Someone brought it up on another page, but some sports talk guy was rumoring Self to the Spurs next year. I didn't hear it, haven't looked into, but let's just pretend he got some inside scoop. Who do you like for the job? Lots of good candidates out there. Their qualifications are simple. Recruit non OAD elite players to KU, be a potential HOF coach, and catch and pass Kentucky on the all time win list. Win some natty's. Keep the KU brand in the highest consciousness of college hoops fans and media.
Same rumor for years because of his connections with the GM
HE NOT GONING ANYWERE
IF he was to leave - -and again that is IF - -this would be the year - -because of the following reasons. - -This whole NCAA/FBI mess - - # 2 - -because of the NCAA PERIOD - - # 3 -- this is the one NBA team that he has been mentioned with quite frequently - -because of the connections - -& # 4 - -the struggles of the team this year - -oh ya then also the possible upcoming sanctions and possible penalities. . - - -ROCK CHALK ALLDAY LONG BABY
How about that funny lookin' Bobby Hurley kid at ASU? Could we get past the Dookishiness?
DanR said:
How about that funny lookin' Bobby Hurley kid at ASU? Could we get past the Dookishiness?
HELL. NO.
@approxinfinity Double he** no. Never know when he might get diarrhea at a crucial moment.
Did u see him get knocked over by a loose ball last pm? He was po'd. It was hysterical.
OK OK OK, moving on!
It's a very real possibility. Ppl need to get a grip on this reality, and truthfully there's obviously more shady doings than we know about. It's unfortunate and a stain on the history. Clearly we have recruiting issues and have had for years. Could be time for a different direction sadly
@HighEliteMajor hmm I missed that the first time around :joy:
@wissox I don't know....your logic and timing makes perfect sense; however, I just don't see Bill leaving on a down note (which this year already is when you factor in Dok, Silvio, investigation, et al.). Because of who he is and what he's meant to our program, he seems more like the kind of guy who would walk into the sunset after winning the NC.
Fightsongwriter said:
@wissox I don't know....your logic and timing makes perfect sense; however, I just don't see Bill leaving on a down note (which this year already is when you factor in Dok, Silvio, investigation, et al.). Because of who he is and what he's meant to our program, he seems more like the kind of guy who would walk into the sunset after winning the NC.
I could very easily see this happening. - -There comes a time when a guy says enough is enough. - -Bill MAY just be fed up with all this NCAA bullshit. - -The recruiting process of this job can be very hard - - tiring - - and Bill has mentioned in the past about the NBA.
He really doesn't have anything else he needs to accomplish at the College level. - - He has a streak for most consecutive championships that will NEVER be broken in this day and age - -He has an NCAA championship - - -He is a College Hall of Fame Coach , nothing really left for him to accomplish at the College level. - - - -he was able to be able to have his son be with him through College -Coach him
With all the bullshit the NCAA THIS just might be the time - -With Popovich retiring sooner then later - -this is the ONE NBA job I could very easily see him leaving for and get his feet into the NBA with the Connections he has with the Spurs. - -He wouldn't have the stress of having to recruit -being away from family as much - -with this NCAA mess/ the FBI thing - - -the struggles the team has had - -THIS could be the year.
Thanks @DanR for actually answering the question!
A couple of names worth keeping an eye on: Will Wade at LSU is showing some ability as a coach. I really like what he is doing there, but the locals, as I well know, don't really care all that much, so he could be a hot commodity, and he's still very young. The guy appears to be a great recruiter as well. Take a look at NBA draft boards and see the LSU names on there.
Maybe Brad Stevens will realize that the NBA is structured that all of the elite players just go to the elite teams and they're all in the west. The NBA championship will reside there for the next half decade until Joel's Sixers mature into a championship outfit. 5 years is a long time to wait. He can come here and compete for Natty's immediately.
I don't have a finger on the assistant coach scene. Obviously there are some out there who will become successful head coaches.
Always good to dream lol.
That said, I doubt the current (?) Spurs rumors are substantial.
A more realistic NBA coach might be Billy Donovan, in my opinion.
Personally, I've been impressed TTU's Chris Beard.
If a KU connection is necessary, Jerrod Haase might be the best bet.
@BShark There might be a number of teams that might gamble on Self and part ways with their current coach if they know Self is interested.
HighEliteMajor said:
A more realistic NBA coach might be Billy Donovan, in my opinion.
Personally, I've been impressed TTU's Chris Beard.
If a KU connection is necessary, Jerrod Haase might be the best bet.
I don't think Beard would come to KU.
I am not sure the name KU would actually get would be a huge splash name. Self wasn't a super huge name but he turned out alright. I hope this isn't a real discussion for another 5 years though.
@HighEliteMajor at programs like KU I donāt think you need connections to the program. You go hire the best most realistic guy. There is not one coach with KU ties that is qualified for the job.
Personally I would call Few and make him say no.
Among college coaches, Chris Beard would be near the top of the list right now. I agree with @wissox about Wade at LSU being worth a look. Chris Mack at Louisville would be another interesting name considering his success at Xavier. Nate Oats at Buffalo would be a name to look out for as well.
Texas Hawk 10 said:
Among college coaches, Chris Beard would be near the top of the list right now. I agree with @wissox about Wade at LSU being worth a look. Chris Mack at Louisville would be another interesting name considering his success at Xavier. Nate Oats at Buffalo would be a name to look out for as well.
Solid list.
Also I am just not convinced that the NBA is remotely interested in Self at this point.
Chris beard is respectful of our program too.
@dylans Iām sure dozens of power 5 programs have came at Few, heās probably too late in his career to leave. Now the Blue Bloods like us I donāt believe have came after him so who knows. People donāt give him enough credit for what he has done, Murray State, Wichita State and a list of other mid majors have had good 5 year run but he is in a class of his own in consistency for a non power 5 program.
@Crimsonorblue22 Beard or Wright would be my first choices at this point.
No Wright is wrong for me!š¤£
Has a big 12 coach ever moved directly from one team to another in the conference? Huggins went to WVU from KState, but they weren't in the Big 12 yet. Billy Tubbs went to TCU from OU in 1994... long gone before they joined the Big 12.
I sure can't think of anyone right off the top of my head.
DanR said:
How about that funny lookin' Bobby Hurley kid at ASU? Could we get past the Dookishiness?
NAW, NAW, HELL NAW
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Did u see him get knocked over by a loose ball last pm? He was po'd. It was hysterical.
Where is this? I will pay to see this clip.
HighEliteMajor said:
A more realistic NBA coach might be Billy Donovan, in my opinion.
Personally, I've been impressed TTU's Chris Beard.
If a KU connection is necessary, Jerrod Haase might be the best bet.
@BShark There might be a number of teams that might gamble on Self and part ways with their current coach if they know Self is interested.
I like Donovan.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
No Wright is wrong for me!š¤£
A WRONG doesn't make it a WRIGHT
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@truehawk93 pay up I posted it
Chris Mack no way.
It hit me like a lightening bolt : our next coach is ... Devonte Graham. Don't hate on this idea...I could be on to something...The second his pro career ends, I want him on the staff learning all he'll need to do to take over when Coach retires.
KUSTEVE said:
It hit me like a lightening bolt : our next coach is ... Devonte Graham. Don't hate on this idea...I could be on to something...The second his pro career ends, I want him on the staff learning all he'll need to do to take over when Coach retires.
Would take, though I don't think Self holds on that long.
Fwiw, Naadir Tharpe actually is coaching right now. Who would have thought that?
@Fightsongwriter Maybe we could lure Liberace.....
@nuleafjhawk Huh?
@Fightsongwriter Bruce Weber
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It's been too long - i forget how to upload pictures in here.
@nuleafjhawk Hit reply (not quick reply) and click on the cloud with an arrow icon above the text box to insert a picture.
@nuleafjhawk If you are using a smat phone instead of a tablet or PC, you will have to scroll the icons at the top (the bolface, italics, etc) over two items to unveil the upload icon. The emoji icon is the first hidden one, upload with cloud and arrow is the next one. I spent months before I discovered the invisible part of the icon bar.
@nuleafjhawk Well, it acts like it's going to show the pics, but doesn't!
@Fightsongwriter Was just making (silly) suggestions for future coaches.
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At this point, your first offer has to be Tony Bennett. But I think he stays on the East Coast and holds out for UNC or Duke.
Your second has to be Chris Beard. But he has UT's next HC written all over him.
3rd, Will Wade. A legit candidate imo. Probably a lot depends on who leaves first, Cal or Self.
Nobody else jumps off the page. Hoiberg may be a decent consolation prize.
Mick Cronin I could probably live with.
Chris Mack would be fine, but probably not leaving.
Steve Wojciechowski could be a candidate by the time Self is done, but he's a Dukie.
Mitch Henderson is interesting.
Nate Oats is interesting.
Craig Smith is intriguing.
Justin Hutson is a guy to keep an eye on.
Mike Hopkins is already doing good things at Washington. But not sure he's a blue blood fit.
Andy Enfield kind of is ok, maybe. I can't tell.
Mike White would be good. But he's from Florida so I doubt he'd leave.
Wes Miller would seem like a good hire if he maybe bumped up a level and still had success.
Kyle Smith is on a decent trajectory, but doesn't seem to have "it"
Chris Jans is probably a stud coach. Like has all the makings of one. But he has Greg Marshall ties, so puke... But also, he's coached in Kansas multiple times now so he probably wouldn't turn down the job because of the location or anything..
That's my list, thank you.
there is NO WAY I would want bennet - his offense sucks - -got to be the most boring offense in the Nation - I would take someone with KU ties way before Bennett - -ummm PASS
Forgetting maybe the best option, Nevada's Musselman. What he has done there is truly remarkable in a short time. Modern offense and can recruit.
No on Bennett. What @jayballer73 said.
Like the Musselman mention from @BeddieKU23, but second to Beard in my book.
BeddieKU23 said:
Forgetting maybe the best option, Nevada's Musselman. What he has done there is truly remarkable in a short time. Modern offense and can recruit.
Something seems off about him. Iām going to play wait an see first.
No on a guy who can consistently put together a top 15 team at a second rate ACC school?
Because he plays at a slow pace? I think Iāll take the defensive guru and known commodity in Bennett any day if the week.
Beard is basically the same guy with less of a track record lol.
Next yr will be the test without all those seniors but he is an exciting coach. I dont see the flags but its remarkable what he has done. I still prefer Jay Wright but I think Musselman would be a logical contender unlike Wright. I just fail to see a real successor at the moment. We are all looking for the perfect guy but in reality HOF types like Self are just irreplaceable
BeddieKU23 said:
Next yr will be the test without all those seniors but he is an exciting coach. I dont see the flags but its remarkable what he has done. I still prefer Jay Wright but I think Musselman would be a logical contender unlike Wright. I just fail to see a real successor at the moment. We are all looking for the perfect guy but in reality HOF types like Self are just irreplaceable
We are lucky.
Which is why I think itās funny that people shoot down someone like Bennett so fast. Heās the type of guy that would at least keep us on a path of success.
Look at UCLA, Syracuse, and Indiana. It doesnāt last for forever.... Itās not a guarantee that KU can hire a guy that keeps the train moving.
Even UK struggled under Tubby. Duke could struggle under whoever is next. UNC was fortunate they had a HOF coach they could poach.
Bennett is a hell of a coach but the stigma of his offense will always follow him. He actually has a group this year capable of scoring. Not sure he has consistently shown that with other teams. With his reputation I wonder if he limits the type of recruits KU could get given all the challenges they already face to land kids. You are right though he instantly would make the program churn on at a high level. I'm still not sold on him as a tournament coach which is another big conversation to have regarding him. Not a perfect coach for KU imo but the list is so small to begin with. I have to think KU goes for someone when the time comes that is relatively young enough to stick around 10-15 years. That itself makes the list smaller
I'm a Beard fan as well. He definitely has my respect how he has come into this conference and not only been successful he seems to be very good with the media and how he talks about other programs. Easy to like.
Kcmatt7 said:
No on a guy who can consistently put together a top 15 team at a second rate ACC school?
Because he plays at a slow pace? I think Iāll take the defensive guru and known commodity in Bennett any day if the week.
Beard is basically the same guy with less of a track record lol.
Nope pass but good luck with him - -myself really not into slow mo offense I'll take up and down the floor - -the smooth running open floor offense instead of pass - - pass - - pass - - pass - - pas - - - pas - -pass - - pas - -pass - -waiting for my friend sitting next to me to wake me up when they decide to shoot a 20 footer a the end of the shot clock- -maybe rebound then -pass - - -pas - -pas - -pas some more not what I call and exciting brand of ball - -Hell I'd take Turg - -Or Danny before I'd take Bennett - but you go ahead - - I'll pass - really hard from a stand standpoint for your fanbase trying to watch and get jacked for the bran of ball. - -Hell the most exciting part of a game like his offense might be a 6-0 run during the game - -just doesn't get me hyped - -sorry
Who in their right mind would rather coach Texas CBB than Kansas?
So I saw Cronin's name now with Mack. Seriously, anyone know of the history of these two clowns? First class jerks in my view. Their teams In Cincy were always fighting, arguing, posing, etc. I'd be chagrined to say the least if KU hired either one of them.
@HighEliteMajor PHOF!
I'm still kind of hopeful Bennett winds up at Wisconsin where he's from.
Bennett coached a one seed to a first round exit. IDK about him. Decent coach, but methinks KU will do better.
@colohawks Iām with you. Just playing the game.
All I know is I donāt want someone with KU ties at this point. Manning didnāt pan out. Haase is ok, not great. Does Vaughn still coach? Not a good sign that I donāt know.
The current assistants are old except Snacks and heās not doing much for me. Townson could be a decent head coach somewhere.
@HighEliteMajor Beard is a UT alum and it was where he got his start coaching. I also think, and this could be wrong, but he left the UNLV job for the Tech job to be closer to his daughter.
So, I could see why this would make sense in his case. Otherwise, I'd agree with you.
If Bennett make the FF this year, does anyone's tune change on him?
It isn't like Self's offense, until recently, was anything exciting. Swing swing swing swing lob.
Count me with those who would not enjoy a Tony Bennett style of play here. Some of the most boring ball I've ever watched. Now, it may not be the best reason but it's definitely a reason.
If we're gonna keep on playing the dirty game that everyone apparently is and has to play. May as well get Pitino. Surely he has figured out by now how to not get caught again... Lol. JK
@Kcmatt7 You've just indicted Tony Bennett -- well, in the loose way we've seen recent indictments at least. You brought up FFs.
Tony Bennett, with all the good teams he's supposedly had, he's never made the FF and made just one Elite Eight.
I think his style of play is what Bill Self used to want to do, but a bit more extreme. It's what has held Self back in the past.
It can create regular season success, but when you're offensively challenged, there in a much smaller margin of error -- which is a big deal in a one and done format.
No doubt, an excellent coach.
But I have no desire for this type of approach. I want national titles.
@HighEliteMajor In addition to wanting titles, I also simply enjoy watching fun, high scoring college basketball. We have been so spoiled over the years to have fun offensive teams to watch all season long. Watching 35 games that are played in the 50's does not sound appealing.
I like offense. Think about the Chiefs. This team is SO much more fun to watch than the "Marty ball" of the 1990's.
@joeloveshawks And, a little known fact, you can play excellent defense while scoring a lot. It's why Self's statement about giving up points is just ridiculous. It's all relative to possessions. If you score quicker, there will be more possessions. But you can still play good defense. There is not some innate connection.
More possessions is a longer game in a way, meaning there is more of an opportunity for the better team to demonstrate it's dominance. Of course, there's the discussion of bad shots, valuing possessions, etc., that we can't ignore. But scoring the ball frequently creates a greater margin of error.
You can be terrific defensively and give up a higher points per game than a lesser defensive team. Again, it's all relative.
@HighEliteMajor Thing is, Bennett is doing what he is doing with mostly 3 star recruits or guys in the back half of the top 100.
Imagine what he could do with the major bump in recruiting he would get at KU?
Self was always a good recruiter. Bennett has done what he's done with far worse players than Self did on his climb. I'd expect Bennett to absolutely dominate with better players.
@Kcmatt7 I agree - I would take Bennett in a heartbeat. He has built a consistent winner without getting the top tier talent that has gone to Duke, and, to a lesser extent UNC, in the ACC. His teams play great defense. They haven't been nearly as good offensively, which has caught up with them in the tournament, although this year's UVA team can score and play at a faster pace. Averaging just 3 points less per game than KU, with obviously a much better defense. Would think that Bennett could recruit higher quality talent at KU - although he may well have more NBA talent on his team this year than we do...
@HighEliteMajor I will let @Kcmatt7 answer for himself, but to your point, UVA has outright won the ACC 3 of the past 5 years (one 2nd place finish) and is tied for the lead this year - in a conference that has a lot more top tier talent and much stronger teams at the top (i.e., tourney champs). Doesn't make him a better coach than HCBS - but pretty strong evidence that he is a damn good one - regardless of what one thinks about the style of play....
FYI,
Current 2019 commits
Shedrick- #56, Morsell #58
2016 class
Kyle Guy- #37
Ty Jerome- #44
Jay Huff- #57
Deandre Hunter- #91
Braxton- Key #59 (transferred from Alabama)
2015 Class
Diakite- #32 (enrolled half a semester early)
2014 Class
Salt #356
Everyone but 2018 recruit Clark and Salt ranked outside the Top 100. It does seem like he's done more with less but overall everyone in his rotation besides those two were highly regarded HS prospects
HighEliteMajor said:
@Kcmatt7 So do you then think he's a better coach than Self? That would be a good selling point. He's had success in a better league.
It is a tough question to answer. I think he COULD be. But he might also be worse.
However, his floor is by far the highest of any other hypothetical candidate out there at the moment. And, his ceiling is definitely high enough to win a NC. Which, to me, makes him a safe hire that would certainly protect the legacy of KU basketball.
I just don't want to be the new UCLA. Or Indiana. A has been program holding on to decades old accolades and finishing in the middle of the pack.
Sacrificing a little bit of ceiling height to ensure the floor doesn't give out is important to me.
BeddieKU23 said:
FYI,
Current 2019 commits
Shedrick- #56, Morsell #58
2016 class
Kyle Guy- #37
Ty Jerome- #44
Jay Huff- #57
Deandre Hunter- #91
Braxton- Key #59 (transferred from Alabama)
2015 Class
Diakite- #32 (enrolled half a semester early)
2014 Class
Salt #356
Everyone but 2018 recruit Clark and Salt ranked outside the Top 100. It does seem like he's done more with less but overall everyone in his rotation besides those two were highly regarded HS prospects
Fair enough. They still don't finish absurdly high in any team rankings nationally when recruiting. But most likely that's because they keep 4 year players and only need to replace roughly 3 guys a season.
To answer your previous question. I don't think a Final 4 would change my opinion on Bennett. A title may sway me but its a Championship. At that point I think it would be stupid to not recognize him if he did win it this year.
I think his group of kids he has developed for this year is his best yet but its taken 3-4 years to get this core group here. He does this every couple of years imo getting his core to the top. I think he's proven he can sustain success year in and year out which is a big selling point for him. Tournament success is still his monkey on his back. That 1st round historic loss will always be there. Imagine the pressure this team will face this year in March to get the first out of the way.
Whatever coach does have to take over for Self it will be incredible pressure.
I didn't include his 17 or 18 hauls which have done nothing outside of Clark who's playing big minutes as a 300+ ranked recruit. Definitely agree, his classes don't get the national attention UK/Duke/KU get.
Also great points about having a coach sustain what we have and living with whatever shortcomings he might have in certain areas that we are used to being strengths at KU.
I think Bennett has adapted some on offense this year since he has a squad that can score. Their 3 main guys are as good as any in the country
Kcmatt7 said:
@HighEliteMajor Thing is, Bennett is doing what he is doing with mostly 3 star recruits or guys in the back half of the top 100.
Imagine what he could do with the major bump in recruiting he would get at KU?
Self was always a good recruiter. Bennett has done what he's done with far worse players than Self did on his climb. I'd expect Bennett to absolutely dominate with better players.
I think your fighting as losing battle here from what I see as fa as having Bennett at KU - -thank GODI don't think we will ever have to worry about that happening. -- And what he is doing is NOT making it to final fours there is not a lot of people willing to put up with that type of offense - - it's a snooze - -nobody wants to see that - -like is mentioned here from other posts - wanting to see scores in the 70-80-3 not upper 50's to low---mid sixties
@jayballer73 I'd rather watch that than watch us lose. Bill Self didn't have a FF before KU. Roy Williams didn't have one either. Bill Self played a boring style of basketball when he got here. Sometimes he still does.
Winning is the most important thing. Period.
Kcmatt7 said:
@jayballer73 I'd rather watch that than watch us lose. Bill Self didn't have a FF before KU. Roy Williams didn't have one either. Bill Self played a boring style of basketball when he got here. Sometimes he still does.
Winning is the most important thing. Period.
Well thank GOD were not goin to have to worry - -I'll still take Bill anyday - and you can have Tony - -and then we will worry about it IF and when that comes. - -Still don't think for the ones that DON'T or wouldn't want him here - -will have to worry about that happening - -just don't see them taking him here. - -As far as style - -I mean if your into watching boring ball then good for you -- just not my thing - -wake me up when it's over lol
Kcmatt7 said:
Winning is the most important thing. Period.
I wholeheartedly disagree. Thatās why Iām still hopeful Bill Self comes out looking better at the end than he does now.
I genuinely thought he was above reproach and a winner. Now heās just a winner. I want that good feeling back. I donāt know if itāll happen or not.
As for Bennet, KU could do much worse, but Iād prefer someone else at this point.
dylans said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Winning is the most important thing. Period.
I wholeheartedly disagree. Thatās why Iām still hopeful Bill Self comes out looking better at the end than he does now.
I genuinely thought he was above reproach and a winner. Now heās just a winner. I want that good feeling back. I donāt know if itāll happen or not.
As for Bennet, KU could do much worse, but Iād prefer someone else at this point.
Well if thatās your criteria, being ācleanā, there arenāt many options.
Iām actually ok with every coach found to be in the least bit implicit in breaking the fundamental rules of amateurism/NCAA being banned for life. Especially if itās going on here with MY team! Kick all the cheaters out, but donāt miss a single one.
dylans said:
Iām actually ok with every coach found to be in the least bit implicit in breaking the fundamental rules of amateurism/NCAA being banned for life. Especially if itās going on here with MY team! Kick all the cheaters out, but donāt miss a single one.
Would require a fundamental change in the NCAA, and then becoming willing to completely take all money out of college athletics.
And even when Wooden was doing his thing, that wasnāt enough to keep money out.
That or changing the rules to accept what is currently ācheatingā.
@Kcmatt7 How about just enforcing the rules on the books? Seems like that would make for an even playing field. Iām not of the opinion enough people committing a crime should make it legal.
And here begins the slippery slope of your core beliefs vs mine and I donāt want to go down that road. It likely doesnāt end cordially or belong here so thatās where Iāll leave it.
Cheers
dylans said:
@Kcmatt7 How about just enforcing the rules on the books? Seems like that would make for an even playing field. Iām not of the opinion enough people committing a crime should make it legal.
And here begins the slippery slope of your core beliefs vs mine and I donāt want to go down that road. It likely doesnāt end cordially or belong here so thatās where Iāll leave it.
Cheers
Do you not think laws should ever change?
HighEliteMajor said:
Who in their right mind would rather coach Texas CBB than Kansas?
Someone who is an alum of Texas like Beard. Rick Barnes also showed you can win huge at Texas so it wouldn't shock me to see Beard in Austin very soon since their new arena opens in 2021.
It's the same reason why the Self to OSU rumors were common early in Self's tenure.
Kcmatt7 said:
dylans said:
@Kcmatt7 How about just enforcing the rules on the books? Seems like that would make for an even playing field. Iām not of the opinion enough people committing a crime should make it legal.
And here begins the slippery slope of your core beliefs vs mine and I donāt want to go down that road. It likely doesnāt end cordially or belong here so thatās where Iāll leave it.
Cheers
Do you not think laws should ever change?
Legalizing something because you suck at enforcing it is a bad reason to legalize something.
Texas Hawk 10 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
dylans said:
@Kcmatt7 How about just enforcing the rules on the books? Seems like that would make for an even playing field. Iām not of the opinion enough people committing a crime should make it legal.
And here begins the slippery slope of your core beliefs vs mine and I donāt want to go down that road. It likely doesnāt end cordially or belong here so thatās where Iāll leave it.
Cheers
Do you not think laws should ever change?
Legalizing something because you suck at enforcing it is a bad reason to legalize something.
Is enforcement really the problem? They are an organization with no subpeona power
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@Kcmatt7 Yes, enforcement is a problem because the NCAA has a history of not enforcing their own rules equally across the board. That's an issue.
Because itās almost impossible to do. I mean there is no benefit for schools or players to cooperate and they have no ability to get the info they need in order to enforce the rules.
@Texas-Hawk-10 The issue is virtually impossible to solve because the NCAA does not have investigative authority over 3rd parties. Even if players were allowed to make money from their own fame, that doesn't address people who steer benefits to families independently.
Free agency in the pros shows us that there are few people, even those in 8-digit income brackets, who aren't willing to try to get more. The NCAA can't stop players' families and hangers-on from profiting and trying to influence a kid.
Solution? No freaking clue.
@mayjay The solution is pretty easy, make the punishment so severe getting caught makes it not worth it. I.e. lifetime ban for players and coaches. That or execution Iām not sure which would work better. (Which is why while disappointed about Silvioās situation I donāt think itās all wrong as long as other players and programs are punished equally across the board...Iām looking at you Zion.)
If things prove to be as corrupt as believed here, Iām over college sports. There is no pride, no true joy in winning by cheating. I donāt cheat in solitaire why would I enjoy screwing someone else over?
Even if the other party is cheating, that doesnāt make it acceptable. Thatās how I live my life, Iām not sorry if itās too high of a standard for these supposed roll models and community leaders to achieve.
@Texas-Hawk-10 It can't be done. They screwed themselves by letting outside money in. Shoe companies and TV run the NCAA and it's institutions. Not the other way around. It's a complete farce. A facade.
The only way to enforce it now is to strip TV rights from schools/conferences. And develop a generic apparel brand that provides all gear for the schools. If that happened, the NCAA wouldn't exist because they couldn't justify giving more money to one school over another. And therefore the P5 would leave. And the P5 and their fanbases are the sole reason they have a $1B a year TV deal for the NCAA tournament.
The NCAA doesn't care about amateur athletics. And there is nothing amateur about D1 sports anymore at all. Even the Olympics recognized it was an issue once too much money came in and sponsors all wanted a piece. So they adjusted their rules to encourage compliance.
Tony Bennett to the FF. Honestly hard to believe some wouldnāt want him as the coach.
Tony Bennett gets over the hump like Bill did in 2008. Bennett wouldn't be my first choice but if you want a similar coach to Self. He is the best bet IMO, both are excellent regular season guys that haven't always performed well in the tournament. I think Bennett has embraced a little bit of offense this season and its paying off.
dylans said:
@Kcmatt7 I donāt want Bruce Pearl.
Pearl is a walking violation. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets violations at Auburn too.
I heard Emmert's interview with Seth Davis. This biased and unfair investigation the NCAA is wagering, against KU, is horrible. I don't care what KU has done, the NCAA is not going to lead the investigation against all "suspected" programs. Emmert said, "We've suspected these violations were taking place and now we will apply severe punishments." They are so biased and I'm for investigations and punishments against violaters. My concern is, how fair and consistent will the investigations be? and how "severe" will the punishments be against the violating teams?
What teams do they choose to investigate? What violations do they choose to punish? What punishments do they apply? Right now, KU has been given a horrible punishment against SDS by making him ineligible this year and next? WOW! AND...they are not done yet imposing punishments. IF Self leaves this program with violations, I will NOT be a Self fan.
Basically, KU is set to being the example for all the other cheaters. I have not heard a word about Arizona. Emmert said they didn't want to have this hovering over the tourney. How nice! I don't think the NCAA has done any investigations, nor will they. They do not intend to because they will end with KU and maye a few other lesser blue bloods. They have their scapegoat. KU will be the SMU of college bball. Brace yourself KU Nation. This is not looking good at all. We can forget SDS's appeal. They have a blue blood to take the fall. The message will be that no matter who you are, you will be punished.
Charles Barkley admitted during the pre-game show. Teams cheat, cheating, and will cheat. Question is, will the NCAA be consistent with investigations and punishments? JOKE
Good to see TT advancing and representing the B12.
HighEliteMajor said:
@Kcmatt7 I may retract my opinion on Bennett. Iād still stick with Beard #1. But Iām in retreat mode on Bennett.
I think either would be a fine option for sustained excellence.
Self, assuming he is still coaching KU next season, could stand to watch nothing but TTU tape over the summer for defensive scheme ideas.
I hope recruiting hopefuls ignore this coaching banter completely. If they do, I hope they ignore it completely. We need stability, not instability. We don't need to be throwing stupid coaching plans out at this point.
But this doesn't look good at all. I don't think we'll get Hurt...pun intended.
Hurt said this week, while preparing for the McDonaldās game, that he would announce his college decision on April 19 ā a day before his 19th birthday ā and he will be choosing between KU, Duke, Kentucky and North Carolina.
Talking about who is replacing Coach Self is crazy - - he isn't going anywhere. - -Unless Ku shoves him out - -not even worth talking about - - sure seems some pretty sure he is leaving - -SMH. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@jayballer73 He's not going to be here forever and circumstances like this years have caused other coaches to leave. It's worth speculating about because it could happen.
wissox said:
@jayballer73 He's not going to be here forever and circumstances like this years have caused other coaches to leave. It's worth speculating about because it could happen.
not likely -a lot better - - we can worry about it if and when IT HAPPENS - -he leaves - -he leaves - -were gonna be ok either way - -I'm sure there are other Coach's that would be just fine and would be willing to come IF that happens.
Seems like we did just fine when Larry left with a Coach that had NO head coaching experience.- - - I'm not to concerned. - - BUT I'm not gonna sit around and fret till we hear something a little more serious then fans scuttle butt - -and play the what if. - -that's like me saying WHAT IF I become the POPE tommorrow
We still down on Tony Bennett?
I'd take either of these guys in a heartbeat.
Kcmatt7 said:
We still down on Tony Bennett?
Nah, but does he get to keep the ACC refs Iāve been hearing about? š
@dylans it's funny and sad when you think about it but going back ACC teams to 1991 Dook vs us, ACC teams get the whistle. I remember being bored a few years ago while on nights and watching that game for the first and only time (wasnt even 3 when it happened) and found myself yelling at the TV in a game that I already knew the outcome.
@kjayhawks Thatās probably when my deep seething hatred for Duke began.
Lol I had a couple interns last summer who started talking trash in KU. I let them as it doesnāt make me any bigger being twice their age and their boss. But I threw in a (I thought) fairly safe ok, but I absolutely canāt stand Duke (not that nicely though). The next day that bozo was wearing a ratty old Duke shirt. Heās a huge Duke fan (and KSU fan too, the depths I sink to to get help). I grilled the other helper (his HS best friend, both from small town KS mind you) to find out if he was for real or just messing with me. He was legitimately a Duke fan. Yikes, open mouth insert foot. But then I let him have it in a more good natured manner and all was well.
Kcmatt7 said:
We still down on Tony Bennett?
LOST TO A 16 SEED THO :p
When a guy wins a national title, overcomes the unprecedented embarrassment of losing to a 16 seed -- match that with a stellar sideline demeanor -- it's incredibly impressive.
It's partially an explanation for UVA's loss last year. One of their starters was injured and didn't play. They didn't play UMBC at full strength. Again, partial excuse because they should have had enough talent to beat that team, but it still meant a different UVA team playing.
@kjayhawks I've said it here before, but the '86 FF game because us and Duke started it for me. We were a powerful team, tied with '97 as best teams not to win. Duke fouled us 14 times while we fouled Duke 26 times. I have not gotten over it! FT disparity was huge, Brown was livid. About 3 guys fouled out which enabled Duke to overcome a late deficit. We got some revenge several years later of course. I've always wondered if Danny might have left that year or a year later if they'd won in 86 meaning they definitely don't win in 88, but I'm glad it worked out the way it did.
Guys...i'm shocked no one has brought this up. I believe i have id'd the perfect candidate.
He has 1000+ career wins, a staggering 11 NCAA championships (putting big 12 streak to a shame), 6 undefeated seasons, etc...the list goes on and on.
He, ofcourse, is GENO AURIEMMA!!! He has bill self beat in every aspect of the game. Just imagine the banners we would add. We would put Duke away for good.
@TheTrooth I've heard his name mentioned before. Nothing serious mind you, but it's interesting to ponder the most successful womens coach coming into the mens side of things. I think the biggest part of his success has been he gets to pick and choose the best players and unlike the mens game, they stay for 4 years.
@nuleafjhawk And they problably don't watch the cheerleaders/dancers on the floor during timeouts!
I think Auriemma could handle the coaching part of the men's game. The struggle would be the recruiting side of things. Getting guys to buy into listening to a "women's coach" could be tough. Recruiting from that angle could be even tougher. That takes nothing away from what Auriemma has done in his career. He's great. I just don't know how the players would respond, or if he could get them to commit.