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Dave starts, right? The Lightfoot experiment is now resolved. Yes, Mitch deserved to start. But, Dave showed he is the man, at least for the Ok St game. Now, how may we get Dave, Ochai, Christian and Remy to all score in the same game?

I thought I heard the lineup was the same

Also their covid players were cleared

Oops! Fran reporting
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Crap. Just realized the Chiefs and Jayhawks play at the same time.

It may be good for the team and for Dave for Mitch to start. Takes pressure of Dave at the outset and provides 4-5 minutes without worrying about quick fouls. He may be able to come in more focused and relaxed off the bench....

@rockchalkjayhawk I'll be streaming one and watching one on the big screen and yelling at both, no doubt!

Jalen Wilson breakout game

@MNJayhawk said in Red Raiders:

@rockchalkjayhawk I'll be streaming one and watching one on the big screen and yelling at both, no doubt!

I’m still debating which one gets the big screen

Mitch will be starting again is what I saw.

@Kcmatt7 said in Red Raiders:

@MNJayhawk said in Red Raiders:

@rockchalkjayhawk I'll be streaming one and watching one on the big screen and yelling at both, no doubt!

I’m still debating which one gets the big screen

KU always. Broncos might just not give a single fuck today tbh

@BShark said in Red Raiders:

@Kcmatt7 said in Red Raiders:

@MNJayhawk said in Red Raiders:

@rockchalkjayhawk I'll be streaming one and watching one on the big screen and yelling at both, no doubt!

I’m still debating which one gets the big screen

KU always. Broncos might just not give a single fuck today tbh

The offense hasn't cared all year. Why would they start today?

KU always takes priority

I will say it is interesting that KU is only favored by 4 and a half while Tech is without their two best players. Anyone got Kenpom premium to see what the line is there? Like these things have to be factoring this in right?

No but I have kirkismyhinrich premium and I'd say we should be about a 7 or 8 point favorite today

Make this the game chat?

@wissox said in Red Raiders:

Make this the game chat?

We good.

Great we get Fran and a Cubs broadcaster?

@BShark said in Red Raiders:

I will say it is interesting that KU is only favored by 4 and a half while Tech is without their two best players. Anyone got Kenpom premium to see what the line is there? Like these things have to be factoring this in right?

I think they are getting Shannon back today aren't they ?

@BShark said in Red Raiders:

I will say it is interesting that KU is only favored by 4 and a half while Tech is without their two best players. Anyone got Kenpom premium to see what the line is there? Like these things have to be factoring this in right?

I heard Gary Parrish say it was KU -1. I thought it would be closer to 7 without those two so I agree it is interesting. It has since moved to 5.5 though.

ESPN has KU favored by 7. Oh its on baby.

@Woodrow Yeah -1 would make sense with a healthy Tech.

Road games in college are hard and Tech is decent. No line really offends me tbh

@KirkIsMyHinrich People definitely underestimate road games. Duke doesn't even play real road games ooc.

Fricking refs in Depaul villanova wont stop clock for depaul guy to put his shoe on. Coach has to burn his 3rd timeout with 15 minutes left.

JWill starting over Remy. Pain.

@BShark Wait what? Is Remy even playing today?

@KirkIsMyHinrich He should still play. Still feeling the knee, probably shouldn't have played against Okie.

Okay. Alright I'm going to go make an animal sacrifice before the game starts then. brb

@KirkIsMyHinrich Save some leftovers!

Jalen starting will help with rebounding. BShark says "we good."

Jalen for 20 ppg today. book it

Let's go #Jayhawks

RCJH

GO KU❤💙

OK, just put new batteries in my remote. Ready for the Jayhawks & Chiefs ! (Carpal tunnel notwithstanding.)

Gotta make that Braun

Blue suede shoes!!

Wilson obviously fouled. Come on

Wilson just about doubled his 3 point % overall.

Two fouls on #44 thankfully

The way Self's O runs around the horn you cannot make slow passes!

Really good catch and finish from Wilson. That pass was questionable

@stoptheflop But the tradeoff will be turnovers. We take much better care of the ball with two true guards...

Tech is going to get every call today. We just have to play through it

That was a questionable charge... Thought he was moving

Turnovers and rebounding are the issues so far.

Got to be better at getting ball in and up court faster..it's slowing us down.

So, KU inept passing continues.

@stoptheflop True dat!

Braun needs to get his head in the game. Missed an easy lay-up, made a bad pass, and just got called for a charge. Charge might have been a bad call, but still.

@stoptheflop what do we expect we got the weakest pg in the big 12 starting and one of the best on the bench

Self has done nothing to encourage Remy to be a 3 headed monster with our wings all averaging 15 again and cough cough open things up inside for Dave even more

Janet Reno coaching TTech?

@stoptheflop said in Red Raiders:

So, KU inept passing continues.

Think they are in the “play fast” “don’t let the ball stick” phase of the year where self pushes them to make quick decisions and they haven’t caught up yet. Och has always been a bad passer but I think as team KU will figure it out in the next 3-4 games.

Och

Missed a travel on that post from tech.

Dave got about 6 inches off the floor on that block attempt.

@benshawks08 but called ours 🤦‍♀️

Soft travel there

@benshawks08 glad I'mnot the only one who noticed lol

In the time it takes for Dave to jump twice, I think Wiggins could jump about 6 or 7 times.

Finish Dave jesus

I do agree that if Remy was good to go he should have started

@KirkIsMyHinrich "jump" goes in quotes when we're talking about Dave

Another weak effort from a foot away from Dave - has to finish that...

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Red Raiders:

Finish Dave jesus

Och has to make that wide open three when he gets it from Dave as well.

@KirkIsMyHinrich That is his epitath.

@Kcmatt7 said in Red Raiders:

I do agree that if Remy was good to go he should have started

Yeah, not so sure he should be in.

SMDH jalen

Not a good shot.

Triple teamed and didn't kick it out. Come on Dave

DAVE HOLY HELL

New scout on KU. Leave Wilson open and he will shoot 8 threes and make 1. Leave Dave open down low and he will back down nobody and miss a fadeaway.

Are fran and the cubs announcer phoning this in or are they in the building?

"Let me wait until I'm guarded and then take a shot triple teamed"

Wish we had Pettiford but let’s be honest he wouldn’t play more than 10 mpg versus weak handles Harris

Let Clemence and JCL and Joe get some run Bill neither team can score

Oh forgot Joe has no confidence wonder why that is guys

mercy our defense

@benshawks08 said in Red Raiders:

New scout on KU. Leave Wilson open and he will shoot 8 threes and make 1. Leave Dave open down low and he will back down nobody and miss a fadeaway.

Not even new, ha!

@BShark said in Red Raiders:

@benshawks08 said in Red Raiders:

New scout on KU. Leave Wilson open and he will shoot 8 threes and make 1. Leave Dave open down low and he will back down nobody and miss a fadeaway.

Not even new, ha!

Fair.

KSUcks lost🙌

@RockChalkinTexas said in Red Raiders:

KSUcks lost🙌

So did Texas

Frans there

@benshawks 8% from 3 land. how?

@kuballin10 said in Red Raiders:

Wish we had Pettiford but let’s be honest he wouldn’t play more than 10 mpg versus weak handles Harris

Let Clemence and JCL and Joe get some run Bill neither team can score

Oh forgot Joe has no confidence wonder why that is guys

this pace right now is to fast for JCL he would be a turnover a minutes loose ball handling

@KirkIsMyHinrich I wondered about UT😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Zabudda said in Red Raiders:

@benshawks 8% from 3 land. how?

Shoot a lot. Make very few.

Texas only scored 51 on OSU today. Makes me feel better about the 74 we had. Actually kind of incredible that we had 74 with that 0-20 stretch.

Braun one shot; no points. Might as well have stayed on the bus

@benshawks08 :angry_face_with_horns:

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Red Raiders:

Texas only scored 51 on OSU today. Makes me feel better about the 74 we had. Actually kind of incredible that we had 74 with that 0-20 stretch.

Second half “regressed” to the mean on that one.

@jayballer67 based on what? Leading isu in scoring? We not turning it over already so we must be knocking down shots right?

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Red Raiders:

Texas only scored 51 on OSU today. Makes me feel better about the 74 we had. Actually kind of incredible that we had 74 with that 0-20 stretch.

That was a very low possession game between OSU and Texas.

Braun wyd?

More of that Braun!

need any justification on our defense ? - - How many perimeter shots has tech made ? - -all 2-3 footers

LOL, the Skyrizi commercial they just showed, the one with the woman in the bright blue dress, I saw being filmed last spring near downtown Chicago. I was heading to take care of some business, came to an intersection and had to stop because of the commercial filming. Always wondered if I'd ever see the commercial and now I have!

They are getting to the rim at will.....

Maximize the talent....it’s that simple. Are we maximizing this squads talent or not as we move along with the season?

Dave to the bench

Remy not starting

Wilson one of the worst statistics ls guys this year....

Braun could shoot a little more from deep if he wanted... Wouldn't bother me

Time to play zone

@jayballer67 said in Red Raiders:

need any justification on our defense ? - - How many perimeter shots has tech made ? - -all 2-3 footers

And it’s not like they’ve missed the outside looks because of pressure…

@DanR Over someones dead body

Another 29 point half?

Those charges are shit calls.

Braun and och need to start dropping some threes

What kind of stupid help was that

@benshawks08 said in Red Raiders:

Those charges are shit calls.

That guy was set , set , set, what the fricken hell are you doing leaving your feet on a drive Remy holy shit

@Zabudda said in Red Raiders:

Another 29 point half?

Anyone got $400 I can borrow to place a bet?

Bill Self play zone defense challenge 2022.

@jayballer67 said in Red Raiders:

@benshawks08 said in Red Raiders:

Those charges are shit calls.

That guy was set , set , set, what the fricken hell are you doing leaving your feet on a drive Remy holy shit

Not when he left the floor.

Every putt for TT has been inside the leather.

@jayballer67 said in Red Raiders:

@benshawks08 said in Red Raiders:

Those charges are shit calls.

That guy was set , set , set, what the fricken hell are you doing leaving your feet on a drive Remy holy shit

He was set when he took the charge, but not before Remy jumped. You have to be set before the player jumps otherwise it's not supposed to be a charge. That's a call Tech is going to get everytime at home though

@benshawks08 said in Red Raiders:

@jayballer67 said in Red Raiders:

@benshawks08 said in Red Raiders:

Those charges are shit calls.

That guy was set , set , set, what the fricken hell are you doing leaving your feet on a drive Remy holy shit

Not when he left the floor.

he has no business leaving the floor where the hell was he going to go

ka boom. Needed that

Ochai, the all american!

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Red Raiders:

@jayballer67 said in Red Raiders:

@benshawks08 said in Red Raiders:

Those charges are shit calls.

That guy was set , set , set, what the fricken hell are you doing leaving your feet on a drive Remy holy shit

He was set when he took the charge, but not before Remy jumped. You have to be set before the player jumps otherwise it's not supposed to be a charge. That's a call Tech is going to get everytime at home though

question where was Remy going by jumping in the air

Clemence can be a zone killer. Kill ‘em at around the foul line

OMG

Saw in j Newells quick scout that tech throws it out of bounds a lot.

smooth dude

@jayballer67 Trying to collapse the defense and hit Ochai

@benshawks08 Why? I can't understand why a team has a propensity to throw it OOB a lot?

Weak board effort by Clemence there. Had position

I think the Tech player was holding Clemence down LOL

@wissox maybe if their coach focuses on throwing where rhe defense can’t get it?

@wissox said in Red Raiders:

@benshawks08 Why? I can't understand why a team has a propensity to throw it OOB a lot?

Thought it was a weird thing to say about a team but seems to be accurate.

JCL throws up a brick then gets a charge. Tough scene.

More like a flop warning should have been given.

Techs defensive strategy seems to be wait for a kick out and then fall down in front of the guy who just passed the ball.

We need to understand that we're playing against Duke and that they are going to shamelessly take charges all game. And since they are at home, they are going to get those calls.

At least four offensive fouls so far

"Coach, they blow the whistle when I do that."

"Then don't DO that"

@BShark said in Red Raiders:

Bill Self play zone defense challenge 2022.

lol , he should especially today - -BUT - - HE WON'T.- -consistently getting burned defensively with man to man

Pizza Hut sucks. I think we should be adding comments about the commercials.

Extremely fortunate to be tied right now. They have 7 more shot attempts. We're handing the ball to them. Lucky that they haven't made anything from outside...

Coach said he pre-game he told the kids love to take Charges , he said what else can we do. All we can do is tell them

@benshawks08 said in Red Raiders:

Techs defensive strategy seems to be wait for a kick out and then fall down in front of the guy who just passed the ball.

Accurate

@DCHawker We've turned it over 9 times! Amazing we're tied

Braun has got to get going on offense

@jayballer67 said in Red Raiders:

@BShark said in Red Raiders:

Bill Self play zone defense challenge 2022.

lol , he should especially today - -BUT - - HE WON'T.- -consistently getting burned defensively with man to man

He likes to use zone as a weapon more than a crutch. Still a lot of time in this game to challenge his guys to step it up intensity wise on d. A zone with this level of defensive effort won’t do any better.

@DCHawker said in Red Raiders:

Extremely fortunate to be tied right now. They have 7 more shot attempts. We're handing the ball to them. Lucky that they haven't made anything from outside...

Was kind of worried about this from Braun as we hit the conference season. Struggles against more athletic comp. 3 turnovers already.

I'm not sure if we are confused or what

If tech could shoot we’d have problems.

And 1 for Jalen as he was grabbed

Wow Zach looks slow.

Zach struggling on both ends

I love how dajuan never gives up on a play. He might do something really stupid but if he has any chance of getting the possession back he will

@benshawks08 said in Red Raiders:

Wow Zach looks slow.

This is why he doesn't play

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

I love how dajuan never gives up on a play. He might do something really stupid but if he has any chance of getting the possession back he will

Like Russ rob.

KJ time🤞

Points in paint might be tilted in TTs favor

Harris should have fallen down to get a charge there.

How do you fall down and then scream like that? lol

Punished for trying to play real d.

These refs suck

@wissox said in Red Raiders:

These refs suck

I’m. It a fan so far.

@benshawks08 said in Red Raiders:

@wissox said in Red Raiders:

These refs suck

I’m. It a fan so far.

I’m NOT a fan so far.

@wissox said in Red Raiders:

These refs suck

At least we don't have them for #Chiefs

Wilson seems to have turned a corner

@approxinfinity Is it that he's scored 11 points that makes you think that? :)

@wissox not really. Just doesn’t have his head up his ass

Harris learning the refs style.

FINALLY

Like ISU fans🥴

@approxinfinity I dunno - focused too much on scoring. Has just one rebound and no assists.

4 more make up calls please?

@RockChalkinTexas said in Red Raiders:

FINALLY

Like ISU fans🥴

So embarrassing when it’s clear the crowd doesn’t get basketball.

@DCHawker sure, that’s a good point. But he’s playing better off ball even if it’s not in the box score

Obvious hook

Remy 3 fouls in like 2 seconds of game action.

@DCHawker i do think he focuses on scoring too much

4 points from the team besides Jalen and Ochai.

Do we still have time to miss 19 straight?

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Red Raiders:

Obvious hook

Elbows out on every drive.

That was not a foul on remy, that was an offensive foul

Yes sighting!

Meaning I see him on the floor. Not that he’s done anything.

Those red raider cheerleaders look like bandits with their masks. They’re all mascots!

@KirkIsMyHinrich Agreed - but it's now 3 on him in the scorebook...Might have to see a fair amount of Yesufu...

Don't know who it was herre BUT whoever it was that called for Jalen to have a breakout game was - - -SPOT ON Good call.Thank GOD for Jalen 13 points out of our 25. / Without him we would be screwed

Our mini hulk!

Do play KJ like as many minutes as he can go.

KJ can at least play at this level athletically.

@Kcmatt7 said in Red Raiders:

Do play KJ like as many minutes as he can go.

Yes please

Joe is a brick mason

@BShark Who is Joe?

We not good

@wissox Yesufu

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

We not good

No were not. our defense stinks

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

We not good

We will score 40+ in the second half and win by close to 10. Calling it now.

Bill don't mind burning his TO's in the first half.

Where did our go to guy go?

Graphic showed they've outscored us 22-6 in the paint...

I fell asleep. Can someone tell me what’s up with Dave?

@DCHawker said in Red Raiders:

Graphic showed they've outscored us 22-6 in the paint...

Sounds about right, this team has nothing inside.

Dang Dave knock that down

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

I fell asleep. Can someone tell me what’s up with Dave?

he's wearing the extra heavy ankle weights today along with oven mitts

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

I fell asleep. Can someone tell me what’s up with Dave?

He's Dave

@BShark said in Red Raiders:

@DCHawker said in Red Raiders:

Graphic showed they've outscored us 22-6 in the paint...

Sounds about right, this team has nothing inside.

On both ends of the court....

Ok Jesus. Just a nothing burger then

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

I fell asleep. Can someone tell me what’s up with Dave?

He does a weird arm thing every time he turns to run back on d after every shot. I thought last game it was him being pumped about having a good game but does it after misses too.

One of those days

we can't even make a fucking free throw

Pitiful

Braun missing layups and free throws is a tough pill to swallow. Been good there all year.

haven't scored in over 4 minutes

@DCHawker Still hard to believe Bill looked at this situation and took Cam Martin.

Someone remind Braun he's grown as an offensive player.

4:21 minutes without scoring - -just sad

Worst half of the season

@BShark yeah. I mean it reminds me of a tragically flawed fantasy basketball drafter

@jayballer67 starting to see a them yet when we play 4 on 5 on offense or we don’t have a stud scoring guard handling things

@BShark said in Red Raiders:

@DCHawker Still hard to believe Bill looked at this situation and took Cam Martin.

But he was getting more athletic, right..... ;)

7-0 #Chiefs

Okay we figured out the post. KJ for the rest of the day.

Now figure out how to score a bit. Honestly they’re gifting threes. Like wide open threes. Just make a few

I don’t understand. Dave 15 and 15 to invisible.

I'm fine with rotating KJ and Mitch. Dave has just been terrible today

Like what’s the deal? Wear and tear? Ok St just sucks?

@DCHawker yeah and we were horrible athletically and improvements would be made.....Harris and Mitch starting was the solid choices Bill good acting upon those end of year statements

We have athletes they just don’t play cause they don’t know the system or they mess up AND have no leash

This is what Bill gets...it’s getting old

OK, we have to make some changes. Everyone go change their socks, shoes, shirts, hats, hoodies, oil, wife, whatever it is needing changed and do it now. For the love of Phog we have to do what we can to turn this thing around.

1st half was 5 TT players vs 2 KU players. Braun is horrible today. Defensive interior sucks. 🤯

Well we are in Big 12 play now - -no more sissy teams - -we got teams that actually play some defense - and where has Braun gone ? - - -DeJuan getting his lunch fed to him - -hell our whole defense if you wanna call it that is getting taken to school. - - - ONCE AGAIN getting beat one on one drives just being flat made looking stupid. No wonder we are last in the Big 12 in defense

@Gorilla72 said in Red Raiders:

1st half was 5 TT players vs 2 KU players. Braun is horrible today. Defensive interior sucks. 🤯

not only interior - -the ENTIRE DEFENSE - - Wait - - what defense ?

Dave accepted his 6th man role I guess so no energy needed.

@Zabudda well he brought energy last game. Hm

@wissox agreed! :) just get the W and get home!

@jayballer67 funny how that works doesn’t it with real comp away from the protection of the Phog

We make shots harder than they need to be. Just shoot the shot that they give you. Stop doing stupid turnaround fadeaways.

Also, Dave needs to stop wildly flailing at every shot attempt when he tries to block a shot from the weak side. One, he never blocks the shot anyway. And two, in the time that it takes him to recover, the other team has time to offensive rebound, score, go sit on the bench, and drink some water. Just contest and stay on balance if you're going to help from the weak side. This has been pissing me off all season.

I watch Joel Embiid a lot, and often times he doesn't even contest shots. He concedes the difficult lay-up attempt and goes to box someone out. And he's Joel Embiid. I wish Dave would do more of that. Especially since we are getting out-rebounded.

This is where this teams needs an alpha dog. Someone to fall in line around. Who is it going to be?

We just need to hit about 1/3 of the wide open threes and we'll be fine

@DanR I was going to make it more simple than that. We need to score 9 more points than them and we'll be fine.

we are just so loose with the ball , wherre are the guys that can handle pressure?

@approxinfinity I thought our dog was going to be Braun, but he's flailing like the rest of the team.

@approxinfinity Should be Remy (3 fouls in 5 minutes) or CB (2 pts and 3 turnovers), but clearly not.

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

This is where this teams needs an alpha dog. Someone to fall in line around. Who is it going to be?

my thoughts exactly. - -who is our guy that will take charge ? - where is a leader on this team , do we have one?

Would like to see a TT shot clock violation in the second half or a couple more bleacher balls.

What are the chances the Jalen Wilson reintegration effort is coming at the price of the rest of the team being discombobulated on offense?

@jayballer67 #neutered and started the game on the bench

@approxinfinity Wilson only looked good for about a minute

These announcers: "The rest of KU 4 of 17" Well, Ochai is part of the rest of Kansas and he's 3 of 5, so it's actually all the others who are 1 of 12 that are the real culprit.

@jayballer67 said in Red Raiders:

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

This is where this teams needs an alpha dog. Someone to fall in line around. Who is it going to be?

my thoughts exactly. - -who is our guy that will take charge ? - where is a leader on this team , do we have one?

Och trying to be the guy. But seems like he’s forcing it a bit where as earlier in the year he was successful by taking what the defense gave him.

Did anyone do their part and change anything? I put my KU hoodie on. #ifeachonedoessomething

We make a couple open threes and start finishing some layups and we are good this next half.

They're 1 for 8 from 3. We need to pack the paint, and make them shoot jump shots.

@wissox I got a new wife!

@wissox said in Red Raiders:

Did anyone do their part and change anything? I put my KU hoodie on. #ifeachonedoessomething

Broke out the KU cardigan.

@wissox yeah. And that’s what I’m thinking about re: an alpha dog I want to see. I want to see ochai find his filthy side between now and march. Wipe that friendly Midwest nice guy smile off his face, set his f—-ing wholesome upbringing aside and learn to be a monster on the court for 40 minutes

Och can't be the guy because can't create his own shot off the dribble. The closest thing we have to that guy is Remy or Jalen

Stupid ref, don't call the whistle!

Wow. That’s terrible.

Scoring drought is broken

Pass up the open 3 and force one up

@KirkIsMyHinrich I think you’re onto something but if that’s the case Jalen needs to learn how to pass

Actually so does Remy

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

@KirkIsMyHinrich I think you’re onto something but if that’s the case Jalen needs to learn how to pass

I'll settle for better defense.

Braun turned up this half. His d has been good so far…

Help the helper is slow.

Braun may be the only person who has demonstrated the ability to impose his will on the game consistently this season

Is it free-throws if you aren't in control of the ball? I guess so

I'd like a replay of that foul on Ochai. The guy lost the ball and he's just trying to grab it.

Of course he makes that…

He traveled!!!

A foul?!

mitch took the brunt of that

These refs are so stupid

Bullshit

Please put KJ in. He is the only one who can rebound with them

Nice tackle

That’s game.

I hate when a bad call leads to three points for the other team. That's a potential 6 point swing

@Kcmatt7 There you go again Dewey defeats trumaning our team again.

Could be a decent wrestler with that ankle take down.

Braun you're wide open. Shoot that

Braun had an open three and throws it to a flailing Dave…

Where's Warren? The girl with the blonde pigtails?

Put some sauce on your pizza, pizza hut, you bastards

The types of looks we’ve got we should be shooting 50% from deep. Hope some regression to the mean happens here

Braun needs to start catching ready to shoot. Will make his drives better too. He’s gotta pull the trigger at some point on those.

Mitch got an elbow to the face and Dave got his legs literally wrapped up. Should’ve been 2 flagrants

@Kcmatt7 said in Red Raiders:

The types of looks we’ve got we should be shooting 50% from deep. Hope some regression to the mean happens here

Yeah weird game, JWill has half the makes.

Not liking the offense he is setting up

@rockchalkwyo said in Red Raiders:

Mitch got an elbow to the face and Dave got his legs literally wrapped up. Should’ve been 2 flagrants

Definitely a physical game from one side.

@BShark said in Red Raiders:

@Kcmatt7 said in Red Raiders:

The types of looks we’ve got we should be shooting 50% from deep. Hope some regression to the mean happens here

Yeah weird game, JWill has half the makes.

But only 1 board. Weird.

Maybe Sasha Kaun can come back and teach our bigs how to rearrange some faces

Need a bucket

Dave finally had just one guy guarding him

@tundrahok well isn’t that logical? He’s bombing from the perimeter so he’s not under to collect boards?

Heating up.... ? I hope

Normally a big Harris fan but he’s been not great today.

Braun got fouled but thankfully they didn't call it and found Ochai

@approxinfinity Wouldn't explain defensive rebounding.

Been bullied all over the court on the defensive side.

Dave basically guarding no one rn.

As hard as it is for us to score, we can't be giving up wide open lay-ups like that and expect to win

Alright.

It’s amazing how bad Dave is at staying in front of his man when they face up

Let's D up

Just take the easy layup dave

Weak foul, but I'll take it.

Darn it Dave

Stupid

@DanR said in Red Raiders:

Just take the easy layup dave

Against his nature.

Dave got bailed out

@approxinfinity literally was sagging off his man on the open layup and didn’t even bother the shot. He’s useless on defense

Defense needs to force a TO and get a dunk

Dave did get pushed a little and he tripped mostly because he was off balance. Which brings me to my next point. Dave is never on balance

Not a foul

Dave often plays small. That's his problem

Bull crap! Harris knocked it cleanly. I hate refs

Noldany with 4 fouls. DRIVE IT

Get dave out of there please

Crunch time. Make a move now defensively

Tons of time, but good lord

Fuck!

This game is about to get turned off

Well with Dave, Bill gets the award for “I’m gonna take care of you” coach. Hope he sells that well to recruit someone. I just hope they have more upside.

thats game

Next two or three minutes will tell

Just get Dave off the court and play Wilson at the 5

@BShark got spanked without their best two offensive players

@Kcmatt7 Why are you two still commenting? You called game. Get lost!

@Kcmatt7 yepppp Bill has work to do, though a healthy Remy would have helped.

Deep breaths everyone. Still a ton of time!

I'm telling you, everyone. I'll be glad to see Dave go after this season

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

Well with Dave, Bill gets the award for “I’m gonna take care of you” coach. Hope he sells that well to recruit someone. I just hope they have more upside.

Udeh's people took notice for sure. I think he is a great match for Bill.

Sorry, get lost Please! Don't want to forget my manners. And of course I'm kidding.

@wissox said in Red Raiders:

@Kcmatt7 Why are you two still commenting? You called game. Get lost!

Just mute me. You’d be doing me a favor tbh

Wilson too

@Marco I’ll be glad when we win a championship and history is kind to him and his flaws fade in our memories as we cherish the banner in AFH

We are all fans. Don't go after each other please ❤💙

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

@Marco I’ll be glad when we win a championship and history is kind to him and his flaws fade in our memories as we cherish the banner in AFH

My brother, I hope you be right!

Settle down fans. Wilson travels all the time even when he dribbles.

Wilson walk

Zone.

@Marco at this point there are serious questions marks. If this was jeopardy, the answer would be “who is KJ Adams?”

@approxinfinity who is that, Adams?

Bill waving the white flag with the zone

Also I think Bobby is a complete player who can be an alpha dog

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

@Marco at this point there are serious questions marks. If this was jeopardy, the answer would be “who is KJ Adams?”

Still think this teams ceiling involves good Dave. Scary that it feels like that’s what real success is going to come down to this season.

I love our team. Love it next year too. Dave just doesn't fit. Adams? Who is that?

Great foul discrepancy today. Really love all the shitty charge calls.

@benshawks08 just how does that work when they can blow right by him in a set offense for a layup?

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

Also I think Bobby is a complete player who can be an alpha dog

Agree. He needs to be starting next year I love Dajuan but he is limited.

@Marco #24 from Austin. Big time jump and rebounds

I mean Dave is definitely a part of the puzzle but in a game like this Dave is unplayable when we need stops against athletic bigs

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

@benshawks08 just how does that work when they can blow right by him in a set offense for a layup?

Yeah. Good Dave scores and rebounds and anchors the paint in a way that lets the guard apply max pressure. We saw some of that at the end of last year but haven’t seen any of it yet this season.

Honestly think our peak might involve going small and playing KJ at the 5. He's the only big that can move well and defend

14 is kind of a guy I think I'd love to hate

That was not good Dave.

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

I mean Dave is definitely a part of the puzzle but in a game like this Dave is unplayable when we need stops against athletic bigs

The problem is there isn't a single guy on the roster that is an answer for this. Really puts a ceiling on this team.

@Kcmatt7 OK, That's game!

Yay, Remy sighting

@approxinfinity but come on,,, that's what we always say. The dude has balled what, two games this year?

Love this idea. Zone with Zach and try to shoot our way back in

If Dave doesn't play anymore today we might come back

I’ll be happy if we get this back under 5.

@Kcmatt7 I don’t think Zach can make stops rn either

We need that run n gun that we broke out against St. Johns to lead us home.

@approxinfinity yes but not asking him to do much in the zone at least. Just be long

Don't need that Remy

Come on Zach board

Fine with the quick shot, speed the game up if you csn

two possessions with nada

Called a jump ball before it was even tied up

Can we see JCL there

@approxinfinity looked like a foul to me

@KirkIsMyHinrich I had the same thought.

Hey look a blocking foul called on Tech!

He pushed him

Hmmmm

Good job, Fran

Wow, our guy got shoved out of bounds on that rebound, but Fran calls it good work.

Stops!

Game over. Play Adams now. What to lose at this point?

What’s with Braun? He’s passing up 3’s for “going nowhere” drives.

Foul

He called a foul on TT!

this is a shocking turn of events

They called a foul right?

@Gorilla72 said in Red Raiders:

What’s with Braun? He’s passing up 3’s for “going nowhere” drives.

That's his game. Bill screams at him to shoot more 3s.

They needed to have a conference with the whole TT team to explain. Sorry guys.

Evidence these guys are running a 3 ring circus.

@Gorilla72 he's overthinking, instead of just playing

I’m sold on JCL. I like the kids mojo and I hope he gets bills trust

Wow Missouri beat Alabama

@Marco who controls that?

@wissox no flipping way lol that’s a brutal loss for Bama...missery is awful

this kind of reminds me of the 2012 missouri game where we were behind and kept blowing chances to get back into it, until we finally clicked.

(recently re-watched that game)

I’m happy.

@approxinfinity who was calling for him to stay on the bench cause the games “too fast” for him and he’d “turn it over” a ton.....

Interesting. No Dave, and we cut into a lead

Go a bit harder Zach

Agbaji has to try harder to get around that seal there. He just let himself be boxed out

Aww, no more blonde pigtails.

@Marco yeah but there’s Zach’s mistake and yank. Way too slow getting over to defense the block. Mitch would have gotten there a step quicker

@kuballin10 who?

@KirkIsMyHinrich with 4 fouls he has to be careful.

@tundrahok said in Red Raiders:

@KirkIsMyHinrich with 4 fouls he has to be careful.

He also has to play defense.

Zone helped

@Gorilla72 others have mentioned it but he knows he’s not a good shooter

Next year Dick will be the shooter Braun isn’t but won’t play much

I counted their big 4 seconds in the lane BEFORE the guy started his drive. I mean that's as basic a call as there is in basketball. One of the zebras watches the lane.

@Crimsonorblue22 kudos to bill for adjusting when we know he hates zone...

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Red Raiders:

Zone helped

Yeah, this team can't defend great anyway so I like the move.

But zebras belong in the zoo

Zach is going to be gone probably after this season. Why not? He never plays. Adams probably too

Why do all the sonic ads have overweight people in them🤔

@BShark would be so funny if Bill just leaned into it for one season. Especially with this team in transition, a zone could be kinda nasty…

@Marco no way man. Zach will be a starter next year

@Marco Zach should be aware he has a lot of potential, but still has a lot to learn.

@RockChalkinTexas You ever been to sonic? Nothing but overweight people eat there!

@RockChalkinTexas this amurka

@approxinfinity I wouldn’t bet money on it personally…

@Marco said in Red Raiders:

Zach is going to be gone probably after this season. Why not? He never plays. Adams probably too

Don't think so with Zach.

Road games are hard. Bama loses to god awful mizzou. Baylor down at half.

Mainly the zone cause they been hitting inside

@Kcmatt7 said in Red Raiders:

@BShark would be so funny if Bill just leaned into it for one season. Especially with this team in transition, a zone could be kinda nasty…

I don't think he will do it but I agree.

And we’re in foul triublr

@KirkIsMyHinrich was just going to say

I've noticed that commercials are pretty unrealistic

TCU is 10-1 they aren't that bad

@Marco ha

Aren’t most Americans a little fat?

I still have nightmares of Vick trying to be our zone buster

Lol Jalen getting hot hot

Foul

ouch

@kuballin10 Note what happened there with Remy. He can't get by his man.

Remy😡

TTU interior passing is unbelievable. So good

@BShark nicely done.

@DanR greatest game plan I’d ever seen against us by a team way over matched

UW at the sprint center let Vick short time he 8-12 footers which are an awkward shot over 20 times and he goes for a 30 but stop everyone else

It’s what teams should do against us with Harris. Dont guard him if he scores 30 barely guarded you tip your cap

No one inside. But even if Dave were there it wouldn't matter

Mitch getting schooled inside

Bring in Adams!

Step up! Jesus

@kuballin10 that's the game I remember. Masterful D by UW

@BShark yeah is that not injury? But he has struggled all year. We have 3 seasons of him beating guys off the dribble constantly for buckets, dump offs or kick out threes.

We know he can

Lol KJ isn’t going to get one minute this half is he? Would be ideal to have in the middle of the zone

Time to crank it up to 11 guys

@Kcmatt7 said in Red Raiders:

Lol KJ isn’t going to get one minute this half is he? Would be ideal to have in the middle of the zone

Ya, makes no sense.

Set him up for a freaking play! Bring him in..

What ref?

Trash

No

@KirkIsMyHinrich Self is right on this it’s an extra W with his +1 -1 scale helps when we are so good at home though

OMG

Holy crap with all the charges they've called on us and they call that?

Bad subs, bad everything

Unbelievable...fire these refs

Another referree induced momentum swing

Damn my prediction almost was going to be challenged. If we get a shot clock violation this half we win

Fuck!

Yeah, I said fuck...

You wanna play d Dajuan?

@Marco so impressive

You’re not going to win a lot of games your opponent takes 12 more shots than you

@approxinfinity he had the steal last time

Let's get the win so I can get to the #Chiefs 🙏🙋‍♀️

@approxinfinity he ain’t quick enough....he’s good knowing the system and being in the right spot he’s just not athletic enough to dominate like the guard we are used to having

Road games expose flaws will be a good learning experience away from the comfy confines of Allen

Guys disappear and men separated from the boys

@Kcmatt7 said in Red Raiders:

You’re not going to win a lot of games your opponent takes 12 more shots than you

Yep. Defense is an issue. Despite the fact that I offer zero analysis I've been saying this from very early on.

Braun was set just as much as the TT guys were in the first half. It's just so bad when refs influence a game like this. We haven't played that well I acknowledge but this is really bad.

So… I’m glad we decided too late that we were going to play competitive basketball in response to the game at hand.

Not happy about the officiating but we have a lot of things to be mad about before we get to that. We need to work on the things we can control.

Not quite over just yet

@BShark lol I chuckled at that I like the back and forth we have never hard feelings talking ball

You’re right on D is probably the bigger issue but O isn’t what all the metrics say. It’s och and that’s it. Not good Dave often, Braun is hot and cold and we got no one else besides jcl who can score

no foul on that dunk?

@DanR Of course not. TT doesn't foul nearly as much

THere's one.

Braun time.

@kuballin10 dajuan? He’s smart enough to be in position there. That wasn’t a quickness thing. He lost focus

No foul!!!! Braun got mauled on the dunk

Drive every time CB!

Still time guys. F I G H T

Is this the game CB goes Alpha?

Everytime, drive CB!

You still have to bplay D Och

This refs can go skulk away to whatever cantina in Lubbock to get their leather sack of gold

@approxinfinity that’s the point Bill loves system knowers and guys like that but they always coincide with not being athletic enough to win titles

Vs

Play guys who don’t know the system but are athletic studs let them learn and have a huge leash versus letting unathletic guys have huge leash

mercy we have been getting screwed by these dam calls - - anyone got any KY?

If we come out of this with a mad af CB and a not broken JWill a loss may not be a biggie

Get Agbaji off the court. He's not playing defense

God, can't wait til next year. We'll have an inside presence

that's the way this game has gone

ugly break

That's it

How is that not a block?

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

This refs can go skulk away to whatever cantina in Lubbock to get their leather sack of gold

they don't have a fricken clue in calling this game

@kuballin10 respectfully I don’t think that has anything to do with him not getting out on his man. If Bobby rides pine when he’s healthy I think that becomes a fine bone to pick.

@Crimsonorblue22 lol. Sorry.

I predict Bruan gets one more jam

We’ll get them back in Lawrence. Sometimes good to see Bill get outcoached. Make him look for answers and counter punches

Yeah ochai seems relieved to take a back seat to ochai and jwill damn shame

Harris got mugged !

Would have been our ball but we got fouled

That was a foul

Am I the only one screaming at my tv

Refs need a timeout to get their shit together

@nwhawkfan said in Red Raiders:

Harris got mugged !

Hell ya he got mugged

These officials…. Wtf

Officials helped give this one away

@bskeet NOOOOOOOOO

If he had possession isn’t that a travel

I'm so irate. Ask my wife.

Fran😡

@Marco said in Red Raiders:

Officials helped give this one away

just flat screwed us

Game. Later

Ya, honestly hard to win 8 on 5

OMFG. 8 on 5

For future reference Braun... Drive, drive, drive.

Well, Wilson played better. That's the one bright point

No the red raiders didn't have an answer every time. This team in the last four minutes has been denied repeatedly the opportunity to possess the ball.

We need you Braun, dtive....

Fran can go back to Fransylvania or wherever bloodsucking leprechauns go when they’re not spouting anti Kansas bias

Sorry guys, sucky outcome. Bad all the way around.

He’s giving waaay too much credit to TT. L

@Kcmatt7 said in Red Raiders:

We’ll get them back in Lawrence. Sometimes good to see Bill get outcoached. Make him look for answers and counter punches

Texas fans thought TTU fans were joking when they said Adams was the brains of the operation...

Zone for conference play. All in.

@DanR said in Red Raiders:

Refs need a timeout to get their shit together

Nothing truer has ever been written on these hallowed pages.

@approxinfinity or some 5 guard press Virginia style.

Or like anything that doesn’t involve Dave

@BShark said in Red Raiders:

@Kcmatt7 said in Red Raiders:

We’ll get them back in Lawrence. Sometimes good to see Bill get outcoached. Make him look for answers and counter punches

Texas fans thought TTU fans were joking when they said Adams was the brains of the operation...

Your opinion @BShark? Should Adams have played more?

Rock Chalk. Hope the Chiefs get it going

Adams was horrible when he did play?

Adams is a man’s man. He was Beards Beard

@Marco Adams as in the new coach at TT

Dave was -12 on the floor in 14 minutes

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

Adams is a man’s man. He was Beards Beard

Explain.

@wissox said in Red Raiders:

@DanR said in Red Raiders:

Refs need a timeout to get their shit together

Nothing truer has ever been written on these hallowed pages.

This game was still winnable and Tech was missing guys but holy moley the charge calls in this game... The worst part is it didn't go both ways.

The zone worked but so much other stuff didn't ill leave it at that.

Oh, okay...

Thoughts on the game, everyone?

Not scoring 70 with all the scorers we have is disappointing to say the least.

@Marco under further scrutiny my statement isn’t logical but it sounded funny in my head.

@Zabudda said in Red Raiders:

The zone worked but so much other stuff didn't ill leave it at that.

I think it is our best bet long term. Remy needs to get healthy. I don't care if we lose to ISU if Remy is still hurt don't play him.

@approxinfinity he’s gonna play 10 min a game when healthy and Harris will start next year.

Watched ku ball probably like you for decades...self ain’t changing a guy who starts this year and his back won’t be passed up as much as Bobby should start

Self stunts growth it’s a reason recruiting trail he struggles. Coaches sell against him on it and his system and how strict he is.

We still get guys but not like other blue bloods and we can see the whiff inside this year but Bill didn’t want anyone thought Dave was enough

@bskeet we shot efficiently enough tbh. We just let tech shoot 52% and take more shots

@Marco said in Red Raiders:

Thoughts on the game, everyone?

The officials were almost as atrocious as our frontcourt.

Non travel call in front of Self called a foul instead, 2 points them instead of our ball. Non 3 second call in lane leads to and 1. 3 more points for them. Charge called when Braun did exactly what they did to us 4 times in the first half and got the call. 1 point them. Our rebounder shoved out of bounds leads to and 1. 3 points. Braun gets whacked in face on dunk. Nada -1 point for us. Lose ball Harris shoved to ground, their ball. (I forget if that leads to points or not) 2 times very quick whistle for jump ball, the last one was egregious. 2 possessions lost. I know I'm missing some, but these calls were impactful.

Horns. Hawks, Cyclones and Bears all on the road today. We missed our chance along with the Horns and if the Bears and/or Cyclones win then well you know.

18-44 pts in paint

@Crimsonorblue22 Oh man.

17 turnovers never helps a team win I acknowledge. Jalen Wilson finally scores some points and inexplicably doesn't rebound the basketball. Obviously no one besides JW and OA were scoring. That of course was huge.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Red Raiders:

18-44 pts in paint

It’s KJ time

Post game is always on espn+

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Red Raiders:

18-44 pts in paint

Also got outrebounded 34-24. We just have no inside presence this year.

That rebound Wilson lost killed us after the ft

We are going to get embarrassed by a few teams this year if we don’t make changes. I’m for embracing healthy portions of zone

Our 5 is going to be the un doing for us - -we have Nothing. - My Kingdom for a quality big man. - -No 5 and then horrible defense, don't get your hopes up unless this gets fixed - and fixed soon

You get outscored - - -44 -- 18 in the paint , no more needs said - inexcusable

Some pts in the paint were perimeter guys getting by our guys and off 2nd shots/boards.

Bad officiating or not, KU didn't deserve to win today. 4 points, 7 rebounds, and 2 assists combined from the 5 spot today with zero production from Mitch.

Also why did Remy only play 12 minutes today? Injury or something else?

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Red Raiders:

Bad officiating or not, KU didn't deserve to win today. 4 points, 7 rebounds, and 2 assists combined from the 5 spot today with zero production from Mitch.

Also why did Remy only play 12 minutes today? Injury or something else?

Remy still hurt some but not his best game either when he was in

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Red Raiders:

Some pts in the paint were perimeter guys getting by our guys and off 2nd shots/boards.

so many were just to easy , lots of 2-3 footers in the lane

We just look out of kelter , no other way to say other then our defense is just terrible. - not sure what the kenpom rankings defensively where we stand but I know were dead last in the big 12 and it showed. Beat time and time and time again in the lane. It hurts we have no inside presence defensively -well we have no inside presence offensively either.

We just look choppy on offense no flow none of smooth flow just out of sync , forced shots , bad shots , missed shots -baad rebounding getting beat today by like 10 I believe mercy got to clean things up and soon

@Texas-Hawk-10 I guess he told self before game he didn't think he could go. Just shot at warmups. Guess he changed his mind? Not sure, got 3 quick fouls

@jayballer67 our players aren’t real quick laterally....ochai never has been because he can’t beat his man off the dribble and same for the rest of them. Harris is weak, David uncoordinated, jalen another slow laterally.

Only real quick athletes are remy (when he’s not hurt) pettiford and Joe

@approxinfinity agreed....zero offense inside when Mitch isn’t going up against SFA and same for Dave.

Braun literally can’t disappear because Harris and Wilson neither can throw it in the ocean or score.

It leaves Ochai and that’s it with Braun. That’s what coach has pushed though with them carrying the load when many here saw Braun would come back down to earth it’s not sustainable.

@Crimsonorblue22 at least he didn't strip naked and then run off the court, right?

well, that wasn't pleasant.
The most frustrating part of watching KU hoops for me:
Dave receives the ball on the low post in good position. All he has to do is go up not even semi quickly over his right shoulder to the rim and score. But no. He puts it on the floor. backpedals 10 feet, heads to the middle of the lane and hoists up a 10 foot left handed clunker. every time nearly. maddening.

MORE KJ!!!!!!!!!! Don't care if he makes a few mistakes. energy.

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Red Raiders:

well, that wasn't pleasant.
The most frustrating part of watching KU hoops for me:
Dave receives the ball on the low post in good position. All he has to do is go up not even semi quickly over his right shoulder to the rim and score. But no. He puts it on the floor. backpedals 10 feet, heads to the middle of the lane and hoists up a 10 foot left handed clunker. every time nearly. maddening.

MORE KJ!!!!!!!!!! Don't care if he makes a few mistakes. energy.

I am onboard, Dave plays small so we might as well go small. For whatever reason, he has never fully understood that he is 6'10, always dribbling first even if right by the hoop. I mean serious, how many times has he even dunked? Anyone?

It is time to play KJ.

Glad I missed the game. Execution and effort at the end killed them. Missed layup by och, not getting rebounds which was all effort, loose balls, etc. Didn't look like a team out there on replay just some individuals

Also on replay what a dreadful first half of play, really hard to watch with Wilson the only production on offense. You won't win games when that's the case. The game was lost in the first half.

The missed foul on Harris stealing the ball with 1 minute left is a joke. Only a home crowd ref let's that go. Doesn't get any easier then that on a call.

This team isn't getting better and the break in December may have disrupted everything that was built. They need to play at home and get back to themselves

One last thing the officiating was the worst I've seen this yr.

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@BeddieKU23 said in Red Raiders:

One last thing the officiating was the worst I've seen this yr.

that was the worst I've seen in some time, a couple of the charges were legit charges but not just the charging calls just a lot of BS calls or non calls sick of it. I know I shouldn't say that being a former offical myself but dam

@BShark said in Red Raiders:

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one of the replies on this tweet siad McCormack and then pointed to Landen Lucas , I was thinking about Lucas I would love to have Landen on this team almost a sure fire double double always 10 , 12 , points a game a could always count on 10 or more rebounds - makes Dave look like a clown. /He wasn't great but at least he had a legit shot and rebounder

@jayballer67 seems like Landen and Dave are almost identical tbh

@BeddieKU23 said in Red Raiders:

This team isn’t getting better and the break in December may have disrupted everything that was built. They need to play at home and get back to themselves

Here is where I am disappointed. I expected this team full of experience to come together over Xmas break. As you mentioned... it seems like they went the other way. I am curious what happened over Xmas.

@drgnslayr

I expected the Tech game to be a toss up/more then 50% chance of losing tbh. 2 road games in a week is hard especially when your not playing well. We have not passed the eye test in a while. Remy isn't close to 100%, Bobby is out. Agbaji has come back to earth showing some of the criticism that's followed him for 4 years now. Braun's also showing that playing better athletes still bothers him. Some guys are playing too many minutes and Self doesn't trust anyone off the bench it seems unless its the backup 5. The 5 position is the Achilles heal to this team.

This is a good team but I still don't really think they are a team playing together. The defense as we saw Saturday was poor. Tech does nothing fancy but they have athletes and it showed. At the end of the day KU still looks like a team lacking athletes.

@jayballer67

Not calling a foul on the And-1 dunk by Braun and the missed foul on Harris stealing the ball that went out of bounds, that was 3 points potentially taken away in the last few minutes. My gripe with these two plays is that similar plays by Tech were rewarded with FT's. The Harris one just baffles me and I've watched the replay of that play 3 times now. This wasn't a fairly called game at the end. However if KU had played better perhaps it could have overcome poor officiating at key moments

@BeddieKU23 said in Red Raiders:

@jayballer67

Not calling a foul on the And-1 dunk by Braun and the missed foul on Harris stealing the ball that went out of bounds, that was 3 points potentially taken away in the last few minutes. My gripe with these two plays is that similar plays by Tech were rewarded with FT's. The Harris one just baffles me and I've watched the replay of that play 3 times now. This wasn't a fairly called game at the end. However if KU had played better perhaps it could have overcome poor officiating at key moments

Just really bad calls - -missed calls , no calls. I've always heard , been told and even agreed with . still do for the most part and that is a bad call by the officials did not cost us this game - -yes that's true , BUT multiple poor calls, YES that could very easily cost a game -just really bad calls

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

@jayballer67 seems like Landen and Dave are almost identical tbh

not really sure about that. Landen was more consistent, you could almost always count on that 10-12 points a game and double digit rebounds - - Dave - - uhhh not so much

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

@jayballer67 seems like Landen and Dave are almost identical tbh

I would argue they couldn't be more different. Lucas was the pinnacle of consistency but was never going to surprise you. He rebounded well in his area, scored the easy buckets, the Self offense set up for him, and was an average to slightly above average post defender who could usually handle his own man but was unlikely to provide a major shot blocking presence in the post.

Dave on the other hand is wildly inconsistent. As likely to give you 3 pts and 2 rebounds as he is to go 17 and 15. He rarely makes the easy rebound or bucket that Lucas could be counted on to handle. However, he has the potential to rebound outside of his area, make a jumper, occasionally even score one on one vs his defender. He draws help and attention in a way Lucas never did potentially opening up scoring opportunities for others. When he's at his best he can get a few weak side blocks and if not control the paint, at least provide some resistance on drives that get past the guards.

Maybe my memory is bad but these are the impressions I have of those two players looking back. All of the Dave potential is based on what we saw late in the season last year. We've seen very little of that this year.

@benshawks08 @jayballer67 just had this same exact conversation with my wife. she made the same valid points you did. it's an interesting comparison, for sure.

@benshawks08

Agree they are nothing alike and that's how I remember them.

@approxinfinity said in Red Raiders:

@benshawks08 @jayballer67 just had this same exact conversation with my wife. she made the same valid points you did. it's an interesting comparison, for sure.

Wow, getting it from all sides!

@benshawks08 haha. I’m glad to be surrounded by people who hold me accountable. Thank you for that :)

@jayballer67

On replay the Harris no call is worse then the Braun dunk. There was contact on the Braun dunk but the Harris one just baffles me because he is unable to control his body to stay in bounds with the ball because of contact by the TT player, Braun at least finished the play with a spectacular finish (where he could have been easily T'd up after for pushing the player and taunting him). That's been a bit of an issue with him at times.

However rewatching the last few minutes I actually think the missed layup by Ochai had as much of an impact as those two missed calls. He missed an absolute gimmie.

Ochai has 8 fouls in 2 conference games which is unacceptable. In his previous 7 games he had only committed 9 fouls. He's gotta clean that up and stay on the floor.

@BeddieKU23 and he's no good playing not to foul!

@BeddieKU23 said in Red Raiders:

Ochai has 8 fouls in 2 conference games which is unacceptable. In his previous 7 games he had only committed 9 fouls. He’s gotta clean that up and stay on the floor.

His fouling is a definite indicator of how he's getting beat on defense. He is very much getting beat on defense. For a guy with his athleticism, he simply shouldn't be getting beat like he does. He's been beat every which way, from falling asleep on backdoor alleyoops, to getting beat off the dribble, and definitely on switches.

I hope he isn't thinking he just needs to save his body for the draft. Right now... these are the games which will largely impact his draft position. Going up a few notches translates into millions and getting out of the blocks right so having a big time NBA career is more likely.

My rant about not playing with urgency has now been translated by Self with "uncertainty of effort."

I've mentioned not having a definite floor general, regardless... this team will be fueled by Och's play. Just because he leads the team in scoring versus TT does not indicate how he lacked urgency in his play. He should be dominating games and when and if he will... just watch Braun. He'll shadow Och's numbers because teams don't know what to do with two prolific scorers. Braun just needs to be surrounded by enthusiastic players... and he is quite capable of showing enthusiasm himself!

The big plus out of this game is seeing Wilson somewhat return to form. I'm thinking he has earned a starting spot again and will probably become one of our more consistent players. When his shot doesn't fall, he'll just go hustle up more rebounds. He is our junkyard dog player and every team needs one of those.

Our guys got a wake-up call in this TT game about how they are going to need to turn it up to win league games. If they don't... we could see a horrific year. The worst in the Self era.

The only thing that stopped us from going 0-2 was OSU's terrible performance.

I've said all that but I still feel good about our year ahead. Still feeling like this team will come together. As I said earlier... we may end up 2nd or 3rd in the league, but stand a good chance of putting together a late run.

I'd like to see guys play together on both ends of the court. On offense.. no one is doing anything for anyone. It's every man for himself and they are starting to look like some of our old teams that would just perch on the trey line and pass the ball fast enough to get a shot off in the seam. These guys should be setting off-ball screens like crazy to free each other up. Pick and pops, too.

@Crimsonorblue22

Great point, he's really not built that way at all.

@drgnslayr said in Red Raiders:

The big plus out of this game is seeing Wilson somewhat return to form. I’m thinking he has earned a starting spot again and will probably become one of our more consistent players.

Admittedly, I've not been a big fan of Wilson's. Something about his demeanor makes him seem sullen and detached. And while it was nice to see him make some shots, his showing the other night is still an outlier in my book, until he proves he can string some good games together.

Hate to be so negative, but if he is to return to the starting line-up it is only because some of the others have played so poorly of late, not because Wilson necessarily earned it with a single decent performance.

Och is not seeing man seeing ball! One of the first things we teach. Most of us saw those back door cuts from our living rooms, och was in la la land.

@tis4tim

That's where I'm at with Wilson as well. If he is going to have some big games like that, hopefully they are apart of victories. Getting a season high in a loss just doesn't do much