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"Fool's Gold" makes its debut • Jan 13, 2016 05:31 PM

@drgnslayr

Correct we never established a pace for our own team to play at. West Virginia imposed their own because their effort was better than ours. Their aggressiveness bothered us on both sides of the floor, especially when KU was on offense. Simple passes were made into rocket science.

Mason mentally fell apart. You've seen it before, when Frank thinks its the world against him, he puts his head down gets out of control and makes bad plays. He was in that zone, he deserved to sit but there was no other option. Graham was in foul trouble. Vick isn't trusted making a paper bag at this point to Self. Wayne was benched for turnovers. Svi was exposed, Greene wasn't any better. It's hard to quantify just how poorly they came prepared to battle.

It started with Frank, it spread to Wayne, it spread to Greene, it spread to Graham and so on. I mean on more than one occasion, I counted 3- we threw the ball into the stands with not a single KU player even there to receive the pass. Talk about complete mental breakdowns from our upperclassmen.
This game was lost at guard play and completely thrown away from coaching and scheming.

They were so much faster to the ball- that relates to effort that I mentioned already. They wanted it more, they were at home feeling disrespected that KU was #1 and they used it like Wichita St used it last year in the tournament. It was all effort and the will to. WVU didn't shoot the ball well, heck they built just as many brick houses as KU did, but they found other ways to torture us by getting to the FT line and forcing turnovers that led to points.

We saw the peaks, we've now seen the lows these past 2 games. It was time for this team to be humbled and if this isn't the point where the coaching and the players get a positive reaction from the loss it can go down as the day the season died.

"Fool's Gold" makes its debut • Jan 13, 2016 03:27 PM

@drgnslayr

We didn't run a single lick of offense in the first half. The press successfully put our offense in scramble mode. We'd have on average 17-18 seconds left after painfully getting the ball up the court. At that point it was just every man for himself, and everyone but Perry was digging a deeper hole.

Even when we had the lead for that short time, we we already playing at a level that we were going to lose from. Graham had the ball stollen from him on a rebound- carter got a layup. Selden got a steal then immediately handed the ball back within 3 dribbles. We missed another 50/50 ball that gave WVU a scoring play. So while we made some 3's early, 1 was a lucky pull up by Graham, guarded.

When we took 3's they were rushed, and they were negative plays. Svi wasn't even coming close from 3 and he was wide open while rushing all of his shots. He was so ineffective last night. Everyone was playing for themselves, zero continuity. Nobody wanted to take the ball at someone and make them foul, which was exactly what Paige and Williams did all night- they had 29 FT attempts between them.

Three straights years • Jan 13, 2016 11:08 AM

@drgnslayr

Your glad you missed the 1st half. 20 1st half FT's for WVU. The game actually was pretty much over from the under 15 timeout. KU was up 13-9 after 3 early 3's or as Self called them Fool's Gold. But KU also gave up 50/50 balls to them like it was candy. Wayne was benched for 4 first half TO's. Between him and Frank they had 13 total.

Free throws killed any chance in the 2nd half. The guys that cut the lead to 4, then Greene & Graham take contested 1 on 1 shots in the next 2 possessions and the lead was back to double digits.

2 missed 1 and 1's by Graham, 1 by Mason when the game was manageable really just nailed the coffin. A 4 possession game could have been 1 but they just didn't want to win.

I posted in the other thread that a lot of accountability has to fall on Mason's shoulders. He was unprepared to lead his team last night. If your 2 main ball handlers are going to just play with reckless abandon then the rest of the team is going to play just as undisciplined.

We may not have 32 fouls for the next 2 games combined. I'm just baffled at how poorly the breaks go wherever you go.

Ellis, yes was the only guy that got off the plane ready. He's starting to play at that high level again but he had zero help from anyone else. And if that happens on the road we can expect similar outcomes.

West Virginia wanted to win, KU didn't bring it. We've rinsed and repeated this 3 years running now.

Press Break: Not Brain Surgery • Jan 13, 2016 10:43 AM

If there is one individual that we can call out for their play last night it would be Frank Mason. Your a Junior bro, but when you get rattled you lose your poise and go on a personal suicide mission.

It's crippling when your primary ball handler is playing 5 on 1 basketball, zero accountability for his play from his coach. If Perry Ellis was a PG, maybe his team rallies around him but because Ellis only touched the ball sparingly in the 1st half this game became what it was because neither of our 2 great PG options decided they wanted to put this team on their backs. Ellis did what he could, but he can't take a game over every possession.

It's a great humbling loss but it was humiliating, embarrassing and the type of game that reminds you our old skeleton's are still very much there, just covered and sprinkled when we play at home. I'm trying to be as open about this game as I could be. At the under 15 timeout in the 1st half I thought, well we made 3's and when those stop falling its going to get ugly. And my thoughts became reality, and reality became hard to watch.

We did literally in fact make the press look like brain surgery, rocket science whatever you may call it.

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 01:21 AM

okay everyone have a good night. its just not our game

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 01:20 AM

avg a foul per min so far

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 01:19 AM

fans about to get loud with the boo's when we get into 1 and 1 soon

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 01:18 AM

we are on about our 3rd brick house foundation. its fine its one of those nights

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 01:17 AM

@truehawk93

i totally wanted him to take that open 3

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 01:16 AM

1:01 and a foul

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 01:15 AM

when are they gonna call williams for trying to knock lucas down

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 01:15 AM

first 8 minutes decide the game. and they decide whether i care enough to watch the rest

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 01:14 AM

had to look this up so i wasn't going crazy.

i posted that a dead ball for a kick was a delayed call early. then it happened again and the refs were like nah that's not a violation.

Both the NBA and NCAA rules prohibit intentional kicking of the basketball. The rules classify intentional kicking of the ball as a violation resulting in a dead ball and a stoppage in play.

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 01:08 AM

serious question.

did anyone notice 1 set KU ran worth of offense? so much 1 on 1 i lost track.

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 01:05 AM

@DinarHawk

but he's not flexible. we know this. without a shot blocker in there they will do the same in the 2nd half.

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 01:02 AM

WVU drives to the hoop. only way to stop it is zone

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 01:01 AM

@tundrahok

might have had a dunk had mason realized hes got teammates

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 01:00 AM

@DCHawker

bellichek of college b

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:58 AM

@KUSTEVE

not in west virginia. thats not kicking.

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:57 AM

if i could personally sit mason i would. but we have a coach for that dont we

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:56 AM

so kicking the ball is okay now. i thought so???

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:55 AM

its hard to show heart when your PG and SG are on a personal suicide mission

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:54 AM

@jaybate-1.0
he's only put up 3 of those possession killer bricks so far.

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:53 AM

keeep bricking svi. your good at it

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:52 AM

mason absolutely is the problem tonight. he's in that mode where its all me me me

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:51 AM

nice free throw there devonte.

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:49 AM

every defensive poss is a foul. its sad

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:48 AM

9 TO's

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:47 AM

some1 tell mari its not football

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:45 AM

@DinarHawk

exactly but we can expect diallo to play first.. and thats not happenin

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:43 AM

we have to get out of m2m defense..this is brutal

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:42 AM

perry ellis again get him the BALL

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:41 AM

@DCHawker

i wish but it won't happen.

greene found his friends in the stands too. someone tell the hawks they arent playing

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:39 AM

svi isn't the option in this game either. if graham hadn't hacked himself out we'd be ok

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:38 AM

this is like a bad nightmare. and unless self stops the bleeding at half is going to keep getting worse.

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:36 AM

and now mason thinks well lets do 5 on 1..

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:35 AM

mason throwing to his friends in the stands..

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:34 AM

the ball should touch perry every possession for the rest of the game.

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:34 AM

i feel like they almost didn't want to call that kick ball. that was so delayed

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:32 AM

and if the ball doesn't get to perry more than once every 10 possessions how do we keep this game honest?

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:32 AM

if we don't buckle down and get to the FT line..its a big advantage to them. they are going to live and die with the refs tonight

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:31 AM

@DCHawker

we did the same thing last year and nothing has changed.

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:30 AM

@DanR

just a terrible shot and a reason why he doesn't play the minutes he maybe should

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:29 AM

are they calling brick??

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:28 AM

10 on 5 if you include the announcers

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:28 AM

this is a great 8 on 5 game

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:24 AM

@HawkInMizery

disguised by making 3's

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:23 AM

lol at that made 3. what a freaking joke

Kansas vs West Virginia • Jan 13, 2016 12:22 AM

@DinarHawk

has nothing to do with traylor. has everything to do with mason and our leaders giving away the basketball likes its candy