, & ASU. If two more go to the Big12 then I think the PAC is dead. If they stay they can hold on a bit longer until OR & WA leave which they have made pretty clear they are trying to do - i.e. get into the BIG. They think they are in strong consideration for the next group to get in but that may not be accurate. So who really knows what will happen. Going to be exiting to follow. And I admit, I'm cheering for the collapse of the PAC.

Great Video/post on you tube - - Titled Pac 12 condition- -check it out

Well pretty well settles that. Word has leaked just as sources had reported, that yes the PAC 12's Tv media isn't getting it cut. Reported Yes it is Apple so majority streaming, and streming IS NOT the future for live sports anyways the report is 20 Million pe School MAYBE , MAYBE depending on subscriptions a couple of Mil more.

Apple is buying out the PAC 12 Network which was a disaster and paying a one time payment of 70 Mil to the Conference which just coincidentally is what is the debt to comcast. The PAC is toast and you will be seeing Arizona come to the Big twelve,.

As far as Arizona St , & Utah - -screw Utah they just firmly believe they are better then the Big 12 not answering Big 12 calls being reported. - So we could stil see Arizona - -Arizona St - - & U Conn , Yormork really wants U Conn

B12 should definitely take AZ, ASU and UConn if possible. That's 16. But honestly, if he could get 2 more really decent schools to join in the aftermath of the P12 collapse, I would think it's ok to get to 18. Given all that is going on, there could be some churn.

With the 16 you could have a fairly decent East/West Conference split with AZ, ASU, BYU, Colorado, Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston in the West and Ok St, KSU, KU, ISU, WVU, Cinn, Uconn, UCF in the East. I know Houston is technically east of a few of the more northern schools but figured you'd keep all of Texas together for potential rivalries and travel sake.

Or you could do 4 pods with a Far West (Zonas, BYU, and CO), Texas (Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston), Midwest (OKSt, KU, KSU, ISU), East (WVU, Cinn., UConn, UCF).

Could be fun. For basketball, home and home with your pod and alternating home away every season with the rest.

For football, always play your pod and then a rotating schedule of the other sections.

At this point getting to 16 makes sense. Strength in numbers.

Wow - - sounds like things are about to jump right off the plank. It now sounds like from reports coming out that the BIG has fired back up talks about Oregon & Washington Reports are that they have re-open talks, things had cooled down with the change in Commissioners' but now heating up.

Now here is the thing not only is it being reported about Oregon & Washington but also considering Stanford and Cal -plus along keeping an eye on the ACC disruption mainly like Clemson & Florida State.

Thing is the BIG STILL does not want to be seen as the one that basically destroyed the PAC - -still wanting to see what happens to the PAC teams - Arizona - -Arizona St and that kind of thing. Now some of this could take a year or two but things are going to heat up quickly in some - -hold onto your butts. the scenery of College football is about to change drastically. - -

All of this just further points to the conversation of what it boils downs too is -the impulsion of the PAC - -and the impending impulsion of the ACC , don't laugh it's coming with Florida St and Clemson leading the way -all of this isleading us closer to the three Mega Conferences - -the A-3 with a totally different Governing committee seperate from the NCAa - WATCH - it's happening

Stanford and Cal seems to make a lot of sense

The big10 💯 % blew up the pac12 when it poached the two teams worth having.

Apple TV is offering a season of all PAC12 games for $99.99. $8/month for sports and $7/month for AppleTV+ is $15. It appears to cover all televised PAC12 sports.

Would you take this deal for the Big 12?

@Gorilla72 how does that work if you dont have apple tv? Cant get the content presumably. No thanks!

Its important for people to have nationwide access to our games. As much as i hate espn, i want us to be on after the Duke game. I dont want to be pushed off into a little pay bubble. Thats a losing formula imo.

Well just broke right around 4, pretty much already knew but NOW it has came out that Arizona -Arizona St - - & Utah in serious talks with the Big 12, we are going to end up with a 16 team Conference

Rumors are that the big ten takes Washington, Oregon, cal, Stanford. We get corner schools…. FSU, unc, Clemson all want big money. So either this year or next. Acc collapses. So essentially we are 3rd conference we end up with the scraps… Louisville Pitt Georgia tech etc

Big 12 board had meeting tonight and approved the addition of Arizona it's al a formality, Arizona haad a bOR meeting tonight along with Arizona St and according to Jason Scheer from the Wildcat Insider said it's just a formality they should have things wrapped up tonight and hopefully along with Arizona St be able to Announce they are leaving the PAC.

The BOR over see's Arizon and Arizona State both, so virtual lock that now Arizona & Arizona State coming and then Utah will follow according to multiple sources

PAC is staying together

@FarmerJayhawk - source?

@Gorilla72 aaaand it fell apart as quickly as it came back together ope

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On to UConn!

Arizona hsa been accepted to the Big twelve by the Big twelve board last night - -just waiting for Arizona St

Well we finally got it , Arizona , Utah , and fricken Arizona St all applied for member ship to the big 12 today.-- Arizona has been voted in , BOR meeting tonight to vote in Utah and Ariz St. Crow better feel lucky that Brett believes in 2nd chances Crow about really screwed this up for Arizona St

From what I read, it looks like AZ won’t come to the Big 12 without AZ State, as they share a common board of regents. ???

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From what I read, it looks like AZ won’t come to the Big 12 without AZ State, as they share a common board of regents. ???

It's happening.

I cannot even imagine what this would feel like if it was the Big12 getting shredded overnight. Glad it's not, and hopefully this solidifies our position for a while?

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I cannot even imagine what this would feel like if it was the Big12 getting shredded overnight. Glad it's not, and hopefully this solidifies our position for a while?

The PAC 12's inept leadership of Scott and Kliavkoff is why it didn't happen. The PAC 12 has had 2 chances to end kill the Big 12 and could never pull the trigger. Texas and OU had one foot out the door of the Big 12 back in 2011, but the PAC didn't pull the trigger. They also had a chance at a killshot 2 years ago after Texas and OU announced they were going to the SEC and again failed to pull the trigger and kill Big 12.

The PAC 12 has nobody to blame but themselves for the death of their conference.

Was just listening to Arizona St podcast and talking about their new league and no we have THIS BREAKING

Bret Yormork in discussions and looking to add Gonzaga & U Conn for Basketball only - - -HOLYSMOKES

Was listening to multiple podcasts around today, and heard this from more then one. - Was Stated with the make up of the Big 12 now the they think that OVERALL in Total - -ALL sports that the Big 12 that w ar the most athletic overall of any conference. Not saying the best in Football -- But we are best athletic league OVERALL in ALL sports combined. - -Very well could be

So - what’s the conference part of KU’s schedule now gonna look like? No more home and away games for each team obviously.

So is the Pac 12 officially dead? Or will they merge with the mountain west?

New Big 12/16. 4 pods or 2 divisions?

@Bosthawk yeah the home and away matchups were nice, even if it meant the conference was precariously small.

@approxinfinity - best way to determine regular season winner.

Sweet 16!

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New Big 12/16. 4 pods or 2 divisions?

You can't really do anything super effective in football. If you wanted to have something, splitting the league into quadrants and having a school play the other 3 schools in the quadrant every and develop a rotating system where all 12 non Texas schools play at least 1 road game in Texas per year to help schools with recruiting visibility in the state.

For basketball, you could keep the quadrant system and still have an 18 game schedule with each school playing the other 3 teams in their quadrant home and away (this helps some rivalry games like the Holy War, KU/KSU, UA/ASU, etc.) and play the other 12 schools once each season. Whenever the non Arizona amd Utah schools make their trek out west for the 2 road games against whichever combination of schools it'd be that season, play those games back to back to minimize travel time and expenses for school.

Olympic sports can use that system based on however many schools participate in that sport to try and minimize travel expenses for schools.

Jason Scheer which has been on top of these actions has been pretty spot on, - -he is the inside reporter for Arizona - -just like Swain is for KU. He tweeted out that there is a real chance that Yormark also goes ahead and invites Gonzaga & U Conn for Basketball only - and the League to expand to 18.

It's ben known for some time Yormark wants U Conn pretty bad to get into that Northeastern section , and to get the New York Media. Brett has been in discussions again with both Schools and they feel he will be able to get th approval with the School presidents - -. Brett is doing this as I've said before , he is fully aware that football is the money maker BUT also feels and wants to make up a totally separate media agreement for Basketball as it being up and coming in revenue

I'm telling you don't be shocked if Brett gets this done, he has been pretty impressive with what he hsa accomplished in his 1st yr as Commissioner - - he has been very aggressive isn't sitting still and doing nothing , like a shark in bloody waters. - -He was smart and beat the PAC in getting a new media deal, leaving the PAc stranded to where Georgie was doing nothing. Brett got the media deal done and then was able to focus on getting these PAC 12 Schools. - -He got the deal done in Mexico as has been stated, he wants the Big 12 even better,-- don't be surprised , in the end if this doesn't get done.- -However there is as Jason said still a lot of work to be done for that to happen

Not sure if anyone has heard the chatter in the last few days. The Big Ten and sec have been having some 'talks'. Some are speculating some sort of cooperative between the two leagues and creating their own athletic organization free of the NCAA. Should all this wild speculation be accurate we're left on the outside to compete for extremely watered down titles. I'd guess there's lots of schools that would be pounding on the door asking to be let in too.

@wissox we’ll be in if it includes basketball thankfully