I took my 78 year old mother to get her first shot last week, no ill effects. Just wanted to put that out there for an FYI.
Great to hear. I've got my first shot scheduled for next week.
I got my 2nd last Monday. No ill effects from either. First one arm was sore the next day. However my fiance couldn't get out of bed for 24 hrs after the 2nd and she was in shambles for a few days.. her immune system has never been as good as mine.
I think if your immune system holds up well to seasonal colds etc you should be OK. I did take tylenol after and every 8 hours for the next day just to make sure no fever set in..
Glad to hear you guys and loved ones are vaccinated! light at the end of the tunnel.
@Marco my doctor told me as I asked I said I was debating about getting the shot , telling her that I had friends that had been having adverse reactions to the shot , we were talking about the 2nd shot was more they were having reactions to, she said it's NOT the Shot - -it's actually your body building the defense building the immunity against the virsus on the 2nd shot. - -She said most of the one's having reactions to it were to people under the age of 55 she just kept saying get the shot.
She said that if people could see when people who get the flu and put on a ventalatir is ONE thing - - -but people with COVID they put you face down on a bed have the ventolatir and not much they an do kind of a hail Merry - - not good
All my grandparents have had both. No issues. One of my good friends who’s 30 got both of his for continuity of government and was sick as a dog for 24 hours after the second dose. He told me at least he knows it worked! The more folks get them ASAP, the better chance we have of having 16,300 screaming fans in AFH for the first exhibition in October!
I am a week out from my 2nd the first was no issue.
@BeddieKU23 I think it's the opposite, most people that have side effects are younger and they say that's due to their immune system reacting to the vaccine. I also read they really don't want you to take meds cause they want your system to react.
@Crimsonorblue22 Absolutely right on why a strong reaction signals a strong immune system.
Related to what you discussed is why many people have a more severe reaction to the second shot: the immune system gets sensitized by the first shot, and as a result is ready to trigger greater reactions to the second.
On the issue of tylenol and other NSAIDs I think the guidance is to not take anything before the shot and up to something like 12 or maybe 24 hrs or so afterwards. (Doctors posting on a 3000+ thread I have followed since last July seem in agreement that the fear of reducing efficacy of the vaccine is minimal after that. Reducing a fever at that point doesn't hinder your immune system's reactions; it just reduces the way your body exhibits those reactions.)
Congrats and Kudos to vaccine recipients! It is simply amazing to me how many people are deadly serious (pun intended) about avoiding the benefits of the astonishing efforts to keep them alive and healthy.
"But I heard the vaccine has killed, like, 50 people in the US!"
"And the virus has killed 10,000 times as many! Did you flunk math???"
Yeah we are young'ish you could say, mid 30's. I rarely get sick/cold and both shots my body seemed to react accordingly. The nurse who did both of my shots recommended Tylenol (since I had to work the next day) after so I took 1 after receiving and 1 the next morning.
My Fiancé however starting reacting about 8 hours later, had about 24 hours of fever/body aches/sick feeling/headache. She had a tension headache for a week after as well. She tends to get sick easier then I do and colds etc seem to hit her harder then me so I wasn't surprised that her body reacted this way. We were both aware that the 2nd shot had a higher chance of this due to the body being triggered by the booster shot as @mayjay said.
Question: What are the guidelines for getting the shot where everyone lives. Here in VT, it started with Health Care, essential health providers (which is how I was eligible as my fiance is a home care provider). After that it switched to age- 75 and up, currently 70 and up & switching to 65 & up starting Monday.
Curious to hear how other states are handling it?
Last week we were told at the facility that a ramp up of available doses was coming and that other groups such as people with underlying health conditions, essential workers etc would be the next phases.
As of yesterday about 17% of the eligible people in the state had received at least 1 dose. Our county showed slightly higher at 18%. Positive movement..
@BeddieKU23 Here in my neck of the woods southeast Kansas med professionals and staff were the first to receive them. They started giving the vaccine to seniors about a month ago. I'm on both the health dept and VA lists, haven't been able to get mine as of yet.
Here in NC, phase 1 was health workers and nursing home residents/staff, phase 2 was older (>65) folks, phase 3 is other frontline workers (grocery store workers, K-12 and higher ed faculty who have to teach in person, etc.), 4 is adults with co-morbidities, 5 is everyone else
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@BeddieKU23 I think it's the opposite, most people that have side effects are younger and they say that's due to their immune system reacting to the vaccine. I also read they really don't want you to take meds cause they want your system to react.
true that is what I was told. - That most people getting reaction to the 2nd dose is under the age of 55 and that actually it's NOT THE SHOT causing the reaction , it's your body building the immunity against the virus
I talked to my neighbor who is a radiologist. It is true what they say about the lung X-rays after you have covid. She says it's awful about the long term effects. So if you're still on the fence about the vaccine. This lady is in her 50's, and was sick for a few days with her 2nd shot, I know, that's helpful. Throws my theory off too! Maybe 60 is the breaking pt.
Another thing I've learned from my friend, histoplasmosis was discovered on a X-ray of a covid patient. A fungal infection. Another friend had just told me about somebody she knew had it from chickens. Mainly from birds.
Q: I have heard you should not take Tylenol before the vaccine as it can cause a less efficient shot. Is this true?
Venditto said this is true and people should not take Tylenol (acetaminophen) or any other type of pain relievers just before getting the vaccine because they affect the immune system.
“If you take them before getting the vaccine, you can limit the immune response and you want to make sure that the vaccine has as best a chance as possible to induce that really strong protective immunity,” he said.
Tylenol or ibuprofen can be taken after the second dose of the vaccine.
“I took Tylenol after my second shot. But it wasn't until about 12 to 18 hours after the vaccine when I was still in some discomfort,” Venditto said.
@Crimsonorblue22 Interesting. Then the avian flu would undoubtedly cause it as well.
So, I haven't been able to get mine yet. But for those who have, what were the effects?
So, I haven't been able to get mine yet. But for those who have, what were the effects?
First round. Arm pain next day. Fiance had arm pain and headache.
2nd round. Nothing for me, not even arm pain. Fiance had 24-36 hours where she couldn't get out of bed, high fever, aches, general feeling of sickness. Went away. She then had a tension headache for a week. Wouldn't worry about all of hers being the norm
@BeddieKU23 sounds good. The VA said I'll be getting mine in about two or three weeks.
My survey of side effects is pretty steady. Let me know where you fall. 25-40 age group have side effects, chills fever aches and some headaches. Usually doesn't start right away, last from 12 -24 hr. 50-60 age group, 6 people I know have been sick, same side effects for more than a day, some 3-4 days! Over 60 hardly anything, my aunt in her late 70's had a headache, never gets a headache. I get my 2nd one next mon.🤬 scared. Most people have taken moderna. A couple in the second group, Pfizer. I'm editing as I hear more. I could add 7 more to the 50 +. A teacher over 50 today told me that 7 teachers at the high school were out the second day after the vaccine.
Here in WA State the vaccine priority goes by a "Phase/Tier" system. First came the health care workers, first responders, and people in long-term care facilities. Next, everyone 65 and older, and adults over 50 who live in multi-generational households. Then it's the over-50 K-12 teachers, workers in public facilities, grocery, etc. More phases/tiers yet to be announced.
Overall statewide in that 65+ group, so far about 45 percent have gotten at least one shot; around 15 percent have had both. In all age groups, just under 15 percent with one dose, about 7 percent with both.
Things are ramping up quickly after temporary shipment delays due to the weather. A lot more public and private sites are up and operating. A few more school districts are also allowing in-person attendance, mostly in the lower grades.
Update - the health dept. called before the VA did (got me in on short notice), had my 1st shot (Moderna) Thursday, sore arm for one day but otherwise fine.
My mom said a lady in her 60's was sick from mon-thurs, went back to work fri, but not feeling great. Get this, just from her FIRST shot. She was 🤮 too. Yuck! Tmrw is my 2nd shot. Nervous. All of our teachers that want the vaccine are vaccinated. I have one friend and her husband that haven't taken it, not ready but won't say why.
Got my 2nd shot Friday. Shoulder was tender for awhile but I managed to play two, bad, rounds of golf. No other issues for me or my wife.
Get my first tomorrow!
I wonder how many people who react strongly to the 1st shot might have had their immune system already "primed" to react by having had the virus without knowing.
Thrilled for everyone getting vaccinated! Probably still a month or two before they start handing them out like free colonoscopies, but eventually they'll get to me.
Mother-in-law (82) got her second shot Friday. Nothing. Yay! Friends, 65 and 82, got second shots last Friday. No probs for the older guy, but his wispy little wife (complainer) had a headache, fever and body aches for a couple days
Sister, 51, got her second shot last Wednesday (works at a retirement community) and she had a head ache that night (could've been a result of happy hour after work) but felt fine by the next day.
We go tomorrow! About 50 miles away. Anything closer would have to wait until April 9.
My brother and SIL (68) got their first Moderna on Friday and reported "easy peasy" with no reactions.
@Crimsonorblue22 Still not eligible yet, but supposedly KU was trying to get teachers and staff ahead of the rest of the general population under 65.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Vaccine:
My mom said a lady in her 60's was sick from mon-thurs, went back to work fri, but not feeling great. Get this, just from her FIRST shot. She was 🤮 too. Yuck! Tmrw is my 2nd shot. Nervous. All of our teachers that want the vaccine are vaccinated. I have one friend and her husband that haven't taken it, not ready but won't say why.
You'll be okay. I know some people who aren't getting it too, a couple even saying, "I don't get the flu shot either." I waisted my breath by trying to explain that the flu doesn't kill 500 some thousand people in our country in one year.
I wonder how many people who react strongly to the 1st shot might have had their immune system already "primed" to react by having had the virus without knowing.
I've thought the same thing, having a more severe reaction due to basically being subjected to Covid three times.
Thrilled for everyone getting vaccinated! Probably still a month or two before they start handing them out like free colonoscopies, but eventually they'll get to me.
Mother-in-law (82) got her second shot Friday. Nothing. Yay! Friends, 65 and 82, got second shots last Friday. No probs for the older guy, but his wispy little wife (complainer) had a headache, fever and body aches for a couple days
Sister, 51, got her second shot last Wednesday (works at a retirement community) and she had a head ache that night (could've been a result of happy hour after work) but felt fine by the next day.
The health dept. gives the vaccine for free, no doctor's visit charge. I put my name in at the doctor's office, health dept. and VA, the health dept. calling first with no charge. Put your name on every list.
@Crimsonorblue22 early 60’s so not all that old but not that young either I am told🤣. I am classified as an essential worker so met the phase 2 guidelines rather than age based.
Which shot, Pfizer or Moderna? It seems with the very low temperature shipping and storage problems that the Pfizer vaccine has pretty well become the no bueno nationwide.
The one good thing coming out of covid is that IDRI will have an RNA vaccine that can sit at room temperature for 8 months+ and able to be refrigerated (not frozen) for over a year and a half.
It won't be ready until 2022, but this is pretty groundbreaking for the future of vaccines, especially for disease in places like Africa and the Middle East.
No problems at first. Got my shot at noon. I woke up at 1:30 am with shoulder/arm pain and from then on I had pretty bad body aches till late this am. My muscles just tightened up, and I just went back and forth, left and right tossing back and forth. Legs just especially bad. Pretty miserable, slight fever. Electric blanket helped. Drinking lots now. I feel like my body was in one huge cramp. Gonna walk the dog, stretch out. Hope it's over!
Hang in there @Crimsonorblue22, we need you!
@Crimsonorblue22 definitely try drinking lots.
Well my father who is 60 and has been fully vaccinated for a month has covid. Has just a head cold right now but wanted to share that even being vaccinated isn't stopping you from getting it or getting moderate symptoms
@Crimsonorblue22 Women Report Worse Side Effects After a Covid Vaccine https://nyti.ms/3v50Z5N ↗
@approxinfinity saw that!
I finally took Tylenol this afternoon, but just so you know, don't take it till you have symptoms. You need your immune system to react. I was thrilled I got it this early. 2 other teachers and I were talking and the youngest one was definitely the sickest. Save your little card, we may need it to fly one day, or who knows what. Thx for the well wishes! ❤️💙🏀
@BeddieKU23 ewwww, which one did he get? At least it kept him from getting very sick. Still need to wear 😷 dang people who don't!
Phizer.
My father works in a veteran's home. He is tested daily, has to wear two masks and a shield and protective gear and still got it. Two veterans have already died of covid. At least a dozen staff members have gotten it in the past yr. However that number has risen this week and he is one of 4 staff this week to get it and unfortunately 3 more veterans. Our local paper just ran an article that stated 40% of the direct staff did not get vaccinated and listening to my father talk about the nurses and care providers that didn't get it would upset anyone that believes in getting vaccinated.
Hmmm
Glad you had mild symptoms it seems.
Fyi got some info from a person at KU Med who said that you should not take aspirin, tylenol, ibuprofen or anything else after getting the shot. More or less saying that you need to allow your body to do what it naturally needs to do...
@BeddieKU23 they didn’t feel
So mild! 🤣 glad I only have a half a day.
Some recent research indicates that taking nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medicines (NSAIDs) may reduce a vaccine’s effectiveness. Because of this possibility, it might be wise to avoid NSAIDs and take acetaminophen (Tylenol) for pain or fever if necessary.
Fortunately, you can do plenty of other things to help yourself feel more comfortable in the face of post-vaccination side effects. Try these self-care approaches at home.
NC is bumping up phase 4 a week so I’m eligible next week!
I'm coming off my first shot last week with no ill effects (sore shoulder aside). I did lay off my meds for a day just in case. 2nd shot comes in late March.
One small surprise...my provider had said I was going to get Moderna, but due to weather-related issues delaying the shipment, I got Pfizer instead.
@nwhawkfan u get it in 3 wks instead of 4. They say women have more side effects than men, aren't we suppose to be the stronger ones? 🤣
@Crimsonorblue22 i think your immune systems are so that’s why the side effects are worse!
@FarmerJayhawk my arm is all red, looks bad. Whiner here.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Vaccine:
my arm is all red....
Well, maybe, it is really crimson...go ahead and paint your other arm blue!
More seriously, you definitely have had a nasty experience. At least you know it was a real vaccine and your immune system is determined to keep you alive!
I'm trying to get my dad vaccinated. He is 88 and completely immobilized but lives in his home through home healthcare. Unfortunately, home healthcare is not vaccinating. I've been trying to get him vaccinated through the VA, but so far, they haven't come up with a solution.
Anyone else out there in a situation like mine?
@drgnslayr my neighbor got his thru the va. He went to wichita.
@drgnslayr I'd ask his Dr. Sedgwick co is really trying to get shots in arms
It has to be a mobile unit that comes to my dad. It takes a crane to move my dad... he can't be moved.
Yep... they have me circling around the airport. Now... hope to hear back on Monday. I guess their offer for a mobile service is only in some areas in the USA.
@drgnslayr keep trying, there are people going out to shut ins.
So far I have tried with the county, local places that give shots, and VA.
@drgnslayr no advice from anyone? Try tweeting the mayor. He's awesome. I follow him and the ast. Councilman. Not sure that's his title. Brandon johnson. I'll look
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@Crimsonorblue22 said in Vaccine:
@drgnslayr no advice from anyone? Try tweeting the mayor. He's awesome. I follow him and the ast. Councilman. Not sure that's his title. Brandon johnson. I'll look
Can confirm Brandon is a good guy. He was in the legislature when I was a staffer.
Kansas is one of the worst in the country in administering the vaccine rollout, only 62%.
Yes, Kansas is close to the worst in making the vaccine available. All our family members who live in other states, Texas, Florida, New York and California have been vaccinated, even though they are 10 and 20 years younger than my wife and I. Very frustrating. My brother in law in Texas is in his 50's and was able to get it because he smokes. Sister in law in Florida in her early 50's was eligible because she has a Cpap. 64 and healthy, so I'm waiting. Kansas just didn't seem to get very many doses in January and February. But, its really starting to open up here too.
@stoptheflop I hope that you and your wife will get it soon.
@stoptheflop put your name in at not only your doctor's office, but also the health dept. I had my name in at both of those places and at the VA, the health dept. calling me first, got my 1st shot a couple Fridays ago - the VA finally called me today, asking if I still needed it. Anyway, that might help you.
Finally eligible as of today and got an appointment for Weds. Hope they don't run out between then and now.
@stoptheflop said in Vaccine:
Yes, Kansas is close to the worst in making the vaccine available. All our family members who live in other states, Texas, Florida, New York and California have been vaccinated, even though they are 10 and 20 years younger than my wife and I. Very frustrating. My brother in law in Texas is in his 50's and was able to get it because he smokes. Sister in law in Florida in her early 50's was eligible because she has a Cpap. 64 and healthy, so I'm waiting. Kansas just didn't seem to get very many doses in January and February. But, its really starting to open up here too.
I know it seems like a long time still, but 2 months from now, vaccines are going to be as readily available as the flu shot. Entirely dependent of course as to which vaccine you want. If you want the Moderna or Pfizer one it could be a little bit but if you don't mind the johnson and Johnson, there is a huge stockpile in maryland with mass manufacturing ongoing. I'm building a facility for emergent biosolutions thats scheduled to be completed in late july. Working 2 shifts, 7 days a week as part of Trumps operation warp speed initiative. Emergent is looking to have a couple billion, yes billion, doses of the j&j vaccine by years end and they are releasing the vaccine as completed.
We're close. We're real close to the medical side being all resolved. We coped for 12 months, but this will soon end. just stay steady friends.
Got mine scheduled for Friday! Have to drive 40ish minutes each way but I'm happy I can get immunity by mid-April.
There are a lot of places that you can get a vaccine no matter what age and or phase you are in. Just depends how hard you are looking. I know the Leavenworth Health department is hosting a mass vac site tomorrow that is first come first serve. There are a ton of places that have wait lists for unused doses. There was a local pharmacy in Leawood that got 5,000 doses that were first come first serve. So if you want to get the shot you can get it.
@Crimsonorblue22 I read that this morning....opening up for phases 3-4. Pretty sure I'm in phase 6 (55, work from home, healthy enough).
I'm kind of curious though about the supposed "absolutely anyone first-come first-served" events. Every place I checked still follows the state-wide phases.
Got my first Moderna shot today. I’m just achy enough to notice it. Get the last one in 4 weeks!
@DanR get your name on every list! Pharmacies, etc. I got called early cause of weather. There's still a lot of people that won't get it. Sorry, but drives me nuts. Saw my Lawrence gkids sun. Good feeling you can unmask with other vaccinated people. Can't understand why people would be so selfish!
@Crimsonorblue22 technically we can unmask with other unvaccinated people but my feeling is we shouldn't because we can still transmit the disease? Until everyone has available vaccine i wont unmask indoors around people i dont live with. Easy for me to say since i will probably be last to get it :)
Patiently (sort of) waited for my turn. Kansas opened up for anyone over 16 (woo-hoo, that's me), and I got online early in the morning and nabbed a spot for my first jab of the vaccine I can't spell that starts with some combination of PFHZR on April 1 at a CVS four blocks from my house, no joke.
All I'm saying is, there are a couple brew pubs and one particular Mexican restaurant in Lawrence that are going to get their sugar daddy back pretty soon.
I believe in mandatory vacations for everyone.
@wissox Well, vaccinations do take the "cin" out of vacations! If that's a good thing.
@Crimsonorblue22 One of several new places we're going to try! Didn't want my first impression of the new restaurants to be from take-out. (We've done quite a bit of takeout) I'm just so tired of my own food... and dishes.
I believe in mandatory vacations for everyone.
Too early for this I think. Not approved for use in kids and we still don’t know the long term effects of the mRNA tech. I clearly think it’s the smart thing to do! But I’m not for mandating anything yet. Persuasion might be more effective anyhow.
@FarmerJayhawk We'll put you down as "anti-vacation" then.
@FarmerJayhawk you can get them laminated free at staples and ? I forgot. Don't post them, everybody!
@Crimsonorblue22 Office Depot I think? I’m getting mine framed after I get the second shot 😂
@FarmerJayhawk don't forget to report side effects.
Is spelling a side effect? I need to know before I go out in pubic.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Vaccine:
@FarmerJayhawk don't forget to report side effects.
Will do! I’m anticipating it’s not gonna be fun
I sometimes carry a bag of dog poop around in my sweatshirt pocket for a couple miles on a morning walk with my dog, so I'm not sure if I will be the right person to report side effects from anything
@Crimsonorblue22 for a minute I thought you were asking if the bag was half full, like if he was an optimist.
@approxinfinity I thought she was asking if he had any wool!
I'm guess it's time for their report.💩🕵️♀️
Forgot to report back! Got Moderna #2 last Friday. Saturday felt like I got hit by a bus. Woke up in the middle of the night with chills, was pretty achy and ran a 101 fever Saturday. But! Was totally fine and resumed my regular running schedule Sunday.
@FarmerJayhawk Well that's something to look forward to in a couple weeks.
@FarmerJayhawk exactly like mine. My fever wasn't that high.
I got my 2nd moderna shot three weeks ago. Was a little tired for a few days, otherwise fine.
Got my 2nd shot on Friday and feel perfectly fine. Other than, and this is weird, my arm pit hurts. I looked it up and apparently it’s pretty common to have swollen lymph nodes as a side effect. Just thought I’d share.
@rockchalkwyo they tell women not to get mammograms for awhile because of that. Such a wide variety of side effects. Glad you didn't have the chills, fever and aches!
My "friend" that has totally different views on everything than me, decided not to get the vaccine. She's in the gma age zone. This past mon she got sick, fever, chills aches, vomiting, constant fatigue. Tested positive. Her husband neg. although he tested at the same time. They had been at her daughters, family of 5, 3 lil kids. She had gone to church sun, no mask, went to an unmarried pg group at church, unmasked, sun. Told me she hugged one gal. Makes me furious! Prolife huh? I say selfish and stupid! They all had to get tested. Haven't heard about that. She hated to tell me. I couldn't live with myself if I gave it to somebody. I'm done griping.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Vaccine:
I’m done griping.
I will happily continue griping loud and long for you about such dolts!
@Crimsonorblue22 It has been nice realizing I have distanced myself from most of the nitwits I used to come across daily. Moving gives you a chance to select a new group of friends!
@Crimsonorblue22 It has been nice realizing I have distanced myself from most of the nitwits I used to come across daily. Moving gives you a chance to select a new group of friends!
Not only avoiding nitwits. Moving can often give you an entirely new life perspective.
@rockchalkwyo I didnt feel bad until 24 hours later.
@Crimsonorblue22 Its unbelievable. When I think about this it reminds me of the people who planned a Hurricane Camille party in a seaside house and got swept away.
Got my second Pfizer shot last Thursday morning at CVS. No side effects at all. Now this pollen on the other hand...
My forehead temperature was 94.6 when I checked in at CVS. The volunteer gal giggled and said, "if that's your liver temp, you've been dead for about 6 hours."
And we all had a good hard laugh while I checked for my pulse.
I've had my second vaccination shot now and happy to report no aperent siide efveks.
@drgnslayr nothing strong coffee can't fix.
@drgnslayr said in Vaccine:
I've had my second vaccination shot now and happy to report no aperent siide efveks.
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Got my second Moderna shot yesterday at 11:30. by bedtime it kicked my ass. Been sleeping all day today.
Have my second on Saturday. :(
Soon you both will be able to go outside without masks. Of course, 99% of Americans have done so all along when not in crowds, but now you don’t have to worry about pissing off some rabid antimasker or some proselytizing masker!
Soon you both will be able to go outside without masks. Of course, 99% of Americans have done so all along when not in crowds, but now you don’t have to worry about pissing off some rabid antimasker or some proselytizing masker!
Ohhh man. I still get “eat shit and die” looks from people when going outside without one. There are definitely folks out there who treat it as more performative than anything. At some point I’m going to stop my run, whip out my card, and yell “I CANT GIVE YOU COVID IM VACCINATED AND WERE VERY FAR APART RIGHT NOW”
The anti-mask people are just as annoying, but this is my experience in a very wealthy, very covid-cautious place.
@FarmerJayhawk I save my looks for people refusing to wear masks indoors at places that post signs at the entrance. They come in with an "I dare you!" look, and I just gaze on in wide-eyed puzzlement at the refusal to just get along with people.
If someone isnt doing it, there might be a dollar to be made on snappy t-shirts to announce your vaccination status, as a more practical means of virtue signaling than wearing a mask.
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As in just about every part of life in America now... it's the extremists on both sides making life miserable for those in the middle. Why don't we make an "extremist law" and say anyone fitting in this specific group must pay massive fines. (joke, but not really) I'm so sick of conspiracy theories and nutty ideas from the fringes.
If you don't want to vaccine, well,,, I do not need nor want for you to be around me. Plain and simple. Vaccine up! Be a troll if you would like. But if you choose to be one, be it by yourself.