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@jaybate-1.0 Ahhh Oliver Stone's JFK! Though certainly you enjoyed it as entertainment as I did, people like my father still quote the completely inaccurate lines of Kevin Costner as fact! It's a shame many use that as a source for making a judgment on whether or not it was a conspiracy because there are so many serious works of research on both sides. Now, you reference the "Magic Bullet" which I think you'll find was no magic bullet at all. The seat that Governor Connally rode in was three inches lower and inboard of the President. When the correct position of the seats are taken into account, one finds a straight line from Governor Connally's thigh, to his wrist, to his ribcage, through the President's upper back and finally to Oswald's rifle. Nor was it "pristine" as HEM alluded to. Keep in mind this was a military round meant to pass through the body without breaking up, this is seen as more humane and less likely to cause massive trauma to the body, particularly the internal organs. In my favorite book on this subject, "Reclaiming History" by Vincent Bugliosi, he discusses the extent of the actual damage to this bullet. One notices when looking at the bullet from the base just how badly smashed it had become, lead extruding from the base and the bullet becoming an oval-type shape. The bullet actually weighed something like three ounces less than it's original weight. This was indeed a badly damaged bullet. And remember, it contacted flesh it's entire flight path except twice; once when it nicked the Governor's rib bone and the second time when it hit the Governor's wrist which caused some flattening. The radius, being weaker than most bones in the body, has been known to inflict very little to no damage on bullets.

@HighEliteMajor In regards to the third bullet fired from Oswald, which is my favorite bullet to discuss because it really gets into how the body and particularly the head reacts when struck by foreign objects like bullets. First, the entrance wound in the right-rear of President Kennedy's head immediately dispels any possibility of a shot being fired from anywhere but behind the President. Now, a rough understanding of physics, which is all I have, tells you that the President's head would move only very slightly in the direction the bullet was traveling because of the weight of the bullet compared to the weight of the head. Also, there is natural muscular resistance to being propelled in the direction of an object that strikes you. So the head snap to the rear could not have been caused by the force of a bullet, weighing 1/3 of an ounce, fired from the front. That is precisely what happened, the President's head moved slightly forward AND downward, which is key. I pulled my book out for a qoute here: "The neuromuscular reaction in which the heavier back muscles predominate over the lighter abdominal muscles would have thrown him backwards no matter where the bullet came from."

@rocketdog I'll check it out, thank you! And as stated earlier, I highly recommend "Reclaiming History." A monster of a book but interesting the whole way through.

Enjoyed the discussion with you guys, love how this site seems to have attracted only those capable of engaging in friendly and meaningful discussions. And apologies to those who come here for basketball! Hope it was only a minor annoyance and a matter of scrolling down just a little further.

WHAT IF Gooden comes back for the 2002-2003 season. One of my many depressing what if's concerning Kansas basketball.

@jaybate-1.0 Never heard of Jack Ruby claiming to be a patsy, in fact he took a much more righteous position and claimed to have killed Oswald out of pure patriotism and moral obligation; for our country and Jackie and her children. I know most don't want to see this conversation on the boards so I'll try and keep it short. I equivocate the 'Kennedy conspiracy' with the '9/11 conspiracy.' So many people like to moan about the inefficiency of our government and the total dysfunction that plagues it. Yet, when it comes to these conspiracies that could only have been elaborate and complex in nature, our government agencies and employees somehow morph into a highly effective and secretive bureaucracy. I don't buy it. You kill Oswald, then you have to kill Jack Ruby, and the man who killed Jack Ruby, and so on and so forth. The logic doesn't add up. Not to mention, Oswald's feat of two well-aimed shots out of three in 9 seconds was not miraculous and totally in the realm of possibility for any average Marine rifleman.

@Crimsonorblue22 That absolutely cracked me up. I'd like to think 90's Coach K benches him but he also pampered Laettner so perhaps not. By the way, that 30 for 30 almost made me hate him more. I'll admit I have a secret respect for Coach K though.

@Blown In my experience it's become a very addictive subject of study! The feeling is mutual, always respect those opinions that differ from yours! Just need DC and Topeka to do the same.

Just switched to the OU-MSU game. Lot of defensive breakdowns for Michigan State, Oklahoma taking advantage. Hope they represent the Big 12 well and make a push.

@Crimsonorblue22 I agree with ya, that was just awful.

Hey, we've all seen Utah come back when down big at half haven't we? This is far more manageable. Keep fightin' Utes!

@Blown Never understood the conspiracy theories behind LBJ, nothing sticks. Great book out there by Gerald Posner called, "Case Closed." One of the great points of the book is that it's so hard to accept that such a consequential human being could be killed by such an inconsequential man. So we look for a deeper meaning behind the murder, a conspiracy if you will. Perhaps that's the same reason we Kansas fans hurt so much when we lose to the likes of UNI, VCU, and WSU! How can the great Kansas basketball program fall to these guys??

@ralster I'm almost off for the weekend, I think I could go for a six pack of that!

@ParisHawk that's an excellent point and one I've never really considered. Does our unmatched home-court advantage mask deeper issues that manifest themselves on the road and most noticeably in the March elimination tournaments? That's an interesting question.

I can't watch anymore, it's too brutal. On to the Arizona-Xavier game.

Ok, the basketball universe feels a little more just now. Now Huggy bear needs to eat those kitties.

What a classy human being. It's such a shame his great mind failed him at the end.

Got these numbers from wikipedia so I apologize in advance if they're inaccurate. The percentage of 2 seeds advancing in the round of 32 past either 7 or 10 seeds historically lies at about 67%. Strong odds but greatly reduced compared to 1 seeds vs 8 or 9 seeds which rests at around 86%. Almost a twenty point difference. Kansas' performance as a 2 seed (7 times with 3 losses coming in the second round) is around 58%. Undeniably under-performing with two of the three losses coming this year and last year. The positive in me says in ten years, with the consistency of our program, that number should progress closer towards the mean or even exceed it.

@nuleafjhawk people forget just how bad that program was up in Manhattan before Coach Snyder and that's credit to him. Men and women who exhibit such strong leadership, particularly in the coaching field, could probably have succeeded just about anywhere they invested their talents. You'll remember Coach Snyder caused quite a raucous this past election cycle! Haha.

Wish they would have shown up to the polls. Would've bet money in the summer that the Governor was toast.. As long as he wins every four years he'll remain deaf to booing. But politics aren't for a board such as this! The Symphony in the Flint Hills is wonderful though!

@Crimsonorblue22 Where were all those people booing on election day?? haha. I say Coach Self run our state after he's all finished up with our basketball program.

@nuleafjhawk love it. What It Means to Be a Jayhawk- by Jeff Bolig and Doug Vance is worth the read as well.

@ralster gotta agree with you here, wholeheartedly. I think HCBS got out-coached by the oil man but I'm really not buying this turmoil in the locker room hypothesis. Coach Self is a tough but fair man and I do believe the guys all see this and know that when it comes to basketball and life in general, Bill knows best. He's an intelligent, charismatic guy and I believe he cares about all of them like crazy and I think the guys reflect that in the post-game interviews and through their demeanor even after a crushing loss such as the one to WSU. He's the leader and to read into his remarks during a heated timeout is to me absurd. Leaders lead, he's the coach and they're the young men that play for him. He is not in the throws of a meltdown because he questions his guy's performance in the moments of a game. Notice his demeanor when he knows these guys are rattled; he smiles and tells them to relax and get it together. He's not perfect on the sidelines, but I think he's a great influence on them on and off the court.

Like the post Jaybate, I'm always a sucker for optimism. Makes me curious as to just what the message boards were like after the Bradley loss and our second first round exit in a row!

Jaybate, I want you to know I loved your pre-game Omaha post, read it all in the voice of our distinguished Jayhawk, General Eisenhower. Great post!

Well guys, I've been following so many of you since the old site when I was a little kid and even followed some on the old cbssports message boards, I've read all of your posts for years and always felt like I've had nothing to contribute but I have to say I'm pretty crushed by this loss. This is three losses in a row in the month of March that I just find totally inexcusable. I try and convince myself that I care more about the regular season, the grind it out victories that translate into 11 conference championships that may some day equal those of my hero Coach Wooden, but these disappointing efforts stick with me more than those conference championships every year. I wish it weren't so, but it is.

In 2012 I was lucky enough to have been in St. Louis and experience in person the incredible effort that propelled us to victory against UNC to New Orleans. I watched the unexplainable upset against Ohio State in Allen Fieldhouse and celebrated on Mass Street. These memories stick with me. Since that time I've been away from Kansas and I feel drawn to the Kansas and KC area through our sports teams and through you guys. My family traveled without me to Dallas in 2013 and experienced the heartbreak firsthand. Through it all, I always come back to you guys. Jaybate and HEM, to name just a couple, have been my go to opinions for Kansas basketball. This is an incredible site, you all are such a joy to read. The positivity, loyalty, and depth of knowledge is refreshing.

I talked to my father at length about this, we are spoiled, of that there is no doubt. But I do not not believe it is irrational to expect these teams to advance to the second weekend. I didn't expect this team to be national champions. But to me, losing in the round of 32 two years in a row is similar to a first round exit. If you cannot make it to the second weekend with the talented players and coach that we have than you've underperformed at Kansas. So here I am, emotionally raw and in the process of recovery. I just wanted to thank you for the citadel of Kansas basketball this site has provided. You guys are awesome. I hope to see some of you around for the Royals?? Anyways, always faithful to our Jayhawks! Rock Chalk!