just a reminder for those that might be interested in the ladies. -- the NCAA Volleyball selection show is on at 8:00 tonight on ESPNU just to let you know -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Please post the results, I'll be watching NFL.
Texas top 4 not us😡
@Crimsonorblue22 you are probably right, their RPI was higher If I remember right. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I am right, but it's wrong!
UT's RPI was 3 ours was 10. Which is stupid because we split our games and won the league.
.5 seed, hopefully the lack of respect for us bye putting texas ahead of us can give us *some extra motivation.
Thursday 6:30 against Samford, get the winner of UNI and Creighton after that if we advance.
Last year KU lost only 2 games all season, to Texas, that was seeded 3 overall but KU got only the 9 overall seed. KU beat the overall 1 seed, USC, in the NCAA tournament and lost to Nebraska who went to win the tournament by beating Texas. The only games KU lost all season were to the two teams that played for the NCAA Championship and finished 30-3... a hard act to follow but looks like this year's team migh be one of destiny. Best of luck to the Lady Jayhawks.
Well, does anyone else feel like they need to bend over and grab their ankles besides me - -Cause seriously I think we got shafted royal. - - - - Here we are 26-2, Ranked # 4 in the nation, Win the Big 12 championship, we de- throne the 5 time defending champion Texas - -we split the regular season series with them and Texas still gets one of the four # 1 seeds. - - I call Bull Shit on that.
What does this mean? - -it means if we win our 1st two rounds - - we have to travel to Austin - - once again - -Again I say Bull shit. The women really need to ride this and kick some Texas ass - -but I gues I better not get ahead of myself - -win these first two ladies - -you deserved better
The Big 12 got 6 teams in : - - KU, K-State - -not sure how they got in, TCU, kind of surprised there, Texas, Baylor, And Iowa State - -now that regular season is over - -want to see all teams do well - - except Texas Bullshit - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer54 We got screwed no question about it buddy, our reward for a great season is playing in Austin. On the other hand could you imagine if BB was this way, host at AFH till FF. We would make the FF 9 of 10 years.
@kjayhawks Just as sports shouldn't be equated to war, please remember that rape is a horrible thing and suggesting that a bad tournament seed is comparable to rape is a bit much. It is also jarring to see the word used in a context like sports, where we usually hope to avoid the harsher realities of life. Anyone who has faced it, personally or through a family member or friend, should not have to run into this type of smack in the face.
@Crimsonorblue22 !!! Interesting how the two words connote something entirely different. I agree he didn't mean it offensively. Some internet research reveals that gamers especially seem to find it an acceptable use, and defend it vehemently, but they do not, I believe, have my background and certainly not my sensitivity.
I represented something like 150 convicted rapists when I did criminal appellate work in the Army. Thirty two years, and I still cannot forget reading the transcripts. What they did was so reprehensible that the word should be reserved for that horror and that horror alone.
@mayjay I changed, it doesn't bother me as it has more than just the meaning of sexual forcing. But i don't mean to offend anyone which is so easy these days. It also means the wanton destruction or spoiling of something (our season in this case). Obviously I didn't mean the first one, I'm actually floored bye this, yes I meant the NCAA forced themselves on our VB players. Come on man. I would think an educated man would be lead to this.
Although I didnt see the original post, since it has been edited, evidently, but the discussion about phraseology is telling enough. Although I'd never use the "r" word myself, this whole side discussion is bothersome, because it is going off-topic, needlessly. A perfect, perfect example of people on 2 sides of a conversation, who can take a common phrase or common word, and apply "another" of the word's or phrase's connotations, and manufacture it to now be offensive. Just stop. Its exactly whats been going on nationwide. The pansyfication of america (with the lowercase 'a'). There's a little, small, tiny detail called context. Nobody is disrespecting anyone's daughter, nor was such (criminal, voilent offense) part of this discussion. Like nobody knew what the writer was trying to say? How many views did that comment get and how many 'got' what the writer meant, irrespective of what they thought about the style or diction/phraseology used? I got a theory about which side the overwhelming majority of readers would be on. And most of that majority knows an abstraction when they see one.
How would some of these 'sports fans' do if they were stuck right in the middle of the losing KU or NFL locker room at halftime and had to hear the red,red,red-faced version of Self or most NFL coaches on a tirade? I guarantee many of 'these' fans would be uneasy, offended, etc. ...And some of those would actually cease to be fans of Self or whatever coach. Cant even handle lockerroom banter.
But clearly and easily missed the whole point: it was just colorful, questionable-taste banter...nothing more. Pick a better battle.
Or, instead of the distasteful 'visual' of the phrase "bend over &...", maybe the writer opts to be more simpler, more direct and say "we got screwed..." (everybody knows the context)...or as we've all heard since jr. high: "we got F'd..." (everybody knows what this abstraction means). In the 80s, we used to say "hosed" (but no doubt some would even mfg an offense out of that one: "what do you mean by 'hose', is that referring to a body part?") ...shock...indignation...hurt feelings... L.O.L.
A great Bill Self abstract phrase applies here: Soft. And maybe what he has also said about KU fans: spoiled. (Soft and spoiled).
Cliff Notes version of above: trying to mfg an offense when the original writer was simply using an abstract phrase, is a pointless exercise. By doing so, the replier puts himself outside the discussion--missing the point because of diction, or at least that's what some of us may wonder ("why'd he go there?" We know what the writer meant, why didnt this replying guy get it?).
Want to play the game of spinning someone's words? I'll play that game, sure...we can flesh out this "sidebar", right? Play devils advocate. I honestly dont think the writer was trying to offend anyone, even with his original phrase used, which was absolutely an abstraction.
@mayjay I gave you a +1 for allowing us to think on these concepts further. I do think 100% of us would agree about the heinousness of the criminal act of rape. But "equating sports with war" is a fairly different concept. (The remainder of this post is NOT directed @mayjay, but simply is food for thought for all bucketeers).
Wasnt the Olympics started by the Greeks as a noble idea to allow nations to "spar" through sports? There are FAR too many analogies to 'battle' to ignore. Actually, we would be ignorant if we pretended they do not exist: battle in the trenches, air raid, blitzing secondary, blitzing LBs, all out blitz, longrange bombs, got speared, cut off at the knees, cut down, steamrollered, soft, getting "owned", who's your daddy, head-hunting free safety, getting decimated, front line...
Actually, my counter-postulate is that sports are a great substitute for actual warfare, just exactly as the Greeks intended. I'd much, much, MUCH rather have us use the above phraseology to apply to football or basketball, than actual battlefield conflicts. Being a 30+yr avid, lifelong historian on armed conflicts (Revolutionary War, Civil War, Indian Wars, WW1, WW2, Vietnam, modern wars), I have ample reference books showing ghastly and grisly details of all the above conflicts. I know mankind's inner nature (collectively speaking): it is indeed warlike and territorial, and that, ladies and gentlemen, has NOT changed thru the ages. Just look at the 20th century alone, all 'civilized' nations included. You have your proof. Dont ignore it like the progressives do.
People want to belong to something. They want to be a part of something. So it is awesome to have NCAA and NFL teams you and me can be a part of: get the gear, go to games, passionately discuss your team(s)--until, of course, you come across someone who wants to mfg an offense or insult out of your sports-directed passion, right? I personally think all the above phrases used in sports are harmless, compared to when those exact same phrases are used in a time of armed conflict. Again, dont let context bite us in the a-- (oops, there's another abstraction, dang it...). And if I was to educationally tell some young child or teenager about the origin of the phrase, it would serve, very appropriately as a sobering reminder of the horrors of war.
@ralster I agree with both your post, I should've used a different word. But it doesn't mean that I dont take that kind of thing seriously. Anyone that has read my comments on Briles from Baylor knows this. @mayjay I wont use it again, I just fell like I was insulted for using a word bye its meaning.
@kjayhawks I knew what you meant, guess some are just offended - -most knew what you were talking about or trying to get across - - and you like myself am absolutely 100% correct because that is what the committee done. I mean why play the regular season if this is how they are going to reward a " SEASON'S" full of hard work and effort from the ladies. - - Did they sees Texas off their NAME. Sorry if this offends anyone but I'm gonna say it anyways - -give me a fricking break. Looks to me like they rewarded them for their past. SOOOOO now the ladies prize for going 26-2 - - winning the conference championship - -the same conference that TEXAS is in - -the same TEXAS that was and still is rated below us in the top 20 in volleyball we are 4th and I believe they are 7th, our reward for splitting the series with them, our reward? - - we get to go to Austin - - -again play on the home floor, of course with the understanding we win our first 2 , which I feel if we play like we can then this will play out - - but this is our reward for the season - - makes perfectly good sense to me - - -UN-BELIEVABLE - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
All that being said, yes, the KU ladies suffered "a serious injustice" by the selection committee...
@ralster @kjayhawks I think you both missed my point. Although there are other meanings to the word rape that don't mean the crime, that casual use has only come into common practice in the past few decades. My concern is not that I was "offended": it was a plea to keep the word for use in the heinous context only to make it retain its opprobrium--to describe a horrible act and not daily disappointments.
There is an especially awful lifelong effect on rape victims, often unknown to everyone around them. The effects of getting a bad seed, or losing a game, or anything else like that, don't compare.
Anyone thinking it is acceptable to casually use the word, maybe you can check with anyone you know who has been raped. See how they feel about it. (It is not being a pansy, @ralster, to be aware that people around you might have different reactions stemming from different experiences.) If you find victims who don't mind the word being used as you defend, I am wrong. Bbut I think you will have to search very hard, and I bet there aren't a lot of them.
Finally, @kjayhawks, I acknowledged that you didn't intend anything bad so there was no reason to feel accused. I was making a larger context point. People can listen if they want, close their ears if they want, but language has impact and it doesn't hurt to be reminded of this.
@mayjay Why are you preaching about rape and its heinousness to us? Of course its heinous. Nobody is contesting that, are they?? I personally think use of the word "rape" is too stark to use as an abstraction or colloquial expression. I would only use it for its criminal act context. But thats just me personally.
Maybe you'd better realize there is a wide, wide variation in ages and experiences, even generational differences between those of us who post here--I'm 50 with a 28yr old daughter and a 17yr old son, as well as a wife (served in USAF) who dealt with a situation in her early teen years I wish her mom could have protected her from. So dont need any reminding, & I speak for myself. I may be looking to make some point. Or, contrarily, I may be looking to make a counterpoint or simply play devil's advocate from a debate banter sort of way. Im a fan of Self for too many reasons, chiefly, his midwestern beliefs, his ideas on playstyle, and toughness especially. He's what 2 or 3 yrs older than me, I get where he's coming from. Known many guys like him. But true that all guys even in their 50s are NOT cut from the same cloth.
I almost want to/dont want to ...ask you what you think of this whole concept of microagressions? Dare I ask? (Beware, I already have formulated some idea of what you may say about it.)
@ralster said:
Maybe you’d better realize there is a wide, wide variation in ages and experiences, even generational differences between those of us who post here....
That was the basis for my post--different people could have different--even extreme--reactions to that word; it isn't unfair to let casual users of it know that it can be loaded for some. There are lots of articles on line written by rape victims about how it can wrench them back to their experience.
Microaggressions?--I don't recognize the concept. Absurd to me, as no doubt to you. But to extend: Real aggressions, however?--I fully support efforts to stamp them out, and think bullying of defenseless people deserves being booted out the airlock.
A couple of others: "Rape culture"? Don't agree with that as an indictment of society, or of men, as a whole as some contend. Rape as a major problem and too often laughed about or ignored?--Absolutely. (Need we go any further than Stanford rapist dad referring to his son's rape of an unconscious woman as "20 minutes of action"?)
Lecturing or sermonizing, by the way, is all anyone can do to effect change on an issue they feel requires elucidation. Read about any gang rape and you often see witnesses who said they were not willing to get involved, or even participants who were not willing to object. Maybe educating people about the whole subject can broaden the awareness needed to give more people enough moral courage to speak up. My exposure was extreme. Most people prefer not to be exposed, and for good reason.
I note you might tend toward sermonizing, too! (By the way, I wanted to fork this over to a new thread but didn't know how.)
Back to Volleyball...I understand that many fans feel that KU got...pick your own expression...but I really don't believe is that bad. Texas beat KU 3-1 in Austin and lost 3-2 in Lawrence, so slight edge to Texas. Texas lost to Defending Champion and #2 Nebraska and #3 Wisconsin and one bad loss to ISU. KU has one bad loss to Purdue.
In the rankings, KU was #4 and Texas #5, but these are rankings voted by the coaches and do not include things like strength of schedule or RPI. For the tournament, forum posters listed KU as a #5 seed which is misleading and perhaps the reason for the dissatisfaction; KU was not just a #5 seed but the "overall" #5 seed and simply switched places with Texas which the NCAA estimated had a tougher schedule. Being 1 position off the ranking does not seem too bad to me. Can anyone explain to me why this is so egregiously bad?
We see this all the time in basketball; in 2015 Wichita State, a team that had been at times in the top 10 and all season long in the top 20 got a #7 seed, which means it was somewhere between 25-28 overall, that is probably 10 spots lower than it should have been...did not work well for KU, BTW.
@JayHawkFanToo I agreed about WSUs seeding that year, they should have been a 4 or 5 and we should've been a 3 with Cliff out and Perry not a 100%. Us winning the same conference would have been to me the deciding factor, playing against the same teams, with a better record. Purdue wasn't a terrible lost at the time idk where they ended up but was ranked 14th when we lost to them on the road. I just feel like the deck was stacked against as it is in BB most of the time. @mayjay I can see some of what your saying, I tend to agree more with @ralster. But it's not worth an argument, I'm fine not using it and I'm ok to agree to disagree with anyone.
@JayHawkFanToo I noticed the difference between "a 5 seed" and "the overall national 5 seed" but not before all the dissatisfaction was voiced. Your analysis is penetrating. The LDJ site, or KCStar, also explains that the seeding was partly due to KU's arena being below Elite 8 standards and there is a huge conflict with AFH that would require use of a nonstandard floor for the vball teams, at least for practice or something.
Incidentally, what do people think about Ohio State not winning the Big 10 East yet likely to still be in the FB playoffs?
@kjayhawks Agreeing to disagree is a welcome relief from all the people of all persuasions nationwide who seem unable to conceive that people can genuinely have different ideas and still be good Americans! Thank you.
Of course, I am excluding Mizzou fans from my generalization. Just sayin'........
@JayHawkFanToo yadayada don't want to hear it. We did not not lose to ISU
Do you think that the difference between the overall #4 and#5 is that big? I certainly don't. Best way to prove them wrong is...win baby win...
@JayHawkFanToo yes I do! We should've been rewarded! How many years? Payne train went down w/sprain and we still did it. Seeding had nothing to do w/court size. There are options. It would be nice to play them at home because the ladies deserve it!💙❤️
@JayHawkFanToo Its huge because starting this year the top 4 seeds host their regional, so if we win three times and they do we play in their house.
Like I said, the best way to prove them wrong is to win. Remember the 2007 NCAA when #1 ranked KU had to plat #2 UCLA in their backyard? or 1988 when KU got to play the Final Four in Kansas City? It happens all the time, in all sports; KU basketball is shafted location-wise by the NCAA on a yearly basis and it sucks but it deals with it.
Kansas head coach Ray Bechard
On not being a top-four seed:
"You split hairs between the fourth and fifth seed, probably, but let's really rejoice in being the highest seed in Kansas volleyball history: a five seed. With the type of regular season we have had, hopefully we can keep that momentum going into a really strong NCAA tournament."
BTW, i could not find a link that indicates that KU was seeded #5 instead of #4 because of its small arena; maybe someone can provide a link?
In any case, I mentioned before that KU should be playing some games at AFH and I was told by several posters that Horejsi Family Athletics Center represented a distinctive advantage for KU...well, apparently playing in a small arena does have advantages but it also does have some consequences. I am a big fan of the Volleyball team and I hope they kick butt in the tournament; I have the procedure to by-pass the black out down path and I will be using it for men's basketball this evening and if needed for the volleyball games as well. I think this is a team of destiny and it will do juts fine wherever they play.
@JayHawkFanToo believe me they were disappointed, classy guy and not the time.
@JayHawkFanToo Here it is. Jesse Newell article from 11/27. Make sure you have recently cleared your cookies or the KCStar site limits your access. I tried to cut and paste it but there were major frustrating format issues. My phone was starting to smoke, or maybe it was coming out of my ears.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article117438783.html ↗
@Crimsonorblue22 said:
Seeding had nothing to do w/court size. There are options.
Please read the article. Options were severely limited. Might be a good incentive to build a 4500 seat site.
The football team could possibly get their first sellout in years there, too!
@JayHawkFanToo I understand what your saying for sure - - BUT still think it's wrong. Again I mean the ladies have every goal so far they have sit out to do. Be in the top 10 nationally, de-thorne Texas from their 5 year rein as big 12 champs and I'm sure personal goals also. Which by the way while I think about it Congrads to Kelsi for being named BIG 12 Player of the year in volleyball WTG , great job.
But back to what I was saying STILL this is our reward for the long over all season? -- Top 10 all year, - -26-2 - - - Big 12 champs & split with Texas? - -our reward? - - if we win our 1st 3 then we face off with them - -AGAIN on their home floor - -just doesn't seem right to me, no matter how you spin it, but it's all gravy - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@mayjay still has no bearing on seeding. That's the article I was referring too. If we continue to win they may not except our bid. I remember when we played at expo center- Topeka a couple of years ago. Seems like I heard they may add on in the future, just enough to qualify
@jayballer54 I think @DanR helped you last time?
@Crimsonorblue22 Hmmm.....Maybe I was reading between the lines. I know the NCAA has a history of adjusting seeds for logistical reasons. I thought the "problems for KU hosting the second weekend" was a reference to that, otherwise I didn't see the relevance to the long discussion of problems if it simply goes to a better seed.
@Crimsonorblue22 @JayHawkFanToo
Apparently my conclusions are not shared by our coach:
From a LDJ article on Sunday I wish I had seen before:
....
Bechard laughed off any suggestion that the selection committee might have given Texas the nod over Kansas because it has a facility available for all time slots for the regional round.
“No way, they are going to seed them one through 16 and then figure out who can host and who can’t host,” Bechard said.
....
Well, when you are wrong it is good to get it settled, no?
@Crimsonorblue22 Well, no duh!
I have no doubt that the team was disappointed by the seeding but it was based on RPI and SOS; Texas was #2 and KU was #6.
"There’s more that goes into it, though. KU coach Ray Bechard admitted that he’d spent a lot of time trying to pick out strong nonconference foes to help his team’s RPI, and many of those squads didn’t perform as expected."
As a result, the last RPI posted on NCAA.com had Texas second and KU sixth.
Unfortunately, KU's opponents did not perform overall as well as Texas; nothing anyone can do about it.
As you know, programs schedule opponents with an eye on the RPI. KU Basketball, according to HC Self, has one of the best schedulers in the business in projecting where teams will be and scheduling accordingly; consequently KU always end up with a very high SOS and a a good RPI resulting from winning most of those games. Look at it this way, the season before last KU and ISU split in men's basketball in the regular season and ISU beat KU in the Conference tournament and won the title; however, KU had a #2 seed and ISU a #3 since KU had the better RPI. Like I said, it happens all the time and sometimes you benefit from it and some times you don't..
Would I have liked to see KU as the #4 seed? abso-frigging-lutely YES. Do I feel KU got shafted by the NCAA? Emotions would lead me to say yes, but the numbers and logic -in my opinion- would seem to indicate no.
@JayHawkFanToo give it up, can't change my mind!❤️💙
@JayHawkFanToo
Careful, when @Crimsonorblue22 starts flinging emojis you're toast.
I know. Look at what happened to me. She even went back and changed Sunday newspaper stories! The woman has no peer.
You gotta love @Crimsonorblue22, no body loves KU more than she does...she is also the de-facto forum mom that keeps us all unruly kids in line.❤️💙
@JayHawkFanToo tough job! I have 2 great boys to show for it!
@Crimsonorblue22 Can I have the keys and some money?
@mayjay speaking of the keys, last week I had a mouse run across my feet on my way to work. I yelled! Was barely out of the drive so not going to fast. Slammed it into park and jumped out. Opened the doors and back, saw him come out from under pass. Side and go up under dash. Went on and didn't look down. A guy at work looked around and couldn't find anything. He was chewing on a scarf. Couple of years ago while getting my car serviced my in cabin filter was full of dog food. Dog food secured now. Caught a few in the garage but I think I have one living under the hood.
Be very careful with mice; they will chew wiring like there is no tomorrow and they can get through the smallest openings.
@JayHawkFanToo so what do I do?
Make sure mice is gone and all openings from engine compartment to inside the car are sealed so you don't get them again. Here is a link to a video with suggestions. [link](
You can find lots of videos on YouTube with instructions on how to get rid of mice in cars.
@JayHawkFanToo I'm sure this will be right up my alley🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀🐁🐁🚶
@Crimsonorblue22 I had an old 1969 Rambler that depended on the mice under the hood to turn the treadmill. Early version of a hybrid.
I had a mouse destroy the wiring harness to my work truck. Apparently it was crawling up under the hood for warmth when I parked at the shed. The mice have all since been killed at the shed. Let's just say it was fumigated.
The difference between a four and a five seed in this tournament is huge. If it were on a neutral court it wouldn't be a big deal, but this gives Texas home field in games 3-4 that KU should have. And we all know the girls love to play at Horejsi. It's a disservice to the hard work they did in the regular season to do so.
The selection committees too often rely upon RPI to do their job. I don't know enough about volleyball to be objective, but in general I'd take body of work + confernce champion + eye test over RPI/BPI/BSPI.
Even if KU was the overall #4 seed, it could not have been able to play the regional at Horejsi since it does not meet the NCAA guidelines. KU looked at Topeka Convention Center, Municipal Auditorium and Sprint Center in KC and they were all booked as was AFH. The only way to play at AFH was to get a special variance from the NCAA to change game and practice times. If KU was the #4 seed and advanced, it would most likely have had to play at the locations of the next lower seed in its bracket anyway, so all of this is really moot.
@JayHawkFanToo ask the team if it's a moot pt? Did you play sports?
@mayjay Good points, even if we may differ on taking over a thread with an outside topic...which, of course I'm guilty of partaking in myself from time to time.
You do make great points about "re-living" awful traumatic experiences. I do help at a VA, & it is indeed notable how many suffer from PTSD from either battlefield scenarios, or military sexual trauma, that indeed happens, as Im sure you are aware. I do thank you for helping those so affected. And thank you for your service, sir!
@JayHawkFanToo Playing at Texas or a neutral court that KU has a hand in picking, hmm....
@Crimsonorblue22 Put poison in your car, this time a year we get a ton of cars with mice trouble, I've seen some nasty things that can happen when they get into the blower motor. Believe me you never wanna clean that mess or chase wires that they may have chewed thru.
@kjayhawks like where? And what kind? I'm a real mechanical genius! I did put steering wheel fluid in last week!
@Crimsonorblue22 put some around you air box, also if you have a garage go buy a sonic mouse preventer, you can get them at Walmart they plug in to the wall and make a noise that bugs mice and keep them away.
@kjayhawks I have a sonic thing in basement. I have poison in garage, sticky traps, caught 3. Repellent thrown under car. Smells to bad to put in car. We went 2 hrs away for thanksgiving and my aunt gave us food, we put it in my folks frig but put the rolls in a ziplock bag in car and Guess what? Chewed out corner! The damn thing went to thanksgiving w/us! We caught the 3 rd mouse since we've got home. Hope it was him. The one in my car was chewing on my scarve. I hate them!! I don't know what an air box is. Thx!
@kjayhawks Problem with poison in the car is that the mice can die in an inaccessible place and then you will be paying for disassembly and cleaning and lots of aerosol deodoizing sprays.
Traps are better!
@Crimsonorblue22 I guess you could get a snake to hunt 'em down. Or put a cat under the hood.
About that air box? I have learned to do a few things that I hate to do!
@Crimsonorblue22 put traps around the tires while parked for extended periods (overnight). This is where they get up on the car.
@Crimsonorblue22 I had a houseful in an old farmhouse I owned about 20 yrs ago. Apparently they had moved in after discovering a major population explosion of mice, whose evidence was all over any cabinet base in the house. They were shedding their skins in the crawlspace and in the pockets of my cinderblock foundation walls.
Right up until one of them started moving along my left arm and lifted its head out of attic insulation to flick his tongue at me when I was sprawled out up there removing some siding and sheathing.
The siding removal was of wood-boring beetles, thus justifying a $5,500 full "tent fumigation" of the house, and collaterally eliminating the offending reptiles. No, I didn’t have to buy new underwear--but almost.
In any event, when the snakes were there, there had been no mice, just their historical evidence. So, they do work!
Top 4 vb plays
As a matter if fact I did play sports including varsity in college. The point I was making and that apparently got lost in the translation is that KU could not find a facility available for the regional in case they were given the overall #4 seed and they even checked as far as Topeka and Kansas City; by the way AFH was booked on that day for the KU-Nebraska basketball game. According to what I have read, if a team cannot provide a venue, then the games area played at the venue of the next lower seed, which would have been...Texas and we would have ended up in the exact same situation, hence the "moot" comment.
Remember last NCCA tournament? KU a #1 seed was sent to Lexington, Kentucky...of all places...instead of Chicago. It happens all the time, even to big time programs like KU basketball.
Read my reply to @Crimsonorblue22. If KU was ranked #4 the game would have been played at Texas anyway since KU could not find a location that met NCAA guidelines.
@JayHawkFanToo Good points, but I think people seem determined to believe KU would have found a way to make it work. What they don't seem to realize is that the arena would be needed, I believe, for all three matches that second weekend, not just the regional final. (I do wonder if the Neb bb game could have been moved to earlier to allow for a floor install--like 11 a.m., but when you start inconveniencing TV, well, then there is hell to pay.)
In a larger sense, it is really moot simply because because the decision has been made and isn't likely to change. (Edit: I guess if Texas loses there is a chance of us hosting, acc to the Newell article.)
If the players get pissed about it and use it as motivation, all the better for them.
If they spend a lot of time whining about it and worrying about Texas, uh oh.....
How many times have people on this Board obsessed about eventual unfair matchups down the road when our bb seeding seemed wrong, only to watch us get eliminated before the "unfair" round? That is the danger for the players if they get distracted. Two games at home, two games elsewhere -- all steps that have to be taken to get back to where they are aiming.
Anger (redirected from the Committee to all opposing teams) can help you prove you are better. Whining does nothing but make you look vulnerable and unconfident.
@JayHawkFanToo You really think KU would've picked Texas to play at? Hell playing in Omaha would be better for KU. Think about it a bit, KU wouldn't choose to go to Texas. Anywhere, but an opponents home would be better. I know what you've been told you've repeated/restated it several times.
Also if Texas loses and KU wins KU gets to pick the site...per Tait's earlier article. So your argument that KU couldn't hold the tournament is moot as that is what they could have to do. I realize it won't be in Allen or Horejsi, but it shouldn't be in Texas either.
Kansas volleyball happy to be playing at home sweet Horejsi ↗
@mayjay We are complaining about a perceived injustice forced upon us by a committee that doesn't have to answer to anyone. The team is soldiering on. Not all complaints are whiny, hope I'm not coming across as so. I know exactly how annoying some of my friends are on facebook right now whining about the election.
@dylans Sorry! Not at you at all! My comment about whining was only about hoping the team doesn't fall into that trap. Focusing on injustices can become a built-in excuse for losing.
Dissatisfaction institutionally with the NCAA--to try to effect change--is entirely different.
Oh brother! They ARE NOT WHINERS! Far from it. I could care less about where they play. Think Stanford last year. Best game ever! It would be sweet to continue on at home, but I'm only talking about they deserved to be seated 4 period! It's very subjective. The program took a huge jump this year winning the big 12! I can't tell you what a super accomplishment this was for the program. I have watched every game that was on tv or streamed. I followed the others online. 🎤 Drop!
@Crimsonorblue22 Oh, for crying out loud! I said I hope they don't whine because it would be distracting, not that they are whiners!
Once again...
KU made a bid along with many other programs to host tournament games. The NCAA has requirements for the venues that will host the games; early round games can be played pretty much anywhere but the regionals have a 3,000 minimum capacity and the court must be available at certain times for practice and so the teams acclimate to the venue. Horenjsi worked fine for the early games but did not meet the requirements for the regionals, so, a different venue was required.
KU is hosting Nebraska that day at AFH and the game is nationally televised and was contracted well in advance and cannot be changed.
KU checked the convention Center in Topeka, where they played before, but it was booked and not available. They also checked Municipal Auditorium and Sprint Center in Kansas City and both were booked and unavailable. By NCAA rule, if KU could not provide a venue, like in this case, the games are played at the venue provided by the next lower seed in the region, in this case Texas.
If KU was seeded #4 instead of #5, we would have the exact same situation where the regionals would have been played at the venue provided by the next lower seed which would have been Texas. KU does not get to pick a neutral venue, it must follow the rules that are in place. If KU would have been able to find a venue that would meet the NCAA requirements, it would have been different but since it could not, it ended up being a moot point, right?
A few weeks ago, before the Texas game, I mentioned that KU needed to start thinking about building a volleyball venue with a 3,000 to 5,000 capacity and it was taken by some posters as blasphemy, look it up. It seems that a larger facility will now be considered in view of the success of the program. The advantage of a small venue disappeares when you cannot play NCAA regional games there, wouldn't you agree?
Again, I have nothing against the volleyball program; in fact, it is my favorite program after men's basketball and I have mentioned this before and long before it became popular. I understand that the team would have preferred to be seeded higher and I would have too, but in this particular case it turned out to be irrelevant.
Now, back to basketball.
We know that already. Have heard there are plans in place. They do Not want to build AFH 2. A few in our conference have to play in their bb gyms, loses the whole home advantage.
@Crimsonorblue22 How big would be ideal? Do tickets cost much? I assume a new place would charge more.
Tickets for the Texas game were going for well over $100 although they are usually a lot less. Obviously no one advocating building AFH 2; however increasing the capacity to 3,000-4,000 can be done by enlarging the current facility. I looked at the satellite images of Horesji and I believe it is doable. The original facility was built for $3.8M and I would think the mods can be made for around $2M which with another deep run can be easily raised...I would think...
@JayHawkFanToo Yes, they said you have to have at least a 3,000 capacity to host a regional. Also better to do so now while the VB is hot and gotten the attention that they have, it also could help in recruiting. Sad thing to me is that our 2a highschool gym in the middle of BFE holds as much as Horejsi.
I am surprised they did not check with Johnson County Community College, their gym hold 3,500 and has held numerous national tournaments in various disciplines...less than 30 minutes from the KU campus.
Still don't think expanding Horejsi shoupd a priority right now simply because it's not a revenue sport.
All fundraising efforts right now need to be focused on Memorial Stadium because football is a revenue sport and the Big 12 is on its deathbed right now. Keep building football up amd renovating Memorial and put expanding Horejsi as the next priority after Memorial Stadium gets the renovations it desperately needs.
The cost of enlarging Horejsi is very minor compared to upgrading the stadium. Like I indicated, a deep run in the tournament would allow the expansion to pay itself, as long as the program stays successful. The increased income from, say an additional 1,500 seats, would easily pay a bond issue in 10 years, but I think the money could be raised without the need of a bond and with no negative effect on the fund raising for the stadium.
@JayHawkFanToo Looks like JCCC has men's bb home games both Thurs evening and Saturday afternoon if I read their schedule correctly.
Maybe might have required too much compensation?
The scheduled times of JuCo games should not be that complicated to change...with some compensation, of course. KU's men's basketball
game, on the other hand, is on national TV on ESPN and changing the time would affect the entire ESPN schedule for that day that was set up months ago...not doable.
At this point I'm more likely to go to a volleyball game than football. (Slim and none are the odds) Why wouldn't you take care of the winners? It'll take $2-5 million for renovations or a new facility. You can't do anything for $5 million for the football team that will matter. They will still have sub-par facilitiies and a team that is years away from relevance. At this point WSU's football team has the same odds to make the playoffs as KU.
If 5th ranked Texas, who got 2 in big 12 vs big 12 winner and 4th ranked KU wins, its a moot pt
@JayHawkFanToo You cannot enlargen Horejsi because their physically isn't the space to do so. There's Allen Fieldhouse one side and the student. Getting volleyball a facility that seats at least 3,000 would require a new building which means either a completely new facility or razing Horejsi and rebuilding it. Neither option is cheap enough to put ahead of Memorial Stadium.
The Big 12 is going to die when the current TV deal is done, doing everything possible to get into the B10 absolutely has to be tge top priority right now which means focusing on football and getting Memorial renovated.
This is not correct. All the mechanical equipment is located East of the building between Horejsi and AFH and it can easily be moved and the arena expanded East to that location and seats added at the end and the sides also expanded. It can also expand to the West where the access road is ( it can be relocated to the north end) and seats added to the end and sides; both options would increase the capacity by 50% to 100%.. Finally, it can also be expanded to the south where the existing street is and expand the number of rows on both side above the existing; currently there seem to be about 15 rows of seats on each side, by adding and extra 8 rows on each side you are well over 3,000 capacity. Obviously these options would require modifications of the surrounding structures/roads.
Horejsi is just a big steel structure that can be easily raised and moved using hydraulic jacks, a fairly common procedure; I will guess that if an expansion is considered, one of the scenarios above will likely be selected....and yes, I am a Civil Engineer and I know it is doable.
Like I said, a good run in the NCAA might create enough interest to raise enough $ to fund the expansion without affecting whatever effort is in place to raise money to renovate/enlarge Memorial Stadium.
Looking at the Big 10 reminds me of all the pool players that paid for most of my beer in college, they were always looking to the leave for the next shot and missing the ball at hand; I always played the ball at hand and won the great majority of the time. We are in the Big 12 for the foreseeable future so let's deal with it now and worry about the Big 10 when the time comes. The Big 10 recently expanded to 14 teams and it is highly unlikely they will expand further and dilute payouts to the current programs. The only conference with more than 14 members is the ACC with 15 and Notre Dame does not compete in football but does it as an independent.
@JayHawkFanToo It would be much simpler and cheaper to build a new building than to relocate a bunch of mechanical equipment and move Horejsi.
Your math is also way off. Adding 8 rows doesn't double the capacity when the rows are the same length. 8 rows makes the capacity still less than 2,000.
Your pool analogy also doesn't work in this case. KU's atheltic department is a corporation that exists to make money. Not planning for the long term is just poor business practice. ESPN and Fox actively telling the B12 to not expand should make KU absolutely want to look elsewher because there is more money in a 16 team B10 which is where this is headed.
This is headed to an 8 team playoff with the conference title games being the quarterfinals. ESPN has deals with the SEC and ACC and Fox has deals with the B10 and Pac 12. Planning for that future is why KU needs to focus on Memorial far more than a volleyball program that doesn't generate revenue for KU.
Moving the mechanical equipment is a relatively simple procedure that is done all the time.
My math is not wrong. there are current;y 15 rows on each side or 30 total that account for 2,000+ seats, or roughly 66+ seats per row. adding 8 rows per side or 16 rows total of 66 seat each (same total width) adds 1,056 seat for a grand total of just over 3,000 seats.
Again planning ahead before dealing with the condition at hand is a worse business practice...ask Hillary how well it worked out for her; she thought she had the election won and it came back to bite her in the arse. Newsweek apparently printed 1M magazines with the cover "Madam President" before the election and had to recall the entire batch. The football team needs to show it can win at least 6 games before any work is done on the stadium and any other conference feels it is worth courting. There is a better chance of the Big 12 expanding than KU going to the B1G...in my opinion, of course and I could be wrong.
@JayHawkFanToo I know how all that stuff works because I was in that industry for 7 years. It's not logistically complicated, it's time consuming and time=money. Horejsi is connected to Allen Fieldhouse and the student athlete training facility which does complicate all of the mechanical systems . It takes time to plan that logistics of it out. Moving roads, not a simple process and it means shutting down the parking lot for McCarthy, Hoglund, and Oliver while that process is going on. It's a logistical pain in the butt which means it costs more money to do all that stuff than the volleyball program is worth right now.
Your math is also wrong about the current capacity of Horejsi. It only has a 1300 capacity right now. With 30 rows currently, that means a little over 40 people per row. Each row has pretty much the same capacity. Adding 16 rows doesn't even come close to putting Horejsi at 3,000. It gets Horejsi to 2,000 at best. To get Horejsi's capacity to 3,000, it has to be about 130% larger. There flat out is not space to do so in its current location.
So again, the cheapest way to get KU volleyball their own facility with 3,000 capacity is to build a bramd new facility which should not be the priority right now. It's awesome that volleyball is having the run they are right now, but they don't generate revenue for KUAC which is a corporation designed to fund the KU athletics department. ESPN and Fox's decision to not support Big 12 expansion means the Big 12 is on its last legs and that KU needs to be looking out for best interests of KUAC in the long run. Once again, ESPN and Fox literally paid the Big 12 not expand so tell how is going to expand when their TV partners are paying not to expand. The B12 is on its last legs because ESPN and Fox made a decision they would rather have 4 major conferences than 5.
Do you know why Chicago became much more of an important city than St. Louis? It's because Chicago embraced rail transportation in tge mid 1800's way before St. Louis did. Railways were built to Chicago and Chicago became the most important city in the Midwest because of that. Failing to be proactive instead of reactive will doom any business in any industry. KUAC is no different. Focusing 10, 15, 20 years down the road should always be priority and getting into a conference that will still be around in 20 years versus taking a chance on the B12 being around in 20 years is simply foolish. Focusing on football amd improving all aspects, including the stadium is a way to make this happen.
There's simply no argument you can make that will convince me that any KUAC project should take priorty over Memorial Stadium right now.
@Texas-Hawk-10 does it matter that the vb program doesn't lose us money?
@Crimsonorblue22 Volleyball does lose money though. Only football and men's basketball operate in the black at KU and that's because of the TV contract. All the other sports at KU operate in the red and are subsidized by football and basketball. There are some schools where women's basketball and baseball operate in the black, but not many of them do and KU isn't among those schools.