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Ouch so far. That is all

What happened to the other game thread? I went for a beer, came back and it was gone.

Ouch indeed. Rough one.

Lol @BeddieKU23 .... Whatchoo doin man??? :joy:

Can we get un-ugly for the rest of the half pls

What happened?

@approxinfinity He got fed up and took his ball home.

This could end up being the worst in conference loss in decades. We due are to lose the conference. Put in the scrubs and rest for Monday.

No boards either

Someone deleted the thread :eyes: @BeddieKU23

Ochai looks a lil overwhelmed tonight

Hey at least we have an active home win streak going :)

@approxinfinity til Monday anyway

Good D Marcus!

Wasn't expecting a W here, but some dignity would be nice....

Silver lining? Idk if we could ever play this bad again

Ok Charlie. String together good stuff guys

Dang they can't miss

Charlie made a shot

And now he's trying to win it by himself.

Mitch I'll take your good luck there. Let's go

Charlie Splinters.

Charlie makes one shot, then returns to dumb ass form.

Welp. Going to the liquor store.

Good job , good effort little Jayhawks.

That was the definition of getting punk’d

Looks like I’m not missing much.

@Bwag a shooting clinic, charging clinic too

Wellp, this may be our greatest comeback even under Bill Self!!! Where do I sign up??

I think I"ll catch up on True Detective rather than watch the 2nd half....

@approxinfinity I'll go streaking nude in this weather gladly if KU can even finish within 10 points.

You don't need to post pictures on here, but make sure you run by a cop so you can take a pic of the citation?

@approxinfinity lmao

I'm predicting we get it down to 8 pts.

Haha

@kjayhawks go anyway! Hustle

@Crimsonorblue22 it wouldn't take much for me to put forth more effort than us in the first half.

It's not all effort

We don't have many shooters, one is on a leave.

Which is why effort, defense, fundamentals need to be a focus. Would be nice to see one of those.

Fun question, who would win in a pillow fight Dedric or Perry Ellis? I think it would have to be a pillow fight , both guys have super weak hands.

Texas Tech is really good. Offense and defense.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

We don't have many shooters, one is on a leave.

I can shoot and I try hard. Put me in.

@KirkIsMyHinrich hey if you'll play hard, that will be an improvement

Holy crap just saw the score. I made the right choice for my evening but it will be a sweet Jayhawks comeback

@KirkIsMyHinrich sounds good!

Look like Dedric was fouled there

Wonder what the hell Bill even said at halftime.

Win 2nd half

@Crimsonorblue22 By 26

Lol. Yep

Maybe we can score 45 total?

Come on Dedric

See my weak hands post on Dedric lol

Boards! Need doke under there

geez...someone forgot there was a game?

Figured Dedric would be so much tougher

We are playing like crap, but we are also getting a garbage whistle.

@truehawk93 not someone, quite a few lol

Maybe we r not helping this half?

Good gawd this is ugly. I don't get it at all.

Only down 1 plus 20

Agbaji is just a kid.

No 50 50 balls

That's some ugly luck

If jaybate were here. He would say Bill was willing to concede this game. In order to work on Monday and fully amp the team. Believing both techs will stumble elsewhere...

Idk if I buy that. But I can see it now

We can get it back to tied minus 20 here

approxinfinity said:

We can get it back to tied minus 20 here

baby steps

The only enjoyment I'm getting out of this is I'm not letting my Missouri fan inlaws change the channel

cragarhawk said:

If jaybate were here. He would say Bill was willing to concede this game. In order to work on Monday and fully amp the team. Believing both techs will stumble elsewhere...

Idk if I buy that. But I can see it now

That still puts us behind KSt 2 in the loss column.

Yeah kJ!

Tied minus 20!

Get it under 20 and they'll fold

I wish we had another rebounder so dedric didn't have to.

KU should offer Beard a fortune once Bill is done here.

Why can't Moore shoot so infuriating

He doesn't square up

He shot that from his chest. Just awful

Crimsonorblue22 said:

He doesn't square up

That too

I just want the team to get better. I could care less about the streak. We know it probably ended last year anyway. And to be frank. A team of mostly freshman doesn't need the pressure of the streak. Nor can they probably handle it. Before some bad luck this team could have handled it. Not now and that's okay. Why would we expect it

Ksu probably is guaranteed at least a share at this point. I dont care really, just win Monday and hopefully by an act of God we can make a run in March.

Someone tell me what we took on Moore again? Good aau teammate we are pursuing. ? His uncle saved Bills grandfather's life in 'nam or something?

Shit Mitch got fouled twice

Give TT credit they are all throttle. They are giving ksu a gift.

Squared up there

Can we not lose the second half by 10?

Worse than the tcu YMCA game

Why is Garrett stopping 8 feet away from the corner shooter there on the close? Small quick steps, close all the way... isn't that what you're supposed to do as a good defender?

@DanR I don't think it's worse. TCU sucked that year. T-Tech is good.

Yes! We have just lost to many bodies. It's showing.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Yes! We have just lost to many bodies. It's showing.

I can buy that.

I don't remember ever losing a game by 30.

Ya tech is a top 15 team, TCU wasn't a top 100 team. Similar in terms of effort and energy.

Tech averages 6.9 3-point makes per game on the season. They have 12 tonight. The banked one was lucky, but mostly our defense has been atrocious. This team is a mess.

Frannie is about to explode. He's enjoying this one.

@truehawk93 the whole big 12 outside of Lawrence is happy.

Boy ochai is way off. Did they all try to eat the 72 oz steak challenge before the game?

Agbaji looks like a kid, Charlies back to being Mr Chuckles, Q is starring in a Lost In Space reboot, Garrett looks like he needs another game before he remembers how to play elite level defense, and Texas Tech is :fire: :fire: :fire:

Tough night.

Almost Villanova all over again in terms of shooting

kjayhawks said:

@truehawk93 the whole big 12 outside of Lawrence is happy.

You bet your ass they are happy. Once Doke went out and SDS was ruled out, they all knew it was over. Its always KU against the B12. They really know how to kick a team when they're down and thats the only way KU can be beat. They sure as hell can't beat us at full strength and damn well know it...asses all including f'ing media shatheads.

Bill probably wishes we didn’t play Monday so he could kick their asses in practice tomorrow

kjayhawks said:

Almost Villanova all over again in terms of shooting

maybe worse. There was not a moment in this game where we were even close to making a comeback.

Maybe he should anyways. This all but ends the streak

I'll see it when I believe it? Fran quote

Ok. that about does it.

Considering we were riding pretty high going into this game, I really just don't get it

:bank: :gun: :slight_frown:

Wow another banked 3. Their 14th of the game.

Hell, TT could probably get their intramural team in there right now and win at this lousy rate.

How mad can we be? Sure, we weren't good. But assuming we played our best, can we guarantee a win? This team was lit.

Barry Brown and KSU are watching this game laughing, thinking about Branden Greene lol.

Ya we're not good at basketball.... Said in Chevy Chase voice

I think tt could beat duke with the king tonight. That's how I'd put it

Don’t think we’re coming back.

Get 'em Big Mac, hell drop a trey or two big man.

@approxinfinity KU wasn't winning this at their best, Tech is a better team IMO. But to honest I think KSU is a better team as well.

Tell you what... I'll be watching TT in the tournament. Hope they represent hte Big 12 well.

Wow, Grimes? I've got nothing. He's a total no show. His best game was MSU.

You gotta give Beard tons of credit, lost all five guys and is a great team.

@kjayhawks you do know we handled tech earlier?

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@kjayhawks you do know we handled tech earlier?

I think that's his point. We beat them and Beard corrected.

Beard is very underrated.

@Crimsonorblue22 have you seen our recruits compared to Techs?

Nooooo

I'm not giving up on our team. But its going to take a lot of good stuff to happen for us to get to the Sweet 16 and beyond.

Culver bringing it. He's trying to pad his stats. They guy has 20 plus and he's shooting treys. And they're up 30? Wow.

@truehawk93 Yes that's what I was getting at and they dont get near the classes we get. If Beard gets to Texas or big time school, look out because hes getting a national title.

I hope they save some 3's for the tournament. If they shoot like this they are basically Nova from last season.

@truehawk93 he fixed their shot really fast! I said he'd be my first choice if self left.

approxinfinity said:

I'm not giving up on our team. But its going to take a lot of good stuff to happen for us to get to the Sweet 16 and beyond.

NO. Not giving up, but this is an old fashioned butt kicking. This is the kind of butt kick Self loves.

@approxinfinity idk if we can win a neutral site game against average team.

Can we put Ollie in at this point?

Dotson is yawning.

Culver is gunning for 30 tonight. I hope he gets it too.

@truehawk93 wouldnt want him to look bad lol

kjayhawks said:

@truehawk93 wouldnt want him to look bad lol

At least HE'S NOT YAWNING on national tv.

@kjayhawks probably not.

Oh well, lets wrap up and get out. Lick our wounds and get ready for what may be a bigger game. You know, I don't care what happens. I just want them to beat the purple pussies.

True out

Amazing what is possible with effort nice game Tech.

On plus side I dont have to go streaking @approxinfinity lol

lol. The day Charlie Moore rises up and takes this team to a NC is the day I shave my head, you go streaking, and who knows what else happens that other people bet as collateral against fantastic improbabilities.

Watched the whole thing. Not sure if I am a big KU fan or just a masochist.

@approxinfinity an asteroid hits the earth and we all die lol

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Watched the whole thing. Not sure if I am a big KU fan or just a masochist.

@KirkIsMyHinrich The latter.

Did not look like a team that wanted to win the conference.

I think we lose Monday as well, heck we may lose out.

Looked like a team that starts 4 freshmen. Freshmen have always had a hard time on the road in the Big 12.

@tundrahok looked like a team that started 5 guys that didnt give a flying f*** about the out come of the game.

Well looks like Vick wasn't the cancer we all thought he was, this is just this team.

They are kids. They get rattled. I don't think it's accurate to say they don't care. They are going to have to live with the legacy of losing the streak. That's a lot of pressure when you are 18 years old. It had to happen sometime, and there are plenty of reasons why this year is the year. Not caring is not one of those reasons.

@tundrahok if we lost because they were on fire, I'd be fine with that. But we didnt, we showed zero energy, effort or heart for much of the game. If this team has any care or heart at all, they will prove it Monday by kicking KSUs ass. Which I'm not betting on.

@tundrahok I'm going Monday. Better be a win!

We looked out-scouted.

Cannot win this game with that kind of effort from Lawson and Dotson. They need to be good every night, no exception.

I'm sorry, was there a game tonight?

I shook Ethan Happ's hand tonight.

Its amazing how bad Ochai and Q were. In a 57 combined minutes they shot 2/9 had 5 points, 5 rebounds and 3 assists. Ochai was probably due for a bad game but man will Q ever figure it out. Self needs to sit him IMO, he flat out doesn't give us the best chance to win. He and Charlie should take seat for the rest of the year. Not sure why Dave didnt get more minutes, his numbers were the best per minutes played. What tough game to witness, the guys on post game didnt really seem to care much, just said Tech couldn't miss and laughed it off.

Hawk8086 said:

I think I"ll catch up on True Detective rather than watch the 2nd half....

Actually, True Detective may be worse than this game this season.

So just starting to watch the game. Saw the score earlier, so I’m at least watching suspense-free.

Tech made 16 3s? Holy jeebus.

Still 4:53 left in the first half. I may stop watching...

Is it safe to come out yet? I thought we were playing Tech...why did Villanova show up?

Expecting our young team to go into that environment and win was probably hoping for too much. But expecting to be competitive was no asking too much. However....it was one of those nights for Tech...Banked 3's being an example. Our young team didn't respond too well...hence he butt kicking.

@Hawk8086 Right, I just can't remember a kansas team putting that little effort into a game. Even Ochai and Lightfoot weren't getting after it.

@kjayhawks You know that I love Bill. BUT... we couldn't stop the 4 out when Hoiberg and the Clones ran it, we couldn't stop Villanova when they ran the 4 out last year, and we couldn't stop Tech when they ran it, too. I could probably throw in VCU in that mix, too.This was a coaching loss. Stay with your man - don't overcommit on defense doesn't seem to be in our lexicon. The way you're defending the 4 out is not working, Bill.

One other thing I want to get off my chest- the media for the last freaking 14 years....have BARELY even mentioned our world record holding 14 year consecutive conference winning streak. Now that it's on the ropes, you can't go on any sports website without it being plastered about us in real doubt of winning again this year. So if we lose...or fail, it's big news. When we win, they could care less.

HighEliteMajor said:

I'm sorry, was there a game tonight?

LOL - - -NO - - just some YMCA Practice. -- --ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KUSTEVE said:

Is it safe to come out yet? I thought we were playing Tech...why did Villanova show up?

One of the sad parts of this game -- and believe me there were MANY sad spots - - BUT ONE that has chapped my ass all year long? - -was our 3 pt defense or better yet - - lack of it,

Soooo many fricken times this year have I seen a so called defender lung out art the opposition's 3pt shooter and go flying past them like they Superman flying buy with a half heart olay hand up in the air

I have seen this crap ALL fricken year - shooters WIDE open - - hell - -even I could roll out in a wheel chair get my blanket out --take a swig of my geritol cover my lap and have time to look through my stack of porn's by the time they could get someone out to try and keep my from putting up a 3 pt shot - I mean JUMPIN - - GEE - - HOSSIE - - TOADS - -When are we going to learn how to defend the 3? - gettin pretty sick of this crap - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Make no mistake, three point defense is about scheme. It's a conscious choice by the coach. And it's not easy.

Think of it this way. If a coach wanted to defend the three point line most effectively he would place five defenders in a zone near the three point line, around the three point line. Of course, easy bucket underneath. More practically, a coach can simply switch actively away from the hoop and go into "no help" mode. There are obviously options less stark, like no help mode targeted to specific players.

My point is that our poor three point defense is not largely a function of our players failing (as @JayHawkFanToo would always say), but rather, it's based largely on our scheme.

That isn't really 100% criticism. It happens with most teams. You try to cut off the drive to the hoop and the closer basket.

But in reality, the three point line is as dangerous as the drive or the post up. Many times more dangerous. I just don't think we respect that enough defensively. We saw it against Villanova in the FF. The three point line was an open range. Open shots. Easy looks.

You can't defend everything. But what we defend is certainly a choice. And the choice is made by Self.

Of course, players can fail in their delineated tasks. I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing a large number of clean looks.

@HighEliteMajor I don't really get the way we play defense on the 3 point line most of the time. Seems like most of the shots from distance are from the corners of the court. Several were Saturday, the issue is that the guy guarding the guy in the corner when the ball is only one pass away is in the lane or damn close to it, to protect the drive and be there to help. The trouble is if the 3 point corner shot is one pass away he simply does does not have the time to get back. You shouldn't be more than 2 steps away from your man if it is one pass away, thats basic defense (one pass away means that there doesn't have to be a skip pass over several other offensive players, if they had to skip it you would fine sagging that far off because you can recover while the ball is in the air). I feel like our defense and rebounding have lacked very badly since 2012 or 2013.

@kjayhawks We were watching a clinic on how to guard the 3 point line as we were getting thrashed. Start doing to teams what Tech did to us. One other thing- if you're getting pummeled from the 3 point line, don't go to a zone. It doesn't work. I am hoping for a great rebound game tonight, as they seem to provide that after a road loss once they get back home ( 15-0). Thank God the NCAAs are on neutral courts, although I wouldn't be surprised if our 4/5 seed doesn't net us a Sweet 16 match up with Dook.

@KUSTEVE I’d like to see that game...with a full roster.

@KUSTEVE That zone against T-Tech was certainly a head-scratcher. I think we weren't really competing by then. Just practicing.

Charlie isn't shooting well... But he's no Jack white! Lol 0 for last 28 from 3

approxinfinity said:

Charlie isn't shooting well... But he's no Jack white! Lol 0 for last 28 from 3

oh my. Just looked and he went 0-10 against Syracuse when they lost in Cameron. He's 1-32 in his last 15 games. wow

Wow. I haven’t heaved a basketball in over a decade, but I’m willing to wager a sizable sum that I could make 3% of my threes.

@dylans Great point. I'm 60 and feel the same way. It has to come down to just practice (or lack of). You repeat a motion often enough and it's going to become second nature.

If he's really that bad after continued practice - just quit shooting the dang thing. Give it to someone who can.

Tyrell Reed went through a similar stretch one time I believe.

Vick had a horrible stretch at one point and then couldn’t miss for awhile after.

Sometimes it has nothing to do with practice or muscle memory. It is just a fluky thing.

Why do good hitters go on 0 for 30 stretches?

If White all of a sudden starts hitting again, Duke becomes that much better. I’m sure K is telling him to keep shooting.

dylans said:

Wow. I haven’t heaved a basketball in over a decade, but I’m willing to wager a sizable sum that I could make 3% of my threes.

I was trying to explain this to my family the other day about Grimes. Yes, he's playing with more verve these days, but those games where he literally had no discernible stats is incredibly hard to do. I told my mom if she just stood out on the court in the same spot for 30 minutes during a game, I guarantee she could amass at least one rebound or grab a loose ball.

And because she would be standing still as the loose ball came right to her, she would probably get run over by a moving player who was diving for the ball, allowing her to go to the free throw line and get some points as well. There. See? A septuagenarian just bested a 5-star, #8-ranked recruit.

You really have to try to contribute nothing in the game of basketball.