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Daddy has spoken,,, time to move on. A 2019-20 starting lineup of Dok, Silvio, Enaruna, Dotson and Agbaji with Dave, Mitch, Braun, Garrett and McBride - I am not factoring Wilson - coming off the bench does not sound half bad for next season. That is, in my opinion, a Big12 champion and Sweet 16 - possibly even Elite 8 - NCAA tournament team.

Where things are going to get dicey is after next season, when Dok, Silvio (probably), Mitch, Dotson and Agbaji (maybe) are all gone. If that were to happen, that leaves us having to fill eight scholarships with only five returnees.

Enaruna, Braun and McBride will be sophomores at that point, all three being important long-term cogs, you feel me? Big Dave will be a junior, add a juco and a redshirt (one we will have to add and sit this coming season) to round out that class. Marcus Garrett will be the lone senior, but if we can add a couple grad transfers - not huge names, just solid contributors - that will give us three seniors.

That leaves four scholarships to give. If we can land four freshman and out of those four get ourselves a highly ranked big man (twenty to thirty range) who is willing to wait his turn, a skilled at both ends PG, a versatile inside/out forward and a combo guard/forward then I am stoked.

I believe that that is going to be the case (eight scholarships to fill) and to be honest I am excited. The possibilities offered by such a scenario - class balance, depth, and the youth of Enaruna, Braun and McBride - point to great things coming our way, in '19-'20 and beyond.

I am quite serious, being not at all delusional, when saying that I am looking forward to the '19-'20 tip-off while keeping an eye on the upcoming seasons.

Enaruna, Braun and McBride make a foundational class, one that we can add pieces to and build around for the next four seasons. If they pan out the way that I expect them to (I think all three are future pros) their impact will be felt for years to come and alot of solid pieces will still be around long after they are gone.

It is time to zero in on the '20 class and cast a wide net for players who fill that mold. Do you agree, and who should we try to land? Imagine adding Xavier Foster, Bryce Thompson and Ty Berry (to name three that I like) to Enaruna, Braun and McBride. We need class balance, I am so looking forward to the OAD rule being gone.

Players like McBride and Braun will be key going forward in the new landscape.

I’m officially worried about Dotson. CJ Moore said he won’t decide until tomorrow and is still on the fence.

@Woodrow Self should drop a big bag. Get it done.

Garrett, Braun, McBride, Enaruna and Big Dave will all be here next season. That is a pretty solid core of players.

Say Dotson doesn't come back. So what?

HighEliteMajor said:

Say Dotson doesn't come back. So what?

My guess is that if he doesn't come back the staff will be on the phone figuring out who wants to come start at PG for us and help them get enrolled in summer classes so they can reclass by August. At least 20 guys in the top 30 would be eligible for the 2020 draft if they could finish the classes they need in time.

Duke did it twice (with Bagley and Thornton) in the past 4 years.

HighEliteMajor said:

Say Dotson doesn't come back. So what?

NIT

Barring Bill finding a late miracle to run the point or a very high impact combo/2 guard.

Kcmatt7 said:

HighEliteMajor said:

Say Dotson doesn't come back. So what?

My guess is that if he doesn't come back the staff will be on the phone figuring out who wants to come start at PG for us and help them get enrolled in summer classes so they can reclass by August. At least 20 guys in the top 30 would be eligible for the 2020 draft if they could finish the classes they need in time.

Duke did it twice (with Bagley and Thornton) in the past 4 years.

There would definitely be a BIG push but I want Dotson back.

If Dotson stays gone, I still want to see Garrett run point because I still think he's the best PG on the team.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

If Dotson stays gone, I still want to see Garrett run point because I still think he's the best PG on the team.

Garrett at PG with Silvio and Dok on the floor? I'd rather have McBride on the floor to shoot 3s. Take his licks and hope he's seasoned enough come tourney time.

We saw this past season what the KU floor is under Self. Third place in the league, first weekend tournament exit. That's about the worst outcome we will likely see under Self in terms of regular season and postseason results.

The question is what is the ceiling? Next year, its S16 or E8. That's probably as far as that roster can be expected to take us in a best case scenario. The floor would be second or third in the league, with a first weekend exit from the tournament.

Honestly, I don't know where we go from here. We have to adapt, but I am not sure what that looks like going forward.

We have to build around Enaruna, Braun and McBride.... Let me say this, I think that all three of those guys are future pros.

BShark said:

HighEliteMajor said:

Say Dotson doesn't come back. So what?

NIT

Lol at this. We could run out Free State High and Self would get them to 5th in the league.

G: Garrett

G: Ochai

G: Wilson

F: Silvio

F: Doke

That's a possible Sweet 16 team.

FarmerJayhawk said:

BShark said:

HighEliteMajor said:

Say Dotson doesn't come back. So what?

NIT

Lol at this. We could run out Free State High and Self would get them to 5th in the league.

G: Garrett

G: Ochai

G: Wilson

F: Silvio

F: Doke

That's a possible Sweet 16 team.

Now do it but w/o Wilson since he is far from a lock. It's definitely worrisome and Doke can't be counted to stay healthy all year. Even if he did I think it's borderline without Dotson. That said, hopefully Dotson announces his return in the next 24 hours. Seeing lots of kids announcing they will be back today.

I heard he's w/family today, announcing tmrw. Sorry if someone already said that.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

I heard he's w/family today, announcing tmrw. Sorry if someone already said that.

Thanks

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

BShark said:

HighEliteMajor said:

Say Dotson doesn't come back. So what?

NIT

Lol at this. We could run out Free State High and Self would get them to 5th in the league.

G: Garrett

G: Ochai

G: Wilson

F: Silvio

F: Doke

That's a possible Sweet 16 team.

Now do it but w/o Wilson since he is far from a lock. It's definitely worrisome and Doke can't be counted to stay healthy all year. Even if he did I think it's borderline without Dotson. That said, hopefully Dotson announces his return in the next 24 hours. Seeing lots of kids announcing they will be back today.

Sure. I don't think there's much difference. Just replace him with Enaruna. If Self goes NIT starting 4 top 55 recruits then we may have a problem.

BShark said:

HighEliteMajor said:

Say Dotson doesn't come back. So what?

NIT

My answer? Bill Self. He wins.

@HighEliteMajor Fair, he does have a little bit of a track record.

@BShark Yea, we’re good. No better coach for a flawed roster.

approxinfinity said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

If Dotson stays gone, I still want to see Garrett run point because I still think he's the best PG on the team.

Garrett at PG with Silvio and Dok on the floor? I'd rather have McBride on the floor to shoot 3s. Take his licks and hope he's seasoned enough come tourney time.

Garrett had the best A/TO ratio last year and is a very good facilitator. Garrett was a PG in HS and had an elite level A/TO ratio as well. Garrett protects the ball extremely well and makes good decisions with it in his hands.

Garrett as a primary PG is someone who could average 7-8 assists per game at KU. At 6-5 Garrett could be dangerous running the high-low.

So Wilson is suppose to be at KU tomorrow right - it was the 29th-1st right?

@jayballer73 30th. So should be here Thursday to Saturday

@Texas-Hawk-10 You make good points about Garrett. Concerns are that Garrett is slow with the ball. Plodding is the word that comes to my mind. He is zero threat scoring wise beyond driving as has been discussed many times. That said, I have no idea if McBride could handle it. Either way, we’d be in an unenviable spot.

HighEliteMajor said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 You make good points about Garrett. Concerns are that Garrett is slow with the ball. Plodding is the word that comes to my mind. He is zero threat scoring wise beyond driving as has been discussed many times. That said, I have no idea if McBride could handle it. Either way, we’d be in an unenviable spot.

Bill Self and a bag of rocks: a love story.

@HighEliteMajor Interesting. He's like the elephant that the 8 blindfolded men describe. Out of all the adjectives I could think of, slow and plodding would not be one I would use. But, it's all in the eye of the beholder, I guess. I see him this way:

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@KUSTEVE The plodding part is how I’d describe him when he is in the PG role. A tail dribbler. Slower bringing it up. Protect the ball. Not in a sprint. Not quick with the ball laterally. Handles not super strong. Contrast to guys we’ve had .. Taylor, Tharpe, Mason, DG, Dotson. More Selden-esque with the ball than similar to our prior PGs. He’s a better dribbler than Selden though. But you never know how a guy responds, and we won’t know until he’s in that role more significantly.

@HighEliteMajor He's not a burner. He does pass one test though- he was ranked 54th when he signed with us. Definitely not a OAD. He is headed into his 3rd year, so he is what you and I keep saying we want...lol.

FarmerJayhawk said:

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

BShark said:

HighEliteMajor said:

Say Dotson doesn't come back. So what?

NIT

Lol at this. We could run out Free State High and Self would get them to 5th in the league.

G: Garrett

G: Ochai

G: Wilson

F: Silvio

F: Doke

That's a possible Sweet 16 team.

Now do it but w/o Wilson since he is far from a lock. It's definitely worrisome and Doke can't be counted to stay healthy all year. Even if he did I think it's borderline without Dotson. That said, hopefully Dotson announces his return in the next 24 hours. Seeing lots of kids announcing they will be back today.

Sure. I don't think there's much difference. Just replace him with Enaruna. If Self goes NIT starting 4 top 55 recruits then we may have a problem.

So you agree, Enaruna is a bigtime keeper? I don't think that we are getting Wilson.

Marco said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

BShark said:

HighEliteMajor said:

Say Dotson doesn't come back. So what?

NIT

Lol at this. We could run out Free State High and Self would get them to 5th in the league.

G: Garrett

G: Ochai

G: Wilson

F: Silvio

F: Doke

That's a possible Sweet 16 team.

Now do it but w/o Wilson since he is far from a lock. It's definitely worrisome and Doke can't be counted to stay healthy all year. Even if he did I think it's borderline without Dotson. That said, hopefully Dotson announces his return in the next 24 hours. Seeing lots of kids announcing they will be back today.

Sure. I don't think there's much difference. Just replace him with Enaruna. If Self goes NIT starting 4 top 55 recruits then we may have a problem.

So you agree, Enaruna is a bigtime keeper? I don't think that we are getting Wilson.

Oh yes. Honestly might have the highest pro ceiling on the roster as of now. I think we get Wilson.

I'm telling you, I am more excited about '19-'20 than I was about '18-'19. Dok on a mission, a hungry Silvio wrecking havoc on the boards, and Enaruna bringing bigtime versatility. Hopefully Dotson (if he comes back, which I am now saying that he will) will be improved in all facets as will Agbaji - that is a great starting lineup. And what is wrong with a bench of McCormack, Mitch, Braun (bigtime shooter), Garrett (bigtime defender and distributor) and McBride (bigtime shooter)? How many teams in America would like to have those ten players? And how many teams have done more with less? I'll say it again, Coach Self was very smart in signing Enaruna, Braun and McBride. The question now is, who should we pursue in '20?

Here's my case for Marcus being better at pg than anywhere else on the floor:

1- Teams sag off of Marcus because of his crappy jump shot. But teams NEVER sag off the ball, because that would leave all the passing lanes wide open. Man to man...zone...they all are based on playing the ball. This means that teams sagging into the paint when Marcus was playing the wing aren't going to do that if he's bringing up the ball. So, I don't think teams are going to be able to sag off him with the ball in his hands.

2- Last year, after Doke went down, and Vick went MIA, they started driving him to the basket, and he scored 20, 18, and 15 in 3 consecutive conference games. So, we know he has the ability to drive the ball. He will probably be one of our last options, but we know he can get to the hoop. And he made many really good assists on those drives.

1. The Achilles heel is the shooting. But, like many other players growing into the game, Marcus's season was a case of shooting much better in conference than he did in pre-conference. In conference play he made 47 out of 88 shots altogether for a nifty 53%. Now, he didn't suddenly turn into Svi from 3, but he did make 8 out of 25 for a 32% clip. 33% from 3 equates to a 50% two point shooter, so I don't think he's as far off as many think.

4- The best ball hawker since Russ Rob would now be essentially playing on the ball every play. His 1.4 steal rate could rise considerably playing on the ball. 2 - 2.5, maybe? Add in a 5.0 asst rate, with 10 ppg, and you have a valuable guy any way you look at it. Yes, he's going to be a pass first guy, nor will he blow away defenses with his speed like a Frank or a DD, but he could end up being very valuable in his own way.

Last years team didn’t excite. This upcoming roster doesn’t look very great either. Definitely not a championship contender without another addition and a ton of luck. And possibly a first round exit without Dotson.

dylans said:

Last years team didn’t excite. This upcoming roster doesn’t look very great either. Definitely not a championship contender without another addition and a ton of luck. And possibly a first round exit without Dotson.

There are some positives though. The unathletic guys (Lawsons, Charlie, Q) are all leaving so the defense should be able to get a lot better.

Lawson scored a lot, but was inefficient. Overall I don't think replacing him with Silvio is the end of the world.

A lot will depend on Dotson, and any potential additions. Agree that it wouldn't be pretty without Dotson. If he does return, and KU adds just one impact guard that can shoot it*, that changes things considerably.

*Wilson or Walker realistically

KUSTEVE said:

Here's my case for Marcus being better at pg than anywhere else on the floor:

1- Teams sag off of Marcus because of his crappy jump shot. But teams NEVER sag off the ball, because that would leave all the passing lanes wide open. Man to man...zone...they all are based on playing the ball. This means that teams sagging into the paint when Marcus was playing the wing aren't going to do that if he's bringing up the ball. So, I don't think teams are going to be able to sag off him with the ball in his hands.

2- Last year, after Doke went down, and Vick went MIA, they started driving him to the basket, and he scored 20, 18, and 15 in 3 consecutive conference games. So, we know he has the ability to drive the ball. He will probably be one of our last options, but we know he can get to the hoop. And he made many really good assists on those drives.

1. The Achilles heel is the shooting. But, like many other players growing into the game, Marcus's season was a case of shooting much better in conference than he did in pre-conference. In conference play he made 47 out of 88 shots altogether for a nifty 53%. Now, he didn't suddenly turn into Svi from 3, but he did make 8 out of 25 for a 32% clip. 33% from 3 equates to a 50% two point shooter, so I don't think he's as far off as many think.

4- The best ball hawker since Russ Rob would now be essentially playing on the ball every play. His 1.4 steal rate could rise considerably playing on the ball. 2 - 2.5, maybe? Add in a 5.0 asst rate, with 10 ppg, and you have a valuable guy any way you look at it. Yes, he's going to be a pass first guy, nor will he blow away defenses with his speed like a Frank or a DD, but he could end up being very valuable in his own way.

And perhaps be an even better shooter when he gets more PT?

@BShark This next team is going to D up.

Three players that I want us to go all in on? Xavier Foster, Ty Berry and Bryce Thompson, all three being top shelf multi-year players.

Corey Evans response to a question regarding SDSs eligibility on rivals

Silvio De Sousa's return does little to impact Kansas' pursuit of Jalen Wilson. The Jayhawks had a major hole to fill at the power forward spot which only could have been filled by De Sousa due to the limited amount of college-ready big men available this spring. They will continue to pursue N’Faly Dante, though, as he could potentially reclassify into the 2019 class, but he is no longer a must-have prospect for Kansas thanks to De Sousa’s return.

Regarding Wilson, the small forward position remains a major need for Kansas. Missing on Precious Achiuwa really hurt the Jayhawks, and Wilson is intrigued by the opportunities available at his position in Lawrence. He visits KU this week and is expected to visit North Carolina in the coming days. While others such as Florida, Michigan and Oklahoma State remain involved, the best bet is that he will not get past mid-June without giving his verbal commitment which will likely be celebrated by the Jayhawks.

@rockchalkwyo

Evans hasn't been right yet to my knowledge regarding anything with KU. He makes a decent case, one I think is general knowledge though. There's a chance Wilson could start or play a lot as a freshman.

KUSTEVE said:

Here's my case for Marcus being better at pg than anywhere else on the floor:

1- Teams sag off of Marcus because of his crappy jump shot. But teams NEVER sag off the ball, because that would leave all the passing lanes wide open. Man to man...zone...they all are based on playing the ball. This means that teams sagging into the paint when Marcus was playing the wing aren't going to do that if he's bringing up the ball. So, I don't think teams are going to be able to sag off him with the ball in his hands.

2- Last year, after Doke went down, and Vick went MIA, they started driving him to the basket, and he scored 20, 18, and 15 in 3 consecutive conference games. So, we know he has the ability to drive the ball. He will probably be one of our last options, but we know he can get to the hoop. And he made many really good assists on those drives.

1. The Achilles heel is the shooting. But, like many other players growing into the game, Marcus's season was a case of shooting much better in conference than he did in pre-conference. In conference play he made 47 out of 88 shots altogether for a nifty 53%. Now, he didn't suddenly turn into Svi from 3, but he did make 8 out of 25 for a 32% clip. 33% from 3 equates to a 50% two point shooter, so I don't think he's as far off as many think.

4- The best ball hawker since Russ Rob would now be essentially playing on the ball every play. His 1.4 steal rate could rise considerably playing on the ball. 2 - 2.5, maybe? Add in a 5.0 asst rate, with 10 ppg, and you have a valuable guy any way you look at it. Yes, he's going to be a pass first guy, nor will he blow away defenses with his speed like a Frank or a DD, but he could end up being very valuable in his own way.

@KUSTEVE Marcus has value, and Marcus has many positive attributes.

I'll add to the discussion with a couple considerations. It would be interesting to see him regularly guarding the opposition's point guard. That is very compelling to me. And we need just some reasonable progress shooting.

I would suggest, though, that defenses could (and would be more likely to) sag off of Marcus if he ran the point. The reason being is that sagging off of him, while he has the ball, lessens the threat. Lessens the threat of him passing, meaning the on ball defender can limit a passing lane, and lessens the threat of him driving (his best offensive skill) because the defender would create more room to cut off the drive. When guarding him away from the ball, you don't have the luxury because of the back cut or cuts that get him in space to then attack the rim. I think we saw teams adjust even to that after he has a few good games driving to the basket. Simply playing him at a different angle to remove that threat.

But nothing is perfect. It is easy to nit-pick. Again, some compelling points and it may be best option.

@HighEliteMajor No doubt there's some putting some lipstick on the pig in my arguments. But you gotta dance with who brung ya, so to speak. I think if DD was coming back, we would've known by now. Common sense says that if it's a decision that is so close they have to wait until the final hours to make, it's going to go for the new opportunity that pays. Oh well. At least DD handled the situation with class and dignity, unlike the RJ posse.

@BeddieKU23 yeah I noticed that his picks for KU have all been wrong lately. Don’t shoot the messenger I just thought I’d share. .

Yeah, it seems (and I didn't want to be) that I was right all along about Dotson not coming back. Starting 5 - Dok, Silvio, Enaruna, McBride and Agbaji. Bench - McCormack, Mitch, Braun and Garrett. Need to start building for the future, that being Enaruna, McBride and Braun. Dok and Silvio should be fine in the interior.

Garrett is a bench player, nothing more, might as well turn McBride loose and get some scoring. Enaruna will surprise at the 3 spot and sometimes 4, ditto Braun who will get time at the four, three and two (and in a pinch could even play some 1). Garrett will back McBride and Enaruna. Agbaji needs to flat out ball at the 2.

Coach Self needs to play - and I mean really play - all nine of these guys, constantly mixing and matching for us to be as good as we can be. Defense, lock down defense needs to be this team's calling card. There are alot of mix and match possibilities. I do not think that we will get Wilson, though with that being said I am still looking forward to next season.

@Marco Good stuff, but you've got to discover the joy of writing in paragraphs!

@rockchalkwyo

I certainly wasn't shooting the messenger (you) over what you posted from Rivals. Evans tells us what we want to hear without being plugged into the situation beyond what most are as well. I hope he's right about Wilson, we could certainly use his skill-set for next year and the future.

FarmerJayhawk said:

BShark said:

HighEliteMajor said:

Say Dotson doesn't come back. So what?

NIT

Lol at this. We could run out Free State High and Self would get them to 5th in the league.

G: Garrett

G: Ochai

G: Wilson

F: Silvio

F: Doke

That's a possible Sweet 16 team.

Everyone talks offense but that lineup is a top 3 nationally defensive team. The 3 guards can cover with no fear because of the 2 guys behind them. If a team is 4 out I think Silvio is quick enough to handle it.

wissox said:

@Marco Good stuff, but you've got to discover the joy of writing in paragraphs!

Lol! I am more than capable of writing paragraphs.

@BeddieKU23 I read that completely wrong, I appologize!
Yeah it seems that Cory, as of lately, seems to just pull words out of his you know what just to feel important and all knowing.

I just get all excited when I read anything KU.

If Garrett could get to Russell Robinson territory in shooting, that would do wonders for him and the offense. Robinson was never a great shooter, low 30% most of his career, but he made plays for other players.

That's the style of PG Garrett would be. Playing at a slower pace like @HighEliteMajor mentioned wouldn't be a bad thing for Doke. Doke's cardio has never been great and a slower tempo would help him out a lot.

A line up of Garrett, Agbaji, Silvio, and Doke along with whoever at the 2/3 spot would be the best defensive line up KU has had in a long time. That would be a long defense with a pair of above average rim protectors in the back. That's a defensive line up in which a lot of teams would struggle to reach 65 points and would cover up Garrett's lack of offense.

@Texas-Hawk-10 @KUSTEVE You both may be on to something here ... the ground and pound offense, win 59-55. Tough, hard nosed defense. Feed the post. And feed it again. And just in case you weren't sure, feed it one more time. Just up Bill Self's alley. The kind of offense that inspired "Fool's Gold" lectures. Only this time, it's a necessity. Where's the post-feeder extraordinaire when you need him (B-Star)?

Just ... gotta ... guard ... the ... three ... point ... line. Gotta find a way.

If Wilson comes (and I know I'm an isolated voice on this), that could set up a nice 3-2 zone. Long out top. It's a great way to guard the three point line. And you'll have Doke, SDS, Dave and the best shot blocker in all of mankind, Mitch, manning the back line. But silly me thinking zone is an answer if you get a gunning team like Auburn that you can't keep up with. It also allows us to play the offense we want to plan, with two bigs.

@HighEliteMajor We're going to make Virginia look like Golden State...lol...

@Texas-Hawk-10 If Dotson leaves, I don't think we have a choice. It might not be pretty, but Bill will win with this approach...

I say that we split PG time equally between McBride and Garrett. McBride offers offensive firepower, and let's face it Garrett will be best served coming off the bench to fill in at three positions.

I like McBride but he would get abused on D.

Quentin Grimes Has Poured his name out of the NBA draft

JAYHAWKFAN214 said:

Quentin Grimes Has Poured his name out of the NBA draft

So what does this mean for Quentin? - - -does he transfer? - -does he come back here? - -what?

jayballer73 said:

JAYHAWKFAN214 said:

Quentin Grimes Has Poured his name out of the NBA draft

So what does this mean for Quentin? - - -does he transfer? - -does he come back here? - -what? Nobody knows yet

https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Article/Decision-Devon-Dotson-withdraws-from-NBA-Draft-returns-to-KU-basketball--132417795/ ↗ ↗

GUENTIN GRIMES IS GONING TO TRANFERRING PER TO BILL SELF

JAYHAWKFAN214 said:

GUENTIN GRIMES IS GONING TO TRANFERRING PER TO BILL SELF

Now there's a surprise, huh?

You can sag off the ball if you are covering a non shooter. After Garrett had those big games driving, teams started doing just that. It changes the available passing angles and really negates the drive to sag off a few feet.

Garrett is a good player with some clear flaws. Putting him at the point won't erase or even hide those flaws.

Garrett's best use is as a cutter that works from the wing in, or along the baseline on the weak side. From there, you couldn't sag off him or use his man as a free safety because he can finish and he would be a very dangerous offensive rebounder if left alone.

Garrett's limitations mean he is beat served by being on the perimeter less, not more.

@justanotherfan I agree, now that Dotson has come back. Play DD and McBride at the point, Garrett as a reserve 3 and 2. I think we'll see Dotson and McBride play together quite a bit. This lineup has depth and versatility, all ten will play.

At the 5, Dok and Dave; 4 - Silvio and Mitch; the 3, Enaruna and Garrett. With Dotson and McBride running point and Agbaji and Braun at the 2 I am more than comfortable with that ten man rotation. McBride, Braun, Garrett and Agbaji are interchangeable, play them at three spots when and where as needed. I'll put those ten guys up against anyone this coming season. Rock Chalk, baby!

I still think we are weak on the wing from a scoring perspective.

Enaruna still has to prove to me he can play on the wing. Until then he is a project and a stretch 4. Braun will not see time as a freshman if I were guessing.

That leaves us with a Dotson, Garrett, Ochai and McBride rotation.

We need another guard/wing.

I think Enaruna is going to surpise, ditto Braun.

I think Braun will be effective in time. But if I were projecting his freshman scoring numbers, I would take the under on 6 ppg.

Now, there is a possibility that he ends up being a key floor spacer in a role similar to what Grimes had last year (perhaps one his game is more suited for).

justanotherfan said:

I think Braun will be effective in time. But if I were projecting his freshman scoring numbers, I would take the under on 6 ppg.

Now, there is a possibility that he ends up being a key floor spacer in a role similar to what Grimes had last year (perhaps one his game is more suited for).

I'd bet on under 3.

I we don't sign Wilson I'll take Braun getting six or seven points a game.

....... And now we wait....

So, predictions guys! Do you think we'll land Wilson?

Marco said:

I we don't sign Wilson I'll take Braun getting six or seven points a game.

Please no. Even just get Walker and Braun doesn't have to play.

I gave up. I can't believe that one kid played us. What a jerk! Everyone thinks it's ok. (Twitter) karmas's a 🧟‍♀️

Crimsonorblue22 said:

I gave up. I can't believe that one kid played us. What a jerk! Everyone thinks it's ok. (Twitter) karmas's a 🧟‍♀️

Its pathetic what happened but that's the times we live in

Crimsonorblue22 said:

I gave up. I can't believe that one kid played us. What a jerk! Everyone thinks it's ok. (Twitter) karmas's a 🧟‍♀️

You’re talking about RJ here right?

@rockchalkwyo yeah that guy!

@Crimsonorblue22 oh ok. Just making sure we didn’t get the middle finger from another guy. Thanks

@BeddieKU23 I didn't teach my kids to lie like that or be disrespectful. I saw their family at the last game, over there pigging out on food, I'm sure on KU. What a bunch of moochers. Nice role models for parents. Just tell everybody, could care less.

The OAD rule will soon be gone, but there will still be plenty of divas. I'm of the opinion that we should, for the most part, steer clear of them. We had no OADS in '08, and that turned pretty good - ditto '12. The Year before last was not too bad either (Final Four), even the year before and year before, though only Elite Eights.

Someone mentioned Zach Harvey the other day. Wonder if we're interested? What did he get in trouble for?

I don’t mind oad players, just ones that lie!

@Crimsonorblue22 Which is all of them?

@Crimsonorblue22 Give him hell...he deserves it!

@Marco Naughty pictures.

@Crimsonorblue22 which game did you see them at?

@approxinfinity last one, baylor

@Marco nobody played us like that kid and his dad!

@Crimsonorblue22 should have figured it out like K and Penny. Then again maybe Self knew and was fine with it ie just part of playing the game.

@Crimsonorblue22 True.... To act like you're going to make a school choice on ESPN, and taking both them and us for a ride was pretty pathetic.

Any takers on Wilson signing with KU?

Marco said:

Any takers on Wilson signing with KU?

Leader in the clubhouse

FarmerJayhawk said:

Marco said:

Any takers on Wilson signing with KU?

Leader in the clubhouse

You know, I'll buy that.... I think - even if we don't sign Wilson - that we've finally turned the corner. The trial definitely hurt us (pun intended), but the worst is over. It'll only get better from here.

We offered a scholarship and are scheduling a Bilau visit. We have also offered Karim Mane. I sense a change in Coach. He might have been turned on and bit by the OAD types three or four times too many, has maybe changed his recruiting accordingly.

@Marco Mentioned it in the crootin thread already but I like Bilau as a long term prospect.

@BShark I like him too, also like Mane.

@FarmerJayhawk brought up how he would like for us to sign Maker, Nx and Thompson in 2020, assuming we sign Walker, Bilau and Wilson thiis year (which means anytime now).

Dave 5, Enaruna 4, Wilson 3, Nix 1, Agbaji 2 - second 5; Maker, Bilau, Walker, McBride and Thompson, Braun in situational spots. The 2020 class is absolutely loaded. A team could sign the bottom five position players and do pretty good for themselves.

@Marco honestly I’m not sure how realistic Maker is. KU made inroads with that crew during Thon’s recruitment, and probably would’ve gotten him had he gone to college. Just don’t ask how.

FarmerJayhawk said:

@Marco honestly I’m not sure how realistic Maker is. KU made inroads with that crew during Thon’s recruitment, and probably would’ve gotten him had he gone to college. Just don’t ask how.

I didn't know that we were in that tight with his circle. Sounds like we stand (if not more) as good a chance as any to get him.

So Maker, Thompson and Nix (2020) added to Walker, Wilson, Bilau, Enaruna, Braun and McBride? And if Garrett and Agbaji were both back that would still leave us with two scholarships to give.....

It seems that the worst is behind us. Thoughts on who we stand a realistic chance of getting in 2020?

Now that we've added Moss and Wilson we can finally fully focus on the 20-21 and 21-22 classes. Coach always pulls a rabbit or two out of a hat. Wonder who they are focusing on now, and I mean really focusing on?

I have no idea who we are focusing on, to be honest. Kyree? Maybe. But what position will he play? We already have McBride (who is bigtime), Wilson who will be around for atleast two maybe three years, Agbaji (who knows, maybe he'll be back too), and Enaruna and Braun who will both be back. I don't see us landing Kyree, who then?

Marco said:

I have no idea who we are focusing on, to be honest. Kyree? Maybe. But what position will he play? We already have McBride (who is bigtime), Wilson who will be around for atleast two maybe three years, Agbaji (who knows, maybe he'll be back too), and Enaruna and Braun who will both be back. I don't see us landing Kyree, who then?

McBride will be recruited over frequently so I would be prepared for that.

@Marco some targets

Guards: Adam Miller, Karim Mane, Daishen Nix, Bryce Thompson, Caleb Love

Posts: Josh Hall, Isaiah Todd

Couldn't tell you the exact order of priority but I am pretty sure KU would take any of them if they wanted to commit today.

I didn't bother with unrealistic targets like say...Dante or Greg Brown. Hopefully they both cut KU soon.

New targets will begin to appear as the season comes around. This time last year no members of the current four man class were even on the radar to my knowledge. Trying to recall...

McBride was a July find and the staff quickly liked him more than Jacobs.

Enaruna popped onto everyone's radar in November, wasn't even recruited before then.

Braun was a bit of an emergency pivot and quick take. Everything there happened within a 3 week span if memory serves.

Wilson of course was committed to Michigan until Bill 4D Chess Self had his bag men pay Belein to take the Cavs job. :joy:

@BShark I wouldn't be so sure of that. Was Mason? Was Graham?

@BShark you are full of it!

Okay,,,, here's the deal.... While my logic may be wrong-headed that is exactly the kind of logic that's needed when trying to guess what an obtuse and obese entity - the NCAA - might want to or will do (and trust me, I know how these animals think, though I am not obtuse or obese).

The NCAA cleared De Sousa to play, saying he was eligible after he had graduated early coming to KU. We then - after all of the cowshit hit the fan - sat him last year and the NCAA then without merit or proof benched him for not only the entire season but for this coming season as well.

The NCAA then reversed that ruling, saying that De Sousa is eligible to play this season. Question. If they had proof of improper benefits would they have ruled him eligible this season? The answer is no. Preston we never even played and didn't know about, right? 😉

Trust me everyone, I know these animals. We will not even get a slap on the wrist (unless you are counting blah, blah, blah, some kind of sanction that doesn't even matter). Arizona, Louisville and LSU on the other hand, I wouldn't want to be them.

Marco said:

@BShark I wouldn't be so sure of that. Was Mason? Was Graham?

Um, in a word yes. Bill tried, he just couldn't sign the guys he wanted to.

In 2015 alone KU offered and seriously recruited Malik Newman, Jalen Brunson, Jalen Adams, Donovan Mitchell, Allonzo Trier, Justin Simon and Tyler Dorsey among others. Those are all PGs, being recruited when Mason and Graham were on the roster. 4 of them were 5* to boot.

@Crimsonorblue22 about what?

@BShark And why weren't they signed? Maybe because Mason and Graham were there?

@BShark self had his bagman pay Belein to go to cavs🤣 you usually get me

@Crimsonorblue22 That was a good payoff. Maybe we can rustle up some boosters to get Roy, Cal and K to shuffle off too?

Final score, KU 84-76 Duke

@Marco Because Bill missed. He definitely tried. In 2016 he really only went after Fox at the PG spot.

@Crimsonorblue22 4D chess!

@BShark I know he tried. I'm saying that he probably missed because Mason and Graham were already there. Just as he'll probably whiff on presumed bigtime PG recruits the next three or for years due to McBride and whoever the other top 75-120 player that he signs to back him/play with him is, which is fine by me. When it comes to Kansas PGs I'll take four years of Mason, Graham or McBride over a OAD any day of the week.

I think we stand a good chance at signing Mane to back up and play with McBride. Thompson is a must-get, and Todd would definitely be a keeper.

Any of the guys I listed would likely start over McBride.

And we will see. Just as often as we have success stories we see guys get recruited over and not amount to much and/or leave.

I like McBride, I really do, but Self is always trying to recruit the best players possible.

BShark said:

Any of the guys I listed would likely start over McBride.

And we will see. Just as often as we have success stories we see guys get recruited over and not amount to much and/or leave.

I like McBride, I really do, but Self is always trying to recruit the best players possible.

That's a good take of the situation.

Dotson seems like a sure thing to leave after this upcoming season so Self will have to recruit and sign a PG/Combo Guard anyway.

I'm pulling for McBride to carve out a role this season that would leave him in a good position to take over. I think he's pretty much everything Self wants in a lead guard from skills to character. I think he outplays the ranking besides his name. Whether that's good enough to be the guy is up to him to prove

@BeddieKU23 Braun at the 2. I know...sounds weird. But I think it would work. Mackey Braun JW Enaruna and Big Dave. That team would shoot over 40% from 3.

KUSTEVE said:

@BeddieKU23 Braun at the 2. I know...sounds weird. But I think it would work. Mackey Braun JW Enaruna and Big Dave. That team would shoot over 40% from 3.

your just that kinda of a weird guy lmao -- -just messin with ya man

@jayballer73 We'd create mismatches all over the court. I was very impressed with Braun in that scrimmage. That kid can flat shoot, and he is not in awe of anyone. He's a tough kid.

BShark said:

Any of the guys I listed would likely start over McBride.

And we will see. Just as often as we have success stories we see guys get recruited over and not amount to much and/or leave.

I like McBride, I really do, but Self is always trying to recruit the best players possible.

As he should, and no problem as Iong as eight to nine spots are reserved for the top 50 - 70s like Enaruna andl Wilson, and top 80 - 120s like Braun and McBride. They are going to be so important these next three or four years. Build around their versatility, adding pieces for up four years.

We will need a center and more than likely 4, also a 1 and a two. I think we nem/ tiiOS

I'm on-board, gonna be interesting to see who we add to them. Braun would work as a 2 - work bigtime.

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 We'd create mismatches all over the court. I was very impressed with Braun in that scrimmage. That kid can flat shoot, and he is not in awe of anyone. He's a tough kid.

He's going to be doing alot of that, impressing people. It looks like Enaruna is starting to do that, too.

I am really looking forward to this season. It is not often where a team has 12 scholarship players and all 12 can play, a good problem to have. It's going to be interesting to see how it all plays out.

And now we have Harris, thirteen scholarship players. Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

I'm starting to wonder when (or even if, Lol!) the NCAA in its infinite wisdom is ever going to wrap up their so-called investigation? I mean, come on, it's going on two years now. It is all about the shoe money, and we, they and everyone else knows that - including Nike and Under Armor.

The NCAA needs to be very careful here - trust me on this one - or they risk losing whatever credibility that they might still have.

As far as this year's team, I am excited - really looking forward to it. Imo Enaruna is going to shine, Braun is going to surprise many, and McBride will hit a couple threes a game. Wilson is going to play the three and maybe even some four, and might turn into a scrappy junkyard dog. Harris is the wildcard, but if McBride gets most of his minutes at the 2 then that leaves Harris as the backup 1 - many possible lineups and different reserve combinations on this team.