So hard to cheer for Dook over UK...so let's get this thing over and bring out the JAYHAWKS!!!

Mizzery lost...WSU in a barn burner

Looks like UK has it. As we approach the scheduled end of the game (8:30 Central) with 6 minutes left and 8:24, makes me wonder what the average game length has been so far in this young season given the "new" fules rocus.

@VailHawk Fred playing?

Uk will be very hard to beat, especially w/out diallo.

@Crimsonorblue22

For WSU? No idea just saw score

@VailHawk I switched over. He's had a bad groin and ankle problem.

He's in

Andrew White just checked in on Nebraska game.

Haith still tulsa coach?

Yep

@Bwag

HEM posted AWIII hit his first 3 attempt tonite on Twitter

@VailHawk Missed a shot upon checking in. Nebraska struggling right now against Villinova.

@Crimsonorblue22 Baker-12 Van Fleet-11 - 49-45 Tulsa w/appx 11 & change.

@Bwag doesn't start?

Nice diallo dialogue!!! Thx!!!

@Crimsonorblue22

I've heard Bilas has been supportive. He just said it's rediculous he's not been cleared yet

@Crimsonorblue22 Checked box score and AW3 did start. 3/6 from the field and 2/4 from 3 for 8 points, 4 rebounds, steal and TO.

My son is at game and he's sitting by a gal that's married to a guy we know from hutch. I coached his brother. Crazy

@VailHawk He tweeted pic of KU fans with #FreeDialo scrawled out on their chests.

@Crimsonorblue22 Is your son with the married gal from Hutch?

Crimson and blue is so much prettier than these other colors!!!

Man I'm hyped...we have to wait 30 more minutes?

Hi all

Sucks no cable for me until Friday.

Guessing Connor F still not eligible until semester? Name isn't listed in the box score yet and WSU down...or is he in the doghouse due to off the court issues.?

@Eric

What up? And what's on your head in your avatar?

@Eric You've been just one tough luck story after another in this short bball season.

@VailHawk it's an old Chinese hair piece. And the guy in the picture is from a Chinese drama lol

@Bwag
Just moved into a new house and it's taking Time Warner a week and a half to get out here.

@Eric

That changes everything!!! Are you saying you don't even have a beard?

Why are they talking football? It's bb time.

@brooksmd said:

Why are they talking football? It's bb time.

That's what my wife just said too...alas, I thought we might have moved up after our near loss last week.

@VailHawk
No beard for me. Facial hair genes are not strong in my family.

@Bwag

We're getting closer to a football win! Beating KSU is gonna be gratifying!!!

@Bwag no, he's w/gf, sitting by wife of a friend

@globaljaybird You gonna be able to hang with this late hour you ol fart? Still on the meds or ready for some adult libations after this win?

@Bwag dec like 20, when finals r finished

@Crimsonorblue22 :-)

@brooksmd Is a frogs..... no meds !!

@Crimsonorblue22 69-58 Tulsa w/3 & change...

@brooksmd adult bevs after the win...started already.

@globaljaybird wooohoooo!!! Got a new jar of shine fresh from my son's boat captain.

@Eric You're not a bearded hipster or brewmaster? Dang.

@globaljaybird pleases me!

@DanR said:

@Eric You're not a bearded hipster or brewmaster? Dang.

With that pic, maybe need to change screen name to Eric-san.

@Bwag Us older and more wiser have to use in moderation in order to see entire game. Especially with 9 PM start.

@Bwag But I realize it's Chinese, not Japanese...but not as catchy.

@Bwag Well, I thought you were a slot machine until I clicked to see your bigger avatar.

@brooksmd said:

@Bwag Us older and more wiser have to use in moderation in order to see entire game.

I'm older, probably not wiser.

I told my son to go get Ashley Judd's autograph and he said he'd like to punch her in face. So violent!😉

@Bwag
It's what my wife calls me actually.

How does one change names on here?

@Crimsonorblue22 Smart boy.

@Bwag I'll go with old enough to know better but still too young to care!

@brooksmd Real shine?

@Eric No idea...have to have one of the superstars or @approxinfinity answer that.

Badgers dispatch ND, now let's beat MSU.

@Bwag go to profile

@globaljaybird Yes sir. Ball qt fruit jar.

We get Bilas right? Don't need them wheeling out Dookie V for our game...

@wissoxfan83 Will ND bball loss knock ND fB out of 4th?

Got my beer of the month club shipment today, and one of the breweries is in Chicago (Argus Brewery). Figured that's a good sign.

@Bwag @Eric looks like click on your avatar and at your profile make the change.

Got it!

Who starts in the 5 spot tonight? Gotta be Mari, right? In hometown of Chicago.

@Bwag I don't think North Dakota losing to Wisconsin will have anything to do with it :)

@Crimsonorblue22 Royals shirt.

@wissoxfan83 wrong ND, but I knew it was a long shot anyway.

@Bwag

Probably but it should be Mick or Bragg

So an SEC guy is on the Selection Committee and talking for them on ESPN. Incestuous ESPN/SEC relationship.

@brooksmd saw it!! My son has his TRob jersey on, red tshirt underneath

When's the game start?

@wissoxfan83 soon

Sec guy explains strategy to try to get 4 sec teams in the FB playoffs. Whatever

@VailHawk said:

@Bwag

Probably but it should be Mick or Bragg

Completely agree, but don't figure that to happen. Pretty miffed with Mick coming off the bench as last big.

I'm in AR and need Bill to poke the AR fanbase in the eye by making Mick a star, which I think he's demo'd that he could be.

@DanR

They should ask him when the selection committee is gonna #freecheick???

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@Crimsonorblue22 Is that the view from your kid?

See the rule about jamming at pregame has yielded results...not sure what the results are and why that ever mattered (shattered backboards in the day,I guess).

@brooksmd

White lightning!

My dad was born in NE Kentucky, but they moved when he was 3 or 4.. About 20 years ago he and his uncle were back in his birthplace walking the "holler" to see whether any of his boyhood memories came back.

They stumbled on to an active still and we're face to face with a shotgun. Had my great uncle - a lifelong resident of the community and a little sketchy in his own right - not been there, Dad probably wouldn't have been since again. But after they convinced the Brewer Dad wasn't a federal they bought a of couple mason jars full and got out of there!

I have two memories of the stuff......felt like it melted my nose hair when I sniffed it and after being in the freezer for months, it never froze!.....scary stuff.

Nooooooooooooooooo Dick Vitale really?

Vitale... Ok, can't wait to hear more about dook

@wissoxfan83 Oh no. Dickie V. Crap

@wissoxfan83 yep, behind espn set

Oh NOOOOOO....Dickie V....AHHHHH!

Sorry, but I like Dicky V, although he is getting a bit old. Kind of like Billy P, I liked him, but he wore out his welcome.

I bet Bragg's super nervous, he was before exhibition games

It's about damn time !!

I'm going to see if radio with Bob is reasonably in sinc on radio. I don't think I can handle vitale tonight

@Crimsonorblue22 Whatever it takes girl...

I know Jesse talked about winning the tip stat, but I'm not sure that we've won either tip so far this year ( or maybe I'm thinking about one of the exhibit games).

Dang Selden you had it

@Crimsonorblue22 Not the WUG

Mari 2 boards and a block

Who was it that said the guards gotta get their big men to bump? Good one by Frank.

Perry all day

Perry looked smooth there.

Ellis will get 25 if we get him the ball

Ole Harris!

Devonte should've taken that all the way, vitale

@Crimsonorblue22 Not getting credit for a block in the box score.

@Bwag u see it?

@Crimsonorblue22 Didn't but may not have been looking....

Greene may be ourbest pure shooter

PE sweeet.

Perry s t r e t c h 4

@globaljaybird self said he thinks 70% of his shots will go in.

Perry HAS to flush that rock when he can ...

I'm liking this start even though it's close

@globaljaybird Those FT's were smooth....as ice.

Lucas in to do some bruising I guess

@DanR He'squalified ...

Wow

We're playing fast. Perry!

not liking grahams shot

@jaybate-1.0

JBEEEEEE!!! Jesse not doing in game blog this year?

These Mich boys gonna be suckin wind real soon at this pace.

@wissoxfan83 poor selection too early in possession...

MSUshooting 27.3%, giving us 8 RB's

@VailHawk I was just there looking for it. We'll have to invite @Jnewell here.

@VailHawk
That is what he told me

@VailHawk ? Well??

@wissoxfan83 self either!

@wissoxfan83

Yeah I really enjoy @Jesse-Newell

Svi

Selden smooth shot

Bragg is hyperventilating lol

Look at Svi chopping feet

Anyone in foul trouble?

@VailHawk

Said he might pop in from time to time here.

@jaybate-1.0 Ok, ain't heard "chopping feet" before. Explain.

@wissoxfan83 Roll out the rug like only buckets royalty can do...welcome aboard !

I missed it, who did they say that Self thought the best shooter he has ever coached is? Were they talking about Greene?

@RockkChalkk That's what Dicky V said.

@RockkChalkk yes

@brooksmd

If slow feet chop your feet while waiting for your man to move

Damn, was that a zone I just saw by the Hawks? Somebody pinch me !

Ellis got fouled on that shot

Perry's first miss now 4/5

Rebounding is a big problem so far

Nice Dg!

@DanR no 2nd shots

Svi shot himself out

Jamari is a lot more athletic than the MSU bigs......he could be a difference maker tonite if he doesn't get stupid.

Our guards are out of control at this point.

Mason, pass the rock

The frank of two seasons ago returns

What is this, UNLV of the '80s run n gun?

Frank in the trees twice in a row... Gotta be smarter

Guards all having trouble sharing the ball

@globaljaybird

You can say that, again

Guards shooting:

1/5

0/3

1/3

1/2

I thought Selden turned his ankle

Selden with the old man game on the break

REHawk called this one right...lots of fast possessions. Self trying to avoid grind and sell recruits on KU running

But the muscle will come the second half.

Shooting 36% but 50% from 3Pt...

Total of 3 FT's both teams so far.

What's with a Coach interview mid-game?

Took a deep breath and reminded myself our guards have list their minds but we're still up and a good halftime chewing will correct that

I still have nightmares of Harris from WVU. Seems like he tore us up one game?

@jaybate-1.0 You can bet it's back by the Madness...

Bragg is now at risk

Go Carlton but watch for elbows

Think Harris has been in some trouble there too

Lots of whistles

Devonte is getting a taste of big

Dang do the game! Dg get foul?

Crap, heavy rain, satellite dish cutting out.

Perry defying reality

Way to stick w/it perry

Bragg smooth there.

Who got our last foul?

@Bwag He's the real Mc Coy...watch him put it on the deck sometime...smooth as a baby's butt...

Svi under control could become lock down
Man outside

So Mick last off the bench assuming he gets in the game.. Lucas 0-2 but 4 RB's when MSU was building a brick wall

Can't decide which is worse, vitale blathering about something other than the game or randomly blathering about the game

Game exciting enought that Dickie V hasn't made a Dook comment yet, has he?

@Bwag he just did

We are out of control at times, but I love that we are playing up tempo. Will pay dividends later after MSU gases.

@DanR Sorry I mentioned it.

Getting rolls

@Crimsonorblue22 and problaby a call right there.

@Crimsonorblue22 How dare you talk about me like that...JKJKJKJKJK!!

Hope our balls get good rolls like that 2nd half

@Crimsonorblue22 Excuse me!

@brooksmd I figured u would say something, or global

Traylor 3 RB's and nothing, absolutely nothing, else in his stat line.

Bragg our only Bigg to score from 5 spot though.

Love Bragg's game!

Best thing I've heard out of Dickie V's mouth in years.

What the heck with the weave tonight?

@Bwag got it!

Badgers lost a freshman today that the NCAA drew out forever. He's a 6'11' guy that can shoot the three. Too bad for us.

Graham wtf

Foul trouble?

@DanR Graham 0-5

@Bwag Graham 0-6

@Bwag said:

@Bwag Graham 0-6

but Perry 6/10, maybe workon assists to Perry Mr DG.

Lol , thanks moron

Kind of a weak T in my opinion.

Graham is a wreck tonite.

BG gonna have to figure out how to create his own shot. MSU not letting him out of their reach.

@SoftballDad2011 Greene won't give the ball back to graham next time

Ref's trying to even up fouls before half.

We needs to find out if Greene can keep up his perfect 3 point shooting percentage tonight.

Greene money on the line

@brooksmd

Exactly.......Izzo did his job bending the refs ear

Mari dumb fouls

@Crimsonorblue22 Brain farts galore...

I think Greene has like 8 points on no FG attempts.

@SoftballDad2011 said:

I think Greene has like 8 points on no FG attempts.

6

@Bwag

Thnx

Not exactly a glorious end to the half for either team...can't execute with clock time

How many different ways did Graham miss? Rough shooting half for him.

Not the greatest ending there. Did well to keep them in foul trouble. Gotta keep making shots

At the game and can confirm that UK fans are the worst in all sports.

@joeloveshawks said:

At the game and can confirm that UK fans are the worst in all sports.

+1000

@dylans I told @drgnslayr yesterday the over under on fouls would be 50...25 total at the half is right on track.

Graham and Mason 2/12...Mason with at least 2.

They are tied for 2nd most shot attempts on the team. That seems to be a problem...12 of 34 attempts.

Can only hope that it;s nerves in a big game as they seem to be forcing it too much.

Graham does have 4 assists though to go with his 0/6

@globaljaybird

It's hard to establish any rhythm with all the stops

@joeloveshawks

How's the KU crowd? It's a big arena...hard to hear much cheering

@Bwag and that's exactly what BG needs to do is drive if they r going to jump out on him

@Bwag Bill was prob checkin how DG could execute under 10 sec cause he knows what the Bulldog (FM) can do. JMO

@Bwag

Graham needs to make the bunny's all his 3's have been forced.. he's gotta settle down

Fairly pleased with the effort.

Especially on D.

Been some breakdowns, but not due to effort.

Great D on the last possession

FT shooting seems good for us too!

@globaljaybird If so will take the experiment with a lead. At this point, doesn't show promise.

@SoftballDad2011 Agree that the energy/effort has been good. Just not always smart.

FT 86% and only 2 TO's. Best stats.

Getting out shot and out rebounded at half.

Glad we built a cushion early.

Regroup and come out strong after half.

Wear the Sparty down and then blow them out of the water late.

PF's looking good. JamTray, LL and Selden with 2. Costello and Harris with 3.

@dylans a victory would be a great bday present for u! My gift to u!!

@Crimsonorblue22 I'd gladly take it!

@BeddieKU23 Lights are awfully bright in the house that Michael built for sophomore DG... He' s really still a pup & just a first year starter. Bill's testin his butt...

Eron Harris has 0 points for MSU. Was expecting him to be a vital piece for them.

@VailHawk KU crowd is ok. Not great. Maybe we turn it up in the 2nd half. It's been a boring game.

Jayhawks look good?

@wissoxfan83 there was a story about him, maybe sat him out a game for something.

@joeloveshawks well start something!

@Eric-san so so

@brooksmd Absolutely ...

@Bwag

Unfortunately that is a side effect of an up tempo game in November.

Just glad we are shaking things up a bit.

Loving Bragg stretching the court and the touch on his shot.

If you don't upvote rr post...

@Bwag It takes time...he's not been down this road before...Frank is aproven assassin but this is his 3rd year...DG will be eventually.

I see a Spartan ass whopping coming in the second half.

@dylans deleted it before I could read it!! So did you!

New rule, no deleting allowed!

@Red.Rooster

We want to hear from you!!!

@wissoxfan83 It was a text formatting problem from RR.

@DoubleDD

Yeah buddy!!!

@VailHawk

Rooster, rooster, rooster, rooster.......

Just post anything, Rooster... a simple "RCJH"

@DanR Didn't make since out of context, but I restored it.

DC "s in da house Yeah !!

@VailHawk I'm here .... watching you guys !!

@Red.Rooster

Red Rooster, Red Rooster, Red Rooster. THE BEST!

The game start yet? Having storms and dish is knocked out grrrrr....

Jam tray offensive glass!!!

@DoubleDD

The Rooster better have a 100 plus up votes before long.......he's earned it!

I miss the WUG Selden

@VailHawk He's got 7 points, although that was ugly.

@VailHawk Maybe trade Graham for Nic?

@VailHawk

What a mystery he is.

@dylans

Nah...I like Graham's upside better

Feed flippin Perry

@VailHawk I just don't know what Selden needs.

@VailHawk taller too

Mari attacking with swagger and hitting his FT.....I like it!

It's kinda like the all too elusive Beast-mode from Julian Wright.

Why is Lucas in there versus Mick?

Need to get #4 on Costello.

Traylor crashed the boards

@dylans

That's a REALLY good analogy!

@Bwag

No idea

@dylans Goggles instead of contacts...look what itdid for James Worthy.

How many shots have we just left short or overshot from in close tonight.

Snacks looks hungry

These missed layups are starting to cost us

Lucas soooo slow

Need to heat up, guys

Haven't seen a line drive like the 3 pt Selden put up since the WS.

Valentine is a beast.

We are starting to settle for shots.....are we tired?

Relax the ass whooping is coming. KU hasn't hit the 3 all night it's coming.

Perry's missed a couple of bunnies this half. That's hurting us too.

@SoftballDad2011 Mason almost always makes that floater in lane, just short

We always have ugly games against Izzo which is probably to his credit

Selden has concrete shoes on. What in the world is up?

@Crimsonorblue22 Mason was 2/6 at half

1/4 for 2nd half...

Gotta start converting; Graham, no shots for 2nd half so far

A break! Let's go

When we reach crunch time if the games in jeopardy, HCBS will have FM at the point & not DG...Bill is finding out about his team for certain but he DOES NOT want a loss. JMO

@Crimsonorblue22 wish I could. KU fans barely showed up.

@joeloveshawks maybe streak?

Our lead is from FT line at this point. % wise, being outshot in all categories.

@joeloveshawks you mean quiet or not there?

Free Throws ... KU is 16 out of 18 !!! The 2 misses was Perry's !!

Valentine and Costello have the Jamari Tarik thing going. Black/Costello break down the lane. Jamari/Valentine follow and when the help defense lets Black/Costello go, they get a sweet pass for a layup.

I'd rather have Greene or Svi out there instead of both dg and mason together against a grinding team

Lucas and Jam Tray should be behind Bragg and Mick JMO

Get Lucas out

Bulldog!!!

Yes!

Bulldog and 1.

No Svi this half?

@Red.Rooster said:

Free Throws ... KU is 16 out of 18 !!! The 2 misses was Perry's !!

And yet. MSU 100% from FT with fewer attempts

@DanR Bill's sendin "Webster" to the school of hard knocks tonight. Mason is tried & true...

SVI!!!

@globaljaybird good point

@VailHawk said:

Lucas and Jam Tray should be behind Bragg and Mick JMO

Amen. Lucas has brouht very little. His rebounding numbers have been when they were missing shots n bad Offensive sets. Got free for one basket recently.

Ticki tac

Good D by SVI

FreeMickelson

Another break

This is a goofy lineup

Bragg in the cookie jar

Vitale u r to old and ugly

HORRIBLE CALL!!!

He jumped into the KU player !

box out dang it

Bullshit foul call D was straight up then

Bragg not blocking out

Some of the call are hard to understand....

@Crimsonorblue22 quiet. Also, why is Lucas ever in the game?

What is a defender supposed to do other than get out of the way..the defender has to have the right to his space

Lucas' only job should have been to get the 4th foul on Costello

Lucas did not move at all and still got called for the blocking foul

I really don't understand Self. Mickelson is our best performer all Summer, shows hints of the same in his very brief minutes in regular season and gets little PT. Outside of hints of Braggs talent, everything has been pretty mundane performance from the 5.

FreeHunter

TIVO confirms the foul call before the break was bogus.

Refs are learning on the job...not a good thing.

@joeloveshawks If Mick could play with bricks in his pockets Bill would have him in. LL protects the real estate better...

Always a head scratcher when the ref waits for a missed shot to hit the floor before he blows the whistle for a blocking foul

Do they not know how to cut hair up in Washington...Gonzago area?

Good free throw defense!!'

GOod FT defense

Please shut up

@globaljaybird said:

@joeloveshawks If Mick could play with bricks in his pockets Bill would have him in. LL protects the real estate better...

Don't agree. Mick has quick hands...gets more blocks and hand on the ball

@wissoxfan83 good call

Devonte late with that pass sheesh

@globaljaybird

I love you but respectfully disagree!

@VailHawk 👬

@Bwag said:

@globaljaybird said:

@joeloveshawks If Mick could play with bricks in his pockets Bill would have him in. LL protects the real estate better...

Don't agree. Mick has quick hands...gets more blocks and hand on the ball

Micks EFF % was way, way above Lucas in game 1

Brannan Greene, the best shooter Self has ever had has not taken a shot tonight.

KU to deep for the Spartans.

Woohooo Perry..

Put the hammer down now

speed kills...

@Bwag Bodies rule paint-not finesse

Not playing well but up 11 cool

Someone posted KUAC link to in game stats last game? Where was that?

👏👏👏👏👏👏💙❤️

SVI guarding Valentine

@JayHawkFanToo dat what speed do

@Bwag

Stats.. ↗

@wissoxfan83

He tried, but couldn't get open before he had a hand in his face.

Need a couple daggers by Svi... Do we gave a play to get him a shot. Nope

@wissoxfan83 but he took what the D gave him!

@VailHawk Guess I'm OK with that-cept we ain't never met/! JKJKJK!

@VailHawk OR NOT guarding Valentine !!

Keep our FT percentage strong for the rest of the game and the game is ours.

Not sure what the call was there but it was obviously unnecessary to keep the flow of th game going.

The way Ozzie was cheating to guard Greene in the first half it would make sense to put him in to open it up

Those 3's by Valentine are just fool's gold and don't mean anything. Right?

@DanR izzo

Why is Lucas back in?

We are just chucking the ball at the goal at times. Disappointing.

Bad possession

Costello is getting screwed tonight......thank goodness

Lucas leads KU with 7 rebounds. Valentine is 1 rebound away from a triple double...

OK SHizz is on. Frank runs the show from here on. Under abt 4 min DG may be on the pine & BG may get the call in a potential FT contest.

Michigan state is beating us in every statistical category, better shooting, passing, rebounding, but they're fouling us more, so we're winning.

Dude walked

this would not be a 2 point game with Mickelson in, given some significant PT

Lucas air ball

@wissoxfan83 They also lead in turnovers 13-5

Here we go BG on da court...

@Bwag Agreed. NO interior defense which Mick provides.

Might be last we see of Lucas if self watches this objectively

Our bench scoring is a lot lower than I was anticipating.

Graham with 1st FG...needed that.

How many three footers (or in). Have we missed?

COme on Frank...

Mason throws it to the 2nd Row !!

@SoftballDad2011 Lucas has missed at least 3 bunnies.

@SoftballDad2011 Way too many

Already going to the "drive frank" offense

Svi was playing good defense on Valentine

missing from end of 1-1 has hurt...next fouls is double bonus

We were killing them inside with Ellis early. What happened to that?

@VailHawk He has the size to bother him.

Fools gold for MSU

@VailHawk Frank was too!

@wissoxfan83 said:

We were killing them inside with Ellis early. What happened to that?

Exactly

Time for BG 2s 4 3s don't add up...

Get it together guys. Can still win

Costello fouling out opened the outside shot for MSU

This has been some choke job. Somebody other than mason and graham need to step up and shoot.

@Bwag said:

Fools gold for MSU

PHOF!!!

Gut checking time...

I want to know the minute differential between:

Mari/Lucas

Bragg/Mickelson

Not going to say that is the whole story, but damn, it's a major point that Self just has to friggen see and figure out.

@Bwag DG ran the point most of this half & flow has not seen the passing angles we had in the first half. Lanes have closed, Ramp meters on RED ...Credit Izzos D too!

I blame @jaybate-1.0 for our lackluster 2nd half

@VailHawk is he still looking for remote?

4 of Lucas's RB's occured when MSUwas shooting 20 something % early in the game. I'm not buying stock in that stat

Designer!

That Seldon 3 big

WUG Selden!!!

That was a foul...

@VailHawk are you seeeing things ahead of the rest of us?

Self gets ALL flustered and red faced at the end of tight games. I'm NOT convinced that he can coach end of game situations. He gets flushed and I think that carries over to his players. They all tighten up too!

No rim protector

Valentine 19 pts this half.

Why is this game on still at 11:30 pm?

KU has foul to give

I can't believe I stayed up for this trainwreck

Perry get hammered?

Off frank

@Red.Rooster said:

Self gets ALL flustered and red faced at the end of tight games. I'm NOT convinced that he can coach end of game situations. He gets flushed and I think that carries over to his players. They all tighten up too!

I don't care what Self sees in practice. His personnel rotation absolutely sucks.

@wissoxfan83 This one is on Self. No making any adjustments. Just getting killed on penetration and second chance points in the second half. Absolutely no interior D. Why no Mickelson I can't understand.

Out on mason

Has Bragg played this half?

Come on guys

@wissoxfan83 briefly

Didn't Selden jump like a foot higher in Korea?

Even with being fouled, we've missed a ton of shots at the rim.

Interior game outside of Perry - NOTHING.

Does that put pressure on our guards to force their game?

UGLY!

@DCHawker said:

@wissoxfan83 This one is on Self. No making any adjustments. Just getting killed on penetration and second chance points in the second half. Absolutely no interior D. Why no Mickelson I can't understand.

X1000

Yes

Valentine should not be touching the ball...

Again, want to see PT minute distribution of the 4 man 5 rotation.

Bragg/Mickelson v Traylor/Lucas

Gave the game away in the last 5 minutes...

First question for Self:

YOur best big play this summer was Hunter Mickelson. Why so little PT?

BAD execution. Should have taken it to the hoop.

@Bwag 14 vs 32 min

No rebounding. Msu boys just flat out want it more. Tired of that same ole story..... And we have absolutely got to start getting Big Men who are actually big and actually men

We didn't need to lose this game

@globaljaybird Gonna take that quart to wash away the taste of this one.

@cragarhawk said:

No rebounding. Msu boys just flat out want it more. Tired of that same ole story..... And we have absolutely got to start getting Big Men who are actually big and actually men

We have them. Just don't fricken play them

Very disappointing loss...

@Bwag sorry I disagree

Guess we're not going undefeated

Our guards killed us, missed ft's, ll missing easy baskets

@cragarhawk look at at production per minute.

Game 1

Bragg /Mickelsson highest EFF I think.

They get very little PT in this game.

Self has a glaring blind spot and it costs us over and over.

Free Diallo. Bench Lucas.

Whelp. hope self learned something about his coaching strategy tonight.

@cragarhawk We are outrebounded. Our worst rebounders are getting majoriy of minutes.

NO defense against those stats

@Bwag I would argue the opponent skews those numbers. However. I may give you Bragg. That has yet to be seen though in my opinion. But if we're gonna hang our season on guys like Lucas and Michelson. I have lil faith in that

Eww what just happened here

@Eric-san hit some 3's late, we couldn't hit, Selden Mason and Dg drove every time and missed

@Bwag Not just Mick either...DG played very poorly & Greene set on the bench the final 5 min in a shooters game so what do we do? Grind it out, 2's for 3's, bad ball, with an assassin on the pine. I'm really shakin my head over this one men. PPP period!

LL 14 mins/Traylor 18 mins

HM 3 mins/Bragg 11 mins

@brooksmd Bragg not ready yet.

If I were a journalist in the presser after this game, I don't think I would be able to help myself from glaring at Self and saying "I hate you sometimes."

@Bwag

Top two rebounders for KU Lucas and Traylor with 7 each....

@MoonwalkMafia good thing you're not

@cragarhawk They beat the world.

HEM has demo'd with stats that Traylor is the nearly worst RB/min in self era & he doesn't bring much production in offense.

Lucas about the same offensively.

Hunter blocks shots, gets hands on ball. Keeps it alive.

Not sure how the guards got so screwed up this game but if you don't have an inside game, how much pressure does that put on them. Bragg was 2/2 but how many minutes did he play.

This is a disaster. Self recruits incredible talent and then leaves it on the bench.

Devonte' Graham, FGM = 1-9
3PM = 0-4
FTM = 2-2

Grahman needs to sit !!

@Crimsonorblue22 You're blind and too far gone in the Bill Self fan club if you're not upset with him right now.

is Selden injured? If so is his 3 inch vertical and pursuit D better than svi's ability?

@MoonwalkMafia I wouldn't say hate though.

@DanR He must be hurt. No other explanation.

100% on Self.

Player rotation absolutely a disaster.

The bigs he plays don't pass the stat nor the eyeball test. LOSE/LOSE

and we are 1 - 1 because of it.

Couldn't finish at the rim in the second half, missed FTs at key juncture, unfathomable coaching decisions + but biggest problem was complete breakdown on defense the last 10+ minutes. We got no stops. If they happened to miss a shot, they got the rebound. No interior presence at all. Traylor does nothing on the defensive end inside.

Very poor game for Graham and yet he was the leader in assists with a measly 4.

KU 12 assists, Valentine 12 assists

MSU 9 blocks, KU 1 block

KU 3-15, 20% from 3...

Several front end misses of 1 and 1...

I don't like the Champions Classic anymore. What is KU now 1-4?

@VailHawk
So funny! But so sad, because it's true... I thought he had cured himself of flailing towards the basket, trying to draw fouls, instead of just using your athleticism and trying to score. Like he did in Korea. But, alas, that must have been a Korean dream also

Bragg had zero rebounds in 11 minutes. Hunter 1 board in 3 minutes.

Just an observation.

@Bwag Yep. I was watching UK and was impressed with what Cal does with freshman. He is better at getting his players ready and playing defense well. Been that way the last five years. Self needs to take notice.

@Bwag the wug means very lil to me. It obviously wasn't much of an advantage anyways. Ppl will remember NC's. That's about it honestly. I agree that Traylor is a terrible rebounder. Ellis not much better. For all he does do.... When for the love of God is he gonna get above the rim. Probly never by now.... Have to start recruiting better or actually developing the players we do recruit. Cause this team looks no different than the team that lost to Wichita st

@JayHawkFanToo Graham had 3 asssists in 1sth half I think.. means 1 in 2nd half.

@cragarhawk That is my opinion also. Exact same team as last year.

@JayHawkFanToo said:

Very poor game for Graham and yet he was the leader in assists with a measly 4.

KU 12 assists, Valentine 12 assists

MSU 9 blocks, KU 1 block

KU 3-15, 20% from 3...

Several front end misses of 1 and 1...

Our best Shot blocker sat on bench and was in warm ups towards end of game.
Crying shame

@cragarhawk

top rebounders for KU:

Traylor 7

Lucas 7

Ellis 6

@DinarHawk said:

@Bwag Yep. I was watching UK and was impressed with what Cal does with freshman. He is better at getting his players ready and playing defense well. Been that way the last five years. Self needs to take notice.

X100

@tundrahok key point is 3 MIN.

@JayHawkFanToo the number you need to be looking at is offensive rebounds for MSU. That's as big a part of this loss as anything... And believe it or not. It's a heart stat. Same story I tell my rec league boys. One team flat out wanted the ball more than the other.

@Bwag Yeah, can't explain that one.

This is a very good MSU team, analyst were saying better than last year's Final four team. It got votes to win it all in the ESPN poll.

@cragarhawk True, MSU had 10 off boards, but we had 12.

@JayHawkFanToo said:

@cragarhawk

top rebounders for KU:

Traylor 7

Lucas 7

Ellis 6

And those stats mean NOTHING. They had nearly all the PT. They got outrebounded. Ithink Traylors first 4 RB's were when MSU was shooting about 24% at the start of the game. Hell Mason had 5 RB's so Trayor /LUcas Rebounding nubmers mean nothing until you start to look at RB/min like HEM has shown.

@tundrahok they had several right at key moments in the last 8 min and ended up getting a lot second chance pts. You could see the mo swing. I told my wife we were done with 7 to go

@Bwag

Traylor 7 rebounds in 18 minutes, Lucas 7 rebounds in 14 minutes...How many did you expect them to have in those minutes?

Goodnight !!!

@Bwag Traylor actually looks better on the boards so far this year. Of course it's only the second game, so stats don't mean too much just yet with such a low sample size. But Traylor and Lucas had more boards/min this game than Bragg or Hunter (granted it's hard to do much in 3 minutes).

Frustrating loss, regardless.

@Eric-san said:

I don't like the Champions Classic anymore. What is KU now 1-4?

Good thing Self won 1 NC. Otherwise, we'd be saying he doesn't manage talent and big game situations well.

@cragarhawk Our worst Rebounders wer in the game despite the actual numbers.

@JayHawkFanToo said:

@Bwag

Traylor 7 rebounds in 18 minutes, Lucas 7 rebounds in 14 minutes...How many did you expect them to have in those minutes?

AND 8 points between the two of them. Do you disagree that they are our worst offensive options in the 5 verses Mick/Bragg?

@cragarhawk Yes, it's the way we ended the game that was most disappointing. MSU clearly wanted it more, greater heart and effort at the end.

Every loss is frustrating. But I had marked this game rather than the first as a judge of improvement. Don't see any so far. Nobody cares what ya can against the northern Colorados of the world. Blowing double digit leads.... Irritates me to no GD end

@JayHawkFanToo said:

@Bwag

Traylor 7 rebounds in 18 minutes, Lucas 7 rebounds in 14 minutes...How many did you expect them to have in those minutes?

What were Bragg/Mickelson minutes? I'm trying tofind that.

Want to find the EFF numbers.

@Bwag http://stats.statbroadcast.com/statmonitr/?id=111226&a=1 ↗

@Bwag I'm not arguing this point. At all

This is something that I'm sure will be beat in to the ground over the next few days, but... It's not that Traylor played bad. It's not that Lucas played bad per se. It's that what you see out of them tonight is their ceiling. Lucas is a ghost on both ends of the floor by and large, and Traylor has no offensive game and historically can't rebound. Yet, Mickelson shows you what he's capable of over the summer. He has a jump shot, he's a rim protector, he can rebound, has a good feel for the game and a good b-ball IQ. Basically, he brings everything Traylor and Lucas do and more. So why not play him? Why on god's green earth would you not play him? If you're rewarding Traylor and Lucas for their time in the program, I'd like to remind you that Hunter is also a senior and should be rewarded for his commitment and dedication to KU.

@Bwag

We were talking rebounding and since the numbers don't fit your narrative now you switch to offense...

KU lost because they can't rebound plain and simple. You can't be -7 on glass against MSU and expect to beat them.

This is why KU needs Diallo so badly. Even while he's learning how to play offense and defense, he can be a rebounding monster like Robinson was.

I'd also like to know why Greene wasn't in in the last couple of minutes when KU needed a 3? You don't need his defense because you're fouling anyway, but to leave your best shooter on the bench is just stupid.

Let the criticism of Coach self begin...I am outta here...

@JayHawkFanToo said:

@Bwag

We were talking rebounding and since the numbers don't fit your narrative now you switch to offense...

The players play both offense and defense in BBall. Nature of the game.

Mick/Bragg mintutes were 14 combined. The same as Lucas alone.

Mick - 3 min
Bragg - 11 min

I'd argue that Mick should be starting and taking Jamari's 18 mintutes. I'd argue that we'd be even on RB and have more on Offense.

Give Bragg (for now) Lucas 11 minutes and what would we have? That is less clear at this point on RB (def) but certainly more offense. And more points win.

Let our less talented players- Mari and Lucas pick up the spot minutes.

I'll bet our overall offense would run smoother and we'd see more efficiency.

Most importantly, not lose the fricken game.

Lots of blame to go around. I personally blame Landen and/or the guy who made him play most of the game. That and our awesome "I'll let you shoot" perimeter defense. Now I'm going to have a night cap and pretend we just didn't blow another late lead to a team from Michigan.

@MoonwalkMafia Mickelson, our best big of the Summer got 3 damn minutes.

Game, set match..

Self 1-4 in this series.

Anyone is allowed to critique coach self or anyone else if they choose. Whether they are right or wrong. It's mostly opinion anyways. Doesnt mean you have to buy it. My opinion. Izzo outcoached Self tonight. At in game adjustments minimum. And it was made apparent that Self had no counter when he crawled into his fetal position and began sucking his thumb.... Text book self. When ya have no answer the answer must be to stick with only experienced guys and bring out the pound it inside and draw fouls game. Unfortunately it just happens far too often to not recognize it

@joeloveshawks my son said and he was pretty close, that Bragg was pretty skinny and they were moving him around. Did u see that too?

@Crimsonorblue22 not sure. I saw them score on Lucas repeatedly and Lucas can't score and Bragg can. That's what I don't get. But hey, as I said, lots of blame to go around when you blow a game you controlled. Seems very similar to our last game against MSU in the Champions Classic??

@Texas-Hawk-10 We also need rim protection and a big that can REALLY run the floor.

@Red.Rooster He's a choker.

Thanks to superstition I won't be here for anymore games discussions. It' all right though judging by the hand ringing and mud slinging from one loss in November.

I remember when we used to talk about the great things that KU does...