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This game is going to be very interesting for those few of us following KU football. First, will the KU offense progress after the BC explosion or regress to the ineffectiveness we suffered through during the first two games?

Second, the WV offense appears to favor the pass, so our D-line and D-backs will be tested. OU transfer QB, Austin Kendall is 69/107 for 669 yds. 6TDs, 3 INTs. His favorite target is WR, #13 Sam Jones, with 20 receptions. WV only has 237 yds. rushing through 3 games, most from #6 McKoy, who is also the second most targeted receiver.

I haven't been very successful with ESPN+; I was able to access it all day for other games, but when the CC started, I couldn't log in. All of us need to get used to ESPN+. I noticed that many of our BB games will only be seen there. Today's game will tell us if our offense has turned the corner and will help KU be more competitive in the Big 12. Our defense must shine today.

@stoptheflop I signed up for ESPN+ last night, but I can't seem to figure out how to record upcoming events. If anyone has any info it would be greatly appreciated.

Would love to see another Jayhawks win. We need it right now.

WVU is a bad team. 119th in total offense, 92nd in scoring offense.

They are also 74th in scoring defense and 61st in total defense.

KU's offense is ranked 78th in total offense and 86th in scoring offense.

KU is ranked 36th in scoring defense, 65th in total defense.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

WVU is a bad team. 119th in total offense, 92nd in scoring offense.

They are also 74th in scoring defense and 61st in total defense.

KU's offense is ranked 78th in total offense and 86th in scoring offense.

KU is ranked 36th in scoring defense, 65th in total defense.

Interesting stats. You would think KU should win but as we have seen, the best KU team doesn't always show up.

Who'd ever have predicted a more optimistic frame of mind in KU faithful about the football season's post-season hopes than basketball?

@nuleafjhawk I'm probably the last person to ask, but I try to be helpful. The games will be on there after they are played. Check to see if you can find any other old games, not ours.

@nuleafjhawk hawk talk is on there from thurs. I take it you won't be home for game? There's also a pre and post game show on espn+ and I still get that on cox

Texas Hawk 10 said:

WVU is a bad team. 119th in total offense, 92nd in scoring offense.

They are also 74th in scoring defense and 61st in total defense.

KU's offense is ranked 78th in total offense and 86th in scoring offense.

KU is ranked 36th in scoring defense, 65th in total defense.

Kind of Crazy to hear Texas is ranked Dead last in the Big 12 in Total Defense - - really surprised me. - -Heard that on game day today

@jayballer73 LSU game hurt them.

This game AGAIN depends a lot on our offensive line. - -WV has 9 QB sacks already and I think it said 22 TFL'S - - -really got to be really aware of the Still Brothers - - If our O-Line can hold up give Cater some time - -I like our chances. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Crimsonorblue22 you are very helpful & appreciated!

@Texas-Hawk-10 What service do you use for your stats? I've been using CBSSports because it ranks 130 teams. That service shows WV's passing offense at 82nd and KU's pass defense as 38th. So WV's offensive strength, passing is going against KU's defensive strength of pass defense. KU's rushing is ranked 40th and WV's rush defense is ranked 99. So, based on these rankings, KU should have the advantage today.

@stoptheflop I just went to the NCAA's website.

@stoptheflop you get the game? I'm in!

KU's run defense looks like it's in for a long day based on that first drive.

Need more depth on that toss dive.

That INT looks like it's going to be overturned.

What's the O problem?

@Crimsonorblue22 Carter Stanley passing into the wind so there's that.

Curious to see what the offense looks like with the wind at Stanley's back.

When did Stanley learn how to scramble?

Offense looks better with the wind.

Nice downfield block by Charlot on that TD as well.

Receivers block great this year!

That's a bullshit non review. Stanley's arm was clearly moving forward when the ball came out, should've been an incompletion.

Stanley also has to have better awareness in that moment and tuck it and take the loss on that play.

KU has to be better on third downs.

Defense has been pretty good after that opening drive.

KU needs points before the half.

Passing game hasn't been enough of a threat to open up the running game.

Crap!

Need to throw more on 1st and 2nd down to open up the running game. Offense has been too predictable this half

Defense is too conservative this drive. WVU shouldn't have been able to get into FG range. Hopefully they miss this one too.

Dang it

Lucky

And WVU gets the ball to start the 2nd half as well.

KU defense is doing all it can. But, the offensive play calling has been horrible. Execution too. But, the offense took off last week in the second half, so I hope for the same positive results today. RC

@stoptheflop I'm really wondering how much the wind is affecting Stanley and therefore affecting the play calling.

Good thing he dropped that one.

That draw play has killed the defense all day.

Looks exactly like WVU's first drive

Now we look like KU

KU needs a response this possession.

Keep Manny in at QB!

Jet sweep to Parchment would be nice now.

Stanley looks a lot better on this drive.

And then Stanley made the wrong read.

Making me nervous!

Manny at QB, Stanley at RB.

@nuleafjhawk Still rather have Pooka at RB. Stanley at FB.

Fb?

@Crimsonorblue22 Fullback

Whoa, quiet?

Bad decision! Lucky that wasn't a pick

Dang it!

Duh? Announcer

And Liam holding his hammy after that kick.

Stanley is a visionary. Good idea to not throw it to the wide open guy in the middle of the end zone.

No

I didn't see a penalty there.

Pick it up

Bullshit call!

What ? Can u review that?

The call was because the kicker didn't pop the ball off the ground first. Unfortunately it was the right call based the replay.

Impressed with how many students are still there.

Never heard it called before

@Texas-Hawk-10 beer

Damn it! Awesome call!

@Crimsonorblue22 It's more common on punts. Because the kicker didn't pop the ball off the ground, the receiving team has to have an opportunity to field the kick just like if it was a punt. Had KU's kicker popped the ball off the ground first, it would've been KU's ball.

The kicking team can catch the kick. Unleash the offense

There it is

That's what po'd does!

What a throw

Against the wind still too huh?

D score for us now!

Replay confirms that was a dandy throw by stanley

@DanR It was the right call. Until the ball touches the ground, the kicking team has to allow the receiving team the opportunity to catch the ball without interference. That ball never touched the ground on that onside attempt, so WVU had to have an opportunity to field it cleanly. It's the same rule as a punt.

That situation is exactly why kickers usually pop the ball off the ground on onside kicks. It takes away the receiving team's ability to call a fair catch and it allows the kicking team a better shot at a recovery as well.

That pass a thing of beauty, probably the best pass Stanley has made as a Jayhawk.

Their qb is getting confident

I’d like to see a pick right about now

@DanR run back!

@Texas-Hawk-are you sure? Never heard of the ball having to hit the ground. BUT, it did hit the WV players hands first. Agree with your initial assessment - BS call

@nuleafjhawk I saw somebody pull up the rule🤬

@DanR it was an overthrow. Supposed to be a screen, overthrew it by about 40 yards...lol

@nuleafjhawk The ball doesn't have to hit the ground, but taking away the kick catch interference call and the ability to fair catch is why kickers usually pop the ball off the ground onside attempts.

Not smart

Announcers they r fans!

We r going to win this by 1 pt

@Crimsonorblue22 9 points.

F-WORD

This is like playing Duke. These zebras ain't gonna let us win.

Call it

@Crimsonorblue22 told ya

Don't miss a dang thing on us!

Dammit!

Stanley stared him down the whole time

Well, time to find a good movie

Time left

The refs are costing us badly obvious helmet to helmet and several missed holds on WV.

@kjayhawks blatant holds all day but d isn’t doing bad despite that

There's been plenty of holds on KU that haven't been called either. Charlot was holding on the first TD today and wasn't called. Refs have been equal on the holds. The targeting is the only really bad missed call today.

They r getting tired

The ku one play touchdown drive didn’t give the D any rest

@DanR Stanley's pick is what killed the momentum for KU.

@Texas-Hawk-10 you are no fun

;-) just kidding

@DanR The defense was just fine after that Parchment TD. The Stanley pick is what broke them because the defense kept giving the offense opportunities today. That pick took the air out of the stadium.

Hey, we have five minutes. Let’s see what happens…. Probably another desperation pick, but maybe a kickoff return for a td?

I'd like to see Pooka split out to the same side as Parchment and put one of the in motion.

Robinson coming up big this drive.

Defensive holding!

Why does that ref have rubber bands on his hands?

Took parchments jersey off

Use a time out

KU has to onside if they score now.

Ok that worked never mind

Can we ask for a review on calls like the head to head?

If KU kicks deep, best case is they get the ball back with around 1:20 left around their own 30-35 yard line.

I don't trust the defense to go 3 and out now so I'd onside it and hope for the best.

@Crimsonorblue22 rubber bands are down counters I believe

@DanR oh, I figured it was important. Thx

Kind of need wvu to goof up

@DanR Pretty much as this point.

Best case now is KU gets the ball back with about 30 seconds left.

Herbert went 80 in 1 play last week, let's get it

@Crimsonorblue22 I think repeating Parchment's TD is more likely.

Pooka in a prevent d would be ok

I'm trying to say we can do it

Carter is a bit amped

Well

@DanR Over compensating for the pick because that was underthrown.

Oh man

Parchment shouldn't have hesitated on that pitch, Pooka had a cut back open.

No moral victories! Who is this guy?

I liked the play call considering Stanley's arm and WVU wasn't expecting the hook and lateral.

Fun game. Just no room for errors

They played hard, Stanley's INT was super costly but it was a great play by the defense. Hard to be too upset. We had our chances. On to TCU.

The defense had too much trouble on third down.

I'm upset!

Play calling was crappy

I don't like the announcers either!

You guys watching the post game?

@Crimsonorblue22 the wasted 35 seconds on the 5 yard line with 2 runs. I said in my prediction we dont cough it up, we would win and little doubt that we would've without the 2 TOs. But yes I'd be perfectly fine with a new OC after this season. We tried to run way to much in the first half. You can be stuffed on 1st so many times before a smart coach changes it up.

WV rushed for more yards than KU did, 192 to 142. That plus our 2 turnovers to 0 for WV sums up this loss.

@stoptheflop KU had more total yards but the really story was the turnovers. Time of possession wasnt helping a tired defense either.

@kjayhawks we did last week, but then again we ran better last week

Turnovers are a big difference this year. KU is -6 on the year now in turnover margin.

@Crimsonorblue22 Ya but that was last week. "Doing the samething over and over while expecting a different result is insanity" Thomas Jefferson. We figured it out just a quarter too late.

Yep

@Texas-Hawk-10 the reason why we are 2-2 and not 4-0 to be honest. The defense broke a bit much today but the decks stacked against you when the other team starts inside your 40 3 times.

kjayhawks said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 the reason why we are 2-2 and not 4-0 to be honest. The defense broke a bit much today but the decks stacked against you when the other team starts inside your 40 3 times.

YES

I guess the refs missed a punt that hit a foot too.

KU would be 4-0 with Peyton Bender at QB this year.

@kjayhawks WVU only started one drive inside KU's 40 and that was the first onside kick. They had a couple of other drives that started on KU's side, but only one inside the 40. The Carter Stanley INT did lead to what was the game winning TD for WVU. KU had scored on the previous two drives before the pick and scored after the pick, so it's a safe bet KU would've scored on that force without the pick as well.

Turnovers lost the game for KU tonight.

Better play calling first half should've scored us a few more td's and kept the D off.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

KU would be 4-0 with Peyton Bender at QB this year.

Or Todd Reesing. Both of whom have the same amount of eligibility. And FWIW, Stanley has a QBR of 89 and 72 the last 2 games. Bender only had one above 60 once. Stanley makes plays Bender never could, but admittedly turns it over too often.

I’m encouraged at where we’re at. This team would’ve quit under Beaty. Today they fought like hell and clawed back every time. I can’t help but think what we could’ve done on the last drive with 40 more seconds or had there been a no call on the first onside kick attempt or the 4th down PI. I think the staff is still figuring out exactly what they have and how they can use Pooka and Parchment. The OL is much worse than last year, but they were better tonight than against CC. Defense was really good for how many snaps they played.

I still think 4 wins is a reasonable goal. Any more is a big bonus.

@FarmerJayhawk Yep that what I predicted. Stanley has been solid, he just has to hold on the ball. 5 turnovers in the last 3 games just doesn't cut it at this level.

kjayhawks said:

@FarmerJayhawk Yep that what I predicted. Stanley has been solid, he just has to hold on the ball. 5 turnovers in the last 3 games just doesn't cut it at this level.

For sure. A couple were flukey. I think they should’ve reviewed his fumble since it looked like his arm was coming forward. I do really like that he’s tucking and running more. Stanley as a statue is a bad QB (see Coastal). But as a dual threat he makes the whole thing work a lot better.

The forward pass this week and against CC I don't get. Must be some rule change because the ball went forward both times. 5 yards today. ?

I hope @Texas-Hawk-10 will let me know what the rule is.

@DanR I thought they both were passes, no question. I dont see how they weren't reviewed or the obvious helmet to helmet hit tonight. I'm working on our spare bedroom and rewatching the game. The pass inference on 4th down against Defense was pretty weak aswell. It just seems like when it rains it pours, think back to the CC 4th down when pooka was held literally 6 feet from an official. I've counted 16 plays so far where WV DBs have pulled ours Jerseys without a flag. I'm frustrated because anytime we get a questionable call in basketball, its front page news for 6 weeks. I'd really like to see officials start to take some credibility for shit calls. They make a pretty damn good living to not have to explain a damn thing.

@FarmerJayhawk Peyton Bender committed 3 turnovers all of last year. Carter Stanley already has more. I've never argued that Bender was an elite QB, but he had two attributes that allowed KU to win 3 games last year. He protected the football and didn't take a lot of bad sacks. Bender was an adequate game manager that was a respected enough passer that defenses couldn't load up against the run.

Carter Stanley doesn't have either of those traits. Stanley had another bad game today that cost KU a victory they should've had. I don't see KU winning 4 games this year with Stanley at QB because he isn't good enough. He's only had two good games in his career at KU. There's a reason he could never take the starting job from Cozart or Bender.

KU maybe wins one more game at this point.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Bender was the better QB IMO. I still think we can get a few more wins tho.

DanR said:

I hope @Texas-Hawk-10 will let me know what the rule is.

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@DanR this is the official rule: When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, is incomplete. I just rewatched Bradys fumble on youtube and it looks more like a fumble than both of Carter's. That's one if my first tell-tale that the NFL is rigged. Change the rule book to justify a BS call.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@FarmerJayhawk Peyton Bender committed 3 turnovers all of last year. Carter Stanley already has more. I've never argued that Bender was an elite QB, but he had two attributes that allowed KU to win 3 games last year. He protected the football and didn't take a lot of bad sacks. Bender was an adequate game manager that was a respected enough passer that defenses couldn't load up against the run.

Carter Stanley doesn't have either of those traits. Stanley had another bad game today that cost KU a victory they should've had. I don't see KU winning 4 games this year with Stanley at QB because he isn't good enough. He's only had two good games in his career at KU. There's a reason he could never take the starting job from Cozart or Bender.

KU maybe wins one more game at this point.

He actually committed 5. Lost 2 fumbles and threw 3 picks. Bender cost KU a possible win last year against KSU when he fumbled for like... no reason. I never said Stanley was elite. I’d give him 3 good games. WV in 16, then the last 2. And look, I get that he never took the job. But Beaty was deciding who the guy was and I’m not sure that’s the best metric re: player evaluation.

@kjayhawks TCU is almost always competitive even when logic says it shouldn't be close. Texas Tech isn't very good this year, but still better than KU. Baylor didn't look good today, but at the end of the season, KU may be looking at players for next year at that point. I don't see a game left that KU won't be a double digit underdog in.

Another issue this year that the defense has only forced two turnovers so far this season and both were in the first game against ISU. The defense isn't helping the offense out as much like last year. Unless they start forcing turnovers, I really don't see KU winning another game this year.

@Texas-Hawk-10 very true, we will be dogs by a lot from here on out.

Well here is my take on our team-- -the Season. - -Right off , ya it's frustrating for sure to lose and lose - - no doubt about that, we want to win - -we all want to win , who doesn't.

My take though- - we all knew this is a process , we all know that it's going to take time. -- We all know that we didn't get this bad in a year - - two years - wall know or should know it's not going to get fixed I a year - - or two years.- -I think what we are looking for , or should be looking for is progress , competiveness - or that's what we should be looking for , and I think we are seeing that.

I know sure you can say well ya , easy for someone to say what I'm saying - -but truth - -it's the bottom line -were still gonna take lickin's - -butt kickin's against some this year , you know that - - I know that , but we want to see some fire , some fight and I think we are seeing that. -- I know one thing -this defense likes to hit - -they are going to give those guys some shots - -hit like a bad ass - -yet one thing I've noticed - - a lot of missed tackles/poor tackles - -not wrapping up , being in position and then not finishing or just whiffing.

I think wll played hard yesterday and for me Basically two HUGE plays - -Well No three I can think of. -- 1st : - - Carter just flat throws a crazy interception not even close - - 2nd: -O-Line doesn't hold , they get big time pressure and gets his arm hit while trying to pass and forces fumble - - and it was a fumble. 3rd : - - Stanley flat ass misses Charlot in the end zone -tries to hit Parchment when Charlot crosses the other way and they leave him WIDE open nobody anywhere close. - -Result we have to settle for field goal instead of TD. - - Someone has mentioned Stanley part of problem he has small hands so would cause some problems griping ball - -just going to take time - -crawl before we walk - -believe it or not - -we are getting better. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@FarmerJayhawk I rarely complain about the officiating - yesterday was an exception. It sucked. The pass/fumble you refer to, the helmet to helmet that wasn't reviewed, 2or 3 more really bad calls or no calls. All that and we still had a chance.

So tell me, I get the nfl rules mixed up with college, do we not have a review team? How on earth could nobody not see that helmet to helmet? Les needs a hankie-I know!

Oh, and what is a penalty for that? That would be his second, right? Would he have to sit out a game?

@FarmerJayhawk Considering there really weren't many returning starters, if any, last year that aren't starting this year, I'd say his and his assistant coaches talent evaluation was fine.

Beaty's biggest weakness as a head coach was his management ability, both in game and with the coaching staff. Beaty was too hands on with his staff and not delegating responsibilities to his assistants. His in game management and play calling definitely left much to be desired.

He inherited a team that couldn't win a game. He left Les Miles a roster that's a QB away from being a bowl team this year.

@Crimsonorblue22 College is different in that all plays are looked at by a review team in a studio somewhere and when they see something, they buzz the referee so he can stop play.

I don't know the wording of the rule for the Carter Stanley fumble play. I don't think that was a fumble, but it might be according to how the rule for that is written since we've seen it twice with Stanley this year.

The helmet to helmet was definitely a missed call that would've been a momentum play and the WVU player would've been suspended for the first half of their next game as well.

I didn't really have an issue with how they were calling the receivers and DB's because they were letting them play and it went both ways. Some people are focusing on what WVU got away with in that regard while not paying attention to what KU got away with as well. On Lassiter's TD, Daylon Charlot got away with a big hold that allowed the TD. On the replay, Charlot clearly had a handful of jersey on the DB's back which easily could've been called a hold and took that TD off the board.

@Texas-Hawk-10 can the ncaa look and still access that kid a penalty? Head to head? Seems like they did that before w/tripper.

@Texas-Hawk-10 they let the DBs play except the 4th down, weak a$$ PI on Defense. Like I said last night, I rewatched it and the total was 19 that WV did the same or worse with no calls. I love a physical game but you have call it consistently. The refs didn't cost KU the game Stanley's turnovers did but every questionable call went WVs way and that doesn't help in a tight one.