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@FarmerJayhawk Just posted that myself

Might know what's coming for KU & the NCAA. - -like they said makes you go hmmm, thinking probably his next job would be a head Coach's spot. - Been with Self for a long time.

Time to bring Danny back as a Coach now with the opening

I really hope we don't bring back Danny. He is not good.

@BShark said in Coach Howard:

I really hope we don't bring back Danny. He is not good.

Very good position coach, not a great recruiter.

Cc: Aaron Miles sup

@FarmerJayhawk Yeah that's what I care about. Do we think Miles can recruit?

He can go pound all the sand in the desert. And that's being nice

@BShark zero doubt. Flashback to the Roy years plundering the west coast

@BShark said in Coach Howard:

I really hope we don't bring back Danny. He is not good.

your 100 % wrong. - -He was one of the best at developing big men when he was here before. No one has come close ever since

@FarmerJayhawk said in Coach Howard:

@BShark said in Coach Howard:

I really hope we don't bring back Danny. He is not good.

Very good position coach, not a great recruiter.

agree with you 100% really good positional Coach wouldn't want him for anything else. - - But positional - - -yes please

Who's going to replace Snacks then?

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Coach Howard:

Who's going to replace Snacks then?

Jeremy Case until TBD

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@BShark I've long thought Townsend could end up being the fall guy for Kansas because of the Zion conversations and his name is attached to all 3 players tied to the Adidas case I believe.

What about looking at the D2 ranks and bringing Ballard back because we know the man can coach with how he's made Washburn a D2 power.

Jeremy case will fill in the duties left by Howard Bill self is not in a hurry to feel the Position

@jayballer67

Yes - this must have something to do with the impending sanctions?

So he goes for being an assistant coach under a hall of famer at one of the best programs in history to being an assistant coach at Texas?

Huh ...

@Bosthawk He is being paid more, Self didn't want to match it. There will be another assistant leaving coughKTcough, but not until the iarp decision.

This will end up being a very nice shake-up with the staff.

Any chance that Hudy would ever return?

Also agree with @BShark that injecting some fresh blood into the coaching staff is probably good.

Not sure of Howard's motivation, but this could be a consequence of Self getting a lifetime contract. Anyone on the staff may conclude that there is no upward mobility until Self retires. Candidates looking to join the staff will have to come to terms with this new wrinkle.

The lifetime contract giveth in recruiting athletes, and taketh away in recruiting coaches.

@bskeet said in Coach Howard:

Any chance that Hudy would ever return?

It sounds like she is not going to be retained at Texas

@JAYHAWKFAN214 A lot of personal issues. We upgraded with Ramsey.

@BShark they’ll be able to use letting KT go as a bargaining chip for penalties I think

@Fightsongwriter said in Coach Howard:

@JAYHAWKFAN214 A lot of personal issues. We upgraded with Ramsey.

It was at minimum a horizontal shift. He just needs a full normal offseason for his influence to the program to be shown.

@Fightsongwriter said in Coach Howard:

@JAYHAWKFAN214 A lot of personal issues. We upgraded with Ramsey.

Strongly agree, he is great at his job.

@Kcmatt7 said in Coach Howard:

@BShark they’ll be able to use letting KT go as a bargaining chip for penalties I think

This is definitely the move.

@bskeet said in Coach Howard:

Any chance that Hudy would ever return?

Zero chance. She left because the S&C program became part of KU Health System and pretty much took away her ability to do her own health clinics and stuff like that.

I cannot see how the contract for Self would discourage anyone from wanting to come work under him. This could only be true if they hoped Self was likely to move to the NBA (less likely every year) or if they might hope he will get fired (not a possibility for poor performance; only remotely theoretical for the Adidas crap).

The contract is symbolic only. He can still be fired, the only question being the cost of doing so.

As to Howard leaving, I would guess that Beard wants a proven recruiter to help him retain good players and get new ones. The opportunity to get in on the ground floor of potentially rebuilding Texas to national prominence again could enhance Howard's reputation far more than his role at KU. He already has done what he could here.

@rockchalkwyo

Thought we saw his impact with Doke in his first offseason here. Excited to see what he can do with Dave/Dajuan/Bryce this summer especially

Not sure how many people in here will accept this.... but if I had control over this basketball team I would pay whatever it takes to hire John Lucas II as an assistant coach. I have been proclaiming his skills as a player developer for a decade or so. Evidently the Houston Rockets heard me because that is his current job title with Houston.

Let this be the shift... away from fast talking recruiters to actual developers of players. This is such a no-brainer it isn't funny.

John had two sons that played in the Big 12... OSU and UT. He knows the Big 12.

With Lucas on board we will always have a list of the right kind of talent to come to Kansas... and stay. We won't need the top tier recruit to dazzle us with only athleticism. This nightmare should end. No more shoecos buying recruits to Kansas. No more plans to have undeveloped hype controlling our recruiting. No more teams coming up short because they aren't coached up.

Okay... I'm done preaching... lol

@jayballer67 said in Coach Howard:

@BShark said in Coach Howard:

I really hope we don't bring back Danny. He is not good.

your 100 % wrong. - -He was one of the best at developing big men when he was here before. No one has come close ever since

What they are saying @jayballer67 is, "yeah, he did good things with our bigs" but Danny didn't and can't recruit. He didn't put in the necessary time and work. Howard went to Texas. Why? Because it'll be easy, basically recruiting in state. An easy and lucrative out for him.

@Marco said in Coach Howard:

@jayballer67 said in Coach Howard:

@BShark said in Coach Howard:

I really hope we don't bring back Danny. He is not good.

your 100 % wrong. - -He was one of the best at developing big men when he was here before. No one has come close ever since

What they are saying @jayballer67 is, "yeah, he did good things with our bigs" but he didn't and can't recruit. He didn't put in the necessary time and work. Howard went to Texas. Why? Because it'll be easy, basically recruiting in state. An easy and lucrative out for him.

wasn't talking Howard here - -we were talking about bringing Danny Manning back to Coach the bigs

@jayballer67 I know

@Marco said in Coach Howard:

@jayballer67 I know

ummm Danny had no problem recruiting

@jayballer67 said in Coach Howard:

@Marco said in Coach Howard:

@jayballer67 I know

ummm Danny had no problem recruiting

Are you sure?

@Marco said in Coach Howard:

@jayballer67 said in Coach Howard:

@Marco said in Coach Howard:

@jayballer67 I know

ummm Danny had no problem recruiting

Are you sure?

ya but you can believe what ya want

@Marco said in Coach Howard:

@jayballer67 said in Coach Howard:

@BShark said in Coach Howard:

I really hope we don't bring back Danny. He is not good.

your 100 % wrong. - -He was one of the best at developing big men when he was here before. No one has come close ever since

What they are saying @jayballer67 is, "yeah, he did good things with our bigs" but Danny didn't and can't recruit. He didn't put in the necessary time and work. Howard went to Texas. Why? Because it'll be easy, basically recruiting in state. An easy and lucrative out for him.

This is correct. If he could be brought back in a strictly coaching role while we still have 3 guys that recruit he would be fine to add... Danny hating recruiting is well known.

@jayballer67 said in Coach Howard:

@Marco said in Coach Howard:

@jayballer67 said in Coach Howard:

@Marco said in Coach Howard:

@jayballer67 I know

ummm Danny had no problem recruiting

Are you sure?

ya but you can believe what ya want

Danny was never a big time recruiter. He was brought in to be a player development coach after Jankovoch left for Illinois St. Dooley and Townsend were the ones landing the top talent at the time.

With Howard leaving and possibly Townsend having to leave, that's KU's two beat recruiters possibly leaving this season so KU needs to replace Howard with a top end recruiter.

I’m curious as to why he is leaving KU and going to UT, basically a lateral move at a division rival who is Football school.

Could this be a situation where Self is trying to clean house and bring new coaches in the program.

@AsadZ I already gave an opinion on this, but it might simply be that he thinks it would be cool to work with Beard and is looking forward to recruiting kids to the $300 million facility.

I'll also add about Howard that I believe he was very underwhelming as a recruiter which he was supposed to be one of his elite traits.

In his 8 years here, Howard only landed two 5 star players and neither one came close to the hype of their rankings. Cliff Alexander ended up being a disaster for Kansas off the court and Grimes never coming close to looking like a top 10 player in his year here.

Other than those two, McCormack is the only other top 50 recruit Howard landed for Kansas. His best overall player has to be Marcus Garrett. In 8 years, he didn't bring in very much talent and never really was able to keep the Chicago pipeline open that's been really good to KU under Bill Self.

I honestly don't see losing Howard as that big of a hit. KT historically is a lot better at landing the top end talent and Norm has been much more successful at finding the diamonds in the rough.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I thought Dotson acknowledged Howard as a big influence. Not sure. I do have Oldtimer's disease....

Would love to see someone with west coast connections come aboard....Aaron Miles?

Howard recruits better then Townsend..

@BeddieKU23 said in Coach Howard:

Howard recruits better then Townsend..

I'm gonna very strongly disagree with that one.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Coach Howard:

@BeddieKU23 said in Coach Howard:

Howard recruits better then Townsend..

I'm gonna very strongly disagree with that one.

Joking

Serious question: As a recruiter what are you selling a kid?

A rather simplistic question, I know, but are you selling the program, playing time, national TV exposure, all of the above? Or are you selling to the parents? How much weight is placed on being straight with people and how much is telling them what they want to hear? Does each team have a pre-determined philosophy about how to approach recruiting or do teams let individuals flex their independence when talking to kids?

Would love to hear from someone in the know.

@tis4tim said in Coach Howard:

Serious question: As a recruiter what are you selling a kid?

A rather simplistic question, I know, but are you selling the program, playing time, national TV exposure, all of the above? Or are you selling to the parents? How much weight is placed on being straight with people and how much is telling them what they want to hear? Does each team have a pre-determined philosophy about how to approach recruiting or do teams let individuals flex their independence when talking to kids?

Would love to hear from someone in the know.

Most likely playing time and all of the above

@tis4tim said in Coach Howard:

Serious question: As a recruiter what are you selling a kid?

A rather simplistic question, I know, but are you selling the program, playing time, national TV exposure, all of the above? Or are you selling to the parents? How much weight is placed on being straight with people and how much is telling them what they want to hear? Does each team have a pre-determined philosophy about how to approach recruiting or do teams let individuals flex their independence when talking to kids?

Would love to hear from someone in the know.

If a kid has pro potential, most of the selling to both the player and parents/guardians is going to be how their program can help develop a kid and get them to the next level. If a kid doesn't have a pro future, then most of the selling will be on academics of the school such as support staff to help the kid graduate, help the kid get into some type of career post college.

When selling the kid, the along with the above stuff, a coach is going to sell the overall college experience at their school. For KU, that's going to include McCarthy, playing in AFH, Mass St., and other stuff like that.

@JAYHAWKFAN214 @Texas-Hawk-10

Thanks for your responses. I guess I never really thought about what makes a great recruiter until now.

To be able to relate to so many different kids from so many different backgrounds and ultimately to make them feel at ease in a short amount of time is indeed a valuable skillset.

To have the ability to stand out from the crowd and make a lasting impression when a kid is talking to so many suitors is dang near priceless.

@mayjay said in Coach Howard:

@AsadZ I already gave an opinion on this, but it might simply be that he thinks it would be cool to work with Beard and is looking forward to recruiting kids to the $300 million facility.

Not to mention basically only having to recruit in one state. If you can recruit in Texas, well,,, you win....

@Marco said in Coach Howard:

@mayjay said in Coach Howard:

@AsadZ I already gave an opinion on this, but it might simply be that he thinks it would be cool to work with Beard and is looking forward to recruiting kids to the $300 million facility.

Not to mention basically only having to recruit in one state. If you can recruit in Texas, well,,, you win....

Basketball recruiting in Texas is not even remotely the same quality of depth as football recruiting is. There's just simply not enough high level talent to sustain multiple P5 programs.

Do folks think that this started strictly as Howard's choice or is this something Self would have desired and gave some messages prompting Howard to make the move.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Coach Howard:

@Marco said in Coach Howard:

@mayjay said in Coach Howard:

@AsadZ I already gave an opinion on this, but it might simply be that he thinks it would be cool to work with Beard and is looking forward to recruiting kids to the $300 million facility.

Not to mention basically only having to recruit in one state. If you can recruit in Texas, well,,, you win....
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Basketball recruiting in Texas is not even remotely the same quality of depth as football recruiting is. There's just simply not enough high level talent to sustain multiple P5 programs.

I didn't say that it competed with football, but there is talent there.

@Marco said in Coach Howard:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Coach Howard:

@Marco said in Coach Howard:

@mayjay said in Coach Howard:

@AsadZ I already gave an opinion on this, but it might simply be that he thinks it would be cool to work with Beard and is looking forward to recruiting kids to the $300 million facility.

Not to mention basically only having to recruit in one state. If you can recruit in Texas, well,,, you win....
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Basketball recruiting in Texas is not even remotely the same quality of depth as football recruiting is. There's just simply not enough high level talent to sustain multiple P5 programs.

I didn't say that it competed with football, but there is talent there.

I never said they competed either, I said Texas doesn't have much quality of depth. Texas might be a huge state, but the HS basketball scene here isn't very good. 5 top 50 Texas kids in 2021 (and this includes Zach Clemence who doesn't actually go to school in Texas) is a spike from the normal 1 or 2 Texas kids in the top 50.

2020 only had 4 top 100 kids from Texas which is pretty normal. So unless Texas landed every top player in state (never going to happen), the state of Texas does not produce enough basketball talent to sustain 1, let alone 4 power B12 programs and the AAC teams in state.

@AsadZ I believe the split was mutual BS mentioned several times the coaching staff has to be better, not just the players

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@FarmerJayhawk wow! Yes please

I would welcome this, if true.

Fun fact. Oppenheimer was actually predicting Joe Dooley with his famous quote, 'Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds'.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Coach Howard:

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I would accept that - - no problem

@tis4tim said in Coach Howard:

Serious question: As a recruiter what are you selling a kid?
A rather simplistic question, I know, but are you selling the program, playing time, national TV exposure, all of the above? Or are you selling to the parents? How much weight is placed on being straight with people and how much is telling them what they want to hear? Does each team have a pre-determined philosophy about how to approach recruiting or do teams let individuals flex their independence when talking to kids?
Would love to hear from someone in the know.

I think to be a good recruiter you need to be more ears than mouth. Listen to the player and his family. Some are focused on making sure their son is in a family-like environment that is wholesome and the player's family is kept totally in the loop, or even becoming part of the loop. We've even seen player's move family to Lawrence.

For others it is all about what situation will best get the player into the league... sometimes... it's about HOW FAST can the player get to the league! For others... who will be develop the player most while in college.. then they look at strength coaching, player development, etc.

Some put the most focus on PT. Some on how well they will play with the team being assembled. Some know another player or two and are attracted to have a friend with them. Some decide for a team or coach who has shown the most interest as they developed until now. Some... chances of a NC?!

There are other reasons, too. Too many to list. So a recruiting policy shouldn't be set in stone and only taking one approach.

@FarmerJayhawk This will be good for KU although I was hoping that he would continue to move up the chain as HC.

@drgnslayr said in Coach Howard:

I think to be a good recruiter you need to be more ears than mouth. Listen to the player and his family. Some are focused on making sure their son is in a family-like environment that is wholesome and the player’s family is kept totally in the loop, or even becoming part of the loop. We’ve even seen player’s move family to Lawrence.
For others it is all about what situation will best get the player into the league… sometimes… it’s about HOW FAST can the player get to the league! For others… who will be develop the player most while in college… then they look at strength coaching, player development, etc.
Some put the most focus on PT. Some on how well they will play with the team being assembled. Some know another player or two and are attracted to have a friend with them. Some decide for a team or coach who has shown the most interest as they developed until now. Some… chances of a NC?!
There are other reasons, too. Too many to list. So a recruiting policy shouldn’t be set in stone and only taking one approach.

Thanks for the great explanation, @drgnslayr. With the vast number of combinations and permutations of things that have to align between team needs and player needs it’s no wonder some coaches don’t like the recruiting grind. Too many variables.

Joe Dooley will remain at East Carolina

What if Bill just permanently promotes Jeremy Case. Thoughts?

If Bill thinks he’s the best for the job, hard to disagree.

@FarmerJayhawk He is young, has experience before taking the other role at KU. Would imagine he understands how recruiting works.

@BShark my other thought today was why not Wayne Simien? Has been around the program forever, an extremely charismatic dude, and bleeds crimson and blue. It may be the case he feels called to be chaplain and has no desire to coach, but I’d at least ask if he wanted to interview.

@FarmerJayhawk I'm guessing he doesn't want to be away from his family so much.

@Crimsonorblue22 great point. Wayne is certainly a dedicated family man.

Definitely very religious as mentioned. He might not have a taste for recruiting either, but I have no idea. All around great guy to have around the program.

@FarmerJayhawk Wayne has no desire at all to coach.

Danny Manning is now an assistant coach at Maryland. Had to imagine Self knew that Danny was looking for a spot, and likely passed.

@BShark said in Coach Howard:

Danny Manning is now an assistant coach at Maryland. Had to imagine Self knew that Danny was looking for a spot, and likely passed.

Still think Danny would of been good for us here

@BShark Big Yikes if when Danny is available we are promoting Jeremy Case... Says more about Danny for sure.

Danny really doesn't like to recruit. Hard to afford that with one of the 3 major ast positions.

@Kcmatt7 Speaking of Case. I just recently learned that his dad was a teammate of Self at OSU.

@BigBad said in Coach Howard:

@Kcmatt7 Speaking of Case. I just recently learned that his dad was a teammate of Self at OSU.

His dad is still in coaching as well. Case has been coaching basically since he graduate from KU.

I think it's a tough time to be bringing on staff... with the NCAA hit squad looming.

I've heard several people comment about why Danny isn't coming back. Even if things were peachy here, I don't know many people that want to go backwards in their careers to a previous spot. And though he might be back to being an assistant again... it's in a different world and it isn't the same thing.

I question if we have embraced the realism of emphasizing player development by bringing in someone with that expertise. Think we will be sticking with the same old strategy of just trying to recruit our way to NCs.

How many examples do we need to see before we flip to player development? Look at many of the top coaches today... they embrace player development. Wright, Few, Bennett... I'm thinking in a few more years I may be adding Drew to this list. It seems like college basketball is forming a big split in approaches.... the recruiting side is Self, Calipari, K. I think Izzo is somewhere in the middle.

@BShark
Upside for me is my daughter is a freshman at Maryland and is seriously into Maryland basketball, (KU was her second choice :( ... so I would expect Manning to make that program much better, and help them with coaching the bigs and recruiting because of his skill set and pedigree. Should be fun to follow the terps in next few years...

@Bosthawk said in Coach Howard:

@BShark
Upside for me is my daughter is a freshman at Maryland and is seriously into Maryland basketball, (KU was her second choice :( ... so I would expect Manning to make that program much better, and help them with coaching the bigs and recruiting because of his skill set and pedigree. Should be fun to follow the terps in next few years...

His biggest issue is he doesn't like recruiting but there is no doubt he is an excellent post player coach. One just has to look at the development of post players in his time at KU and WF.

Some talk KU is looking at one of Illinois Assistant coaches. Ron Coleman

@BeddieKU23 said in Coach Howard:

Some talk KU is looking at one of Illinois Assistant coaches. Ron Coleman

This also talk that he could be joining the staff at Kentucky

@BeddieKU23 said in Coach Howard:

Some talk KU is looking at one of Illinois Assistant coaches. Ron Coleman

Calipari has him in the bag. Slater bombed.

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Things are heating up hot damn. Antigua of course is one of the best acquirers of talent around.

@BigBad... Win Case you didn't know that...

@BShark said in Coach Howard:

@BeddieKU23 said in Coach Howard:

Some talk KU is looking at one of Illinois Assistant coaches. Ron Coleman

Calipari has him in the bag. Slater bombed.

Yep, happened.

@BeddieKU23 said in Coach Howard:

@BShark said in Coach Howard:

@BeddieKU23 said in Coach Howard:

Some talk KU is looking at one of Illinois Assistant coaches. Ron Coleman

Calipari has him in the bag. Slater bombed.

Yep, happened.

Has who in the bag ? - -what ?

@jayballer67

The assistant went to Kentucky

@BeddieKU23 said in Coach Howard:

@jayballer67

The assistant went to Kentucky

Cal tryin anything worried about the ship sinking again next year

Would not fully rule out Joe Dooley just yet.

@BShark said in Coach Howard:

Would not fully rule out Joe Dooley just yet.

How so

Jeremy has been a clear upgrade from Snacks.

@BShark said in Coach Howard:

Jeremy has been a clear upgrade from Snacks.

I have to say, I was skeptical. But this isn't Bill's first rodeo.

@Kcmatt7 said in Coach Howard:

@BShark said in Coach Howard:

Jeremy has been a clear upgrade from Snacks.

I have to say, I was skeptical. But this isn't Bill's first rodeo.

Honestly, he might end up being our next HC. Right now he is young enough to relate to players but a much better coach than Snacks. And obviously he has been around the program a lot so he knows what Self wants and has learned a lot from him.

Obv some bad blood going on with Snacks/Self. The Texas game was telling. Bill is loyal so whatever he did must have been significant. Going to an interconference team as well is shadey

@BeddieKU23 said in Coach Howard:

Obv some bad blood going on with Snacks/Self. The Texas game was telling. Bill is loyal so whatever he did must have been significant. Going to an interconference team as well is shadey

Kept all the good weed for himself?

I think Jeremy has a huge future in basketball, wherever he goes!

Snacks is no longer with Texas.. what a fall from the top

@BeddieKU23 well?

@BeddieKU23 said in Coach Howard:

Snacks is no longer with Texas.. what a fall from the top

Going to become an agent probably. Related to the investigation.

@BeddieKU23 said in Coach Howard:

Snacks is no longer with Texas.. what a fall from the top

he has totally wiped everything about Texas from his account it said.- Something happened that's for sure, maybe got himself in more trouble. It Said Beard had just completed his staff lol. Now short 1 again ahh shucks. Gonna be interesting to see where he ends up. Really Good recruitter just think he has a lot more on his plate

Very odd story

Didn't it say he sit when Self and KT did? Then he got cut.

@BShark fbi?

Rumor from a buddy is L.O.L.

Another rumor, he didn't keep it quiet about the domestic abuse charge with the new recruit. Can one guy do that?