Revenge game!
Ha, didn't see 15-3 in your title, I'm like, what the heck does that mean?!!
Go Jayhawks.
Also if anyone needs an alternate during commercials I would recommend watching Embiid go off against Houston.
Carolina is kind of a schizo team it seems.
wissox said:
Carolina is kind of a schizo team it seems.
Their results definitely support this. Bizarre.
Thank you roy for ending on time. Guess when you dont have 25 thousand Zion promos to go thru you can finish a game in a decent fashion
Carolina has been up-and-down for a while it seems like. Nothing new.
When they lost to Louisville at home it was worse then any ku defeat.
This network just can't keep from talking about duke
wissox said:
This network just can't keep from talking about duke
EDPN
Tennessee can only say, KU beat our asses.
Hot take, seth picks Iowa st
Embiid outscoring Harden tonight....by 1 right now, 20-19 still in first half.
Lol seth with his 75th consecutive pick against ku
Just put studio sports pundits behind a damn desk. Not awkwardly standing. Not slouching in lounge chairs looking like morons.
Rock chalk
BeddieKU23 said:
Hot take, seth picks Iowa st
This is my shocked face
@BeddieKU23 Kansas usually wins when Uncle Fester picks against us so good.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
@BeddieKU23 Kansas usually wins when Uncle Fester picks against us so good.
Not so good Saturday when he picked west virginia
Definitely need this one. Have to hold court - not sure how many road games we will get this year. Otherwise could be looking at a 3 game losing streak. Defend the perimeter, dammit....
And then we get the guy who belongs in a lake with crocodiles
Fran has no life, is this a correct assessment?
Of course, BShark always picks against us too, wait a minute, Seth=Bshark, could it be?
@BeddieKU23 the only X's and 0's Seth Greenberg understands is chef boyardee.
Fran has his 40 minute formula ready to beat kansas,
Playing ISU twice before playing several other league teams once is dumb.
approxinfinity said:
@BeddieKU23 the only X's and 0's Seth Greenberg understands is chef boyardee.
That was great. Keep them coming
BShark said:
Playing ISU twice before playing several other league teams once is dumb.
Seems to happen every year
We have scored the first basket of the game it seems like forever.
Why not pass it to lawson Vick. Wide open
Self message: drive
Grimes missed the message
missed a chance for an assist and a basket
Let's shut Shayok down today pls.
Really weak call against ISU there.
More than half of us could make that jumper Grimes just missed.
Lawson torched.
I would like the guy that works with fran if the guy picked on fran
Grimes gave a nice wave hello as Shayok drove by...
Of course Lawson got fouled on his shot, then they call that weak crap on the other end of the floor.
DanR said:
Self message: drive
bad ball
dont assist your team mates
Grimes continues his no show on d
DCHawker said:
Grimes gave a nice wave hello as Shayok drove by...
Grimes being terrible on defense is a big part of why this team isn't better.
I like that thought. Pick and roll game with Dotson and Lawson.
I'm ready to see what Doke can do with one hand
terrible offense
defense is even worse
Move your feet come on Dotson!
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
defense is even worse
I'm not sure, I think the offense is worse.
Blown out at home. Might happen
Our entire offense is Lawson put backs...
Do we ever have a rebounder in position when we shoot a 3?
Better slow it down and keep this game in the 50s. Our offense is not good.
We have missed so many shots at the rim.
Shayok out of control there. Elbow to defenders neck then threw it away.
wissox said:
We have missed so many shots at the rim.
Unfortunately this isn’t a new issue.
Not sure what is worse, watching Grimes try and score or watch him play defense
BeddieKU23 said:
Blown out at home. Might happen
Terrible match-up. ISU is good.
DCHawker said:
Our entire offense is Lawson put backs...
Cause we are playing one on one and can not shoot...hmmm, could be bad if someone doesnt catch fire
BeddieKU23 said:
Not sure what is worse, watching Grimes try and score or watch him play defense
I'd say I don't understand why he plays so much, but optics and Chuck is worse.
We look a little sped up again.
approxinfinity said:
Do we ever have a rebounder in position when we shoot a 3?
Not when we take the first shot that appears with no rythym
I don't get nervous til the last minute of the game. Of course the other day, it didn't help.
But only 1 turnover so far!
Dotson is on his way to another what are you doing night
Plus plus
Agbaji in for Grimes. Upgrade right?
@BeddieKU23 agreed. He's not acting like a leader
I hope this is a 30 point game for Vick. Or a 30 pt. 30 rebound game for Lawson
Agbaji time
Grimes is clearly scared of contact - he shys away from it like the plague on drives...
The passiveness with the ball is killing me.
agbaji prayer answered
DanR said:
I hope this is a 30 point game for Vick. Or a 30 pt. 30 rebound game for Lawson
We may need it
I hope Agbaji goes nuts.
Let's just start Agbaji. And play Dave a lot more.
Fran calls a 3 with 11 minutes left in the half "so huge"
Vick with the ball in the open court is rather frightening...
Iowa St gets a wide open 3 whenever they want, the defense is awful.
Does ISU have a thin bench? I don't get why we're running and gunning.
Dang how many fouls does Horton-Tucker have?
I love how we leave shooters open on the perimeter. It's a bold strategy.
Just going to enjoy how bad this team is. Hope for the best.
Harden 27 at the half against Joel with 24. Maybe we should be watching that game!
cragarhawk said:
I love how we leave shooters open on the perimeter. It's a bold strategy.
Part of this is Self's fault.
11 2 fouls!
@BeddieKU23 All you can do.
I'm sure it's a design. If we leave them too open they'll miss like we do...
BeddieKU23 said:
Just going to enjoy how bad this team is. Hope for the best.
The hope is that Dotson, Grimes etc stay and develop.
Horton tucker shooting 27% from 3 so naturally he makes an nba guarded 3 like it was his job
Joaquín Phoenix is doing an excellent job coaching Iowa State.
James Naismith was Canadian, Fran.
That's a travel? OK
Lol. Wow. If they could hit the ground with their hat in 3 tries this is a blowout already
BeddieKU23 said:
Horton tucker shooting 27% from 3 so naturally he makes an nba guarded 3 like it was his job
Par for the course tbh
Have we actually run a play yet this game???
We are on skates on the defensive end of the floor.
And Dedric has to be stronger with the ball
DCHawker said:
Have we actually run a play yet this game???
This team doesn't run plays.
cragarhawk said:
Lol. Wow. If they could hit the ground with their hat in 3 tries this is a blowout already
This. We're lucky they aren't up by 10-15 right now. They're missing wide-open shots.
@Crimsonorblue22 Where are you seated? WHat are you wearing?
2 fouls on lard ass
Wigginton is in huck mode
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
cragarhawk said:
Lol. Wow. If they could hit the ground with their hat in 3 tries this is a blowout already
This. We're lucky they aren't up by 10-15 right now. They're missing wide-open shots.
Yup, quite fortunate. Balancing out for the last game so far...
Dang they're fouling
KU will be in bonus soon
That's the Dotson I know!
Grimes actually made a defensively play. Nice.
Dotson we've got Dotson here
Top row, lucky red
See me, waving
Grimes is going to be good some day and you guys will all sing his praises.
Whatever defense we think should work. Do the opposite
Garrett is becoming our best offensive threat - which says volumes about the state of the team right now...
I've seen enough of the press
Nice little series
They really force a coach to use a timeout so a kid can put his shoe on?
Kanu, Rush, and Chalmers in the house. Need them to give this team a pep talk on what it means to wear that jersey.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Grimes actually made a defensively play. Nice.
A miracle
Not sure how I feel about that press if that's the shot the defense is going to leave open.
Also, why is Charlie coming in?
Crimsonorblue22 said:
See me, waving
Lol
Woodrow said:
Also, why is Charlie coming in?
I'm terrified.
Woodrow said:
Also, why is Charlie coming in?
Self must have lost a bet or something.
They are leaving it open most of the time anyway. May as well press and get a chance at a steal
@Texas-Hawk-10 I said the exact same thing. Not sure you want to press a team with 4 guards on the floor and 4 shooters. Doesn’t make sense to me.
I hope to. Was hoping it would be here already. Seems like hes on a selden arc
Chuck is due a break out game...sure use him now
Charlie is in because he made 6 three pointers in a game 2 months ago against PUnxsatawkney state.
wissox said:
They really force a coach to use a timeout so a kid can put his shoe on?
Coach them to tie their shoes
No thanks please
I don't know if everyone gets the Taco Johns commercial, but it's pretty good.
Then sit his azz on the pine
Nope got frogger lottery commercials
@BeddieKU23 Geez leave it to you and he's off the team
Is he in?
@BeddieKU23. Defense for sure. He is atrocious.
Charlie was a scoring machine at Cal, you know.
We only have one foul which isn't surprising because we don't guard anyone
Gotta defend and stay in front
Baylor showing us how it's done in WVU
Ogbaji 2 TOs
Every time I trash talk a player, they do something decent. This team sucks, I tell you.
yep, can you say force it
are we in the freakin bonus geez they're fouling
Didnt take long for Charlie to help give them a layup
Can agbaji just come in and hit a 3 every offensive possession. It's easier
Bwag said:
Baylor showing us how it's done in WVU
Yeah, that was a terrible loss.
Imagine thinking Agbaji would be our savior before the season started.
Charlie should never play. #30 should play more.
@KirkIsMyHinrich anything is possible
5-12 from three with that clanker
Horton-Tucker and Weiler-Babb
What if Ochai is the alpha dog?
And lucky it's not more. Leaving them open way too often
Funny, ISU is playing their best players with 2 fouls in the first half.
@Fightsongwriter sure could use one
The lead was fun while it lasted
ISU is 8-11 on 2 point shots. If they start hitting 3s, this could be a blow out...
Gotta guard the perimeter
DCHawker said:
ISU is 8-11 on 2 point shots. If they start hitting 3s, this could be a blow out...
Yup...
This team has so many defensive lapses that they can't afford.
What is so good about Grimes?
Can we please get Dedric some touches.
@betterfireE Nothing
Ugh
Woodrow said:
Can we please get Dedric some touches.
Baffles me that this team doesn't play through him more.
kjayhawks said:
Gotta guard the perimeter
No, much better if we run at shooters from 20' away
DEFENSE!!!
Vick needs to come out.
ochai pretty impressive to get back in front of him, tbh
We should do something on off days... Like work alot on defense. And we shall call this practice
ISU has a guy with 2 fouls guarding Dedric. This shouldn't be rocket science.
I picked ISU by 12 looking pretty accurate
They are just a better team than us.
All ball showed it twice
Tons better
Ya. We just aren't used to it
@betterfireE They're not all good defensively - they just run their offense a lot better than we do and get a lot of clean looks...
cragarhawk said:
We should do something on off days... Like work alot on defense. And we shall call this practice
In th other thread there were numerous people talking about how good our defense is. I don’t get it. Iowa St is getting anything they want. At some point it’s just about effort. Either you want to get stops or you don’t.
ISU only looks good because they are shooting wide open threes
Good move to get to 2 on 1 by Dotson, but its still 2 on 1, not the easiest layup...
But apparently that is the offense Bill wants the team to run.
Dotson missing lay-ups and ISU getting all open looks. Prohm is obliterating Self tonight. A complete pantsing.
Their ball movement is lightyears better than ours and we'd rather give open 3s than 2s because Self is losing his mind this year.
BAYLOR up 12 on WV
How do we lose track of where people are on the perimeter all the time?
I'm enjoying this game. It's better then the alternative
kjayhawks said:
Their ball movement is lightyears better than ours and we'd rather give open 3s than 2s because Self is losing his mind this year.
when our offense it to drive and not pass, go one on one to one on whomever is at the rim to help...
I don't know, the mood of some here seems to be happy that they're right about us losing. See you later.
Three freshman, one sophomore and one guy in his 40s on the floor. You guys are expecting too much.
Iowa State on three-pointers: vs. Kansas: 19-for-40 (48%) vs. everyone else: 33%
Lmao
approxinfinity said:
How do we lose track of where people are on the perimeter all the time?
help defense...similar to the prevent defense the Chiefs used late in the 2nd half last night.
BeddieKU23 said:
I'm enjoying this game. It's better then the alternative
whats the alternative
Wow Lawson.
We simply cannot stop them, even slow them down. They may miss shots, but not because of anything we are doing (or not doing)....
Crowd in it. Come on d
There's a stop.
Give the AFH crowd some props. Crimson.
That's either a travel or a jump ball. Don't why Prohm's so upset.
No! that's off them!
Nice d
Jacobson got fouled. Lucky there.
3 guys there on vick's brick, no rebound. we really need to rebound better.
I think at some point we gotta learn that Vick throwing up prayers just isn't gonna win games
Vick is showing poor awareness.Cant leave Grines in if he’s going to play defense like this.
Vick’s has to make those wide open looks
Vick what are you doing?
WTF
Glad to see we worked on the last possession drill. NOT. Jezuss.
cragarhawk said:
I think at some point we gotta learn that Vick throwing up prayers just isn't gonna win games
did early in the year, but the mojo is off
Man do they pass the ball so much better than we do. Must have a much more experienced, senior laden team that's played together for years. What? 2 freshman guards and 2 transfers? How is that possible???
We did increase intensity. Vick is such a moron.
It's just sad to watch other teams come into our building and just plain want it more
I like our volleyball try to lawson
cragarhawk said:
It's just sad to watch other teams come into our building and just plain want it more
All year long
Why did Vick pass it to someone being trippled teamed?
We just aren't mentally focused. I think this team has assumed Vick's right-now identity.
And again we get lazy at the half. This team flat out the laziest no pride group of sorry individuals to wear a jayhawk Jersey.
I get getting it to Lawson, but into a tightly guarded double team...
@Texas-Hawk-10 Panic. Or clueless.
@Texas-Hawk-10 because he has zero bball IQ.
They just want it more? I call BS on that every time. Sorry.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Vick cannot brain today. He has the dumb.
That's what I see. Playing harder=want it more in my book
approxinfinity said:
We just aren't mentally focused. I think this team has assumed Vick's right-now identity.
That's leadership...
Texas Hawk 10 said:
Why did Vick pass it to someone being trippled teamed?
Because he was probably told to do so...but when the defense is taking it away?
DanR said:
They just want it more? I call BS on that every time. Sorry.
Agree...we're in a major identity crisis at the moment
As @Texas-Hawk-10 has said before... I wish we had the veteran link between Devonte and Dotson. Malik shouldnt have left.
Vick and Grimes. 1-10 from field - 0-4 on 3s and 1 RB........
I am trying to look on the bright side. We have way more points at half than Saturday.
Vick back to his other form. I hope he finds his rhythm.
So a guy can get the chance at the last second put back vs three white jerseys in the immediate area and it's because we don't know who we are? Nah. These guys have been playing ball awhile now. A sense of urgency... A drive to excel.... I won't make excuses for that. It's just plain lazy
DCHawker said:
Vick and Grimes. 1-10 from field - 0-4 on 3s and 1 RB........
Both their lines are pretty bleak...
@Big-Clyde52 Yes, but we were tied at the half in that game........
So is Ochai going to sit the entire second half again? We need him to give us some energy and stay under control.
We're trying to play 4-1 without shooters. I said before. Like my chances 3-2 with this group better. Just because of the lack of shooting. We will only look decent when 3's fall.
How basketball works is it's a big advantage to sprint down the floor, really on both ends to gain a numeric advantage. I see one team hustling and they ain't wearing white.
Grimes is in a nasty transitional funk. He just doesn't seem well adjusted. I think we can all agree most of these guys will be back next year, except maybe DLaw.
If we're going to have no rebounding at all why not throw DMack in and put Vick on the bench.
Looks like a team that didn't practice since last friday to me. No game plan on either end that I can tell except to try to outrun and gun ISU and hope to shoot 35 free throws if they get in foul trouble (which they aren't). Will be interesting to see if we slow it down in the second half, but I doubt it.
Clones controlling tempo and KU struggling to maintain.
@Big-Clyde52 2 fouls no he will play
The bottom line is that we desperately need Silvio to be cleared - not just for rebounding and some interior presence, but also so Vick and Grimes aren't on the floor at the same time...
If Vick and Q hit just a couple shots we are up. Come on guys, you have to hit those shots, especially the wide open 3's.
Serious gut check time here this second half.
approxinfinity said:
Well, at least they got the turnovers under control...
Now about that defense....
Assists, rebounds, and 3pt attempts looks liek the difference in the box score. That should all be correctable with adjustments at half time.
I've been more frustrated with Self this season than any other with KJ playing huge minutes last game and tonight, the team that killed us from 3 2 weeks ago were gonna let them shoot it. Its just not logical, I dont get it.
@truehawk93 I'm kinda slow on the uptake...
approxinfinity said:
Assists, rebounds, and 3pt attempts looks liek the difference in the box score. That should all be correctable with adjustments at half time.
This KU team just doesn't play that well as a team. I am not sure the assist numbers are ever going to get much better.
Now, if most of the core returns for next season, they will probably improve in that regard.
And yeah, 3PA...tale as old as time with Bill. We can talk about KU missing open looks but KU is only 3-8, that's solid for this team. Literally identical to ISU as they are 6-16, but obviously they shot twice as many. Weird that they have more points...
Positives: we are doing better in Turnovers (6-9), Fouls (4-7), Steals (5-4), Freethrow% (100-50)
Agbaji in over Grimes to start this half. GOOD.
Mood
@tundrahok Wish we were doing better in the score though...
Horton-Tucker is going to shoot every chance
Vick, ugh
Deflating watching them put up a fadeaway only to get the rebound
truehawk93 said:
Vick, ugh
Not his night tonight.
Why can;t we call a f'ing timeout there?
Did Self spend too much time in the sun earlier today? Very red in the face.....
YIKES
ugh
Clown call
We've fallen in love with the incredibly tough drive to the heavily guarded layup
Offense is a huge issue
For the love of God
Still can't guard the 3. JEEEEEZZZZZ!!!!
Had ton of chances to get this game close
Can’t even make a run st home. Wow
Getting what we deserve
We've had several good open looks we just can't shoot.
We get a stop and then we can't score.
Shooting would fix a lot of this.
That's the basket the eggs are all in I guess right now. That guys who aren't great shooters are gonna suddenly become that. Idk.
The way Saturday ended is in this teams head
@kjayhawks Can't make open shots, can't make lay-ups, and can't defend - doesn't sound like a great recipe for success....
Ochai and Lawson are the only two players catching the ball ready to shoot.
I'm thoroughly baffled by our inability to run any semblance of an offensive set.
@kjayhawks @BigBad Pretty much. Self had to think Grimes and Moore would be better shooters. Both have been truly terrible.
Ok, they got themselves a good shot that possession. Get a stop, do it again.
Dotson is afraid to throw an alley oop
I just wish this team could focus on each and every possession. They constantly lose focus.
Dedric was fouled on that as well
approxinfinity said:
I just wish this team could focus on each and every possession. They constantly lose focus.
Agree. If they focused on defense the entire game they could be a lot better.
The fact that self had the 4 freshmen in together earlier showed he’s looking for ANYTHING right now
I don’t usually condone flopping, but Thornton is basically asking for an offensive foul yet we kee picking up blocks
BShark said:
approxinfinity said:
I just wish this team could focus on each and every possession. They constantly lose focus.
Agree. If they focused on defense the entire game they could be a lot better.
Remember the TCU game where we got 10 steals and forced 20 turnovers? And boxed out!
Actually ran a play after the timeout even though Dotson was afraid to pull the trigger on the lob, but that's a good sign and we got the second choice shot. NOW SLOW IT DOWN ON OFFENSE for these young kids, Bill.
Kcmatt7 said:
I don’t usually condone flopping, but Thornton is basically asking for an offensive foul yet we kee picking up blocks
This team just doesn't take charges. Probably a Bill Self stupid pride thing.
Someone has got to step up and help Lawson out.
DanR said:
Actually ran a play after the timeout even though Dotson was afraid to pull the trigger on the lob, but that's a good sign and we got the second choice shot. NOW SLOW IT DOWN ON OFFENSE for these young kids, Bill.
I said this weeks ago. Lawson in the half court is better than anyone else. Slow the pace. Force other teams to execute half court. We suck in transition anyways.
GOOD D!
I tend to not enjoy seasons like this more and more. Not cause we suck. It's the disconnect with the group. Ya know. A season where we lose alot of guys. Not alot of the group that's been here is back. And it really feels more that way with Silvio out and Udoka as well now. Takes me almost the whole season to feel connected and invested in a largely brand new group like this.
Remarkable that we have only 2 FT attempts - esp. as many times as we've taken it downhill - and, at home. No one takes it strong trying to drive, draw a foul and score through contact. All the drives are falling away, hoisted shots...
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I don’t usually condone flopping, but Thornton is basically asking for an offensive foul yet we kee picking up blocks
This team just doesn't take charges. Probably a Bill Self stupid pride thing.
I like the fact that this team doesn't take charges tbh.
Come on Vick
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I don’t usually condone flopping, but Thornton is basically asking for an offensive foul yet we kee picking up blocks
This team just doesn't take charges. Probably a Bill Self stupid pride thing.
I like the fact that this team doesn't take charges tbh.
We should say f it and go full Duke.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I don’t usually condone flopping, but Thornton is basically asking for an offensive foul yet we kee picking up blocks
This team just doesn't take charges. Probably a Bill Self stupid pride thing.
I like the fact that this team doesn't take charges tbh.
Well you can’t just let guys with NFL linebacker size bully their way in over and over. At some point enough is enough.
BShark said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I don’t usually condone flopping, but Thornton is basically asking for an offensive foul yet we kee picking up blocks
This team just doesn't take charges. Probably a Bill Self stupid pride thing.
I like the fact that this team doesn't take charges tbh.
We should say f it and go full Duke.
We may not have a good basketball team, but damnit we have our pride.
Mitch takes charges. But doesn't play much.
Gosh where would this game be without Lawson
Dotson almost airballed that. Again this team can not fast break.
Alright! Alright! Just needed to flex a little here and Iowa State shows they're not terribly confident either. We can swing this mo, it's right there guys... Get tough.
Devon...bruh...you gotta make that one.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
BShark said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
I don’t usually condone flopping, but Thornton is basically asking for an offensive foul yet we kee picking up blocks
This team just doesn't take charges. Probably a Bill Self stupid pride thing.
I like the fact that this team doesn't take charges tbh.
We should say f it and go full Duke.
We may not have a good basketball team, but damnit we have our pride.
I'd rather get Ws lol
ISU doesn't have anyone that can check Dedric. Just feed him the rest of the game.
That's not a foul on Ochai.
Dude, that was just good d. BS call.
cragarhawk said:
Gosh where would this game be without Lawson
Down 22
OH BOY KJ TIME
Maybe Agbaji staying in front of his man in a Jayhawk uniform smelled funny to the ref.
how many on Ochai? 2?
Shayok carried that ball hard.
geez
KU can't get over the hump
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Shayok carried that ball hard.
Putrid refs
truehawk93 said:
how many on Ochai? 2?
4 fouls
Takes shoulder in the chest, yet somehow a block?
Clones just settling for 3s
4? Jesus. Can we get the kid charged with the Kennedy assassination
Dedric literally had a 40 year old body when he got to KU.
Come on guys...NOW...this is it...got to make a run
step... on... clown.. throat... crush... singing... telegram...
Kcmatt7 said:
Takes shoulder in the chest, yet somehow a block?
Same thing happened earlier when THT cleared out DD with his elbow.
This team can not just seem to get a stop when it needs it. Iowa St is making shots but they are wide open.
how is that off dedric?
WTF ref.
Bill here's a simple adjustment for you, everybody switches except Dedric. Half of there perimeter looks are on Dedric, wake up Bill!!!
Turrible call
Wow
Iowa St looking like Steve Blake out here.
3 > 2 as jaybate would say
we got lucky he traveled there... Vick scored that, was the first guy back, and was still a step behind the outlet man.
horton-tucker just hucking 3s and they are making enough to keep this out of reach
We should be hauling ass back every single made bucket.
how many times have we gotten burnt in transition on a made bucket this year?
kU gEtS aLl ThE cAlLs
foul, TO, foul...Wow
Can we officially write Grimes off? It looks like Bill has.
Horton tucker thinks hes kobe
Who's gonna help DLaw?
Too many fouls. We can't put them on the line. They hit them. By the way we are not getting any calls all of a sudden either.
Woodrow said:
Can we officially write Grimes off? It looks like Bill has.
If he comes back, he can develop into a good college player.
BShark said:
kU gEtS aLl ThE cAlLs
Honestly amazing that KU has more foul calls when Iowa St is just taking 3's and long jumpers all game.
Horton-Tucker hasn't scored more than 8 points in the last 5 games - but lighting us up...
Moving screens are like holding in football, you can call them every play. Better D up, Grimes is in the dog house apparantly.
approxinfinity said:
We should be hauling ass back every single made bucket.
It's not like we're crashing the offensive boards
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
BShark said:
kU gEtS aLl ThE cAlLs
Honestly amazing that KU has more foul calls when Iowa St is just taking 3's and long jumpers all game.
Dedric has been hacked and bumped all game. Prohm taking the Huggy dare em approach.
Woodrow said:
Can we officially write Grimes off? It looks like Bill has.
This team needs him to get better if they want to be any good. No other options.
I'm ok with the fouls. Playing tighter D and two free throws are better than those open threes.
kjayhawks said:
Moving screens are like holding in football, you can call them every play. Better D up, Grimes is in the dog house apparantly.
He should be. He doesn't do anything. At all.
I can’t believe you don’t enjoy ku bb. I love it. I want to win more than anyone too.
Bwag said:
approxinfinity said:
We should be hauling ass back every single made bucket.
It's not like we're crashing the offensive boards
:100:
New guys young guys
You know, we're playing like crap and only down 4 with >11 minutes left. It's Allen Field House. Plenty of time to turn it around.
And.. I’m here
Baylor beating WVU by 19 in Morgantown. ...
@Crimsonorblue22 You got this, Crimson
@tundrahok Hope is a good thing
Kcmatt7 said:
Woodrow said:
Can we officially write Grimes off? It looks like Bill has.
This team needs him to get better if they want to be any good. No other options.
I 100% agree with that. However, I think that ship has sailed.
We know they are gonna somwhoe pull this off by 1 or some shit.... But damn it's ugly right now
Now thats a good rebound Vick. Welome back to the game! we need you!
Great point from Schwerdt here
Nick Schwerdt
@nick_schwerdt
37s37 seconds ago
Iowa State knows exactly who they are. They space the floor and move the ball and don't turn it over. They will lose games when they don't hit shots. But at least they have an identity.
What's KU's identity?
Bwag said:
approxinfinity said:
We should be hauling ass back every single made bucket.
It's not like we're crashing the offensive boards
We're down 9-7 in that category, and all 7 of ours are DLaw.
Since the timeout we've been pretty good, Imo
We have 6 assists on 22 made shots...
DCHawker said:
We have 6 assists on 22 made shots...
says it all.
how many on DLaw
Garrett gets bumped 5 times no foul?
truehawk93 said:
how many on DLaw
3
NERVOUS
approxinfinity said:
DCHawker said:
We have 6 assists on 22 made shots...
says it all.
Had 6 at WVU too...so we can possibly do better with 11 min left
Mandatory Duke talking point.
KU's identity is that we don't have our 280 pound 7 foot Nigerian monster anymore.
not going to call baby bumps
Finally bastards
Vick on line
Ok...throttle up
ISU thinks they've got this
Vick save that energy and use it to play defense.
Vick have ADHD...he scares me sometimes
Bite me losers
An assist! And an easy basket.
Amazing
least vicious dunk of Vick's career. I love it.
Woodrow said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Woodrow said:
Can we officially write Grimes off? It looks like Bill has.
This team needs him to get better if they want to be any good. No other options.
I 100% agree with that. However, I think that ship has sailed.
You might be right, but giving up on him is like accepting a sweet 16. Need him to have that Newman moment where it clicks finally.
The lobbb
WE ARE ALLOWED TO DUNK? NEWS TO ME
Let's get some cushion
See what happens when you hustle down the Floor?
We are a lot better with grimes. On the pine
kjayhawks said:
See what happens when you hustle down the Floor?
Playing hard is better? Weird
THT complaining about the off-arm is hilarious.
10 and 1/2 left
Fightsongwriter said:
We are a lot better with grimes. On the pine
Sad but true. Bill knows too.
Garrett's hustle rebound was a beaut
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
THT complaining about the off-arm is hilarious.
I died of laughter
Amazing what actually wanting it more will do for whichever team that does that
KJ gets bailed
I can't get used to KJ doing that Iverson high dribble
Horton-Tucker should have 3 fouls
That's not a foul. That's a bad shot.
WE WORE THEM OUT
Let's control some clock
bad call, right? verticallity?
Ball don’t lie. That was a bad call.
Whatever stuff horton tucker takes. Lay off it bro
truehawk93 said:
Let's control some clock
But score easy when available.
Dedric won’t be back next season.
Kcmatt7 said:
Dedric won’t be back next season.
There is the combine
We have horned fans apparently. Cool I guess.
Love watching Dotson box out those big guys. They fall all over him.
Dotson needs to back that one out
@KirkIsMyHinrich yeah that viking jayhawker is new
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
We have horned fans apparently. Cool I guess.
KU Vikings?
Bwag said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Dedric won’t be back next season.
There is the combine
Lol
Where exactly did this come from??? And, can we sustain it???
brick.
Weak sauce
DCHawker said:
Where exactly did this come from??? And, can we sustain it???
KJs length and rebounding actually making a difference. At least when he isn’t fouling
Beware of the Phog!!!
How does ISU recruit those burton kid sized freaks
KJ #3. In 6 minutes.
Got to quit fouling. Unless they keep missing. Fingers crossed. We are in the bonus now also.
Maybe that's a foul on KJ, but they mugged Dedric on the other end when he rebounded it.
Token foul to stop the run
We miss so many damn shots at the rim
tundrahok said:
KJ #3. In 6 minutes.
Not athletic enough to guard.
If refs actually cared about carrying the ball I'm not sure that Shayok would be able to play.
haha...the trey brothers went ice cold...We need that 70 mark
Winning the boards now, 33-30
BShark said:
Maybe that's a foul on KJ, but they mugged Dedric on the other end when he rebounded it.
Huggins philosophy. THEY CAN'T CALL ALL OF THEM.
Kcmatt7 said:
tundrahok said:
KJ #3. In 6 minutes.
Not athletic enough to guard.
Yep. He's a 4 at best so ISU is a tough match-up.
Two super weak calls on KJ. I love the kids energy I just dont think hes a guy you want for 17 minutes.
ISU hasn't scored in 5 minutes wut.
It’s ok, he just has to make it long enough for Ochai.
Big Clyde52 said:
Got to quit fouling. Unless they keep missing. Fingers crossed. We are in the bonus now also.
Maybe refs trying to get control of game...but doing a bad job of it?
Good in doses. That's his role it seems
Hey, I go to rock a baby when we're down, I come back and we're up by 8. Its me guys, its me.
BShark said:
ISU hasn't scored in 5 minutes wut.
Sshhhhh
@approxinfinity Go back!
lol
@truehawk93 No, the 80 mark.
@approxinfinity you!!!
@approxinfinity Go enjoy the baby and we'll be up 18
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
ISU hasn't scored in 5 minutes wut.
Sshhhhh
Haha, I know...I had to say it.
12:43 Talen Horton-Tucker made Three Point Jumper. 53 - 47
It's now 7:28 to go.
Some of it is ISU missing, but KU has ramped up the intensity.
Have to keep the energy and intensity up here to close
ISU is down 6 with 7 minutes to go. They have us right where they want us...
Ok guys, put it to bed and control
garrett slasher is legit
GOGOGOGO GARRETT
the trey bros will huck 3s for the next 7 mins
Dumb foul Ochai.
Marcus decided NOT ON MY WATCH
Uh oh..........
Ref show
Fran now coaching again
Garrett seems to be the go-to guy with the clock running down.
mental lapses for ochai today. Its ok, energy is good, game will slow down.
Okay. Grimes is gonna crawl out of the cellar now. Come on!!
Ochai played great for his fourth game
We are just giving them points at the line
Like to see Grimes go off on 3s
Grimes making his first appearance this half. I am nervous.
Woodrow said:
We are just giving them points at the line
I mean at least Agbaji tries on D
front end - come on Marcus...
DanR said:
Ochai played great for his fourth game
:100:
Quit fouling!!! And make our FT's.
Come on Grimes...show us what you got
@approxinfinity kids going to get better and better for the next 3 yrs
no foul?
Hey that's cool, good job Vick, make the simple play, collect it, look up, fire it to open man.
YOU. CANNOT. STOP. THE LAYUP MAN!
Keep driving MG!!!
Garrett with his 20 foot long arms is unstoppable
Nice drive Garrett. I wish you would have made that on Saturday.
Marcus KFreeze Garrett is a revelation.
Garrett taking over?
What a drive MG!
we play half ass defense there, not committed to crowding the lane nor guarding the perimeter. So we're not forcing anything, always just reacting. But got lucky
I honestly think if they called both ways, ISU would have 15 fouls.
haha...Garrett says, "F" this
Devon inspired by Garrett!
DanR said:
no foul?
We didnt pay these we guys for that. Wait a minute looks like they didnt get paid
Not even bothering with the weave anymore, just going one on one
Grimes got lucky that wasnt a 4 point play.
Trading 3 for 2 is not optimal guys
Come on Q. What was that.
Notice it's they are down 5 with 4, not we're up with 5
They are going to keep chucking 3s. And, we have one more 1 and 1. Have to make effing FTs down the stretch....
Grimes sucks. Period
FTs...
3's are going to kill us!!! We can't guard them to save our life or the game. And MG you have got to make the free ones.
Garrett as great as he has played is killing us at the line.
Got to jump in the jocks of Wigginton, Weiler-Babb, Horton-Tucker and whats his nuts? We got to lock them down beyond the arc
@BeddieKU23 He's giving up the ball VERY quickly. Wants no part of it...
Great night for Marcus. Fearless driver
BeddieKU23 said:
Grimes sucks. Period
Did he not play against high level competition in high school? Highlights seemed so good.
Grimes has 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists. I don't understand it.
It's official. Ochai must learn to play without fouling so Grimes can acclimate to the bench
BeddieKU23 said:
Grimes sucks. Period
Was that bad D or just good O...I lean to good O, but perhaps Grimes just doesn't recover fast enough?
He did but hes lost at this level
Let’s go!
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Grimes has 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 steals. I don't understand it.
Well, Agbaji is fouled out and KJ is terrible too so idk if there is an answer right now.
Now I'd stop switching for a possession to see if it keeps guys from getting open 3s. Gotta go over the screen fellas.
cragarhawk said:
It's official. Ochai must learn to play without fouling so Grimes can acclimate to the bench
Ochai got some pretty weak calls against him tonight.
Prohm playing 4 guard and Lard
Also, Garrett is 7-11 5 reb 3 stl and a block tonight. He's missed 2 fts. I'll take that every time. He's is not even close to one of the issues with this team.
BShark said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Grimes has 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 steals. I don't understand it.
Well, Agbaji is fouled out and KJ is terrible too so idk if there is an answer right now.
I understand why he's playing. I don't understand why he can't do anything.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
cragarhawk said:
It's official. Ochai must learn to play without fouling so Grimes can acclimate to the bench
Ochai got some pretty weak calls against him tonight.
I think Ochai is going to get a rep for being an excellent defender and not catch some of those whistles in conference play next year.
@truehawk93 Lard fouled out
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
BShark said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Grimes has 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 steals. I don't understand it.
Well, Agbaji is fouled out and KJ is terrible too so idk if there is an answer right now.
I understand why he's playing. I don't understand why he can't do anything.
Probably somewhat mental.
Effing Vick!!!!!!!
@tundrahok Ah
Vick and bad entry passes. Name a better duo.
knock a guy down. no foul?
KJ Jesus, dont dribble. rip the ball and find an open man. WHY!
Very nervous that Grimes has to play in crunch time.
Something I didn't think I'd be typing before the season started. He's so bad on both ends. Could cost KU this game.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
BShark said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Grimes has 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 steals. I don't understand it.
Well, Agbaji is fouled out and KJ is terrible too so idk if there is an answer right now.
I understand why he's playing. I don't understand why he can't do anything.
Thinking way too much. And he’s just lost. The speed of the game is too fast for him right now I think.
Athleticism and skill aren’t the issue.
What a horseshit foul call.
ISU is just throwing up prayers
WE are going to get robbed.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
What a horseshit foul call.
Refs taking over
@Big-Clyde52 Clowns said they would be robbed by refs
Pathetic refs pathetic
Bad, terrible joke of a call
Aaaand ISU wins
Here we go turn over city.
stop throwing it away on offense guys
come on. refs didnt make that crappy pass.. stay ffocused marcus!
Sorry - those 2 "entry" passes weren't the refs fault....
Vick, don't pass to the guy being guarded by multiple players!
forgot 6th man - refs, but KU needs to play all the way through
@Texas-Hawk-10 He does not know any better. STUPID!!!
Yet another 6 point lead late pissed away in a flash...
Literally more than half of ISU's field goal attempts have been 3-pointers and they've almost doubled us up in free throw attempts. I expect that kind of bs in Morgantown, but not here.
Really, whats with the "feed the big" tunnel vision. Make the read.
Let's stop doing what got us the lead. Check.
Drive it!
We do this every single game
Remember when I said the Texas and Baylor games were anomalies? LMAO
Wow just wow at that last foul call they owe us at least 4 calls
nice kickout
haha, Self flashbacks to WVU, WOW they just cant hold it
Why are we always fricken chasing people around from no where on defensse...ridiculous.
Why is Dedric's help so slow there? Clearly Shayok is driving
Grimes checks in and we go right in the crapper
wow wiggington.
Shayok al they have
Out of control Devon!!!
OK, we're at the 1:27 mark. Learn anything since friday?
Ugh what is Dotson doing
Bwag said:
Why are we always fricken chasing people around from no where on defensse...ridiculous.
And we're not even double teaming anyone...what the hell is the strategy, I really don't get it.
Dotson was fouled LOL
I WILL DRIVE. YOU WILL FOUL.
And 1. Iowa St whining about every call when the refs are trying to give them the game.
MG!
I WILL BRICK FT.
Man if he could shoot
We have 1 time out...
dumbasstiness on both ends there
Garrett is now 0-4 from line
Dedric strong
Traded Doke for Garrett for scoring only within 3 feet
lol Wiggington is trying to do too much after stupid pass. Lucky that worked out for Iowa St.
Free throws man
guard the arc guys and NO fouls
Lawson has some long arms, man
With Garrett's driving, he needs to get to 70% otherwise teams are going to hammer him to stop the And 1's.
milk the clock
Shut up, Fran
Get the ball to Dedric....
Dedric!
Too bad KU couldn't get the ball after that sit down
you have a timeout if you need it bill
Wow
Hell yeah Dedric!
that's game
DEDRIC
DCHawker said:
Get the ball to Dedric....
But not if he's tripple teamed
Make the friggin FT"s
When Dedric passed it Vick I thought he was going to bring the ball up the court, lol.
Watch the trey
Come on Devon. This is the game.
No excuse for DD to miss Fts
Dedric Lawson is outta his gourd, Dedric for President 2020
I would have saved that timeout
YEs
Don't get stupid and we win.
29 &15 for DLaw
The good news is... We probably win this.. The even better news is, we could have won it by 15.
Bwag said:
29 &15 for DLaw
This seems good tbh
Time out is good with lead
Don't give up a quick score - and then don't let Vick throw the ball in-bounds...
WHAT UP B-RUSH!
Clean!
THIS PLACE IS CRACKIN!
Huge ft but that was harder then needed
Pray for me safe trip home
@Crimsonorblue22 Will do.
BeddieKU23 said:
Huge ft but that was harder then needed
Used all the rim
Haha, way to ruin the suspense @Crimsonorblue22 :)
Get the friggin rebound!!!
Make two and go home.
Was there a reason DMack didnt play?
Haliburton, a poor ft shooter makes 2. Par for the course.
Big Clyde52 said:
Make two and go home.
youre ahead obiously
THT fouling out is pretty nice.
The winner.
Haha...Hillbillies and the Clowns had a little B12 ruse to "dethrone" us...not tonight
"The best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores" - Calipari
Dotson is growing up before our eyes
What was Dedric doing contesting that???????
Clowns can't blame the refs. The refs did their part and CLowns had a chance...BLEW IT
Thanks, @Crimsonorblue22 for the victory
Good win boys, not bad and showed some nice things tonight.
My ticker is taking it hard though...geez
The winner tomorrow night will be tied with us for first place.
Was that a Duke - what's the most hated guys name - Laettner play attempt of a prayer for a 4 point play/
approxinfinity said:
"The best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores" - Calipari
Except at Kentucky...they go the League or else
Dotson 8 assists 0 turnovers.
@Crimsonorblue22, you need to go down behind the guys at the post game show. Do a double peace sign so we know it's you.
They need to stay focused, learn, regroup, and win again one game at a time.
I don't care about UK. It means absolutely nothing. We need our guys healthy. We can't afford an injury. I hate these stupid conference challenges.
You pretty much have to start Ochai now.
@truehawk93 Yeah, especially in the middle of conference play.
Fightsongwriter said:
You pretty much have to start Ochai now.
He at least does things. Grimes did literally nothing tonight.
@Fightsongwriter That might put a dagger in Q's confidence. I good with O coming off the bench.
This decent final 10 minutes and the Kentucky game could give this young team some mojo
Was just thinking the last 10 minutes or so finally broke the funk. Time to take that to rupp
Lawson is a late second rounder at best and that won't change next year either. Improving his 3 point shooting might boost him to early to mid 2nd round status next year.
Really pleased with the second half, defense was much better. To me it all started with hustling, I dont believe we got beat down the floor at all and we got some transition buckets. Crazy that a team that shot 30 3s and fouled us on purpose shot 4 more free ones than us, Owell survive and improve.
8/13 from 3 didn't hurt tonight
DanR said:
This decent final 10 minutes and the Kentucky game could give this young team some mojo
:fingers_crossed: :fingers_crossed:
KU now has 2 wins Texas Tech doesn't. A home win over ISU and a win in Waco.
I'm sure what's up with Grimes, you could make a strong case for Ochai to start over him. I'm not gonna sit here and beat him up but man we could be so much better if he plays well.
Grimes has Tyshawn Taylor syndrome. I don't get it. Does Grimes think he's entitled regardless of his play. He needs to get his head screwed on right. I have a good name for him, Can't Get Right
We evened the rebound differential in 2nd half, and we improved our FG%.
Last 16 minutes were pretty good by this team. Backs were against the wall and they fought back and got the job done. Proud of that effort.
@kjayhawks play the guy who looks like he's been starting all year, IMO. Self might have learned something by expecting Selden to magically produce in games his first 2 years
BeddieKU23 said:
Hes not d league or euro ready either. They can draft a name but that's it
Yep.
I think he'd be better next year, but retaining Dotson is much more important. I think Dotson is the key to next year's back court being really good. Sprinkle in some more improvement from Garrett and Ochai.
@Big-Clyde52 you are correct! that's not all that great.
One game at a time
It should not be impossible to bottle up what we did in the TCU game and what we did in the last 16 here and reproduce. Marcus going to the hole is really solid, Dedric is the same dude we've had all year, plus his 3pt% is starting to normalize. Dotson is still lightning fast and has a ton of upside if he's encouraged to hold on to the keys and run the offense. Ochai won't foul out next time, Grimes had a bad game, we didn't even use DMack, and Charlie and KJ didnt have enough time on the floor to do anything to be meaningful either good or bad. This is very reproducable with a lot more upside to it.
You know my record here?
Gotta stop and pick up my dog
@Crimsonorblue22 you undefeated?
haha, happy Bill.
Undefeated
That’s why I’m doing the down and back
".. but we need to get the wheels back on." - Happy Bill.
Translation: "I still like our upside".
@Crimsonorblue22 TMI.
@approxinfinity KJ actually provided a decent spark tonight even with his few minutes. Good sign too.
@approxinfinity I admire your priorities
I'm so glad we didnt giftwrap the Big 12 for Iowa State tonight. Send the ketchup and mayo boys home hungry.
Who are we rooting for tomorrow? Kitties or Tech?
Big Clyde52 said:
Who are we rooting for tomorrow? Kitties or Tech?
I'm cheering for Tech.
Seems like a big difference between 5-2 and 4-3 in the standings right now. Big win.
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@approxinfinity Good choice! Sometimes babies, even if totally nuts, are easier to deal with than the endings of games.
Especially when, upon calming down, they just give you the sweetest innocent look and your heart melts.
When did anyone's heart melt looking at a player who had been driving you nuts?
@tundrahok Well, okay, but wrapping him in a blanket and cuddling would likely not have gone well.
Usually they grow up so fast, but that was not the case with Tyshawn
DanR said:
Usually they grow up so fast, but that was not the case with Tyshawn
PHOF lolol
Drove us all nuts at times too
@approxinfinity By then you will be a typically frustrated angry parent who cannot remember your heart melting.
KU 10+ points, 8+ assists, 0 turnover games since 2010-11
Devonte Graham on 11-18-16 against Siena
Devon Dotson tonight
Also, made the ice in Jason Kidd's game drink melt.
mayjay said:
@approxinfinity By then you will be a typically frustrated angry parent who cannot remember your heart melting.
sad but true.. i'm smelling the roses and poopy diapers with this one :smiley:
approxinfinity said:
sad but true.. i'm smelling the roses and poopy diapers with this one :smiley:
you talking about the baby or this team?
Baylor has to be the surprise team this far, they didnt look good at all in the non conference. Obviously WV is the big let down, which still makes me mad about Saturday lol.
Roses are crimson,
Jayhawks are blue,
my baby's farts stink,
and so do KU's
@kjayhawks Yeah I still have that country roads bs ringing in my ears.
Made it home. Thx for 🙏 gotta find a ticket for TT.
@approxinfinity KSU or tt going down one tmr!
Holy jeebus, did I just see that Baylor score right? Dang. Anger from Saturday revisited.
On to tonight’s happiness...
— helluva second half. Like two different teams. aggressive. Mean. Liked it.
— Ochai’s energy was great. I can see now his handle needs some maturing, as evidenced by his awkward drives tonight. Good to see he’s got the nuts to go there though. Love his rebounding ability.
— Dotson is a gritty little mother effer. He’s got that Frank non smile.
— nothing positive from Grimes tonight. Looks like he only played in the second half because of foul trouble. He quickly needs to figure out one simple thing he can do to contribute, and do it well.
— KJ is a %#$@&** spaz. He’d fit in better if it were 1995. But I suppose he helped tonight.
— I honestly thought ISU was going to pull away in the first half. Shitty fan, I know. They just seem to have better athletes — bigger, stronger.
— loving the new Garrett.
You guys had fran?🤣🤮! right off he said isu could beat us for big 12 champs. 🌪🌪fran
He had his 40 minute formula for beating KU ready. They executed it for 25 minutes and then Fran was pissed. Looks like we'll get a 1 game break on Saturday at Rupp from this puppet
Fran spends the whole game talking about how to guard and beat KU and then wonders why KU fans don’t appreciate him? What a joke. He makes me miss Dave Armstrong... a lot. Wow!
Dedric commented after the game that ISU's bigs were fouling him all game, lol.
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