We good.

@BShark said in ISU Game Thread:

We good.

Defense bad. Offense - sometimes good. Not so much the past couple of games.... ;)

List of things I want

This team to just play zones exclusively. They aren't going to defend anyone man to man.

Remy might not play at all tonight. :duck:

True story- I met my first Clone fan recently. Dude is a general contractor, and is remodeling our offices at work. He wore a Clones t-shirt one day, so we got to talking. Turns out he's a Clones freak...lol. Of course he had to gig me about losing to T Tech. I'm going to light him up like a xmas tree tomorrow.

Line is 12.5 might be right. they was talking been like good DaVE , bad Dave - -looking for a good Dave tonight

Zach is OUT. Has a boot on his right foot.

BurnCamsShirt

@FarmerJayhawk lol

@FarmerJayhawk BAH GAWD KING

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Dam Clemmons out - chances ar Remy not playing what the hell. Not sure if Pettiford playing any

I think burning Cuffe’s Redshirt would benefit the the team more.

@rockchalkwyo said in ISU Game Thread:

I think burning Cuffe’s Redshirt would benefit the the team more.

Neither is a contributor but Cuffe is miles away in terms of skill unfortunately. I think year 3 he can contribute.

@rockchalkwyo said in ISU Game Thread:

I think burning Cuffe’s Redshirt would benefit the the team more.

Self doesn't think so , said they are not considering taking his red shirt

@BShark said in ISU Game Thread:

Remy might not play at all tonight. :duck:

Looking more and more likely.

@BShark What's his problem?

Good thing we are home. As always can't stay healthy

@jessejayhawk said in ISU Game Thread:

@BShark What's his problem?

probably still with his knee then he has been messing with he back quite awhile now too

Start KJ

@BShark we good, thx for starting!👏

@jessejayhawk said in ISU Game Thread:

@BShark What's his problem?

Knee is bad. He shouldn't have rushed back but also we need him, it's tough.

@jayballer67 thanks

I didn't know coach roberts was with them sat.

Vernon on Twitter saying KJ might be upset with his minutes so far. He's starting tonight

@BeddieKU23 said in ISU Game Thread:

Vernon on Twitter saying KJ might be upset with his minutes so far. He's starting tonight

Yeah, I remember posting early talk of him being a transfer risk. I am not surprised.

Self saying practices have been good since Saturday

Going with Big Dave for my hawk to rock tonight

@BShark

Could be avoided but as usual it is what it is

One thing about KJ starting tonight , he can't do any worse anyways offensively cause we have been getting next to nothing. Might bring better energy , just never know

It's my wish that Mitch says "i've been here nine years and have finally got it!"

I’m looking for CB to take no prisoners.

You think Iowa St fans boo their TVs? Do you think Melvin Weatherwax has tried to fight his own TV?

Brockington looks like Selden

Let's go #Jayhawks

❤💙

KKKJJJ

Awful

lol Enaruna got the first bucket

Make free throws come on

Going to be a hard game to watch simply because of the two boring remote announcers

Anybody seen Roy💞

YOOO KJ

Dave would have dribbled that off his foot. +1 KJ

Booom

@DanR

Our hands it out of bounds

Awful possession

@BeddieKU23 oops predicted the future

@BeddieKU23 said in ISU Game Thread:

Awful possession

Ball movement is not great.

Weak ass call

All ball

@BShark

3 guys in the corner and nobody wanted move. That's rediculous

KT is back

out of bounds is our best defender!

Wake up ref

lol these announcers. Talent is the real reason we won 14 straight.

When these commentators finish calling this game maybe they can tell us how we can prevent forest fires.

Can't let Wilson shoot

Ted Emerich used to do the Longhorns time outs.

Let a 6 ft guard go up between 2 of our bigger guys and get an easy put back....

Jerky and sloppy.

@RockChalkinTexas said in ISU Game Thread:

Ted Emerich used to do the Longhorns time outs.

what'd he do? throw frisbees to a dog?

This line-up needs some time together to get chemistry. Some potential here.

What's Bobby's status?

@RockChalkinTexas

Optimistic he will play

This game being on espn+ severely limits my ability to watch Wiggins and the Warriors play during commercials.

@BeddieKU23 I would be surprised if he didn't.

@BeddieKU23 said in ISU Game Thread:

@RockChalkinTexas

Optimistic he will play

Tonight?

@DanR said in ISU Game Thread:

@RockChalkinTexas said in ISU Game Thread:

Ted Emerich used to do the Longhorns time outs.

what'd he do? throw frisbees to a dog?

No on the radio doing other scores etc.

@rockchalkwyo

Yepp warmed up. Coach mentioned he could go

Wilson got closer on that last 3 attempt

@BShark

Not like we have another point guard so he's gotta

@BeddieKU23 said in ISU Game Thread:

@rockchalkwyo

Yepp warmed up. Coach mentioned he could go

Word 😎

Roy! Nice

Roy!!

He held KJ

Jalen stop

The Wilson brick show

Out of bounds is killing ISU

Lol cyclones

@BeddieKU23 said in ISU Game Thread:

The Wilson brick show

Prefer Flip Wilson

IState sucks and we our losing. So much for small ball

Harris is awful

ISU keeps passing to the invisible man

Another standout offensive showing - 5 points in more than 5 minutes...

this has gone from ugly to uglier

OMG

@BeddieKU23 said in ISU Game Thread:

Harris is awful

He absolutely can not be the starter next year.

Unbelievable

JFC

Iowa St is one of the best defensive teams in the country. Their offense is terrible though

@BShark

He cannot be the starter now

@DanR It's almost fugly

Niang sighting

Wow that ref sucks

Omgosh

Flop

@BeddieKU23 said in ISU Game Thread:

@BShark

He cannot be the starter now

Bobby can't be worse lol

we're only down 4 LOL

Horrible "blockout" by Ochai - no effort there...

Just awful effort

Ochai that's your fault

Im gonna break my F bomb record tonight. Not sure what it is but my wife said its gotta be in the 20's

Ochai come on man

Bobby

Bobby!!!

Bob time

That's the second time we've let them score easily off an offensive rebound. Self needs to yell at them more

Going deep into the bench already. Why not?

Come on Bobby let's do this

BOBBY WE MISSED U

Is there a way to listen to this online?

Och

Dave look out of sync.

@wissox you don't want to listen to these announcers

It's good that Agbaji can shoot because his defense has been pissing me off lately.

Atta way

Love to see this effort

Nice d effort

@wissox try. KUAthletics.com

Radio feed is there

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in ISU Game Thread:

It's good that Agbaji can shoot because his defense has been pissing me off lately.

He is preparing for the NBA, taking plays off.

Time out and give em hell, bill

Ochai I'm gonna scream

Ochai is off tonight

Ochai don't leave your feet if you don't know what you're going to do.

Och should know better

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@approxinfinity

Not just tonight

He really should sit his ass down

entire team is sped up and nutty

The beer and pickled eggs are roiling now

@DanR Perfect

On that loose ball play enaruna palmed the ball all the way to Missouri

@DanR said in ISU Game Thread:

entire team is sped up and nutty

That's what Iowa St does. The trick is to not give them easy points off of offensive rebounds and turnovers because their offense sucks.

It sleeted earlier and it was 43°

@DanR No, I can't watch. ESPN+ has me so messed up I can't subscribe even as I tried today. It's been a long soap opera of epic sadness and anger towards ESPN and towards our AD. I mean there's a whole ACC network to show ACC games and what's on ESPNU? Some crappy ACC game. Good grief, two top 20 teams? I know ISU wasn't highly regarded of early on but can't they do a flex schedule to get the good games on TV?

Last two games show how important a healthy Remy is.

@wissox we're on cbs Saturday 🥴

We were already thin

Wrestling coaches in charge of ISU's basketball team?

Jeez we just make mistakes too often

I do not like the current line-up at all.

@RockChalkinTexas Thanks for the radio link. Listening now. Unfortunately probably won't be able to watch as I have to go visit our daughter in Minnesota.

I'm done with harris

It's like we're playing the first scrimmage of the season....

Press them back, Bill.

Our guys still can't handle any defensive pressure. Bad passes

Don't know whether to laugh or cry...

LMAO cry

@stoptheflop you caused that!

Whatever

What the hell are we doing

Good lord, just let braun take it up the floor coast to coast

I'm glad I'm not watching!

@RockChalkinTexas I think my feed is just faster.

@wissox said in ISU Game Thread:

I'm glad I'm not watching!

You are the only lucky one

Need another guard

Harris is getting messed up with that big guy on him

3/12 25% shooting just isn't going to get it done.

Offensively challenged ISU hitting 50% against us - uh, we're not...

@Crimsonorblue22 Someone get over to Robinson Gym and find a guard

Mitch should not be playing

Agbaji stop leaving your feet

Bobby went in

LOL okay

Jeez the guy was in the air

@KirkIsMyHinrich slow to learn

Radio dude says bad call

@wissox said in ISU Game Thread:

Radio dude says bad call

It was

Och is on another planet on both ends of the court. Come on, dude

Iowa St is getting calls and they've also gotten away with a few fouls but Agbaji still needs to not be a dumbass.

Self your timeouts are not working

Get the ball to Braun. He's the only guy with his head not in his ass right now

Can't take your scorers out

Braun needs to alpha dog up

good job, mitch

Flop

Nice play floppy McFlopface

I blame coach K for this bullshit

Surprised mitch didn't reward that flop with a foot to the chest or groin

We look broken.

@RockChalkinTexas Is there a penalty for a flop. It seemed tome that the ref called it.

@jessejayhawk you get one warning first I believe

@BShark thanks

Hope everyone HAMMERED ISU +12.5

@BShark said in ISU Game Thread:

Hope everyone HAMMERED ISU +12.5

13-point win incoming

Second game in a row where Wilson isn't rebounding. He's spending too much time on the perimeter looking to shoot rather than focusing on what he actually does well...

EFF you Adidas

This team falls apart against a pressure defense.

@BShark

Nothing new really over the yrs

@DCHawker said in ISU Game Thread:

Second game in a row where Wilson isn't rebounding. He's spending too much time on the perimeter looking to shoot rather than focusin on what he actually does well...

He has 3 assists though. In fact our only player with an assist thus far.

There we go. Nice effort all around.

Good play och

Good job harris

Pinball anyone?

Keep the pressure on them

Bout time they called something

Alright. I take it back. We can’t afford to sit agbaji. We can’t afford to have him take plays off either. Hope he can stay focused.

This just let'em shoot D is working

Mitch has been big

Mitch you f’n hero!

What a finish

Awful Christian

Ugh

Another flop.

Harris redemption arc

Atta boy Jalen

Wilson making a 3 is like finding a unicorn

Big 3 though

Jalen with 4 assists for all the haters

Definitely a big shot

Looked good

@BeddieKU23 He can open his eyes now

Up to 45% shooting

Need MORE BUCKETS

By the way, Jalen was 6-8 and 3-5 from 3 against Tech

@BeddieKU23 said in ISU Game Thread:

Up to 45% shooting

Just stop turning it over plz

@KirkIsMyHinrich But 0 rebs

Jalens been a team player for sure

can we tie by halftime?

@bskeet can we make 30?

Feels like we're settling down on D. Gotta stop freaking out on offense when they double

@stoptheflop said in ISU Game Thread:

@KirkIsMyHinrich But 0 rebs

The only Jayhawk with more than 1 rebound thus far is Ochai so

@bskeet I think we tie just to give up the lead on their last possession.

Espn has put this as a 2 and not a 3?

@BeddieKU23 hm it did look like his foot was on line

@stoptheflop said in ISU Game Thread:

@KirkIsMyHinrich But 0 rebs

more turnovers than missed shots I think

@approxinfinity said in ISU Game Thread:

@BeddieKU23 hm it did look like his foot was on line

Wow

JWill foot on the line apparently.

9 TOs and 11 missed FGs

Buddy at Allen said definitely was a 2

Harris block that?

BOOM

Big

3 for och

5 assists

I know it's Wilson's dream to play point. Not my dream though

Wilson needs to quit switching

22% 3 point shooter is 3-5 of course

Another assist for Wilson lol

You guys bitch about it even when he does something well so w/e

Ochai with matador defense on that...

WTF

Killer

Right to him

Awful possessions there

We broke 30 for the half. I'll take it, but let's keep going

Flopped on a pass. that's new

Good no call

Big 3

@DanR LOL

We should read that all the way

SMDH

All things considered...being down 2 isn't that bad lol

Could be worser.

Tech hanging with Baylor. This ISU team was right there with Baylor too. No easy games in league play.

What exactly is this game? Our effort is good and we might want to calm down.

@BShark said in ISU Game Thread:

Tech hanging with Baylor. This ISU team was right there with Baylor too. No easy games in league play.

52 - - -51 Baylor with like 7:05. Tech's defense makes you work really hard - -really hard

Watched some of the T Tech/ISU game a few days ago and was impressed with both teams playing some really kick-ass defense. Made me really concerned that we would be playing both of them back to back. Looks like my concern is justified.

Is Dave going to be alright now? Will we have to keep telling our point guard where he needs to be on offense? Inquiring minds want to know.

@Zabudda Was in Joplin last night. Bars are still going strong.

@jessejayhawk Right on baby!

@jessejayhawk @Zabudda ... you down in the Joplin area?

Interviewing Roy Williams on radio feed right now

@DanR Moved 60 miles south 3 years ago. Married a Rogers girl. Wondeful wife!!

@DanR lived there for a number of years. Still have some drinking/hunting buddies there. I now live in, God forbid, Illinois.

@Zabudda You in Rogers? My son lives there. He's a paramedic.

@Zabudda Hey, watch it (@jessejayhawk). I'm from Illinois. My wife is from Monett in SW MO. Rogers is a nice place nowdays.

@jessejayhawk I moved there in 68 after HS. Except for my jar head years was there forever.

97 Senior day was most emotional game he ever coached. Scoring 150 against Kentucky was his other fvorite game.

@DanR Yes it is. My son moved from Chicago back to Lawrence after 8 years.

Tech beating Baylor by 4. Makes me feel better about getting robbed in Lubbock the other day.

TT by 7 with 2:30 left

@wissox Are they playing in Lubbock?

@jessejayhawk Nice.

@jessejayhawk said in ISU Game Thread:

@wissox Are they playing in Lubbock?

No faylor

@jessejayhawk No waco

Dam Baylor down 5

@wissox How much time left in the game?

Down to 2

Wow

@jessejayhawk Down to 2 points now with 1:39. the half filled dome is acting interested

@jessejayhawk 1:52

I love the Big 12 this year. Just awesome!

Awesome dunk. TT by 4

KJ starts again???

ISU is leaving guys wide open to double/triple team. Should be able to get more easy shots if we don't freak out too much

2 Fts for Baylor which misses front end. TT ball up by 4 with 50 left

We're up 1 with the ball

I'll be your play by play guy from Waco for the night

@wissox keep the updates coming

El Kabong!!!

@DanR The coaches are talking....

@wissox. We are up

Braun drained an explosive three

TT guy just got raped in the lane, no foul, tie up. TT up by 6

@DanR said in ISU Game Thread:

ISU is leaving guys wide open to double/triple team. Should be able to get more easy shots if we don't freak out too much

Seems to be a tall order for us based on the first half lol.

bailer 3. 3 pernt lead for tt

6 - 0 start to the second half is goodness.

Lubbock state turns it over. Waco St. ball. 36 seconds

ISU does not like to be pressured. Keep it up

Bill has us trying on D

KJ has it going on mentally

Waco university 2 FTs coming on the pre planned referee determined foul

KJ work on those screens, man

TT 1 pt lead 27tics

I don't know who Harris is talking to, but he's always talking

Let's keep them at 0 as long as possible!

We may be scatterbrained some but the attitude on this team is engaging

KJ is fun

@BShark he at least does something

JCL is digging in a little harder than usual on D too against his old team

Bayolor gets away with a foul. Refs trying to figure who it was out on. If it's not TT the fix is in, Vegas has spoken.

Rebound Rebound Rebound

Dan Gable getting upset on the ISU sideline

@DanR Dan Gable coaching hoops now? Wow!

FT good

@wissox dead ringer

@RockChalkinTexas said in ISU Game Thread:

@BShark he at least does something

He might be our best defensive post player. It is a very low bar though.

FT good 3 points with 19 seconds left.

@wissox score

Agbaji that's bad you don't get trapped in the corner

@RockChalkinTexas Lubbock by 3, wacko ball with 19 seconds left.

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This tbh

TT - Bay will go to OT I predict

@BeddieKU23 self yelled at kj not och

I could barely watch the fourth quarter of the SEC championship last night to root against Alabama. Can't spend any more energy to watch the end of Baylor game

@DanR I saw Dan Gable at a cold war friendly meet at Northwestern, US team against USSR team. He coached the US team.

KJ caused Och to get trapped

Tech wins

Boooom

Baylor inbounds, dribbles, 3 attempt is no good!! CLock runs out! It's OVAH

Ha ha ha

Big 12 is going to be wild this year

We're better than Baylor

@wissox thanks for your updates

Good outcome in Waco.

@jessejayhawk Yes, now where'd I tie up my hoss?

CB wyd?

Wild shot

How bout just a travel

I'll give Illinois Nebraska updates now.

@wissox Magnolia Farm?

What's our score by the way?

40-35 good guys

@wissox 40-35

KJ

43-35 after an Ochai bomb

Wow!

Love to see Cuffe engaged on the bench.

Lets gooooo

I am listening, but was very distracted while sitting on press row in waco.

That was freaking awesome

Ochai could take over this game in a heartbeat if he could stay aggressive

Both teams with only one timeout

@RockChalkinTexas said in ISU Game Thread:

Both teams with only one timeout

Roy is sitting there freaking out

JFC

Big Dave fading into KU obscurity?

Harris not being able to do anything other then pass infuriates me

I hate former gophers

defense went to shit when 44 entered

@BeddieKU23 Well airball

Big shot by och

@BShark tell us you don't like him without telling us you don't like him 😂

@BShark With two blocks???

We haven't guarded a single in bounds play all night

Bobby!

What a week for TT!

YOOOO JCOLE

Nice block

I just got here, missed the first half. Didn't realize Bobby would play tonight. That's exciting.

@jessejayhawk did u notice Drew's nose was purple?

We need a pg who can do more then just look to pass.

@jessejayhawk said in ISU Game Thread:

@BShark With two blocks???

There is a lot more to defense. ISU could not score when KJ was in. Of course KJ can't play the whole half. Mitch is just limited.

@tundrahok No Remy or Zach

MUCH better D this half

@BeddieKU23 said in ISU Game Thread:

We need a pg who can do more then just look to pass.

I think Bobby can get to be a scorer eventually. Dajuan...eh no.

@tundrahok Not doing much, but is bringing a bunch of energy that we need

@DanR Wow, thanks. Remy clearly needed to rest that knee. What's up with Zach?

@BeddieKU23 I like him

No KU game for me but I got the Bulls, Blackhawks, and Illini games to go back and forth to. Illini are a distant third in my college fandom but they're as frustrating as the Bears to watch over the years

@Crimsonorblue22

Bobby? Me too

If Joe shot that air all he’d be yanked

If remy came down like och and went 1 on 5 he’d be sat too

@tundrahok said in ISU Game Thread:

@DanR Wow, thanks. Remy clearly needed to rest that knee. What's up with Zach?

In a boot. Stepped on someone I believe

@tundrahok said in ISU Game Thread:

@DanR Wow, thanks. Remy clearly needed to rest that knee. What's up with Zach?

Injured his toe in practice today, it is inflamed/swelling.

Nothing worse than a bad toe. Seriously

Leading in blocks, 7 to 1

Damn

@BeddieKU23 harris

Omg

@DanR Yea, you wouldn't think so, since you have 9 others. But it can be debilitating.

Great. Och with a knee to the Quad too

Owwww

Ouch

Oh boy, the Bobby Dajuan combo again.

That should be a foul on ISU lol

Get this over with

Dr. Randall walked off to look at JCL

I haven't developed enough hatred for that ISU player to think that was flagrant

What's the opposite of no blood, no foul ?

Definitely not intentional

Gal didn't see it

Common foul at most. Probably a decent no call

I hope och isn't hurt

No call. That's nothing but having your face in the wrong place

This doesn't take this long

More worried about Och

He threw it

Correct call. Unintentional dangerous contact to the head is still a flagrant.

Wow

Well okie doke

Anywhere "above the shoulders" per the rule book actually.

@BShark He has been a little nasty all game.

Big Dave could pick up three of those just running up the court too close to a guy

They should have put that football game last night on ESPN+

Lol Mitch

Lol

A no look elbow!

Score looks good right now, but ISU had a 9 pt lead with 10:45 left in the first half.

Bob shoot it

Any such thing as a soft flagrant ?

@bskeet 18 point turn around

3 non scorers in the game. Bless you Bill.

Mitch lost

@BeddieKU23 again

Channel surfing now. Figure skater fell so hard he fell through the ice and they had to throw him a life ring.

Foul

Get 44 out of the game now.

2 fouls only 1 called

Atta way to go och

where's Dave tonight?

So who got hurt?

missed way too many put backs tonight

Jcl

Unreal

@wissox jcl an elbow to the snoz

@DanR he had time

This is making my eyes bleed like JCL’s nose

Smart

Illinois a sterling 1-7 on FT's tonight

3 secs too

Mitch just took an elbow to the face and shook it off like a boss

The ol hookaroo

Their killing him

lol

🙌🙌

63 points gets the win.

JWill can do work at the rim.

Gahhh

@BShark

That's his real shooting range

Like, I get that he doesn't want to for his "pro prospects" but it is what would be best for the team.

Give up a foul with 1 sec left

Defense this half has really been great. Iowa Sts stuff is basic

@Zabudda said in ISU Game Thread:

63 points gets the win.

I'll take a win against a top 15 team without Remy don't care how it happens.

We do some dumb stuff and then we might run a play. Ugh

KSUcks v TCU. Purple people eaters. Blinding

They've got Brockington, we've got the Block-ingtons

Seems like it's about time for Braun to go off. He waits till the other team is a bit tired and then...

Anyone still pining for Tristan? 1-3 from the floor, mostly invisible tonight.

Curry needs 1 assist while still in the 3rd quarter for a triple double. Really good game against Memphis, so he'll be on the floor to build up his stats to just an average game for Wilt.

@BShark said in ISU Game Thread:

Anyone still pining for Tristan? 1-3 from the floor, mostly invisible tonight.

Not gonna tag you, you know who you are.

Not harris's best game

Mitch gave up

@DanR Has he had a best game?

@wissox Looked good against Mizzou

Get him OUT

What a surprise the line-up with 3 non-scorers is failing to score.

Jcl back

He will miss

Big Dave in for clean up in the lane. Crossing my fingers he can set a couple screens for braun's jams

If this game gets to 70 it will be a miracle.

Dajuan pure ft stroke

If Harris is 6 foot, I'm Wilt (old big wilt)

Pfffft. That's a foul if anything.

Wasn't over

Foul

Welcome home Roy. Please come often

Man, I miss Doke

Wow

Whatever ref. You watching this game?

Iowa states big guy reminds me of Joakim Noah

Yank Harris

Jeez Harris get your head out your ass

@DanR Glad you put an O instead of a U in his name

omg, harris

You just cant

My teeth hurt

@wissox I had to do a double take too

Are there other guards on the bench to put in? Harris is it. Yesefu and Pettiford have not been great

@DanR

Yesufu I guess isn't playable anymore

Harris's turnover to assist ratio will not be good.

Come on dave

Like Gurley & whats his name said no Yesafu - -where is he at ?

Lil late

Wow ref I just can't

@BeddieKU23 said in ISU Game Thread:

@DanR

Yesufu I guess isn't playable anymore

where the hell is he ? - -mercy

Wtf was that call

female ref is tough on us

bad call, and that's from the decent ref

Come on Bill!

These refs… foot possible back court as well

Radio guys are apoplectic about that one.

@FarmerJayhawk over the back

I wish I could say I have seen positive things from this game

On big dave?

Woof make that call then as it happens

Ochai hasn't scored in a long while

@Crimsonorblue22 wilson i think

@jayballer67 Wilson getting a bit back in the groove

@stoptheflop

Hasn't touched the ball either. Typical tho for him

@RockChalkinTexas said in ISU Game Thread:

@Crimsonorblue22 wilson i think

Yep

We're playing nice defense it appears. ISU 50 points.

Dave needs to step it up NOW

Officials are increasingly trying to influence the games. Not just ours. It's epidemic.

Dave walks like something isn't right

Whatever ref

We are really missing a third scorer from the floor

Och inbounding yikes

Juan!!

What I'll always like about Harris is it looks like someone just grabbed him from a playground somewhere

I know it went in but I'll take guarded long 2s for ISU

DAVE with the rejection

Wow that was goaltending

Radio guys keep saying Amy Bonners name the official. Don't think they're a fan

FFS Jalen

Wilson can't make shit at the line ever

Lol

Fuck that

@wissox other ref is is worse

Brutal way to lose

Dave of course

No way Jesus Christ

Whatever

Woooooow

Dave was set

This sounds like horrible reffing, for the 2nd game in a row

Lol

Maize

Still going to win this. Harris will be a hero

i hope

Can't rebound once again

That's what happens when you sub mitch back in

God. What has happened to our offense?

Can't get to 60?

Really?

Well Dave did everything he could to piss it away in the lead up

Maybe Roy can go over and draw one up

@bskeet said in ISU Game Thread:

God. What has happened to our offense?

Can't get to 60?

Really?

It was pretty good until we played 3 non-scoring players at the same time...

Stone hands. Just clanking those boards up into the abyss

Aight let’s go get a bucket

Och... you want to play in the league. Time to show your stuff, man

Make them

KJ out there? Uh...

KJ in for Mitch.

Radio says that was a soft call, or like a makeup call, and that's what happens when you make bad calls, you have to make makeup calls

Harris the hero. YESSSSSSS

THATS A DUB

Wow

LMAO

Wow

@DanR winner winner!

HO-LEE CRAP !!!

Harris wow

We win!!

Of all People Jaun - -bad night and then - - -THIS mercy

Wow, that was exciting to listen to!

Win and move on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dajuan honey badger harris don’t give a shit!

i'm grinning from ear to ear

@wissox Wasn't bad to watch

@wissox I'll bet it was.

you know - -I'm getting to old for this lol

@DanR said in ISU Game Thread:

Still going to win this. Harris will be a hero

i hope

What a call

All the credit to Harris. Great play

@RockChalkinTexas You're my MVP for getting me the radio link. Wish I'd asked earlier.

This league is just a nightmare. - wherre can you go for an automatic win

@jayballer67 all evens out though.

@jayballer67KSU

Bill thinking to himself "it was all because I played the 3 non-scorers line-up so much".

@wissox said in ISU Game Thread:

@RockChalkinTexas You're my MVP for getting me the radio link. Wish I'd asked earlier.

Any true fan would have known about the radio feed❤💙

🙌

@BShark

Bad ball is back baby

@jessejayhawk said in ISU Game Thread:

@jayballer67KSU

  i don't think so - - they're better been playing teams tough

Post game on

@Jethro Have you been here before with a different username?

I played pg and my boys were really good pgs. I also coached some boys that weren't to shabby. I see it a lil different than most of you.

That was butt ugly badball straight out of last decade, baby. Dragonslayer will be thrilled...lol.

I guess Jeff gueldner(sp) gets it

@Crimsonorblue22 about harrs? You're right

I miss the days when a home game was an automatic W.

Only need to be 1 point better tho.

My cousin use to date grille, my son said he's a lil -----

Cb played tough

@BShark I wonder if Roy was tempted to call a play or two for us after watching that offensive display tonight.

What a win. Harris doesn’t drive all night until it’s absolutely required and Och gave it up...couldn’t believe that figured he go mono e mono with brockington.

We are gonna get boat raced in Ames and turn it over 25-30 times but glad we held court at home

Anyone watching auburn play Bama? Level of play is night and day different. Auburn has some absolute athletes out there and they all play aggressive no quick yanks or short leashes and it shows

@Jethro I wondered what he thought all night....probably unc would blast this fake ku team like usc exposed us last year

@kuballin10 he did drive before, also 6-6 throws.

@kuballin10 we did beat the team that beat bama in Orlando.

Really not really too worried about seeing ISU a second time. They overplay, and their D is not that complicated. Quite a few b12 teams are going to kick them to the curb on the second round

@Crimsonorblue22 he drives never looking to score and other teams know it. He air balled the three. If anyone thinks he can lead us to a big 12 title or national title they are crazy yet he’s gotten and continues to get all the minutes.

Nice kid, plays hard but how we went from graham, mason, Taylor ect to wanting to have a non scoring, ball distributor who can’t shoot much from deep and allows teams to play 5 on 4

He had 4 TO’s but did take it away 3 times

@Crimsonorblue22 turn to this Bama game the speed of the game and amount of dunks and just overall ball being played is night and day different than what we just watched

@kuballin10 No D in the SEC

Bama can’t guard their shadows

@DanR you can’t be serious?
Ames is going to be rocking as always when we come to town. If we lose by 5-7 I’ll be surprised. They will make more shots and their crowd will have us on our heels.

If we thought the tech crowd had us turning it over right and left them Ames will be amplified by 2-3 times.

@Jethro said in ISU Game Thread:

That was butt ugly badball straight out of last decade, baby. Dragonslayer will be thrilled...lol.

lol were get use to Butt ugly - -mercy the team is just - - - - - don't have the words , but a win is a win I guess. - -Remy re-injured his knee according to Coach , talking about we need Remy to be healthy. - - Pettiford he said has practiced 1 hour in the last 6 weeks. - No Yesufu - - - - No Clemmons - Dave was a no show - - Again - - -And you said butt ugly win - -we won with BUTT BUTT ugly defense lol - -get use to it

@FarmerJayhawk how about auburn?

@FarmerJayhawk how about us for the last two years?

@kuballin10 they’re good. Do you want me to say they suck?

@kuballin10 Yes. I'm serious. Very Serious. You've been wrong about everything, so I feel pretty good about my position. I'll catch up with you after we beat ISU by 20 in Ames. In the meantime, enjoy your SEC games

@kuballin10 we’re 30 spots higher on defense in KenPom. Also please point to where I said we were playing good defense. Everyone knows Bama can’t guard anybody. Ffs they lost to Missouri

@kuballin10 12 pts tonight

Night all. Stay safe

RCJH

❤💙

Rock Chalk!

@FarmerJayhawk once we’ve finished the big 12 tourney we can talk about Kenpom.

In the tourney though it’s irrelevant only thing that matters is winning.

I just pointed out the differences in play and you said their D sucks that was it so responded with what you thought about our teams D.

@DanR been wrong about what feel free to add more to the conversation? I like talking ball feel free to discuss your thoughts and how you view things.

20 huh? Now you just sound like an arrogant head in the sand ku fan.

Auburn would run us out of the gym if we played them tonight. I hate pearl he cheats everywhere he goes (granted its allowed now) but his teams always can play.

@kuballin10 you sound just the opposite!

@kuballin10 KenPom is a good measure right now. If that doesn’t do it for you they gave up over 90 to Memphis and Missouri. They flat suck on defense. There’s no evidence to say otherwise. Or much of anything that says they’re better than us.

@Crimsonorblue22 no arguments here! I am not a homer you have to see the team for who they are and their potential.

Ochai would have to go Danny and the Miracles for us to make any noise this year unfortunately.

When you favor the system over better potential with players and it’s been noted since the HEM days the frustration level with every lack of a title grows louder (I know dok’s year we got robbed but honestly zero guarantees there. We’d start off throwing it in the post in another final four while some team plays modern ball and lights us up from deep. I don’t think that team gets it done but feel awful Dok was completely robbed of it).

When coach sits down and says we aren’t athletic enough and big changes are made then proceeds to not change the lineup and plays less athletic players over more athletic guys it’s frustrating and there’s zero accountability.

When guys transfer play with freer minds and long leashes and their coaches instill confidence in them while riding them go figure they play better. William doesn’t do that.

@FarmerJayhawk when half the games are cream puffs it’s irrelevant. Bama and us would be a good game today. They can’t guard but with only two scorers, zero low post threat - we are easily guardable and then don’t guard on the other end

@DanR tell me you are watching this “sec” game

Pg just came down and dunked it on the Auburn big. We got a guard on our squad who can do that he just doesn’t play

Having fun with the :clown_face: I see.

@kuballin10 sure, with Remy and Zach out. KenPom adjusts for who you play. A common statistical technique to get unbiased results.

@BShark solid - now tell me what you think

@kuballin10 who's that?

“Some people would rather lose 91-90 than win
60-59.”

-famous board rat

@FarmerJayhawk what’s Kenpom weight remy’s effect on the team to win versus his actual output (stats in games played)

If you’re going to go all analyst on me that’s fine appreciate the conversation at least. Haven’t been on the board in years because guys can’t handle a conflicting viewpoint if you don’t bow at the alter of Self. When I tried to pontificate on how the games played or really talk ball others just call names because they haven’t played a day in their life and literally besides name calling or grammar analysis they can’t keep up.

I appreciated HEM because he’d call people out begging for other viewpoints to discuss instead of

“Trust self”
“He can do no wrong”
“You don’t see practice”

We come to this board to discuss if people can’t do that because they have nothing to add then what is the point here?

@rockchalkwyo whether 2-0 or 155-153 just win...however since those aren’t legitimate options let’s look at what maximizes wins.

The better the team the more possessions helps them as they can score and other teams can’t keep up.

The opposite of this is Tony Bennett who I know the majority on this board want nothing to do with because he has his 1 lucky title and then some of the worst losses imaginable.

When you slow the game down and limit possessions you literally play into what an lesser team wants.

@Crimsonorblue22 assumed the clown reference is me. Again just throwing jabs not talking ball. Just proves my point.

I’m throwing out reasons on why the team has struggled not just this year but last year as well (you all never miss a game I’m sure like myself). The way we play, defensively and offensively along with what’s been said, adjustments that haven’t been made and then results again aren’t acceptable.

For the “we are a top 10-15 team and right there to win big 12 and elite 8 ceiling” crowd then if that is the new goal yearly for blue bloods let me know we can all adjust our standards.

For self that shouldn’t be the goal but based on how he’s handled things these last two years the buck stops with him.

@kuballin10 all you do is complain, never anything positive. I'd guess you were Remys dad. That seems to be your priority. All of us want him to do good and Self was talking how bad we need him in post game.

It's a little hard to tell where this team will end up. I think some here see a great ending, some are bearish on our future. This team has been an enigma most of the season. We've got brilliant Ochai, much improved Braun, role player Harris, improving Wilson, enigmatic Big Dave whom I think is to blame for the last two games, Mitch is who we know he is, disappointing Remy, really the season hinges on him, and newcomers who are still trying to break into the rotation. I really don't know how this is going to end up.

Idk what is to be upset with as far as recent performance.

4 years ago we made a FF. 3 years ago Doke got hurt which sucked. 2 years ago we were the favorites to win it all. Last year we sucked (nobody is winning with that group). This year Bill is pulling strings and working this team.

Dave only played 10 minutes tonight. KJ started. And JCL probably plays 20 minutes if he doesn’t catch an elbow. He played Bobby even though he’s practiced almost none.

The best part about this season so far is that it doesn’t feel like we’ve hit our stride. Seems clear to me this team has another gear they just haven’t hit yet. But it isn’t from Bill not trying

@Crimsonorblue22 if that was the case with Self why didn’t Remy play more minutes and why was his hook so quick?

What I don’t get is why self trusts lesser talented players instead of riding the guys who can get him to a title.

Remy came here having been the man at asu I get gunning it like crazy. He didn’t do that his freshman year he wasn’t the guy but he was a stud as we witnessed at AFH.

Where did that player go? The guy who could beat his man and make other guys better?

Akinjo went 1-7 from deep tonight Baylor lost but drew trusted him and he’s been letting him shoot all year.

We did the same with graham and mason self trusted them. Why does self not trust remy? Because he had a couple loose shots in fall practice? He’s gonna carry you to a title and Bill treated him like a freshman he needed to “break”.

The issue is self. If he likes you then you hardly ever take a bad shot and no quick hook. If he doesn’t like you any shot that he deems quick or not within the offense is bad. Mason and graham, akinjo and whoever come down on breaks jack wide open 3’s. Majority of the time they go in we win and move on. Self in his mind to break remy of bad shots stripped him of his aggression in scoring what we desperately need right now.

Not remy’s Dad by any means but I’m connected with some asu alumn’s who are pretty in touch with the situation (Hurley’s a joke everyone knows that).

Had remy went to duke, uk, unc you think he’d shoot this little?

Can you fathom graham or mason not shooting at all for an entire half? Thst was remy against msu. Unfathomable.

@wissox great analysis. I agree and think had Bill loosened the leash early on in the non-con these guys he’s now stuck playing because those who he thought would lead are so bad...we’d then be better off and more prepared.

Same thing this board, TOS and countless fans have said about him for years. It’s catching up to him his lack of adapting.

Transfer rules, one and done, it’s no surprise it hurts him because he wants to make you buy in to his system and you have to earn his trust otherwise it’s quick leash in games and zero learning experience.

@Kcmatt7 appreciate the input.

Should have tried this earlier but that’s been said plenty.

The proof I’d have is guys are leaving our program and bring more successful elsewhere. They have longer leashes, play with confidence ect. You’ll get the rebuttal of they weren’t KU material well they are at other D1 schools excelling. The goal as a coach is to have guys play their absolute best and when they do that elsewhere and not here that’s something that needs to be examined.

Nobody likes the teachers pet imagine how that feels being a player on the team watching the coach have 1-2 when you aren’t the favored one yet more talented and a way higher ceiling. I’d transfer too.

@kuballin10 said in ISU Game Thread:

@Kcmatt7 appreciate the input.

Should have tried this earlier but that’s been said plenty.

The proof I’d have is guys are leaving our program and bring more successful elsewhere. They have longer leashes, play with confidence ect. You’ll get the rebuttal of they weren’t KU material well they are at other D1 schools excelling. The goal as a coach is to have guys play their absolute best and when they do that elsewhere and not here that’s something that needs to be examined.

Nobody likes the teachers pet imagine how that feels being a player on the team watching the coach have 1-2 when you aren’t the favored one yet more talented and a way higher ceiling. I’d transfer too.

Remy came in with a me first attitude and got called on it. He bought in and started having fun winning then he got hurt. End of that story. When he’s healthy he will play big minutes. He and Dave are unfortunately what this season hinges on because they are the unknowns.

Say what you want about Harris but he makes plays in crunch time. Game winner tonight, diving steal the other day. He’s a gamer. Nothing flashy but all heart. I see why self loves him. Sad you don’t. Basketball is fun. Watching basketball is fun. Makes me sad for you that you can’t enjoy an exciting win over a top 15 team.

No one is going to accuse this team of peaking too early in the conference season. That’s for sure! But it will be interesting to see how they turn out in late February, March, and hopefully April.

After 3 frustrating years with Dave and 25 years with Mitch, Self is adjusting and not playing the teacher’s pet at Self’s beloved 5 position. KJ got to start both halves and finish the last 30 seconds, as a freshman. That should show you who he currently trusts.

Remy is a different story. He needs to learn the system first / be 100% healthy, then be unleashed. And I would bet anyone that he will be unleashed.

I do get where you’re going with this, and appreciate the bigger picture perspective.

Remy came in with a me first attitude and got called on it. He bought in and started having fun winning then he got hurt. End of that story.

• feel free to share where on earth you got that story from as it couldn’t be further from the truth. Remy came here because he loved KU (always wanted to play here we turned him down) and wanted to be coached by the best (Hurley sucks), to improve his overall game. The thought process that he must completely forget about scoring and only distribute and defend like he’s Harris is where this coaching staff went very wrong. Kids so good he can buy in and be above it all even when he can see it ain’t what he signed up for. He is unselfish as they come can play with multiple stars just because he didn’t at asu because they were awful.... people have no clue about his attitude that is claimed. Self wanted Remy to do it his way...Self got what he wanted and now is realizing what he wanted and asked was dead wrong and why he didn’t utilize Remy like the last three stud lead guards (Dotson, graham and mason) no one will ever know but self.

Say what you want about Harris but he makes plays in crunch time. Game winner tonight, diving steal the other day. He’s a gamer. Nothing flashy but all heart. I see why self loves him. Sad you don’t. Basketball is fun. Watching basketball is fun. Makes me sad for you that you can’t enjoy an exciting win over a top 15 team.

• He made one clutch play yes, let’s not go overboard. If you think we can win it all with him you are going to be sadly mistaken. This is Kansas the expectations are supposed to be different.

No one is going to accuse this team of peaking too early in the conference season. That’s for sure! But it will be interesting to see how they turn out in late February, March, and hopefully April.

• I agree we definitely aren’t peaking too early.

@kuballin10 he’s also dominated the ACC. I think defense wins you ballgames, it’s just harder to get red hot for 6 games when you hang your hat on D.

Do you ever wonder if guys like Self would have won more titles staying at a program like Illinois where he wasnt expected to land top 50 guys? Where he might have same level talent for a year sometimes 2 longer?

Do you think he wins a title earlier with Luther Head, Deron Williams and Dee Brown? Does he have less of a challenge recruiting undervalued talent to the Big 10?

@rockchalkwyo great post.

Yes, Self has no choice because Dave’s been that bad. The issue is we need good Dave to even remotely have a chance for the big 12 and ncaa title.
I thought after Dave’s showing in stilly we’d see him start any ideas why Self didn’t give him the go after the good performance?

It’d been the perfect atta boy based on him winning his job back. Dave when we aren’t required to post feed him is better than Mitch. When we play UK Oscar is going to eat Mitch and kj alive. Dave is our only hope.

If you want to hit on big transfers they system can’t be so complex they can’t pick it up easily. Remy’s played plenty of ball it shouldn’t take over half the season for him to go back to bring aggressive remy. That’s poor coaching.

Same issue though with recruiting and stud freshman staying. Self is extremely likeable but other coaches can sell against him easily with his track record and loyalty to his way and his system.

Remy was late getting here too.

@approxinfinity said in ISU Game Thread:

@kuballin10 he’s also dominated the ACC. I think defense wins you ballgames, it’s just harder to get red hot for 6 games when you hang your hat on D.

Defense wins ballgames but it’s harder to do for 6 games??? Somehow defense helps you win just not enough?.....so you’re saying being a better offense team will mean you win more? That I can agree it’s the age old adage of basketball give me 5 gifted offensive players and I’ll teach them to be dogs and play D. If you give me 5 defense players they won’t get it done because I can’t create in them offensive skill set. I can draw up plays for easy buckets but if you can’t “go get yours” as the best for KU have done then we aren’t winning crap.

Do you ever wonder if guys like Self would have won more titles staying at a program like Illinois where you aren’t expected to land top 50 guys? Where you might have same level talent for a year sometimes 2 longer?

For Self 1000% agree he’s better off having guys stay 3-4 years so he can feel like he trusts them in his system and quits his short leash/quick hook deal. So yes, he’d be better off at a place like Illinois especially with the chitown connection.

I should add his 1 title was with upper classman. How often do stud freshman arrive only not to play how we expected them to come in or the minutes or a senior less athletic/potential gets minutes over them? That’s happened time and time again here so your logic is dead on.

@Crimsonorblue22 agreed no doubt about that. For him to be coached to change his game this drastically was a mistake.

Self wants guys to play with a free mind and just go play but system takes precedent over freedom to play. Similar to what I’ve pointed out in the game thread. If och comes down goes 1 on 5 and shoots Self isn’t mad or yanking him. Go watch any early games and tell me what happened with Remy. Remy plays less minutes than Harris and they took the ball out of his hands. I guess going undefeated in open gyms means more to a HOF coach than actual D1 games that were played. Never knew summer league practice would carry more weight than a years of games and resume’ a guy like remy had built up.

That has nothing to do with anything. Harris is not about Harris. He's about moving the ball and setting up his teammates. The ball doesn't stick w/him. He penetrates and dishes. He does the dirty work. He had to play a lot of mins today without remy to help. He does have a nice shot, look at his throws. He lacks confidence, I think we can all see that. That will get better. He needed another guard to help bring up the ball against the press. Hence more to's than usual. Remy will get healthier and Bobby will get more practice reps.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in ISU Game Thread:

That has nothing to do with anything. Harris is not about Harris. He's about moving the ball and setting up his teammates. The ball doesn't stick w/him. He penetrates and dishes. He does the dirty work. He had to play a lot of mins today without remy to help. He does have a nice shot, look at his throws. He lacks confidence, I think we can all see that. That will get better. He needed another guard to help bring up the ball against the press. Hence more to's than usual. Remy will get healthier and Bobby will get more practice reps.

Not sure Bobby is all the way healthy either.

@benshawks08 agree. That injury may make him skiddish too.

I heard in the post game Ochai say he learned to speak French during the pandemic.

Pleurage!

@Crimsonorblue22 I agree. KU needed Harris and he scored the ball when KU needed it. I can't understand why Braun and Ochai were so ineffective the last 8 minutes of the game. KU really missed Remy's scoring last night; KU desperatley needed a third scorer last night and Harris was just enough to get the win.

I'm happy we won. I thought we looked like last year w/o Remy. Glad to see KJ get some minutes. It's nice to know we can play some defense when we have to.

@kuballin10 who specifically is leaving and thriving?

I think it was great to see the team react, execute to that late game situation with the game on the line. That really hasn't been something the team has dealt with much so far. I think that win does a lot of good for guys mental state. They know they didn't play great but got a hard fought win despite that and injuries etc.

@Kcmatt7 said in ISU Game Thread:

@kuballin10 who specifically is leaving and thriving?

It's not a list that exists. Guys that did okay statistically via volume (ie Andrew White) weren't winning.

Well, we won!
I had a long winded post ready last night, but my internet crapped out before pushing send. So, this one will probably have fewer cuss words!
I was surprised at how pesky Iowa State’s defense was. That made for an u-g-l-y first half.
Extremely surprised to see KJ starting!!!
He was a little bit lost at times, but I think with more PT he’ll be less lost and hopefully less stiff.

Semi shocked that Self is still trying to sort out who plays at this point in the season.

This is a weird season for Self. For some reason it really stands out how he’s trying to “herd” his players into whatever mold he sees fit. I’m not really getting it this year.

I think both teams were hurt and helped by poor officiating last night. KU for sure caught a lucky break on that non goal tending call. Game changer.

That Brockenwhatever dude has an amazing pull up midrange game. Did he miss in that range? His shooting form is perfect. Straight up, straight lines, release high.

Great second half for KU.

@rockchalkwyo I was intrigued when KJ subbed in for Mitch at the end of such a tight game. Indeed, that shows KJ has earned Self's trust. It doesn't matter who starts the game (according to Self), but when the game is on the line, it sure matters who ends it.

@rockchalkjayhawk

KJ started and barely played. Seemed like a message for both Mitch/Dave to get it together. Don't think it worked but perhaps Self should stick with it

The reason he's still messing with the lineup is due to all the injuries and failures of the upperclass men. Wilson should be better, even if he can't shoot he should be able to help out in the other phases. I watched the isu/tt game, it was as ugly as ours.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in ISU Game Thread:

The reason he's still messing with the lineup is due to all the injuries and failures of the upperclass men. Wilson should be better, even if he can't shoot he should be able to help out in the other phases. I watched the isu/tt game, it was as ugly as ours.

Dave should be better too. I'm sure Bill would love to be playing him more if he could.

@BShark said in ISU Game Thread:

@Crimsonorblue22 said in ISU Game Thread:

The reason he's still messing with the lineup is due to all the injuries and failures of the upperclass men. Wilson should be better, even if he can't shoot he should be able to help out in the other phases. I watched the isu/tt game, it was as ugly as ours.

Dave should be better too. I'm sure Bill would love to be playing him more if he could.

Getting to a point you need to just give Dave a ton of minutes again and say "we need you" or to sit his ass on the bench for good and let KJ, Mitch and Jalen man the 5.

@BeddieKU23 said in ISU Game Thread:

@rockchalkjayhawk

KJ started and barely played. Seemed like a message for both Mitch/Dave to get it together. Don't think it worked but perhaps Self should stick with it

I'll stick with my refrain: MORE KJ!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bouncy and energetic are both good things for this lineup.

@Kcmatt7 the million dollar question! I'd keep throwing him in there. Dang he just had a dble dble 2 games ago. It's in him. I'd get him a therapist.

@Crimsonorblue22 it pains me, but personally I think we need him. So tend to agree with you.

Sooo decided to check out Iowa St site, oh they all up in arms over what they say blatent , clearly missed goal tending call against McCormack late late in the game with like either 1:48 seconds or 1 : 28 seconds to go, and from the video footage the replay that shows - -they very well might be right. We were up 58-54 at the time - - Guy was laying it up for easy two looks very much like the ball hit the backboard and McCormack slapped it off after it hit the back board to keep it from going in - - pretty clear - - I dunno likes it might of been

@kuballin10 said in ISU Game Thread:

@FarmerJayhawk what’s Kenpom weight remy’s effect on the team to win versus his actual output (stats in games played)

If you’re going to go all analyst on me that’s fine appreciate the conversation at least. Haven’t been on the board in years because guys can’t handle a conflicting viewpoint if you don’t bow at the alter of Self. When I tried to pontificate on how the games played or really talk ball others just call names because they haven’t played a day in their life and literally besides name calling or grammar analysis they can’t keep up.

I appreciated HEM because he’d call people out begging for other viewpoints to discuss instead of

“Trust self”
“He can do no wrong”
“You don’t see practice”

We come to this board to discuss if people can’t do that because they have nothing to add then what is the point here?

Ken doesn't explicitly weight for individual players as far as I know. The fine details of his model are proprietary, but I could probably get close to replicating it based on the details he's published. It's more like how many points do you score and how many do you give up, then adjusting that by opponent strength to estimate probabilities of winning using the methods from Lawrence legend (and KU fan!) Bill James back when. So if you score a shatload of points against a high efficiency defense, that's really good, irrespective of who actually played. For example, if a starting lineup of Harris, Yesufu, Wilson, Mitch, and Dave (and all played 35 minutes) hung 100 on LSU (the #1 ranked defense) that would be the same as if (pick your 5 and minutes) also scored 100 against LSU.

Remy is not an efficient offensive player and never has been. That was always the concern with him and Carr. You don't know how they will translate. Carr has had a similarly rough go of it, being hot and cold.

I like sitting him until he is healthy because he was a net negative against Tech with the scuffed knee. He couldn't even stay on the court without fouling. Self has his faults as does any coach but I wouldn't say he has mis-handled Remy. Just this year there is a far worse case, how much he plays Lightfoot.

Yes he has a system but it doesn't hold back talent. Dotson couldn't shoot and averaged 18 a game as a Sophomore. Remy's problem is that he struggles to get by his man and has a slow/flat release. His last two seasons at ASU he averaged 6 makes a game on 15 and 14 shots a game. That wasn't going to happen here with Ochai back.

@Kcmatt7 white, grimes, Tristan and biggest one Gethro.

Gethro with Drew would thrive he’d be given opportunity, miss defensive assignments but learn and do that early in the year in games we win either way. Game experience is the best Self can’t wrap his brain around this.

Gethro is 6’10 230 and long and athletic. Rim run, set screens, dunks, dump offs and put backs. You want to get to the league well this is what you do here.....look at Thamba at Baylor identical.

Gethro at UNM averaged 9.8 ppg and 5.1 boards on 19.8 mpg.

I get we say “he couldn’t get minutes here” and yet look what we are running out there.

Here’s the reality. Self plays favorites based on who he trusts. How he comes to the trust conclusions no one but self knows. Practice, summer league whatever it is....it isn’t games for this trust.

Quick leash for those he doesn’t and stunted growth.
Long leash for those he trusts and can do no wrong even if turnovers or bad shots are taken.

Apply it to remy, grimes, gethro whoever.

He didn’t make Grimes better....Sampson did that.

I can add Cheick too. He couldn’t “grasp” bills system or whatever your insiders claim close to the program. He’s in the wrong spot whatever yet he isn’t played through it against cream puffs he’s relegated to the bench.

Everyone who’s followed KU knows Self prioritizes system over better athletes and potential so that entails the system is literally stopping better players with higher ceilings to improve and REACH that ceiling in season.

@kuballin10 said in ISU Game Thread:

@Kcmatt7 white, grimes, Tristan and biggest one Gethro.

Gethro with Drew would thrive he’d be given opportunity, miss defensive assignments but learn and do that early in the year in games we win either way. Game experience is the best Self can’t wrap his brain around this.

Gethro is 6’10 230 and long and athletic. Rim run, set screens, dunks, dump offs and put backs. You want to get to the league well this is what you do here.....look at Thamba at Baylor identical.

Gethro at UNM averaged 9.8 ppg and 5.1 boards on 19.8 mpg.

I get we say “he couldn’t get minutes here” and yet look what we are running out there.

Here’s the reality. Self plays favorites based on who he trusts. How he comes to the trust conclusions no one but self knows. Practice, summer league whatever it is....it isn’t games for this trust.

Quick leash for those he doesn’t and stunted growth.
Long leash for those he trusts and can do no wrong even if turnovers or bad shots are taken.

Apply it to remy, grimes, gethro whoever.

He didn’t make Grimes better....Sampson did that.

I can add Cheick too. He couldn’t “grasp” bills system or whatever your insiders claim close to the program. He’s in the wrong spot whatever yet he isn’t played through it against cream puffs he’s relegated to the bench.

Everyone who’s followed KU knows Self prioritizes system over better athletes and potential so that entails the system is literally stopping better players with higher ceilings to improve and REACH that ceiling in season.

If these are your ideas of guys who left and thrived we are living in two different realities.

Grimes first year at Houston was wildly inefficient. Basically his results here, just with more volume.

White got beat out by BG. We all watched it. If BG wasn’t a 50% ringer from deep White would have played here.

Enaruna is getting 17 mpg and scoring 6 a night for ISU.

Gethro put up those numbers while shooting under 50% from the field, and before his accident had just left that program too. Against the only P5 team they faced, he put up a 1/4 shooting night with 5 points and 5 boards. Quite the smoking gun you have there that Bill Self can’t develop players.

@Crimsonorblue22 send him to Dr. Phil, we'll make a game thread.

"Welcome to a special live edition of my show! Today's guest is David McCormack, a center for the Kansas Jayhawks men's basketball team. David, you were once affectionately called Big Dave but now some are calling you Little D instead. What is going on with you?"

"Dr. Phil, I don't know, sir. That's why I'm here."

"Well, we're gonna get to the bottom of it, don't you worry. We'll be right back, after this commercial break."

That was a good question by Dr. Phil...