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Apparently, a chanticleer is a rooster and is derived from a rooster character in Chaucer's "The Canterbury Tales." The name reminds me a bit of the mighty Ichabods from Washburn.

My first impressions of CC are young players, first year coach, and second year in the FBS. But they played very well against E. Mich, ranked 89 by CBSSports. KU is ranked 104 and CC is 121. This is a pass first offense. RS/FR QB Peyton, 29/43 304 yds. 2 TDs 4 INTs against E Mich. Less than 80 yds. rushing for the team.

The offensive line is young, one SO, one RS/SR, and three RS/SOs. The defensive line has two RS/SOs and a GR transfer from Clemson at NT. In the two deeps, most are FR.

One sports book has us favored by 9.5. So, overall a great matchup for game two for a KU offense that struggled to protect the backfield and didn't open enough holes to allow us to rush for more than 103 yds against ISU. But, ISU is going to win a lot of games this year. ISU has big and experienced lines.

Besides both lines getting out played against ISU, my second biggest concern is Stanley's weak passes on the outside throws. We are going to see some pick 6's, unless our coaching staff has the receiver come back to the ball or makes other necessary adjustments. Our experienced DBs are no doubt looking forward to attacking the CC passing game.

This is going to be a fun game to watch to see if Pooka can find some room to run and if our lines play dominant football like they mentioned during fall practices.

It's also the name of a Supper Club in Wisconsin where my wife and I dined on our honeymoon!

Will be interesting to see how Dorian affects the Chanticleers this week. They're right in a potential path of that nasty storm.

Dorian will be in this neck of the woods Wednesday and Thursday but hopefully it turns out to the ocean. Might delay their travel if it hangs around too long.

They have a second year coach, I watched part of the Eastern Michigan game. I thought early they looked solid but then started in with turnovers and it did them in. @FarmerJayhawk one would figure they would leave a day early, they've been predicting this storm for sometime. I'm hoping for big improvements all across the board and a 20 plus point win. But I'll take a win of any kind lol.

CC is worse than ISU. I'm not worried about the OLine long term. I think they just need a couple of games to settle into their new positions in the case of the right side of the line. The left side was just fine last week.

The DLine is going to struggle because they don't have the personnel to run a 3-4 up front. Kamara is a good pass rush DE, but KU doesn't have a true NT or run stopping DE that's also necessary for a good 3-4. Those are positions where going the JuCo make more sense and would pay quicker dividends at this point.

I have a feeling KU is going to be terrible against the run most of the year since the B12 has a lot of teams that run the ball well and isn't the pass happy league many still associate with B12 football.

KU being a 10 point favorite now does support the belief that ISU is a better team than CC is and KU should have an easier time this week.

The line I'm going to be curious about is next Friday at BC. I'm guessing it'll be 17-21 point range in favor of BC, but it'll be telling if it's much different than that.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Dorian will be in this neck of the woods Wednesday and Thursday but hopefully it turns out to the ocean. Might delay their travel if it hangs around too long.

CC moved over to Conway, SC for the week today. Their prep shouldn't be affected too much this week.

Looking at CC's stats from last Saturday, I'm wondering if the "pass first" hung on them is because the couldn't run at all. Do you think they're primarily a passing team or were forced into it last week?

@Gorilla72 last year they ran more than they passed at about 2:1. They’d like to run it a lot more often.

FarmerJayhawk said:

@Gorilla72 last year they ran more than they passed at about 2:1. They’d like to run it a lot more often.

Coastal also has a different head coach this year than last year. We don't know yet if the new coach wants to keep that ratio or if he wants to pass more than they did last year.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

@Gorilla72 last year they ran more than they passed at about 2:1. They’d like to run it a lot more often.

Coastal also has a different head coach this year than last year. We don't know yet if the new coach wants to keep that ratio or if he wants to pass more than they did last year.

He was their offensive coordinator last year so it would be very odd if he changed philosophy.

If I were playing balderdash Chanticleers would be defined as the sexual organs of a chandelier.

@dylans dirty mind

@Crimsonorblue22 I know! They don’t teach chandelier anatomy in school any longer, too risqué.

@FarmerJayhawk Is he still calling the plays though? If not, then it wouldn't be surprising if they're a more pass focused offense.

@Texas-Hawk-10 yep. Chadwell is still their play caller, and notoriously inflexible.

Jesse Newell has become overly critical of our football program since he started writing for the KC Star. Yes, Jesse it's really easy to write about flaws and mistakes in a struggling program. That's about the same level of journalism as standing on a Florida beach and reporting about the wind and waves. In a recent article Newell dissected and analyzed the two flawed offensive plays in the fourth quarter, all of which were obvious to everyone. Thanks for adding nothing to the discussion, Jesse. Oh yeah, Newell has KU losing to CC. We'll see, hack.

stoptheflop said:

Jesse Newell has become overly critical of our football program since he started writing for the KC Star. Yes, Jesse it's really easy to write about flaws and mistakes in a struggling program. That's about the same level of journalism as standing on a Florida beach and reporting about the wind and waves. In a recent article Newell dissected and analyzed the two flawed offensive plays in the fourth quarter, all of which were obvious to everyone. Thanks for adding nothing to the discussion, Jesse. Oh yeah, Newell has KU losing to CC. We'll see, hack.

you can't fix stupid lol - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

stoptheflop said:

Jesse Newell has become overly critical of our football program since he started writing for the KC Star. Yes, Jesse it's really easy to write about flaws and mistakes in a struggling program. That's about the same level of journalism as standing on a Florida beach and reporting about the wind and waves. In a recent article Newell dissected and analyzed the two flawed offensive plays in the fourth quarter, all of which were obvious to everyone. Thanks for adding nothing to the discussion, Jesse. Oh yeah, Newell has KU losing to CC. We'll see, hack.

I’m honestly surprised he ever comes to games since it’s probably really hard to fit his ego in the press box. Jesse is one of this new breed of jouros who firmly believes you can cover a subject very effectively and never really talk to said subject. Contrast with Gary Bedore who I’m 80% sure has a cot outside Self’s office. One guy gets scoops, the other plays with Excel and tells two Hall of Famers how to do their jobs.

@stoptheflop Jesse used to stop by KU Buckets and chat with us from time to time.

@FarmerJayhawk Death, where is thy sting? Jesse is young, and it wouldn't surprise me a bit if he was given the assignment to be the heavy. He's really a nice guy- he's definitely not a KU hater in any way, shape, or form.

KUSTEVE said:

@FarmerJayhawk Death, where is thy sting? Jesse is young, and it wouldn't surprise me a bit if he was given the assignment to be the heavy. He's really a nice guy- he's definitely not a KU hater in any way, shape, or form.

I don't doubt that at all! It's just a long-running frustration I have with the state of journalism.

@FarmerJayhawk We are living in a Skip Bayless world...

I liked jesse when he was at the Lawrence journal world, but I think he has gotten lazy and worse with each passing year. He used to have a good breakdown of not only plays but games. Now its captain obvious stuff that requires zero homework or brain capacity.

Sorry, but Jesse Newell is twice the writer as Bedore. Bedore is a pud. Newell actually knows the game (basketball). Bedore is a suck up as are most of the KU press crew. Years of stupid, softball questions asked with the sole purpose of maintaining their access. The KC Star uses Newell as an analyst, not a reporter. The KC Star is a rag, and it's not surprising it would drag everyone that associates with it down the in the sewer.

Journalism? True journalism is dead. Completely dead. Zero credibility. Worse, purposefully and intentionally lying and distorting to serve their agenda. In other parts of the world, it was called propaganda.

@KUSTEVE You are so right, "living in a Skip Bayless world." Can you believe he and Stephen A. Smith used to be on the same program? Goodness. Both are just disgusting, loudmouth, fools. It is exactly why the beautiful women we were discussing from decades ago are all that more beautiful .. we got little snippets. We weren't deluged with all of the crap we get today. You had some great names, by the way.

@HighEliteMajor I agree that journalism is in a bad way. If I’m ever back in Kansas during a buckets meetup I’ve got stories upon stories of journalistic malpractice from the Star.

Only point I’m making re: Newell is he still sells himself as a beat writer but doesn’t actually do that job. He’s basically an opinion guy now. Which is totally fine, I’m loathe to tell anyone what to print. Jesse just still says one every outlet he’s a straight reporter. Just be honest about it!

Bedore is an old fashioned reporter who values access, as most reporters do. I will gift credit to guys like John Hanna at the AP who also fits that mold. He was a pain in my rear end at one point but he was always fair and made the effort to get to know his subjects and be informed on the issues.

Finally, it's game day. CC relied almost exclusively on #1 Marable at RB last week, 18 rushes for 49 yds. Marable is 5'10", 190 lbs. and a Junior. He was their leading rusher last year, 719 yds. Marable is also used as a receiver; last week-7 receptions for 84 yds. The QB is also used in the rushing game. With Pooka back, as long as the Oline does a better job, this should be a solid win for us. If we struggle against CC, like we did against ISU, it will be a very long year.

Does anyone know what the spread is on the game?

jayballer73 said:

Does anyone know what the spread is on the game?

KU -7

Just watching some early games today, WV stinks and we should be able to give them a game IMO. KSU looks better than they have been since 2012. They will easily make a bowl and probably trounce us unfortunately. Jax Dineen is playing plenty for them and looking good, which is disappointing for us.

Carter Stanley's decision making keeping it a game, has 15 yards of green in front of on first down. Instead of running he throws a pick into double coverage at the goal line. SMH that's a salvation army level play by a redshirt senior.

Ugh! I'm not seeing any improvement on either side of the ball. Way too conservative on offense.

Welp

@stoptheflop I missed the first drive, but the reason the offense is conservative is because Carter Stanley can't pass. He makes terrible decisions and gets spooked too soon. That second INT was an absolutely horrible decision by Stanley because he missed his window to hit Parchment. This really makes me wonder just how bad MacVittie looked in camp if he couldn't beat Stanley out.

There's no reason for opposing defenses to respect KU's passing game as long as Stanley is the QB.

This is the difference between Stanley and Bender last year. Bender protected the football, made smart decisions, and was at least a good enough passer that defenses had to respect that. If I'm a defensive coordinator scheming against Stanley, I would have all my players within 10 yards to focus on the run and play man defense on the receivers exclusively because Carter Stanley isn't beating anyone with his arm.

Not a good 4th down call. Just sneak it!

Another terrible 4th down call. That also shows how little confidence the staff has in the kicking game right now. No other reason not to kick a FG there with 14 minutes left.

Les Miles does many things well, but clock management has never been one of his strengths as a coach.

Obvious missed hold on the 4th down, still insanely stupid to burn all TOs on it.

That's game folks

@kjayhawks Not yet, but I'm not holding my breath either though.

Now I'll call game after that third failure on 4th down.

Beaty>Miles at this point piss poor play calling. Let's get a QB that high school level.

We ain't winning another game this season folks.

@kjayhawks Les Miles is a far superior coach to David Beaty. The biggest issue is KU doesn't have a QB right now. Carter Stanley is a back up QB and I've been saying that for 4 years.

Hopefully Miles hands the reigns to Torry Locklin at some point this season because he's the future at QB.

Carter Stanley sucks ass and that's being nice.

@kjayhawks Have you watched West Virginia yet? They might actually be worse than KU.

I'm also never going to rule out upsetting TCU because KU plays them close basically every year for whatever reason.

I did and I think we can play with them but I'm not picking another win that's for sure.

I hope with start someone else at QB and fire the OC on monday. I think we attempted 5 passes in the second half. Very little play action, one roll out that I can recall we got out coached tonight. You will never convince me of otherwise.

I feel for the Defense, they only let up 291 yards, 12 points and held them to 1 of 9 on 3rds down but still got beat.

Pooka is gone according to his dad at the game.

You cant lose this game. This loss alone loses 5 recruits. And I’ll eat my words if I’m not right. This program is toxic until they win some mf games. I didn’t get to watch a snap, but Stanley shouldn’t have ever started. Locking should have been the guy from day 1. The “he couldn’t handle it” excise is tired when you see freshman succeed all over the country. Freshman won a NC last season.

Start the better player.

@kjayhawks A competent QB would make a world of difference with this team. That really is the biggest thing they're missing on offense

The defense also doesn't have the personnel to run a 3-4. They don't have a NT to plug the middle or a big DE to stop the run. The LB's are solid and KU's secondary one of the best in the conference.

That 4th down sequence when Miles used the last two timeouts happened because he has zero faith in the kicking game right now.

A QB is the biggest game changing player in team sports and KU doesn't have one right now.

I'm not gonna call for any heads yet, but there should be a change at QB because Stanley is a back up at best.

@Kcmatt7 He was a big factor in the loss, 2 picks, one with at least 10 yards of running in front of him. Not having a kicker was costly as well. @Texas-Hawk-10 I agree man, I'm just ticked because we should've won tonight.

@Kcmatt7 Lawrence didn't begin the season as the starting QB though last season for Clemson, Kelly Bryant started the season at QB. Similar deal with Hurts and Tua and Bama. Tua didn't play much his freshman year until the very end when he won the job.

kjayhawks said:

@Kcmatt7 He was a big factor in the loss, 2 picks, one with at least 10 yards of running in front of him. Not having a kicker was costly as well. @Texas-Hawk-10 I agree man, I'm just ticked because we should've won tonight.

Yea I followed along as much as I could (at a wedding). The guy just doesn’t have the zip. I’ve legitimately seen better QB play at the NAIA level.

You should put up more than 12 points on a D1AA team. Defense could be better, but 7 points is a F-ING joke

@kjayhawks We should have, but when you change philosophies on offense, it takes time to get the personnel in to run that system and KU doesn't have the personnel to run what Miles and Koenning want to run on offense at this time.

It sucks because these are growing pains that look much worse when you're already a bad program.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@Kcmatt7 Lawrence didn't begin the season as the starting QB though last season for Clemson, Kelly Bryant started the season at QB. Similar deal with Hurts and Tua and Bama. Tua didn't play much his freshman year until the very end when he won the job.

Not similar. Hurts played all season until the very last quarter of the NC.

Lawrence played every other series to start last season. Dabo was just nice enough to let Bryant try to win the job.

I gamble a lot, and Clemson is a good bet. So I watch them a lot.

@Kcmatt7 Coastal isn't FCS any more, they've been FBS for 3 years now and are a member of the Sun Belt.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@Kcmatt7 Coastal isn't FCS any more, they've been FBS for 3 years now and are a member of the Sun Belt.

It doesn’t even matter. Semantics. Sun Belt will never compete in an FBS bowl game. Might as well be FCS.

You can’t lose this game. Period. Make up whatever excuses you want.

Well Boys - - - - - - - -

@Kcmatt7 It's not semantics because the Sun Belt is an FBS conference and has won plenty of FBS bowl games. The conference has even had plenty of huge upsets much bigger than tonight's game.

There's nobody trying to claim this isn't a bad loss, but this wasn't a loss to an FCS school.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@Kcmatt7 It's not semantics because the Sun Belt is an FBS conference and has won plenty of FBS bowl games. The conference has even had plenty of huge upsets much bigger than tonight's game.

There's nobody trying to claim this isn't a bad loss, but this wasn't a loss to an FCS school.

It is the equivalent. Tell yourself whatever you want. This is exactly the loss Les needed to avoid this season.

kjayhawks said:

Pooka is gone according to his dad at the game.

Pretty sure he flies off the handle every loss.

@Kcmatt7 Keep lying to yourself because you're pissed off.

If you want to keep claiming I'm making excuses, then go ahead and ignore the multiple times I've already said this is a bad loss due to not having a QB.

@FarmerJayhawk from what my friends(that sit with him) say that he definitely does. I honestly wouldn't blame him at this point tho. Think of what he could do behind an average oline? Hopefully he was just venting I'm plenty frustrated myself as anyone can see lol.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@Kcmatt7 Keep lying to yourself because you're pissed off.

If you want to keep claiming I'm making excuses, then go ahead and ignore the multiple times I've already said this is a bad loss due to not having a QB.

It’s a dogshit, unacceptable, shitty, terrible, joke of a loss to a school we should never lose to even in our darkest of times.

Trying to bring up that they’re a 3rd rate conference instead of a 4th is trying to soften how bad of a loss it is.

Pooka should have left after last season if he was smart. Eligibility-wise.

@kjayhawks The OLine isn't the issue. Stanley is so inept, there's no reason to respect KU's passing game as long as Stanley is QB so teams can load up against the run.

This is why Bender so important last year. He was a good enough QB that teams had to respect his passing which in turn opened up the running game a lot more.

@Kcmatt7 Have a good night, come back to reality tomorrow.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@Kcmatt7 Have a good night, come back to reality tomorrow.

Reality is, this is a 1 win team.

Kcmatt7 said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@Kcmatt7 Have a good night, come back to reality tomorrow.

Reality is, this is a 1 win team.

And we’re lucky we aren’t in the middle of conference realignment

Well the Two football teams I pull for - - KU - - & Green Bay Scored a whopping 17 points between them , One Won - -the Other lost

Funny but for some Reason I feel a lot better about Green Bays Chances for having a pretty good season - - - over KU's winning another game - - - -Could be because Green Bay has Aaron - - KUhas Nobody -- Looks like Green Bay has a decent Defense -KU might be ok on Defense - -YET - -at QB - - KU has NOBODY - -have a great night

Kcmatt7 said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@Kcmatt7 Have a good night, come back to reality tomorrow.

Reality is, this is a 1 win team.

Sure looks like it - -I watched West Virginia today - -they look like warm puke - -But then we have KU - -not sure what the hell we look like - -I thought we could beat West Virginia - - Now I say NOPE

@jayballer73 Not a fair comparison. KU doesn't get to draft players!

I hope everyone calms down a bit. We all knew KU would be bad until Miles' recruiting is seriously established. People have gone from "probably 0-12" to expecting rapid improvement. A comeback victory last week got everyone thinking, "Just maybe..."

No, maybe not. Be patient. If you are really upset, perhaps the expectations are too high.

mayjay said:

I hope everyone calms down a bit. We all knew KU would be bad until Miles' recruiting is seriously established. People have gone from "probably 0-12" to expecting rapid improvement. A comeback victory last week got everyone thinking, "Just maybe..."

No, maybe not. Be patient. If you are really upset, perhaps the expectations are too high.

This is the right take. Mangino got worked by Bowling Green and UNLV his first year. Beaty and co. left the cupboard pretty bare. I’ll repeat what I’ve said in other threads. There’s just not that much talent.

That being said, the execution and playcalling wasn’t good. I do think it will improve as this staff figures out what they have. The defense is solid. I think Eliot is a keeper. We held them to under 300 yards and 5 yards per play. That’s pretty solid. I’m not sure what we have in MacVitte, but it seems like a good time to find out.

@mayjay I didnt expect to win more than 3-4 games. But that ones tough because we had so many opportunities to put more on the board. Hard to find another win on the schedule at this point, we have to find a QB that is at least avg. Carters performance was one of the worst I've seen here and that says alot. Dude can't even hold the ball in his hand for the second week in a row.

@FarmerJayhawk There's going to be a lot of flying off the handle for quite some time

nuleafjhawk said:

@FarmerJayhawk There's going to be a lot of flying off the handle for quite some time

For sure. I think quite a few fans underestimated the extent of the rebuild.

Went to the game tonight with my wife and son. Here's my take.

Parking is an obscene nightmare.

The band looked like they just woke up from a nap. And sounded like it too.

Carter Stanley couldn't start for either of our local High Schools.

If this is the way Les Miles coaches, we need to keep looking.

The Offensive Coordinator is offensive.

The crowd was nice.

The cheerleaders were great!

By the way, if this team played to its potential tonight, we have won all the games we're going to this year.

I maintain, as I have for quite some time, that KU should run the same offense Army runs (Flexbone). Georgia Tech ran it for years. It’s a preparation nightmare. Few teams run it. Few coaches understand it. It requires a less talented QB (meaning passing skills). The QB needs to be an excellent runner (which is easier to find). You can use smaller linemen because much of the blocking is cross, angles, traps, etc. Recruiting is easier on offense.

But it’s irrelevant with Miles as coach. He’s not a flexbone coach.

Enough of my advice.

I do trust Les to find the answer though. Patience. He’s a winner and won’t accept failure. Let’s judge in 2021-22. Our program is horrible. Can’t cure that overnight.

I think this loss set us back another 2 years. We just lost any decent recruit we have and we got out coached by a first year guy. I personally dont believe in Les Miles whatsoever after last nights game. Sad that a good chunk of my buddies as well as me think David Beaty wins last night. Miles's clock management maybe worse than Beaty's. Hopefully he is smart enough to take HS recruits not 15 JUCOs.

@nuleafjhawk where'd you park?

@kjayhawks Any recruit that decommits isn't decommitting because of yesterday. KU currently has 26 commits, and can't sign a full 25 man class anyway. KU is going to lose recruits to better offers and not enough space to sign everyone.

If a player is flaky enough to decommit because of one bad game, then that's probably not a recruit worth signing in the first place.

@DanR lol. I'm embarrassed to say. We tried to park at the Mississippi St parking garage, which I was under the impression was free - it was not. Any way, long story short - parked at Wal-Mart and took Uber.

FarmerJayhawk said:

mayjay said:

I hope everyone calms down a bit. We all knew KU would be bad until Miles' recruiting is seriously established. People have gone from "probably 0-12" to expecting rapid improvement. A comeback victory last week got everyone thinking, "Just maybe..."

No, maybe not. Be patient. If you are really upset, perhaps the expectations are too high.

This is the right take. Mangino got worked by Bowling Green and UNLV his first year. Beaty and co. left the cupboard pretty bare. I’ll repeat what I’ve said in other threads. There’s just not that much talent.

That being said, the execution and playcalling wasn’t good. I do think it will improve as this staff figures out what they have. The defense is solid. I think Eliot is a keeper. We held them to under 300 yards and 5 yards per play. That’s pretty solid. I’m not sure what we have in MacVitte, but it seems like a good time to find out.

may not have much talent - -BUT you have to start with the QB - -we have none

@nuleafjhawk Ouch. Walmart? Sorry, man.

Miss. Street garage and pretty much all campus parking is reserved for donors. Downtown or side streets are the only spots along with campus/shuttles on the other side of the hill by Allen or the athletic fields.

You can drop off at the northeast loop end of the stadium if you have folks with mobility challenges. I hope you made it to the stadium for the one good drive in the first quarter... but otherwise ... I thought the band sounded OK.

@DanR Yes, we were there a couple of hours early. We saw everything. Good and bad.

I know it's been a long time since our football team has been taken seriously, but honestly, I was surprised at how unenthusiastic the whole town seemed. I remember driving through Pittsburg, Ks a couple of times, and it's like WOW - these folks are behind their team. Businesses, residences, everybody's flying flags and banners, and wearing "the colors".

Were you at the game? I think the thing that got me the most was how ....meh.... the crowd was when they introduced the players. The KU Players!! Literally nobody cheered. I started to clap and looked around and thought "whoa, what kind of weird no cheer tradition is this?". You don't see that in AFH.

Anyway, I hope they get it figured out soon. It looks to be another long, horrid Big 12 season from what I've seen so far.

Week 3 prediction, minus the attendance. Boston College is a solid team that will run the ball regularly regardless if there is 8 or 9 guys in the box. They average right about 250 rush yards per game. To have any shot of keeping this from getting ugly we have to force them into pass situations. Defensively they are inexperienced and have given up a lot of yards so far. I'm looking for some improvement on offense friday. I'd like to see one unit on the line, I have noticed we have kept Hakeem and Malik Clark on the field at all times while switching the others. We have 2 game films to dissect whom should be out there. I'd like to see some RPO action, something that was talked about all offseason and hasnt been used once. The offensive mind of Miles, Beaty and Gill run, run, pass doesn't work. It looks like we have about 8 plays at this point and everyone can stop them with relative ease at this level. Miles was known for his terrible offense in Baton Rouge, hopefully we can fire Koenning soon and get someone with a brain. Hire a coordinator and let him run something decent. I was going to predict at 66-6 loss, but after researching BC a little more and seeing how both teams love to run the ball. I'm going with BC 41 to 9. I look for the rest of this season to mirror Beaty's 15 campaign, look for a running clock in the second half a couple of times before its said and done.