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Arizona & LSU coaches will have to testify in court..

I wonder how much press this will get when things come out..

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-arizonas-sean-miller-lsus-will-wade-notified-will-subpoenaed-federal-hoops-corruption-trial-180149786.html ↗

I would imagine it will get a ton of press. Miller is a big time fish in this. Highest profile coach on the West Coast.

Still no one looking into Zion tho.....This is a all a ploy by Coach K and Nike at this point. Ayton was too good of a recruit to not be a blue devil.

OH BOY

https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-wiretap-reveals-lsu-coach-will-wade-discussed-recruiting-offer-hoops-scandal-middleman-175046487.html ↗

Again, I wonder, why Wade isn't charged? If Wade isn't speaking for the university, he should be charged just like the defendants. If he is speaking for the university, then the university is not a victim as the defendants have argued.

Assuming the former, he is as culpable a co-conspirator as one could imagine.

According to Nathan Fenno of the LA Times Nebraska and Texas have now been linked to the FBI trail. This according to a superseding document.

@Woodrow

Sources say its Nebraska and TCU

Javonte Smart, paid to go to LSU, how shocking

https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-wiretap-reveals-lsu-coach-will-wade-discussed-recruiting-offer-hoops-scandal-middleman-175046487.html ↗

I hear there was a dossier created on Wade, that the dossier had unverified information in it, the dossier was paid for by Alabama fans, it was then turned over to the FBI, the FBI used this dossier to get the wire tap warrant, the FBI didn't tell the judge the source of the dossier, the FBI agents involved were Alabama alums and hated LSU, the FBI agents even texted with Justice department officials about how they hated LSU, the FBI was allegedly hoping to get information on a meeting with an Adidas rep, but they just so happened to put the wiretaps in a building where LSU was doing its game-planning for a big game with Alabama .... or something like that.

Burn.it.all.down.the.end.

I think it'll be Texas. They were really involved in the Tugs Bowen saga.

@FarmerJayhawk I thought they named a tcu ast coach

@Crimsonorblue22

CU assistant coach Corey Barker allegedly received a payment of $6,000 from Dawkins in July of 2017, in exchange for Barker steering certain student athletes to Dawkins’ company, once they entered the NBA.

Spot on

Good call. Well it’ll be a matter of time for UT and Shaka

@FarmerJayhawk

Yes it will.

Will Wade was suspended Indefinitely.

Should last less then 24 hours. The NCAA will clear him LOL

I'd imagine they have to withhold Javonte Smart as well, no word yet..

BeddieKU23 said:

Will Wade was suspended Indefinitely.

Should last less then 24 hours. The NCAA will clear him LOL

Wow, LSU acted fast. Has anyone heard of any information coming out on U of A and/or Sean Miller?

bcjayhawk said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Will Wade was suspended Indefinitely.

Should last less then 24 hours. The NCAA will clear him LOL

Wow, LSU acted fast. Has anyone heard of any information coming out on U of A and/or Sean Miller?

The rumor is Miller is toast after the season.

FarmerJayhawk said:

bcjayhawk said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Will Wade was suspended Indefinitely.

Should last less then 24 hours. The NCAA will clear him LOL

Wow, LSU acted fast. Has anyone heard of any information coming out on U of A and/or Sean Miller?

The rumor is Miller is toast after the season.

While I believe this to be true it is amazing he has signed the #1 recruiting class in the country and Bill can't even get a top 100 kid.

Woodrow said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

bcjayhawk said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Will Wade was suspended Indefinitely.

Should last less then 24 hours. The NCAA will clear him LOL

Wow, LSU acted fast. Has anyone heard of any information coming out on U of A and/or Sean Miller?

The rumor is Miller is toast after the season.

While I believe this to be true it is amazing he has signed the #1 recruiting class in the country and Bill can't even get a top 100 kid.

Look at last year’s classes. Zona was in the spotlight all year and is going to miss the tournament.

It's interesting that Miller has been fully supported by Arizona's AD and administration tho he supposedly on a recording talking about paying 100k to Ayton. While LSU has suspended Wade for talking about an offer on recording. You could spin the word "offer" a ton of different ways but by suspending they have pretty emitted guilt IMO.

Miller seems resigned to his fate. His comments tonight were odd to say the least

To add to the crazy, Arizona has the best class as of last week in the country come in. 🤔🤔

kjayhawks said:

To add to the crazy, Arizona has the best class as of last week in the country come in. 🤔🤔

Soon to be pillaged.

bcjayhawk said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Will Wade was suspended Indefinitely.

Should last less then 24 hours. The NCAA will clear him LOL

Wow, LSU acted fast. Has anyone heard of any information coming out on U of A and/or Sean Miller?

There was an Article on Miller off the ESPN site where he was addressing the Arizona fans thanking them for their support this season. - -Basically like the article said sure sounds like he was talking in the frame of mind that he was done. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

This whole FBI sting thing - -NCAA corruption is just getting started - -this like they said could very easily change NCAA basketball - -before it's said and done this thing is going to reach near and far - -a lot of stones over turned - it will get REALLY - - - REALLY UGLY - a lot more schools to come - -just like we seeing hearing other schools being mentioned now and you wait there will be other BIG TIME SCHOOLS exposed - -far - - far from over. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Speaking of poachable players...

LSU signed

https://247sports.com/player/james-bishop-46043160/ ↗

https://247sports.com/player/charles-manning-46057693/ ↗

And was probably going to get

https://247sports.com/Player/Lester-Quinones-46047862/ ↗

https://247sports.com/player/khadim-sy-80635/ ↗

Khadim Sy interests me.

Quinones could be a difference maker here but there's ya know concerns. We cant really take those

For what it is worth (somewhere between 1 and 2 cents).. I have a second cousin visiting from AZ, he was a D2 player down there. He said Miller is done and probably headed off to the big house. I know it is just rumor stuff... but he lives AZ basketball.

I have a hard time believing AZ basketball won't get handcuffed by the NCAA, too... though the real threat is FBI -

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-investigations/2018/11/19/why-sean-miller-cant-shake-fbi-college-basketball-investigation/1984094002/ ↗

@drgnslayr To think years ago I was touting him as the next KU coach!

Burn 'em all and tell them hell is coming

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26250429/wade-talk-lsu-fed-probe-over ↗

That's a good look for ya Wade.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26249459/auburn-suspends-assistant-bowman-amid-probe ↗

Has Bruce Pearl ever had a clean assistant coach..

LOL. I'd like what he's drinking

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26262626/lsu-wade-says-allowed-coach ↗

TCU fired their assistant coach Corey Barker. He declined to interview with TCU at the advice of counsel over allegedly accepting $6,000 in bribes to steer players toward Christian Dawkins' agency.

Will Wade is reinstated. Cant wait to see how this one ends

Glass house or maybe I’d break out the popcorn.

Wade's reinstatement might be short lived.. LSU stole Texas A&M's Athletic Director.

The convenience just keeps on truckin'

Sean Miller will not take the stand at trial due to relevancy

We are going to be the only team that suffers from this some way some how

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26560848/miller-wade-testify-hoops-trial ↗

:eyes:

“The evidence establishes very clearly that Sean Miller is paying players at Arizona," Haney said during Friday morning's hearing.

When asked by reporters following the hearing about that statement, Haney said, "You'll have to be here to hear the evidence."

I hope it's as damning as that indicates.

Bullshit...

https://sports.yahoo.com/judges-ruling-rocks-college-hoops-world-i-should-have-cheated-my-whole-career-234403238.html ↗

Yet Self and Townsend get screwed? And the NCAA uses all the Adidas desperate claims against KU coaches?

KU must fight this and Emmert needs to resign. He is a joke for college b-ball. He’s creating a mess and the courts will not allow any of the FBI evidence against the remaining programs?

And Silvio didn’t play. He was also declared ineligible and likely will not be overturned? Bray is concerned about credibility? Sorry, you’re all a bunch cheating idiots. Coach K is the biggest cheat of all. Duke lawyers are protecting the Duke program, and doing a damn good job too. No investigation and ineligibility against Zion? Yet Silvio gets screwed?

This is a farce and a joke.

@truehawk93 Silvio did play ... helping us to a FF. But you're right, something better happen on the Zion/Duke front.

@HighEliteMajor
He didn't play a game and will likely not play another game in a KU uniform because the so-called NCAA can't seem to get their information and clearinghouse figured.

He's eligible...

No..he's not eligible...

Wait...he's not only ineligible this year, he's ineligible next year too.

Wow, what a bunch of morons that have no clue how to treat student athletes. They are not credible at all and I don't trust them at all.

Wait, Zion was named in the Grand Jury pay for play? Oh well, let's just ignore that little information and oh by the way, let's not even investigate. Let's let Zion play and take Duke deep in the tourney. - NCAA

@truehawk93 I’m sorry, but if SDS took $20,000 as Gatto admitted, then he’s getting exactly what he deserves. The term “SDS” includes his agent ... er, guardian.

The NCAA provides student athletes more opportunity than any other forum in the world. What would a rower, or softball player, or swimmer, or wrestler, etc do otherwise? Add in 95+% of golfers, BB, baseball, tennis, and football players, and the NCAA provides them free (or partially free) education and unparalleled opportunities to compete in the sports they love.

Are you really this unaware of what the NCAA does, or just so hyper focused on our little CBB world that you don’t care about the accuracy of what you say?

If SDS took the $20,000, we should be ashamed that KU is appealing this and making a mockery of the rules. In such a case we should just move on — instead we’re investing further resources into a cheater.

Self said in November that he was not aware of any improper benefits ever provided by third parties to his players. Well, his trusted recruiting partner, Mr. Gatto, said he paid SDS $20,000 to come to KU. So Mr. Plausible Deniability knows of that now. Yet we fight to get that player eligible? Embarrassing in my opinion.

Oh, and he got $2,500 cash from a KU recruiting partner and just donated it to charity? You know, because he wanted to make sure SDS didn’t violate any rules. Right.

According to Falmagne, this is all made up? That’s what you’d have to believe. Unreal.

Gatto is going to prison.

@HighEliteMajor I trust Gatto's testimony as far as I could throw him. Gatto was going to say what he needed to say to claim he didn't defraud KU which is why he was on trial.

TJ Gassnola is the one whose testimony I trust because he wasn't trying to prove his innocence. Gassnola testified that he didn't make the $20,000 payment because the investigation was announced before Gassnola could make the payment.

I also don't see Silvio ever getting cleared because the reason for the $20,000 payment that Gassnola said was never made was because of a $60,000 payment from Under Armour.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I understand why you might think that on Gatto.

But do you understand that Gassnnola was a cooperating witness for the prosecution that offered testimony so he was not prosecuted?

From reports on the trial --- "Gassnola was testifying for the prosecution to try to avoid prison, he acknowledged." A touch of motivation there I would think .. they went after the Adidas exec. And Gatto didn't testify, so you don't have to trust his testimony. It was a stipulation made by his attorney to the facts alleged by the prosecution. Maybe you don't trust that, and that's fine.

Our stand up guy Gassnola, testifying against a "great friend" to save his own skin.

On Gassnola, "At one point, one defense attorney informed Gassnola he had said “I don’t remember” or “I don’t recall” more than 20 times and reminded him he was under oath." Also -- "Gassnola had a larceny conviction in his 20s for writing bad checks. There was an assault charge, later dropped, in which a man claimed Gassnola had pointed a gun at him and boasted of friends in the local mob. There were also 'five or six' civil judgments, Gassnola admitted, including one for misleading buyers in a real estate deal. And then there was money he owed the IRS — at least $60,000, Gassnola said." Further, "In 2012, the NCAA banned Gassnola from any involvement with “certified events” — youth tournaments college coaches can attend. He briefly lost his Adidas sponsorship, until Jim Gatto, a friend of Miller’s who worked in the company’s basketball marketing division, intervened."

More from Gassnola testify against the guy that intervened to help him -- " 'Appreciate u man more than you will ever know maybe I don’t say it enough your my man', Jim, Gassnola wrote. 'Jimmy was right there for me,' Gassnola explained. 'He was a great friend.' Is that how you felt about Mr. Gatto? the prosecutor asked as Gassnola’s former boss at Adidas — a 48-year-old father of two with no prior criminal record — sat feet away, stone-faced, staring straight ahead. 'Still do', Gassnola said."

More on Gassnola -- In 2016, Gassnola said, he learned that Kansas recruit Billy Preston’s mother, Nicole Player, was taking money from other “entities” interested in her son’s talents. Concerned that these other people, whom he didn’t identify, would be “sloppy” and get Preston’s mother caught, Gassnola made her an offer: Stop taking money from everyone else, and Adidas would pay her what she needed. Over the next year, Gassnola testified, he paid Preston’s mother $89,000, in installments. In November 2016, Gassnola took out $50,000, gave $30,000 to Player and used some of the remaining $20,000 to buy Super Bowl tickets for himself and some colleagues at Adidas, he said. Two months later, he took out another $27,500 and gave $20,000 to Player. A prosecutor asked Gassnola what he did with the remaining $7,500. 'I kept it in my pocket and went shopping,' Gassnola testified."

Good grief, the guy stole $7,500 from Adidas to go shopping, and deceived his "great friend."

This is the man that Bill Self (Mr. PD - Plausible Deniability) partnered with to get recruits. This should really cause everyone great pause.

Going with your thoughts .. "because of a $60,000 payment from Under Armour." As you noted, SDS got money. The fact that the $60,000 payment was made, whether it was to go to MD or KU, created the same "fraud", as SDS would be just as ineligible to play at KU regardless of whether the payment was made by UA to go to MD, or Adidas to go to KU.

How can a kid that took money like that every play CBB?

HighEliteMajor said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I understand why you might think that on Gatto.

But do you understand that Gassnnola was a cooperating witness for the prosecution that offered testimony so he was not prosecuted?

From reports on the trial --- "Gassnola was testifying for the prosecution to try to avoid prison, he acknowledged." A touch of motivation there I would think .. they went after the Adidas exec. And Gatto didn't testify, so you don't have to trust his testimony. It was a stipulation made by his attorney to the facts alleged by the prosecution. Maybe you don't trust that, and that's fine.

Our stand up guy Gassnola, testifying against a "great friend" to save his own skin.

On Gassnola, "At one point, one defense attorney informed Gassnola he had said “I don’t remember” or “I don’t recall” more than 20 times and reminded him he was under oath." Also -- "Gassnola had a larceny conviction in his 20s for writing bad checks. There was an assault charge, later dropped, in which a man claimed Gassnola had pointed a gun at him and boasted of friends in the local mob. There were also 'five or six' civil judgments, Gassnola admitted, including one for misleading buyers in a real estate deal. And then there was money he owed the IRS — at least $60,000, Gassnola said." Further, "In 2012, the NCAA banned Gassnola from any involvement with “certified events” — youth tournaments college coaches can attend. He briefly lost his Adidas sponsorship, until Jim Gatto, a friend of Miller’s who worked in the company’s basketball marketing division, intervened."

More from Gassnola testify against the guy that intervened to help him -- " 'Appreciate u man more than you will ever know maybe I don’t say it enough your my man', Jim, Gassnola wrote. 'Jimmy was right there for me,' Gassnola explained. 'He was a great friend.' Is that how you felt about Mr. Gatto? the prosecutor asked as Gassnola’s former boss at Adidas — a 48-year-old father of two with no prior criminal record — sat feet away, stone-faced, staring straight ahead. 'Still do', Gassnola said."

More on Gassnola -- In 2016, Gassnola said, he learned that Kansas recruit Billy Preston’s mother, Nicole Player, was taking money from other “entities” interested in her son’s talents. Concerned that these other people, whom he didn’t identify, would be “sloppy” and get Preston’s mother caught, Gassnola made her an offer: Stop taking money from everyone else, and Adidas would pay her what she needed. Over the next year, Gassnola testified, he paid Preston’s mother $89,000, in installments. In November 2016, Gassnola took out $50,000, gave $30,000 to Player and used some of the remaining $20,000 to buy Super Bowl tickets for himself and some colleagues at Adidas, he said. Two months later, he took out another $27,500 and gave $20,000 to Player. A prosecutor asked Gassnola what he did with the remaining $7,500. 'I kept it in my pocket and went shopping,' Gassnola testified."

Good grief, the guy stole $7,500 from Adidas to go shopping, and deceived his "great friend."

This is the man that Bill Self (Mr. PD - Plausible Deniability) partnered with to get recruits. This should really cause everyone great pause.

Going with your thoughts .. "because of a $60,000 payment from Under Armour." As you noted, SDS got money. The fact that the $60,000 payment was made, whether it was to go to MD or KU, created the same "fraud", as SDS would be just as ineligible to play at KU regardless of whether the payment was made by UA to go to MD, or Adidas to go to KU.

How can a kid that took money like that every play CBB?

Had a boss once who had a lot of rules for life, two of which are “f*** the rules” and “people matter.” And if you really want to be a stickler for the rules and precedent, Silvio should sit 40.5 games. The $22,500 is the amount agreed upon by KU and the NCAA. My suggestion is make up your mind whether the NCAA should follow its own rules or not.

@HighEliteMajor Gassnola plead guilty to the charges against him. His cooperation was for a reduced sentence, not to avoid jail time. His memory also only went "spotty" in reference to the coaches he was working with, not when it came to Gatto or Dawkins. The FBI's case was about Shoe Co. reps defrauding universities, not whether coaches had committed NCAA violations.

Also, please tell me where in my post Insaid or even implied that Silvio should or would be cleared by the NCAA because that would go against everything I've said on the matter since Gassnola's testimony was made public.

Find me a program that's clean and I'll guarantee that program finishes at or near the bottom of their conference just about every year. College basketball has been corrupted since WWII ended.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I disagree with your opinion on Gassnola, but I did not suggest that you said SDS should be cleared. I just added to your comments.

I wonder why his memory would be spotty only with regard to coaches? Perhaps that would have compromised Gatto’s conviction.

So, regarding your last comment — it’s been made in some manner or form by a lot of folks. You this believe Self blatantly lied in November?

@FarmerJayhawk There is no set penalty schedule, including for such blatant violations. You could also include the $60K from UA.

@HighEliteMajor I believe Self has no knowledge of the specifics on the dealings between runners and the players/guardians because he wants to keep plausible deniability of potential violations. I believe he has always known it has gone on does what he can to not be directly involved so he can claim innocence.

I do believe Self when he says that he has never cheated at KU l, specifically himself, and has no knowledge of cheating because he doesn't want to be told of what it takes to bring players in. I believe this is how most coaches deal with this issue, essentially burying their heads in the sand to keep themselves from being directly responsible.

I'm also not arguing that Gassnola is a high character person because I don't believe that. What I do believe to be true in most cases is that after a person has already plead guilty to charges and still testifies, he has very little reason to lie under oath. Guys who plead not guilty do have more reason to lie by deflecting blame off of themselves the way Gatto and Dawkins did in their trials.

Most people consider Jose Canseco to be a scummy person, but he was proven to be right about a lot of things regarding steroids in baseball during the 90's.

@HighEliteMajor there are, the NCAA just doesn’t follow them.

@FarmerJayhawk I’m unaware of a penalty schedule — meaning a certain amount of games vs dollars paid a player. Each is a case by case basis I thought. But if you have something contrary, let me know.

http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/enforcement-process-penalties ↗

@Texas-Hawk-10 I think your summary may be close to the truth regarding Self. It is a sad commentary in my opinion. I perhaps had a naive view of our coach before this.

I would suggest that that witness for the prosecution, via a plea deal, has great motivation to stick to the prosecutor’s narrative. Or risks further consequences as part of the deal.

Talk today in the trial about an obscene number of college football players being paid between 2010-2014. I FOR ONE AM TOTALLY SHOCKED.

BShark said:

Talk today in the trial about an obscene number of college football players being paid between 2010-2014. I FOR ONE AM TOTALLY SHOCKED.

No way. You have be joking!!!

@BShark - where did you see this? Link?

Gorilla72 said:

@BShark - where did you see this? Link?

All over Twitter.

I’m stunned I tell you. Stunned. 🐦 View Tweet?s=21

So maybe Miller won't survive after all...

Matt Norlander tweeted that the prosecution would again ask the judge to allow Miller to testify. I’d love to hear the tapes!

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Not a soul clean in CBB.

Kcmatt7 said:

Not a soul clean in CBB.

Lol at ANYONE that thought Izzo was just getting DUDES and they weren't paid.

And yeah recruiting is about relationships.

Kcmatt7 said:

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NO ! ! ! ! 1 - - not MR excuse me - -squeaky clean - -TOM IZZO - -SURELY NOT? lmao - that would mean - -drum roll please - -everybody's all American COACH - - - - umm - - umm - why yes - -also plays games lmao

Kcmatt7 said:

Not a soul clean in CBB.

NOBODY - - -AGAIN NOBODY just close it down lol

BShark said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Not a soul clean in CBB.

Lol at ANYONE that thought Izzo was just getting DUDES and they weren't paid.

And yeah recruiting is about relationships.

just said myself - - WHAAAAAAA? - -OL TOMMY? - - SURELY NOT - -does that mean his hand got caught in the candy jar - -FULL of Money lmao

After reading 3-4 stories on what happened yesterday I don’t see how Miller doesn’t get fired. Nothing in college athletics surprises me but I think Miller will be fired when this is all over.

I had the same thoughts. I'm sure this gets spinned real quick. If he takes the stand I wonder how much he's willing to lie to protect himself

These stories well the one I read from Adam Zagoria this morning sounds like Miller and Richardson are in a would of S- - - .

Talks about how he was bragging about his relationship between Miller and himself. - -Talking about how Miller like taking care of things himself. - That he was taking care of Ayton.

In a secret recorded Video on June 6th 2017 was with Dawkins talking about how he planned to Pay Richardson & have a business arrangement between him and Miller.

Dawkins talking about how Richardson was worth paying 4,000 a month feeling he was worth that - because Arizona had the # 1 draft pick in Ayton and always having top notch players.. - At least 13 phones calls between Miller and Dawkins from May of 2017 to June of 2017 - - - - -major of those calls took place in May. - Dawkins connected with Richardson at least 16 times from May 5th 2017 - - -to June 16th 2017.

Prosecution introduced a series of Text Messages from Dawkins with the header: - - These are my MAIN guys - -Sean Miller & Book Richardson. Richardson followed that up with names of: - -Rick Pitino ( Louisville ) - - - -Tom Izzo ( Michigan State ) - - - - Will Wade ) LSU )- - - -Marvin Menzies ( Former UNLV )

Dawkins list also included , check these out other Schools : - - Michigan - - - -Cleveland State - - Texas - - -Depaul - - -Creighton - - USC - - - Oregon - - NC State - - -Miami - - & Illinois

This thing just getting started - -Arizona in a WORLD of hurt. - -Nobody Innocent - -before it's all said and done - -many many more gonna be brought out - -you watch. - what is the NCAA gonna do penalize EVERY School that's in the NCAA?

Doesn't sound like Miller is going to have to testify.

Woodrow said:

Doesn't sound like Miller is going to have to testify.

Oh I would have to disagree with that a lot. - - - In this article yesterday has said the Judge said he could change his mind of that a few days back when he made that ruling. - -Now with this secret video with Dawkins saying in the video the things he said. - I would be willing to bet almost anything Miller will have to take the stand - -this is going to get real interesting - - ya you watch - -he gonna end up testifying - to much DAMAGE - -he has got to try and dispute and plug the leak in the Dam that's about ready to burst on his Parade

@jayballer73

The judge didn't change his mind today but did mention writing a written petition for it

@jayballer73 the judge said this morning he’s not changing his mind . So I assume he’s not testifying .

BeddieKU23 said:

@jayballer73

The judge didn't change his mind today but did mention writing a written petition for it

ya Emphasis on " NOT TODAY " it's coming

jayballer73 said:

BeddieKU23 said:

@jayballer73

The judge didn't change his mind today but did mention writing a written petition for it

ya Emphasis on " NOT TODAY " it's coming

We'll see if they do file the motion after today's proceedings.

IT'S GETTING JUICY!!!

Matt Norlander has tweeted about Steve Smith assistant coach at Clemson discussing potential payments to Zion Williamson.

Also USC's Tony Bland on tape discussing payments to lure Marvin Bagley Jr.

Hilarious how both ended up at Duke for FREE RIGHT??? RIGHT???

"Christian Dawkins who was in Las Vegas hotel room caught on video wire tap discussing Zion recruitment: "Duke is gonna have their resources. "UNC is UNC. Kenutcky is gonna have their resources"

Under Oath Marty Blazer said he understood Dawkins to be saying "Duke, UNC & Kentucky will have people in place to pay whatever's necessary for Zion Williamson. Whatever Zion's family needed, we would be able to step in and (help with money) if it was close"

Sounds like Norlander will reveal much more later after court breaks for the day. Wow.

BeddieKU23 said:

Sounds like Norlander will reveal much more later after court breaks for the day. Wow.

Surely NOT these Schools - - has to be a mistake lmao

All good news. The more blue bloods in the muck, the more likely the NCAA doesn't target us as an example (when others would suffer the same fate).

@HighEliteMajor Until there are text messages coming from K, Roy, or Cal like Selfs, we are still prime target #1.

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This is absurd.

Not a word about this on the Duke board.

@Kcmatt7 They think K and there program are both invincible, and I don't blame them.

BeddieKU23 said:

IT'S GETTING JUICY!!!

Matt Norlander has tweeted about Steve Smith assistant coach at Clemson discussing potential payments to Zion Williamson.

Also USC's Tony Bland on tape discussing payments to lure Marvin Bagley Jr.

Hilarious how both ended up at Duke for FREE RIGHT??? RIGHT???

I think Nike paid Bagley's dad to coach an AAU team or something. Which is fine for some reason.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

BeddieKU23 said:

IT'S GETTING JUICY!!!

Matt Norlander has tweeted about Steve Smith assistant coach at Clemson discussing potential payments to Zion Williamson.

Also USC's Tony Bland on tape discussing payments to lure Marvin Bagley Jr.

Hilarious how both ended up at Duke for FREE RIGHT??? RIGHT???

I think Nike paid Bagley's dad to coach an AAU team or something. Which is fine for some reason.

Yea JJs mom was his AAU coach if I recall correctly... Very very likely that's how money was funneled to him. At least, one avenue.

I'm sorry to be broken record on this, but if we are the sole target, if we are the ones that are penalized, we should burn it all down. We know where the bodies are. We should sing like canaries and implicate everyone we can. On the other hand, perhaps we lose some scholarships for the SDS matter, some recruiting limits, and we move down the road.

@HighEliteMajor With what evidence? Burn it all down with what? You keep saying it, but I don't see how we could possibly burn it all down considering the NCAA does not have subpoena powers. Our coaches wouldn't want to implicate themselves in anything illegal.

How do you propose we burn it down?

@Kcmatt7 We know who got what, we know what Zion got, we know the details. We have the info on any top player. We know the contacts, we know what was suggested to us, we know what we deal failed to meet to get a player. We trying to get deals done. We know what parent got what job, or what house, or what benefits. We are one of the biggest players in the game. Self knows. KT knows. You think that Adidas didn't let us know what Nike was up to? All assuming that the premise that all of this is wide-spread and rampant is true. Time to break the mafia like code of silence (again, under this narrative).

The NCAA can investigate, and force coaches to cooperate, or get hit for the failing to cooperate. The NCAA does have subpoena like power to member institutions.

This would be in part a publicity item, to apply pressure.

Or we can take it up the a** while others skate in a scheme that, under this theory, covered most of CBB? Not me.

HighEliteMajor said:

@Kcmatt7 We know who got what, we know what Zion got, we know the details. We have the info on any top player. We know the contacts, we know what was suggested to us, we know what we deal failed to meet to get a player. We trying to get deals done. We know what parent got what job, or what house, or what benefits. We are one of the biggest players in the game. Self knows. KT knows. You think that Adidas didn't let us know what Nike was up to? All assuming that the premise that all of this is wide-spread and rampant is true. Time to break the mafia like code of silence (again, under this narrative).

The NCAA can investigate, and force coaches to cooperate, or get hit for the failing to cooperate. The NCAA does have subpoena like power to member institutions.

This would be in part a publicity item, to apply pressure.

Or we can take it up the a** while others skate in a scheme that, under this theory, covered most of CBB? Not me.

This is a pipe dream that’s not based anywhere in reality.

@jayballer73 Doubtful, my man. Even the NCAA - what was it that the Boz called them, National Communists Against Athletes? - couldn't be that stupid. They would have to bring down all of college basketball and football.

@BeddieKU23 No way, Coach K wouldn't do such a thing Lol.

Hated Arizona for Josiah Turner (cough BUST) and Tarczewski (useless, stone hands) but what I hate about them the most are the fans that follow them. And man did they like talking sht about Kansas paying players...Welp

Marco said:

@BeddieKU23 No way, Coach K wouldn't do such a thing Lol.

I know I take it back. I would never want to assume the obvious

@CoreyBill Where is the heck do you run into Arizona fans? I’ve never met a single one in KS, other than my grandparents, whom live in the Tucson area, I’ve never even seen anyone claim to be an Arizona fan. My grandparents pull for the Jayhawks too, but think Stumpy is clean as of last year...

@dylan it’s a joke from the old theshiver vs PGU days. Old school internet trolling nonsense. No different than fans on twitter nowadays. D
Seedy underbelly of the fan base used to infiltrate our boards constantly. 7 or 8 years later, it all seems pretty silly

CoreyBill said:

Hated Arizona for Josiah Turner (cough BUST) and Tarczewski (useless, stone hands) but what I hate about them the most are the fans that follow them. And man did they like talking sht about Kansas paying players...Welp

We lost Turner but that led to us landing Tharpe ... perhaps the classic no win situation.

Tarc? Uh, LL.

CoreyBill said:

@dylan it’s a joke from the old theshiver vs PGU days. Old school internet trolling nonsense. No different than fans on twitter nowadays. D
Seedy underbelly of the fan base used to infiltrate our boards constantly. 7 or 8 years later, it all seems pretty silly

Oh jeez, I remember that. That was right about when they got on a recruiting roll and we were in the doldrums. And then 2013 happened and all was well again before 247 bought The Shiver.

Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today...

Kcmatt7 said:

Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today...

Still has his job right??

BeddieKU23 said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today...

Still has his job right??

for now. - - enevitable his noose is COOKED - - - deep fat friend and Roasted - - -just a matter of time

Kcmatt7 said:

Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today...

Any details you can share?

bcjayhawk said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today...

Any details you can share?

Christain Dawkins when discussing DeAndre Ayton says on tape "I talked to Sean (Miller), Sean's the one that fronted that deal".

Bam

Some wild stuff again on Will Wade.

Book Richardson says LSU coach offered him a job to help with recruitment of Naz Reid. Per Richardson, "look there's a deal in place". "I got $300,000 for him". Richardson, "I said give me half and I'll make sure the kid goes there"

BeddieKU23 said:

bcjayhawk said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today...

Any details you can share?

Christain Dawkins when discussing DeAndre Ayton says on tape "I talked to Sean (Miller), Sean's the one that fronted that deal".

Bam

Dam - -Boo-Ya - -you think how this effects them in the end? - -how many commits jump ship? - if this turns out how it looks

BeddieKU23 said:

Some wild stuff again on Will Wade.

Book Richardson says LSU coach offered him a job to help with recruitment of Naz Reid. Per Richardson, "look there's a deal in place". "I got $300,000 for him". Richardson, "I said give me half and I'll make sure the kid goes there"

Seems like a strong ass offer to me!

BeddieKU23 said:

bcjayhawk said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today...

Any details you can share?

Christain Dawkins when discussing DeAndre Ayton says on tape "I talked to Sean (Miller), Sean's the one that fronted that deal".

Bam

Oh,...okay then...

BeddieKU23 said:

bcjayhawk said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today...

Any details you can share?

Christain Dawkins when discussing DeAndre Ayton says on tape "I talked to Sean (Miller), Sean's the one that fronted that deal".

Bam

Cc: Josh Green, Zeke Nnaji

FarmerJayhawk said:

BeddieKU23 said:

bcjayhawk said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today...

Any details you can share?

Christain Dawkins when discussing DeAndre Ayton says on tape "I talked to Sean (Miller), Sean's the one that fronted that deal".

Bam

Cc: Josh Green, Zeke Nnaji

Poor nnaji for signing on the dot early

FarmerJayhawk said:

BeddieKU23 said:

bcjayhawk said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today...

Any details you can share?

Christain Dawkins when discussing DeAndre Ayton says on tape "I talked to Sean (Miller), Sean's the one that fronted that deal".

Bam

Cc: Josh Green, Zeke Nnaji

And for the record I'd rather have Hampton and walker

jayballer73 said:

BeddieKU23 said:

bcjayhawk said:

Kcmatt7 said:

Miller and AZ getting roasted in court again today...

Any details you can share?

Christain Dawkins when discussing DeAndre Ayton says on tape "I talked to Sean (Miller), Sean's the one that fronted that deal".

Bam

Dam - -Boo-Ya - -you think how this effects them in the end? - -how many commits jump ship? - if this turns out how it looks

No idea. I dont want their guys anymore. Hampton and Walker are better

Book Richardson was paying so many recruits he had to tap into his retirement. The NCAA cant be bothered tho. They bout them edjumacation and amatzerism life

If you think that KU re-uping with Adidas is a bad look you should quit watching college basketball knowing the NCAA cant be bothered to attend or acknowledge what's being revealed in court this past week. #Keeponbelieving

The hammer should be coming soon now. Sean Miller's former assistant Book Richardson told Christian Dawkins on a phone call intercepted by wiretaps that Miller was paying Deandre Ayton 10k a month while enrolled at Arizona.

If Arizona turns a blind eye this time there is no hope for this sport

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26647372/miller-paid-10k-per-month-ayton ↗

This is still all hearsay right?

@BeddieKU23 I am SHOCKED. /s

BShark said:

This is still all hearsay right?

No smoking gun per se but my gods. Not sure how much plausible deniability they have left over there.

No wonder Book just plead guilty lol.

What the hell does a college kid need 10k a month for?

@BigBad Textbooks.

Hence, Book Richardson.

Christian Dawkins is testifying in his defense currently. Should be some more gold to come from this

Dawkins said Izzo told him he was NOT going to pay for Bowen.

BShark said:

This is still all hearsay right?

I guess technically but how many people need to say the same thing before its no longer such.

Book has said he made 250k and was paying players with his retirement.

Dawkins has said he had unlimited reach to the program including practices.

Book on tape with Dawkins discussing paying Rawle Alkins, Quinnerly, Deandre Ayton among others.

BeddieKU23 said:

The hammer should be coming soon now. Sean Miller's former assistant Book Richardson told Christian Dawkins on a phone call intercepted by wiretaps that Miller was paying Deandre Ayton 10k a month while enrolled at Arizona.

If Arizona turns a blind eye this time there is no hope for this sport

WOW

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

This is still all hearsay right?

I guess technically but how many people need to say the same thing before its no longer such.

Book has said he made 250k and was paying players with his retirement.

Dawkins has said he had unlimited reach to the program including practices.

Book on tape with Dawkins discussing paying Rawle Alkins, Quinnerly, Deandre Ayton among others.

I think I recall someone who I think is a lawyer posting that the information obtained via the wiretaps is considered by the court as hearsay. If that is the case, the number of times the information is repeated has no effect on the court's position.

Pete Thamel wrote an article asking how Sean can keep his job. Arizona fans are all over him on Twitter, claiming KU and Self are far worse off. Total denial Sean did anything wrong, claiming it’s all “hearsay”. Very entertaining.

bcjayhawk said:

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

This is still all hearsay right?

I guess technically but how many people need to say the same thing before its no longer such.

Book has said he made 250k and was paying players with his retirement.

Dawkins has said he had unlimited reach to the program including practices.

Book on tape with Dawkins discussing paying Rawle Alkins, Quinnerly, Deandre Ayton among others.

I think I recall someone who I think is a lawyer posting that the information obtained via the wiretaps is considered by the court as hearsay. If that is the case, the number of times the information is repeated has no effect on the court's position.

You could be right, in court its hearsay. What's Arizona going to do? Find a hole and stay there? They can't avoid this.

Dawkins took the stand.

https://sports.yahoo.com/how-christian-dawkins-exposed-college-amateurism-231944769.html ↗

Pete Thamel on Sean Miller

https://sports.yahoo.com/how-much-longer-can-arizona-employ-sean-miller-234649798.html ↗

At least Arizona sent some people. The NCAA is on some Yacht somehwere

"“I’ve hoped this from Day 1, that coaches are held accountable and consequences are according to what they do,” Izzo said. “But I think players should be held accountable, I think parents should be held accountable. Accountable shouldn’t be a one-person deal – we all should be held accountable. And that’s what I’d like to see.”"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2019/05/02/michigan-state-basketball-tom-izzo-christian-dawkins-brian-bowen/3649819002/ ↗

"Flat out refused to pay for a recruit!"

@drgnslayr but who’s accountable for all the rapes reported by the past bb players and ast coach I believe?

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@drgnslayr but who’s accountable for all the rapes reported by the past bb players and ast coach I believe?

Oh man. Brutal! Right on @Crimsonorblue22 !

So how is Izzo accountable for the stupid, criminal acts of thug players? If one of our players rapes a girl, it’s Self’s fault?

I don’t recall any info that Izzo didn’t cooperate, or tried to cover anything up.

The coach deal (grad assistant I think) was a non issue.

Perhaps we should applaud Izzo for not doing what our program has permitted to occur, and apparently took part in.

@HighEliteMajor Izzo may not be responsible for directly for a player's actions, but he is responsible for how he handles the matter when it happens and there's been plenty of stories of MSU admins looking the other way in regards student athletes committing sexual assault. Tom Izzo works for the school that allowed Larry Nassar to happen.

Izzo's hands are not clean and I also think it's very naive to think MSU has never had a player funneled to them by Nike. Just because Izzo refused to get involved with Brian Bowen, doesn't mean he hasn't been involved with other players.

Kids aren't going to play for MSU for free.

@Texas-Hawk-10 The MSU football program is super dirty as well.

@BShark Their entire athletic department is.

@HighEliteMajor Those things are mutually exclusive. You can appreciate if he didn't condone paying players, while still acknowledging that some sh-- went down at MSU with the treatment of women that it seems Izzo didn't want to have anything to do with. His statements after the fact were dismissive. And his grad student was permitted to stay on staff after punching a girl in the face for telling him to f--- off. Later, he sexually assaulted another woman.

This is not a good look.

@Texas-Hawk-10 @BShark Amazing how much inside knowledge the two of you have.

HighEliteMajor said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 @BShark Amazing how much inside knowledge the two of you have.

I've brought this up before but multiple members of my extended family are MSU grads and donors. Two first cousins going there right now. I don't know everything obviously, but hell I have more real info about MSU than I ever get before anyone else about KU.

@HighEliteMajor It's amazing all the information that comes out during a trial about a school when their head athletic trainer goes to prison for sexually assaulting minors.

You guys need your own MSU site. I mean to report all the dirt you know about.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/michigan-state-scandal-adreian-payne-cut-from-nba-after-report-signs-in-greece/ ↗

What I take from Izzo... is Izzo has things tight enough (including his statements) to stay out of trouble.

You get a group of people together and crimes are always going to be there. (see Catholic Church)

And concerning college sports... the system is dirty. It's built to play "gotcha" on every school. I think it is the way it is just to empower the NCAA. What school doesn't fear a NCAA investigation? It's the same system used by dictators. Hitler used this system. He made it impossible for his cabinet to play by the rules and would periodically slaughter his own just to keep in full power. I hate to mention his name but the parallels are there.

The NCAA isn’t Hitler but it’s definitely a cartel. It has a set of rules, power, and if you don’t buy the rules you can’t be in business and the NCAA will bury you. All on unpaid labor.

@FarmerJayhawk That is just not true. The NCAA is not a cartel as the term is used. You can start a minor league BB league right now. In fact the NCAA invites competition. The NCAA is not able to stop you from competing anyway. The NCAA doesn’t work to limit supply. OPEC is a cartel. They utilize international law to avoid antitrust enforcement. And requires memeber participation. Unions are also more close to cartel status as they seek to eliminate the ability of workers to earn a living without being a member of the union, and to set prices in a manner that is anti-competitive.

Here, the NCAA allows participation by players by offering specific benefits. Much different. There is no requirement that the players accept, and the players are free to ply their trade anywhere else without repercussion. And as mentioned, no one is prohibited from starting a league that targets the same players and directly competes.

An X factor in the equation is that CBB is not the only sport governed by the NCAA. They work to fund millions of athletes in other non revenue sports. The benefit to student athletes is immeasurable. It is laughable to listen to NCAA bashers who completely ignore the millions of athletes that have received free education by participating in the various sports they love — its really quite amazing to think that you can be a good rower and get your education paid for.

So while it is fashionable to bash the NCAA, that argument completely lacks merit. It’s one forwarded by anti-CBB commentator Jay Bilas. But like many in the media, they offfer their comments in a forum free from debate, or where someone can point out their errors.

If CBB players skills were so valuable, why isn’t there a league that pays them high dollar to participate? Newsflash - it’s not the players that create the value. It is the schools (KU), their identity (Jayhawks), it is the facilities (AFH) — the players don’t really matter. Miles, Chalmers, Taylor, Mason, Dotson. Just place holders.

And that’s the difference most ignore. In college sports, the interest is not largely created by the individual players, but it is most created by the tie to the University.

How much interest would there be if the KC Hawks (with KU’s roster) played the Durham Devils (with Duke’s roster) played at the Sprint center? With other similar teams in a league? Virtuallly zero.

So don’t forget what the NCAA offers us, the fan. But the irrational bashing won’t stop.

@HighEliteMajor enjoyed your post. I think you are not acknowledging that the NCAA has a monopoly on college sports, all the infrastructure, all the athletes, all the contracts. Maybe it mandates a breakup like AT&T into the Baby Bells in 1974.

I say that without having any idea where the lines of division could be drawn.

@approxinfinity Great point. That's a different and really more relevant discussion point .. and you're right, the correct analysis of this (in my opinion as well) is whether there is a monopoly. You can't have a cartel if you have a monopoly, kind of by definition.

The NCAA does have a competitor, kind of, which is the NAIA. It could also be argued that the subunits (conferences) are really operating entities. And that the subunits of the subunits (the schools) are operating entities. But economically, that's kind of like saying AT&T's shareholders are separate entities -- that doesn't make sense in this situation either. The NCAA is the operating structure. The monopoly discussion is probably the one that is more on point.

The reason why, I think, that the situations aren't parallel to an AT&T situation is that we're not dealing with a necessary item -- phone service is much different than strolling to AFH for recreation.

But antitrust rules can be argued to apply, just like with pro sports leagues. A clear difference is the educational piece, the non-employment aspect of the athletes voluntary participation. Many more complications than in a pure pro sports league (including the bleed over to funding everything from tennis to intramural soccer to marching band to black hole research). The mission of the NCAA is much different than the NBA. That's undeniable. And it is a mission that benefits millions of students, employees (professors), the public (research, medical centers, etc.), and alumni.

Further, the availability of competition also dispels the monopoly notion when one considers the availability of other facilities and infrastructure, the freedom to negotiate other monetary agreements (TV deals), the lack of predatory tactics by the NCAA, etc.

Here's a great example ... say a new pro league came into play, and was to pay possible CBB players $75,000 per year. Then, the NCAA, in response, gave CBB players money in that ball park. That might change the monopoly analysis to me. But if the NCAA retrenched, didn't react, stuck to its formula, that's about as anti-monopoly as it comes. Monopolies also buy and consume competition. The NCAA really can't do that.

Again, excellent point.

The biggest thing for me in this trial was that the undercover agent involved seemed to be very influential in bribing coaches. The government fronted a good chunk of money to do it with too. Coercion as a defense at this point seems legitimate.

@kjayhawks
Nope and Puke’s crooked lawyers will manipulate all they can to prevent Puke from facing bad press or damage their precious brand. Puke does whatever it wants and they have someone or a group of people protecting them. Remember what K said? This whole thing is a “blip” to him. Translation...we will not be harmed and this is no big deal because I have immunity. It was a stupid slip. Then he corrected himself and covered his comment. That little word “blip” meant they are dirty, but they will not get caught.

@HighEliteMajor Hitler? Sorry, can't go that far. Hitler murdered and or gassed to death millions of innocent people. As far as I know the NCAA has not and does not order the death of anyone.

Nonathlete college students are gouged just to get a degree to be able to have a normal life so I will never have concern over athletes who get it free. I'm definitely not concerned about the 1% of the athletes that can wait 1-2 years to be MILLIONAIRES. This is all a waste of energy and time.

Sorry I mentioned Hitler. I apologize to anyone that might have sensitivity on that one.

Marco said:

@HighEliteMajor Hitler? Sorry, can't go that far. Hitler murdered and or gassed to death millions of innocent people. As far as I know the NCAA has not and does not order the death of anyone.

I agree. Of course, though, I didn't mention Hitler.

But I think we know what was meant by that reference. @drgnslayr was not suggesting they were the same. It's just a way to emphasize the point, so you can perhaps dispense with the dramatics. But we all can appreciate the history lessons, and statement of the obvious.

@HighEliteMajor sorry about that, got you confused with @drgnslayr who I took no offense to.

@Marco No worries .. I'm a little protective of my man @drgnslayr.

I don’t remember it happening here before, but I’ve been told every internet argument will ultimately reference Hitler. Lol we’re the real internet now!

Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies)[1][2] is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1";[2][3] that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or his deeds, the point at which effectively the discussion or thread often ends.

Gosh... I've got egg on my face! I'm going to counter my previous post by mentioning Gandhi. Bring some light to the darkness.

@drgnslayr Nice! His great (Great?) granddaughter was one of my wife’s bridesmaids. Still pretty gentle genetics. 😆

Back to Sean...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/pac12/2019/05/01/sean-miller-paid-deandre-ayton-former-arizona-assistant-said-recording/3641576002/ ↗

@drgnslayr I wasn't arguing, trust me. I rarely argue, too damn good at it. You didn't offend me in the least. What was it that The Boz said the NCAA acronym stood for, National Communists Against Athletes?

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26668686/ncaa-launches-investigation-arizona-program ↗

Interesting development...

drgnslayr said:

Gosh... I've got egg on my face! I'm going to counter my previous post by mentioning Gandhi. Bring some light to the darkness.

Lol - - What kind of egg my friend? -- Raw - - Scrambled lol

Gorilla72 said:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26668686/ncaa-launches-investigation-arizona-program ↗

Interesting development...

Isn't it true the government wanted you to testify against a bunch of head basketball coaches in this country and you wouldn't do it?" Haney continued.

"No, I wouldn't," Dawkins answered.

Happy trails, Sean..... Personally, if I were him, I would have already resigned. I mean really, what's the point unless you want to go out like Pitino.

@Marco I think the point is he made $4 million last year in salary that he wouldn’t have made if he resigned. Miller won’t be catching on (and cashing in) somewhere else as a head coach anytime soon.

@dylans Yep. He and his lawyers have done a great job of keeping him on as coach. He is making a ton of money and just milking it. If he gets fired for this nobody will touch him for a while so he better be saving his money!

Sean Miller will pop up as an NBA assistant coach soon enough.

I showed how much anger I have at the NCAA and how they run things. But there is nothing out there that can relate to the evil brought on this earth by the "H-guy." His doings still impact much of the world including suffering going on today. It was pretty darn insensitive for me to go there in the first place.

Sean Miller Watch... He's been spotted in his new job...!

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@drgnslayr You may think Miller is crazy, but he’s paying that kid $50 a month plus unlimited fruit rollups — call it a speculative play.

Results are out and LOL. Nothing will happen, resume paying players.

@BShark

Yessir biz as norm

BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

Yessir biz as norm

Was excited we got Enaruna based on the competition tbh. If we do land RJ, it's back on like Donkey Kong.

Just to put it out there.

Christian Dawkins found guilty on 2 of 6 charges

Merl Code 1 of 4 charges.

Not a very successful verdict for the Govt.

@BShark

We have to feel good that at least the lid is off now for getting players. We know more are coming. The waiting game sucks.

BeddieKU23 said:

Just to put it out there.

Christian Dawkins found guilty on 2 of 6 charges

Merl Code 1 of 4 charges.

Not a very successful verdict for the Govt.

That's it ?

Yep. Nothing is going to change. The NCAA isn't going to take money out of their own pockets to compensate the players in some way so shoe companies are going to continue to do it. Until the NCAA makes a fundamental change then it is going to keep on keeping on.

As they say : it is what it is

Very likely all this did was help bag guys and coaches figure out how to pay players without it being illegal.

Kcmatt7 said:

Very likely all this did was help bag guys and coaches figure out how to pay players without it being illegal.

Thanks Obama.

hue

The NCAA had a distinct interest in having this verdict play out this way. There's no way they want their major programs all being brought down on something like this.

justanotherfan said:

The NCAA had a distinct interest in having this verdict play out this way. There's no way they want their major programs all being brought down on something like this.

:bellhop:

So how does this decision work for Stumpy?

Does anyone know if the conclusion of this trial brings this whole matter to an end, or will there be more trials?

Not a big Parrish fan but...

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Sean Miller and Will Wade keeping their jobs after this is hysterical. What looked like a bomb being dropped just turned into another Myron Piggie story.

Kcmatt7 said:

just turned into another Myron Piggie story.

I believe I said something to this extent when it all started about people falling on the sword. This set-up is currently still too big to fail. Too much $ on the line.

BShark said:

Kcmatt7 said:

just turned into another Myron Piggie story.

I believe I said something to this extent when it all started about people falling on the sword. This set-up is currently still too big to fail. Too much $ on the line.

I tell you what man , if they are letting people like Miller and Wade off , if this is how it is gonna turn out - - keep their jobs , AND THEN lay this kind of punishment on Silvio - -prohibiting him from playing for two years , - and then the NCAA turning around and you watch try and lay some bullshit lame baning of victories - possible stripping us of our final four - -I swear to GOD - there is gonna be some pure dee hell raised

It's gotten to the point where we gonna let these fricken Coach's walk and YET punish these kids? - -I mean ya these two aren't related I know right? - The FBI sting and this NCAA probe right? - - But still they are connected and if this is what it going to come to? - -Where Coache's can pay players or handlers -- -and these 18 , 19 , 20 yr old kids that all they wanted was to play ball and they get to be the fall guy - -just because a Coach or someone wants them to come play - and then sit them up with these agents after they leave? - -what the HELL is wrong with this picture? - If this is what it's going to be like.

Miller and Wade and who ever the hell else - -gets a pass ? - -is that what this is? -- Sure sounds like it , from what I'm hearing you guys say and others are saying? - If that's the case I call BULLSHIT. - - what the hell has this game gotten to? - -I know all about money - -just fricken insane - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG

https://www.facebook.com/33976820808/posts/10157228081885809?sfns=mo ↗

-Warning drops the f bomb. -

KU needs to learn this. Cops, NCAA same difference here. Silvio would be eligible.

dylans said:

https://www.facebook.com/33976820808/posts/10157228081885809?sfns=mo ↗

-Warning drops the f bomb. -

KU needs to learn this. Cops, NCAA same difference here. Silvio would be eligible.

I love this video. I’ve seen it before. And it’s definitely true.

Well except that with the NCAA KU has an affirmative duty to cooperate. So no, this would not help KU. Of course, what you say is important .. I personally prefer the truth.

https://bucknersportslaw.wordpress.com/2011/03/29/why-do-coaches-student-athletes-and-others-have-to-cooperate-with-the-ncaa-enforcement-staff-during-investigations/ ↗

Helped Duke...

@Kcmatt7 Better call Sal in real life...lol.

Will Wade signs a 5 star forward yesterday.

Just more proof about how damaging the first trial was compared to the 2nd. Nobody cared about the 2nd.