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Beat you to it. @BShark!

Marquette gets their old name for this one.

I just discovered our game is on ESPN2, not ESPN. Good information to have at this point.

Good way to start the game, a Duke loss in other words.

When are we supposed to play? ANyone?

wissox said:

When are we supposed to play? ANyone?

Tenn Louisville ended not that long ago. I am guessing KU doesn't play for at least another 20 minutes.

Should be a pretty good turnout by the NYC alumni.

My nephew was a Big Jay mascot a few years ago and now works video for most events at the Barclays Center. Don't know if he has to work tonight.
His mom just sent me a photo of him running in the New York Marathon.

wissox said:

When are we supposed to play? ANyone?

6:34 Central

Marquette by double digits imo.

I'm rocking the Spanish broadcast tonight instead of hearing Franny.

@BShark Vamonos Jayhawks !

BShark said:

I'm rocking the Spanish broadcast tonight instead of hearing Franny.

I might do the same thing; can’t stand Fran.

Open 3 for them. And guarded 3 for Vick

Open threes all night easily for Marquette. Every one of their looks has been wide open.

I like Dedric when he puts opponents in the torture chamber.

There was talk of defensive change on perimeter but I don’t see it yet

Wow. Drawing fouls like crazy

Bwag said:

Wow. Drawing fouls like crazy

Love to see it.

Marquette can't guard without fouling, keep attacking the rim.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Marquette can't guard without fouling, keep attacking the rim.

Yep. Keep playing aggressively and foul them up. LOVED seeing Grimes drive it. They have nothing for Doke inside.

I am still worried about their offense but if their best guys foul out...

3/3

Vick caliente!

Non O team in?

This game isn’t for Doke. Be interesting to see how many minutes he gets.

@Woodrow because D?

Mitchell gimme that shit Lightfoot

Bwag said:

@Woodrow because D?

Yes

Marcus noooo

Dok in now

Ouch

I'm a little behind ya'll. Vick just made a 3 from the Statue of Liberty

Howard just made one from Madison Square Garden!

Not so sure Garrett isn’t a net drag on the offensive side.

@Bwag yea he can’t guard the perimeter

Bad last few

KU’s web site link to live stats pointing to the St. Louis Pitt game...really?

Garrett?

Dedric has been very disappointing. Not sure if he is pressing or what.

Dedric has the yips...

Marquette is 7/14 from 3. Maybe of 15 now.

Not seeing a defensive mindset change. That’s high volume shooting from 3.

That was a horrible call going into the TO.

Keystone Kops defense there.

Dedric on the drive is an empty possession

The knock on Dedric has been his lack of elite athleticism and I think we're seeing it.

Be nice to have Q do something as well.

Defense will get better. It takes time to build chemistry and in the case of the freshmen, adjusting to the speed of the college game.

It's a work in progress and they will get better as the year goes on.

Garrett sucks

Getting our butts kicked

wissox said:

Garrett sucks

The team sucks.

@wissox I was at the last game and I asked my buddy what in the hell did he do all offseason. He clearly did not work on his shot. His a glaring liability on the offense end of the floor.

Just playing possum..a 15-0 running is coming.

We are not good tonight. Just the way it is

BShark said:

wissox said:

Garrett sucks

The team sucks.

YOU SUCK!! (ha ha, just playing!)

Time for a 4 guard line up Bill, this ain't working. Dedric isn't athletic enough to do anything at this level.

BeddieKU23 said:

We are not good tonight. Just the way it is

Or at all tbh. KU hasn't played a good game yet. On the bright side, room for improvement.

The offense is the bigger long term concern with this team this year. Vock is the only one who can make a 3, but he's not going to keep this pace up because he's always been a streaky shooter and not a pure shooter.

Defenses will pack the paint against KU to try and take away Doke and Dedric and force KU to make 3's.

Will never FRICKEN understand how we are always running at open 3 point shooters.

Grimes was awesome making 3's against MSU. I don't know what happened to his shot.

wissox said:

Grimes was awesome making 3's against MSU. I don't know what happened to his shot.

Streaky

wissox said:

Grimes was awesome making 3's against MSU. I don't know what happened to his shot.

Same type of shooter as Vick, he's a streaky guy.

Live stats ↗ link for any one interested...

Garrett is just embarrassing

That's the only way to get Garrett a shot.

stoptheflop said:

Garrett is just embarrassing

It’s embarrassing Self is leaving him out there.

Woodrow said:

stoptheflop said:

Garrett is just embarrassing

It’s embarrassing Self is leaving him out there.

Jamari Traylor 2

Of course this run came with Doke saddled with 2 fouls.

Marq: 11/21 from 3.

Why is Grimes leaving Hauser. That’s terrible.

How about we just gaurd our own guy?

Marquette has 11 threes. Record against KU is 18.

Can they stay that hot from the 3?

This team needs a leader. All I see right now is guys taking shots.

We only shot 7 3s to their 21.

Bwag said:

How about we just gaurd our own guy?

nah

Just flat out lazy on defense, yes they are hot but several had not jayhawk within 5 feet of them. This isn't Middle school guys, teams will hit those all night. This team talent wise is the worse we have had in a very very long time. Both Lawson boys are waste of a scholarship.

KU will make adjustments and squeak this one out. We got em where we want em. ;)

approxinfinity said:

KU will make adjustments and squeak this one out. We got em where we want em.

No way. They are getting the looks they want. They are just better than Louisiana and Vermont so they will win.

Every coach has carved up Self's "defense" this year.

Garrett sucks. And Bill has lost the ability to coach defense apparently. Do we really think this team should be this bad defensively?

We have defaulted to a switching defense with piss poor rotations because nobody knows who they are guarding. Am I crazy or did Bill Self win a championship with HARD hedges and aggressive rotations where we jumped lanes and got easy steals?

21 of Marquette's 33 shots were 3s.

wissox said:

The knock on Dedric has been his lack of elite athleticism and I think we're seeing it.

He could be for a long year. - -what is his vertical - - 2 inches?

His drives are going nowhere.

...and I thought Fran was the negative one. SMH.

Kcmatt7 said:

Garrett sucks. And Bill has lost the ability to coach defense apparently. Do we really think this team should be this bad defensively?

We have defaulted to a switching defense with piss poor rotations because nobody knows who they are guarding. Am I crazy or did Bill Self win a championship with HARD hedges and aggressive rotations where we jumped lanes and got easy steals?

You aren't crazy. I don't get it either man. Maybe Self is teaching them a lesson? Idk...

I remember the times when we had Kaun and Jackson and Arthur would hedge hard and trap an opposing guard at half court, forcing a tough pass that would at least be contested if not stolen.

This is just embarrassing. Bill needs to go and watch his own old film.

Vick goes for 11 early - - -where did he go?

I warned you all about the 3's.

Kcmatt7 said:

I remember the times when we had Kaun and Jackson and Arthur would hedge hard and trap an opposing guard at half court, forcing a tough pass that would at least be contested if not stolen.

This is just embarrassing. Bill needs to go and watch his own old film.

Has Self been the same since the VCU game?

My column:

This is the # 2 team in the Nation?

No

kjayhawks said:

Just flat out lazy on defense, yes they are hot but several had not jayhawk within 5 feet of them. This isn't Middle school guys, teams will hit those all night. This team talent wise is the worse we have had in a very very long time. Both Lawson boys are waste of a scholarship.

Just stop with the hyperbole. This team wasn't voted preseason #1 because of a lack of talent. I'll straight up say the two least talented teams in the Bill Self era were the 2011-12,Final Four team and the 2014-15 Kelly Oubre team.

These are the growing pains of a team that has a lot of new pieces and returning pieces in new roles.

This is their 5th game together. Chemistry doesn't happen overnight and freshmen don't play like seniors.

This team will lose a few games this year they probably shouldn't because of their youth and inexperience.

This group will be fine come January and February.

stoptheflop said:

21 of Marquette's 33 shots were 3s.

Yep our Achilles heel is well known now.

Let’s see if we can adjust for this half.

Give Dedric a Redbull, pull Garrett, get Vick open, keep Doke from fouling, stop passing like grade schoolers, and find someone who can finish a drive. Sheesh

I tell you what , if we can't defend the 3 any better then this -- Lonnnnnnnnnnnng 2nd half and toy can't trade basket s3's for them and 2 for us.

I miss the old stubborn Hi-Lo and Tough D Bill. That's who this team needs.

I’ve just come to the conclusion this team just doesn’t have it. If Vick doesn’t go nuts we likely have 2 home losses to mid majors. We are probably past due for a down year with 14 straight and 3 straight E8s.

Garrett shouldn't see the floor this half. Holy shit. Have we ever had a worse offensive player under Bill?

kjayhawks said:

I’ve just come to the conclusion this team just doesn’t have it. If Vick doesn’t go nuts we likely have 2 home losses to mid majors. We are probably past due for a down with 14 straight and 3 straight E8s.

Whoah. Pump those breaks.

LOL Garrett starts.

Doke comes back in. Some life.

When you switch, you let the offense dictate who guards who.

Danny Manning would have made that jump hook!

Dok has a role in this game. Defended on perimeter and flush on the O side

Are some of ya'll seriously complaining because essentially a new team isn't playing the caliber of defense a championship team that played together for 3 years played?

Don't forget that the core of the title team played together for 3 years. That's 3 years worth of chemistry and knowing what each other player was going to do.

This team has 4 games worth of chemistry. Don't forget the core of that championship team lost to Bradley in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament and lost a lot of games when they were freshmen. Same deal with the previous 2 KU teams. They lost a lot games when they were young and had a couple of early tournament exits as well.

The issues with this team will not be fixed overnight. Wait until after the Christmas break when KU only plays 3 games between 12/8 and 12/29. That's when the improvements will happen because that's when they happen every year.

This is hardly the first year under Self when KU has looked lost at the beginning of the season. The finals and Christmas breaks are always when the most improvements happen for Self teams.

We'd be screaming if that pick was called against us.

wissox said:

We'd be screaming if that pick was called against us.

It was earlier in the game

Surprised Garrett started the second half? Self sees something I don't. Trust is difficult when you're behind to an unranked team.

@Texas-Hawk-10

Nicely put.

@Texas-Hawk-10
I’d just like to see us gaurd the damn 3 point line for a change. That’s all I’m really asking for.

Especially when we know that’s what they want to do.

If Q and Dedric can’t do anything on offense this team is going to struggle.

Guard 3's = Win game.

Also, can anyone fathom a reason that Marcus started over Q? Defense I guess..

@BShark haters gonna hate.

Doke just got his 3rd

I know Vick is hot but that’s a bad shot.

Clean block. Good play.

But this 15 year Scotch is smooth.

Johnny Walker Green

Bwag said:

@Texas-Hawk-10
I’d just like to see us gaurd the damn 3 point line for a change. That’s all I’m really asking for.

Back away from the ledge. I guarantee we could go back to games chats from the first few games of each of the past few seasons and see the exact same complaints. These issues are nothing new for a Bill Self team in November.

Vick can make tough shots but KU should try to get easier shots than that.

marquette is getting in foul trouble and that should cost them

Much better defense, Marquette is yet to score in the second half.

@Texas-Hawk-10 not on the ledge. Just looking forward in time to National Championship game when we get bombed out of the gym because we NEVER learn to guard the line.

If Doke is in the game he needs to get paint touches every possession.

I think he's trying to light a fire under Q

10-0 run to start the 2nd half.

Back to down 1

Woodrow said:

If Doke is in the game he needs to get paint touches every possession.

Every single time

Naysayers quiet for right now.

And up 1

Let’s guard the line now and win.

Got away with one there - clear on the replay that Doke walked...

Bail-out foul. Doke lucky there.

Garrett can penetrate, just wish it would go in. But like having the lead and the tempo

Duke needs to go to grannies

His free throws are getting worse

What a finish. Wow, Dotson.

Doke still can’t hit FTs... sigh

I think my feed is ahead of the rest of you...

Dotson driving!

@KirkIsMyHinrich That was highlight real!

Bwag said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 not on the ledge. Just looking forward in time to National Championship game when we get bombed out of the gym because we NEVER learn to gaurd the line.

It's not even Thanksgiving yet and you're complaining because KU isn't a finished product yet. KU will be just fine when March rolls around and everyone knows what their role is and has played 30+ games as opposed to 4 games.

If this team isn't playing better after the Christmas break, then panic and worry will be justified. Right now, this is a typical Bill Self Kansas team doing what they typically do at this time of year.

I will try not to spoil things for you.

Blind squirrels! Right 😁

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I think my feed is ahead of the rest of you...

Do we win?

There is the 15-0 run I predicted...

wissox said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I think my feed is ahead of the rest of you...

Do we win?

If we guard the 3-point line.

17-0 run, dang Bill chewed some ass during half time

@KirkIsMyHinrich So your feed isn't that far ahead!

I think like 30 seconds or so.

Lol at people wanting Doke to play less this season. Statistical anomaly and completely unguardable with his strength and length.

Great feed, Dotson.

Grimes in the dog house. He might be back...

StLJhawk said:

17-0 run, dang Bill chewed some ass during half time

Bill Self actually knows what he's doing, shocking!

Lawson Miss again... sigh

Mitch!

@Texas-Hawk-10 not at all. Just not a change in defensive philosophy that I can see that addresses the growing importance of 3 point line

We've still only shot 9 3s. More 3s please.

Lawson will find it guys.

Also, Dotson might not be back... Lightning in a bottle with decent vision and not a horrible shooter. He might find his way into the bottom of the 1st round.

Bwag said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 not at all. Just not a change in defensive philosophy that I can see that addresses the growing importance of 3 point line

This literally happens every year. KU struggling on defense in November literally happens every season.

@stoptheflop

Doke under the basket is a much better option.

@Texas-Hawk-10 very true, just disappointing to see a team lack hustle on the defensive side.

BShark??? Are you there? Buehler....Buehler? Maybe Coach used your prediction to motivate them...LOL.

God do I hate Sling TV commercials...

Bwag said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 not at all. Just not a change in defensive philosophy that I can see that addresses the growing importance of 3 point line

Maybe I’m wrong and it is just a lack of execution? Possible. Or we’ll overcome with superior talent and hall of fame coaching that wins 83% or so of games.

I love Dotson.

Grimes has not played this half.

Dotson is way better than I thought he would be. WOW

@BShark we good? :)

Marquette 0-10 second half, ouch

Guarded the 3 and it was successful, hmmm.

Matter of time

Bwag said:

Guarded the 3 and it was successful, hmmm.

Crazy, right?

Vick, cramps?

KUSTEVE said:

Grimes has not played this half.

His defense was pathetic. That’ll get you a seat quick with Bill. Plus he’s not aggressive enough on offense.

@StLJhawk They weren't going to keep up the 1st half pace. Makes me nervous that they won't continue to bagel in the 2nd half - yep there it goes...

Wide-open 3. Come on guys.

@approxinfinity Rumors of our demise are greatly exaggerated.

Nuther nice Garrett drive, but no points

Who the hell was Garrett guarding there. No one! But he was in the paint leaving someone open on the 3 line.

I mentioned the other day I'm friends with the Hauser brothers grandpa. It is fun to watch them make some shots! Just not too many.

I don't know why everyone is so happy. Yes, Kansas is winning but they've looked like garbage guarding the 3-point line for most of the game.

Dedric!

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I don't know why everyone is so happy. Yes, Kansas is winning but they've looked like garbage guarding the 3-point line for most of the game.

Umm, cuz we’re winning?

StLJhawk said:

Dedric!

No we are cooking. Missed some easy ones tonight, but much more aggressive.

@KirkIsMyHinrich Happy that they erased a big deficit - not happy how they've defended the 3. And, won't feel secure until we have a double digit lead with less than 4 minutes or so...

StLJhawk said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I don't know why everyone is so happy. Yes, Kansas is winning but they've looked like garbage guarding the 3-point line for most of the game.

Umm, cuz we’re winning?

We should be winning. Marquette isn't ranked.

Don’t mind the shot made over Lightfoot. He was there. Just a good shot.

Bwag said:

Bwag said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 not at all. Just not a change in defensive philosophy that I can see that addresses the growing importance of 3 point line

Maybe I’m wrong and it is just a lack of execution? Possible. Or we’ll overcome with superior talent and hall of fame coaching that wins 83% or so of games.

At this point in the season, it is usually lack of execution. That execution has almost always gotten better as the season went along.

This really is nothing new for a Bill Self team.

Who has the boot on?

Vick's head is getting in the way right now.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I’ll Hope. But visions of Villanova are in my mind

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I don't know why everyone is so happy. Yes, Kansas is winning but they've looked like garbage guarding the 3-point line for most of the game.

I'd say not allowing a point for a good 10 minutes is deserving of some praise. Proof this team CAN play D at least.

wissox said:

Vick's head is getting in the way right now.

A little overconfident. Needs to be aggressive, but in the right way.

@KUSTEVE me 2 lol

Nice to see Dedric actually make shots from the floor.

We “should” be winning? So we should never lose then? Tell Duke that. Gotta bring it each night, the unis don’t win the game

Bwag said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I’ll Hope. But visions of Villanova are in my mind

Villanova last year destroyed everyone. That was one of the best college teams of the modern era. There's nobody that good this year.

StLJhawk said:

We “should” be winning? So we should never lose then? Tell Duke that. Gotta bring it each night, the unis don’t win the game

Gonzaga is ranked 3rd. Marquette isn't ranked. Yes we should beat Marquette. What kind of comment is this?

@Texas-Hawk-10

Thank heaven too, that team was crazy good.

kjayhawks said:

Nice to see Dedric actually make shots from the floor.

21 points though. Quiet.

Doke 6 points

StLJhawk said:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Thank heaven too, that team was crazy good.

That Villanova team is up there with 2012 Kentucky, 2009 UNC, and 2001 Duke for best team this century.

@KirkIsMyHinrich

But that logic is the higher ranked team should win every time right?

Wtf is happening right now with these fouls on Grimes

@StLJhawk No, but the 2nd ranked team in the country should beat an unranked team. Games with teams separated by 2 spots in the rankings are a coin-flip.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

StLJhawk said:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Thank heaven too, that team was crazy good.

That Villanova team is up there with 2012 Kentucky, 2009 UNC, and 2001 Duke for best team this century.

But what I recall is they completely took us out of the game on the perimeter with pressure and shot lights out from the perimeter when we gave them open looks.

The counter argument is we were in the game.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@StLJhawk No, but the 2nd ranked team in the country should beat an unranked team. Games with teams separated by 2 spots in the rankings are a coin-flip.

But rankings in November are hardly accurate though.

Dedric had easily his best half.

I'm not sure Bill has ever had a player as poor offensively as Garrett.

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Fair enough. I Just have trouble with the “entitlement” vibe here sometimes. We can’t win em all.

Lawson 24 pts. 7/14 field and 9 rbs.

stoptheflop said:

Lawson 24 pts. 7/14 field and 9 rbs.

Stud.

Bwag said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

StLJhawk said:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Thank heaven too, that team was crazy good.

That Villanova team is up there with 2012 Kentucky, 2009 UNC, and 2001 Duke for best team this century.

But what I recall is they completely took us out of the game on the perimeter with pressure and shot lights out from the perimeter when we gave them open looks.

The counter argument is we were in the game.

KU was never in that game last year. Nova shot lights out even when guarded in that game. That first half Nova played was an all time great half any college team has ever played. Villanova was head and shoulders better than everyone else all year last season.

Dedric!

Gotta get grimes going!

StLJhawk said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Fair enough. I Just have trouble with the “entitlement” vibe here sometimes. We can’t win em all.

Cool. I have a problem with our perimeter defense.

Concerning? Still only 10 3's for us to their 31. Even Vick isn't looking to find an open 3.

Marquette is 1-2 on FT's. We're going to win some games with numbers like that.

Dedric looking smoother now

Why not put Dok back in? Let him finish the game.

Woah. Dude just banked in a free-throw.

@stoptheflop I'm not too concerned. We've pounded them in their weak spot. Inside play has destroyed Marquette tonight.

Nice what a little perimeter D can do.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

StLJhawk said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Fair enough. I Just have trouble with the “entitlement” vibe here sometimes. We can’t win em all.

Cool. I have a problem with our perimeter defense.

17 points so far in the 2nd half... I still think this team ends up being dominate defensively. My 1st half meltdown has been rescinded.

stoptheflop said:

Why not put Dok back in? Let him finish the game.

FTs? No ability to dribble against the press? Both?

Grimes has been mostly invisible this game - biggest number on stat sheet is fouls...

Hell of a second half. Good win.

Still undefeated.... Wooooooo!!!

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

StLJhawk said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Fair enough. I Just have trouble with the “entitlement” vibe here sometimes. We can’t win em all.

Cool. I have a problem with our perimeter defense.

17 points so far in the 2nd half... I still think this team ends up being dominate defensively. My 1st half meltdown has been rescinded.

291st ranked team in 3-point defense. Got torched in the 1st half knowing that Marquette was going to shoot 3's. Played better in the 2nd half. Good. Still a lot of work to do if they want to be a dominant defensive team.

@KirkIsMyHinrich And, need to work on dealing with pressure - very sloppy the last few minutes, esp. with so many perimeter players...

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

StLJhawk said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Fair enough. I Just have trouble with the “entitlement” vibe here sometimes. We can’t win em all.

Cool. I have a problem with our perimeter defense.

17 points so far in the 2nd half... I still think this team ends up being dominate defensively. My 1st half meltdown has been rescinded.

291st ranked team in 3-point defense. Got torched in the 1st half knowing that Marquette was going to shoot 3's. Played better in the 2nd half. Good. Still a lot of work to do if they want to be a dominant defensive team.

There is still plenty of work to do, but this second half is a glimpse of where this team will be at more times than not once January rolls around.

Garrett took 14 shots and Q took 3! WTF...

Uh, what was that officiating comment about from the commentator?

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

StLJhawk said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Fair enough. I Just have trouble with the “entitlement” vibe here sometimes. We can’t win em all.

Cool. I have a problem with our perimeter defense.

17 points so far in the 2nd half... I still think this team ends up being dominate defensively. My 1st half meltdown has been rescinded.

291st ranked team in 3-point defense. Got torched in the 1st half knowing that Marquette was going to shoot 3's. Played better in the 2nd half. Good. Still a lot of work to do if they want to be a dominant defensive team.

Based on what? Percentage? I can find favorable stats. 3rd ranked Kenpom defense before the game. And I'll go ahead and say it will still be ranked top 5 after holding a good offensive Marquette team to under 70 points.

Woodrow said:

Garrett took 14 shots and Q took 3! WTF...

Well I will say teams absolutely do not guard Garrett.

Edit: But point still stands.

Too bad some people weren't able to enjoy this win.

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

StLJhawk said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Fair enough. I Just have trouble with the “entitlement” vibe here sometimes. We can’t win em all.

Cool. I have a problem with our perimeter defense.

17 points so far in the 2nd half... I still think this team ends up being dominate defensively. My 1st half meltdown has been rescinded.

291st ranked team in 3-point defense. Got torched in the 1st half knowing that Marquette was going to shoot 3's. Played better in the 2nd half. Good. Still a lot of work to do if they want to be a dominant defensive team.

Based on what? Percentage? I can find favorable stats. 3rd ranked Kenpom defense before the game. And I'll go ahead and say it will still be ranked top 5 after holding a good offensive Marquette team to under 70 points.

Yes, based on 3-point percentage. As I've said for the 100th time now. And my complaint was about Kansas' perimeter defense and opponent 3-point percentage. Thank you for finding KenPom stats for me, though.

Rock Chalk Gobble Gobble ! Happy Turkey Day everybody.

(And let's be Thankful that our team has the kind of "problems" that about 300-plus other Division I schools would love to have.)

I think we tightened defense on perimeter. That shut them down.

Good win.

Bwag said:

I think we tightened defense on perimeter. That shut them down.

Good win.

I will say Garrett played very well on defense. Was very active and challenged their 3’s in the second half

Good guys win yet again and are the number 1 team in the country yet again. Good to be a Jayhawk fan

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

StLJhawk said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Fair enough. I Just have trouble with the “entitlement” vibe here sometimes. We can’t win em all.

Cool. I have a problem with our perimeter defense.

17 points so far in the 2nd half... I still think this team ends up being dominate defensively. My 1st half meltdown has been rescinded.

291st ranked team in 3-point defense. Got torched in the 1st half knowing that Marquette was going to shoot 3's. Played better in the 2nd half. Good. Still a lot of work to do if they want to be a dominant defensive team.

Based on what? Percentage? I can find favorable stats. 3rd ranked Kenpom defense before the game. And I'll go ahead and say it will still be ranked top 5 after holding a good offensive Marquette team to under 70 points.

Yes, based on 3-point percentage. As I've said for the 100th time now. And my complaint was about Kansas' perimeter defense and opponent 3-point percentage. Thank you for finding KenPom stats for me, though.

Thanks for finding 3pt % for me.

Good win, Kansas. If we play two 2nd-halves like tonight I think we'll have a good chance against the Vols. Rock Chalk.

Bwag said:

I think we tightened defense on perimeter. That shut them down.

Good win.

Marquette had 10 3 attempts in second half vs 21 in first.

That’s what I was complaining about. Let’s continue that approach and be ready for balance of the year.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

StLJhawk said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Fair enough. I Just have trouble with the “entitlement” vibe here sometimes. We can’t win em all.

Cool. I have a problem with our perimeter defense.

17 points so far in the 2nd half... I still think this team ends up being dominate defensively. My 1st half meltdown has been rescinded.

291st ranked team in 3-point defense. Got torched in the 1st half knowing that Marquette was going to shoot 3's. Played better in the 2nd half. Good. Still a lot of work to do if they want to be a dominant defensive team.

Based on what? Percentage? I can find favorable stats. 3rd ranked Kenpom defense before the game. And I'll go ahead and say it will still be ranked top 5 after holding a good offensive Marquette team to under 70 points.

Yes, based on 3-point percentage. As I've said for the 100th time now. And my complaint was about Kansas' perimeter defense and opponent 3-point percentage. Thank you for finding KenPom stats for me, though.

It's very obvious that the 3 point defense for KU needs work. The 2nd half looked a lot better obviously.

StLJhawk said:

Good guys win yet again and are the number 1 team in the country yet again. Good to be a Jayhawk fan

I think Gonzaga will jump us. Cause...Duke.

Bwag said:

Bwag said:

I think we tightened defense on perimeter. That shut them down.

Good win.

Marquette had 10 3 attempts in second half vs 21 in first.

That’s what I was complaining about. Let’s continue that approach and be ready for balance of the year.

Yep! We have the horses inside to hedge and funnel guys into the paint. Run guys off the line. 3>2 especially when the 3s are open and with the twos there is a behemoth patrolling the paint.

Bwag said:

StLJhawk said:

Good guys win yet again and are the number 1 team in the country yet again. Good to be a Jayhawk fan

I think Gonzaga will jump us. Cause...Duke.

Well, I do think Gonzaga is the better team right now. They are experienced and used to playing together though. They got this Duke win without one of their best 2 players too!

StLJhawk said:

Good guys win yet again and are the number 1 team in the country yet again. Good to be a Jayhawk fan

Wait until after Friday night. KU does play the #5 team in the country Friday and Gonzaga doesn't play again until Monday so they may end up being #1 when the next poll comes out.

@BShark think I’ll have another Johnny Walker Green 15 year old in celebration.

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

StLJhawk said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Fair enough. I Just have trouble with the “entitlement” vibe here sometimes. We can’t win em all.

Cool. I have a problem with our perimeter defense.

17 points so far in the 2nd half... I still think this team ends up being dominate defensively. My 1st half meltdown has been rescinded.

291st ranked team in 3-point defense. Got torched in the 1st half knowing that Marquette was going to shoot 3's. Played better in the 2nd half. Good. Still a lot of work to do if they want to be a dominant defensive team.

Based on what? Percentage? I can find favorable stats. 3rd ranked Kenpom defense before the game. And I'll go ahead and say it will still be ranked top 5 after holding a good offensive Marquette team to under 70 points.

Yes, based on 3-point percentage. As I've said for the 100th time now. And my complaint was about Kansas' perimeter defense and opponent 3-point percentage. Thank you for finding KenPom stats for me, though.

Thanks for finding 3pt % for me.

I complained about opponents shooting 3's against Kansas. I found opponents 3-point percentage against Kansas.

You found random KenPom stats. Good job I guess?

@BShark I’m glad to see Duke lose. And that Kentucky took a loss too.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

StLJhawk said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Fair enough. I Just have trouble with the “entitlement” vibe here sometimes. We can’t win em all.

Cool. I have a problem with our perimeter defense.

17 points so far in the 2nd half... I still think this team ends up being dominate defensively. My 1st half meltdown has been rescinded.

291st ranked team in 3-point defense. Got torched in the 1st half knowing that Marquette was going to shoot 3's. Played better in the 2nd half. Good. Still a lot of work to do if they want to be a dominant defensive team.

Based on what? Percentage? I can find favorable stats. 3rd ranked Kenpom defense before the game. And I'll go ahead and say it will still be ranked top 5 after holding a good offensive Marquette team to under 70 points.

Yes, based on 3-point percentage. As I've said for the 100th time now. And my complaint was about Kansas' perimeter defense and opponent 3-point percentage. Thank you for finding KenPom stats for me, though.

Thanks for finding 3pt % for me.

I complained about opponents shooting 3's against Kansas. I found opponents 3-point percentage against Kansas.

You found random KenPom stats. Good job I guess?

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And just like that, we looked like a ranked team.

Will Virginia break 50 points?

@Bwag no

Bwag said:

Will Virginia break 50 points?

Probably, but maybe not 60.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Kcmatt7 said:

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

StLJhawk said:

@KirkIsMyHinrich

Fair enough. I Just have trouble with the “entitlement” vibe here sometimes. We can’t win em all.

Cool. I have a problem with our perimeter defense.

17 points so far in the 2nd half... I still think this team ends up being dominate defensively. My 1st half meltdown has been rescinded.

291st ranked team in 3-point defense. Got torched in the 1st half knowing that Marquette was going to shoot 3's. Played better in the 2nd half. Good. Still a lot of work to do if they want to be a dominant defensive team.

Based on what? Percentage? I can find favorable stats. 3rd ranked Kenpom defense before the game. And I'll go ahead and say it will still be ranked top 5 after holding a good offensive Marquette team to under 70 points.

Yes, based on 3-point percentage. As I've said for the 100th time now. And my complaint was about Kansas' perimeter defense and opponent 3-point percentage. Thank you for finding KenPom stats for me, though.

Thanks for finding 3pt % for me.

I complained about opponents shooting 3's against Kansas. I found opponents 3-point percentage against Kansas.

You found random KenPom stats. Good job I guess?

Its just simply not the only stat that matters for a defense as a whole. And I'd think after a 2nd half of clearly making the adjustment you'd see that? You're right, we need to improve and do better on a consistent basis. But, we showed that we can. What did we allow, four 3s in the 2nd half? That wasn't just cold shooting. That was good perimeter defense.

@Kcmatt7 The 2nd half was a very encouraging sign. I hope they keep it up!

I wasn't complaining about our defense as a whole, I was specifically complaining about our 3-point defense. Before the game. During the game. After the game.

Yes, the perimeter defense was better in the 2nd half. I agree.

Dotson was extremely good tonight. He shut down Markus Howard completely in the 2nd half.

I would love to hear Selfs halftime “talk” . Going to assume there would be a lot of “bleeps”

@Kcmatt7 we allowed 10 attempts- that is the key. Cut their attempts by more than 50%.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I wasn't complaining about our defense as a whole, I was specifically complaining about our 3-point defense. Before the game. During the game. After the game.

Yes, the perimeter defense was better in the 2nd half. I agree.

I will say that I'm surprised Bill didn't make it an emphasis this season (so far) after the Nova game.

When KU decides to guard they are scary good. When they don’t, they are very beatable.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I wasn't complaining about our defense as a whole, I was specifically complaining about our 3-point defense. Before the game. During the game. After the game.

Yes, the perimeter defense was better in the 2nd half. I agree.

This team will get better as the year goes on. This is typical of KU in November. KU will still win 30+ games, they will still win the regular season title, they will still be a 1 or 2 seed, they will still be in the KC region starting out in either Des Moines or Tulsa.

None of the issues with this team are things we haven't seen from a Bill Self team just about every year in November.

BShark said:

Dotson was extremely good tonight. He shut down Markus Howard completely in the 2nd half.

Dotson was the MVP tonight, imo.

@Kcmatt7 I'd vote Dedric, but Dotson was very good.

dylans said:

When KU decides to guard they are scary good. When they don’t, they are very beatable.

This team should not struggle on either end at any time. Too much talent.

Hmm , Dedric plays against Quality opp. -- Look how he played against Michigan ST = =Big time - - tonight 26 points and 12 rebounds. - -Is this how i's going to be ? - -but last to starting to show Think they say he had 19 and then 26 tonight - -hope he can continue to improve as the season goes on ,

This game against Tennessee is gonna be a war. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayballer73 said:

Hmm , Dedric plays against Quality opp. -- Look how he played against Michigan ST = =Big time - - tonight 26 points and 12 rebounds. - -Is this how i's going to be ? - -but last to starting to show Think they say he had 19 and then 26 tonight - -hope he can continue to improve as the season goes on ,

This game against Tennessee is gonna be a war. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

3 assists 2 blocks and just 1 turnover as well. Great game from Dedric.

BShark said:

@Kcmatt7 I'd vote Dedric, but Dotson was very good.

He came to play tonight. And his rebounding is so good night in and night out that I probably don't appreciate it enough.

I just thought Dotson was pesky on D all night long and made a ton of good decisions on O. His speed alone was responsible for at least 8 points tonight.

@Kcmatt7 Very excited about Dotson. Especially if we get 3 years.

BShark said:

@Kcmatt7 Very excited about Dotson. Especially if we get 3 years.

Sure would be nice...

@Texas-Hawk-10 do we win the Natl Championship? Do we have the talent to?

Who can explain Marcus Garrett's shooting style? I've never seen a successful shooter with one shoulder away from the basket. Garrett doesn't even try to square his shoulders. But, I like how active he is, just not his shots.

@Kcmatt7 and yet we have struggled at both ends at times. I do agree with @Texas-Hawk-10 that we will grow and continue to improve.

@Texas-Hawk-10 It seemed the Roy Williams teams would sometimes come out in November and be as good as they were going to get all season. I like that Bill’s teams get better all season.

Go CLE

KU held Marquette to 21 points in the second half; did not score in the first 9 minutes or so. I call this very good defense.

Watching the Above the Rim feed. Not bad!

Dotson was a stud, but after all my doggin on Dedric so far, he kept cool and, somewhat Perrylike in its quietness, had a great game. I give him the mvp. Tho without Doke (as usual) we’d have been hurtin

I didn't think Dok was a factor at all: 6 pts. 4 rbs and 0 blocks. I thought he should have been put back in during the last 2 min when the game was won just to get him back on track offensively. Dok's defense was solid during the little time the refs allowed him play.

Doke on the bench all late first half, got our butts kicked. Doke playing hard all early second half, out scored them 22-0. Coincidence?

StLJhawk said:

Doke on the bench all late first half, got our butts kicked. Doke playing hard all early second half, out scored them 22-0. Coincidence?

Doke is very important.

Bwag said:

@Kcmatt7 and yet we have struggled at both ends at times. I do agree with @Texas-Hawk-10 that we will grow and continue to improve.

I believe both statements are true about every team in college basketball in November!