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David McCormack 12 pts 11 rebs in Oak Hill's first game.

@BShark nice boards!

@Crimsonorblue22 Yes. Also important to know they have a top 15 recruit guard/wing and then a couple other nice guards as well. So he isn't really the focal part of the offense.

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David McCormack put up 23 and 11 today in a blowout win for Oak Hill over Word of God Academy.

BShark said:

David McCormack put up 23 and 11 today in a blowout win for Oak Hill over Word of God Academy.

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Big Dave 8-12 from the floor, 7-11 from the line.

McCormack 11 and 8 tonight.

Dotson had 37 points, 10 rebounds and three assists in Tuesday’s 87-73 win over previously unbeaten Legacy Charter. For the season, Dotson is averaging 31.3 points, 10.3 rebounds and four assists.

Grimes went off for 32 points the day before he announced for KU.

He had 31 pts 13 reb and 5 ast in their first game.

Grimes went for 51 last night.

His nickname is now I get buckets

@BeddieKU23 Hot diggity dog..

Grimes is so exciting, just makes it look almost too easy

I said earlier that I would be more excited if KU got Grimes than I would if they got Williamson, and I stand by that. Grimes is a stud. So happy he's a Jayhawk.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I said earlier that I would be more excited if KU got Grimes than I would if they got Williamson, and I stand by that. Grimes is a stud. So happy he's a Jayhawk.

I'll take Zion too (but I don't think it happens).

Grimes looks a lot like Trae Young did to me. Who is averaging 18 and 11 (assists) for OU in this early season. Think of all the ball handlers next year we will have. Garrett isn't as much as a scorer as the other 2 but fills the stat sheet. Dotson and Grimes are probably end up being more of a SG rather than a PG but having 2 or 3 that can bring the ball up the floor will be good. I personally think Garrett starts PG next year.

kjayhawks said:

Grimes looks a lot like Trae Young did to me. Who is averaging 18 and 11 (assists) for OU in this early season. Think of all the ball handlers next year we will have. Garrett isn't as much as a scorer as the other 2 but fills the stat sheet. Dotson and Grimes are probably end up being more of a SG rather than a PG but having 2 or 3 that can bring the ball up the floor will be good. I personally think Garrett starts PG next year.

Dotson will be the starting PG next year.

Dotson is a pure point. He was offered the keys. It's a bad look if he doesn't start at PG so unless it's a really inferior option (which I doubt) I'd say he officially starts at PG. Also he isn't as rough of a shot as Garrett, but he does need some work there.

Grimes is a lot different than Young imo. Young has in the gym shooting range. Grimes doesn't but he has more explosive athleticism to his game.

Grimes went for 50 AGAIN. 18 rebounds and 12 assists in that game too...

Followed it up with 27/10/6.

Probably tired in game 2, as they were on the same day, so I'll excuse not breaking 50 again. :joy:

Wow! Wins I hope?

dylans said:

Wow! Wins I hope?

Yep. College Park is currently 2-1 (I think) at the Washington TOC. The only other college level player they have is Shannon Scott who is a JUCO level guy.

I know they lost to EJ Liddell's team (Grimes had 23 in this one, didn't get much help), and have two wins. I believe these are all the games they have played so far but it can be difficult to find the info. Usually the box scores are incomplete too...they only bother posting up the stats for legit recruits.

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Final Score Uplift 83 Urbana 75
Markese Jacobs plays 2 quarters and leads all scorers with 37 for Uplift

Grimes is amazing, but he’ll be a oad. He states as much at the end of the video when he says he won’t play with Markese. No big surprise there. Jacobs looks nice, but Grimes stands out.

I've said before and I will say again, if Grimes was classified as a PG (his future NBA position), he would be one of the top 7 players in his class. As a 2 guard, you can understand why scouts are less high on him (he's only 6-4, which makes him a bit small as a prototype wing player). But if he's a PG, he's probably the #6 player in this class - he passes Quickley, Garland, and Jones because he's bigger, plus Bazley, Simons, Johnson, and Shittu based on the value of PG above non-elite PF and wings. He doesn't pass Barrett, Langford, Reddish, or Williamson because they are elite players, and doesn't pass Bol Bol because he's a C (and probably elite or very close to it).

Grimes is one fine player; however, he is so much taller and faster than the kids he is playing against that it is almost unfair; competition in college will be considerably better. Jacobs is also a very good player; 6 inches taller and he is a top 10 player.

He's a true combo, but I think his PG skills are getting better. Wouldn't surprise me to see him on the ball mostly when Dotson is out, plus Moore is more of a scoring guard. Jacobs is going to be really good too. Already has a great first step and has a great motor. Just needs to develop as a PG and get a more consistent jumper.

FarmerJayhawk said:

He's a true combo, but I think his PG skills are getting better. Wouldn't surprise me to see him on the ball mostly when Dotson is out, plus Moore is more of a scoring guard. Jacobs is going to be really good too. Already has a great first step and has a great motor. Just needs to develop as a PG and get a more consistent jumper.

Yeah, to me Jacobs is a guy that doesn't start year one but is a beast years 3-4.

Dotson will start next year but he has a ways to go on his shot.

Next year intrigues me in general. I would expect some early losses but by the end of the year we could be the best team.

41 for Grimes tonight.

2 games for Grimes today. 21 in a win and 38 in a loss.

Looks like Grimes continues to put up big numbers

BeddieKU23 said:

Looks like Grimes continues to put up big numbers

Yeah, in the 21 point game he also had 12 ast and 10 reb.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Looks like Grimes continues to put up big numbers

Yeah, in the 21 point game he also had 12 ast and 10 reb.

STUD

He has two more games today and it's been pretty easy to find his stats so I'll be sure to post them. It's been more difficult to find stats for McCormack as he doesn't have a twitter account and while I follow Oak Hill accounts they haven't been too active about it.

BShark said:

He has two more games today and it's been pretty easy to find his stats so I'll be sure to post them. It's been more difficult to find stats for McCormack as he doesn't have a twitter account and while I follow Oak Hill accounts they haven't been too active about it.

Yeah Big Dave is on a loaded team so I expect a lot of 12 & 7 type lines from him. With Keldon Johnson & Will Richardson Dave plays a complimentary role

32 and 20 pts in the games yesterday. College Park lost both.

Sounds like Grimes team isn't that great.

Having to sit through Q's painful pre-commit video it was clear it was Grimes and a bunch of dudes on his team

Pretty normal high school situation. The only other player that will play beyond HS is going to a Kansas JUCO.

Grimes had 27 points in a win last night. Back to playing TX HS competition.

@BShark

poster on phog went to the game, said he had to sit most of the 3rd with fouls. Took over the 4th for the win. Everyone that see's him has given a glowing report

Devon scored 23 for his teams 1st game over in China, did pretty well even though they lost - played the same organization they said that got into the brawl with George town in 2011 - - Bayi Rockers , still had a pretty decent game. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Devon and RJ Barrett going to square off Tomorrow for the championship in China. - -Wonder if they will run across Li Angelo or La Melo Ball lol. - -Anyways now being serious, they are matching up for the Championship tomorrow at 3:00 p.m.

Devon had a pretty damn good game scoring 33 points , 7 rebounds and 6 assists not a bad nights work - wishing you the best Devon let's do this - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Markese Jacobs 18 pts, 11 asts and 4 steals last game.

Grimes 24 points a couple days ago in a blowout win.

I was bummed when Grimes said he likely won’t be playing with Markese. I hope he shows out if he’s gonna be an oad.

dylans said:

I was bummed when Grimes said he likely won’t be playing with Markese. I hope he shows out if he’s gonna be an oad.

I hear ya. I don't think he is totally opposed to staying 2 years if need be. However even if he did stay, he wouldn't see the court too much with Markese. Markese is likely a kid that doesn't play too much as a FR. Barring rapid development anyway.

Markese 23 Pts, 4 Ast, 3 Stl

Dotson went for 29/10/7 today.

Grimes dropped 37 and did a thing.

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Grimes is filthy.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Grimes is filthy.

He also had a 360 dunk in this game.

He's Grimey.

Optimus Prime Grimes!

@BShark

Someone should have told that kid not to jump. That was an error in judgment.

Dotson didn't have the best game scoring 17 points on 5-16 shooting (7-11 from the line) 8 boards and 4 assists but his team won a rematch against a loaded Cox Mill team that includes 2018 UNC commit Rechon Black and 2019 UNC deathlock Wendell Moore Jr.

Moore is very, very good. UK and the good guys have offered and visited him but I don't see him leaving North Carolina. UK wasn't in his top 10 and still sent a coach recently, that's how good he is.

Devon does have a couple of D1-ish team mates. One is committed to Santa Clara and the other has offers from Drexel, Presbyterian etc...

@justanotherfan Maybe he wanted to be on a poster? Wrong side, but still a kids gotta have dreams. Lol

http://s3.amazonaws.com/vnn-aws-sites/9511/files/2017/12/535b33ec029bcc7c-Game-19-IMG-Academy-vs-Findlay-Prep.pdf ↗

Silvio and IMG took it to Bol Bol and Findlay Prep. Bol only took 3 shots!

Silvio will go up against Big Dave in the final. Game starts in 6 minutes, not sure if there is a stream.

@BShark

That is one short handed IMG Academy rotation, 12 minutes and 2 point from the only non-starter.

Silvio had 25 and 11. Oak Hill won by 2: http://s3.amazonaws.com/vnn-aws-sites/9511/files/2017/12/5947d3f1c6bfdde5-Game-30-National-Division-Championship-Game-IMG-Academy-vs-Oak-Hill.pdf ↗

Devon Dotson had 28 pts and 10 reb and Providence Day won the other final: http://s3.amazonaws.com/vnn-aws-sites/9511/files/2017/12/84eb17f04259a0cf-Game-31-American-Division-Championship-Game-Providence-Day-vs.-Gray-Collegiate.pdf ↗

@BShark

Thanks for the links, great information. IMG will really miss Silvio. Looks like all 3 KU signees had double doubles.

Sure thing. I know many people are interested but don't want to go looking for this stuff. Happy to help.

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Silvio and Dotson both won awards

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2 MVPs, awesome. KU’s 2018 class is scary good. Thanks again for the links.

Will Vick, Newman, Preston and Dok hang around to play with these newcomers? If 3 of the 4 do return, O Boy!

REHawk said:

Will Vick, Newman, Preston and Dok hang around to play with these newcomers? If 3 of the 4 do return, O Boy!

Think you can almost take it to the bank that - - Vick & Preston will not be back/ If Vick continues to progress through out the year, just don't think he will be back. Preston, I mean ya will him sitting out so long this year - -he could come back but - -will he? - -seriously doubt it

Newman? - -there is no way at this point is he ready for the NBA, - -BUT doesn't mean he will be back here.. I think if nothing else - -he goes over sea's and plays and see in a couple of years about testing the NBA.

Thinking Dok - -who knows. A couple of weeks ago I would of leaned more of him coming back, NOW with the way he has played the last 3 games looks like he is trending upwards in his progress I know we will here from people - - well none of these guys are even on projected draft boards. Hide and watch - -before it's said and done Vick's name will be there, actually YES it is on some projected boards already, I haven't looked myself but others have said he was.

As you know, we have heard the NBA drafts a lot off potential also. With Dok's physical presence there are a lot of NBA that would take a chance if he continues to improve that will take that chance , if nothing else because of his physical stature and potential. Dok is probably the most interesting out of these four I think.

The thing is even in I guess perfect scenario if you wanna call it that, there is no way ALL 4 of these guys would/could return, there just is not enough room available on the roster with the guys we have coming in and what we have returning. Just got to believe and he has made mention about how many we could be possibly be losing after this year - -but you just got to believe this was in the pitch when Coach Self was on the recruiting trail this year to some kind of degree anyways, I'm sure he was asked even a little about his thoughts on returning players from this squad. You just got to think possible this was brought pup when the recruitment of McCormack & De Sousa - - If they thought Dok was coming back it could of very well discouraged them with signing - - with him coming back and the Lawson's the front court is going to be deep. -- Both Lawson's - -De Sousa - -McCormick -- Lightfoot. - -There is a chance for Dok - -not saying there is not for sure.

I just think almost sure bets is Newman & Preston for sure will not be back - & Vick not to far behind that - - Dok is probably the best shot of any of the four coming back I think - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Doke needs one more year to learn basketball fundamentals and improve his athleticism. I would be shocked if Preston comes, back; in fact, he might bolt if he is not cleared by the time the Spring Semester starts. Newman’s plan (and his dad) has always been to be playing for money next season; at this point the NBA is not within reach so overseas is the more likely destination.

@jayballer54 I'm sending word to Dok that if he does not become a lottery pick by June, and I mean a high lottery pick like top 7-10 guaranteed, then he definitely should stay in Lawrence until May 2019. He could yet become a top 4 pick, once his play smooths and his free throw shooting stabilizes. We're talking about the difference in mucho millions of dollar bills. As for Newman, he and Dad must be squirming. If Self works either Preston or DeSousa into his lineups, I think Newman's scoring will climb statistically. Right now he is rebounding, learning to focus on improved defense, passing the ball. He might play overseas next season if they are in a rush to earn dollars; but I think it would behoove him to stick around, even if he eventually should become a key 6th man. With all these new extremely talented recruits on next season's horizon, we will need experienced guys to settle the mix.

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Doke needs one more year to learn basketball fundamentals and improve his athleticism. I would be shocked if Preston comes, back; in fact, he might bolt if he is not cleared by the time the Spring Semester starts. Newma's plan (and his dad) has always been to be playing for money next season; at this point the NBA is not within reach so overseas is the more likely destination.

Strongly agree with all of this. Doke as a JR would be pretty beast too...

After his 44 point outburst Grimes had 33 and 39 point games in the same tournament.

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6'2 '18 Devon Dotson (Providence Day/Kansas) had 35 points, 11 rebounds in win vs. Neumann-Goretti (PA) at the Hoodies House Tourney.

Grimes had 19 as his team lost by 2 in the runner up game at their recent tournament. Probably tired from scoring so much in three games yesterday. :joy:

Big Dave 19 and 10 today.

Grimes 23/9/9.

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He had 41 pts and 11 reb in that game.

Markese had 18 pts in a 71-53 win for Uplift last night.

I love this kid's swag. He is going to be Mason 2.0, or Reborn, or something. You name it, and it appears he will be pretty much what we need over the next year or two. Even Self himself, made the bold comparison to Collins, and Mason. I believe he is as tough/er than either other guard, and is equally talented, if not better. I'm really excited for this get.

Does anyone see a slight possibility of a redshirt for either Dotson or Markese? It's an interesting dilemma. Is it possible with Big Dave McCormack coming we could be a F4 contender for the next 1-3 years?

@BShark This is obviously a rising star playing among average to below average HS talent. But 41 pts is sick. I always temper those numbers a bit as they enter D1 elite play. But Young has proven a young frosh pg can make an immediate impact. The biggest part of Young's game is his IQ. It actually promotes his other obvious talents.

@hawkmoon2020 Optimus is right. This kid is going to be the cornerstone of the team. We've all been so focused on this year's drama, it's been hard to peek into next year.

Think about it...Dotson, Grimes, and McCormack? And this is just to name a few...add DeSousa, and the slight chance that Doke stays...YIKES.

truehawk93 said:

I love this kid's swag. He is going to be Mason 2.0, or Reborn, or something. You name it, and it appears he will be pretty much what we need over the next year or two. Even Self himself, made the bold comparison to Collins, and Mason. I believe he is as tough/er than either other guard, and is equally talented, if not better. I'm really excited for this get.

Does anyone see a slight possibility of a redshirt for either Dotson or Markese? It's an interesting dilemma. Is it possible with Big Dave McCormack coming we could be a F4 contender for the next 1-3 years?

Markese doesn't come until 2 years from now. He still might redshirt though.

Dotson will not redshirt he will be the starting PG next year.

truehawk93 said:

@BShark This is obviously a rising star playing among average to below average HS talent. But 41 pts is sick. I always temper those numbers a bit as they enter D1 elite play. But Young has proven a young frosh pg can make an immediate impact. The biggest part of Young's game is his IQ. It actually promotes his other obvious talents.

Grimes has really good vision and PG skills for his size. I think he could be a better version/what we were hoping for Selden. I don't think he at at the level of Young but he will also have more talent around him.

truehawk93 said:

@hawkmoon2020 Optimus is right. This kid is going to be the cornerstone of the team. We've all been so focused on this year's drama, it's been hard to peak into next year.

Think about it...Dotson, Grimes, and McCormack? And this is just to name a few...add DeSousa, and the slight chance that Doke stays...YIKES.

I think McCormack won't really contribute until year 2 and will be a great two way player year 3 and 4.

Next year is going to be so exciting. Dotson, Grimes, and McCormack? DeSousa? Sick. We even have an ever so slight chance of Doke for 1 more year? Also, I'm more convinced that we have a really good chance at Romeo. I'm almost convinced that he is in fact waiting on Vick. I really believe that if he was ready to commit to his top choice, he would've done it. I think he likes what is shaping in Lawrence next year.

Grimes will be the cornerstone.
Dotson will be the leader of the pack.
Big Dave and DeSousa will be huge in the lane. If Doke returns for 1 more little year, I think we just might be unstoppable.
Add Garrett's enormous experience as a soph, and it's going to be too FUN. I really wish to say more about Billy, but it's too hard to tell right now.

truehawk93 said:

Next year is going to be so exciting. Dotson, Grimes, and McCormack? DeSousa? Sick. We even have an ever so slight chance of Doke for 1 more year? Also, I'm more convinced that we have a really good chance at Romeo. I'm almost convinced that he is in fact waiting on Vick. I really believe that if he was ready to commit to his top choice, he would've done it. I think he likes what is shaping in Lawrence next year.

Grimes will be the cornerstone.
Dotson will be the leader of the pack.
Big Dave and DeSousa will be huge in the lane. If Doke returns for 1 more little year, I think we just might be unstoppable.
Add Garrett's enormous experience as a soph, and it's going to be too FUN.

Don't sleep on Dedric I think he will be our best player next year. I think Dedric will be offensive option 1A and Grimes 1B. Dotson might be a little wild at first like Frank but I think he will be a hell of a PG by the time it is all said and done. The one thing Dotson really needs to do is work on his jump shot. I think in fact that his jumper is what keeps him in Lawrence for multiple seasons. The good thing there is he will be surrounded by decent shooters (except Garrett) especially if KU gets Romeo who is a walking three point bucket. Drive and dish, drive and dish.

Doke coming back would be incredible.

@BShark The one advantage for DeSousa this year is that it will pay huge dividends for next year.

All I know is we deserve a break after this crazy year.

truehawk93 said:

@BShark The one advantage for DeSousa this year is that it will pay huge dividends for next year.

All I know is we deserve a break after this crazy year.

Absolutely. He will be much more ready to go and understand the schemes.

@BShark We are we with our schollies? Now we have DeSousa, unless he has a monster second half, which I doubt, he will likely take some paper.

Amen to Dedric. I'm hearing some really solid info. This kid is going to be some what like BMac in terms of sitting out. He's definitely going to make a big contribution next year. He brings a lot to what will be needed.

If Doke returns, your returners with Marcus and Dedric are going to be interesting pieces for these incoming freshmen. Can you imagine what Doke and Dedric will provide to the bigs? DeSousa is a bonus.

I really feel for Billy. But something tells me he will have a good career with or without KU. I know his heart was set on playing for KU. Well, it ain't over till it's over. Here's hoping someone at the ncaa has some heart, if not for KU, at least for a young player that fell victim to the stupid OAD rules.

truehawk93 said:

@BShark We are we with our schollies? Now we have DeSousa, unless he has a monster second half, which I doubt, he will likely take some paper.

Amen to Dedric. I'm hearing some really solid info. This kid is going to be some what like BMac in terms of sitting out. He's definitely going to make a big contribution next year. He brings a lot to what will be needed.

If Doke returns, your returners with Marcus and Dedric are going to be interesting pieces for these incoming freshmen. Can you imagine what Doke and Dedric will provide to the bigs? DeSousa is a bonus.

If Vick leaves, look for KU to add two guards/wings. Adding Romeo is ideal if he leaves. The other addition (or only addition if Vick stays) will be developmental. Keep an eye on this kid: https://247sports.com/player/ochai-agbaji-46042163 ↗

Norm saw him play about a week ago and he visited KU on his own dime today for the game. Doesn't have an offer yet, but he has been crushing the local KS competition and should be the KC metro player of the year. He would be a likely redshirt his first season while he develops.

Dedric has proven it at the D1 level. The American isn't an amazing league but averaging 20 and 10 is incredible, and he has a year off to work out and get better. Much like Newman's year at MSST was a cautionary tale for expecting him to be great, Dedric's play while at Memphis is exciting.

Devon Dotson 38 pts/8 reb/4 ast/4 stl and named mvp of the Big Apple Invitational.

BShark said:

Devon Dotson 38 pts/8 reb/4 ast/4 stl and named mvp of the Big Apple Invitational.

Killer line. So glad he's a future Hawk

Dotson 27 pts/12 reb/10 ast last game.

Grimes went for 45 pt/8reb.

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Markese had 28 pts in last game.

BShark said:

Dotson 27 pts/12 reb/10 ast last game.

Grimes went for 45 pt/8reb.

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If KU can win the the conference this year, it will be the most satisfying and, with all the talent coming, next year will be considerably easier.

Devon had a big game in front of Self and Norm last night. 34/8/5. Sounds like he was being double teamed a lot too.

Grimes 28/15/6 last night.

Casual 52 pts/8 rb from Grimes tonight.

Dotson 40/7/7 tonight.

Grimes 22/11/7 tonight.

BShark said:

Grimes 22/11/7 tonight.

Weak Sauce!!!

BShark said:

Dotson 40/7/7 tonight.

That's more like it!

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

Grimes 22/11/7 tonight.

Weak Sauce!!!

One of their random players (you think I'd remember their names after the commitment announcement but nah) had 31 pts and took a lot of shots lol.

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Is there another D1 recruit on Grimes' team? I know that Langford plays with a guy that has some mid and high major attention (Sean East), but I didn't realize there was also a guy on Grimes' team. In watching Grimes highlights, no other player has really stuck out to me.

I know about East because when you watch Langford highlights, you see another guy almost always in the middle of the action, so I looked him up to see if he was a JR or SR. He's a SR, probably headed for a midlevel D1 school (most likely in the MAC). At the HS level, though, two guys with D1 skills translates into a nasty one-two punch.

I haven't seen that in Grimes highlights

@justanotherfan Nope. The only player on his team that is playing beyond HS ball is going to a KS JUCO.

@BShark

That sounds about right in watching the highlights. Thanks for the info.

Markese had 22 pts 11 ast in a pretty big win for Uplift last night.

Ochai had 27 tonight and hit a game winning free throw.

Grimes 31/13/5 last night.

Dotson 32/6/5 last night.

BShark said:

Ochai had 27 tonight and hit a game winning free throw.

David McCormack is averaging 12.8 pts, 9.2 boards, 1.3 blks, 1.3 steals, 64% FG, 65% FT's.

He's #3 or 4th option at Oak Hill with their perimeter shot happy guys (UK & Oregon Commits).

I'd take those numbers at KU in 2-3 years any day!

BeddieKU23 said:

David McCormack is averaging 12.8 pts, 9.2 boards, 1.3 blks, 1.3 steals, 64% FG, 65% FT's.

He's #3 or 4th option at Oak Hill with their perimeter shot happy guys (UK & Oregon Commits).

I'd take those numbers at KU in 2-3 years any day!

Thanks for posting. He isn't on twitter at all so it can be hard to find individual game stats for him. It also doesn't help that he has a common name. You'd think a school like Oak Hill would just tweet out stats but not really, it's a lot easier when the player (like Dotson and Grimes) tweet or retweet it.

Definitely good numbers. Being in a situation where there are 3 guards/wings going to high level D1 ball means not many shots.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

David McCormack is averaging 12.8 pts, 9.2 boards, 1.3 blks, 1.3 steals, 64% FG, 65% FT's.

He's #3 or 4th option at Oak Hill with their perimeter shot happy guys (UK & Oregon Commits).

I'd take those numbers at KU in 2-3 years any day!

Thanks for posting. He isn't on twitter at all so it can be hard to find individual game stats for him. It also doesn't help that he has a common name. You'd think a school like Oak Hill would just tweet out stats but not really, it's a lot easier when the player (like Dotson and Grimes) tweet or retweet it.

Definitely good numbers. Being in a situation where there are 3 guards/wings going to high level D1 ball means not many shots.

I used http://www.prepcircuit.com/ ↗ to find his stats. Saw in phog post about Sunrise Christian, saw they played Oak Hill and wanted to see how Dave did. Found my way to this useful site.

I agree he's already in a role where he's getting rotational usage. I think he's going to be a very good 4 year player by the end of his career

@BeddieKU23 That site is nice! All of Dave’s individual game stats (and most everyone else KU recruits). Very cool. It looks like Big Dave is very consistent in the 10-15 ppg with a couple duds (2,6) and a couple of big games (20,23). Consistency would be nice, it generally means a consistent motor.

That's pretty great. I had been digging around Max Preps but they hide the box scores behind a pay wall and I am absolutely not paying for HS basketball stats. Even funnier knowing that there is a site that puts them out there for free.

dylans said:

@BeddieKU23 That site is nice! All of Dave’s individual game stats (and most everyone else KU recruits). Very cool. It looks like Big Dave is very consistent in the 10-15 ppg with a couple duds (2,6) and a couple of big games (20,23). Consistency would be nice, it generally means a consistent motor.

Definitely a good site.

Dave has some pretty decent post moves already and he's a big body so that's going to help him. Defensively Oak Hill plays a lot of zone so he's not getting a ton of exposure guarding pick and roll etc. I think his defense will be a struggle the first year. He's had some matchups against some really good players and struggled. But if you look back to AAU where he also faced top competition and was MVP of his championship team he was a pretty dominate force. That made KU push for him and secure his signing. Definitely helps him that he's played against some very good teams/players for years

Markese 21 points in a tough loss to Simeon. Simeon has multiple D1 level guys including Talen Horton-Tucker who is gonna be a real problem at ISU.

Grimes played a game tonight and his team won their district. When I see stats from that game I will post.

Grimes 21 and 11.

Ochai went off tonight for 41 points and didn't play the 4th quarter.

He will be in Lawrence on Monday for the Oklahoma game

Grimes hand 26 points and 11 rebounds for his game last night

Dotson had 26 pts in a come from behind playoff win. They were down 54-45 just a minute into the 4th quarter and won 63-60.

“I just wanted to do it all on the defensive end, lock in on every possession and give it my all, and we came out with a team win.” quote from Dotson

That quote right there...Self is gonna like him lol.

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Grimes 14/10/10 in a playoff win last night. I tried to get a box score but could not find it. Grimes did hit two free throws at the end to seal the game.

Edit: Found a solid write-up of the game https://www.yourconroenews.com/neighborhood/moco/sports/article/BOYS-HOOPS-College-Park-holds-on-to-beat-North-12628915.php?utm_campaign=twitter-desktop&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social ↗

Markese Jacobs for the season averaged 18.4 ppg, 2.6 spg and 3.1 apg.

@BShark I just wish we had the opportunity to play overseas again this summer. I'd love to see a little preview of this team.

@Kcmatt7 It's going to be a long offseason.

@BShark Not if KU's playing in April! I'd float for a month before the reality of no basketball sets in. 😜

Markese Jacobs had 19 pts in a playoff win last night.

Markese 35 pts 16 asts in a playoff win.

Quentin Grimes 25 pts 7 reb 6 asts 4 bks 4 stls but in a playoff loss. Wasn't that close either.

Dotson 27 pts in a playoff loss. Was the semi-final game.

Jacobs gonna get KU a title. Dude is a winner

Quentin Grimes ends his high school career with 2,863 points, 590 assists and 854 rebounds.

Big Dave 17 and 12 in his last game. Averaging 13 and 10 for the year. 1.3 blk and 1.8 fouls per game. Shooting 65% from the floor and the ft line. From what I have seen he has a good feel for the game. The kind of smart and tough post player that Self loves.

BShark said:

Quentin Grimes ends his high school career with 2,863 points, 590 assists and 854 rebounds.

wowzer numbers

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Big Dave 17 and 12 in his last game. Averaging 13 and 10 for the year. 1.3 blk and 1.8 fouls per game. Shooting 65% from the floor and the ft line. From what I have seen he has a good feel for the game. The kind of smart and tough post player that Self loves.

Agree, Oak Hill plays zone so it limits his defensive exposure some. I can see defensive rotations being a big struggle for him like most bigs early on. I do like his touch inside and BBIQ. Hope there is some minutes for him next season although it looks mighty crowded..

Yeah Grimes is a natural scorer and also has great vision and understanding of the game. He is our best guard prospect in awhile (counting Wiggs and Josh as wings).

I don't expect too much from McCormack next year and it is doubly true if Doke returns. He is that kind of post player that hangs around, develops and later in his career gives you a very stable 12-15 ppg and 9-12 rpg. Reliable.

Big Dave 14 and 13 tonight.

Kinda hope McCormack redshirts if Dok comes back. I’d love to have him for 5, as unlikely as it may be.

Kcmatt7 said:

Jacobs gonna get KU a title. Dude is a winner

Just had 23 points in a tough OT playoff loss. Didn't see anyone that posted assist stats. This is the same Orr team that played tough with an absolutely loaded Simeon team for the Chicago city title a few days ago, so they are pretty good.

McCormack 14 and 12 tonight. He seems consistent.

http://naismithtrophy.com/2018-naismith-high-school-all-american-teams/ ↗

Grimes 2nd team.

Langford 1st team.

Grimes Texas Gatorade POTY. Back to back recruits for KU that won that.

Naismith 2018 High School All-Americans: FIRST TEAM: - RJ Barrett (POY) - Cam Reddish - Zion Williamson - Bol Bol - Romeo Langford SECOND TEAM: - Vernon Carey - Quentin Grimes - Keldon Johnson - Tre Jones - Nassir Little

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Big Dave made the US hoop summit team. Wow.

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Big Dave made the US hoop summit team. Wow.

Good for him. Hope to see him have a good showing

@BeddieKU23 Pretty loaded team. Not a lot of bigs though so he should have a really solid shot to get pt when a big post is needed.

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Grimes is pretty good.

@BShark

Just a tad good I'd say

@BeddieKU23 I'm seeing nothing but positives on Grimes and Dotson from people reporting.

Grimes is the most talented incoming guard KU has had in the Self era. He can do it all. Pure scorer. Has a great knack for distributing. Has the athleticism to defend. Can slide over to point because he has the handle. Has the size to move to the wing if necessary. KU hasn't had a guy like this coming in since probably Paul Pierce. KU is in the middle of a special run right now, but has a chance to have a special season next year, too. But this is Kansas, so that's what happens.

@BShark

Sounds like Big Dave has moved up since picking KU.

I love Big Dave long term. He's going to have a tough transition defensively for a while. Oak Hill played zone so KU principles will be a big learning curve for him. Hope he finds a way into some games because he will be mighty important in years 2-4

@BeddieKU23 The good news for KU is that he shouldn't be needed for big minutes next year. I hope he is okay with that though as like you I think he will be a very nice player for KU in time.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/video/quentin-grimes-talks-kansas-at-mcdonalds-aa-game/ ↗

Bossi said Dotson looks like the best PG at MCDAA. Grimes a bit quiet. McCormack fantastic motor/effort.

https://kansas.247sports.com/Article/McDs-Practice-Notes-Standouts-116761165 ↗

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Rivals has Agbaji ranked #141 in their update. First of many I'm assuming

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Rivals has Agbaji ranked #141 in their update. First of many I'm assuming

Yeah even if they didn't see much of him he will get a bump from the KU commitment + loads of other high major offers.

Agbaji composite #173 after his rivals update. I don't believe 247 has re-evaluated him yet. I'd imagine he goes up 40-50 more spots

ESPN final updated rankings

Grimes #8

Dotson # 22

McCormack #25

Agbaji- unknown to ESPN still

Romeo #5

BeddieKU23 said:

ESPN final updated rankings

Grimes #8

Dotson # 22

McCormack #25

Agbaji- unknown to ESPN still

Romeo #5

As usual Rivals is better at their job than ESPN. No surprise. Dave a bit high here imo, Dotson a little low and having Agbaji not ranked seems like an oversight.

Not just KU recruits either. Jalen Smith is a good player but #10? Kevin Porter way too low.

Grimes mocking at #6 in next year's draft makes it seem unlikely he'll be a multi-year player. We'll see if he plays up to the lofty projections they are making for him.

@BeddieKU23 I think he is the real deal- be pretty well assumed that he will be a OAD for sure - The NBA people love him. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

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Grimes mocking at #6 in next year's draft makes it seem unlikely he'll be a multi-year player. We'll see if he plays up to the lofty projections they are making for him.

He wants to be OAD. If he will be lottery he should absolutely go. Just plug in RJ Hampton for him. Boom.

Ryan Noel mentioned over on the Phog that Devon Dotson has the staff the most excited to land a (presumably guard) recruit since Mason.

Dotson can do all of the things Self likes about a PG. He can get to the rim basically whenever he wants. He's stronger than he looks. He knows how to get his teammates involved and can organize the offense.

And now he's going to be surrounded by more top shelf talent than he's ever had at his disposal as a PG.

In his highlights you often see him having to slow down to get his teammates involved. That's not going to be the case with Grimes, the Lawson brothers, Moore, Agbaji, Lightfoot, etc. He will be able to turn on the afterburners without overrunning his teammates. We have not seen the best of Devon Dotson yet.

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@Crimsonorblue22 He's gonna be REAL fun to watch.

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Just wait til he does that in a packed AFH.