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Me and an ole buddy were chatting after today's loss, both being KU fans that we remember since the mid 90s ( I was born in 1988). So we went back and looked up a few numbers, the worst KU coaches in history. Charlie Weis, Turner Gill, Bob Valesente and David Beaty (not counting Bowens 8 interim games). All of those coaches averaged at least 2 wins a year beside Beaty ( Beaty sill has 9 games but I'd bet the farm he doesn't get 3 more wins this year to average 2) who sits at the worst win percentage.125 and the least amount of wins for a coach tenured more than a single season at 3-24 assuming he doesn't win more than 1 more game. If he can't win a minimum of 2 more games it's the worst 3 year stretch in school history. In my life time Mason averaged 5 wins a year, Allen 4 wins, Mangino 6 and Gill, Weis 2. Wins are obviously big but idk that we even compete the rest of the year. In Turner Gill's final year we won 2 and had 2 single digit losses. In Weis's final 4 games we went 2-2, won another game later and had 2 single digit losses. My problem is if we can't keep it close with MAC schools how can we with B12 schools. Gill's last defense let up over 60 points 3 times and over 40 7 times. I look for much of the same to end this season, push coming to shove I'm saying we are the least competitive we have ever been in year three of the Beaty era. Mangino won 2 games his first year then 6 the next, Allen even improved from 4 wins to 5 and Mason from 1 to 4. We aren't competitive and aren't improving how can Beaty stay? Yes I know he inherited a mess but we have juniors and seniors making freshmen mistakes. Guys like Mason, Mangino and Snyder developed players. Beaty doesn't know how.

@kjayhawks

I really wish I could say I disagree but as much as it hurts I have to agree with you. Like I posted earlier, I just don't see a winnable game in the schedule. KU should be getting paid big bucks to go on the road and get rolled by big programs.

Like most of us, I though Beaty was the answer and we would see steady progress...I just don't see any progress now.

I think Beaty has to get another win this year to keep his job.

Not good, but B12 Matchups are different. We'll win one B12 game if the other team screws up or we score on every possession.

Gill started this, along with Perkins. I'll cheer for any kid who is willing to put on a KU uniform after that debacle.

Football is simple.

If you have at least 66 guys that are about as big, fast and mean running what other good programs are running on both sides of the ball, you win about half your games.

KU isn't winning any games. None. Zero. Zip.

Not even against cupcakes.

Inference: the problem has nothing to do with Beatty and his staff being unable to coach and motivate his players.

KU is like a guy with a Ruger .22 rifle firing at Abrams tanks. It doesn't matter how accurate Coach Beatty gets this guy to load, shoulder and fire his plinker, its not going to stop the Abrams from running over his ass and killing him.

KU has not signed nearly enough talent.

KU has not signed nearly enough talent.

KU has not signed nearly enough talent.

KUAD is apparently not willing to let KU football violate the recruiting rules with large amounts of cash, because it apparently knows the winning that cheating at recruiting would create would lead to recruiting infractions that would queer fiscal dreams of moving to one of four surviving Power conferences. KU has to stay clean to move. It cannot risk creating a toxic superfund site under Memorial Stadium.

KU cheating at football recruiting enough to win would also invite investigators into KUAD and KUAD apparently doesn't want NCAA investigators anywhere near the KU basketball program. KU basketball recruiting appears to be trending down. Bill Self doesn't really sign his share of OADs and 5 stars anymore. He produces hat rabbits to fill gaps. He is a bailing wire artist on the level of Picasso, if Pablo had ever worked in bailing wire. But there are no free hat rabbit and bailing wire supply stores, same as there are no free lunches. adidas appears not to be bringing in the hat rabbits and bailing wire spools. adidas and KU appear to have descended into a pure endorsement relationship. adidas writes a big check and gets to put their logos on KU stuff. That's all folks. adidas appears out of the player delivery action. It appears adidas technicians have come late in the night sometime in the last year, or three, wearing jumps suits and have dismantled the talent conveyor. No dump trucks backing up to AFH. Not even any 3/4 ton stake beds. Maybe an occasional U Haul box truck rented for one day with unlimited mileage comes quietly to a service entrance and delivers a hat rabbit late after everyone's given up hope. This basketball program--this gold egg laying goose--is hanging by a recruiting thread as thin as 8 pound test monofilament for an ultra light rod and reel being used to fish for marlin off Cabo. This is don't ask, don't tell time in KU basketball recruiting. Don't ask how he's getting the hat rabbits. Don't tell either. And figure the bailing wire fixes are coming from Tractor Supply, and just whistle and look the other way, if anyone ask you to 'plain, Lucy. Don't invite the NCAA "investigatutes" into KUAD until KU jumps conferences.

Until then, KUAD needs to take out long term health insurance policies for its hopelessly undermanned football roster. And it better hope that the Geneva Conventions don't have some sub category clause for crimes against football humanity, because its really going to start looking like Syria, when Israel wants its way, in Memorial Stadium, when the schools with "university of" start running up the scores to near triple digits.

@kjayhawks Really depends on what the top donors think... And the odds that firing Beaty costs SZ his job... And what Bill Self thinks of SZ.

I think Beaty is safe for one more year regardless.

Even if KU goes 1-11 this year, firing Beaty isn't the answer because of the long term damage that does to KU football and KU Athletics. KU's scholarship numbers are still off and firing Beaty ruins this class and resets the clock on balancing the scholarship numbers. Firing Beaty also means that Zenger is most likely fired as well which would also mean likely losing whatever progress has been made in fundraising towards the Memorial Stadium renovations. Zenger supposedly already has well over $100 million secured which is more than enough to get started on the project. Conference realignment is coming again in a few years when the B12 TV deal expires, KU positioning themselves for the B10 absolutely has to be what everything the athletic department does now builds towards right now and firing Beaty and Zenger after this season does nothing but hurt that progress towards that goal.

Another question to ask is if Beaty does get fired after 3 years, who in their right mind would take the KU job knowing they only have 3 years? Clint Bowen may end up being the only applicant in that case.

Beaty needs the full 5 years of his initial contract just to get the scholarship numbers back in line and show potential future coaches that they'll get a chance to go through a full recruiting cycle.

KU football is a history of players playing for 2 or 3 different head coaches which is a recipe for failure which pretty much describes KU football history post WWII.

I still consider the Terry Allen teams as the worst teams since I started following KU football in 1973. Those teams were described as being on the level of high school teams. This year, I've been told by the media and KU staff that this team has very good athletes. If that's true, don't we then have to place the blame solely with the coaching staff?

I am not up to speed on KU football recruiting. Can someone elaborate on our recruiting position especially on the high profile commitments from New Orleans area. Are these athletes still committed to KU or have they changed their position.

KU needs to offer Saban, Urban Meyer, or Harbaugh $15-20 million per year to clean up this mess. There is no other quick fix.

Wait a minute, why let Beaty off the hook? It's not likely to get better for another coach either. Make him wallow in this misery or fix it himself. No easy way out, Kevin Durant wouldn't work as our coach...

@AsadZ As of today they are both still committed. - -Pookie and Jason. I wouldn't hold my breath it ending up that way.

Jason says he is taking his 5 officials and you know they gonna hound him to death. - -Willing to beat - Jason leaves - -Williams leaves. - Let's have a show of hands how many think these two will stick to their commitments ? We have a bunch of de-commits already we are down to 10 verbal's, It's hard to sell a program get people wanting to play here when they see this product on the field - -the reputation this School has sad shape right now. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BAB

I wouldn't bash Beaty. He's fixing a mess that was left for him. Winning is hard. You can have all the talent in the world. Yet if you don't know how to win then it becomes a huge process. I remember when the Great Bill Snyder came to Kstate. He and the Wildcats played nothing but cupcakes in the non-con. I think he was trying to get his kids used to winning some games. Maybe Beaty should do the same thing?

@DoubleDD Absolutely he should do the same thing! That should've always been the case. It's not as if Central Michigan and Ohio are world beaters, but they're pretty steady programs by comparison. We should be playing Directional School of Technology State in all three non-con games that will get us halfway to bowl eligibility. This should be obvious to Beaty...

@MoonwalkMafia The noncon games are scheduled years in advance now. These games we're playing now against Ohio and CMU were scheduled when Turner Gill was still coach. Future FBS games for KU include Rutgers and @CMU next year and home and homes Boston College and Coastal Carolina in 2019 and 2020. Beyond that, I believe there's supposed to be a home and home with Illinois and Houston as well. Everyone of these games were scheduled under Weis or Gill except for Coastal Carolina which is replacing a series KU was supposed to play with Hawaii that Weis scheduled.

As easy as it is to say that KU needs to schedule cupcakes, it's much harder to pull that off because of how far in advance nonconference games are scheduled now.

When KU's series with Duke was scheduled, they were in basically the same boat KU is now so there wasn't any reason to assume Duke was going to get good when the second game rolled around.

KU also can't schedule multiple FCS teams because that pushes bowl eligibility to 7 wins since only 1 FCS win per year counts towards bowl eligibility.

All you can really do is schedule teams that you don't expect to be good and hope they don't improve much by the time that game rolls around in a few years. The only known future opponent that KU should maybe look at getting rid of is UH, but that series has already been pushed back multiple time because it was supposed to start this year with KU coming to Houston this year. That series is now supposed to be in 2021 and 2022 I believe. The rest of these teams KU has scheduled are mediocre at best programs like KU so KU can't do much more without scheduling multiple FCS teams which again means KU would have to win 7 to get bowl eligible.

@Texas-Hawk-10

I know you're going to ignore me, but you're right. Yet I noticed Duke asked KU not to play that second game. Well until they got good. Why can't KU do the same thing?

@DoubleDD KU is doing that with Houston and Illinois. UH was supposed to start this year and I believe Illinois was supposed to start next year. Neither are happening until 2021 I believe.

@jaybate-1-0 KU has had some of it better recruiting classes the past few years. We prob have 5 or 6 NFL guys on this team, Ohio and CMU maybe have 2 a piece. If you want to win at Kansas you have to develop talent end of story, KU has better classes than KSU almost yearly. Mason, Mangino developed guys. @stoptheflop Allen averaged 4 wins a year, better than Beaty, Weis and Gill, his worst year was better than the best of any of those coaches. But yes KU has some some talented guys and returned a fair number of guys, no excuses to get worse. I'm okay if Beaty gets next year with all but 5 guys returning on the 2 deep depth chart for next year and some good recruits currently still committed. If he can't win at least 3 games next year you got to fire him. I think it's just a matter of time, he's not the guy here I would be shocked to see him win more than1 more game while he's here, even if it is 2 and 3/4s more years. I don't see a new chancellor wanting to hire a AD and FB coach right away, this likely gives both another year.

@kjayhawks When Coach Beaty cried after the Texas win, I doubted he had the right mindset to be a winning coach. Great person, yes. But, winning coach, no. What other D1 coach would you expect to show that much emotion after an upset win? Coach Snyder? Coach Mangino? There's no crying in football, ever.

@stoptheflop I agree, Turner Gill is a great guy but not an FBS coach as well.

@kjayhawks

I too think Turner Gill was a class act. Just not a HC of a power conference type school.

I am sure none of you have ever been paid a single dollar to call a single play in a football game . I know for a fact that you have no idea of just how much work Beaty puts in and that is why you cant understand why the man was a little emotional after taking the chance on KU ( because i assure you it wasnt the other way around) and coming in and getting these guys to believe and buy in and keep working their a.. off everyday and get knocked down and read all the bs from dumbass know it alls that act like they have ever ran a hundred yards for or put in any work for this program talk sh.t and still get up and do it again and keep pushing forward and do that for an entire season and off season and get beat all year not counting rhode island high school or whoever and come on the field and beat TEXAS .. i am sure that was overwhelming you have no idea what is going on while idiots sit here and rip the program and act like they care with all their KU basketball gear and profile pics talk shit about the program and have the chance for potential recruits come looking on internet about KU football and see idiots making shit look worse than it is .. Zenger didnt pull Beatys name out of a hat he put in work and found a good coach that would work hard and be able to weather this fairweathered football fanbase and see it through. It takes a lot of work to get to a point where your name would be thought of for first head coaching job anyone that has put in that much effort wouldnt come here and get knocked back down and look incompitent that was worth a shit if KU pulls that again with this coach and no coach with a good rep wants that job either not worth destroying everything they worked for. Beaty was offered 1.6 millon to be Texas OC when herman took over and could have taken that job and bailed on KU that was his chance to bail and he stayed for same money you have the right guy .

@justsayn OK, you support Coach Beaty and KU football. Good. So do the rest of us who post here. I don't doubt for one second that Coach Beaty puts in an extraordinary effort for our program. I like the guy. But, lack of wins is not acceptable. I probably paid too much attention to all the accolades and hyperbole for our team during the off season. I expected much more from the defense this year, especially the defensive line. How do you explain the drop off in the defense this year? Hey, welcome to the board and I hope you keep posting.

@stoptheflop Sreiously? - - -Really? - -your reaching that far, talking about a Coach crying after an upset win - -any win at all period at a program that was and still close to ashes? -That's a reach for sure. Soo we can go to the OTHER end of the spectrum, if a team or any member of a staff that win the Super Bowl or the NCAA in THE bowl happen to cry after winning - -or another player get's hurt - -no crying right, there is no crying in football EVER right? -- ummmm, ummmm, ummmm. ya you keep that train of thought I get beat up for some of my comments and I try to refrain - -I rally do, but when I see a comment such as this - -Come on give me a fricken break - that statement is beyond way over the left field fence holy crap. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@stoptheflop So what your trying to tell people is, that a winning coach Can't be a guy wear his emotions on his sleeve? - -Not allowed to show his passion for the School - -Not allowed to show his emotions for his kids - how had they have worked their ass off. - Show his emotions for realizing that their work was paying off , his work was paying off? -ya -- ummmm wow - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY. - -WHAT A WAY TO START MY WEEK SEEING THAT ROFLMMFAO

@justsayn I've been following KU for sometime in all sports. I was at the central Michigan game. Kansas took plenty of risk hiring Beaty ( was a position coach, only one year of coordinatin) , if the pay is high enough a ton of coaches would come here. Also I like Beaty, he's a great guy and I'm sure he does work hard but they're no participation trophies in the real world especially college football. Just about every blog site has people calling for both his and Zengers firing. I also highly highly doubt he was offered to be an OC at Texas let alone at that pay. Beaty had no credentials to be a power 5 head coach let alone an OC. Any source to that? All my Texas fan buddies laughed and said your full of it (one of which has a booster for an uncle with inside info).

Let's pump the brakes here for a second. Since 2008, KU football has been led by Mangino, Gill, Weis, Bowen (interim) and now Beaty. That's five different coaches, philosophies, staffs, etc. in less than 10 years. Let's slow down and let the program have something resembling stability for a minute.

Is Beaty having the type of success we want him to have? No.

Is switching coaches and starting all over going to help? Probably not.

KU hit the eject button too early on Gill, then made matters worse by bringing in Weis, who set about trying to undo everything Gill had put into place. That meant that when Weis got canned, KU was starting over for the third time in less than five years. What's more, Beaty took the job with less than 60 scholarship players on the roster. The D1 limit is 85. Beaty was working with less than three quarters of a full D1 roster in his first year!

If KU bails out on Beaty now, we start over again. We basically guarantee that we will see 1 or 2 win seasons in 2018 and 2019 once you account for the attrition that will once again occur when we change coaches.

This is a cycle that has to stop. I said when Beaty was hired that he needed to be given a minimum of four years, regardless of how things went just because any stability within the program has value right now. You can't develop any players when they are constantly changing offseason programs, schemes, etc. We can't ever start winning if we do not bring some stability. The constant churn and turmoil has undermined any progress we may have made over the past several years.

Look at the basketball program here. The only coaches to stay at KU less than 10 years were Naismith (nine), Harp (eight) and Brown (five). KU has played basketball for nearly 120 years, and has had 8 coaches in that time. The football team has had five in the last 10 years. One team is nationally known and respected. The other is constantly searching for its way. The lack of consistent direction has hindered any potential growth for the program.

KU football isn't going to resurrect overnight. We aren't in a situation like KSU was in the late 1980s and early 1990s where there is a vacuum of strong programs within the conference that allows a mediocre team to rise. This will take time because the Big 12 has legitimate depth right now.

@justsayn

I understand where you are coming from and I feel exactly the same way when people second guess Coach Self.

Having said that, there is a huge difference. Coach Self wins at the best click of any coach, Coach Beaty...well, not so much. Hard to argue with Coach Self's results, not so hard with Coach Beaty's.

We all support Coach Beaty and I have to say that before the season, I was the most excited I have been for the programs since the Mangino best days. There were many returning players and eligible transfers and recruiting appeared to have been well above the usual haul at KU. However, after 3 games I see that the team has really not changed that much and has not performed to expectation.

Perhaps our expectations were too high and unrealistic but it would be nice to see some light at the end of the tunnel but I honestly can's say I see any at this time. Perhaps the team will surprise and win a game or two but again, realistically, I just don't see this happening.

I have maintained in the past that a coach has to be given a reasonable amount of time to turn the program around and a minimum of 4-5 years; however, there must be some demonstrated progress during this time and I am sorry to say but I just don't see it at this time.

No doubt that Coach Beaty is a dedicated, high character individual but so are most coaches and without tangible results he is is just another one of the bunch.

My question to you is: If KU does not win any other games this season, what should KU do? I will answer my own question and say he should get one more year...what say you?

@justanotherfan I agree, I'm not saying firing him today just saying IMO he's failed to develop several players with 2 years worth of experience and will be fired in a few years.

Looks like Beaty's mom joined the forum. We're movin' on up.

What we need is a big name coach who can bring in a couple 5 star QB's, right? Oh, wait...

@DanR

Wait for what? Um KU isn't a football school, yet the powers to be are trying. A lot of money is about to be donated to making KU Football better. So again wait for what?

@BShark lmao you win the internet today buddy

@DoubleDD Weis

@stoptheflop Dick Vermeil says hi.

stoptheflop said:

@kjayhawks When Coach Beaty cried after the Texas win, I doubted he had the right mindset to be a winning coach. Great person, yes. But, winning coach, no. What other D1 coach would you expect to show that much emotion after an upset win? Coach Snyder? Coach Mangino? There's no crying in football, ever.

Dick Vermeil says hi.

Seeing a good chunk of fire Beaty and Zenger comments all across the web here. I honestly feel like the next few weeks are huge for Zenger's job and how much more time Beaty gets. We go on the road to face TCU the 4th ranked team in the land, then KSU and Baylor at home. If we get blown away bye a TCU it's probably not a big deal but KSU will likely have a 3-4 record and Baylor likely will be 0-8. If we get hammered by 2 teams with a combined record of 3-12 at home it will be very tough to raise amy money for a program that bad and keep the current people in charge.

@kjayhawks

...and KU will own the records for most consecutive road loses.

@JayHawkFanToo We can just hold our head high and wear "Record Breaking!" on our tshirts.

Apparently Coach Beaty is feeling the heat. His comments at the presser ↗ sound like those of some one seeing the writing on the wall.

@JayHawkFanToo It should be getting hot, as I stated before the ISU game both teams returned within a guy or 2 of the same but the result the next year flipped from 31-24 to 45-0. Samething could be said for the TCU and KSU games both return similar numbers and the games were competitive a year ago, TCU beat us 24-23 and KSU 34-19 in a touchdown game late. I beat both are 30 plus point beatings again.

@kjayhawks

I understand KU is 14 points worse than the Vegas line...worst in college football.

I feel like the infomercial guy "but wait there's more!!" Kansas is now tied for the longest road losing streak in NCAA history and let's be honest they will own it here shortly and probably for a long time seems how it has been in place since before WW2. Kansas now has the worst offensive output this century (only 17 years but still pathetic) with a grand total of 21 yards. KU has been out scored 144 to 19 in the past 3 games including 2 shutouts. If Beaty can't at least be competitive the next 2 weeks he has to go end of story.

The thing is I believe KU is still paying for Gill, and Weis even though both have been excorted off the property. If KU gets rid of Beaty that would mean KU would be paying for 4 HC's? I don't know somebody would have to research that one. However I believe it's time to part ways with Zenger.

@kjayhawks Minus 25 yards rushing. I can sure see why we tried to pass 20 times and rushed 31. Gotta keep diggin' that hole.

I watched several 3rd-down-and-long plays where we tried passes in the backfield that resulted in losses or incompletions, and a few others where on 3rd and 10 (or 15) the pass was no further than 5 yards over the line of scrimmage. And Bender didn't even get the ball all the way to those guys a couple of times. All those plays were in the same area of the field--behind or near the line of scrimmage, where we were stymied all day. Maybe trying a whole series of patterns that are 15 or 20 yards deep would open something up?

But then again, the o-line was getting swsmped by three guys, so maybe deep receivers never could get open.

Our biggest gain on a pass play was 14 yds on pass interference. Bender's second pass was complete for 13. But our third longest "successful" pass play was 11 yds--again, pass interference. So TCU's secondary made longer plays for our passing game than we did.

I feel bad for all those guys. I believe the coaches need more imagination to right the ship. Not trick plays, but plays that, if successful, get the team fired up, like a few deep passes. 31 rushes for minus 25 will not excite anyone except the other team.

DoubleDD said:

... If KU gets rid of Beaty that would mean KU would be paying for 4 HC's?...

Maybe not--we might not get anyone willing to tank their career, so we might still only be paying 3.

@mayjay Deep routes weren't going to happen. Defense live in KU's backfield all night. Even Usain Bolt wouldn't have had time to get open last night.

Yep, oline is terrible and that's where it starts. Get a better line and you can do MUCH more.

I suffered through 3 of the worst seasons in baseball history with my Astros while they implemented their rebuilding plan.

This was never going to be a 3 year rebuild for Beaty. I've seen people ask why were programs like UCF which went 0-12 the same year KU did a couple of years ago and is currently 6-0 and why can't KU duplicate that.

There's several reasons for that. First would be that UCF won the Fiesta Bowl just 2 years prior to their 0-12 season so Scott Frost inherited a much better situation with very recent success and players that were apart of the Fiesta Bowl team.

Number two is the level of competition UCF plays. The AAC is not the Big 12. It's much easier to rebound from a down year in a league like the AAC than the Big 12.

Number three is UCF is in Orlando. Their recruiting base is much better than KU's. They are competing with USF for the second tier prospects in Florida that the Big 3 don't want.

KU has none of those advantages. Another comparison I've seen is David Cutcliffe at Duke. Duke was patient with Cutcliffe and actually let him build that program. It took Cutcliffe until year 5 to finally break through and reach a bowl game. He actually regressed in years 3 and 4 at Duke like Beaty is now and we see what the reaction has been to that regression. The difference is Duke allowed Cutcliffe to execute his plan and once all of the players in that program were Cutcliffe guys, Duke then made 4 straight bowl games before breaking that streak last season.

I don't know if Beaty will ever succeed at Kansas or not, but I know a 5 year turnaround plan is never going to be executed in 3 years. I also know that KU has traditionally cycled through coaches every 3-4 years for the better part of the past 70 years since WWII. I know that continuing that cycle of only giving a coach 3-4 years to finish a 5 year is never going to build anything sustainable at Kansas either. Every good coach that has come through Kansas post WWII has gone on to vetter programs except for Mangino was looking after the OB, but nobody wanted him at that time.

I would say that if we want any hope of success after a long period of futility like Duke, we need to allow Beaty his 5 years and realize there will be road bumps just like Cutcliffe had road bumps in years 3 and 4 that if those were duplicated at KU, wouldn't have gotten him a 5th year to see if the plan would payoff or not.

Yes, our OLine is garbage right now. It takes time build an OLine. 3 years is not enough time. It literally takes 4-5 year's because thise kids legitimately need 4-5 years in the weight room and there is no legal substitute for that time. The normal starting OLine are comprised primarily of 2nd and 3rd year players. They are not physically ready yet, but there are no other options out there for KU so we are seeing those growing pains right now. When injuries get tossed into the mix and players who are even less physically ready to play are forced to play, we see what we've seen offensively the past 2 weeks.

I don't know if Beaty will ever get KU turned around or not, but I know that continuing to do the same thing we've seen for the past 70 years will yield the same results we've seen for the past 70 years which is one of, if not the worst major conference football team in the country.

It gets worse friends, we just had another recruit bail. I believe 4 so far this year. Beaty says we are close to caught up on scholarships but we may actually lose ground in that department.

@kjayhawks QB Clayton Tune is one I thought KU would struggle to hang on to even when he committed.

Only commit from Texas bailed out following the TCU debacle.

@DoubleDD Don't fret - we can still get worse.

@nuleafjhawk Hey! Where have you been? We missed you for the whole charity game controversy!

Thanks @mayjay - I've been around, just super, super busy lately. I am Sooooooooo ready for basketball - i was on the road Sunday and listened to the game on the radio. I must have looked like a drunk monkey driving, because i was INTO the game! As bad as I hate to admit it, MU has some really good players this year - i was a teeeeeeeeensy bit concerned before the game. But dang - i think we're going to be a special team this year. I think the basketball team may be as good as the football team is bad. Sorry - i try to be optimistic, but they force me to be the opposite of that.

@nuleafjhawk Actually, and unfortunately, thinking the fb is "bad" is probably the optimistic view. Most people think in much more extreme terms in the awfulness spectrum...

A touchdown underdog at Memorial Stadium to winless Baylor is another slap in the face of Coach Beaty, AD Zenger and all KU football supporters. I'll be watching the outcome of this game with great interest. A loss here must result in a coaching change, right? If we stay with Coach Beaty, what is going to get so much better next year that we might win 2 games?

@stoptheflop They should all be fired with a loss Saturday no question. I'm still pissed they blew last week with poor coaching for the special teams for the 3rd week in a row. Although my sources close to the program are telling Beaty will be around til his contract expires. I'm not sure how a 3rd coach could lose at home to teams 3-12 combined record and stay. Beaty himself said they expected to go to a bowl this year. I predicted 4 wins and a slight chance to go bowling. I honestly can hardly talk about it, it's me makes so mad the lack of knowledge our coaches have.

I'm 59 years old and very sporadically over the many years, KU football has provided me with some great joy, but I'm at the point now where, if it were up to me - I'd scrap the whole damn program. Save the $300 million for basketball, hurricane relief, grants, scholarships, free cotton candy for all Lawrence natives - anything but football. Give it up. It's an embarrassment to the University, to KU fans, to the State of Kansas and to the Universe. Please stop the madness now.

@nuleafjhawk The money would also be needed to replace all the Big 12 logos and flags with whatever small conference we end up in....

@mayjay Yeah, I know. But i'm frustrated.

@nuleafjhawk Free cotton candy!!!!

@stoptheflop

Most of the younger posters probably don't remember the 1987 game between KU and KSU and aptly labeled the "Toilet Bowl" because KU had one win and KSU was winless and the game ended in a tie. The upcoming game against Baylor is looking like a repeat of the "Toilet Bowl."

Here is a description of that game...

1987: The Toilet Bowl

The lone tie during the Governor's Cup era took place on November 7, 1987, in Manhattan, and is the most infamous game in the history of the series. Termed "The Toilet Bowl" and "The Futility Bowl" by national commentators, the game featured 1–7 KU and 0–8 K-State. The contest lived down to expectations and resulted in a 17–17 tie, which was secured when Kansas blocked a field goal at the end of the game.[7][8] Following the tie, both teams lost their last two games of the season. KU coach Bob Valesente was fired following the season. His counterpart Stan Parrish kept his job, but did not make it past 1988 after the Wildcats posted an 0–11 campaign to extend a winless streak to 28 games. Parrish's dismissal led to the hiring of Bill Snyder, who would shift the direction of the series in favor of the Wildcats.

@nuleafjhawk Football still generates twice the money basketball does for the athletic department. KU football may suck, but it's still funding the rest of the athletic department's non revenue sports.

@Texas-Hawk-10

I keep telling people that and they just don't believe it, they think basketball generates the majority of income.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Wait - I upvoted your post, but HOW does football generate more money? KU doesn't give away basketball tickets or concessions and the 16,300 people that show up for EVERY home game stay and spend money. Ninety percent of the 10,000 that show up for football leave at or waaaaaaaaaaaaay before halftime. I'm not a math scholar, but i don't get it.

@nuleafjhawk But if they charge the football players for admission to the stadium, too, that would represent what, a 5% increase in attendance?

@nuleafjhawk It’s not money based upon merit. It’s based upon being a football team in the Big12 and the money that is (thankfully) evenly distributed even though KU hasn’t carried it’s weight in years. Ridiculous, but true. Also making the $ divide worse is the NCAA keeps most of the money from the NCAA tournament.

@nuleafjhawk The TV deal for football is massive and dwarfs the basketball deal. Football still has more people in the stadium those than basketball so ticket revenue is comparable because of the lower prices tickets. It also doesn't matter if someone leaves after the 1st play or stays the whole game, they still had to pay the same amount to enter the stadium.

Mainly it's the TV deal that generates a massive amount of money for KU each year, $30+ million based on what the Big 12 said about revenues last year. Basketball doesn't come anywhere near that.

Kansas football makes considerablely more money than basketball, 34 million dollars just in TV revenue. Plus Beaty gets paid a third of what Self does, KU actually averages just over 30,000 in attendance for the year with the KSU game being the biggest crowd in 2 years with just over 36,000.

Awesome run by Cole moos!!!

Oh hello there bad KU defense. :(

@BShark and getting worse

We need to score

KU cannot complete plays when they need to. They have failed to complete at every critical time and had to settle for field goals.

Still unable to complete plays when it counts. The 3 FG could have easily been TDs if a few critical plays were completed. Red zone offense non-existing.

@JayHawkFanToo we are still in this game

Not anymore🏉🕳🤢

Today is why Stanley isn't the answer at QB. His arm isn't strong enough for this offense and his accuracy is atrocious.

Stanley gets far too much credit for the UT upset last year. KU beat Texas last year solely because of the defense forcing 6 turnovers. KU won that game in spite of Stanley, not because of him.

@Texas-Hawk-10 get him out!

I'm curious about the attendance today. All I could see on television was the bowl and student section, which I estimated to be about 2,000. I don't pay any attention to the announced attendance. I paid for a ticket for my daughter, but she's at home today.

@stoptheflop pics were were bad! Did you see Wainrights td?

@Crimsonorblue22 I missed Wainright's TD. I really can't watch much of Beaty's folly. Kansas Football: The futility is infuriating.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Ya Ya Ya we know Stanley sucks right - -I get it you have made it perfectly clear - -just a little FYI - -the WHOLE TEAM SUCKS - - not just STANLEY - - BENDER SUCKS TOO hope you understand that also -- you like the passes he made when HE DID come in - -really sweet, we have beat this fricken horse to death

We know what's coming next - -the same BS - - fire the Coach right? like reading some DE-STRUCTIONS - -read above and repeat - - -2-3 yrs - -fire the Coach -- -2-3 yrs - -fire the Coach - -2-3 yrs - -fire the coach - -we have gained a lot from that huh -nice foundation - - Shit if I were a recruit - -no way IN HELL would I ever consider coming here - -WHY - -cause hell I never know from one year to the next who the Coach is going to be. -We think players gong to come to this Cess Pool? - - -please.

What's the answer? - - -F - - - I don't know - -does anyone? - - There is no defending - -Beaty -There is no defending Stanley today - -We have NO QB that can play here - -no capable QB - -Guess Starks must of transferred -if not he should - -why waste away on this piece of crap? - -

What's going to happen I don't think there is any way in Hell Beaty can save his job - - Beaty will be out - - Bowen will be out - - Special teams will be out & Meacham will leave on his own

As far as Bender his pct completion is just as bad concrete feet he proved nothing while he was in either - -and don't try to throw some sada excuse about throwing for over X amount of yards -- what was the result of those yards? - -Wins? - -NOPE - -innerceptions - -YEP. Time for next man up period. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Will a new chancellor make a change? Dang, I'm doubting it.

@jayballer54

You have to stop getting yourself so worked up and taking things so personally...you are going to give yourself a heart attack.

We all have different opinion, sometimes we agree and some others we don't; they are just opinions and nothing more.

Well here is a little tid bit that ought to make your night go a little better - - - -38-38 at the half - - -Oklahoma & Oklahoma State - -almost 850 yds of offense between the two -Oklahoma with like 476 yds and Oklahoma St 400 Mayfield right at 400 yds passing in the 1st half - -The running back for Oklahoma state at like 140 yrs rushing in the 1st half -- and here is the good news I promised would pic you up - -We still get to play both of these teams - -Yippee, - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@jayballer54 our worst nightmare is coming x2

I am watching the OU-OSU game and it is a no holds barred shoot out. If they keep up the pace in the second half, they will break all kinds of records. Not much defense but fun game to watch.

@kjayhawks

But here’s the redeeming part: win, or lose, all the players are still getting brain damage.

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@kjayhawks

But here’s the redeeming part: win, or lose, all the players are still getting brain damage.

We are already seeing youth participation drop off massively. Won't be long now...

@jaybate-1-0 @BShark ill have to see if I can find an article I read a few months back about a brain surgeon that lets his son play football and how he thinks the CTE is in high number of people who didn't play football.

Ive been extremely busy the past several days working on installing new floor in my house and going to a funeral. I listened to game while working yesterday, and Beaty has to go. Beaty is a fraud, the slicked back haired car salesman that sales the hard working family a junk car with no remorse. Look at all these Texas recruits we got signed!!! (0) Beaty played the system, got rich in doing so, now he'll get a buyout and go be a WR coach somewhere.

I don't care about how much money we supposedly lose or what conference the basketball team winds up in. Drop. Football. Now.

@nuleafjhawk Basketball will no longer be a blue blood if football is dropped and it will have a much more negative impact on the university than the football team being crappy.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Why do you believe that to be true? What positive impact does a terrible football team have on an incredible basketball program?

@nuleafjhawk Look what's happening to UConn in basketball now that they are no longer in a power conference. They are quickly losing relevance in basketball.

Dropping football means no longer in a major conference. That means reduced TV exposure which will have a very negative impact on recruiting. Instead of landing 5 and 4 star players, KU would landing mostly 3 star players with occasional 4 star players.

I'd much rather be embarrassed about the football team sucking than being embarrassed that KU quit football completely.

You can't drop football, don't be crazy.

stoptheflop said:

I'm curious about the attendance today. All I could see on television was the bowl and student section, which I estimated to be about 2,000. I don't pay any attention to the announced attendance. I paid for a ticket for my daughter, but she's at home today.

Article in the Star stated paid attendance as 21,797. As I noticed toward the end of the fourth quarter, it looked as if everyone in the main sections below the pressbox had left. I saw all the blue and realized those were empty seats, the blue seatbacks.

nuleafjhawk said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Why do you believe that to be true? What positive impact does a terrible football team have on an incredible basketball program?

Self said back at the last CR seismic shudder that he is not a mid-major coach. If KU drops football, it would have to leave the Big 12, it would never gain an invitation to Big Ten or any other P5 conference, and Bill Self would leave. No football would have an even bigger negative impact on the university and basketball program than a horrible football program (which might still be negative enough to prevent the university moving to the Big Ten).

@kjayhawks

That would be great. Look forward to it. Hope the research is methodologically sound. I loved football once. Would comeback to it if it were empirically verified safe in reproducible studies.

Have known a number surgeons that were pretty monomaniacal. Would be most impressive if the guy were. a neurosurgeon and asserted such.

BShark said:

You can't drop football, don't be crazy.

I could in a blink.Zero loss. Football has seemed a net loser.

Suggestion: all the elite basketball schools should form a non football conference.

I would really love to see track and field elevated to replace football. It’s a way better sport.

@jaybate-1.0

...and so is soccer in the rest of the world but in this country football is still king. Funny thing is that football might not die because of the obvious medical risk but by the actions of the millionaire football players that feel they can antagonize the fan base with impunity and in the process kill the proverbial goose that laid the golden eggs.

Sometimes good things are the unexpected result of unlikely events. Capone went to jail, not for all the murders and other major crimes he committed, but for tax evasion. Likewise, football might come to an end, not because of the medical damage resulting from the brutality of the sport, but for the chutzpah of the players that make millions and who fail to realize that without football a fair number of them would be minimum wage workers.

Many reasonable people feel that boxing is an anachronism in today’s world and has no place in an evolved society and yet, we have come up with an even more violent form of the sport in the form of Mixed Martial Arts or Ultimate fighting. One has to wonder if we, as a society, have evolved or regressed.

@JayHawkFanToo

Football is king? Kneeling rich guys in cleats are going to bring down the brain damage game?

Me thinks it goes deeper.

And me thinks you sound a wee bit reminsicient of those colonists that were telling Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, Hamilton, etc., "OMG! We can't start our own country! We've been a colony for two centuries. Everything is set in stone. Nothing can change, guys, unless the British aristocracy gets too much syphillus and in an insane fit frees us. We can't free ourselves, no way. A new country where life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness replaces bowing to a king and taxation without representation? Fuggedabout it you bunch of dreamers. I'm moving to Canada, where you can still curl in peace. You'll get us all killed by second rate English generals."

Um...

Track and field has been around for a couple thousand years! Football for little over a century. Summer olympics emphasize it. Almost every high school and university in America has a quarter mile track, jump and pole vault pits, and shot and discus aprons. Many argue we're turning into a third world country economically and politically. Track and field is cheap. The Greeks competed naked. No uniforms needed. Just a colored sash. Some shoes. Piece of cake for a third world country. Petro helmets and petro pads and petro cleats and petro mouthpieces bare minimum. Outfitting a modern football player is almost as bad as suiting up a private in the Big Red One for some night fighting on an oil dome.

Football got a big underwrite from the robber barons looking for a way to pound a bunch of free men into soldiers willing to fight for empire expansion and exploitation after we false flagged the moribund Spanish Empire and took all their sugar cane islands (Puerto Rico, Cuba, a bunch of little rocks in the Caribbean, Guam, the Philippines and a bunch of other little rocks in the Pacific), pinched Hawaii from a hereditary King, or Queen, and a year later partitioned of American Samoa along with the Germans and Brits. Add them all together and we created the American sugar trust (aka Dominoe) and the maritime lines of communication needed to peddle enough Standard tins in the Americas, and Asia, to enable us to finish the Darien Ditch and call ourselves an empire deserving of a privately-owned central bank debt/currency cartel secured by Federal income tax in 1913-1914.

Football was only king as long as the robber barons wanted to pump it up with subsidies, broadcast monopolies, and controlled gaming, so that they could conform to factory protocols, administrate some colonials with a firm hand (and some water boarding), and field armies with some swag.

Well, guess what? The robber barons moved the industries to Asia. The colonies administrate themselves now. And the armies are no longer huge citizen armies. They are all volunteer and may soon migrate heavily to robots and AI systems. The swag is still needed, but the culture's institutions are now so heavily militarized that we hardly need football to ready young men's and women's minds for soldiering. And their bodies? How many special forces do we really need? So much of the rest of military employment can be done by soft bodies and techie minds that, well, ballet might be enough to toughen them for the task these days. TV can shape a kid to volunteer without need for a coach figure. Oh, and the TV networks fragged from internet competition. Not slighting our guys and gals in uniform right now. Talkin' 'bout the near future.

NWO baby. Boys and girls with head chips and embedded medical systems and limb augmentation tech that together can make a woman as formidable as a man in combat, given the weapons of today.Women may even make BETTER augmented soldiers, because they arguably have a higher tolerance for pain and privation due to millenia of suffering child birth and giving up the milk to the hungry young. Not certain. But maybe. Who needs football?!!!!

Of course, football CAN EASILY be jettisoned in USA. Just gotta wait to burn off some sunk costs, and for the next wave of Plunge Protection Team untraceable bailout monies to underwrite the migration from brain damage ball to track and field.

Heck, to really take identity politics the last ten yards to the goal line, TPTB actually may want to frag football players into victim groups of linemen, backs and specialty teamers and atomize the whole sport so that attack adds can better mobilize and energize and optimize into a winning constituency.

This is the brave new world, @JayHawkFanToo.

The NWO and its Deep State wants to break down families, and religions, and parties and online communities. Gender bending and transforming is now. They want to break down anything that might coalesce into a credible opposition. You know that!!!

We are talking Borg-ism here.

All human organizations are to be broken down into individuals and then connected not with coaches and huddles, but with in-head chips and microwave communications disseminating at least the illusion of orchestrated trauma events chased with pleasure and suggestion.

Football??? Its so 20th Century, dude.

TPTB can simulate a football season with FX, or robots, or some combination, much cheaper and easier than with bio units that are head injuries waiting to happen and class action suits looming.

Track and field is ideally suited to the 21st and 22rd Centuries.

Everyone in Track and Field is an individual competing as an individual with points tallied independently into a team score.

This IS the NWO baby!

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All that nonsense and still could not refute that in America football is still king. I don’t watch football that much and even less so now, but it is silly to argue that football is not the number one sport in our country, whether you like it or not.

@jaybate-1-0 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/im-brain-scientist-let-son-play-football-135727314.html ↗

@kjayhawks

This is important. It’s a start. Thanks for digging it out!

Here are my initial thoughts.

This guy has thought it through and presents relevant, but apparently still inconclusive evidence. He at least raises doubt that football is a trigger of brain damage in NFL football players.

I am willing to revisit this.

I dislike disliking football, but am quite capable of doing so to save brains.

This guy offers evidence doubting the positive results based on methodological issues and sampling bias. Good!

He also asserts research indicating NFL players are NOT showing signs of high levels of brain damage, which at least means his kid will be safe in the NFL, but he apparently found nothing on little league. He also does not explain what is right about the methodology and sampling techniques of the NFL research. What if the NFL research is masking a bias? What if most of the concussed players with brain damage under 21 are quitting the game before the NFL? What if the brain is most susceptible to BD under 21? I am all for researching these questions!

Wouldn’t it be great if it were found that football and boxing head trauma actually improved brain function. Teachers in schools could just have students wear helmets in class and bang them as they walk by lecturing? We never know what we’ll learn when we start really looking skeptically.

We know the Fellow is a voice alone among experts by his own admission. This can mean many things and skepticism helps assess all possibilities.

He certainly stands to benefit from expert witness testimony for the NFL and all other organizations needing an expert witness who questions brain damage from football. But then so do those that testify on the other side. So we need to be as skeptical of him as them. And we need to thank this man for courageously coming forward.

In this era of science and fake news about, it is not enough to reject it all as lies. We have to restore strong skepticism about all scientific findings, because of grant asymmetry between huge granting for original research and modest granting for testing replicability of original study findings. Many positive findings are reputedly being found to be unreproducible. Reasons are apparently varied but concerning. Skepticism is the most logical path. Reject nothing by knee jerk. Doubt everything.

Scepticism about science is good for science (especially science about big money sports with huge cultural significance that bad guys might wish to use as paths of cultural destabilization and surreptitious revenue capture) and all ethical scientists should welcome strong scepticism about all positive results. Scientific scepticism. It’s scien-tastic!

The finest scientist I know well says he has just never found Einstein’s theories very “understandable” and so he remains sceptical of Einsteinian explanations that are not understandable, I.e., as reliably being actually how things work, no matter how often predictions using the incomprehensible explanation prove accurate. He exemplifies with a gas giant in another dimension raising and lowering the sun once every 24 hours. It makes an utterly accurate, precise and repeatable prediction. But it makes no sense and is verifiable only in its effects, not in the mechanism of its effects. He even is skeptical of his own intellect. He says Einstein’s theories could just be above his ability to understand them. But he adds, he hasn’t had much trouble understanding other scientific theories of complex phenomena, so he is also sceptical of Einstein’s General Relativity. He says he doesn’t talk about it much, because he doesn’t need to use General Relativity for anything. He says General Relativity is so far best for making predictions to vindicate General Relativity; that it has been superb at that; and that sort of auto-verification of a theorized reality leads him to more skepticism. He says scientists do not use General Relativity for much of anything except investigating General Relativity. Scientists use Newtonian physics and quantum mechanics all the time. Handy tools for operating in the realms of the universe he has studied. His is an interesting, humble, profound scepticism. He wouldn’t think of discouraging work on Einstein. He just says he can’t understand it and is open to have it cleared up anytime.

Back to the brain tech in neuropathology.

It’s immaterial that he lets his kid play, of course. Many parents do stupid things and let their emotions cloud their thinking about what they permit their children to do. Ask any parent if they notice this about other parents, not about themselves, and most will recall many dubious choices by other parents. This guy even recalls being something of a dope himself prior to his recent research.

Science is about discovering new things and embracing them while retaining healthy skepticism about the meaning and implications of the new knowledge.

I’m skeptically ready for more on this subject of brain damage for college and under football.

Wouldn’t it be great if it were found that football and boxing head trauma actually improved brain function. Teachers in schools could just have students wear helmets in class and bang them as they walk by lecturing? We never know what we’ll learn when we start really looking skeptically.

LMAO. Hilarious.

Someone on twitter yesterday was able to list all of the schools we've beat this decade in one tweet. Granted they had the new 240 character limit, but that's still pretty ridiculous. and they didn't just list the school abbreviations.

Need to keep recruiting the 3-4star kids. Then you expect things out of them as GROWN 21-22yr old upperclassmen. Come on, Beaty is trying to do it right, by recruiting high school kids, and a juco kid or transfer with a lot of eligibility is OK too.

But every piece of conventional wisdom says you let HIS recruits become upperclassmen in HIS system, then judge the results.

AND, people will hate hearing this, but because of the scholarship athlete dump-off by Weis (poor grades, etc), Beaty was in a deep hole. So, many many of the ones who could have been upperclassmen now are simply not here.

Clearly we need more than just Dorrance, Wise, Dineen, Sims.

And you also have to have a little faith that a TX or Louisiana 3-4 star is better than a KS 0,1,2 star. But you wont see that qualitative edge if that 3-4star is playing as a frosh against a grown-up 0-2star upperclassman, will you?

Always thought Beaty needed AT LEAST 5 YRS to start seeing more than 3 wins. But KU alums like to bitch, so keep at it. Not this one.

I agree with above guy who said Perkins and Gill started this, and Weis was no help. Trying to copy Snyder was the worst thing Weis could have done.

I tip my hat to KU Admin and some of their WmsFund alums (who have nothing better to do, apparently), as they have found a way to up-end football conventional wisdom, making this football game harder than it is, and think by pulling the plug every 2-3yrs on a coach, is going to give them something better? than a half-baked product 2yrs down the line? No way, KU is reaping what it sowed, that's all.

Go watch basketball, NFL, and leave Beaty to keep collecting his 3-4 star guys until there are enough of them to field 70-80% of the roster as experienced upperclassmen (just think how long that % will take to attain), and you have your actual timeline.

And if KU Admin and alums are that stupid about it, then you only are getting what you deserve.

@JayHawkFanToo I have an OU alum working on our house as a contractor, and his view of OU is that their defense "absolutely sucks". Its all relative. Baker Mayfield goes for 598yds passing vs OSU, but its a shootout due to bad D, possibly.

I'd say KU's D tries, but gets little rest because the O cannot produce. So our D stats are literally the worst. And the O is just too talent limited. As is the defensive secondary especially.

Definitely nothing pretty for KU starting with the 2nd game of the season. But there's a lot of reasons. You can blame Beaty, but look what he got dealt. He still cant see out of the deep rabbit hole he's in. And we're right there with him. We dont have the roster yet to generate B12 wins. A critical mass of 3rd and 4th yr 3-4star recruits on both sides of the ball. Just not there yet, not really close.

So of course its pathetic to watch. So lets fire the builder when he's not even halfway done with the walls, not to mention start putting a roof on it.

Football number 1 sport in US? Of course it is. Follow the $. Why do you think the networks, who have a HUGE stake in NFL advertising dollars have simply decided to not-inflame the public by showing the natl anthem (& the kneeling). A 13% drop in ratings is billions of ad dollars. Board-room decisions get made, man. Now people have to read the ESPN ticker across the bottom if there is any news about player(s) kneeling. That's a far cry than instantly inflamming millions by showing it live on TV. What a far cry from 2 yrs ago when that Chicago guy in some uniform sang a booming rendition of the anthem before a Bears game. People wept, and were brought to tears, I recall.

Concussions? Too much money at stake for paradigm shift about football, other than individual players making their own decisions, like choosing to retire early, etc. And now? A few years into the whole concussion issue? We are watching those now who evidently are playing AFTER making an assumably "informed" decision. In other words, they are playing because they want to.

DoubleDD said:

I wouldn't bash Beaty. He's fixing a mess that was left for him. Winning is hard. You can have all the talent in the world. Yet if you don't know how to win then it becomes a huge process. I remember when the Great Bill Snyder came to Kstate. He and the Wildcats played nothing but cupcakes in the non-con. I think he was trying to get his kids used to winning some games. Maybe Beaty should do the same thing?

The problem is that KU can't even beat the so-called cupcakes on a regular basis, or Beaty would have more than 3 victories in 3 years.

Zenger was supposed to be a football guy, but look at his hires: People point to the mess Beaty inherited, but that mess was left by Zenger's first major hire. And Zenger's hire as women's BB coach is 2-44 against B12 competition.

Zenger cannot be allowed another hire in any sport!

And in my Billy Mayes Oxi-Clean voice once again, "Wait there's more". Kansas now has become the first power 5 conference team to have 3 straight 10 loss seasons. Can we make it 4 next year?

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kjayhawks said:

And in my Billy Mayes Oxi-Clean voice once again, "Wait there's more". Kansas now has become the first power 5 conference team to have 3 straight 10 loss seasons. Can we make it 4 next year?

KU basketball has 2 streaks of note, 13 straight conference titles and a record 28 consecutive NCAA tourney appearances.

How many more streaks of an infamous sort will the football team achieve before they are through? This one you mention, and consecutive road losses, -- surely, there must be more.

@mayjay

Most former coaches still on the payroll? :smile:

@JayHawkFanToo When do those expire, anyway?

I wonder if there is a stat for most consecutive 1st and goals without a touchdown?

When I checked Friday, the line on the OU game was 37 pts. We lost by 38 and managed to blow many opportunities on offense. OU couldn't get going until the second half, when we rolled over and played dead.

Oh, yay, now maybe we will get investigated for being intentionally bad.

@mayjay

I am not sure but we might be adding another one soon. KU should advertise the position as having the best retirement plan in the sport.