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Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 07, 2019 04:49 PM

HighEliteMajor said:

@BeddieKU23 As usual, you make very good points.

I am a big, big believer in playing the guy that will be the best player, letting the talent develop, and work towards having the better talent at the end of the season. My struggle with Grimes is that I'm just not seeing much and I seriously question his effort. That's a lot different than Cliff, or Diallo, or Releford, or Selby, or EJ.

To put this in context, I'd start Jamari Traylor over Grimes right now.

But your points are the pragmatic ones. I understand that may be more rational.

Good point on McCormack's PER in conference play. I think if he was able to play, get his legs under him some, we'd be satisfied with his play. Self seems married to the 4/1 now (which I just don't think matches this team very well).

I'm also a big believer in playing the better player. The effort thing you mentioned is my biggest issue with him as well. He is loafing on defense almost to the point you wonder if he's in "protect the goods" mode. Except he's no longer a first round pick so what's he protecting? I don't see any team drafting him after this season either. The tape will expose Grimes in a bad way. So his issue still seems to be mental. His recent interview talking about his struggles to do everything perfect reminds me of the last guy we had with that mentality- Perry Ellis. That was a big thing that held him back in his younger days and I see the similarities. If he sticks around past this season I think he'll be the player we recruited in time. The problem is we expected that player this year.

The last thing I want to mention in regards to Q is I think he's shown he's not an off-the-ball perimeter player. I know Self recruited the Dotson/Grimes duo to play together but I think what Self ended up with is two guards that are meant for the same position. If we throw in Garrett's lack of perimeter shot I think we have 3 guys for one spot on offense. We have Batman's but no Robins. That's where Malik Newman would have saved this team. The dominance Grimes showed in HS was primarily because his role never changed. He was the PG and primary scoring option at all 3 levels (Texas, AAU, Team USA). He was physically bigger then guys who guarded him and his skill level with the ball in his hands made him the player he was projected to be. At KU he's had to learn how to play without the ball for the first time and its showing. He looks slower, he looks disinterested in playing defense especially if a player gets a step on him. When he gets a rebound or an effort play you feel like that's the first time you've seen him do that ever in a KU uniform. I think a lot of the offensive fouls he's been called for this year have zapped his confidence in driving to the hoop. He's more of a straight line driver instead of having some wiggle. That probably is attributed to him being an average athlete at this level which wasn't his problem in HS. His streaky outside shot has also been a disappointment. I have mentioned several times he rushes. He shot near 40% from 3 as a Senior on over 200 attempts so its interesting to see his struggles because a lot of his misses are often wide open.

I agree about Dave. I think he'd prove with the minutes to be valuable to this team. You don't have to teach effort with him like it seems with others. Self seems to have a big issue with his defensive positioning though. I remember him being out of position on his first defensive trip Tuesday where he was caught in front of his man who got a wide open layup. Those mistakes seem to be the kiss of death for a freshman big under Self. But those are ultimately mistakes I think Self should live with in order to build him up. He's going to need him the next 3 years and after all the injuries his lack of playing time just doesn't make much sense.

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 07, 2019 02:17 PM

@HighEliteMajor

The PER does support that McCormack (14.9) has been the better player then Grimes (8.4) despite the disparity in their minutes. In Conference play Dave's PER is lower 5.2 to Grimes 8.3 which may be why he's played so little. Both numbers are terrible. Actually when you look at everyone's you wish you didn't. Moore-4.5, Mitch-4.7, Dave-5.2, Lawson-6.9, Grimes-8.3. About as bad as it gets from those 5

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 07, 2019 02:10 PM

@approxinfinity

The K-St game was clear evidence that Vick cannot be trusted. He was toxic on the court Tuesday.

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 07, 2019 01:59 PM

HighEliteMajor said:

@BeddieKU23 Just give Grimes a different look off the bench is all. See if something can jump start him.

But I don’t understand why it’s ok then under that theory to banish a McDonald’s AA to the bench in McCormack. Is there some importance about the top 15 thing you think?

MCormack has been better than Grimes.

I figured you would bring up McCormack and yes I do think there is something to the importance of Grimes being the much higher rated prospect coming in. The OAD train started on him well before he got to campus. There is pressure to satisfy him as well as future recruits that are looking at how Grimes is being used by Self. To counter that, Dotson has been a major win for Self considering a freshman PG hadn't started here in a long time. Dotson's success will have an impact on the type of PG's Self will have a chance with in the future.

There's always a few every year we are wondering why they get minutes or don't get minutes. The whole Agbaji situation still baffles me as well.

Bringing Grimes off the bench I think has the chance to permanently damage the relationship. Kids leave nowadays at the change of the wind. If Q is the type that could be motivated by that tactic then Self should consider it when Marcus is healthy. Or as you suggested prior, play McCormack now and don't wait. I think there is a ton of risk in sitting Grimes at this point. Self has believed in letting him play through all this. I don't know he has to see what we see on tape especially on defense. Usually it isn't tolerated. But then we have Vick...with his head in and out daily so you wonder what is going on with a lot of things in this program. Too many distractions and issues at this point in the season.

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 07, 2019 11:12 AM

@HighEliteMajor

Sitting a highly decorated Top 15 player would look awful bad to recruits. Self was hammered for years by other coaches when he did this in the past.

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 05:32 PM

@KUSTEVE

We gained the lead when Kansas St went over 7 minutes without a field goal. We looked better then the reality of the situation. Once st woke up in the 2nd half there was no hope. That Grimes play where he attempted to bat the ball out instead of grabbing the rebound right in front of his face then fouling was imo the difference in the game. It was a one possession game and everything spiraled from there like brain dead Vick playing 1 on 5.

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:03 PM

@joeloveshawks

Look at the other options. Optics play a part here. Self cant afford to sit a highly decorated freshman for recruiting purposes. This isnt the oubre years anymore, these kids notice. I'm not saying that's the main reason as his defensive effort is appalling to watch which should piss him off enough to consider other options. I think Grimes is the least of his issues though, Vick again showed why he is not mentally capable of being a teammate and mentor

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:51 AM

On the road coming into this game KU has been called for 20 more fouls then the other team so it's no longer a coincidence we just mug for a living

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:50 AM

Maybe the NCAA should suspend another player on our team. About the only way they play with passion at this point

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:49 AM

Over

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:49 AM

I hate diarra

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:45 AM

DanR said:

Grab the ball, Mitch

Career problems

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:44 AM

Knee to knee

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:43 AM

That play will be the difference. Down 3 after getting it down to 1 and then give them free shots on a dumb play. Could have had possession

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:40 AM

Grimes do you have any basketball IQ. Could have had a rebound, tried to punch it and then fouls. Typical

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:32 AM

@mayjay

Yeah he started but his effort was about as good as vick

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:32 AM

@Bwag

In all the wrong spots. Got to be about his 5th turnover

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:30 AM

Vick sucks period

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:26 AM

Pollard wasnt even looking when that ball went out of bounds

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:25 AM

Hey Vick GO UP STRONG

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:24 AM

At least 50% of a refs job is anticipating contact that doesnt happen

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:23 AM

I like those fake fouls

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:22 AM

@approxinfinity

Looks like it. Should know at about the under 8 if this is how its going

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:20 AM

@approxinfinity

I 2nd that, game getting away

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:19 AM

Nothing better then watching Vick play 1 on 1 and miss

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:18 AM

16 turnovers, that's just pathetic

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 03:15 AM

approxinfinity said:

yes, I mean he looks beefy, but he's soft.

And slow. The lack of defensive effort continues to get a slide

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:46 AM

@Woodrow

Thought the same. At least pile your shoulder into him and force a foul

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:43 AM

Crimsonorblue22 said:

I'm surprised he's in w/2 fouls

Cant play Vick tonight. Kid left his brain in Lawrence again

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:43 AM

approxinfinity said:

BeddieKU23 said:

I'm impressed with our poise since that first time out @approxinfinity you called it

Agbaji the only guy looking a little struck by the atmosophere still after that TO, true.

Hes in foul trouble as well.

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:42 AM

We look decent when k st goes 7 minutes without scoring. They are building some nice brick houses

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:41 AM

I'm impressed with our poise since that first time out @approxinfinity you called it

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:38 AM

Wow are u serious

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:37 AM

kjayhawks said:

Vick on the bench for a long while

He can stay there

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:36 AM

Lol that ref on that side literally cant see

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:34 AM

Refs are blind

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:32 AM

What a pathetic call on grimes

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:31 AM

DanR said:

You guys get the Taco Johns commercial? I love it.

Nope, laser x

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:29 AM

No Vick for the last 7 minutes. Glad self saw him check out

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:29 AM

approxinfinity said:

If Charlie Moore is the Kittie Killer I'm ok with that :joy:

Bottle him up for 2 games a yr

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:28 AM

What a great play by Moore to agbaji

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:27 AM

Whatever we think this offense is it dont work. Spend the entire possession going side to side 30 feet from the hoop

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:24 AM

Texas Hawk 10 said:

BeddieKU23 said:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Still better then grimes

No he wasn't.

At least he could shoot

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:23 AM

@Texas-Hawk-10

Still better then grimes

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:23 AM

Grimes is the worst defender I've seen

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:22 AM

Anything is better then Fran talking about liberace's plan to beat KU for 40 minutes

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:19 AM

I like this

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:16 AM

Literally zero effort to rebound

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:15 AM

Nice rebound Lawson, NOT

Rocktagon the Chalktagon • Feb 06, 2019 02:14 AM

Pathetic call