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FIBU U18 Self/Manning/Grimes
Jun 10, 2018 01:14 PM #1

The usab.com website shows our guys play the Dominican Republic Sunday at 5pm Central, then we play Panama at 7:15pm Central on Monday. It doesn't indicate that the games will be broadcast anywhere. The game isn't shown on ESPN 3. FIBA on you tube looks promising, but I don't see Sunday's game.

If anyone locates the games, please post viewing instructions. I'm ready to fly to Buffalo, Uber to Canada with my Iphone and put the game on Facebook. Boy do I miss KU basketball this time of year.

Jun 10, 2018 01:36 PM #2

It says it will go live on facebook and the fiba youtube. I'll post a live link when there is one.

Jun 10, 2018 03:56 PM #3

@BShark Thanks. I think I've found the tournament's broadcast on youtube by searching FIBA. I'm watching the beginning of the Chile v. Ecuador game, so I hope the USA game will work as well at 5 Central.

Jun 10, 2018 04:05 PM #4

@stoptheflop The US game is supposed to be on that channel as well.

Jun 10, 2018 04:53 PM #5

Try this link... ↗

Jun 10, 2018 05:07 PM #6

Facebook is the devil. I remember when companies had to pay for marketing information ha. Social media is a great deception.

Youtube link to the current game.

Jun 10, 2018 09:51 PM #7
Jun 10, 2018 10:41 PM #8

Poor game from Grimes and JRE so far.

Jun 10, 2018 10:47 PM #9

Ayo looks better than Grimes. :shrug:

Jun 10, 2018 11:14 PM #10

Grimes had sweet pass

Jun 10, 2018 11:17 PM #11

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Grimes had sweet pass

Two in a row, though second one didn't get finished. Looking a bit better in this half.

Jun 10, 2018 11:17 PM #12

Let's get Anthony

Jun 10, 2018 11:18 PM #13

How many guys r gonna fall over the signs?

Jun 10, 2018 11:22 PM #14

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Let's get Anthony

Duke...

Jun 10, 2018 11:28 PM #15

He signed?

Jun 10, 2018 11:35 PM #16

@Crimsonorblue22 He will. If it's not Duke (unlikely) it will be Oregon. Nike won't let him end up in Lawrence.

Jun 10, 2018 11:38 PM #17

Great to by self!

Jun 10, 2018 11:38 PM #18

@BShark Nova really in on Cole too. Also a loooong way to go. Doesn’t really talk about recruiting.

Nifty hi lo from Hurt to JRE. Sign of things to come? 😉

Jun 10, 2018 11:38 PM #19

JRE HURT TWO MAN GAME. GLIMPSE OF THE FUTURE?

Jun 10, 2018 11:40 PM #20

This Dom Rep team is bad.

Wonder why Calipari isn't still coaching them. :thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking::thinking:

Jun 10, 2018 11:41 PM #21

You mean, not coaching them

Jun 10, 2018 11:41 PM #22

Where did the chubby boy go?

Jun 10, 2018 11:43 PM #23

Where's makey going?

Jun 10, 2018 11:43 PM #24

White?

Jun 10, 2018 11:44 PM #25

@Crimsonorblue22 Maxey UK

White UNC

Jun 10, 2018 11:45 PM #26

Soriano for Dom Rep might not end up at Fordham if he keeps showing this well, but he is currently committed to them.

Jun 10, 2018 11:51 PM #27

Rocket Watts has a very appropriate name.

Jun 11, 2018 12:44 AM #28

So what time do we play tomorrow? - - - Hurt looked good - really carried the USA in the 1st quarter - quiet after that but wasn't a must. - -got a couple of blocks like 7-8 rebounds.

Robinson had a fair game - - better late -

Grimes not much but looks like a pretty balanced team. - We shall see what tomorrow brings

Jun 11, 2018 12:55 AM #29

@BShark yes, Maxey

Jun 11, 2018 12:59 AM #30

JRE better on O, footwork bad on D. That'll change at KU. Grimes, like most of them, tried to do to much. Started moving the ball and playing D, got to run the floor, looked much better then.

Jun 11, 2018 11:05 AM #31

@jayballer73 Team USA plays Panama at 7:15 Central Monday.

Jun 11, 2018 12:32 PM #32

stoptheflop said:

@jayballer73 Team USA plays Panama at 7:15 Central Monday.

Thanks I appreciate that. I knew someone could tell me. - -I assuming I can watch the game off the same link as yesterday. ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Jun 11, 2018 06:49 PM #33

Really sad ya , ya , ya, I know save it I already know there are some here asking the million dollar question - or making their comments " YES " I trolled the Kentucky boards today - -WHY? - because I can - -that's why - - anyways just like I thought and verified - they all crying about Self and saying such things as OH love how Self has his recruits on the team - - Hurt - - Earle - & the Grimes , then they follow up by saying wish Coach Cal could do things like that , but were talking Self. - -it's borderline historical. - what people don't understand is that Coach Self was only 1/12th of choosing the team there was a 12 man board - - NOT just Coach Self

Jun 11, 2018 07:26 PM #34

@jayballer73 Guess they forgot when Cal coached the Dominican Republic team to secure KAT errrrr I mean OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF HIS HEART.

Jun 11, 2018 07:53 PM #35

What heart?

Jun 12, 2018 12:34 AM #36

Panama is really bad. Honestly feel sorry for the kids.

Jun 12, 2018 12:54 AM #37

@BShark Bill's USA team has some tough opposition coming up, so I think it's great the guys get to play loose tonight. This gives the coaches time to work on some sets.

Jun 12, 2018 01:46 AM #38

@BShark Ya , I know right? - -that's was crossing my mind too

Jun 12, 2018 01:49 AM #39

Not really much you can say about a game like this to night, it was actually pretty sad , mercy those poor kids. - -Even Robinson Earle 13 rebounds not sure how much stock you can put into that - yet still pretty balanced scoring- - lot of lay ups - - -lot of Dunks , Hurt didn't look to bad tonight again hit some three's - -missed some too but has shown for sure that he can hit the 3. - -Puerto Rico tomorrow just not sure of time

Jun 12, 2018 02:09 AM #40

45-0 run to start the game...if you can even call it a game. 118-26 final score.

Jun 12, 2018 11:21 AM #41

@JayHawkFanToo Despite the lack of competition from Panama, I still enjoyed watching the athleticism of the USA players. USA plays Puerto Rico today at 6. This game will show us if our young guys have the discipline to play as a team or if it will continue to be me first players. I still prefer to watch basketball to the MLB.

Jun 12, 2018 11:32 AM #42

I quit watching pretty quickly. The game today should be more interesting.

Jun 12, 2018 01:47 PM #43

The Puerto Rico game actually starts at 5pm Central. All these games are available to watch anytime on the FIBU website on youtube.

Jun 12, 2018 03:31 PM #44

Panama just had no matchups for this game. Lacked size. Lacked athleticism. Lacked shooting.

The Panama team was really an average local high school varsity team playing a national all star team.

You can't learn much from a game like this.

Jun 12, 2018 03:44 PM #45

@justanotherfan

I really felt bad for the Panamanian team. Some of the smaller countries should really reconsider sending teams to competitions of this level. Yes, it is an experience for the kids but not necessarily a good one as the team was truly embarrassed by a much superior opponent; hopefully they will do better against weaker competition.

Jun 12, 2018 03:50 PM #46

@JayHawkFanToo

Its tough for the smaller countries.

They just don't have the infrastructure to build a strong team at the lower levels. However, they can't build that infrastructure without sending teams to the competitions.

Think of it this way.

Let's say a local HS has a weak basketball program. Their varsity routinely gets blown out. It won't strengthen their program if they disband their freshman and JV teams. In fact, it will basically guarantee that they will continue to struggle.

Yes, their freshman and JV teams will probably also get blown out, but if they build those programs, they can eventually go from being terrible to being middle of the road over time. Maybe they don't have the talent to become state contenders, but they can win 8 or 9 games a year.

That's where Panama is. Their senior national team isn't very strong, but the only way to strengthen it is to build a strong program at the U16 and U18 levels. Once those guys start graduating to the senior team, perhaps Panama becomes a better team. But it starts at the lower levels.

Jun 12, 2018 03:56 PM #47

@JayHawkFanToo Basketball isn't a priority sport in Panama. It's at best the 3rd most popular sport behind soccer then baseball.

It's same issue with soccer in this country. Soccer is at best the 4th most popular sport in this country which is why the US has always struggled to compete against world powers and and significant factor in why the US failed to qualify for the World Cup this year.

Basketball just isn't a priority sport in Panama like soccer or baseball is there. Until that changes, very doubtful, Panama will never improve in basketball.

Jun 12, 2018 05:18 PM #48

@Texas-Hawk-10

Agreed with the popularity of basketball in Panama. Disagree with the status of soccer here. The US has been consistently ranked in the top 25 in the world (currently 25th in the FIFA rankings out of 206 national teams) for a while now and the women's national team is ranked #1 in the world now. The failure to make it to the current World Cup is not because of a lack of talent but because of the politics in USA soccer that have kept some of the better players off the national team. It started when Jurgen Klinsmann was hired as coach and started to bring German/Euro players playing in Europe who could also claim American citizenship instead of selecting and rewarding local talent and it came to a head when he cut Landon Donovan from the team, a player that was still not only very capable and experienced at national and international levels but had also been the leader of the team for many years. The team did not qualify for the current edition of the World Cup for the first time in a long time.

More kids 6-17 play soccer now than any other sport. The Sporting KC sells out the stadium for every game and the tickets are not cheap either. The MSL is doing very well.

Enough of soccer, back to basketball...

Jun 12, 2018 06:16 PM #49

@JayHawkFanToo If you think US soccer politics are a hoot try France or Spain.

Overall the US system just isn't good enough yet, needs more time.

Jun 12, 2018 06:23 PM #50

@JayHawkFanToo

Women's soccer succeeds here in the US because, among girls, soccer is one of the most popular sports. As one of the most popular sports in the US among girls, the best female athletes in the US grow up playing soccer, softball, or basketball, then select whichever one they are best at as they get older. In a country the size of the US, that is a recipe for dominance. The US is #1 in the world in women's basketball, softball and consistently 1 or 2 in soccer.

For men's sports, soccer lags behind football, basketball, baseball, and in many places hockey. That means the most athletic boys grow up playing other sports. As a result, US soccer teams usually don't have the type of athletes, the physically coordinated, fast, quick, explosive, elusive athletes with great coordination, balance and agility that are most successful in soccer, on the field because those kids are playing wide receiver, or running back, or center field, or shooting guard.

This is shifting as football's popularity as a youth sport continues to decline. More kids are playing soccer, which means better athletes are playing soccer, which will eventually mean better US teams playing soccer on the world stage. Just not yet.

Jun 12, 2018 07:38 PM #51

Soccer in America is already well established and doing well and continues to grow and the level is very good. Look at the record against Mexico, the strongest team on North American and a traditional top 10-15 world power, it is 33–18–14 (W–L–T) overall in Mexico's favor; however, during the last 18 years the record is 13–6–5 (W–L–T) in favor of the US including a win at Azteca Stadium where the US had never beat Mexico before...this is real progress.

Since 1990, US has qualified for the World Cup 7 times in a row and has been ranked in the top 25 every time except 1 and as high as #8. No question that the US was a legitimate top 20 team until this upcoming tournament. Here is a summary...

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The other thing that US is doing that is different than the rest of the world is using very young players (early 20s) and dismissing the older players (late 20s and older). Look at the top 100 players in the world ↗ and you will see that the majority are over 30 years, same thing with most national teams.

Jun 12, 2018 07:41 PM #52

@JayHawkFanToo What does the US FIFA rankings (a complete joke by the way) have to do with how popular soccer is here in the US? I live in a city with an NFL, NBA, MLB, and MLS team. Texans are by far the number 1 team in the city followed by the Astros, then the Rockets, then the Dynamo lag well behind those three despite being the most successful team of the 4 since moving to Houston in 2006 having won two MLS Cups, and playing for 2 other MLS Cups and being playoff regulars. They're still 4th in Houston despite the huge Hispanic population here where soccer is the top sport.

The Dynamo are one of the teams that in theory should be a bigger draw than they are giving the historic success of the franchise and the demographics of the city, but I've been to plenty of games where it's been about 60% capacity in an 18,000 seat stadium because people still care far more about the other 3 pro teams in the city.

Jun 12, 2018 07:48 PM #53

@justanotherfan And it's not just the quality of players, it's the coaching too.

When the old North American Soccer League started about 50 years ago, it inspired a number of ex-pat Brits and others to start up youth leagues in many cities including Kansas City. Trouble is, not enough of them had high-level coaching experience.

It's like a Panamanian basketball fan deciding to become a coach, and then going up against Bill Self.

It takes several generations to catch up with the established soccer powers. Even China, with its massive population and big money salaries to domestic league players, isn't anywhere close to the US...not on the men's side anyway.

Jun 12, 2018 07:53 PM #54

@Texas-Hawk-10

My post was response to your statement:

It’s same issue with soccer in this country. Soccer is at best the 4th most popular sport in this country which is why the US has always struggled to compete against world powers and and significant factor in why the US failed to qualify for the World Cup this year.

The fist part is correct (but changing) the second is not. I wrote the reason why the US did not qualify for the current cup and now competes with the world power and has recent wins against England, Germany and Italy among others. more kids 6-17 are now playing soccer than any other sport and its popularity is only going to increase. Just my opinion, obviously, but with lots of stat to back it up.

Now, back to basketball...

Jun 12, 2018 08:05 PM #55

@Texas-Hawk-10 FIFA finally changed and is switching to elo.

Jun 12, 2018 10:43 PM #56

Wonder who gets to sit in the recliners? I can see sz in one, oh yeah, 👋👋👋

Jun 13, 2018 12:24 AM #57

Well just some random thoughts after watching our USA team pretty much man handle Puerto Rico tonight 115-71.

!st : thing is , I like Matthew Hurt before these games , now after watching these first three games? - - Man I want this kid , would be really sweet to land him , 12 points again tonight , ya not staggering but when you think we don't need a single dominant player in these games. Such balance on this USA team. Hurt has a nice 3 pt shot , can block some shots - -rebounds. I'm just really impressed more now then I was before. - - I had been hearing we are in the lead for him - - - Then I read of the UK Board that said one insider said that KU was in the lead but they thought UK was going to be KU's biggest challenge. Right now hurt says that Duke - - -Kentucky - - UCLA - --N Carolina - - KU - - Memphis - - Indiana - - Louisville- - - & Minnesota were the one's recruiting him the hardest. - - - Wants to be able to cut list down to 8-10 by the end of the summer. - -Hoping to be able to make a decision by November, gonna take his 5 official visits. - -Then while I was watching the game from a person that was in a group discussion they said they has heard that Indiana was in the lead for him - -I call BS on that one.

2nd: - - Robinson Earle has been looking pretty good. - - like 13 points and 10 rebounds today. Again with him being in state I feel we got to land this kid , pretty solid had a couple of monster flushes tonight , really goes to the boards - kind of that dirty work player , hustles like his looks. - -Here again have heard that we were pretty solid with him and then yet I heard even think it was here possibly that N Carolina had made a really big push for him and now was in a pretty solid position for him. - -I think we need to land this kid in our own back yard.

3rd: - -Quentin Grimes - -has look pretty good driving the ball pretty steady on the defensive end BUT the thing is this youngin has got some work to do shooting the ball from distance. - -I've watched all 3 games and he needs lots of repetition shooting from the outside. We really need him to be able to hit the J on a fairly consistant basis. - -Hasn't looked real good. - - Not bad , but could for sure improve - -needs to take these summer months and work on that part of his game - -we gonna need that from him - -help keep the defense from other teams honest.

Bottom line is guys -- man I sure hope we land these two - - Hurt - -Earle - I know their pretty high priority these are the types we really need to land - -can't lose out on. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Jun 13, 2018 02:17 AM #58

@jayballer73

A lot of US players have complained in the past about the FIBA ball and that it has a different texture. That may be affecting Grimes shot in game. His shot and mechanics looked good in HS. Its definitely something to watch.

Jun 13, 2018 02:31 AM #59

I can't remember which of our guys, but somebody said they liked that ball. Maybe from the world games? By the way, I'm watching the West Virginia KU game at AFH, from this past year. I was there, awesome! Espnu

Jun 13, 2018 03:33 AM #60

@justanotherfan

He did score 20 points so hard to complain. He did have a decent form in HS so I imagine his shot will get better even when he is really at his best when driving inside.

Jun 13, 2018 10:48 AM #61

@jayballer73

I wouldn't worry too much about Grimes shot. He was 39% in High School on over 200 attempts this past season. He'll be one of our best shooters, if not the best.

Hurt is a very skilled player. You can see he lacks top end athleticism but he's everything you want in a 4 man otherwise. His lack of athleticism could keep him in College multiple years.

Very impressed with Robinson-Earl. He's not a prospect we can let get by.

This is basically free recruiting for Self with Hurt/JRE etc. Other coaches have benefited in the past from it. Bamba went to Texas for example because of the relationship Smart had with him from Team USA ball.. That's the type of benefit Self can get from this.

Let me put it this way if Hurt & JRE choose another school after being coached by Self this summer I'd have to question why they were ever interested in KU before. If this doesn't sell them to be coached be a HOF'er I don't know what will.

Jun 13, 2018 11:59 AM #62

I've enjoyed watching the FIBA U18 games. The one thing that I've noticed about Grimes is his size; on the defensive switches he's strong enough that he plays solid defense in the paint against bigger players. Whereas Garrett is slender, Grimes is stronger and is physical on defense. On offense, I like that Grimes looks for multiple ways to score like Malik Newman. I'm looking forward to the game with Canada.

Jun 13, 2018 01:51 PM #63

@BeddieKU23 I agree with you on Hurt. - -A friend and I were talking last night and I said to him cause he also talked about him not being the most athletic - -which is quite possibly true. However like I told him he is not a guy that is going to wow you , yet having said that he is just very solid pretty consistent. - -I like his outside J - has shown in these games that he can hit the three, rebounds the ball pretty well, seems to have pretty decent handle seen him leading the fast break a couple of times dribbling the ball down the floor even though that's not what we need from a big man lol.

Totally agree with Earle. - -We just flat plain and simple can not afford to let a recruit of this type t get away from us right in our own back yard. I really - - really like him seems like he really likes hitting the glass - -he to me is a type of dirty work player scrapping for everything and gets quite a bit. I WANT HIM - - hope we land both. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Jun 13, 2018 02:44 PM #64

@jayballer73

The biggest issue I see with landing both JRE & Hurt is they play the same position. We'll see how it plays out. JRE I've believed has been a silent commit since last year. I can't imagine at the end of the day him going somewhere else. We talk about pressure kids have to stay local when KU is recruiting Out of State kids and how often we lose those battles because of it. This is an example of a prospect KU has been on for years with as good of a connection as you can get. Crazier things have happened but I can't imagine he's seriously entertaining leaving KS.

Hurt seems like one of the top 3 targets for Self/KU. The Memphis coaching change threw a curveball in his recruitment. I know Duke & Indiana among others will press still as well. Being coached by Self is as good of an advantage as we are going to gain in this one. His father is involved, we know how those situations can get. I wouldn't be surprised to see him wait until spring.

Jun 13, 2018 02:46 PM #65

@stoptheflop

Grimes size definitely stands out at the guard position. Self could definitely trot out 3 ball handlers in Dotson/Grimes/Garrett. Dedric is skilled with the ball as well, underrated passer. Those 4 with Doke could be a very advantageous lineup and KU's best 5 by season's end

Jun 13, 2018 02:55 PM #66

@BeddieKU23 They both play the same position? - are you absolute sure on that? - you could very easily be right it's just from what I've seen in these games is that Earle has been playing exclusive in the middle - - -at the 5 - while Hurt has been out on the floor. - At least the times when they have been on the floor together which has been quite a bit actually - -actually even when Hurt hasn't been in I've seen Earle playing the 5 but could quite possibly be wrong.
I bet Coach Self could make it work , That could be why I've been seeing what I've seen. Coach maybe showing them how they could play together at the same time. - -I don't know - All I know is I would love to have them both lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Jun 13, 2018 04:15 PM #67

@BeddieKU23 I could see 4 guards and Dedric too. Moore, Dotson, grimes and Garrett.

Jun 13, 2018 04:15 PM #68

Grimes is a strong and a good rebounding guard, got some ups too.

Jun 13, 2018 04:59 PM #69

@jayballer73

Yeah in Team USA ball Self is getting away with JRE at the 5 right now. I don't think its the position he'll play in College though. I was also projecting that if McCormack is our starting 5 man in the 19/20 season there's only 1 spot available to start. I'm sure both of them want to land in situations with a chance to start. That's not including what could happen with KJ Lawson, Lightfoot & De Sousa who could all be back after next year as well. We'll see on that front. So the further you look into it, how does Self convince them both to sign when both would likely be coming into situations where they are competing against each other or against veteran KU players. A lot of unknowns. Not sure we can sign both in November if both go that route. I think there's a chance Hurt goes spring but we'll see

Jun 13, 2018 05:03 PM #70

@BeddieKU23 Either is a really nice fit with McCormack. Both look like multiple year guys too. Would be great to get both.

Jun 13, 2018 05:07 PM #71

@BShark

It would be great to get both. How likely that happens is anyone's guess. A big advantage to Self here getting to coach them in the middle of their recruitments.

Jun 13, 2018 05:09 PM #72

@BeddieKU23 I would agree it's not going to be an easy sell. You have to convince one to be a back-up. For the first time in their life probably.

Jun 13, 2018 05:16 PM #73

If I had to pick 1, it'd be JRE. He's got a great feel for reading boards. Hurts a great 3 pt shooter, maybe we just haven't seen that side of JRE, yet.

Jun 13, 2018 05:20 PM #74

When's the game today?

Jun 13, 2018 05:24 PM #75

Crimsonorblue22 said:

When's the game today?

No game today. Kids get the day off. Next team USA game is 4pm CST tomorrow.

Jun 13, 2018 05:58 PM #76

As always thx!

Jun 13, 2018 06:08 PM #77

Both JRE and Hurt are natural college PFs but I have seen a few publications that list Hurt as a SF. I will guess that Hurt can play SF or stretch PF in college. Big Dave and Hurt would be a nice front line with Big Dave staying inside and Hurt stepping out to hit the 3.

Jun 13, 2018 07:29 PM #78

I don’t want Hurt playing much, if any 3 in college because I don’t think he can guard smaller wings. Ideally we’d have Hurt at the 4 and Silvio or Dave at the 5, with JRE being the first big off the bench.

Jun 14, 2018 11:09 AM #79

USA v Ecuador at 5PM Central Thursday.

Jun 14, 2018 08:40 PM #80

So which is it - - do we play at 4 - -or do we play at 5 today?

Jun 14, 2018 08:45 PM #81

I heard 4?

Jun 14, 2018 08:46 PM #82

@FarmerJayhawk I read where Self called Hurt an athletic guard. 🤔

Jun 14, 2018 09:12 PM #83

@jayballer73 it's not on, must be 5

Jun 14, 2018 10:15 PM #84

@jayballer73 is your channel in Spanish?

Jun 14, 2018 10:16 PM #85

@Crimsonorblue22 English channel here

Jun 14, 2018 10:21 PM #86

@BShark got it, kinda slow!

Jun 14, 2018 10:25 PM #87

ground breaking analysis: Ecuador is not good

Jun 14, 2018 10:29 PM #88

@BShark thought u were going to say that about me being slow!🤣

Jun 14, 2018 11:29 PM #89

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@jayballer73 is your channel in Spanish?

It was at first. Then I back out and connected again it was English. - I was thinking what the hell lol

Jun 14, 2018 11:36 PM #90

Thank GOD. - -tomorrow things will be much better competition. I think we play Argentina. - These games have just been sad.

We have won by 32 ( our closest game ) - - -44 - - -77 - - -& 92 - that's just nuts.

Let me say again after watching the game. - -We MUST we just HAVE to land Earle. - We can not let N Carolina slither in here and take him from us. - Tonight looked even better to me anyways -I realize the competition was sad but still - - very fluid - - -very mobile nice medium range jumper - -please oh please - -this is my Christmas wish.

My 2nd Christmas wish : -let me say this slowly - - - M -- A - - T - -T - H - -E - W - - - - H - -U -- R --T - - please Santee - -no Coal - -just these two that's all I ask for. - -this kid has shown consistently he will knock down that 3 - - rebounds - does anyone still have doubt? - - don't count me in - I'm ready.

We will see these next two games how these guys do - I think they will be fine. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Jun 15, 2018 12:01 AM #91

Leave it to someone from the UK board. You really need to sit down for this one although he did say , that possibly some paranoid conspiracy-minded type might suspect Coach Self is running up these crazy ass victory margin to make Cal's failure last summer look even worse. - - -OMFG seriously? roflmao.

Ya that's exactly what coach Self is doing, that's his only train of thought for these games. - -Let me see if I can make Coach Cal look even worse for last summer lmao.

What Else can Coach do? - -he is subbing in and out like hockey lines [ - -five at a time - -like playing 5 minute segments. - -he is playing all kinds of different combinations. Like the announcers say you can't expect the USA kids to quit playing - -quit trying. -- - the real question isn't that he is trying to run up the score - it's what else can he do? Also like the announcers say - it's not we have to have one kid put up 35-40 points. Against Puerto Rico our leading scorer had 20 ( Quentin ) - -Tonight our leading scorer had 20 - it's just balanced scoring - no show boating - no glares - just team Basketball.
Thank GOD better Competition these next two nights. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Jun 15, 2018 06:39 AM #92

@jayballer73

Last year, Calipari coached the U19 team that included several college players and lost a critical game to Canada in the semi-finals but won the rest by a lot. Coach Self is coaching the U18 team that does not include any college players.

Jun 15, 2018 12:59 PM #93

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@FarmerJayhawk I read where Self called Hurt an athletic guard. 🤔

I think he misspoke. The plan is to play him at the 4 if we get him.

Jun 15, 2018 02:28 PM #94

@jayballer73

Other than the US, most of the countries in the Americas do not have well developed high school programs, which means their U18 and lower teams are often under-developed. Here in the US, because we have a robust HS program, it is very easy to identify the best HS players in the country (and we have lots of them).

USA has never lost a game in the U16 competition (closest game last year was a 41 point win). The team shot almost 57% from the field for the tournament. RJ Hampton, Jalen Green and Vernon Carey are some names you would recognize from that roster.

The USA U17 team is 30-0 at the World Championships. They will be playing in a couple of weeks in Argentina. Vernon Carey, RJ Hampton, and Jalen Green will likely be on that team this year, although training camp starts today with a roster of 30 that has to get cut down to 12, so that's not guaranteed. Still, the US has never lost at the U17 level.

The U18 team is 53-2 at the Americas Cup, losing in the semifinal in 2002, and the title game in 2008.

The U19 team is 91-14 all time.

You see the difference. Undefeated at the U16 and U17 levels. Only a couple of losses (and never prior to the semifinal) at the U18 level. A crazy winning percentage (.866) at the U19 level, but compared to undefeated or .963, that's a substantial drop. Basically goes from no chance to a snowball's chance in hell, to maybe you have a shot. Most countries don't have enough talent at the lower levels, so they play their best younger players up. A guy like Svi, who played on the U16 Ukranian team in 2013, then played for the senior national team in the 2014 basketball World Cup, then the U20 team in 2016. That's the equivalent of a guy like Lebron James making the national team as a high school junior in 2002. That would probably never happen here in the US. Just too much talent ahead of him to even consider a player like that.

Jun 15, 2018 03:34 PM #95

@justanotherfan

Canada has pretty decent HS basketball and well over 100 players were playing Division I basketball in the US as of a couple of years ago (close to 200 next season) including some high profile top 10 players at elite programs.

Jun 15, 2018 04:18 PM #96

@JayHawkFanToo - - Still funny as hell to listen to Kentucky fans whine like little bitches. -

Jun 15, 2018 10:44 PM #97

Anybody watching?

Jun 15, 2018 10:44 PM #98

Refs suck

Jun 15, 2018 11:06 PM #99

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Refs suck

ABSURD

Jun 15, 2018 11:23 PM #100

Argentina is pretty good, plays good defense and is pretty fast.

Jun 15, 2018 11:24 PM #101

Omgosh

Jun 15, 2018 11:27 PM #102

Anthony was taken down. They walk all the time! Clearly want Argentina in the game

Jun 15, 2018 11:28 PM #103

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Anthony was taken down. They walk all the time! Clearly want Argentina in the game

Strong agree. Many fouls by Argentina not called. White took a hard fall not long ago and crickets...

Jun 15, 2018 11:32 PM #104

Drama queen coach

Jun 15, 2018 11:35 PM #105

Charge

Jun 15, 2018 11:35 PM #106

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Drama queen coach

lol yep

Jun 15, 2018 11:35 PM #107

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Charge

Close. 50/50

Jun 15, 2018 11:36 PM #108

LOL. That was a gosh damn and one. No call of course.

Jun 15, 2018 11:36 PM #109

Bunch of a 🕳

Jun 15, 2018 11:39 PM #110

Roy looks really really excited!😉

Jun 15, 2018 11:44 PM #111

@BShark Kentucky kid gonna play tmrw?

Jun 15, 2018 11:46 PM #112

Bunch of jerks

Jun 15, 2018 11:48 PM #113

Our kid looked good, shot getting better, he's so strong

Jun 15, 2018 11:48 PM #114

Can handle pt too

Jun 15, 2018 11:48 PM #115

Talking to myself!

Jun 15, 2018 11:50 PM #116

@Crimsonorblue22

I am here. Grimes did play PG a fair amount of time; he is super solid and will be fun to watch next season.

Jun 15, 2018 11:56 PM #117

Grimes's game high 26 points leads Team USA to the finals against Canada. Yes, it's a little early to call the Canada v. Puerto Rico game, but I'm calling it. Anyone going to watch Canada v. Puerto Rico?

Jun 16, 2018 12:22 AM #118

Grimes is a baller.

Jun 16, 2018 12:48 AM #119

@Crimsonorblue22 Watched every minute of every game

Jun 16, 2018 12:49 AM #120

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark Kentucky kid gonna play tmrw?

probably not - - -Maxey

Jun 16, 2018 12:52 AM #121

Earle actually came up with key buckets in the 4th quarter - I think all 10 of his points were in the 4th. - -Grimes really solid game - led in Scoring - -led in rebounding, - -Hurt 15 points 3 blocks.

Anthony gets mauled and they call it an offensive foul lmao. Earle had some trouble playing D on their 7 footer but giving up like 4 inches did ok

Jun 16, 2018 01:08 AM #122

Cole Anthony is amazing and has been saying positive things about Self. I'm not gonnnnna jmt myself into believing that Nike could allow him to end up at KU. Might be the best HS player right now regardless of class.

Jun 16, 2018 01:40 AM #123

@BShark he was pulling the trigger a tad early when he got back in, he was a lil frustrated. First of the week I saw that. Really awkward sentence.

Jun 16, 2018 01:44 AM #124

I think the refs could make it even harder tmrw! Have to play harder and smarter. Anybody see what the ast coach did to get the T? Must have been murder.

Jun 16, 2018 01:46 AM #125

@BShark I think kids are seeing what we have always known about Self. And, I think they like being coached up that way! Playing team ball and running the floor. I'm hearing lots of positive things.

Jun 16, 2018 02:22 AM #126

It sure can't hurt for hurt - ahhhhh lol - -I just kill myself sometimes lol - -see what I done? = =Hurt - - - -Hurt - -OH I'm to much lol. - -but anyways it certainly doesn't hurt the Matthew and Robinson Earle get a chance to play under him and get a 1st hand look at how the Coaches in certain game situations -sure would be sweet to be able to pull those two in

Plus it would just be off the charts if somehow - some wat Anthony ended up here, - but I also am not really considering that

Jun 16, 2018 02:31 AM #127

I'm greedy, I want Anthony. He's one of the best pts I've seen, that young.

Jun 16, 2018 03:10 AM #128

Argentina held the advantage from the foul line making 24-of-30 tries, while the USA was 11-of-16 from the charity line.

Jun 16, 2018 12:36 PM #129

Youtube will broadcast the USA v. Canada game at 7:15 Central Saturday. Even without Massey, I look for team USA to breeze by Canada. The officiating should be more even since the Central/South American bias will be absent. I really like that Coach Self plays Grimes, Hurt and Earl together. These three already play like teammates; they look to pass to each other to help each other score. I hope both Hurt and Earl commit to KU. It's been fun watching them at such a young age.

Jun 16, 2018 03:08 PM #130

@stoptheflop

US should beat Canada but it will not be easy. Canada has a solid team and is playing at home looking for its first U18 title ever which gives them an extra incentive. I would be very surprised if it is a breeze.

Jun 16, 2018 04:41 PM #131

stoptheflop said:

Youtube will broadcast the USA v. Canada game at 7:15 Central Saturday. Even without Massey, I look for team USA to breeze by Canada. The officiating should be more even since the Central/South American bias will be absent. I really like that Coach Self plays Grimes, Hurt and Earl together. These three already play like teammates; they look to pass to each other to help each other score. I hope both Hurt and Earl commit to KU. It's been fun watching them at such a young age.

I read where Maxey is expected to play for the US tonight. I agree with you but maybe not easily - bottom line is Canada has 3-4 pretty good players - BUT US is just so balanced with pretty good players I think the overall talent of 12 will be more then they can handle

Jun 17, 2018 12:02 AM #132

Jballs, you are the man

Jun 17, 2018 12:36 AM #133

I hear cal is at game, picking up coaching pointers!🤔🤴

Jun 17, 2018 12:45 AM #134

I like the way team USA takes it to the rim on offense.

Jun 17, 2018 12:50 AM #135

I hate the ref cam. It needs to go the way of the helmet cam

Jun 17, 2018 01:12 AM #136

@stoptheflop bill self offense!

Jun 17, 2018 01:22 AM #137

Kinda slow start to 2nd half

Jun 17, 2018 01:46 AM #138

It appears the USA players have picked up HCBS offenses!. Maybe not so much the defense...

Jun 17, 2018 01:52 AM #139

I will just say that Bill Self did the best job in trials that I have seen in 15 years in this business. Covered nuances of euro officiating. Hadn't seen that before.
Jerry Meyer

Jun 17, 2018 02:02 AM #140

🥇bill self, pretty sweet, kicked their butts

Jun 17, 2018 02:02 AM #141

Gotta be a great recruiting tool for us!

Jun 17, 2018 02:16 AM #142

just total domination. Grimes is gonna be sweet his one year here at KU. - -JUMPIN - - -GEE - - - HOSSIE - -TOADS I want Robinson Earle & Hurt Sooooooooo bad.

Looks like they play quite well together on the floor even at the same time. - -I know Coach Self is telling them both - -you BOTH can play on the floor at the same time pretty sweet combo. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Jun 17, 2018 02:19 AM #143

Grimes mvp

Jun 17, 2018 02:22 AM #144

Hope we get earl and hurt! And Anthony!

Jun 17, 2018 02:36 AM #145

@Buster-1926 ah geez, coach probably doesn't have room for it!🤣 it would be sweet though

Jun 17, 2018 02:45 AM #146

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Grimes mvp

Seems okay. :thinking:

Jun 17, 2018 02:51 AM #147

@BShark where will that trophy go?

Jun 17, 2018 03:00 AM #148

More on self
"Obvious that [Self] has been meticulous and fastidious in his preparations with this [U.S] FIBA U18 team," added ESPN analyst Mark Jones on Twitter. "They're prepared on both ends, his zone offense shredded Canada when they went to it, briefly."

Jun 17, 2018 03:12 AM #149

@Crimsonorblue22

Trophy goes to the US Basketball headquarters. Grimes accepted the trophy on behalf of the team which means he was the team’s captain. Would love to see JRE, Hurt and Grimes play together at KU.

Jun 17, 2018 03:15 AM #150

@JayHawkFanToo we need a replica🏆 was cool to hear grimes say he was excited to go to Kansas w/Self!

Jun 17, 2018 03:20 AM #151

@JayHawkFanToo Very good chance that never happens. Better than 50/50, I'd say 75/25 at this point Grimes is OAD. He's already showing up as a projected lottery pick in several 2019 mock drafts.

Considering KU has no scholarship seniors this season, they need some players to pan out and leave early to make room for Hurt, JRE, and anyone else they sign in 2019.

Jun 17, 2018 03:22 AM #152

@Texas-Hawk-10 One open scholarship but in general yeah. I fully expect Doke, Dedric and Grimes to go. Silvio situation is still murky.

Jun 17, 2018 03:38 AM #153

If we had hurt and earl, I'd play them both at 3 and 4. Suffer on D, but they both board and shoot so well.

Jun 17, 2018 03:38 AM #154

@Texas-Hawk-10

Agreed. Grimes was the Tournament MVP and he will likely be as good or better than Josh...and this is setting the bar pretty high. Dedric and Doke likely gone and still have one scholarship left from the upcoming season so scholarship should not be a problem.

Jun 17, 2018 03:40 AM #155

Crimsonorblue22 said:

If we had hurt and earl, I'd play them both at 3 and 4. Suffer on D, but they both board and shoot so well.

I think at the college level you can easily play them together at 4/5. Interchangeable on O, primarily JRE at the 5 on D but can switch.

Jun 17, 2018 03:42 AM #156

Gotta have Silvio in there

Jun 17, 2018 03:43 AM #157

@BShark they both have such nice jumpers, we haven't had that from big guys for awhile

Jun 17, 2018 06:05 AM #158

Just watched the replay. A couple observations:
-Grimes is going to be really good. He’s way more advanced than almost anyone on the court. I’ll be curious to see how his game translates against better athletes in college. Well-deserved MVP though.
-Hurt and JRE are almost must-gets. Hurt is so skilled, and a better defender than I thought. He’s a ways away, but will be a really good college player. JRE is coldly efficient and had a great motor. He and Hurt would be great complements. Honestly, Hurt/McCormack/JRE would be the best frontcourt in the country, and that’s not even including Silvio.
-I want Cole Anthony baaaad. He’s as most complete a guard as I’ve seen in awhile. No idea if we have a shot at getting him (sounds like it’s a pretty locked down deal so far), but he and Dotson would be dirty.
-There are a few under the radar types that impressed me: Watts and Josiah James especially. James reminds me of Marcus Garrett somewhat.
-What happened to bigs? This team was pretty thin up front. How are Bacot and Hepa ranked that high?
-Another reminder of how good Self is. USA wasn’t great for awhile, then found another gear late. He’s probably the best at maximizing talent.

Jun 17, 2018 06:50 AM #159

@FarmerJayhawk almost exactly what I thought.

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Jun 17, 2018 12:18 PM #162

FarmerJayhawk said:

Just watched the replay. A couple observations:
-Grimes is going to be really good. He’s way more advanced than almost anyone on the court. I’ll be curious to see how his game translates against better athletes in college. Well-deserved MVP though.
-Hurt and JRE are almost must-gets. Hurt is so skilled, and a better defender than I thought. He’s a ways away, but will be a really good college player. JRE is coldly efficient and had a great motor. He and Hurt would be great complements. Honestly, Hurt/McCormack/JRE would be the best frontcourt in the country, and that’s not even including Silvio.
-I want Cole Anthony baaaad. He’s as most complete a guard as I’ve seen in awhile. No idea if we have a shot at getting him (sounds like it’s a pretty locked down deal so far), but he and Dotson would be dirty.
-There are a few under the radar types that impressed me: Watts and Josiah James especially. James reminds me of Marcus Garrett somewhat.
-What happened to bigs? This team was pretty thin up front. How are Bacot and Hepa ranked that high?
-Another reminder of how good Self is. USA wasn’t great for awhile, then found another gear late. He’s probably the best at maximizing talent.

Yeah I was not impressed with Hepa. Also by going to Texas he didn't exactly pick a great coach to help out his offensive game.

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Jun 17, 2018 01:47 PM #164

@BShark I think they play really well together and as odd as it may sound at this point actually looked like they were having fun working together on the floor - -both were making some sweet passes. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Jun 17, 2018 07:35 PM #165

Just look at this guy play. He has elements of Brandon Rush, Josh Jackson, Mario Chalmers, Russ Robb, and shoots a 3 pointer like Svi. NBA All- Star potential caliber, in my books. just look at the way he gets after people defensively- he slaps the ball away, and is off to the races. His handles are so good, he could play point guard. His drives to the basket remind me of JJ. I think we got our 3 point shooter:

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Jun 17, 2018 08:06 PM #167

@KUSTEVE Grimes had a great tournament but his three point shot was off. Tbf it is from longer range than the college line plus so many games in a short span but still 6/25 is just not good.

Jun 17, 2018 08:54 PM #168

@KUSTEVE Grimes is not a great shooter. That's by far the weakest part of his game at this point and he'll be in the NBA before his long range shot develops. I'm expecting him to be somewhere around 35-37% season which is decent at best.

Jun 18, 2018 01:08 AM #169

Grimes looks really good, if he can improve his 3 point shooting, he’s a star in the making. I think we can all agree the 3 ball is most likely the biggest question mark going into next season. Dotson, Grimes and Garrett all need to improve in that area, the good news they’ll have the summer and fall to make progress.

Jun 18, 2018 12:07 PM #170

@Texas-Hawk-10 I watched the highlights- I didn't watch the games. All I saw were 3 point swishes, then I read this morning he only went 6 for 25 from 3, so...maybe he's not the 3 point answer I had hoped for. If he can shoot 35% from 3, the rest of his game will carry him.

Jun 18, 2018 12:37 PM #171

@KUSTEVE

Over 200 attempts this year in HS he shot 39%.

Will 6 games tell the story on his shooting? Unlikely I think.

I've seen some question his mechanics or effectiveness from shot to shot. Something the staff can address this summer. His shot looks good off the dribble from what I saw.

If he's here just one year and that looks very likely we'll see. Svi didn't set the world on fire in year one for recent example but the comp isn't apples to apples. I believe Grimes is a good shooter and will have every opportunity to showcase such.

Jun 18, 2018 12:41 PM #172

@BeddieKU23 If he could hit 39%, I'd be jumping for joy. i think he'll definitely get some good looks with our offense...teams are going to have to try to stop us inside, which should open things up on the perimeter.

Jun 18, 2018 12:44 PM #173

@KUSTEVE

Just to follow up a bit. He might not be the "sharpshooter" we have become accustomed to with Svi, Graham, Mason etc. Maybe he's more along Vick/Selden where he has games he's red hot but his averages are inconsistent sometimes.

I do know one thing watching his games he's going to impact the game in so many ways.

He is the secondary ballhandler any coach dreams of having, he's a heck of an athlete, passing-vision, rebounding, and size for the 2 guard position will cause fits to most teams trying to guard him. He's not a finished product but heck I don't know if we've signed a guard as ready as he is to compete and impact the game.

Jun 18, 2018 01:01 PM #174

BeddieKU23 said:

I don't know if we've signed a guard as ready as he is to compete and impact the game.

JJ and Wiggins. But other than that...and of course Grimes is much more of a guard than those two.

Jun 18, 2018 01:24 PM #175

@BeddieKU23 39% in HS isn't great. That likely translates to 35-37% at best in college

Jun 18, 2018 01:57 PM #176

@BShark

Definitely those guys were wings in KU's system which you noted. A few extra weeks of coaching from Self can't hurt him at all once he gets into Lawrence

Jun 18, 2018 01:58 PM #177

@Texas-Hawk-10

Or could translate to 41-43%, goes both ways

Jun 18, 2018 02:29 PM #178

@BeddieKU23 How many players increase their shooting % when transitioning to a deeper 3 point line?

His outside shooting in Canada does not bode well for Grimes shooting a higher % than he did in HS next season.

Jun 18, 2018 02:34 PM #179

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@BeddieKU23 How many players increase their shooting % when transitioning to a deeper 3 point line?

His outside shooting in Canada does not bode well for Grimes shooting a higher % than he did in HS next season.

  1. No idea. HS stats are not as widely available to compare. Grimes stats were available, Dotson's were not for example.

  2. If you think 6 games tells the story on what his shooting will be for KU, that's your opinion to have. Outside shooting for this team has already been singled out by our coach as the biggest question mark.

Jun 18, 2018 02:39 PM #180

It’s all but impossible to compare HS and potential college 3 point percentage. The lines are different, the competition is different, and the style of play is different. Grimes could shoot better in college since he’ll have a bunch of open looks, or the deeper line could cause him some problems.

I’m concerned because he doesn’t appear to be a natural shooter. He’s never been a great FT shooter, which tells you the best story.

Jun 18, 2018 02:41 PM #181

@FarmerJayhawk

Good point, his FT % is of concern.

Jun 18, 2018 02:57 PM #182

His shot selection got better and his shot % went up as the week progressed. I thought.

Jun 18, 2018 04:38 PM #183

@KUSTEVE Man it's about time you showed back up. I was asking the crew the other day where you had vanished to. I was just about ready to get the FBI involved - let them work on something that they AHOULD be concerned with other then Basketball lol. - Was getting ready to send out and Silver alert lol. - -good to see you back. - What? - did Granny feed you a bad batch of vettles? - -you get ahold of one of Ellie mays critters -- lol. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Jun 18, 2018 04:46 PM #184

Shooting is a skill ... it is a practiced art. The predictions of what someone will shoot in college based on what they shot in high school is always going to be wrong. I have made a fantasy baseball career out of picking break outs based on ignoring assumptions from prognosticators that don't have the ability to account for progression of the skill set. When the best predictions in fantasy baseball had Yonder Alonso hitting 7 hrs as a projection last year, I knew they were way off, because Yonder had changed his approach, and was blasting out hrs in spring training. Something changed...Yonder started hitting way more fly balls, and he starting racking up some big power numbers.

Devonte did not walk on campus hitting 40% from 3. Neither did Svi. Maybe Grimes only hits 33%...maybe he comes in as a 37%. Or maybe working with coach, and Mr. Townsend and company will allow him to nudge that 3 point shot closer to 40%.

Jun 18, 2018 04:48 PM #185

@jayballer73 Hey buddy...are you ready to see the best KU team since 2008? Our cup runneth over...

Jun 18, 2018 04:52 PM #186

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 Hey buddy...are you ready to see the best KU team since 2008? Our cup runneth over...

I am SOOOOOOOOO ready. - -our frontcourt this year is going to just be insane I think. - Plus if it turns out Silvio is eligible - - - look out. Who can match up with us in the front court? - -so many different combinations - - - -different ways to play with our front court - -the Depth is certainly deep. - Just trying to get through this dam boring spring/summer time. - Ready to hoop - -let's do this. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Jun 18, 2018 05:08 PM #187

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 Hey buddy...are you ready to see the best KU team since 2008? Our cup runneth over...

Self has some pieces, that's for sure...

Jun 18, 2018 05:10 PM #188

@jayballer73 I'm thinking about that game against Tucky. We should be full bore by then( February). 2nd straight win in Rupp...it will be quite a show we'll put on. I remember all the hell Self went through last year because of our lack of depth, so this year we get to punch that ticket. Now, probably some growing pains from our front court at first, but Grimes and Dotson add so much team speed, some of that can be mitigated right away. I see them making up for dumb mistakes with steals and run outs quite a bit.

Jun 18, 2018 05:14 PM #189

Dotson looks like the fastest guard Self has ever had at KU w/ the ball.

Jun 18, 2018 06:10 PM #190

@BShark

How fast can Doke play? How fast can Big Dave play?

KU has a lot of guys that would benefit from getting up and down, and a couple that may be more adept when the pace slows a bit. That could mean that KU can play either way, or it could mean that KU has to slow down the pace when they have certain lineups on the floor. It's too early in the summer to be able to tell how that will work just yet, but we should be able to tell fairly quickly, probably even during the exhibitions against the D2 schools in the fall.

Jun 18, 2018 06:16 PM #191

@justanotherfan Doke is definitely a plodder. I think Dave can get up and down a bit. Hoping Silvio can play (but not expecting it).

Jun 18, 2018 07:24 PM #192

@KUSTEVE Oh I agree. - -We may actually take a lump or two early. again I say MAYBE. - -not only because of the front court but as a overall of the team - -still some youth - gonna take an transition period from high school AAU ball to P-5 ball. Some of those moves you got away with in High School isn't gonna work here always an adjustment t a certain degree.

One of the reasons I was on Dotson's bandwagon so early last year was I love his speed the kid is a blurr at times and loves to go to the hole and contact if need be. - I know this might sound silly, but to me is just another freshman version of Frank - a bull dog type - needs to work on hias out side J but still. - just plain and simple I love what we got.

Then I think our secret weapon people might not be giving enough attention to - - not here I'm not saying that but outsiders? - is are you ready? - Who I think is going to jump up and bite some people in the ass? - - - McCormack that who. - -The kid is big and physical - sweet body classic 5 man loves to play the 5 loves being down low - -rugged - -watch - - mark my words I tell ya what - -by the middle , end of the season. I bet people know who David McCormack is by then. - Can you imagine him and Silvio the specimen Silvio is - -them two together - - HOLY BAT SHIT- - BATMAN - -look the hell out. - -good to see you back bud - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Jun 18, 2018 07:25 PM #193

BShark said:

Dotson looks like the fastest guard Self has ever had at KU w/ the ball.

I think so , he is quick - - -really quick

Jun 19, 2018 12:04 AM #194

@jayballer73

Sherron and Tyshawn were pretty dang fast too.

Jun 19, 2018 12:12 AM #195

JayHawkFanToo said:

@jayballer73

Sherron and Tyshawn were pretty dang fast too.

Yeah, that's what makes Dotson so special. Pretty sure he is faster.

Jun 19, 2018 02:24 AM #196

@BShark

Don’t they time them at boot camp? Will find out soon enough... :smile:

Jun 19, 2018 11:33 AM #197

@jayballer73 McCormack is going to be hard to keep off the floor. I have zero clue how he is going to distribute minutes with this roster. So much depth and talent...it's pretty amazing.

Jun 19, 2018 11:36 AM #198

@JayHawkFanToo If he's as fast as those guys, he's in real good company. I thought Grimes looked exceptionally fast for his size, too.

Jun 19, 2018 12:46 PM #199

Grimes is the one that sticks out to me as a really special player. He will be a 2 guard in college, but he's a PG in the pros. He has the passing ability to handle that responsibility. He should be a star in college, and transition to the NBA as a star at that level as well.

The reason that I am so high on Grimes is that he doesn't have a significant flaw to his game coming out of HS. Rush was not a strong ball handler, which always limited what he was able to do, both in college and in the NBA. Jackson has an unreliable jump shot, which makes it hard for him to tap into the top of his potential. Embiid was very raw. Wiggins didn't have the mindset. Grimes is one of the best ball handlers Self has had (he compares to some of the better PGs Self has brought to KU) and his shot is about where Devonte was at as an incoming freshman, although we will see Grimes shoot it more than we saw Devonte do so as a freshman. He's not nearly as raw as Embiid and he definitely has that attacking mindset to be the best player on the floor every night.

He will be fun to watch for a year.

Jun 19, 2018 03:04 PM #200

BShark said:

Dotson looks like the fastest guard Self has ever had at KU w/ the ball.

Can he make bunnies?