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Hey, we got the early game! That means the world waits on us for a change. And wouldn't it be nice if we are blowing out WVU by 20-30, running late and the ISU/UT fans were left to grumble about why ESPN2 is not switching to their game? Speaking of ESPN2. Really ESPN? You have Miss St vs Kenstinky (15) on ESPN, while the #1 and #10 teams are on ESPN2. Really? Oh well. Anyway, hope everybody is ready to rock the chalk and get this done. I'll be right back. Have to feed the kids.

Let's GET IT ON!!!!!!!!!!

@brooksmd I guess ESPN got the UK game due to a contractual obligation with the SEC. That's okay...everybody knows who the #1 team is.

@nwhawkfan We know that West Virginia knows who the #1 team is!

Mush and Franch, great.

Build up an early lead before the crowd gets there !

@DanR At least no Higgins in stripes tonite.

@brooksmd Rumor his, Higs is afraid of banjos

@DanR my fav😡

sound like playground rims

Crap💩

Guy was sliding

Geez - Mick lasted 5 minutes last game, fewer than 3 this time...

Yeah D

Might... just might see perry get pissed off in this game

Hitting those 3's

And repeat

Handling the press very well so far, that's the biggest key for KU and should lead to a lot of easy looks for KU.

Will be interesting to see how Greene handles the pressure.

@Crimsonorblue22 Do these refs know what they're doing? Usually our opponent is in the bonus by now.

@DanR ferry interesting🙈

Have to stay smart and not have sloppy passes

@brooksmd no Higgins!

other than our 3's our offense has been terrible so far. wayne totally killed that fastbreak opp.

i'll take the lead but we all know whats coming

@Crimsonorblue22 We're in Luck!

Holly!!

1-3 inches of snow???? Lucky to be alive.

@DanR looked a lil more than that

Did he say ship or shit on his shoulder?

Frank gets up slow quite often. Always makes me nervous.

LOL nice boxout Lucas

Foul on williams?

@DanR

1-3" is called a dusting

we started out decently on offense but have gone a little stagnant.

@DinarHawk thank you, been saying that all season. this is not their first rodeo.

oh, boy, look at that group coming in.

Don't like Mason, Selden, Greene combo in the back court against the press. 2/3 of Mason, Graham, Svi need to always be in.

great stop on the fastbreak!

This looks like a junior high game

BG! Then doesn't hustle back

that looked like a clean block to me......

@HawkInMizery If they're gonna press on the inbounds, can we please have some ball handlers?

'tis precarious when Traylor dribbles so much.

@brooksmd I wish! that would be too much like making sense

Having traylor and Bragg at the same time is really hurting on the press break.

@tundrahok Him, Greene and LL should not be used in that situation.

This is some bad basketball we are playing. Zero poise acting like we never seen pressure in their lives

@DinarHawk not as much as bg

@BeddieKU23 has to do with personnel. Traylor should not be leading the fast break

@brooksmd Even with both DG and FM in, it almost looks like we didn't practice against a press - struggling to get anyone open. Just setting one basic screen at the top of the key.

@DinarHawk

has nothing to do with traylor. has everything to do with mason and our leaders giving away the basketball likes its candy

lol at that made 3. what a freaking joke

What happened to the team that plated for the first 6 mins of the game?

At least the ref didn't bite on that flop.

Ball handling is one thing, but smart passing is as important, or even more. Passing doesn't come naturally for Greene. He'd rather shoot. Lucas has many strengths, but catching a pass isn't one of them.

@HawkInMizery

disguised by making 3's

He was on the line

@BeddieKU23 you make a fair point. we need to start burying them we are missing open shots and with the way they press it will be easy to get open looks while they are still in the back court.

what the hell? how is that a foul on us? he extended his arm!

@HawkInMizery walk

@Crimsonorblue22 that could have been called too or the offensive foul

Michael Luke! Stop fran

this is a great 8 on 5 game

Go Wayne!

10 on 5 if you include the announcers

@Crimsonorblue22 I have mute activated

One thing we're failing to do is wait for all five of our guys to get down on offense. Too many 4 on 5 shots.

Stop Fran!!!!

@DanR They are forcing it

are they calling brick??

gotta hit that, svi

@Crimsonorblue22 Michael Luke, I heard it that time!

@DanR

just a terrible shot and a reason why he doesn't play the minutes he maybe should

open bucket after open bucket just being missed. and badly too. thankfully WVU isn't doing much on offense either.

We are "sped" up as HCBS would say. Rushing everything - including wide open outside looks. Not even coming close. Want to attack the press, but do it smartly.

Higgins must've called during last TO and told the refs they need to whistle us more.

@DCHawker

we did the same thing last year and nothing has changed.

WVU has us sped up. Need to calm down and run offense. We can win this game

PF's 8 - 3

if we don't buckle down and get to the FT line..its a big advantage to them. they are going to live and die with the refs tonight

and if the ball doesn't get to perry more than once every 10 possessions how do we keep this game honest?

I will say this WVU does have some beautiful cheerleaders - Fran Franschilla probably

DG, Svi and LL each with 2 PF's

i feel like they almost didn't want to call that kick ball. that was so delayed

the ball should touch perry every possession for the rest of the game.

Go Perry!

I hate our games with the Hillbillies- they're just ugly foulfests...

BG let us take it from your hands

how long for our guys to remember to protect the ball every second?

mason throwing to his friends in the stands..

Only down 4 playing poorly

D just stand there!

and now mason thinks well lets do 5 on 1..

This game will show our deficiencies. Go Hawks!

Shit

ball never left Lucas' hands?

@DanR stepped over the line

Terrible offense.

Two guard offense not helping vs. this press

@DinarHawk terrible d

this is like a bad nightmare. and unless self stops the bleeding at half is going to keep getting worse.

We don't have a competent 5.

Still, GO HAWKS!

Letting it slip away

@Khubar_Jayhawk or 3 or....

Refs working to get WVU into double bonus before half.

svi isn't the option in this game either. if graham hadn't hacked himself out we'd be ok

with the press they play how do we have 3 more fouls than they do? ridiculous

Perry Ellis is the only thing working offensively in the half court. WVU has no reason to play honest defense on anyone except the ball handler at the moment, and even on the possessions where the ball doesn't stick, and KU has an open shot, it's brick city.

Kansas has looked better than last year breaking the press, but they somehow look worse once they have crossed the time line.

@BeddieKU23 Maybe Vick gets some minutes???

@brooksmd Yup we're playing amazing ball. It's all the refs....

@DCHawker

i wish but it won't happen.

greene found his friends in the stands too. someone tell the hawks they arent playing

Tied at half would be good considering how bad we are playing

two balls we've just straight up chucked out of bounds.......this is fun to watch

The guys are better getting the ball up the floor than in half court and they aren't bringing it up court very well.

perry ellis again get him the BALL

@Khubar_Jayhawk I'm not saying we're playing amazing ball and it's all the ref's fault. Just pointing out the diff in fouls. It happens all the time. You wait and see the fouls will be called evenly the second half.

And yet we r only down 4.

we have to get out of m2m defense..this is brutal

Looked great first 5 minutes, then Self put in the back court combo of Mason, Selden, and Greene and haven't looked the same since.

Not Jamari's party to play in, IMO

Nice pass Mari!!

Er 6

Wayne and Perry step up

Might have to switch to zone. Terrible penetration D.

Svi has got to make some shots!

@DinarHawk

exactly but we can expect diallo to play first.. and thats not happenin

@DinarHawk No conception of what they are doing. Their bigs are no threat to score from more than a couple of feet. Should be sloughing off and protecting the paint - absolutely no reason for their guards to consistently get to the rim.

@DanR who would you play instead of Traylor? Which of the other bigs? Can any of them dribble or pass any better than Trayor? It's a puzzle.

some1 tell mari its not football

Bad move by Mari. Not the way you close the gap.

9 TO's

Feed Perry. They can't stop him

@brooksmd So are you saying that the difference in fouls is reasons why we're behind?

every defensive poss is a foul. its sad

@tundrahok mick until he fouls out

Another bad foul. Need to play smarter or this is an L

Perry is playing like a man while everyone else is boying-up.

@DanR Ha, wouldn't take long!

nice free throw there devonte.

how many f*cking times are we going to hear "they're not intimidated"...

i hate mushburger...

mason absolutely is the problem tonight. he's in that mode where its all me me me

sloppy sloppy play this is rigoddamndiculous

@DanR Mick couldn't handle Williams, who scored over him their first 2 possessions and hasn't scored since Mick sat.

KU was not in good enough cardio shape for this.

WVU doesn't even look tired.

guards need to locate their heads at halftime. I know where they should look.

WVU is +4 on the glass and +5 on offensive boards last I looked, that's a big part of their lead as well.

keeep bricking svi. your good at it

@KUSTEVE Hey, watch your language...

They have 10 ORBs to our 3. JT cannot handle Williams down low.

Svi Brickailiuk.

@jaybate-1.0 said:

Svi has got to make some shots!

If I hear about his "potential" the rest of the season, I will have to fight the urge to vomit. What in creation leads anyone to think this guy would be drafted this year?

Put Lucas in . Mari can't get it done tonight

@jaybate-1.0
he's only put up 3 of those possession killer bricks so far.

KU's head isn't in the game. Someone needs to show some heart. They can't get a stop without fouling.

@RockkChalkk have to be able to play without fouling.

we need some work on transition ...

its hard to show heart when your PG and SG are on a personal suicide mission

@Khubar_Jayhawk You don't think fouls affect the way you play? You think a player with no fouls plays the same as he would with 2?

@DinarHawk

Jam is dominating but he is buying Landen some down time for the second half

Giving up so many points at the line it is sickening. QUIT FOULING

Isnt

so kicking the ball is okay now. i thought so???

This game is baaaaad

if i could personally sit mason i would. but we have a coach for that dont we

Every bounce and every call is going against KU

he kicked the damn ball...

Unbelievable. Coach needs to settle them down. Embarrassing

They've gotten into our heads.

WVU 's guards are very fast

KU is playing like garbage right now. Getting owned on the glass, making dumb/bad passes, taking bad shots.

How's KU going to respond in the 2nd half to getting kicked in their balls the 1st half?

@KUSTEVE said:

how many f*cking times are we going to hear "they're not intimidated"...

Or the new buzzword for Fran, deflection?

@KUSTEVE

not in west virginia. thats not kicking.

10 will be very tough to over come.

Great big giant Trey!!!!!!!

Good way to end the half

Gotta love Huggy...

@DCHawker

bellichek of college b

Hugs has a Bob Knight sized presence. Maybe even bigger!

Diallo played well is his minute. Good D on Williams, ran the floor well, got a steal and a good foul.

I bet Diallo gets more minutes second half.

@tundrahok

might have had a dunk had mason realized hes got teammates

WVU shot 20 free throws in the first half. Coach needs to tell them to move their feet.

KU didn't come ready to play.

WVU drives to the hoop. only way to stop it is zone

@DoubleDD i don't agree. i think we'll come back 2nd half.

I say lets give WVU a taste of their own medicine.. Lets pressure the their offense. That way they can't rest offense.

@KUSTEVE

I didn't say the game was over. I just said KU didn't show up for that first half.

@BeddieKU23 yes, that is their offense. Self needs to be flexible and zone them

@DoubleDD Oh I so badly wish we would press more. Not as crazy as WVU but a soft press. Self always uses it early in the season, it works, then puts it on the shelf for the rest of the year. Don't understand it.

@DinarHawk

but he's not flexible. we know this. without a shot blocker in there they will do the same in the 2nd half.

Self should start Ellis and Diallo on both low blocks and play through them both for ten straight possessions. No treys. No drives. No fast breaks. Just back to basket and stick back. They could foul up WVU, get back in the lead, and then shoot treys to separate.

@Bill-Self We're gettin' it on all right. They better pull their heads out and stop playing tight sloppy ball. Huggins has nothing to lose except the game. They play like it too. KU plays tight and sloppy when they get that stupid #1 ranking.

@DinarHawk Yes, there seems to be a lot of complaining about the refs - in this game and others. But, the problem is not with the refs, its how we are playing defense - or not. We consistently allow too many open lanes into the paint and to the rim and then reach or slap f up high. Note the contrast when Frank or DG are penetrating - they are collapsing and closing off the circle area around the rim. They are not a good outside shooting team - we should be forcing them to make outside shots. Notwithstanding 1st half numbers, I'll take our guys from 3 over theirs any day.

The "highlight" they just showed at the break is indicative...

@DCHawker I am not blaming the refs. This has been a problem all year and Self still hasn't fixed it.

serious question.

did anyone notice 1 set KU ran worth of offense? so much 1 on 1 i lost track.

@DinarHawk I'm blaming them. We're getting mauled every offensive possession.

@KUSTEVE Perhaps, but there is a pretty consistent pattern over several games that our opponents are getting to the bonus much more quickly than we do. I see a lot more poor fundamentals and reaching on our part than getting mauled (not to say that doesn't happen).

@DCHawker 19-9. the phantom over and back call...they kicked the ball and it wasn't called...home cooking...

had to look this up so i wasn't going crazy.

i posted that a dead ball for a kick was a delayed call early. then it happened again and the refs were like nah that's not a violation.

Both the NBA and NCAA rules prohibit intentional kicking of the basketball. The rules classify intentional kicking of the ball as a violation resulting in a dead ball and a stoppage in play.

@BeddieKU23 not in west virginia...

@KUSTEVE Again, maybe, but how come we weren't getting the benefit of home cooking at AFH?

first 8 minutes decide the game. and they decide whether i care enough to watch the rest

when are they gonna call williams for trying to knock lucas down

@DCHawker So, because we had more fouls in the first half at AFH, that has what to do with getting screwed over by the refs tonight? I understand you're trying to create a narrative based on our fouling, but I was commenting about tonight's thugfest.

1:01 and a foul

@BeddieKU23 Lucas is soft. He needs to get big and mean down low. The guy is a 6-10 cream puff.

@truehawk93

i totally wanted him to take that open 3

KU can't hit side of a barn tonight.

we are on about our 3rd brick house foundation. its fine its one of those nights

Good drive by Wayne. Needs to do more of that

fans about to get loud with the boo's when we get into 1 and 1 soon

@KUSTEVE All I'm saying is that I fully get - based on what I see on the floor - why we're getting a lot of the fouls called against us - not just tonight.

All short treys now.

avg a foul per min so far

Inadvertent!

Perry was fouled 4 times on that last drive...

Frank's cornea attacked the guys finger nails.

@KUSTEVE and on the rebound

frank must've hit himself in the eye...

okay everyone have a good night. its just not our game

By far Frank's worst game this year....

and Perry wasn't tackled on that rebound...right, it was just a jump ball...

@DCHawker of ever! Maybe we should skip this trip!

Not our night.

Mason playing like a Frosh tonight

wayne wasn't hit on the arm...he must've just lost the ball for no reason...

The refs are killing us. there should be a flagrant on that turnover..

Breaking news KU players drugged, hence why they can't pass, shoot, or dribble.

smh....

@DoubleDD or play d

We are starting to see the old Huggo Muggo at last. Stiff screens. Eye scratching. Look at Perry's forehead. Looks like he is being guarded by barbed wire. Bob's turning the prison bodies loose. He kicks you when you're down, just like Marsha!

Embarrassing.

KU is simply playing undisciplined basketball right now. Ellis is the only one playing under control right now. Everyone else is playing really sped up right now.

@jaybate-1.0 saw the scratches on perry

We have no chance unless we can run some offense. We aren't even getting shots off. They need to get some transition baskets off the press or this game is over

@Texas-Hawk-10 that is the problem. Undisciplined group. On the coach, imo

@jaybate-1.0 What are you talking about? the refs robbed us this game

i can do this the whole game...every offensive possession we are getting mauled...

@Texas-Hawk-10 said:

KU is simply playing undisciplined basketball right now. Ellis is the only one playing under control right now. Everyone else is playing really sped up right now.

And KU is letting one mistake lead to another. Not only is Perry the only guy with a sense of discipline on the court in blue, he is the only guy with confidence. Anyone else gets their hands on the ball there is no fluidity, no plan.

Gotta keep going to Perry

Perry shoot!!!

We can't defend these guys without fouling, wtf?

Svi doens't have any problem with English -- "F*** me"

@DinarHawk Self can only say the same thing so many times before it's on the players to calm down. At this point, it's on Mason and Selden to calm everyone else down because Self can't do that for them.

That Perry shot should've been 5 points if it wasn't for the refs.

@DinarHawk bs

Bob is Defending the lead from the FT line, and we have make long and short treys. Bob stealing a page from Bill.

wow. they call the foul before there is even contact there.

seems like Huggy is splitting his bonus with the zebras

Perry getting mugged every time

Everybody get on board the Ellis train is coming through.

Back in the game!

Graham dribbled one on 2 instead of passing to Greene. Good decision.

That Ellis foul should've been 4 points and an extra shot if it wasn't for the zebras.

Hunter

That's the way to do it. Run them over.

Hunter making a difference

Boards killing us

That Green missed 3 shot should've gone in if it wasn't for the refs

For guys that were highly ranked out of HS and have played college for 3 years now, it's amazing how poorly BG and WS handle the ball. All right hand and barely that....

One on one crap not working

Bad possession

Devonte killing us with bad shot selection on offense, BG on defense

Two bad shots, two WVU scores

@Khubar_Jayhawk Nice to have you, troll monkey. I guess you don't have alot to do during basketball season at Misery.

Selden coming back next year!

@KUSTEVE

Or football. Pinkel left and so did MU football.

I've never seen a d1 player play worse d than bg

@Crimsonorblue22 Mobile as a center, trying to guard guards.

@KUSTEVE Ah yes, call me a troll. shift the focus from a bad game to the refs and me.

Texas Hawk, what we just saw is why this is on Self. He should tell them to quit with this 1 on 1 crap, run the offense, and get it to Perry. They were within four and now it's eight. Someone has to get these guys to calm down and execute.

Put Bragg in please

Bill shouldn't have told his guards to increase their turnovers.

Need someone bigger to guard williams. Fouls are really hurting us

Closed the gap when Mick was in and as soon as he comes out, we have zero rim protection - JT simply can't provide it.

You'd expect WV to be tired by now running the press..

@DinarHawk like who?

@Crimsonorblue22
Hunter did fine when he was in

Announcers calling for Bragg and Diallo to play.

Oh come on!! Thats a terrible call.

@DinarHawk Put Diallo on him. Williams didn't score in the whole minute he was guarded by Diallo in the first half.

We can't win if we foul every time they have the ball

@tundrahok to late! Foul!

FREE THROWS!! Ugh

@RockkChalkk DG has missed 2 front-ends

Embarrassing effort. Have they been coached at all on defense?

@DCHawker That should count as two missed free throws each time.

What do you call a bunch of WV fans storming the court?

A full set of teeth.

Valiant come back thwarted by Devonte's youth.

It's up to frank now.

The press is HCBS's kryptonite.

Can't believe this.

D!!!

Shades of VCU.

Very tough to make long treys with legs this tired

Playing our worst game of the season. It's alright. We are being brought back to earth. We will be the better for it.

@jaybate-1.0 Why aren't WVU tired pressing all game?

Way to go Cheick.

@Khubar_Jayhawk 10 guys

Diallo standing tall in the paint. I guess he's not ready to play???

Don't lose hope, we still have 7 minutes left.

@jaybate-1.0 Maybe he can "save us?" Ya think?

What's with the WV hip thrusts. Looks like a whorehouse out there when they're on defense.

Tough game to watch. No adjustments. Hawks are all out of sorts. As Mason goes...and Mason just isn't going. He hasn't been right since OU.

@DoubleDD He's playing great Defense.

@DoubleDD looked good that time. He's getting a chance!

@Blown He had a double-double against Texas Tech and was our best player.

@Crimsonorblue22 We've played 11 - they've played 9. How come they look strong and faster???

@Blown But he has 6 TO's & 2 asst.

@SkinnyKansasDude I don't mind losing, but it is the way these guys are playing. Defending without fouling, smart decisions, good passes, not dribbling into traffic - intangibles. Should be there even on a bad shooting night. No excuse

@MoonwalkMafia was bad first half though.

@MoonwalkMafia That doesn't mean he wasn't hurting.

Remarkable is that they are shooting 32% overall and 27% from 3 and beating us my double digits. Effort and smarts. We have 10 fewer ORBs and twice as many TOs. Plus missing FTs.

We are actually playing ok for not having any half court offense that works. This is why Self should have reduced it to a low block game with Perry and Cheick first thing. Hugg was determined to take Frank out with the press and a long guard.

9 points with 7 to go is doable

Need to make our freethrows.

If Frank hit ft

@jaybate-1.0 Absolutely...

@Blown Maybe he shouldn't have been playing 35+ in blowouts during the non-con?

Another o rebound. Embarrassing effort

How was that not called a walk?

@DoubleDD Right now that's the difference in the game...I believe WVU hit at least 10 the first half

In half court drive ball they are a copy of KU

Scary group there

But WVU's guards are just faster than ours. Amazing

Boards😡

Worst game I've watched since he infamous TCU game. Piss poor in all phases

You know I say lets play Bragg and Diallo. Lets just see what happens.

Two won't do

@jaybate-1.0 not why this is an L

Maybe this is just the homer P.O.V but It feels like Bill cost himself every chance at 50/50 foul calls when he blew his lid on Gary ref against OU just before half time as well.

Gotta take treys now!

Remind me why Lucas is in there? Williams has owned him all night

Svi has to exit.

What is Lucas' vertical jump measurable? 3"? I don't think I ever see him jump higher than that. Like ever.

Come on coach play Diallo, Play Diallo, Play Diallo.

Perry and Diallo are the only 2 who made the trip. The rest should have stayed home

@jaybate-1.0 we got the guys to do it if we set some screens correct. Prob why Lucas is still in there.

@DoubleDD I agree. Thought he played well while he was in there the last sequence.

Bad game all around. Can't tell if it is an off game, or we can't handle the press.

@DoubleDD

I agree. They need to shoot treys and stick back; that's Diallo

Quick question, when was the last time West Virginia beat the number one ranked team ?

At least he would have challenged that last layup by Williams

We had every opportunity and didn't take it. Except Perry and Landon this group is soft and they lack poise and smart decision making. Coach did not calm them down like he should have in the first half. Reminds me of a first weekend game. I also don't buy the conditioning crap.

One of those nights. Franks worst game in entire career. Can't hit FT's. Can't hit 3's. It's not us. Take this loss and learn.

@ZIG Williams has owned whoever we put on him since the year Wiggs was here...

Frank's game from hell!!!

How many To's for Frank now? Who's countin?

@ZIG Could probably say that about all of the players tonight. Just not their day; playing well below their ability.

@globaljaybird Lost count

Frank and Devonte have never run into TWO guards faster than them!!!

@RockkChalkk 7 for Frank and 6 for Wayne.

Man there must be something in the water in WV, cause KU always plays like crap up there.

@Khubar_Jayhawk Just an off conf road game ...this schizz happens. No one runs conf tables anymore...unless you're a stack Nike...

@DCHawker our leaders

@DoubleDD maybe it's snow? Or they got there late or .........

@DinarHawk He ripped their asses about rebounding at halftime so "calming" is not how I would describe it...

How many second chance points does WVU have tonight? And how many FT's have they made after getting an offensive board?

Even with all of KU's turnovers (Mason has 7 and Selden has 6), I'm guessing that if KU didn't let WVU go +10 on the offensive glass, KU would be winning right now or at least within 5 points right now because WVU has shot like crap all night tonight.

Svi is in danger of going into cryo

Painful!

Gotta put this one behind us.

Devonte learned a lot from this game. He has finally been eaten alive at D1 speeds. He ll never forget it.

We ned 3's & no kickout back to BG? Someone is not thinking at all...

We got mugged by THE HUGG!

Weird not shooting treys

@jaybate-1.0 They handed Frank his ass too...

Darn I thought we might lose this. But it'd be nice to atleast look like a D1 team. My goodness fellas

Passed 50

@jaybate-1.0 We don't know if he'll have learned from this game until he's in the situation again. We also saw Mason regress big time tonight with 7 TO's and playing very timidly.

@globaljaybird

Yep!

This will be 3 in a row at home in the HUGG Vs SELF match up. Another 25,000 for Huggy.

Are these idiots really going to rush the floor again?

I hope Self puts this game on replay in the KU locker room all week long.

@ZIG thought we couldn't do that in the big 12?

If Perry had not been an absolute man, they would have doubled the score on us easily

Hope this doesn't turn into an Ames or Manhattan situation after WVU wins and they're respectful while storming the court and let KU players and staff leave in peace.

@jaybate-1.0 Huggs will get his pickup of Beechnut & a2 kegs of PBR & .O Luck has his sh*t eatin grin back...Chieck who...?

This is pretty embarrassing honestly. Unbelievable to play this badly. Just too many guys off on the same night?

Sad to say guys, but we might have to wait till next year when our guards finally mature and make better decisions.

If you're planning to rush the floor, and preparing well in advance, it's not spontaneous. So what the hell's the point?

Sure wish we'd practiced more pressing

@cragarhawk 2 games in a row

Damn look at Vick get to the rim and actually put it in.

@DinarHawk I'm not waiting!

If 11-12 PTS is our worst loss, we'll be ok

We've made exactly 10 2 pt shots the entire game. That's hard to do - or not do - or whatever.

Bill has been Hugged.

Let's see what was going on tonight. I'm sure Self will announce that someone was playing either sick or gimped, maybe Frank? It appears Self is beginning to look like one of the worst game prep coaches in D1 bball. He just can't make enough adjustments to turn a losing game into a winner.

KU just got EXPOSED...AGAIN. So much for a #1 ranking. Great game all around guys. I've never seen a loss quite like this one.

Where are all the big mouths that were bashing WVU? Give them credit...they did what they said they would do. KU was not prepared at all. They deserve to lose and they definitely do not deserve the #1 ranking.

Bragg boosts his 3 pt %

Bragg = point center!

Why wait 30 seconds to foul if you are gonna foul.

Well, our 3 PT % is actually going up!

Screw playing Bragg inside. Svi sits and Bragg takes over Svi's role!!!

@truehawk93 I agree. Zone would have been perfect. No one wants to believe me, but this one is on Self.

Oh no!

Not a court storming

West Virginia fans prove the didn't deserve to be #1

They deserved to lose that game they played like garbage from start to finish for the most part just dumb sloppy boneheaded plays all game. WVU gave them the business

Well crap, my bad. I won't let it happen ever again.

They deserve to storm. Let them storm. I want the guys to feel this agony and remember it all the way to the tourney.

@truehawk93 a lot of it is because he wants to do everything one way.

WVU is a very good team.

Perry is the most positive takeaway from this game. He is the man.

KU got kicked right square in the balls tonight and cowered in the fetal position instead of getting pissed off and fighting back, other than Perry Ellis who earned his man card tonight.

@jaybate-1.0 Always have and always will with Huggie at the controls.

@jaybate-1.0 we also helped them quite a bit

Damn I need a Banjo and a jug.

We've got a new rival

Am atleast happy I won't have to hear anymore "undefeated in the lil12 this year" bs anymore. Idk who ever would have thought that to begin with. And yes. Nights like tonight are the reason why some say this still looks like the team that lost second round to Wichita state.

Small locker room

@DinarHawk Put it in perspective, chalk it up to exp, & move on. Face it we're due...Haven't lost in 2 months... If you'd told me after MSU we wouldn't lose for the next 2 months Ida been happy as a puppy with 2 flippin peters. No such thing as a good loss, but it's only 1 loss.Huggs get the beer, Beechnut, & a briefcase of bus tokens-so what? Not the end of the world. They'll be 10-12 guys that want to blame Self, but we played like krap & couldn't hit a FT to save our lives...I sure as hell wouldn't want to be TCU visiting AFH this weekend. As many armchair Dr Naismith's we have that post here, someone will want to stir up the smack pot & call Self on the carpet-hell they may even want HEM as a coach-I dunno. But let me know who does cause I've got some really damn fine horses to sell...They ain't been born yet but you can believe me ...if ya want to...aw come on...he, he...

Geez, their locker room is smaller than Self's office

@DinarHawk

Yup.

KU needs to work on its cardio.

I posted earlier that 5-4 on the road might win the conference...some other poster thought I was dead wrong...hhhmmm...maybe not that wrong after all... :(

It's an out house and it's all Huggy's big game plan to psyche KU off the court. It apparently worked. Well, they get to come to our house now. Maybe the guys will decide to play and take this team seriously. Every single B12 team is going to punch them in the mouth and gut every single game.

Where are the Twins when you need them? It makes me appreciate their mean streaks.

If Mason and Selden both play like tonight, we're not even average!

@globaljaybird I know that losses happen, but it is the way we lose. Looked like the WSU game. These guys crumple when even a little pressure is applied. This team will not make the final four if they play panicked from pressure. Coach has to work with them because it is a toughness thing.

@jaybate-1.0 WVU is a good team, and a loss on the road to a good team in conference certainly isn't the end of the world. Would have been mildly (but pleasantly) surprised to come out with a W. But, it's the manner of loss that is so vexing. It's not like they shot the lights out or played that well - it's more that we played very poorly - and not very smart. Didn't seem to be any adjustments to what they were doing. We should have packed it inside and made them make a few outside shots - never did anything to stop their dribble penetration and pick up a lot of cheap fouls.

The question is whether anything is really learned from this...

That was/is the textbook example of how to lose. Didn't think they would fail this badly on FTs and TOs though. No nights off from here on out.

well, we weren't going to go undefeated in the conference. Our 'best backcourt in the nation' can't possibly play worse than this.

this too shall pass.

On to the next game. The road to #12 and Final Four is still well-lit for us.

Does Huggins still get a bonus for beating us?

@chriz yep

@JayHawkFanToo

Why not just call me out?? You know you're were talking about me. Hey dude I'm a KU homer and will never predict KU losing a game.

Man you've got issues. You rather KU lose so you can be right? Wow Dude. Not me I'll gladly be wrong about anything as long as KU wins. Yet that is just the kind of fan I am.

I hope Bill schedules a team that presses like that twice a year to prep the Jayhawks for the tournament. Oh wait, they're in the big 12, it's been taken care of.

Will KU be scared of heighth? No, the Anteaters have been conquered. Also great scheduling.

Will KU handle a zone? Yup, looked good against the two different zone teams played so far.

Is the sky falling after one loss? Not yet, besides its my fault for setting foot in Manhattan on gameday. The Jayhawks and Bill Self had nothing to do with this loss. :)

@DinarHawk Maybe this will be our ugly loss of the year?

@DCHawker exactly. Coach has to do a little self reflection, man up, and admit he himself could do better. We should have won this game. WVU is not a good offensive team and we made them look like a title contender.

@DinarHawk How does a zone defense change KU getting their ass kicked on the glass and cut down on KU's turnovers? Those were the two differences tonight. The two biggest weaknesses of playing a zone defense are giving up better 3 point looks (WVU shot 25% from outside so would not have been an issue tonight) and getting fewer defensive rebounding and considering WVU finished with 15 offensive boards, that number would've been higher had KU gone to zone and KU likely loses by more.

@JayHawkFanToo I still don't think 4-5 losses on the road will win the big 12.

Yeah our defense was weak, especially late in the game. We played them too close on the perimeter. I'd rather them beat us with the 3 than driving the ball down our throats.

We lost the game by turning the ball over, letting them get dribble penetration, and by fouling too much. Even subtracting the 10 or so they scored at the line when we put them there on purpose, they still outscored us by 10 or so at the line. Heck, back off of them and let them beat us from the outside. Only Carter, I think, has proven the ability to hit the 3. Obviously, it is hard to win with 20 or more turnovers.

They out-scored us by 20 at the foul line.

Considering Self made ZERO adjustments, maybe he's been spending his prep time looking forward to the UK game.

@Hawk8086 my thoughts exactly. Wasn't it Graham mostly?

@DoubleDD

So, in order to be a "good" KU fan I have to lose sense of reality and state that KU is going to win every game including road games in the toughest conference in college basketball? That is not being a good fan, that is being delusional. Yes, my heart tells me that KU is going to win every time but my head knows better...your should try it sometime.

@DinarHawk You bet your condo he does... that's why it's called practice. But he couldn't play for them tonight or any other night. WVU played tougher, stronger & thuggier, Is that a word? Bragg or Diallo aren't able to hang with D 1 big boys yet, our young guards played awful soft & everyone else just followed the breadcrumbs...

@dylans ok, never go there again!

@DinarHawk let's hear your suggestions! Man up

last two games have been on the road, TT was a tough game on sat, travel home, then go on the road all the way to WV, I can't say I am surprised by how this game went. I am not happy, but I am not surprised. Here's to regrouping.

Did anyone else think Vick could of helped us in this game? I don't think he would of saved the game by any means but his ball handling seems to be much better than Svi or Greene, it would of been worth a shot just to see.

Why is that Korean gold looking a little useless right now? I'm not so sure that may have hurt the team. This team has played A LOT of bball.

@RockChalkinTexasSwish...you nailed it-FT's, TO's, & did I say rebounds???

And hey. Hate me if ya like. I'm sorry. Lucas belongs in an NAIA jersey. Idk how he got a D1 scholarship. And especially not to an elite school and ball club

@Jayrawks1 worth a try!

@Texas-Hawk-10 so coach doesn't work with them in practice? He doesn't get to talk with them in timeouts?

@cragarhawk I hate to agree and I was one of Lucas' biggest supporters for most of his time at KU. I was waiting for him to blow up and become one of the best 5th yr seniors in D1 ball. I was wrong. He's soft and doesn't play big at all. He's a 6-10 waste of space at this point. I don't know what he's doing, but he hasn't done much.

He still has a whole season ahead and can prove me wrong though. I hope he proves me wrong.

@chriz Yeah, a box truck fulla chew & a lifetime supply of floss...

@Crimsonorblue22 less individual play, more ball screens, quit driving into four guys in the paint, move your feet and quit reaching, and box out your man and push him to the concession stands or you are going to sit on the bench.

How many teams in the nation have two Mcdonalds all American who sit the bench? Not counting Kentucky. Serious question, is there any other team?

@cragarhawk no hate, but don't like to throw a Jayhawk under the bus. How well did BG play tonight? They are our kids

I just assumed since nothing we did changed the game maybe some raw talent would do the trick.

I hope this was a great big Charlie Foxtrot. If not, we are in for a nasty game with UK.

@Jayrawks1 shame on you for not telling us about your trip! Need a good story now.

@Crimsonorblue22 Lucas is a 5th year SENIOR and he's 6-10. I love the kid and want the best, but this kid needs to breakout NOW. He's not the most athletic and he does give us some fundamentals, but it may not be enough to win critical games. His size is a joke at this point. He's got to get mean and physical or he's going to be an epic failure.

@truehawk93 think he's a redshirt jr?

@Crimsonorblue22 I also agree with BG. I don't understand his talent. I'm at a loss right now.

@DinarHawk Sounds good to me dinar ! Cept the rocks also gotta fall...including the Ray, (don't look Ethyl, Stevens free shots...

@Crimsonorblue22 I don't know anymore. He's just not where he should be at this point. I hope for the best and maybe soon.

@Crimsonorblue22 wish I had a great story to tell. Word got out to my family that we were in town so the day that was to be spent in Lawrence was spent eating lunch for one hour at applebees in OP, Gross! Going to wyndotte to see my sister for one hour, visiting my grandparents for one hour and then to Lawrence to eat a quick bite at Chipotle, made it to our seats w 45 min to spare, took in the atmosphere while I cussed at an old lady who stood up in front of me every 5 seconds because she thought something good was about to happen. The game was a W, much better than tonight. I left feeling bad for the 7'6 guy who seemed to be a gentle giant yet everyone hated him in the stands. Left soon after to a 3 hour drive home to Spfd MO, not a great story but the story all the same. We will be making one more trip later this year and I will keep my visit more a secret from the family lol

@Jayrawks1 said:

How many teams in the nation have two Mcdonalds all American who sit the bench? Not counting Kentucky. Serious question, is there any other team?

And how many McDonald's MVPs have been so unproductive their freshman year? Bill is obviously an awesome coach, but that does strike me as strange.

@Jayrawks1 hey if it's a game I'm going to I will take u guys around! Glad u didn't get sick at chipotle too.

@Crimsonorblue22 I absolutely hope the best for any of our players and Lucas included. But i don't have a hair of a notion why he's in a Kansas jersey. There's been far better players that ended up transferring to a place that better suited them. And I think this is actually a case where he would do better for himself and another team elsewhere. Luckily I'm not the coach. If I were he wouldnt see another minute here. Bill is and its his choice. It's my choice to disagree

I just realized WVU ended the game, with a few seconds left, up by 9-10 pts, and DUNKED the ball? To end the game? If that were Bill Self, he would've had our players dribble out for the win. Remember the EJ dunk in Ames? He was crucified.

I'm sick of being the nice kid on the block and getting blackeyes without punching back. Self needs to stop being nice and start getting some meanness in these guys. But hey, we're KU? We give standing ovations to great players and apologies for being the big bully. I guess it's not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game?

@cragarhawk I do believe Lucas was a bit of a solution during a dry spell with bigs. There were a few years where we couldn't buy a big.

@truehawk93 I'm not sure we've yet purchased one... Lol

@Jayrawks1 Hey...instead of cussing that old lady, maybe you should have turned her over your lap & laid a big old kiss on her. Maybe that is what she was yelling for?

I guess I kind of lucked out and my ESPN3 malfunctioned and fast forwarded to near the end of the game revealing the score. I'm really pissed that this team is not tougher than this. I got to see the first ten minutes or so, played OK, and then WVU started making layups, we started missing shots all over, turnovers, and then the thing fast forwarded inexplicably, which I guess saved me from watching this miserable underachieving team that we've had ever since nearly winning a championship. Why can't we beat freaking West Virginia? This is not Kansas basketball. We don't automatically assume a loss when we go to any gym in our conference. But now we do. We know we can't beat WVU at their gym. Sure they'll come to Lawrence and our soft little players will decide to perform for the home folks, but not before losing at KSU, OSU, OU, ISU. Sorry folks, but this loss feels like we're going to bomb out in the NCAA again. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm usually more optimistic, but the instant replay I saw of the last several years games makes me very pessimistic.

@cragarhawk The year the Twins went pro really caught Self with his pants completely down. Remember, he wasn't expecting MkMorris to go pro. It was a strange time when Self seemed really panicked for bigs. He really hooked his horse to MkMorris. Yet that was also soon around the time in 2012 when Withey and TRob took us to the NC game against UK too? If my memory serves me correctly, I believe MkMorris could've made a little difference with Mr Davis and Co.

@curmudgeonjhwk it could have been me! Jk I wasn't there.

@truehawk93 didn't expect Embiid to leave.

@wissoxfan83 I feel the same way. You would think they would have a little more motivation after having their behinds handed to them by Stanford and WSU. Guess not. Also makes me wonder what goes on in practice and timeouts.

@Crimsonorblue22 I think he was actually 50/50 with Embiid. I do believe though MkMorris was a really hard lesson. But with McMorris going, it didn't surprise most of us. The minute Marcus jumped, I think most knew Mk would follow.

@truehawk93 time to get tougher and fight back

@DinarHawk LOL...hopefully they know what tough means in the B12. They will learn the hard way?

@Crimsonorblue22 Why weren't you there?

@curmudgeonjhwk 3 hrs away. Going to Texas, Kentucky and ISU- senior pm. Really can't get up there during the week. I'd like to go to wv game.

We may have a "be careful what you ask for season"? Many have been playing with a lot of possibilities. What if he have an '88 kind of season. Or, what if this team is the team to fail at a #12 and uses that as motivation to land a NC? Maybe all or nothing? I've read a lot of wishes over the years. What will #12 cost us? What will a NC cost? Nothing? We shall see.

@Crimsonorblue22 Why would you want to go to WV game when the team refuses to show up to challenge them?

@curmudgeonjhwk one of these best games i saw last year, especially after ll landed on Perry.

@curmudgeonjhwk no toughness in these guys

@DinarHawk You're right...not tonight! It pains me to see them go belly up like they did tonight when Perry plays his heart out. This was his last opportunity to win in Morgantown & he looked like the only one who wanted to win. I lost a lot of respect for this team tonight...a bunch of belly up, could care less, pat-me-on-the-back & rub my belly losers!

@JayHawkFanToo

Maybe? but why rub another fellow KU fan's face in a just happened KU loss, and then pound your chest and claim you're were right? I don't know, but that is kind of weird coming from another KU fan? I think you might be taking you're hatred for me a little to far?

But hey to each his own.