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Just wanted to say that first of yes I know how some on here feel about these guys BUT - - just saying starting to look some more favorable for us with them.

Starting to look pretty decent with Billy Preston - -and the a little more like Duval maybe interested. Yes I've heard people saying oh they will never qualify - - -they will never step foot on campus - - they are a waste of time - - -he gonna end up over sea's - - -to which I say ya,- - - maybe they will - - -BUT MAYBE they won't My take on it is if Coach Self and the staff feels like they need to persue these guys - -then I'm all for it, they know a hell of a lot more then me/us.

I'm just saying I'm not really sure that if we want to top players at KU I'm not sure we can afford NOT to recruit them eligible or not. - - Things have a way with working their selves out. Wouldn't be good if we didn't recruit them, and turns out they are eligible, and DO end up on a college campus.

Now I'm not sayin my opinion is right by any means - -I'm not sayin your opinion is right either - - -that's all these are is opinions, everyone has one. - - -I'm just doing some wishful thinking along the lines that they MAY actually qualify - - -they MAY actually come to College - - -and thinking in the end wouldn't it be great to have the # 5 player & the # 1 pg in the Nation Trevon and then the # 12 player & # 5 pf in the Nation playing for us next year to go along with Garrett and possibly Wooten? - - just my wishful thinking. Anyways guys have a great day - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Even if Preston signs an NLI, I'll believe it when he runs out there in a KU jersey against Hays/Pitt. I do think he announces for KU soon though.

Oh and the need for Preston is because the staff went ALL-IN on Ayton and missed. Possible Preston doesn't even visit if Ayton pops for KU. It's where we are at now though, and Preston would be a good player for KU.

@jayballer54

I'm glad your being optimistic. I know I've been pessimistic about these guys but in the case they do get to go to college at KU my attitude will change 100% towards them. Duval definitely has the better chance of playing in the United States next year. Crazy, that I even have to say that.

I think my overall view of where recruiting has gone, is in a state of out of control.

We used to just worry about guys committing and then signing a LOI and you saw them in Uniform x amount of months later. Now signing a LOI doesn't even get you in the front door if you've got eligibility questions. Again Crazy! We could sign both either in November or April and still not know if they actually will make it to campus and get to play. Crazy!

If we are able to land Duval and he gets to play its a game changer for this program. Duval is the PG that ends up at Kentucky, not KU. He'd be a problem for NBA PG's to deal with today. He's that talented as a play-maker. It's not even close how good his ball-handling, quickness, playmaking ability and size for the PG position is compared to the next PG in his class. Sexton was the better fit for KU because his style of play compared favorably to Frank Mason. Duval is something KU doesn't have a comparison for but the guys that come to mind are John Wall. Derrick Rose & Kyrie Irving.

With this team replacing Mason and possibly Graham at seasons end Duval offers the perfect temporary patch to the position. It would allow Garrett to develop to take over as a Sophomore.

Go get em Bill

Yep. Duval is an NBA PG and would slay at KU. Would be great for crootin going forward.

@BShark

Think about this- Duval, Newman & Vick on the court at the same time. Salivation

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Think about this- Duval, Newman & Vick on the court at the same time. Salivation

BUCKETS

@BeddieKU23 Good points don't forget we have Malik Newman next year to help out if we lose both guys and Vick should continue his growth, that being said we may not need a flashy top 10 recruit may a transfer and a 4 year guy.

@kjayhawks said:

may a transfer and a 4 year guy.

This is more likely but getting Duval would be straight fire.

@BShark Duval would be a good get no question, I just feel like the NCAA shafts us on these deals with eligibility.

@kjayhawks

I feel like Duval will likely get eligible but it's all about the $ so he may just go overseas anyway. He is one I feel like if he announces for KU, then he will suit up. However, it's dragging out DEEP into the spring with Duval.

@BeddieKU23 got a question as I haven't really seen any tape of Duval but - -is there a possibility he compares to Mello Tremble from Maryland? - - better? worse serious I dunno, just asking? your right the whole recruiting is just off the charts - - - - -ROCK CHAL;K ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

Not a fair comparison between Trimble & Duval. Not even close I think. Trimble was a top 60 kid and he's been good for Maryland but he's still at Maryland because of his shortcomings.

Duval is an elite athlete for the PG position, elite quickness, elite ball-handling. Not a great shooter although his mid-range game is pretty good. I don't think it was a stretch to say that Duval could already be ready for the NBA. He has some stuff that just translates up the ladder. I think shooting and decision making are 2 area's that will travel with him as things he needs to improve on but there is no doubt he's an elite PG. I think because of how weird his recruitment has been its kind of kept the spotlight off him a bit because he's clearly got top of his class talent. I think his father has been somewhat responsible for that happening.

I mentioned John Wall, Kyrie Irving & Derrick Rose because his size 6'3ish, developed body and elite quickness/athleticism give him the opportunity to dominate his position. Even Fox of Kentucky is a better comp then Trimble. He's got some impressive tape out there but that's always misleading when your just seeing the good.

I love that we got Garrett but Duval is a different type of player if he were to play at KU. Replacing Mason is going to be tough and Duval has that Day 1 skill that you look for in trying to replace a 3 year starter. He can get to the lane, dish, finish and he's really good in transition.

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Any player, specifically Duval and Preston, who plays overseas will be 100% because of academics and nothing else. No high profile player has ever gone overseas voluntarily they've all done so because they didn't qualify academically. Spots in Europe are limited to 3 American born players and those teams use those spots on proven players, not HS kids who may or may not be emotionally ready to live in a foreign country.

@Texas-Hawk-10 they both maybe in the same academic hell as Terrance Ferguson was.

@Ralph I've assumed both to be overseas all along and I hope Self doesn't count on them playing next year.

@jayballer54 Well crapola! One of these days the lid needs to come off for KU about getting top flight PG talent to sign! Wish Duval would be in the bag.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I still belive next year's starters are already on the roster, we just need depth.

@BeddieKU23 OH ok thanks. I didn't know, I know he is really good from everything I had heard, would be huge get. Who knows if he steps foot here or not, sure would be nice- - -we shall see ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Texas-Hawk-10 said:

Any player, specifically Duval and Preston, who plays overseas will be 100% because of academics and nothing else. No high profile player has ever gone overseas voluntarily they've all done so because they didn't qualify academically. Spots in Europe are limited to 3 American born players and those teams use those spots on proven players, not HS kids who may or may not be emotionally ready to live in a foreign country.

Rack this guy. Ferguson would be playing for Zona if he were eligible.

@Ralph said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 they both maybe in the same academic hell as Terrance Ferguson was.

It would take a miracle with Preston. However, KU has worked miracles before.

@jayballer54 @BeddieKU23

As far as KU comps go, he is kind of like a king's version of Tyshawn Taylor.

From what is out there Preston has someone in his corner that has steered Jennings, Mudiay and Ferguson overseas in the past. The move to Oak Hill could disrupt that pattern as the Preston camp uses Oak Hill as their last ditch effort, something none of the previous 3 did to help their case.

Ferguson had no chance because before he went to API, he went to Prime Prep, which both schools were the same sham and are now closed.

This is the situation Preston is in. His Soph & Junior years at these schools are likely going to be the reason he's not eligible + the concerns of his grades. I doubt he was able to get enough core classes his freshman year in California and whatever he gets at Oak Hill to make up for what he's likely missing.

Duval is a different case. 3 seniors from API that played with Preston/Duval are eligble this year in D-1. They all spent just 1 year at API, which is what Duval did. Duval now finishes up at IMG. He likely doesn't have much that will be of concern from an academics standpoint but you never know.

The concern is that Under Armour has been rumored to be influencing his decision. UA would pay him to play abroad. Now recently Duval has cut UCLA & Maryland ( the 2 UA sponsored schools) so maybe the rumors of UA have been false and Duval has shown this by removing the schools that were thought to land him because of the UA connection.

I would say as of today, Duval has a much better chance of playing College Ball then Preston does.

@BShark

I didn't think of Tyshawn, that is a good comparison.

@BeddieKU23 said:

I would say as of today, Duval has a much better chance of playing College Ball then Preston does.

Agree. Preston is probably popping for KU today though, so here's hoping.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

I didn't think of Tyshawn, that is a good comparison.

:smiley:

Norm visiting this kid today: http://247sports.com/Player/Jalen-Carey-86031 ↗ Per Andrew Slater: 🐦 View Tweet

@BShark

looks really good

http://www.bnd.com/sports/high-school/prep-basketball/article115290278.html ↗

So damn strange. Quite sure it isn't KU though. Don't think Self would recruit a kid that has verballed to another school. It does sound right up scumbag Ford's alley though...

@BShark

And the weird gets weirder.

Definitely won't be KU. And if its not Illinois the coaches and staff have every reason to be upset and possibly be looking into tampering

@BeddieKU23

Not sure on NCAA tampering rules given what we see in football until kids are actually signed.

I was watching a podcast from a college scout that follows the Big 12 and while talking about prospects that might not play in college but go overseas, he mentioned that if the prospect is associated with
Under Armour, chances are he will skip college...sounded like a concerted effort by UA to boycott/sabotage college.

@JayHawkFanToo said:

I was watching a podcast from a college scout that follows the Big 12 and while talking about prospects that might not play in college but go overseas, he mentioned that if the prospect is associated with
Under Armour, chances are he will skip college...sounded like a concerted effort by UA to boycott/sabotage college.

That would explain the Josh Jackson overseas rumours. Those were definitely out there, especially before his last year/prep year of hs. Hopefully Duval takes a similar path as Josh. :wink:

@BShark

True and he didn't sign an LOI so they have nothing they can hold against him if they did suspect some foul play.

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

True and he didn't sign an LOI so they have nothing they can hold against him if they did suspect some foul play.

Assuming he ends up at SLU, tons of foul play with slime ball Ford. But, legal foul play unfortunately. Maybe that's a bit of an oxymoron actually.

@BShark there were about 100 fans there Tuesday pm.

Tilmon made it official for Illinois. Good.

@BShark Billy is not announcing today. Maybe this weekend his Australia deal will be done.

@Ralph

Yep, saw that his mom said they are pushing for the weekend.

I do think that UA will start to push players to overseas for a little while. In the long run, that doesn't make sense. But to disrupt the market, it definitely does. Try to get a couple of cheap future NBA stars early makes tons of sense.

The long-term move is not that though. It has to be them attempting to at least gain a 3rd of all college contracts. Once they get a KU, Indiana, Duke or UK they will start pushing players back to those schools.

I pray that KU makes the UA switch in 2020 when our contract is up. The younger generation is resinating with UA more and more every year that they grow. And, the smartest thing they did was become a "cool" brand that did focused marketing at kids and the younger generation. I have coached dozens of youth camps, and there is a clear switch from Nike to Under Armour as the recognizable brand for kids that are probably 10 or 11 and younger right now. Anyone older than that still has the Nike is God complex, but the younger generation is definitely leaning UA.

Slew of CB picks for Quade Green to Kentucky. Sounds like they are running with the comments from his coach on this one.

@BeddieKU23 said:

Slew of CB picks for Quade Green to Kentucky. Sounds like they are running with the comments from his coach on this one.

Hard to tell if he really did go Darrell Arthur or if this is just to drum up intrigue for the announcement. Hopefully he does go to Kentucky.

@BShark

Like Preston is doing

@BShark @BeddieKU23

Quade Green signed his National Letter of Intent on Wednesday night — the last day of the NCAA early signing period — and has already informed his future team where he is going, a source with direct knowledge of the situation told ZAGSBLOG.

https://t.co/UURUCKn0Me ↗ https://t.co/c6OzojVHzc ↗

@Ralph said:

@BShark @BeddieKU23

Quade Green signed his National Letter of Intent on Wednesday night — the last day of the NCAA early signing period — and has already informed his future team where he is going, a source with direct knowledge of the situation told ZAGSBLOG.

https://t.co/UURUCKn0Me ↗ https://t.co/c6OzojVHzc ↗

I had seen it posted that the word was he had sent it into Syracuse but that was before all the UK hoopla. Such drama!

@BShark

and most of it made up to draw attention to the situation. I'm not sure why this is becoming a theme

@BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

and most of it made up to draw attention to the situation. I'm not sure why this is becoming a theme

For sure. I want it to be UK, because Trae Young, but it will probably be Cuse.

Preston is scheduled to announce today on ESPNU. 3-4PM CENTRAL TIME.

@BShark hey thanks, can I ask where did you hear that? just wondering, I know from on here I had seen probably this weekend. - -I'm still even with every thing in question I hope we can get him to predict here - now him actually stepping foot here - -that's a different story - - let's just hope EVERYTHING pans out- - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Billy Preston is set to announce this afternoon. I think we get him, we have been on him since 8th grade and he had good reviews after his late night trip. Just a reminder he is a 6"9 , 220 pound PF ranked 8th in the 2017 class. Knowing that we likely only lose LL and possibly Bragg down low it would be nice to get him and spend time recruiting guards.

After the 2 games Mason has had, what pg wouldn't want to play and develop here?

@kjayhawks

that is if he ends up being eligible. This one will drag on well past his commitment/signing date

@Crimsonorblue22

Fully agree, if Mason keeps this up definitely gives Duval & Young something to think about...

@jayballer54 said:

@BShark hey thanks, can I ask where did you hear that? just wondering, I know from on here I had seen probably this weekend. - -I'm still even with every thing in question I hope we can get him to predict here - now him actually stepping foot here - -that's a different story - - let's just hope EVERYTHING pans out- - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

All over the internet now but originally per Paul Biancardi.

@Crimsonorblue22 said:

After the 2 games Mason has had, what pg wouldn't want to play and develop here?

Trae noticed.

@kjayhawks said:

Billy Preston is set to announce this afternoon. I think we get him, we have been on him since 8th grade and he had good reviews after his late night trip. Just a reminder he is a 6"9 , 220 pound PF ranked 8th in the 2017 class. Knowing that we likely only lose LL and possibly Bragg down low it would be nice to get him and spend time recruiting guards.

Seen it mentioned by most of the KU crootin experts that the visit was a HUGE hit for Preston and that KU really starting gaining momentum from that point. Let's hope it does in fact lead to a commitment.

Bragg is gone 99%.

@BeddieKU23 Very true its a tough line to have to walk, recruit the best players regardless or just the ones that will forsure be able to play.

@kjayhawks said:

@BeddieKU23 Very true its a tough line to have to walk, recruit the best players regardless or just the ones that will forsure be able to play.

It's what KU has to do to be able to compete with UK and Duke at this point. I think we have a lot of evidence for that at this point. Recruiting is cyclical though, even if Self has burned a couple bridges (by all accounts he has).

@kjayhawks

Definitely, nobody knows what will happen with him. The risk of being burned by him is there.

The potential reward is probably outweighing the unknown right now. Everybody wants top 10 talent, we'll see whether he actually gets to show it off

the deeper reward could be in swaying Duval to join who just happens to be buddy's with Preston. I think that's the real prize KU might be after

Billy Preston should be ku

hes a jayhawk!!! for now at least

@Crimsonorblue22 Literally the exact thing I've been thinking. Bill hasn't had a top PG since Sherron. And to think that he almost got that 5'10 fat midget to become an All-American should tell these guys everything he needs to know.

P.S. I love Sherron so please don't blow me up about it. Heart of a friggen lion.

Edit: He was an all american. I lost train of thought halfway through. I mean to the NBA.

@Kcmatt7 Yep, and Sherron couldnt stick in the big leagues. Frank can stick, if he gets the right situation.

Side note: I wasnt worried about Preston. Thats not to say I was predicting anything. i just dont worry about recruiting. Why? Because, its Kansas. Sure, we dont have the "dump trucks" lining up like at Duke and Kentucky but still, KU is KU and always will be.

We havent started a season 0-2 since 40+ years ago.

We have the longest streak in the NCAA with conference titles and NCAA tourney appearances.

We have the 2nd most wins.

We have the best head coach.

We have decades of tradition that nearly all the other programs not named UNC or Kentucky can compare with. Yes, I left Duke out purposely because Duke is secondary on the food chain. Duke came after KU, UNC, and all the basketball coaching, playing trees that sprouted from KU.
Heck even Indiana and UCLA are second class to KU.

@Kcmatt7 Yep, Steph Curry

Syracuse just got Ayton'd. Quade Green to UK. Now let's go get Trae Young.

@BShark why would a future NBA'er want to go to Syracuse?

@Crimsonorblue22

Well they were recruiting him for over two years.

Something about this entire situation just screams to me that Young will still be considering UK as his favorite until others come off the board. UK is going to lose its only guards, they will need Young still. Green is more a true point, Young is more Steph Curry. Both are high scoring kids that can run the team but could easily co-exist.

I know it sounds like popular belief that this would eliminate UK but there is zero information stating so just speculation. Does it help KU & OU, certainly but this is UK we are talking and with the way their roster is setup they are going to need all the guards they can get.

somebody help me interrupt this - -- per Eric Bossi " Kansas basically running " do him" right now - - talking about Trae - - - what the hell is that surpose to mean?

Also love how Billy is throwing out on his twitter already encouraging KU fans saying you think we can get Trevon to come on board too? - -Doesn't hurt him and Billy are buddies Hopefully he is talking to Duval, I guess they had been talking some where along the line of possibly playing together - - we shall see - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BeddieKU23 said:

Something about this entire situation just screams to me that Young will still be considering UK as his favorite until others come off the board. UK is going to lose its only guards, they will need Young still. Green is more a true point, Young is more Steph Curry. Both are high scoring kids that can run the team but could easily co-exist.

I know it sounds like popular belief that this would eliminate UK but there is zero information stating so just speculation. Does it help KU & OU, certainly but this is UK we are talking and with the way their roster is setup they are going to need all the guards they can get.

Pretty much. UK's entire team is leaving. They need at least two more guards/wings. We definitely want them to get Hami as well. It boils down to does Young want to play PG/run the team. He won't do that now at UK. Self has told him he would at KU.

@BShark

BINGO!!! He can run the team at OU as well.

Trae's game might be better being the "other" ball-handling guard like Devonte. His shooting range is off the charts and I think you have to maximize that part of his game. I was impressed watching him this summer on MOKAN how he ran his team, very good handles and vision with a stacked roster.

@BeddieKU23 You are absolutely not crazy for thinking that. Here is what I am seeing for UK next season as far as guards.

• PG - Green, Briscoe (?), SAG
• SG - Diallo (All but assumed he will be there)
• SF - ?

So your assumption that there is room for Trae is 100% accurate. Especially when ours could easily break down:

• PG - Devonte (?), Garret
• SG - Vick, Newman
• SF - Svi (?)

It honestly doesn't look good. And if we don't land Duval or Young and Devonte bolts, we are going to be forced to hit the transfer market HARD. Or offer some sub-100 players. And that is just never ideal despite our recent success with two of those type of guys. I just can't understand how these elite PGs don't look at what Bill has done with Dee Brown, Deron Williams, Chalmers, Sherron, Frank, Devonte, and Tyshawn and wonder how good he could make them. I mean he has as good of a history with PGs as Cal or K do. Just kind of makes me scratch my head.

@Kcmatt7

I don't get it either why we haven't landed more "elite" guards. Reputation maybe for how we use our bigs. Its like how Washington gets NBA level guards but can't win games. How you play the game sticks with these kids. Self has finally opened up his structure the last 2 years so maybe the future gives these kids a different perspective

Briscoe almost left last year and the way he's improved he's likely gone. SAG looks more like a development type then a OAD type they usually start. Cal is still selling starters minutes next year at PG/SG. If Diallo doesn't go pro, since he's eligible that would be big in crunching the minutes for another PG like Young

@Kcmatt7

Fwiw Diallo can and may go directly to the NBA.

@BeddieKU23 Yea going to be a crazy Spring I feel like. Way too much up in the air for everyone.

I'm banking he goes to the pro's, who turns down that opportunity? He will at least test the waters and get info, Maker going #10 or whatever it was just paves the way. NO risk in trying, all the reward

Oh and getting Duval would be a great way to help dispel the Self and PGs thing. Duval will succeed anywhere.

Trae Young

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http://kentucky.247sports.com/Board/296/Contents/Trae-Young-49126744 ↗

Wooten has decided to enroll in college at semesters end. KU has a Scholly. Hopefully we get this guy

@BeddieKU23 said:

Wooten has decided to enroll in college at semesters end. KU has a Scholly. Hopefully we get this guy

Do any of the others in his final 5 have an open scholly? I honestly have no idea.

@BShark

Everyone but Cal it looks. Looks like they all have 1 spot open.

Better question is has he taken any visits to those other 4

@BeddieKU23

"I don’t get it either why we haven’t landed more “elite” guards. Reputation maybe for how we use our bigs"

Think about it... if I am recruiting a guard and competing with Kansas... isn't the first thing I say to a guard recruit is... "So I see you have Big-Man-U on your list."

The Selby situation really hurt.

@BShark

I respectfully disagree. First Selby did not play 9 games at the beginning of the season which placed him way behind other players and when he played he did relatively well but it was obvious that he need an extra year. He chose to leave early and even with all this baggage he was select ed in the second round. He was co-MVP with Damian Lillard in the Summer League but was never able to stay with any one team long enough; I will guess that other issues and not talent prevented him from reaching his potential, and I don't believe there is anything KU did or did not do that could have changed this. He has been removed over 5 years from KU and most of the younger players probably do not know much about him if at all. BTW, he is playing in the Turkish Basketball League.

The problem is you are using common sense. That is null and void in recruiting.

Snacks is checking in on 2018 studboss Quentin Grimes tomorrow. Stay on this kid, show him the love.

@BShark We will have so many minutes open after next season. Svi and DG for sure gone. Vick and Newman could just as easily be gone too. That would leave just Garrett on the roster.

Going to need a BIG class in 2018.

@BShark

I hope this guy is an early commit

@Kcmatt7

Definitely, we need to recruit at least 2 more guards/wings this class. Young or Duval is a good start. The other is definitely going to be someone not on our radar right now. A transfer guard would also be a priority

@BeddieKU23

That would be fantastic. Being a Texas kid though, just landing him at all would be nice.

And yeah that's why I prefer Young to Duval. Young is also a 5 star recruit for 2018 most likely....

@BShark

I agree, getting anyone from Texas would be a start. Garrett hopefully helps the momentum. If we get Grimes, I wonder if that would help with Liddell, I know Howard is keeping track of him.

@BeddieKU23

They all count obviously but Self is pretty close to Garrett's high school coach Paul Graham (KC area guy originally, was an assistant with Self at OSU). The bright side there is if they produce more D1 talent it's pretty likely the kid ends up at KU I would think.

Grimes is a great get for sure, if he helps with Liddell that would be fantastic. Liddell is a stud. Looks like AZ, UK and UT are all heavily involved in that one.

@BShark

Shaka has had plenty of talent at Texas and so far has nothing to show for it and some pretty embarrassing losses to boot; how long before it starts hurting recruiting? I am sure...what's his name...wishes he was playing at KU.😄

@JayHawkFanToo

Jarrett Allen? Probably. And Shaka is doing himself no favours right now that's for sure.

Lots of really good Texas talent tbh, ends up all over UK, Duke etc... Randle and Bolden in particular even though KU is and will be fine were tough ones where KU was on them early and couldn't close.