🏀 KuBuckets Archive

This is where I will keep a running list of KU's 2018 recruits. I may not add players immediately because of work, but I will try to keep it as up to date as possible. I do the list in alphabetical order, not by highest rated because that can be subjective from service to service.

Aaron Brule, S, 6-1, 195, Rummel HS, Metarie, LA, Committed on 2/4/17

Cartez Crook-Jones, DE, 6-5, 230, Grandview HS, Grandview, MO, Committed on 2/9/17

Corione Harris, CB, 6-1, 170, Landry-Walker HS, New Orleans, LA, Committed on 2/4/17

Tevailance Hunt, WR, 6-2, 180, Texas HS, Texarkana, TX, Committed on 4/15/17

Devonta Jason, WR, 6-3, 187, Landry-Walker HS, New Orleans, LA, Committed on 2/4/17

Clayton Tune, QB, 6-2, 188, Hebron HS, Carrollton, TX, Committed on 2/4/17

Anthony Williams, RB, 5-8, 165, Hahnville HS, Boutte, LA, Committed on 2/4/17

Had a good weekend excited for these next few years.

@kjayhawks said:

Had a good weekend excited for these next few years.

This was not a good weekend. This was a great weekend for KU football. I think KU has a pretty good shot at landing at least 2 more kids out of Louisiana. There's a pair of teammates from Warren Easton where Tony Hull coached before KU that KU has their eyes on. Both are 3 star players, one is a WR and the other is a CB.

This might legitimately be the best recruiting weekend KU football has ever had.

As of today (February 5, 2017), KU has the 9th ranked class in the country according to 247. I'm only mentioning that now because it'll likely drop as the year goes on, but to see KU football in the top 10 for football recruiting at any point is just insane.

@Texas-Hawk-10 very true, hopefully they stay committed. Let's win some more games this fall to help!!

@Texas-Hawk-10

Dang...and I mean DANG!!! KU is finally on the right road to respectability.

@Texas-Hawk-10 HA I posted the exact same thing in the other thread before I read this lol. - Would be really good if we could hold these guys - -and build off all this, maybe not a top 1`0 obviously - -BUT dam get a top 25-30 class would be outstanding compared to yrs past. - - You know we start getting some of these players, it's going to make other really good players at least take notice, take a look, wondering, think - -HEY whz going on over at KU - -maybe want to come a be a part of the re-birth of KU football. - I know those two said Lee played a big part in their decision, his playing time and the success he had - - All I can say is - - -HELL YA, JUMPIN -- -GEE -- HOOSA - -FATS - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Coach Hull in pretty good company.

2018 Recruiter Rankings

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    Name        Team

    1  Brent Pry     Penn State
    2  Tony Hull    Kansas
    3  Mike Rumph     Miami
    4  Corey Raymond      LSU
    5  Jeff Banks      Texas A&M
    6  Ricky Rahne       Penn State
    7  Mike Elston       Notre Dame
    8  Emmett Jones      Texas Tech
    9  Odell Haggins      Florida State
   10  Josh Gattis      Penn State

KU and Beaty need to do everything in their power to keep Tony Hull because as long as he's at KU, that pipeline KU now has into New Orleans is going to stay open until for KU until Hull is no longer here. Louisiana is just an entirely different culture from the rest of the country and these guys aren't joking about the family atmosphere having a huge influence on their decisions. I know @wissox and anyone else including myself who have spent a significant portion of time in Louisiana will 100% back up this claim about the loyalty of Louisiana people being accurate and Hull has the loyalty of HS coaches and players all over the New Orleans area specifically.

Landing Tyriek Starks was the beginning. The connection with Hull was made during this recruitment because Starks played at Warren Easton under Hull. Reggie Mitchell then leaves for Arkansas and KU has a need for a new RB coach. Beaty takes a calculated risk by bringing in Hull in an attempt to get some players out of Louisiana. Almost immediately, Hull gets commitments from Mike Lee and Malik Clark (Clark is also from Warren Easton) and then gets Lee to enroll a year early at KU. In his 1st year, Hull also lands Travis Jordan and Takulve Williams both from the New Orleans area as well. In a little over a year on the job, Hull brings in 4 Louisiana players, one of whom gets a chance to play early. Getting players from Louisiana to visit KU is a big enough deal which hiring Hull allowed KU to at least talk to players in Louisiana. Seeing Mike Lee emerge on the scene however is a game changer for KU in Louisiana. Without the success Mike Lee had last year, KU does not land any of the Louisiana recruits that committed yesterday, at least not early like they did. They probably go home and tell their younger teammates about how nice KU is and that keeps the line of communication open with Louisiana prospects for Tony Hull. Lee's success is a game changer because it shows these kids that they can come in and be successful very early on at KU instead of having to sit and wait behind other 4 and 5 star guys at LSU.

If Daylon Charlot comes in and has early success and if Tyriek Starks wins the QB job, the floodgates will be fully open for KU to talk to any recruit in Louisiana they want to and to have a legitimate chance to sign those players as well.

What KU did yesterday in getting commitments from Jason and Harris (3rd and 4th best players in Louisiana with offers from LSU, Alabama, and basically everybody in the SEC) is something that has definitely caught a lot of people off guard including everyone who follows KU football. We knew Hull would allow KU to talk to some players out of Louisiana, but to actually land commitments from players the caliber of Jason and Harris is something I don't even think Tony Hull thought was possible at this stage in the game.

Don't be surprised to see KU land possibly 3, maybe even more recruits out of Louisiana this year. Warren Easton has a couple of 3 star prospects who we know Hull has a relationship with and there's a DE out of Baton Rouge that KU is the favorite to land.

@Texas-Hawk-10 awesome!

@Texas-Hawk-10 Thanks again for keeping tabs on KU football recruiting and posting it. We are very fortunate to have fans who are willing to share their knowledge and research about recruiting for us.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said:

Don't be surprised to see KU land possibly 3, maybe even more recruits out of Louisiana this year. Warren Easton has a couple of 3 star prospects who we know Hull has a relationship with and there's a DE out of Baton Rouge that KU is the favorite to land.

Man...if KU becomes the school for Louisiana talent the sky is the limit.

The importance of making sure these guys stay committed cannot be overstated.

LSU will be calling. Alabama will be calling. The entire SEC will be knocking on the door. KU has to get these guys on campus.

But even more than that, the importance of having these guys verbal to KU is a message to other HS players that what is happening in Lawrence is legit. Guys with actual talent actually want to go to KU. That's significant not only in recruiting in the hotbeds, but also in recruiting talent from the Kansas City area. This says that KU is back in the game.

@justanotherfan All the 4 star guys already have those offers amd still chose KU. Jason and Harris were committed to LSU last summer before decommiting after the coaching change. I'm not too concerned with losing them. Tune is the guy I'm more concerned with because he doesn't have the big offers yet, only interest.

@Texas-Hawk-10

I agree. The only thing that worries me with those Louisiana kids is that staying home and playing for the Tigers is a big thing down there. I think having Hull here makes that less of an issue, but it's still something that means a lot to family, friends, etc.

And it's not like if Alabama calls, those kids won't answer the phone.

@justanotherfan

Alabama gets 4 stars to grayshirt apparently.

Gone crootin

@justanotherfan I agree with you on keeping these kids. Like I stated earlier, now is when we find out about these players just really for sure how strong their bond is with Coach hull. - -I seen it mentioned multiple times, that these players look to Coach Hull as a father figure, how long they had known him.- - This guy is worth a million,Mike Lee is so valuable for us we have an open door to Louisiana right now. We shall see how strong of bond, these guys rally have. - -There is going to be an in-believable amount of pressure put on them from LSU - -Alabama Oklahoma - -all the big boys. - -We have just stepped into unchartered waters for us, we got down off the porch and runnin with the big boys, NOW we have to make sure we keep our big boy pants on and keep these studs sold on our program, we can't let up - -have to keep in constant contact with them.

Just because they gave us hard verbals doesn't mean we can now take the approach and say well we already have them and leave them in silence - -it's right at a year before we can get them aboard on paper - -time to ROCK. - - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark

Love CCR... :smile:

@justanotherfan Here's the thing with Corione Harris and Devonta Jason. They were previously committed to LSU and both decommitted from there. They both already had offers from Alabama so Alabama has already called them. Those two still chose KU after being committed to LSU and having had Alabama offer them. Another huge factor in KU's favor is those two were HS teammates of Mike Lee who helped sell both of them on KU. I'm legitimately not very concerned about KU losing either one of those two players because of that connection.

I don't have time to update at this moment, but KU landed another Louisiana kid today. A 3 star DT so I'll update that later tonight.

@Texas-Hawk-10 This one?

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/226766/nelson-jenkins ↗

@Texas-Hawk-10 he is Nelson Jenkins. out of plaqueminela Louisiana, 6'4 280 lbs defensive tackle.- -was listed as a 100% CB pick. - he had listed LSU< OU & Alabama. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Hasn't even visited LOL this staff is on a roll.

It is Nelson Jenkins I was referring to. I was sitting in line at a drive thru so I didn't have time to post details. Jenkins is the 7th commitment for KU in 2018 so far and the 6th from Louisiana. Jenkins was actually not part of the group that was up for junior days and made his commitment without even taking an unofficial visit to KU. It was all word of mouth with the others who committed and Tony Hull is probably the early favorite to win the Broyles Award this year at this point for the efforts he's putting into cleaning house in Louisiana for the Jayhawks.

This is all phenomenal work from the staff. If their work on the field is half as good as the work on the recruiting trail, we may threaten for a bowl this season.

Okay, deep breath. Don't want to run too far ahead.

This is awesome though, and could lead to some really big things. KU is getting the type of athletes needed to compete with Oklahoma, OSU, Baylor, etc. Granted, they won't have this group on campus for another year, but it is a huge step in the right direction. If Beaty gets to four wins this year, I would be all for giving him a two year extension, as well as making sure that Hull gets paid what is necessary to keep him in crimson and blue.

@justanotherfan Well they did just extend , Beaty's contract not to long ago. Have to agree with you for sure , again just have to say this over and over, the thing will be to keep these kids committed to their verbals- -this is going to be a LONG SUMMER before next signing rolls around. - -we have to go through their Senior football campaigns and these big dogs at going to hit them hard - -hopefully their bond with Hull will with stand the pressure. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jumpin - -gee - -hoosa - -fats - -went back off the Louisiana boards, was watching Williams ( pooka ) he has been timed at a 4.27 forty - -that's fast, and it shows in his highlights - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@justanotherfan Hold on to Hull for dear life. Recruiting another football state besides Texas is hands down one of the most valuable things we have going for us right now.

@Texas-Hawk-10 RB Coach Tony Hull also now Associate HC. HC Beatty says his recruiting prowess speaks for itself. Hope that includes more money as all the titles don't put food on the table.

hmmm, ummmm, - -kind of funny - -just got off a site - -sound like some school to the West down the inner-state getting ready to wet all over themselves. - Can't understand WHY the # 6 WR would ever wanted to come play for a mess like us lol., the another hmmmm, all these recruits all of a sudden want to go to that hole KU calls a stadium their fiacilities - -something fishy going on - -lmao - -can you say PARANOIA gotta love it, you think some one seeing the writing on the wall things about to change - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

K-State lives in a constant delusion. They believe that they are a power program when they have never been, nationally at least, anything more than a conference contender. Outside of the midwest, no one regards KSU as a football school. They aren't seen as any sort of national contender or big time team.

KU has always had two major advantages to KSU in football recruiting.

1) Proximity to Kansas City. Recruits at least know what Kansas City is and are familiar with the Royals, Chiefs, etc. That's much more attractive than KSU or even Mizzou.

2) Nationally recognized athletic program. Yeah, it's basketball, but KU has a national brand that KSU just can't match. You say Wildcats and people think Kentucky or Arizona before they think K-State. Even if you say purple Wildcats, people are just as likely (probably more likely) to say Northwestern as KSU. Because Snyder refused to step up his scheduling until recently, KSU missed the opportunity in the mid to late 90's and early 2000's to get more nationally televised games in the non-con. As a result, even when KSU was really good, they were only on TV outside of Kansas a couple times a year.

Those two factors make a huge difference when you look at the two programs and, as I have said before, if KU can ever right the ship with football consistently, it's likely that K-State's program falls off fairly quickly, especially since Snyder will likely retire if KSU's edge over KU shrinks even a little bit.

The tide hasn't turned yet, but this recruiting class definitely has the wind howling.

@justanotherfan Very very true, My brother and I had fun with some - -ask them if they heard that sound? - -I said I think it was Synder telling them --- ooops time to retire, I think I left the gate open and Bessy got out lmao, - -especially when he heard about Ku's upswing lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Great Move by KU to give Hull a raise and promotion.

LSU fired their RB's coach and this move by KU was very smart to avoid him bolting. Imagine all those Louisiana guys know seeing Hull at LSU..

Props to The KU athletic dept, Props to Coach Beaty - -& props to Coach Hull for being Coach Hull. - -I read that we came within an eyelash of landing another huge recruit out of Louisiana I think his name was Brad Stewart maybe, he said he was real close to signing with JU before he signed with Florida- - I think If I remember right he is a 5 star linebacker. - - Nothing but positive things coming from hiring of coach Hull. -- man wish I could go from 150,000 a year to 400,000 a year would be sweet. - -Hell wish I could make 150,000 a year lol - -ROCK CHALK ALLD AY LONG BABY

This just came across...

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@JayHawkFanToo I love this. It won't last. But a top 25 recruiting class after a 2 win season would be amazing. And really speak to what Beaty is doing.

Recruits have a funny way of know what is bullshit and what isn't. Weiss came in and had more to work with than Beaty did. But somehow Beaty is able to sell some of these guys on the dream. On being apart of something that is going to be bigger than they are. I think we really did find the right guy to lead our program.

@JayHawkFanToo WOAAAAAA, how did we move up my friend, we haven't added anymore after bing rank 9th - -whaaa happened lol. -- Like said it won't stay that way & you know I would be perfectly happy right now if we finished anywhere from 10-20 in the Nation, would still kick any other recruiting class I can remember for anytime, would kick any other right square in the butt, we say it won't last BUT wouldn't it be AWSOME and also funny as hel for other schools if we could keep that. Just think we add any other top recruits, might have a shot of staying maybe in the top 10 - -that would be AWSOME - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Kcmatt7 hey my friend, not sure whz up I look here at your 247 team rankings and YES they show us at # 6 in the nation - But the chart here on commits shows us with 7 commits, but I just looked of 247 and the charts shows us with 8 - -so did we just pick up another commit? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

HEY hell ya - - just answered my own question. - -We picked up our EIGHT recuit. - - his name is Cortez Crook Jones - -a THREE star Defensive End out of Grand view Missouri 6'4 230, so maybe that's why we moved up. - -this has me so jacked - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@JayHawkFanToo Rivals now has us rated as the FIFTH best recruiting calls and 247 has us SIXTH this is absolutely nuts and I'm loving it - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

As @Kcmatt7 mentioned it is still early and once the big boys get done KU will probably drop some or a lot. Most programs will typically pick between 20 and 30 players per class so we are one third into the recruitment, it so happens that KU picked up some quality players early. When it is all done, I would be delighted if we are in the top 25.

@JayHawkFanToo YA and I have no doubt we are going to lose some for sure, I mean that's just being realistic - -BUT if we can hold fort not let it get out of control. - -Just really fired up, hard not too lol. we going to lose some, but like you say we going to add some and unless we have a 90-100 % de-commit I can't imagine the bottom dropping out & like you say even if we end up having a top 25 class - -when is the last time we seen that? - -We go out and produce with that top 25 class, then things can only get better I feel -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 said:

HEY hell ya - - just answered my own question. - -We picked up our EIGHT recuit. - - his name is Cortez Crook Jones - -a THREE star Defensive End out of Grand view Missouri 6'4 230, so maybe that's why we moved up. - -this has me so jacked - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Jumping Jehoshaphat this staff is on a roll.

@BShark LMAO, exactly, you got it down lol. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

I think KU recruits are solid and I don't believe we will lose any; however KU needs to pick up st least 15-20 additional players to complete the class. If KU can pick up more recruits that are at least 3 star then it should be a great class but that is a tall order. I imagine KU will pick up an assortment of players ranging from 3 star to non ranked. Regardless, this has the look of a solid recruiting class and a big step in the right direction for the program.

The only commit I have any concerns about flipping between now and December or February (there's a new rule proposal that could allow all kids to sign in December) is QB Clayton Tune. I'm not concerned about any of the Louisiana kids flipping unless Hull gets a HC offer somewhere. Tune however did not have any other offers yet, but was drawing interest from UT, TAMU, and OU who could be possibilities to flip Tune if the decide to offer him.

Well was checking the various sites before I retire and found out 247 sports has now moved us up to the # FOUR ranked recruiting class in the Nation -- Sounds good, time will tell how it all turns out. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

While KU recruiting successes are being discussed nationally, I hope our staff is actively pursuing other highly ranked recruits who formerly were considered outside our scope of commitment. Right now is the time to land more top recruits for key positions. As our recruiting wave continues to rise, other recruits are aware of the groundswell of success and will be ready to join. I look for the KU staff to continue to land big names, perhaps even to add to the 2017 class.

Crook Jones is in some ways just as big a recruiting coup as the Louisiana kids. KU has to recruit the Kansas City area to be successful. They obviously have to also do well in other areas, but they must do well in KC to succeed because that is their "home" recruiting base, along with Wichita.

The 2017 class had a couple kids from Wichita, but KU was basically shut out in the KC area. They don't have any Wichita kids yet in this class, but they have landed a KC kid now. It's important to keep KC and Wichita locked down because that is how KU will continue to grow as a program, locking down the home base, and doing well in Texas/Louisiana.

Crook Jones is also pretty athletic. He's a pretty solid basketball player as well as (obviously) excelling on the football field. I always like seeing really athletic guys because that suggests an ability to adapt because they have more physical skills to draw on (good hands, coordination, quickness, explosive leaping, etc).

Just have to kind of smile, while I'm kicked back reading over the thread today. - Kind of thinking to myself and saying - - When was the LAST time a KU thread concerning our FOOTBALL program, gotten this much hype - -attention? - - Kind of makes me tingly inside all warm and fuzzy, almost like the last time I got a extra large hot fudge sundae lol, - -you gotta love it - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KU pipeline to Louisiana. Note in the story that 5 star DB Kelvin Joseph, previous LSU commit has announced plans to visit KU.

http://www.fanragsports.com/cfb/keep-an-eye-on-kansas-football-pipeline-to-louisiana/ ↗

@brooksmd We think basketball recruiting is rough. I couldn't imagine all the flip flopping and crap you have to deal with recruiting when you are trying to land 25+ guys every year...

@Kcmatt7 Agreed. I think we'll be able to hold on to most if not all. These kids could get something at KU they probably wouldn't get elsewhere for 2-3 years and that's pt if they work for it. And the more that commit the more they will look around at the talent and see that they can make something happen at KU. Besides, you know how hot and miserable it is down here for spring and summer practice? Hopefully those holding the purse strings aren't expecting immediate results and will see the value in keeping the coaching staff happy.

@brooksmd WOW are you serious? - -man I gotta contain my giddieness, ya I know just visit -see I can't even spell the word lol,- - -Man I mean 5 star? - -when have we had a 5 star I'm sure we have but still pretty rare, would be really sweet, stop, stop I'm getting all my horses in front of the cart, I feel like a little kid in a candy store lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Texas-Hawk-10 This is a complete hint at what Beaty wants to do, compared to what Snyder has proven over time to be unable to do. (3 and 4star SEC-territory kids?)

Jimmies and the Joes, who can actually execute the X's and O's.

We have some TonyHull "currency" right now, as well as some "just beat TX" currency to spend right now, and Beaty is...

Did a little further background on this Kelvin Joseph, they show him like it said as a LSU commit. - - 247 sports has him as the # 35 ranked player in the Nation - -DB - -and I think 7th best DB , Rivals has him listed as the # 28th best player and the 5th best DB - -five star, Also on Rivals, their pod cast talks about KU's fast start.

Talks about even if they don't keep these kids - it's still a positive sign for KU and this is a very noteable improvement for KU. - -They also talk about KU going with young coaches and they think how that is a positive sign that more schools need to go this route, you get some time check it out, their podcast is by Rob Cassidy & Nick Krueger - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@ralster hearing rumors that Snyder has some health problems?🤔

KU's recruiting classes are currently rated 4th on 247 and 5th on Rivals. http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/2/5/14514510/kansas-4-stars-alabama-recruiting-rankings-2018 ↗

Realistically, what's going on right now with the early rankings is awesome and bringing positive publicity to KU football right now which will only help, but I hope everyone realizes that KU football is not going to finish with a top 5 or top 10 recruiting class this year in football. Best case scenario is that KU ends up top 25, but that's probably only if KU can flip Kelvin Joseph. Realistically, KU probably ends up with a class in the 30's which is still a huge step in the right direction for KU.

I agree, we will not keep all these guys. Like they say though, the more Louisiana commits we get, the stronger the bond becomes and this group become more determined to make a statement, showing THEY are a big reason that helped turn this program around, plus a lot of these guys realize that they have a very legit chance of steeping on the fiend and contributing immediately, where as the go to the other Big time schools a lot of times they are going to have to wait their turn, and a lot of these guys would love immediate PT. We can thank Lee for this, he shows you have a chance for that here.

Even with us losing some on the other hand we still be gonna getting some others, I really feel unless we lose a big chunk of these more legit chance to finish in the top 20-25 worst case scenario, don't feel as of this point that we wil fall into the 30''s again unless we lose a large portion -and I just don't think that's gonna happen - - -ROCKCHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 Unless KU adds a few more 4 star players, they're not finishing with a top 25 class. We have three 4 star kids signed right now, last year the highest rated class with only three 4 star kids was Colorado with the 32nd ranked class and they had two 4 star kids. KU needs to get to five or six 4 star kids to have a realistic shot at a top 25 class. KU's current class is shaping up to be similar in rankings to the 2009 class that was 33rd and had four 4 star kids in it.

This is a good class, and even if KU keeps everyone already committed, it's not likely going to finish as a top 25 class without a few more 4 star kids in it.

There's 3 guys KU can land that would give KU a realistic shot at a top 25 class, but if KU doesn't land at least 2 of them, the odds of a top 25 class are very slim. KU needs to flip CB Kelvin Joseph, needs to add WR Lawrence Keys out of New Orleans, and needs to land KC area kid Mario Goodrich. Those are the 3 most likely 4 star kids out there KU can land, but without at least 2 of them, KU will not have a top 25 class this year.

We also know KU will probably be adding some local 2 star kids in this class which will drag the rankings down because KS kids are rarely regarded very highly in recruiting so balancing out the 4 and 2 star kids will be key to keeping the ranking as high as possible.

I'm overly happy with what we got - -well be just fine - -we'll have a much higher ranked class then we have had since the stone age, top twenty - -top thirthy I'm not gonna complain , the league has been put on notice - as the said on the Rivals Pod Cast whether KU keeps these guys or not -- very notable improvement said they don't see how there could be ANYTHING but positive come out of this class - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

What? It's Sunday morning and I haven't seen a report of a new 4 star recruit announcing for KU. Did our coaches take the weekend off? If they did, it's well deserved. Keep up the good work fellas.

Just lost a 3 star commit from the other day.

@Kcmatt7 who was it? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

JaMarr chase

@Crimsonorblue22 and so it begins, he was a huge get for us - -dam. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Crimsonorblue22 Chase was a 4 star. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Come back home to KU JarMarr. No finer love than the appreciation you will get on Mt. Oread.

KU landed a recruit from the spring game this weekend. WR, Tevailance Hunt from Texarkana, TX. Hunt is a 3 star WR who had offers from ISU and a bunch of C-USA and Sun Belt schools with some other random programs thrown in from non P5 leagues.

HEY, we got our 1st in state recruit last night. Mac Copeland a 6ft 5 OL out of Wichita. - -Played for Wichita Collegiate. - -Both his older brothers played for that OTHER SCHOOL down inner state the one still in school is a linebacker I think they said. - -Rivals as of today still has us as the 14th best recruiting class in the Nation & 247 sports has us as 15th.

On another note has anyone heard anymore? -- They are talking about players being able to sign in December now trying to be a new rule implemented. That would be good instead of having to wait till what Feb. ? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I read that a redshirt safety has left KU program. He wants to become a RB and will be looking at a program where he can get this opportunity. I am not sure if this departure will have any impact on the program.

@AsadZ Thanks for the update. I always look for KU football news, but it's hard to find this time of year.

@AsadZ He is from Lawrence - I think Free State, not a major loss, they had been trying him out a safety - -But in his heart he just wanted to play a different role he was looking more for a RB position. - -Said he appreciated Coach Beaty -But just didn't work out. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@AsadZ @jayballer54 Yes he was from free state in Lawrence. He red shirted as a freshman last year, playing safety. I think he realized he wasn't going to play at a D1 school. No hating here friends lets wish one of our home grown the best.

@kjayhawks Na as far as me - - I know I'm not hating, kind of like what you said, realized he just wasn't going to play D-1 hope nothing but the best where ever he lands. Best of luck to him. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Bowen landed a stud DE apparently...

Miles Emery - #2 player in the state out of Overland Park.

@Kcmatt7 Ya Scout has him as the top Defensive in the State of Kansas, offers from KU, I owa St Oklahoma, Louisville, Texas Nebraska, Texas had showed interest but hadn't offered , - -UCF nice catch this is what we need - -start landing even more of OUR OWN top prospects, -have to lie the way things are going with the program - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Emery out of Blue Valley North- -# 40 position rank & # 1 Defensive end in the State of Kansas. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Well with the verbal from Emery I just saw we jumped back up in the National Rankings off 247 sports - -we went from # 32 in the Nation, jumped back up to # 26 in the National, - -Rivals has us as the # 19 class in the Nation. Ya I know still verbals but STILL got to like how the staff is working their tails off to get this thing turned around. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Texas-Hawk-10 Awesome rundown on the Louisiana guys, thank you! There isnt this type of excitement or recruiting going on at Purple, is there? Snyder doesnt have an audience with LSU/Bama/SEC type recruits, does he?

If Beaty's shrewdness with his asst coaching hires carries over into his playcalling, this whole enchilada just started to grow some wheels...the jimmys and joes to run those x's and o's, so they say.

@JhwkrRedLegs Well at the present we ( KU ) according to Rivals we have the 20th ranked class in the Nation. - -247 sports has us 26th. Main while back at the Purple ranch of doo doo -247 has K- Straight ranked at # 82 in the Nation. - - Can we get a EMAW right about now? - - lmao - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Will we keep Clayton Tune? Is he likely to be the answer to our QB woes? I watched highlights of his junior year play and thought he looked good. He passes and rushes as part of the team's offense. His willingness to run reminds me of Carter Stanley. As always, I still worry that we don't have a high enough level of athlete at QB to advance the program. Coach Beatty is certainly getting the other pieces, but QB?

Well read today that Coach has gotten 3 more verbals. All defensive line players. - 2 Juco's and one high School

Josh Smith 6'4 - -247 lbs DL out of the same High School as Devonta - -and Coraine - - comes from Landry Walker. - -Three star offers from Houston, Iowa State and others

Then 2 juco players - -same juco: Jonathan Lolohea , and Charles Cameron. - - - Lolohea is 6'3 - -305 DL - -offers from Arizona , Colorado , KSU , Louisville , TCU and others

Cameron is 6'3- - -290 DL had offers from Colorado , Louisville and others

Rivals as of yesterday now has us as the # 12 team ranking and - -247 has us as the # 20 - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer54 said:

Well read today that Coach has gotten 3 more verbals. All defensive line players. - 2 Juco's and one high School

Josh Smith 6'4 - -247 lbs DL out of the same High School as Devonta - -and Coraine - - comes from Landry Walker. - -Three star offers from Houston, Iowa State and others

Then 2 juco players - -same juco: Jonathan Lolohea , and Charles Cameron. - - - Lolohea is 6'3 - -305 DL - -offers from Arizona , Colorado , KSU , Louisville , TCU and others

Cameron is 6'3- - -290 DL had offers from Colorado , Louisville and others

Rivals as of yesterday now has us as the # 12 team ranking and - -247 has us as the # 20 - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Imagine if we won a few games this season...

@stoptheflop Well at least Tom Keegan responds to my questions over on KUSports.

@stoptheflop What did he say?

I personally don't think QB is that important in CFB. Not like the NFL at least. Schemes can make poor QBs look good. See every Big XII QB for the past at least 10 seasons. Get a guy with a big arm on campus and then let him throw to some big athletes on the outside.

You win CFB by putting athletes on the field at every other position and simply finding a QB capable of getting them the ball. Looks to me like KU is on the right path to have a good scheme and good athletes all over the field. I don't think we are a 5 win team until next season, but it could arrive early. Depends on if the defense is as good as last year or not. Our offense will take another step forward this year. Would be hard for it not to. But it still won't be able to outscore another team unless our defense is nasty. Bender is only a factor because he might be able to throw the ball further down the field. He could let our play makers actually make plays.

@Kcmatt7 Keegan just mentioned that Tune is a dual threat and is also part of the 2018 recruiting class. Our QB play must limit the turnovers and keep the ball in the hands of the offense. We just have too many short offensive possessions and I don't think the offensive line has been the main problem. It says a lot that both our starters from the beginning of last season have now transferred.

@Kcmatt7 QB's are huge in the success if CFB programs that aren't loaded with NFL talent at every position like Alabama. Baylor is the perfect example of this when they had RG3. The year he won the Heisman, I believe Baylor finished the year 8-5. Without RG3, that Baylor team finishes at or near the bottom of the Big 12.

Another reason a QB makes a difference is that one that can run forces defenses to spy him which takes away someone covering the receivers and creates more man coverage opportunities for the WR's. If the QB doesn't have great scrambling abilities, then a huge arm can force the safeties to play off the line much more frequently and open up the running game and short passing game more.

KU's QB issues of not having a good runner or someone who can throw a good deep ball has meant that opposing defenses could line up all 11 guys within 8 or so yards of the line and defend the running game and short passing game without worrying much about getting burned deep.

What KU has on offense this year is a QB who appears capable of throwing a good deep ball and forcing defenses to respect KU's deep game. This will open up the bubble and tunnel screens that we saw so much last year run with minimal success be more successful because now there's the threat that one of the Big 3 receivers can run a deep route with this combo and kill the defense.

KU has been a very good running team the past several years until last year, but couldn't score worth a damn because we had no QB to get the ball to receivers with any consistency. Part of that was the OLine with Crist and Heaps, but Cozart and Willis just had no accuracy and Stanley lacks the arm strength to hit deep throws.

QB is by far the most important position at any level. They can help make up for other deficiencies. Great oline and QB and well, your RB and WRs almost don't even matter.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@Kcmatt7 QB's are huge in the success if CFB programs that aren't loaded with NFL talent at every position like Alabama. Baylor is the perfect example of this when they had RG3. The year he won the Heisman, I believe Baylor finished the year 8-5. Without RG3, that Baylor team finishes at or near the bottom of the Big 12.

Another reason a QB makes a difference is that one that can run forces defenses to spy him which takes away someone covering the receivers and creates more man coverage opportunities for the WR's. If the QB doesn't have great scrambling abilities, then a huge arm can force the safeties to play off the line much more frequently and open up the running game and short passing game more.

KU's QB issues of not having a good runner or someone who can throw a good deep ball has meant that opposing defenses could line up all 11 guys within 8 or so yards of the line and defend the running game and short passing game without worrying much about getting burned deep.

What KU has on offense this year is a QB who appears capable of throwing a good deep ball and forcing defenses to respect KU's deep game. This will open up the bubble and tunnel screens that we saw so much last year run with minimal success be more successful because now there's the threat that one of the Big 3 receivers can run a deep route with this combo and kill the defense.

KU has been a very good running team the past several years until last year, but couldn't score worth a damn because we had no QB to get the ball to receivers with any consistency. Part of that was the OLine with Crist and Heaps, but Cozart and Willis just had no accuracy and Stanley lacks the arm strength to hit deep throws.

They went 10-3 in RG3's Senior Heisman campaign. And followed that up with an 8-5 record with Nick Florence. And followed that up with an 11-2 record with Petty.

3 QB's no losing seasons.

I have coached football at the High School level. And I would rather have a very average QB and 10 other studs than I would 1 freak QB and 10 other average guys. A QB with an arm stretches the field. But nothing stretches the field like a WR you have to double-team. Nothing opens up the deep ball like an O-Line and RB that are gashing a team for 10 yards at a time. Your QB needs to have general football IQ and a D1 arm. You surround that with talent and you win games. Consistently. Look at KSU, who I would rather look at as the model of consistency and how to win games in the Big XII while not being in Texas. We can be KSU with more talented players. A better KSU. But it starts with getting talent at other spots.

Just ask Dane Christ and Jake Heaps about what they were surrounded by. No stretching the field without a receiver who can outrun a defense. No matter how big of an arm your QB has.

@Kcmatt7 KU's not getting 10 studs on offense other than the QB, that's a reality. When KSU is contending in the Big 12, it's the years they have a great QB like Colin Klein, Ell Roberson, or Michael Bishop. The years MAY doesn't have great QB play, they struggle quite a bit.

It's much easier to find one great athlete, stick him under center, and teach him how to read defenses at the college level than to have 10 great players and an average QB.

What turned Baylor and OSU into top tier Big 12 programs? It wasn't 10 great players and average QB play, it a was a great QB surrounded by average to slightly above average players and the supporting cast improved from there.

You coach HS football, great. Go look at a lot of non football factories at that level and notice who the QB is. It's almost always the best athlete on the team because that gives that team the best chance to win the most games possible.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Until I see an Air Raid QB have a successful NFL career, there is no way I can agree with your premise. All you need is a guy who can sling it 50 yards down the field. Baylor, OSU, TCU and TTU are proof. Let's not pretend Briles landed 3 amazing QBs in a row. That TTU is some place of QB prodigy. Or that OSU has done anything special with a QB. Where are any of those QBs now? Not one of those guys has had a successful pro career. Why? Because they can't even read a defense. It is all scheming to get guys open and the QB just has to key off of one guy. It is why they run the no huddle. It allows the coaches to read the defense so the QB doesn't have to. Now, how many of those receivers have had successful NFL careers for those same teams in that same time span ? Tons. Tons of Big XII receivers have had solid pro careers. Ifso facto, not the QB that is winning these games. It is all scheme and talent on the outside.

And yes, non football factories put their best player at QB. And very rarely are those the best teams that year. It is a last resort strategy. To take a player out of what would be his best position and put him at QB because you don't have anyone who could get that guy the ball is a last resort strategy. I have had to coach teams like that too. And I can tell you that it isn't an option at the College Level if you are trying to build a competitive program. If you end up with a guy who is an athlete and plays QB, fine. That is a bonus. But you don't make that priority #1. Priority #1 is finding a guy who can simply get your best athletes the ball anywhere on the field.

Rarely is the QB the actual problem, unless it is the fact that the QB can't throw a football. If an offense is struggling, it is typically because the coaches' play calling or the defense is more athletic than your offensive players. If you continue the full-court press on recruiting like we have been, and build up depth, we will be able to have 7 or 8 studs on the field at a time. Enough to overcome and QB deficiency. It is easy to say Reesing was a great QB when he was throwing to 4 guys who ended up making NFL rosters.

Problem for KU is that they just don't have a D1 caliber QB at the moment or the athletes to even make a D1 QB look good when we do get one. You can say, put an athlete at QB in the short-term. Just like we are some shitty high school football team. But at some point, if you are looking to build a program capable of going on BCS Bowl Runs, you have to stack your team with talent. That 07 team had 9 pros on it. And Todd Reesing wasn't one of them. We can get that level of talent to KU in those numbers. Maybe not every season like Bama. But we can align the stars once every 3 or 4 years like KState does.

@Kcmatt7 Newsflash: College football is not the NFL and it takes different skill sets to be successful at each level. Look at Russell Wilson, he wasn't even good enough to win the starting job at NC State and yet he was good enough to win a Super Bowl.

Therefore, I DON'T CARE IF A KU QUARTERBACK IS SUCCESSFUL IN THE NFL. I care that a KU QB is successful at KU. KU will never be able to have the kind of talent to operate in manner you wish. You can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up first. KU has to find ways to win just like Baylor and OSU have and that's through finding great college QB's even if they don't have an NFL future.

You mentioned KU ended up with 9 players drafted off the Orange Bowl team in the years after the Orange Bowl. Consider that Alabama just had 10 players drafted in the 2017 NFL draft alone and still couldn't win a national title. They still got beat by the Air Raid and QB who could run. Do you Clemson fans care more about Watson being successful with the Texans or that he won a national title at Clemson? Do Kansas fans largely care that Todd Reesing never got a shot at the NFL? Hell no, we care that he won the Orange Bowl.

Do you know why so many programs run some kind of variation of the spread offense? It's because it exploits the fact that teams don't have NFL talent all over the field and we're even seeing those principles work their way to the NFL because of its ability create 1 on 1 match ups and spread the defenders out as much as possible. Throw in a mobile QB that probably doesn't have an NFL future, and you force defenses to spy the QB taking away another person to cover the receivers. This is why RG3, Tim Tebow, Johnny Manziel, and those types were so successful in college. They had big enough arms to stretch the field, but they were also mobile enough to force defenses to keep spying them which created more 1 on 1 match ups.

This what David Beaty is trying to build to because he knows KU is never going to outrecruit Texas or Oklahoma or ever have the talent that Alabama, FSU, USC, and those types of programs will always have. He has to exploit match ups and you do that by having a great college QB.

So please stop trying pretend that KU can be successful in college football by trying to build an NFL style roster because it's never going to happen. KU is going to be successful in college football by building a college style roster because a college style roster will be successful at college football.

@Texas-Hawk-10 You clearly don't know the Russell Wilson story very well. Stud in College. Every season. Coach got pissed he was committing too much time to baseball and decided to moved on.

And, again, my point is that KU DOES NOT NEED A STUD NFL QB. How you got anything but that from any of my posts I'm not sure.

Do YOU know why so many teams run spread offenses? It's because it forces the D into M2M, puts smaller defenders on the field and because they have talent on the outside to exploit 1v1 matchups. And because QBs can't throw guys open at the college level. NFL QBs can barely throw guys open. Coaches want easy reads and schemes so that they can take as much away from the QB and control as much as possible. QB in an up tempo spread offense makes hardly any decisions. So a "great college QB" is really someone who can throw an accurate ball 40 yards down the field. That's it.

I'm not saying KU needs to recruit with UT, OU etc. I don't even think we can recruit with TTU, OSU or Baylor. That is why I said we should look at KSU as an example... Young Bill Snyder built up depth, let the cream rise to the top, and had a decade of great football. And then since Snyder has been back, he has had another solid run. 15 of his 25 seasons have been 8 wins or more. 20 of 25 seasons he has been bowl eligible. Absurd.

QBs with 8+ wins under Snyder:

• Chad May
• Matt Miller
• Bryan Kavanagh
• Michael Bishop
• Johnathan Beasley
• Ell Robinson
• Colin Klein
• Jake Waters
• Jesse Ertz

Is he some friggen QB guru? Or is it that these are the WRs those QBs threw to:

• Kevin Lockett
• Andre Coleman
• Darnell McDonald
• Justin Swift
• Quincy Morgan
• Rod Cartwright
• Taco Wallace
• Darren Sproles
• Chris Harper
• Tyler Lockett

If you count, that is 11 receivers in the league during those same seasons... Find a guy to get your talent the ball, absolutely. But it is that talent wins games. We can recruit better than KSU. But we have to learn how to build the same depth and culture that allows KSU to compete with better teams. (Typically it hasn't been with a mobile QB. Bishop and Klein you remember because they were heisman candidates. Other guys won just as many games).

A more talented KSU is a very scary program. A less talented OSU or Baylor isn't.

@Kcmatt7 @Texas-Hawk-10 ah yes a football debate. I love it!!

@Kcmatt7 Snyder has averaged 8 wins a year over his 25 years. 8 wins is the average so using that as the standard isn't a great way measure who's been great since 8 wins is an average season. 10+ wins is a better measure for who's been great for Snyder.

Colin Klein is the only KSU QB to win 10+ games in a season (2×) since Snyder returned in 2009. Klein and Roberson are the only 2 QB's to win conference titles in Snyder's 25 years. Those guys didn't have any better of a supporting cast than other QB's, they were just better QB's than the rest.

All I know is KU has sucked since they last had a good qb in Todd Reising. Seems pretty important.

@Texas-Hawk-10 8 wins is not average in the country. So, sure it is a great way to measure it. Bill Snyder, through depth and talent, can win 8 games with anybody behind the center. Something I, as KU fan, would be ecstatic about. And would hope that is what we try to build. Instead of being a crappy version of OSU or Baylor or TCU or Tech.

But to your point, really? Darren Sproles isn't a supporting cast? 2200 All purpose yards (#1 in the Country that year) to go with 18 touchdowns and 5th in the Heisman vote. What a shit supporting cast. I mean, Roberson literally had to put that entire team on his back.

Klein, had no support either? Just two NFL receivers to pick up his noodle arm that could barely throw the ball 30 yards down field and a running back who put up 1000 yards from scrimmage at 5 yards a carry and ran for 15 TDs. Can you believe that shit? Klein took them all the way by himself. I'm confident I watched several plays they only had 5 linemen and him out there and he completed passes to himself.

@Kcmatt7 Did I say 8 wins was average for every coach? No, I didn't, I said 8 wins was average for Snyder because 202 wins over 25 seasons is 8.02 wins per season. David Beaty's average would be 1 win per season at this point. Funny how math works isn't it.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I was stating a fact, not correcting you.

8 wins is not the average in the country. So if we can build a program that consistently gets 8 wins with a crappy QB, I think you prove my point.

Anyways, I doubt we end up agreeing, I'd rather agree to disagree at this point. Just remember the next time you think KU has a "Gret College QB," check to see who he is throwing the ball to. Makes all the difference in the world.

@dylans Todd Reesing also had a 5-7 season his senior year to go with his 8-5 Junior season. The team progressively got worse, despite the QB.

That 2009 (Senior season) team started 5-0, and finished 0-7. Reesing threw only 13 TD to his 8 INTs in Conference play. If you take you the ISU game which was part of that 5-0 start, he threw 9 TDs and 7 INTs in the last 7 games.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Kcmatt7 said:

@dylans Todd Reesing also had a 5-7 season his senior year to go with his 8-5 Junior season. The team progressively got worse, despite the QB.

That 2009 (Senior season) team started 5-0, and finished 0-7. Reesing threw only 13 TD to his 8 INTs in Conference play. If you take you the ISU game which was part of that 5-0 start, he threw 9 TDs and 7 INTs in the last 7 games.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Nevermind that 0-7 coincided with Reesing injuring his groin combined with the team quitting on Mangino that year after the Arist Wright incident.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Excuses... They were on a downhill trajectory from 2007 already. We got curb stomped 4 of those 7 games.

@Kcmatt7 Teams that quit on coaches tend to lose pretty badly.

@Texas-Hawk-10 so do teams without solid depth at positions besides QB. 2009 we relied on Meier and Briscoe too much. 2007 we had 7 receivers catch 20+ balls. And Aquib Talib who caught 8 passes for 4 TDs at an explosive 23 yards per reception.

2009 we had only 5 guys with 20+ catches and only 2 of them averaged over 10 yards per reception. Compared to 2007 where we had 5 guys average over 10 yards per reception.

Teams don't quit when they are winning games. A 5-0 team doesn't quit. I don't care if a coach chews a player out and pokes him in the chest. That team doesn't quit on the field.

Added 3 D-linemen this week, 2 x 3stars, 1 2 star. 2 of them are juco.

What I like is 1 5star WR, 2 4star WRs, a 4star RB, a 3-4star dual threat TX QB on the roster. Not sure if aTm's Quiv Gonzalez was a 4 or 5 star, so I counted him as a 4.

KU currently with the 12th ranked football recruiting class... (may change, of course).

@JhwkrRedLegs

Other than the two recycled QBs during Weiss tenure, I believe the only recruited 5 star player was Talib? Looks like this might be the best class ever at KU???

Kcmatt7 said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Excuses... They were on a downhill trajectory from 2007 already. We got curb stomped 4 of those 7 games.

I think that highlights just how important "Sparky" was for KU. He was fine and the 'Hawks were 5-0. Reising gets hurt and KU loses their quarterback and 7 in a row. --- I know Todd played those games he just was average to below average as a qb while playing injured. Not the good QB he was while healthy.

@JayHawkFanToo I believe Talib was an over achieving 3 star.

@JayHawkFanToo I think that Gill landed a couple of 5 running backs if I'm not mistaken. But maybe they were just 4

@Kcmatt7 @dylans

I seem to remember that when Christ and Heaps came to KU there was a thread on the subject and the consensus was that there had been only one 5 star rated player previously or at least in the last 20 years or so; for some reason I thought it was Talib or maybe Anthony Collins? Turner Gill recruited decent players but I don't believe he had any 5 star rated players.

@JayHawkFanToo I thought Christ and Heaps were the first 2 5star players for ku. I'm not 100% sure,, but it seems that Beaty/Hull have KU on an upswing.

@dylans

No doubt the incoming class looks impressive. Two or three more like it and KU could be contending in the conference.

@Kcmatt7 @Texas-Hawk-10 One other thing to think about is the 08 and 09 teams had lost the majority of that 07 defense and were flat out terrible by all accounts. I think only TGs defense of 2011 was worse. I could see there was something wrong with Ressing early in the Colorado game, a game we win with an average defense as well as the Fizzou game and KSU is a win with a healthy Ressing. The Wright kid along with sweet Lou (perkins) are two of the most hated people bye most KU fans I know. Still cracks me up a 6'3 200 and some odd pound athlete was hurt because MM poked him SMH what a pansy, he wouldn't of made it thru middle school where i grew up.

@kjayhawks Just stop. If you seriously think that one poke is what ruined Mangino, I've got some ocean front property in Kansas to sell you. That was the culmination of many incidents over a long period of time.

Mangino was well known around Lawrence to be extremely verbally abusive to his players and others around Lawrence including parking officials, HS refs, and others.

I know what the atmosphere of that was because that was my senior year at KU and I was and still am in regular contact with players on that team. If Arist Wright was such a pansy, why did the locker room side with Wright and not Mangino? Very telling about everyone's opinion of Mangino when the players are not publicly defending Mangino to the media.

Well while we have another commit, we also have another - - - - -De-Commit

Nick Williams a 6'8 - - - 260 lb OL out of St Louis committed yesterday, a 3 Star, that was ranked 13th out of Missouri. - -Had offers from KSU- - -Minnesota, Purdue , Illinois and others. - -Not bad. - -Thing is 6'8 - -and 260? - - seems a little lean for his height doesn't it? - - Maybe not.

BUT on the other end, feeling kind of down, kind of depressed. - - I mean we all knew this could happen, just hope we can cut it off at the head before it becomes a runaway freight train.

Aaron Brule the safety from Louisiana de-committed a 3 star. - -My fear is when there is de-committements from there that slows our momentum we had with the other kids from La. - -Hopefully we can hang on to the other 3 that came from there this year - - going to be really hard especially when the high school season starts.

With the announcement from Zenger yesterday about a 300 million dollar renovation should really help in the recruiting, 300 million can make a lot of difference in the stadium and recruiting purposes. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer54 said:

Well while we have another commit, we also have another - - - - -De-Commit

Nick Williams a 6'8 - - - 260 lb OL out of St Louis committed yesterday, a 3 Star, that was ranked 13th out of Missouri. - -Had offers from KSU- - -Minnesota, Purdue , Illinois and others. - -Not bad. - -Thing is 6'8 - -and 260? - - seems a little lean for his height doesn't it? - - Maybe not.

BUT on the other end, feeling kind of down, kind of depressed. - - I mean we all knew this could happen, just hope we can cut it off at the head before it becomes a runaway freight train.

Aaron Brule the safety from Louisiana de-committed a 3 star. - -My fear is when there is de-committements from there that slows our momentum we had with the other kids from La. - -Hopefully we can hang on to the other 3 that came from there this year - - going to be really hard especially when the high school season starts.

With the announcement from Zenger yesterday about a 300 million dollar renovation should really help in the recruiting, 300 million can make a lot of difference in the stadium and recruiting purposes. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Gotta win games. We win games the Louisiana kids will come. People are in their ears about KU sucking. Can't make that a reality. Have to give them some hope this year.

Also, 260 in HS is massive. Odds are he will redshirt that first year anyways and put 30-40 LBS on.

@jayballer54

-Thing is 6’8 - -and 260? - - seems a little lean for his height doesn’t it? - - Maybe not.

A player with those numbers is a well proportioned and solidly built athlete and not a slow, overweight player like many linemen are.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I'll agree that MM was hard on his players and held them accountable for there actions. I have two friends that played on that team one as a walk on and one as a starter both from the same HS that said their HS coach was meaner than MM. They told me MM was an asshole but never did anything that bothered them, Perkins on the other hand they hate and claim is a snake that split up the team bye telling guys that ever got yelled at were being mistreated, said Perkins had meetings almost daily with players trying to dig up crap on MM. MM was fired because he had dirt on sweet Lew Perkins, the guy famous for ruining 2 university football programs in Kansas. But he is long gone and it don't matter now i guess.

Add Elmore Hempstead, juco corner to the list.

Not trying to be "that guy", but honestly, who in their right mind would want to play football at Kansas? Big fish in little pond syndrome? I just don't get it. Now if we ever get a real coach - maybe.

@nuleafjhawk We need to pay more attention to recruits' social media links. Then offer all their friends and girlfriends academic scholarships.

The wheels have pretty much fell off of what once was s solid class, who knew a third year coach not winning against s single FBS team would do that. Smh why is Beaty still here.

kjayhawks said:

The wheels have pretty much fell off of what once was s solid class, who knew a third year coach not winning against s single FBS team would do that. Smh why is Beaty still here.

maybe time to shut it down , were losing money big time - take a reprive -try and come back - hell I am so frustrated even me one of the most loyal to Beaty is ready to say - - - screw it - this program is complete scambles. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@kjayhawks Beaty is still here because no other coach in America will take the job except me - and Zenger won't hire me. And I'd dang near work for free.

@jayballer54

The football program generates considerably more revenue than the basketball program; does not seem logical but it is true.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@jayballer54

The football program generates considerably more revenue than the basketball program; does not seem logical but it is true.

TRUE I hear you, but I'm not sure that in the current state that OUR football program is in as of right now if that's truly the case in our situation at the present or not. - -Lots of empty seats. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54

It is not the gate receipts that generate income, it is the Conference TV contract ...and other teams going to bowls. The football team could play in an empty stadium and still generate bigger revenue than the basketball program.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@jayballer54

It is not the gate receipts that generate income, it is the Conference TV contract ...and other teams going to bowls. The football team could play in an empty stadium and still generate bigger revenue than the basketball program.
Oh ok -- -my bad - -I should of known that - -cause it's the same way in Basketball with how teams do in the tourney I think too right and TV appearances? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@nuleafjhawk Doren at NC state wanted the job a few years back. Here’s the deal with finding a coach, if you pay high enough someone will come end of story.

@kjayhawks

They better be willing to pay a lot of money because coaching at KU seems to be a good way to end your career...in 2 or 3 years, although they send you away with a nice retirement package.

@kjayhawks
Doran wouldn't my personal dream coach, but when you say if you pay them enough they will come, I have to vehemently disagree. Nick Saban, Urban Meyer - guys like that wouldn't come to KU if you paid them a billion dollars a month. No frickin way a real coach comes to KU. The only chance we have is to stumble on a good coach like K-State did.

@nuleafjhawk Strangely Harbaugh did flirt with KU. His wife’s family is from KC. Not that it’s likely, but never say never! There is that .000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance that KU will land a good coach, he’ll turn the program around, and he won’t leave for greener pastures.

Nobody mentioning that Jason WR de-committing.. That was a long time coming

@BeddieKU23

Didn't a couple of high profile recruits decommitted recently?

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BeddieKU23

Didn't a couple of high profile recruits decommitted recently?

Yeah Jason did, he was a 5 star prospect according to rivals. Not nearly as high on other sites.

Their remaining top prospects are also getting serious attention from bigger schools

@BeddieKU23

I read somewhere that the once promising class had fallen completely apart.

@Kcmatt7 @Texas-Hawk-10 You forget even before the man hunt, KU had one of the worst defenses in major college football.

@kjayhawks I definitely think Bowen should be fired. I'm on the fence on if they should fire Beaty. I think they have to give him one more year to show they will give the next coach the same leniency. But I do agree, this season was a complete embarrassment and that Beaty wouldn't make it a 4th year for any other program in the country.

Just don't know who would take the job or that throwing millions at a guy fixes the program.

@kjayhawks I like Bowen well enough as a position coach, DB's have been one of the few position groups KU regularly sends to the NFL so Bowen is doing something right as far as player development goes.

I think he's a horrible play caller who absolutely failed to hide the weakness of the secondary this year and instead exposed them even worse.

This was a year the defense needed to the aggressiveness up to 11 to create as much pressure as possible to force quick throws so hide the inexperience of the secondary. Instead, Bowen called a lot of 3 and 4 man rushes that routinely failed to get pressure on the QB and forced the secondary to cover for extended time which ended up with a lot of big pass plays surrendered.