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Let’s start churning. 8 new faces next season would be my guess

@Kcmatt7 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Let’s start churning. 8 new faces next season would be my guess

Going with 7 personally.

Clemence and Joe Y seem to be gone

@BShark 7 in would be 8 out. Who all is staying - Harris, KJ, Udeh, Zuby, Bobby that it?

@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark 7 in would be 8 out. Who all is staying - Harris, KJ, Udeh, Zuby, Bobby that it?

First four you mentioned and then Bob or Joe is my guess.

We need some athletes guys and gals. Council and Davis were easily the most athletic on the floor, that lead to several offensive rebounds. We need guys that play above the rim!!

@BShark Joe gets some run, but the freshmen may show him the door? I think Bobby loves Bill, would about have to push him out (just my perception).

@kjayhawks said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

We need some athletes guys and gals. Council and Davis were easily the most athletic on the floor, that lead to several offensive rebounds. We need guys that play above the rim!!

I would not have guessed they were nba prospects based on this one game. Davis got his and obviously they’re talented judging by the hype, but they didn’t pop to me. Tbf Gradey didn’t exactly jump off the screen either.

@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark Joe gets some run, but the freshmen may show him the door? I think Bobby loves Bill, would about have to push him out (just my perception).

Tend to agree with this and don't think Bob will get pushed out.

@dylans I would draft them before any guy on our roster. As much as I love Jwil he ain’t lasting in the NBA, Dick maybe if he can hit from the cold bench consistently.

@Kcmatt7 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Let’s start churning. 8 new faces next season would be my guess

KU only has 12 scholarships for next season so it'll only be 8 if both Pettiford and Yesufu leave, 6 to 7 is the more likely number.

@kjayhawks said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@dylans I would draft them before any guy on our roster. As much as I love Jwil he ain’t lasting in the NBA, Dick maybe if he can hit from the cold bench consistently.

In those guys' defense, don't judge them based on that performance. The team ran nothing for them when it needed to and they could have helped.

I still can't fathom how you pull Gradey right after he hits his first 3. Obviously I'm not a D1 coach but I just can't justify it

@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark Joe gets some run, but the freshmen may show him the door? I think Bobby loves Bill, would about have to push him out (just my perception).

Self's not keeping both of them. At least one of them will transfer out.

If both stayed, KU would have 6 guys that are either a 1 or 2 and 3 guys that are a 5. That would only leave 3 spots for the the 3 and 4 spots. That would be a very small team and a team majorly lacking in scoring punch.

@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

I still can't fathom how you pull Gradey right after he hits his first 3. Obviously I'm not a D1 coach but I just can't justify it

Coaches have been pretty consistent getting him some rest. So, who knows. Gradey 2.0 next year would be much better, on the floor more prolly.

@rockchalkjayhawk I hear you. But I think 2.0 doesn't happen because he isn't apt to improve his stock enough to be worth the potential risk of not going lotto now. If he was to get injured, etc. CS will definitely tell him to go if he's projected lotto

Im honestly worried we will be a average next season but that’s gonna happen at one point here

@kjayhawks said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Im honestly worried we will be a average next season but that’s gonna happen at one point here

Bill's floor is pretty high but let's see who he portals for the starters. :)

@kjayhawks said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Im honestly worried we will be a average next season but that’s gonna happen at one point here

Depending on the transfers, next year could be Self's most offensively challenged team at Kansas.

@BShark a lot of stuff to be figured between now and then for sure.

I think most of the board will like the guy I expect we are getting.

@Kcmatt7 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Let’s start churning. 8 new faces next season would be my guess

Jalen - - Kevin - - Grady - - Cam - - MJ - - Bobby - -who else ?

@jayballer67 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Kcmatt7 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Let’s start churning. 8 new faces next season would be my guess

Jalen - - Kevin - - Grady - - Cam - - MJ - - Bobby - -who else ?

Cuffe gone. Zach gone.

We are reigning national Champs for another 16 days. Let's not lose sight of that

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@jayballer67 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Kcmatt7 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Let’s start churning. 8 new faces next season would be my guess

Jalen - - Kevin - - Grady - - Cam - - MJ - - Bobby - -who else ?

Cuffe gone. Zach gone.

ya I was just getting ready to edit - -remembering them

@jayballer67 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Kcmatt7 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Let’s start churning. 8 new faces next season would be my guess

Jalen - - Kevin - - Grady - - Cam - - MJ - - Bobby - -who else ?

Clemence and Cuffe. I also don't know if it'll be Pettiford or Yesufu, but one of them is likely.

Be easier to deduce who will be back right? Lol. Harris, Adam's, Udeh, and????

@cragarhawk Would expect Zuby to return as well.

@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Be easier to deduce who will be back right? Lol. Harris, Adam's, Udeh, and????

Harris, Adams, Udeh, Ejiofor, 1 of Pettiford/Yesufu are the likely returnees. Since we don't know what the issue with Rice, I don't want to totally rule him out as staying, but would be surprised if he does.

@Texas-Hawk-10 agree on MJ... sucks tho. Obviously talented. But doesn't fit the system? Or coach? Idk. I'd be amazed if he doesn't transfer. Self has been much higher on BP than I think anyone else is. I see him taking Bobby over Yes if he has to choose... but idk if that's the right call or not.

I think MJ and Bobby stay. NIL is a big deal in these cases. Dropping a level also means a huge drop in income for these guys.

@BShark is he a freak athlete? If no, than forget it

Is he long? If no, than forget it

@FarmerJayhawk Bobby sucks - we need to push him out

@kuballin10 if he leaves it’ll be on his own accord. Gonna be a long offseason for fans who want a mass exodus.

@FarmerJayhawk hopefully Bill does so he can have legit athletes

@kuballin10 prepare to be disappointed. Maybe all offseason

Chemistry is important too! Really hurts if players are just in it for themselves. Right @BShark ?

@FarmerJayhawk that sucks than as hof’s job is to build the best roster not coddle kids who need to go to townsend

I am not entering the portal so I'll be back. I'm not very athletic, more round than long.

It's funny here how people just make predictions about so and so is gone or so and so is not going anywhere. Where are you getting this info? Jalen is the only for sure it sounds like? I've never heard anything definitive from Gradey. I'd guess he probably is, but his 2nd half soured some and he just might be the type who sticks around for more.

@wissox from @BShark and @FarmerJayhawk reading what they post 😄

@kuballin10 you might want to tune out until 24-25 then if you want a bunch of run jump athletes starting ¯_(ツ)_/¯. I would actually bet next year’s roster has fewer combine athletes than this one. The skill level should be through the roof but a combine team we are not. Arguably our two best pure athletes (Cuffe and Yes) are probably gone.

@wissox Gradey and Kevin are 100% gone. Cuffe and Cam also out the door. TBD on the others but my guess is Zach and Yesufu are gone as well.

I don’t disagree with @kuballin10 we are lacking athleticism compared to a lot of teams. But athleticism isn’t everything in basketball. KU always has great players that’s why they are always good. I said once before on here we don’t match the athleticism of several B12 teams like TCU, Texas, KSU and Baylor notice we split with all those teams because when you don’t have that edge athletically your margin for error is much smaller. Obviously we win the league and beat those teams once. But You can’t have the mental mistakes we had today and win.

Why are JWil and Kev definitively gone is my question? Neither has to go. Neither is ready to go. Both will play most likely overseas. I guess this part I just don't understand other than they've said they are going. But... why

@FarmerJayhawk I don’t want to be Kentucky with athletes and yet no skill there is a balance

We need long athletes. Cuffe is obviously bad, Joe isn’t 6-4 like Arkansas’ Davis

There is long and athletic plus quickness that all factor in

@kuballin10 like Kentucky?

@kuballin10 UK still in ATM just FYI. Lol

@cragarhawk 5 yrs

@Crimsonorblue22??

@cragarhawk red shirt?

@Crimsonorblue22 covid year? Neither is out of eligibility

4 yrs, one redshirt, j will

@Crimsonorblue22 Jwil could stay for 2 more years if I’m not mistaken. He broke his leg and could get a medical redshirt for it and add in a Covid year(listed as a junior). Kevin could have a extra year with Covid.

@Crimsonorblue22 read your mind huh

Bill with their talent (not this year) would have 3-5 titles heck he should have that here.

We should get the best players these next 4-7 years if Bill is here and yet Duke and uk and unc still load up…it’s pathetic

We’ve played them in champions classic and only once have we had the better athletes

@kuballin10 if BS had UKs, Baylor’s or Texas’ rosters he’s cutting down the nets this season.

@cragarhawk I’d assume they will make say $2-3m overseas versus say $150k-$300k here?

I may be off on numbers but I’d guess go make pro money now is more important

@kjayhawks exactly that’s my point so get out and recruit those type of athletes

Bill changed to 4 out now needs to change who he recruits

Can’t remember who said it whether here or 247 but Self was watching some high schools studs and honed in on Tyus Jones and how he controls the game. Give me the best player and make him great not some solid guy who isn’t the best.

Juan was great today but man we lacked big shots from a remy like last year to save us during droughts. Juan hit biggest one to get us to 54 but missing free throws and boarding defensively is why we lost

Relying on OAD talent is a recipe for Tournament disaster. In the portal era it’s better to get guys with experience. Maybe the they aren’t NBA guys exactly but they’ll win you a gazillion games. Even Cal’s title team had experience. Look at the last 15 years, not a lot of freshmen led teams won. You need veterans who know how to play together and have won.

@kuballin10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@cragarhawk I’d assume they will make say $2-3m overseas versus say $150k-$300k here?

I may be off on numbers but I’d guess go make pro money now is more important

$2 million would be a top 6 salary in Europe. $3 million would be top 3 in Europe. Unless you're a star player, Americans playing European basketball are making 6 figures if they're in a top league (Spain, Turkey, France, Italy, Israel) and 5 figures if you're in a smaller league or second division in a higher paying country.

There's a reason players hang around in G-League as long as possible because that's better paying than Europe is for at least 95% of players where that's an option.

@FarmerJayhawk yeah my post is in reference to any talent whether via portal or high school

Mccullar was good I’d rather had Council and Kendric heck or any big that was halfway capable of catching a pass and making a post move (no offense to Ernest he just is a year away)

@Texas-Hawk-10 so by that thought process Kevin should come back….

@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Why are JWil and Kev definitively gone is my question? Neither has to go. Neither is ready to go. Both will play most likely overseas. I guess this part I just don't understand other than they've said they are going. But... why

Wilson is a projected late 1st/early 2nd round pick. This is the highest his stock will likely. If he does sneak into the 1st round, a 1st round contract is guaranteed money for at least 2 years. Even if Wilson is pick number 30, that's about $4.5 million guaranteed which is more than he would make in Europe in several years.

McCullar might be looking at how offensively challenged KU could be next year and thinking that would hurt his chances of landing a two-way contract with someone.

@kuballin10 mine was too. All the champs from the last decade+ had experienced guys that knew how to play together. Fit and chemistry are super important. The pattern isn’t hard to deduce there. The team with the most raw talent almost never wins it all.

@Texas-Hawk-10 that actually provides some insight. I didn't realize a late first round/early second round guy was guaranteed that much $$ . Is that something new? I don't think JWil goes 1st round at all. But maybe early to mid 2nd. But still if it pays like that, no question. Go get the dollars while he can cause he's most likely a euro league within a couple years. As much as i admire him that just seems like the ceiling

@kuballin10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 so by that thought process Kevin should come back….

Depends on his though process. He's generally ranked in the 65-75 range on a lot of mock drafts sites for a possible late pick depending on need and combine performance. Even if he's not drafted, players in the ranger usually end up signing two-way contracts in the G-League. A two-way contract is half the rookie minimum salary which would mean a little over $500k if McCullar signed a two-way deal.

That's more than he'd make in NIL next season and with KU potentially taking a step back next season and potentially being a team that struggles to score, this might be a case of McCullar leaving when his draft stock is at its highest, even if that highest isn't being drafted. That's essentially the situation Wayne Selden was in when he left after his junior year.

$500k for a two-way contract looks like the most probable outcome for McCullar at this point which is also most likely his highest paying option.

@kuballin10 you really are a coach cal guy, no coaching just get the studs. No chemistry, every man for himself. I can tell u like those kind of players, me kinds of guys over team!

@Crimsonorblue22 why is it one way or the other? Who is to say you can't go get talent and coach them? We know we have a Coach. Why can't talent be the missing ingredient? May not need the one and done types. But surely better talent provides better ceiling. Language often referred to by Self and staff.

And also. CAL can coach. Don't be fooled

Cause Self doesn't want to be a one and done factory!

@FarmerJayhawk gotta have both but the studs or horses gotta be the athletes

Look at Bama they would prove this wrong unless you count quinerly

@Crimsonorblue22 all coaches want those type athletes. No ifs, ands, or butts

@Crimsonorblue22 do you even bother to read the threads or just throw out obnoxious preconceived thoughts to my posts?

Farmer is literally replying as we go back and forth and you chime in adding nothing to the convo but taking a shot at me. Solid

To answer this you gotta have both especially Self. He needs upper class man with some young studs. You need the best players whether they are freshman (see Brandon miller or Houston’s Walker) or through portal or whatever. Most 3-4 year guys are there for a reason and not the best players versus the 1 and domes but a team of 1 and dones doesn’t always winbthe title like @FarmerJayhawk said. Dukes with tyus Jones, jahlil okafor, Grayson Allen and Justise Winslow do prove that wrong.

@FarmerJayhawk The Duke team I mentioned challenges that, Nova was the most talented between them and unc a few years back but yes, the talent isn’t just all freshman it’s a mix of guys

@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 that actually provides some insight. I didn't realize a late first round/early second round guy was guaranteed that much $$ . Is that something new? I don't think JWil goes 1st round at all. But maybe early to mid 2nd. But still if it pays like that, no question. Go get the dollars while he can cause he's most likely a euro league within a couple years. As much as i admire him that just seems like the ceiling

All 1st round draft picks sign 4 year contracts. The first 2 years are fully guaranteed and years 3 and 4 are team options. Second round picks are not necessarily fully guaranteed and only have to be the rookie minimum which is a little over $1 million. Early second round picks usually get at least 1 year guaranteed, but not for $2+ million.

There are also quite a few reputable sites that have Jalen going in the 25-35 range. Combine showing and interviews will likely be the biggest determining factor in Jalen being able to sneak into the end of the 1st round.

@Texas-Hawk-10 great for him if he can do it. He definitely should. The reward is certainly over the risk. His stock is not apt to improve alot, maybe just a lil but playing the "if" game on getting hurt, etc

@kuballin10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@FarmerJayhawk The Duke team I mentioned challenges that, Nova was the most talented between them and unc a few years back but yes, the talent isn’t just all freshman it’s a mix of guys

Duke in 2015 had Quinn Cook, Amile Jefferson, Marshall Plumlee, and Matt Jones as rotation players. That's half of the rotation after Rasheed Sulaimon left the team. Over half, if count him the first half of the season. Cook was a senior and Jefferson and Plumlee were juniors. That team had experience.

@kuballin10 I'll throw some more out there! Brandon miller and our crowd would love tripper Allen! R u serious? We go for dtae, Svi Josh Jackson, b rush, Wiggs, embiid, Grady Dick. Oubre! Cole Aldrich. Sherron. Guys that don't need an armed guard and don't trip people or need a therapist. KU fans aren't big on Duke! Perfect for you though. They got to do their own research on the Zion debacle. Cleared themselves! Forgot Frank!

@kuballin10 it’s one example in the almost 20 years of the OAD era.

Nova had some talented dudes but they all stayed multiple years and played together. That’s how you build it. Jay didn’t really shoot for the can’t miss 5* guys. He got players with traits he could develop. He redshirted a lot of guys too. So I think that makes my point.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@kuballin10 I'll throw some more out there! Brandon miller and our crowd would love tripper Allen! R u serious? We go for dtae, Svi Josh Jackson, b rush, Wiggs, embiid, Grady Dick. Oubre! Cole Aldrich. Sherron. Guys that don't need an armed guard and don't trip people or need a therapist. KU fans aren't big on Duke! Perfect for you though. They got to do their own research on the Zion debacle. Cleared themselves!

Josh Jackson was a head case and so were the Morris twins early on.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Josh was shaky, didn't mention the twins.

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@wissox Gradey and Kevin are 100% gone. Cuffe and Cam also out the door. TBD on the others but my guess is Zach and Yesufu are gone as well.

This is a very good guess. MJ and Joe have decisions to make. Could see Joe wanting to go to a level where he gets to shine a bit more.

If 4 leave it lets you bring in two starter level guys. Then boom, contender again.

@Crimsonorblue22 Josh Jackson had legal issues here.. Brannen Green. LeGerald Vick. Carlton Bragg.

Morris Twins nearly beat a guy to death.

KU has their own issues with players.

We could argue raw talent vs experience vs whatever all day.

What KU lacked this year was any semblance of depth. Period.

KU needs to have 7 or 8 guys who can play basketball at this level. Idc if they are freshman or seniors. But this year was honestly unacceptable. The transfer portal and NIL should almost guarantee KU has 7 dudes who can play. We didn’t this year, and I felt like it cost us big time.

@Kcmatt7 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

We could argue raw talent vs experience vs whatever all day.

What KU lacked this year was any semblance of depth. Period.

KU needs to have 7 or 8 guys who can play basketball at this level. Idc if they are freshman or seniors. But this year was honestly unacceptable. The transfer portal and NIL should almost guarantee KU has 7 dudes who can play. We didn’t this year, and I felt like it cost us big time.

Really unfortunate. Part of it is on Bill. He kept Cam and Cuffe around after last year. If you replace them with two other guys that might contribute, it just increases the chance of having some decent guys on the bench. This ended up being important because Zach and Bob did not develop like the staff would have hoped. Zach was expected to start. It's fairly rare that the staff misses that badly, to be quite honest.

So I think they definitely expected to have a more playable bench this year. It didn't work out. Hopefully Bill is ready to cut loose the dead weight. It's a business and "contracts" with players are year to year more than ever now.

@BShark It almost seems like you’d be better off recruiting college players than high schoolers. Take 5-6 transfers and 1-2 quality freshmen. No time for disappearing acts on the big stage. Let some other team develop the players, then poach what you want with offers of glory and NIL money that the little schools can’t touch. It’s the Wild West of the free agency period in college basketball. The ncaa has no idea what unregulated payments will do. Hint it’s not spread the wealth. The current big boys will only get more exclusive and the bottom feeders will get markedly worse.

@dylans We are already seeing a bit of a shift to this with big programs. Bill has filled in the gaps as needed. Got his main guy in Kevin to fill a starting spot this year. Big class the year before with two real contributors on the title team. I'm counting JCL, who could have played more but was serviceable when he did. As 8th guys go, he was good. This year I feel like we need two starters, and that Self gets it done.

@Texas-Hawk-10 you can’t be serious when none of those guys played big minutes. Having experience with a senior connor Teahan or Amir Jefferson who hardly play is not “experience”

Can’t believe you even attempted to argue that as 4 true freshman for Duke dominated and won it all

@Crimsonorblue22 Id rather win with high character guys but you can’t always pick that

Every guy you listed I love way more than miller and allen

@BShark Portal should be Bill’s favorite thing. Proven d1 experience that can come here right away and pick it up quick

@kuballin10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 you can’t be serious when none of those guys played big minutes. Having experience with a senior connor Teahan or Amir Jefferson who hardly play is not “experience”

Can’t believe you even attempted to argue that as 4 true freshman for Duke dominated and won it all

That was also the last time it happened. More importantly KU doesn't have the resources to pull that kind of class (3 top 10 type guys) plus you need the class to actually be good which is no guarantee as we saw this year. Outside of a few guys this year was devoid of elite play from FR.

KU tried very hard to get Jones and Okafor. Off the record, Jones may have been Bill's most wanted PG recruit ever. Duke gonna Duke though.

@kuballin10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark Portal should be Bill’s favorite thing. Proven d1 experience that can come here right away and pick it up quick

Yeah I think we add two starter level guys this offseason.

@kuballin10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 you can’t be serious when none of those guys played big minutes. Having experience with a senior connor Teahan or Amir Jefferson who hardly play is not “experience”

Can’t believe you even attempted to argue that as 4 true freshman for Duke dominated and won it all

Maybe you should actually go look at the numbers for that team and get back to me. That team had an 8 man rotation after Rasheed Sulaimon left. I don't know about you, but starting 2/3 of the games and averaging 21 minutes per game doesn't sound like hardly playing, which is what Amile Jefferson played. I don't know what your threshold for hardly playing is, but if being a starter and playing over half a game isn't big minutes, then you have a very different standard than anyone else.

If you want to argue that Mason Plumlee didn't play big minutes, that's fine, but he was a rotation player playing just under 10 minutes per game. That also means you can't claim Grayson Allen played and dominated when he averaged less minutes than Plumlee and only averaged 4 ppg.

But since you couldn't be bothered to look up a kid's name or what class he was in, Amile Jefferson was a junior that year by the way, that just hurt your own credibility.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Jefferson started yet only played 21 mpg. He contributed but they could have ran you and me out there and won.

Check what Allen did in the tourney because it was 4 ppg. I vividly remember either the final 4 game or title game where he had double digits and stepped up (he’s a turd)

@BShark Bill gettin soft? Lol

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@kuballin10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark Portal should be Bill’s favorite thing. Proven d1 experience that can come here right away and pick it up quick

Yeah I think we add two starter level guys this offseason.

Not enough tbh

@kuballin10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Jefferson started yet only played 21 mpg. He contributed but they could have ran you and me out there and won.

Check what Allen did in the tourney because it was 4 ppg. I vividly remember either the final 4 game or title game where he had double digits and stepped up (he’s a turd)

Now you're changing the argument because the facts didn't match up with your original point so now you have to move the goalposts. Freshmen absolutely helped Duke win, but they also don't win that title without their upperclassmen so no, they couldn't put you or me out there and still win.

@kuballin10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark Bill gettin soft? Lol

I think coming off the title he was definitely a bit soft in terms of axing non-KU level players.

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@kuballin10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark Portal should be Bill’s favorite thing. Proven d1 experience that can come here right away and pick it up quick

Yeah I think we add two starter level guys this offseason.

Not enough tbh

Hard to expect too much more than that. I think it gets you to where we are accustom to with a decent bench.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
McCullar might be looking at how offensively challenged KU could be next year and thinking that would hurt his chances of landing a two-way contract with someone.

I hadnt thought about it this way. Figured he is next up with Jalen and Gradey gone, and still has Juan to facilitate.

Was asking exact same q in other thread. You guys are on top of it already.

@BShark

I guess it will depend on the departures and who they can get.

KU has 2 1/2 starters coming back with Udeh the 1/2 since he is playing behind KJ.

Elmarko will be exciting but I also wonder about growing pains since he is ball dominant and will have to learn to play off Juan. I see it working since he will have the ball in his hands plenty even with Juan but it's going to take time.

Zuby has promise as your 3rd big. That's 4 guys I have trust in. You need 3 to 4 more.

The rest will never start here. Yikes

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark

I guess it will depend on the departures and who they can get.

KU has 2 1/2 starters coming back with Udeh the 1/2 since he is playing behind KJ.

Elmarko will be exciting but I also wonder about growing pains since he is ball dominant and will have to learn to play off Juan. I see it working since he will have the ball in his hands plenty even with Juan but it's going to take time.

Zuby has promise as your 3rd big. That's 4 guys I have trust in. You need 3 to 4 more.

The rest will never start here. Yikes

So you don't think top 40 recruit Chris Johnson ever starts for KU? As a freshman, I don't see him starting, but after Harris leaves and Elmarko slides over to the 1, Chris Johnson is the guy who moves in the 2 spot. At least I assume that's what the multi-year plan is for him.

I'm also not going to completely rule out Jamari McDowell starting eventually either as we've all seen several players with his profile and ranking start later on in their careers at KU under Self.

When is the annul banquet?

@Texas-Hawk-10

Sorry I meant Bobby, Joe, MJ.

I really think McDowell will be good here at some point. Really interested to see how he does this offseason because I could see him getting minutes but it's too early to tell.

I'm not sold Chris will be mature enough to handle the coaching and his emotions on the court. It's a huge concern. I'll hope for the best. He didn't exactly have a banner year at Montverde, playing PG on a stacked team. He didn't start if I recall either. Probably a 2 guard here that can handle the ball like Self likes. He's turnover prone as well. Thinking he's going to be a bit of a project but if he puts it together I'll be excited to see what happens.

@BeddieKU23 If MJ comes back, I wouldn't completely rule him out as a possible starter with his talent ceiling being very high.

I see Harris at the pg, Adam’s at center. Elmarko starting sg…. I think we land 2 transfer guards. Both high level guys that start at the 3 and 4. Small potential our 2024 guy reclassifies and battles for the 4 spot…… udeh and zuby back up bigs……. Chris J and hopefully another transfer guard off the bench. Reality self will probably still have Bobby or yesfu back but they should both be gone… I’m pretty confident zach, cuffe will be gone. I don’t see mj rice upside. He’s strong but he’s not very laterally quick, he’s not fluid with the ball and seems awkward. Shot doesn’t look elite. I rather him transfer….. this team lost really bc of no depth at the guard. Bobby yesfu and mj rice were awful this year. One good bench guard would have changed KUs chances

@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark It almost seems like you’d be better off recruiting college players than high schoolers. Take 5-6 transfers and 1-2 quality freshmen. No time for disappearing acts on the big stage. Let some other team develop the players, then poach what you want with offers of glory and NIL money that the little schools can’t touch. It’s the Wild West of the free agency period in college basketball. The ncaa has no idea what unregulated payments will do. Hint it’s not spread the wealth. The current big boys will only get more exclusive and the bottom feeders will get markedly worse.

I saw this somewhere, and find it to be true.

“There aren’t any pros in the transfer portal.”

That’s why you add HS guys. You aren’t poaching many guys with NBA potential. You can win without those guys, but it’s significantly harder… I also think you can add better bench guys through HS. Plus good transfer portal guys are twice as hard to get. The line is longer and the NIL more expensive.

Do NOT rule out Udeh starting at the 5 next year and KJ coming off the bench. All I will say on the matter.

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Do NOT rule out Udeh starting at the 5 next year and KJ coming off the bench. All I will say on the matter.

This would be the ideal development. But would be fine with KJ starting and Udeh off the bench. Ultimately I think that gets split 50-50. And you’ll see a few minutes a game with them on the floor together.

Marcus Adams officially reclassing to 23.

@BShark wow on Udeh

To quote Clark Kellogg, they want more linth and strinth at the 5

@Kcmatt7 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark It almost seems like you’d be better off recruiting college players than high schoolers. Take 5-6 transfers and 1-2 quality freshmen. No time for disappearing acts on the big stage. Let some other team develop the players, then poach what you want with offers of glory and NIL money that the little schools can’t touch. It’s the Wild West of the free agency period in college basketball. The ncaa has no idea what unregulated payments will do. Hint it’s not spread the wealth. The current big boys will only get more exclusive and the bottom feeders will get markedly worse.

I saw this somewhere, and find it to be true.

“There aren’t any pros in the transfer portal.”

That’s why you add HS guys. You aren’t poaching many guys with NBA potential. You can win without those guys, but it’s significantly harder… I also think you can add better bench guys through HS. Plus good transfer portal guys are twice as hard to get. The line is longer and the NIL more expensive.

Yes and no on that quote. There's absolutely NBA potential in the portal. It's usually guys like Jalen Wilson (obviously I know he's not a transfer), Kevin McCullar, or a Quentin Grimes that have some defects in their game that by spending another year in school, whether their original school or elsewhere, can absolutely make them draftable players. You also have players moving up from low and mid majors to boost their visibility and get on NBA radars.

I'm not going to say those players are plentiful each year because they're not, but there's usually a few players like that each season in the portal.

If that quote is supposed to mean nobody with NBA potential in that specific draft is going to be in the portal, then I'll agree with that.

@BShark

Can't see this full time, Udeh is a walking foul

@FarmerJayhawk lol🤣

@BeddieKU23 moving foul

@BeddieKU23 I think as long as Zuby stays, the 5 spot has the depth to handle Udeh starting and getting as many minutes as his 5 fouls will allow.

Also fully expect both of those guys to make massive strides this off-season.

Like whatever strides the staff expected from Zach I expect to actually happen from Udeh and Zuby

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Sorry I meant Bobby, Joe, MJ.

I really think McDowell will be good here at some point. Really interested to see how he does this offseason because I could see him getting minutes but it's too early to tell.

I'm not sold Chris will be mature enough to handle the coaching and his emotions on the court. It's a huge concern. I'll hope for the best. He didn't exactly have a banner year at Montverde, playing PG on a stacked team. He didn't start if I recall either. Probably a 2 guard here that can handle the ball like Self likes. He's turnover prone as well. Thinking he's going to be a bit of a project but if he puts it together I'll be excited to see what happens.

CJ isn’t going to see the floor much as a freshman just based on what we’re seeing at prep school. Emotions or not.

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark

Can't see this full time, Udeh is a walking foul

Back up 5's under Self have always been walking foul machines. Once they move into the starting line up, or a role that requires extended minutes, the foul rate always drops quite a bit.

I think Udeh and Kj could both start next season. I think MJ has a ton of upside if he can develop over the summer. Juan, Adams, MJ, KJ and Udeh is a good line up

@kjayhawks said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

I think Udeh and Kj could both start next season.

No.

@kjayhawks said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
I think MJ has a ton of upside if he can develop over the summer. Juan, Adams, MJ, KJ and Udeh is a good line up

YUCK. Ball handling and shooting would both be ATROCIOUS.

@BShark 3 point shooting is my biggest concern for next season. If some of our bigs develop size will be better. MJ can shoot, he looked great against seton hall the game I was at. He just couldn’t catch a break off the court with injuries and illness. I think he has a ton of upside, we need to hit the portal to get a couple of shooters.

@kjayhawks I'm completely meh on if he returns or not at this point. Can't expect someone to go from under 200 minutes played + planted in the dog house to respectable starter.

Playing KJ next to Udeh is asking to not score ever.

I'm with you on the portal part lol. They need to be starters but like @FarmerJayhawk said in the other thread if things go as expected people will be pretty happy with who we get.

@BShark I hope he stays personally but you never know. Let’s hope y’all are right on the portal.

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@kjayhawks said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

I think Udeh and Kj could both start next season.

No.

@kjayhawks said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:
I think MJ has a ton of upside if he can develop over the summer. Juan, Adams, MJ, KJ and Udeh is a good line up

YUCK. Ball handling and shooting would both be ATROCIOUS.

That's a line up that would struggle to score and I'll leave it at that.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I personally feel like we are headed towards Ted Owens last decade of struggle. I think that group would have trouble scoring but would play defense and rebound well.

@kjayhawks and shoot free throws.

I think the starting lineup should be me and any 4 of you who are over 60. You know, people who give a crap about the college game and aren't 100% focused on the NBA $$$. People who can shoot free throws. People who give a crap about KU.

You may notice that my attitude is not particularly great. You would be correct.

That game was not Bill Self's fault, not Norm Robert's fault. Strictly on the folks who don't want to be in Lawrence anymore.

The 60+ crowd will remember Danny Manning (the Senior) stepping up to the free throw line at the end of the game and every one of us thought "We just won the National Championship! "(Before he shot the free throws)

Towards the end of yesterday's game, a junior stepped to the line and I thought "Welp. We're screwd".

Ok. I'll crawl back in my hole.

@nuleafjhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@kjayhawks and shoot free throws.

Juan, KJ, and Udeh are all 60% or worse FT shooters.

@Texas-Hawk-10 KJ improved during the season and was the best yesterday

Jalen and Kev both missed front ends of 1 and 1’s in second half and Juan went 1/2.

Can’t make those mistakes and get away with winning unless we are at AFH which masks a lot

This team had enough to win it all just couldn’t get it done. I feel bad for Jalen seeing that video of him walking off hurt bad…dude gave it his all and @nuleafjhawk Jalen cared so hope you aren’t referencing him

What hurt this team was Bill missing on bigs. Having Clemence in the program for a whole year and thinking he will start only to be completely awful especially athletically tells me they drastically whiffed on him even with seeing him in practice and limited minutes his frosh year

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Can’t expect someone to go from under 200 minutes played + planted in the dog house to respectable starter.
Playing KJ next to Udeh is asking to not score ever.

The very definition of irony perhaps...since KJ played 178 mins last year and became a reliable starter? (Wasn't in a dog house, though, so I guess we can cut you a little slack!)

@mayjay said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Can’t expect someone to go from under 200 minutes played + planted in the dog house to respectable starter.
Playing KJ next to Udeh is asking to not score ever.

The very definition of irony perhaps...since KJ played 178 mins last year and became a reliable starter? (Wasn't in a dog house, though, so I guess we can cut you a little slack!)

I hear you there and guys can improve big time frosh to soph year but I lean with @Texas-Hawk-10 on this one.

Hearing mj just randomly tell Bill at halftimes he can’t go cause his back after he warmed up ect just makes me think Bill doesn’t respect his work ethic and competitiveness. Things got tough in college and he backed down.

@nuleafjhawk nothing wrong with being pissed off after the epic collapse that was yesterday.

@nuleafjhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

I think the starting lineup should be me and any 4 of you who are over 60. You know, people who give a crap about the college game and aren't 100% focused on the NBA $$$. People who can shoot free throws. People who give a crap about KU.

You may notice that my attitude is not particularly great. You would be correct.

That game was not Bill Self's fault, not Norm Robert's fault. Strictly on the folks who don't want to be in Lawrence anymore.

The 60+ crowd will remember Danny Manning (the Senior) stepping up to the free throw line at the end of the game and every one of us thought "We just won the National Championship! "(Before he shot the free throws)

Towards the end of yesterday's game, a junior stepped to the line and I thought "Welp. We're screwd".

Ok. I'll crawl back in my hole.

We will need a bigger roster and more time outs. Sub in/out after every two trips up and down the floor….🥵

@kjayhawks how do you think the players feel? We care but I didn’t sweat one time running stairs in AFH in 90 degree heat for multiple years like Jalen

@mayjay said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Can’t expect someone to go from under 200 minutes played + planted in the dog house to respectable starter.
Playing KJ next to Udeh is asking to not score ever.

The very definition of irony perhaps...since KJ played 178 mins last year and became a reliable starter? (Wasn't in a dog house, though, so I guess we can cut you a little slack!)

Doghouse part is definitely key. Advanced stats were good for KJ last year despite limited minutes. Plus Bill trusted him to close out the title game.

Shot selection.

@kuballin10 I’m sure they ain’t happy but the difference is you and I had no control over what happened yesterday. I tell my son all the time there are some tests in life you only get one chance to take. The tournament is one of those.

Yeah we had our one shot and didn’t get it done. Sucks with way tourney is shaping up.

Hope we get longer and more athletic and develop a big or go portaling for one

@Kcmatt7 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark It almost seems like you’d be better off recruiting college players than high schoolers. Take 5-6 transfers and 1-2 quality freshmen. No time for disappearing acts on the big stage. Let some other team develop the players, then poach what you want with offers of glory and NIL money that the little schools can’t touch. It’s the Wild West of the free agency period in college basketball. The ncaa has no idea what unregulated payments will do. Hint it’s not spread the wealth. The current big boys will only get more exclusive and the bottom feeders will get markedly worse.

I saw this somewhere, and find it to be true.

“There aren’t any pros in the transfer portal.”

That’s why you add HS guys. You aren’t poaching many guys with NBA potential. You can win without those guys, but it’s significantly harder… I also think you can add better bench guys through HS. Plus good transfer portal guys are twice as hard to get. The line is longer and the NIL more expensive.

I’m not thinking of the NBA as the main measuring stick. Gradey is an NBA talent. Xavier was an nba player. McCullar is not. Remy is not. I’d say McCullar and Remy were far more impactful for KU. The draft is about filling the nba pipeline which is based on potential that may never be reached. College transfers are a proven commodity. I’d sure try to snag a few multi-year guys like Braun, Ochai to build your team around and establish culture. The OADs I’d prefer would be transfers if they aren’t top 10 talent.

@Gorilla72 LOL. The game will be a much slower pace!

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

KU tried very hard to get Jones and Okafor. Off the record, Jones may have been Bill's most wanted PG recruit ever. Duke gonna Duke though.

I'd put that as Marcus Smart.

@Texas-Hawk-10

Troubling to see Harris under 60%. He doesn't look like a confident shooter at the line. Something he will have to address this offseason

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Troubling to see Harris under 60%. He doesn't look like a confident shooter at the line. Something he will have to address this offseason

Even if things go as expected with the portal next year could be an adventure at the FT line.

@BShark

Usually is every year for Self teams

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark

Usually is every year for Self teams

I mean worse than normal lol. Usually we are around 71-72% as a team.

We have had some odd cases over the years though. 2020 was a very good team but 67% from the line which was below the top 300. 2017 was a top 6 team from 3 point range but 68% from the line. Two of the worst FT shooting teams in the Self era.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/highschool/story/2023-02-01/marcus-adams-jr-narbonne-high-star-basketball-player ↗

Lord have mercy

@BShark - “chip on his shoulder”. Gotta like that!

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Troubling to see Harris under 60%. He doesn't look like a confident shooter at the line. Something he will have to address this offseason

What's weird is that he was around 80% his first two years. Not sure what caused his dip in %.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Troubling to see Harris under 60%. He doesn't look like a confident shooter at the line. Something he will have to address this offseason

What's weird is that he was around 80% his first two years. Not sure what caused his dip in %.

Not sure how much it would impact him in regards to the FT line but he has been really banged up this year.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/highschool/story/2023-02-01/marcus-adams-jr-narbonne-high-star-basketball-player ↗

Heard some people speculating about Caleb Love. Not happening. He wants to go pro but will likely end up at Mizzou. WOOF.

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Heard some people speculating about Caleb Love. Not happening. He wants to go pro but will likely end up at Mizzou. WOOF.

Tarholes cutting him loose?

@BShark a divorce seems highly likely, yeah

@wissox said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

I’ve never heard anything definitive from Gradey. I’d guess he probably is, but his 2nd half soured some and he just might be the type who sticks around for more.

If he leaves his legacy is he was our only starting 5 starter who didn't make double digits in the game that knocked us out.

Fans have memories... and they tend to be critical memories. For most of our OAD players they were never a KU guy before coming here.

I'm going out on a limb... and saying he is coming back!

Call me a sucka... but he said he was always KU growing up and he dreamed about this moment. Right now... not much of a dream what went down.

What we need is for him to come back and while he is at it... call Kevin and convince him to return. Then... with our recruiting class we are ranked in Top 5 start of next year (and actually deserve it)!

Then he will make his mark at KU.... he can build his body and become a higher draft pick next year regardless of strength of draft. He spends the summer slurping on pea protein and pumping iron. Look what it did for JWil... consensus All American?

Bill is turning up the heat.

@BShark something about to pop?

@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark something about to pop?

Things are going to happen fast. Bill isn't playing.

@BShark exodus? Or incoming? Or both?

@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark exodus? Or incoming? Or both?

Both.

@BShark 3 incoming transfers or just the two redbirds?

@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark 3 incoming transfers or just the two redbirds?

2-3. Would think 2 at this juncture.

@BShark he better not be playing this offseason because our rivals are still playing while we are at home. Every radio station in the state is continuously jerking off Tang and the mild cats. One year of that Bull S is as much as I care to hear.

@kjayhawks said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark he better not be playing this offseason because our rivals are still playing while we are at home. Every radio station in the state is continuously jerking off Tang and the mild cats. One year of that Bull S is as much as I care to hear.

You already knew that would be the case. - Every ONCE in about a decade they have a fairly decent team. We shall see how good they are NEXT season since the two studs of that team is gone after this year. -Let them thump their chest a minute cause in a heart beat they will be throwing all the sweatshirts - -hats- -jacket and anything else back in the closet not to be seen after this year for ANOTHER TEN YEARS or longer.

Just like the ol saying goes " The Sun has to shine on a dogs ass sometime " - this is the year for the sun to shine on that purple ass. One year or quality team and they think they are instant blue blood. Let them win consistently yr after yr for like 10 years then maybe they would have something. - They have ONE year. - THIS TO SHALL PASS - - SO LET IT BE WRITTEN - - SO LET IT BE DONE.-- -ROCK CHALK BUDDY

@drgnslayr said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@wissox said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

I’ve never heard anything definitive from Gradey. I’d guess he probably is, but his 2nd half soured some and he just might be the type who sticks around for more.

If he leaves his legacy is he was our only starting 5 starter who didn't make double digits in the game that knocked us out.

Fans have memories... and they tend to be critical memories. For most of our OAD players they were never a KU guy before coming here.

I'm going out on a limb... and saying he is coming back!

Call me a sucka... but he said he was always KU growing up and he dreamed about this moment. Right now... not much of a dream what went down.

What we need is for him to come back and while he is at it... call Kevin and convince him to return. Then... with our recruiting class we are ranked in Top 5 start of next year (and actually deserve it)!

Then he will make his mark at KU.... he can build his body and become a higher draft pick next year regardless of strength of draft. He spends the summer slurping on pea protein and pumping iron. Look what it did for JWil... consensus All American?

LOL , OH my friend you REALLY need to slowly put the pipe down and slowly back away. Listen closely -- listen- - there is NO WAY NONE that Grady is coming back .You might as well get over it it's ok - we will be just fine without Grady. -He put in his one year and now moving on to bigger and better things for him. - -Lik ol what's his name -- Aaron said - -R - -E- -L - - - A - X things gonna work out lol

One down with Cam Martin out the door.

We hardly knew ya...

@FarmerJayhawk

Painful watching Caleb Love Jack up shots all year. That dude doesn't care about playing for a team

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@FarmerJayhawk

Painful watching Caleb Love Jack up shots all year. That dude doesn't care about playing for a team

He can't come here. I won't allow it.

@Jethro

I won't either, glad we didn't get him first go around

Well another day another transfer huh? Lol

I actually thought Yes might stick around. Is MJ next? Or does this move imply he is gonna stay?

@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Well another day another transfer huh? Lol

I actually thought Yes might stick around. Is MJ next? Or does this move imply he is gonna stay?

MJ and Cuffe will be entering.

Spencer Jones. I wonder who we're going to get in the portal? We need a 6'8" guy, just like Jalen. Spencer Jones. He has to be able to shoot. Spencer Jones. He's got to able to defend. Spencer Jones. He has to be able to be a scorer, because he's going to need to lead us in scoring. Spencer Jones. Anybody have any idea who we can get?

@Jethro

Spencer isn't the ideal Jalen replacement, his value would be more or less replacing the shooting of Gradey. He can really shoot, spot up and off the dribble in rhythm. He could definitely be your #3, 4th kind of option, ideally

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Jethro

Spencer isn't the ideal Jalen replacement, his value would be more or less replacing the shooting of Gradey. He can really shoot, spot up and off the dribble in rhythm. He could definitely be your #3, 4th kind of option, ideally

Yeah I like how the rumored pieces fit together. Not the best athletes for two of them but you are looking at getting a crafty playmaker 4 and two 38-40% three point shooter types. With the guard if things break perfectly being pretty athletic and a guy that can get his own when the set breaks down.

@BShark Boy, I can't wait for the freaking Masked Prospects to get revealed. All these little crumbs...like waiting for a Top 40 countdown back in the 60's when they took 4 hours to get to the top while hinting at a revolutionary new Number 1 and playing only 10 two-and-a-half minute songs each hour!

@Jethro said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Spencer Jones. I wonder who we're going to get in the portal? We need a 6'8" guy, just like Jalen. Spencer Jones. He has to be able to shoot. Spencer Jones. He's got to able to defend. Spencer Jones. He has to be able to be a scorer, because he's going to need to lead us in scoring. Spencer Jones. Anybody have any idea who we can get?

NOPE - - NOT A CLUE LOL

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Jethro

Spencer isn't the ideal Jalen replacement, his value would be more or less replacing the shooting of Gradey. He can really shoot, spot up and off the dribble in rhythm. He could definitely be your #3, 4th kind of option, ideally

He' made the Pac 12 all defensive team a few times. Defense was never Jalen's strong suit, so we could be better at the 4 next year on that end. He's not the driver JW was, for sure.

My two cents: You combine Elmarko ( love that name) with a Spencer Jones, and we got something cooking. Need one more defensive player that can shoot at the 3, and we might be in business.

@Jethro

Agree I forgot to add the defensive stuff for him. We are definitely not replacing Kev's defense with one guy but Jones probably has a good baseline of defensive skill that Self can work with, if that's what happens.

Here's one Stanford fan on Jones. I think we'd take all of this in a heartbeat.

He’ll go down as one of my all time favorites. Played like a stud with a splint on a finger that was clearly bothering him. Hit clutch threes, took it hard to the rack, made great cuts, played tenacious defense, and fought for every rebound. He epitomized Haase’s mantra of tough, invested, and selfless. He was the beating heart of this team all year, and it was no different tonight. Whenever we needed a big play, it seemed he was the guy to make it. I’ll miss seeing him in Cardinal and White (or the ugly black uniforms) but I wish him well in his next adventure.

Jones has a <40" vertical so HARD PASS /s

Sometimes dudes can just play ball, measurables be damned.

Jones has 13 20+ scoring games in the last two years. He's continued to improve all 4 years. Year 5 could be another leap. Who knows

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Jones has a <40" vertical so HARD PASS /s

Sometimes dudes can just play ball, measurables be damned.

The shot goes in, I don't care how lol

@mayjay said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark Boy, I can't wait for the freaking Masked Prospects to get revealed. All these little crumbs...like waiting for a Top 40 countdown back in the 60's when they took 4 hours to get to the top while hinting at a revolutionary new Number 1 and playing only 10 two-and-a-half minute songs each hour!

I wasted hours of my life listening to programs like that in my youth.

Looking more into the fit of the Stanford 2, I think Haase used them all wrong, maybe out of necessity. Their most common starting lineup last year had Jones at the 2 and Ingram at the 3. Like what. And their PG was ATROCIOUS. Like a PER below 10 bad. Obviously a lineup that disjointed would keep the numbers down. Surprisingly their offensive output was pretty good. Angel and Jones were very good shooters, and Ingram was a solid utility guy. But holy crap when you start 3 forwards and a center with a bad PG things are going to be ugly. I think better floor spacing and a PG that is actually pretty damn good will unlock a lot of potential in those guys.

If you look just at minutes played last year: Jones (6'7 wing), Ingram (6'8 wing, more like a 4), Michael Jones (6'5, one dimensional shooter), Angel (6'8 wing), O'Connell (6'2 PG), Maxime Reynaud (7'1 C). No wonder they sucked.

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@wissox Yeah Cole is great lol

Do I have delusions of grandeur or does Udeh have the potential to be a monster? Like a more athletic Doke....

I'm actually excited to see where that goes.

I have our corny catch phrase at the ready.

"We Ernestly believe!" How bout it? 😁

@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Do I have delusions of grandeur or does Udeh have the potential to be a monster? Like a more athletic Doke....

I'm actually excited to see where that goes.

I have our corny catch phrase at the ready.

"We Ernestly believe!" How bout it? 😁

He has great hands and instincts. I think he can be special as well.

@BShark just need to learn to set screens!

Shoot 1000 made shots a day

@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Do I have delusions of grandeur or does Udeh have the potential to be a monster? Like a more athletic Doke....

I'm actually excited to see where that goes.

I have our corny catch phrase at the ready.

"We Ernestly believe!" How bout it? 😁

I don't think he's more athletic than Doke and he hasn't shown any ability to make a shot outside of 5 feet like Doke. Udeh does have the potential to be a very good college player by his junior or senior season.

He did pretty well in limited minutes for a frosh Big here tho right? I mean don't we kinda need to look at it in that light? Hasn't been alot of KU freshman Big that shined

@Texas-Hawk-10 could be misremembering on my part and I'll admit that up front. But I would submit Doke wasn't ridiculous outside of 5 ft as a freshman either

@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 could be misremembering on my part and I'll admit that up front. But I would submit Doke wasn't ridiculous outside of 5 ft as a freshman either

Doke was never good outside of 5 feet. With his size, I don't think Self is going to focus much on developing that part of Udeh's game either and with Udeh only being a 40% FT shooter this year, would probably be a fruitless endeavor anyway. Udeh as a freshman was also nowhere near the rebounder or shot blocker that Doke was either.

@Texas-Hawk-10 or was he? Per minute? I'd have to research that. I feel like Doke played ALOT more. Udeh gets after the ball a lot. Disrupts defensively almost all the time. Something he would obviously have to back down on a Lil. Like pick his moments if he were playing more obviously

@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 or was he? Per minute? I'd have to research that. I feel like Doke played ALOT more. Udeh gets after the ball a lot. Disrupts defensively almost all the time. Something he would obviously have to back down on a Lil. Like pick his moments if he were playing more obviously

I'm using advanced stats when comparing their numbers. Doke as a freshman only played 11 games and was against non-confernce teams. Doke had a 26.3% defensive rebounding rate meaning when he was on defense, he got just over 1/4 of every rebound on the defensive end of the floor. Doke also had an 18.7% total rebounding rate meaning he got a little under 1/5 of every rebound while he was on the floor. Udeh on the other hand had rebounding rates of 13.2% on defense and 12.1% overall meaning Udeh got about 1/8 rebounds. Doke also had a block rate over 12% meaning he blocked 1 out of every 8 shots he defended while Udeh had a block rate of 7.7% meaning Udeh blocked about 1 out of every 12 shots he defended.

So Doke was quite a bit ahead of Udeh in those areas as freshmen. I'm sure Doke's numbers probably would've reduced some had he stayed healthy his freshmen year, but still would've been significantly better than Udeh.

Zuby Ejiofor is actually the one with the comparable numbers to Doke in those areas as a freshman. Zuby had 24% defensive rebounding rate, 19.1% total rebounding rate, and a block rate of 12.5%. Zuby is actually the better Doke comparison of KU's two freshmen big men last season.

@Texas-Hawk-10 oh nice. You definitely put in the work I was unwilling to. Haha. Maybe I do have some delusions of grandeur then. I just "Ernestly" like watchin the kid play 😊

@Texas-Hawk-10 I see that Zuby's rate was 24% drb and 19.1% trb. So perhaps we should not look at Udeh, but at Zuby for a Doke clone!

Edit: did you add the Zuby stuff while I was off looking it up? Or did I miss it? Anyway, I see you said it!

@cragarhawk Here is the reference for these stats. Scroll down to the Advanced chart.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/kansas/men/2023.html ↗

What’s the story with Matas Buzelis?

@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

What’s the story with Matas Buzelis?

He's very good at basketball.

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

What’s the story with Matas Buzelis?

He's very good at basketball.

Getting away from Brewster helped him. Things were interesting there

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

What’s the story with Matas Buzelis?

He's very good at basketball.

Where’s he going? KU recruit him at all?

@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

What’s the story with Matas Buzelis?

He's very good at basketball.

Where’s he going? KU recruit him at all?

Oh that's what you meant. The NBA directly.

We did! Not enough money.

I know we don't necessarily need a big... but I would go get Hunter Dickinson just because....

Also heard a rumor that McCullar may not go after all. Not sure the validity

@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

I know we don't necessarily need a big... but I would go get Hunter Dickinson just because....

Bill wants a big. Hunter should move to the top of the board you would think.

@BShark especially one that can hit from outside. I would say he wasn't at his best this season. I watched Michigan quite a bit and I think that whole team was just so incohesive for whatever reason. It put all of them in a different funk on any given night

If Hunter Dickinson has interest in KU, you make room for him. Self or someone else should already have been on phone pitching him on a spot here.

because he is a game changer for someone and at a place like KU where Self loves playing through the post, Dickinson could be a national player of the year candidate here. Adams, Udeh, and Ejiofor are not at that level of good yet.

That said, I don't think Dickinson will be wearing crimson and blue next season. Kentucky or Georgetown are likely the landing spots for Dickinson. Kentucky will likely be dependent on Oscar Tshiebwe leaving which sounds likely at this point and Georgetown is a strong contender because Dickinson is from the DC area and have a good coach in Ed Cooley who will be looking to get Georgetown turned around in a hurry. Dickinson would be that guy for Cooley.

@Texas-Hawk-10 this all makes sense. But we have 1 thing going that the others don't necessarily and that's winning. That's why he went back to Michigan this season and it didn't happen. He could be feeling a Lil hungry. CS is hopefully preparing to throw the proverbial kitchen sink as we speak or already has

@Texas-Hawk-10 Syracuse is a dark horse here too.

He surely isn't gonna wanna rebuild Gtown... Cooley is a terrific coach imo but that's not happening overnight. HD wants to win now I think. Syracuse? Kind of same story?

@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Texas-Hawk-10 this all makes sense. But we have 1 thing going that the others don't necessarily and that's winning. That's why he went back to Michigan this season and it didn't happen. He could be feeling a Lil hungry. CS is hopefully preparing to throw the proverbial kitchen sink as we speak or already has

UK and Michigan were his final two out of high school. UK can offer more NIL money than anyone else. Oscar Tshiebwe is the hurdle there and it sounds like he's strongly leaning towards beginning his pro career.

Georgetown is home and their NIL program is also very strong and willing to do whatever Ed Cooley needs to rebuild Georgetown quickly. And Ed Cooley is more than capable of that considering what he accomplished at Providence. With the portal, he can have Georgetown in the tournament next season. Look at what Tang did at KSU this year and Dickinson is maybe an even bigger impact player than Keyontae Johnson was.

Georgetown is a sleeping giant. That whole university has a lot of built in advantages

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Georgetown is a sleeping giant. That whole university has a lot of built in advantages

I can not believe people were flaming Goodman for saying it's a better job than Providence.

They are not comparable. Ewing was just unfathomably bad.

Endowment wise comparing those two would be like comparing Kansas and Missouri State.

Yep. Almost went there for my master’s and I lived in DC for awhile. That area is crazy nice. The campus is beautiful and DC has a ton of basketball talent.

First thing I saw in Washington DC... our illustrious Nation's capital.. was a hooker...

@cragarhawk like a lady of the night or member of Congress

@FarmerJayhawk Warren Brewster Hooker left office in 1898, @cragarhawk 's not that old...

Oh i guess there were a few more Hookers after that...

Definitely a lady of the night. But it was not night. Lol.

@cragarhawk Did you see anything after that, he asks smiling naively?

@mayjay haha. Ya. Lots of monuments and the like... capital building, white house, etc.

@cragarhawk well what kinda deal did ya get? Did you get a discount by mentioning the KUBuckets coupon? 🤔

@cragarhawk

Literally LOL’d. Hilarious!

@rockchalkjayhawk I should have clarified. I didn't "visit" said hooker... just happened to be the first thing we saw entering the city. Lol. I was 14 years old. So it's been a minute

@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@rockchalkjayhawk I should have clarified. I didn't "visit" said hooker... just happened to be the first thing we saw entering the city. Lol. I was 14 years old. So it's been a minute

The first (And only) time I went to DC was in the mid 80s. I just remember a lot of it being a pit, with homeless everywhere. I had never seen it that bad before — and I grew up near NYC. So, I’m not surprised at all at your hooker spotting!

@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

the first thing we saw entering the city.

@cragarhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

just happened to be the first thing we saw entering the city

Ah, so you started at the Capitol.

@mayjay I caught that. LOL.

I’ve been to DC three times in the past year and a half… Daughter goes to Maryland which is 20 minutes away. the metro is awesome ( WAY better than my current hometown Boston).. You can get anywhere quickly. Great restaurants literally everywhere, of course great museums as well. I did not notice any hookers, but like every single big city I’ve been to they’re is a fair amount of homeless (San Francisco is unfortunately inundated with thousands of homeless)

@Bosthawk DC is an amazing city. Lots of days I miss living there, especially since the metro isn't packed like sardines every trip now. The west side of the city is super nice. Out west things can get pretty sketch.

@Bosthawk Boston is not too shabby, I love it.

@AsadZ yeah, but the massholes. Why is Boston so racist? That I can’t figure out. There is always some drunk white guy yelling racist epithets at ball games. It’s so common it’s become cliche. It’s like the KState Tourette’s that make them chant f KU at random events - I’d wager a sizable sum the f ku chant has been heard at weddings. Everywhere has its faults.

Kev will go through the NBA process. No decision made but Self is recruiting like he won't be back

Regarding Cuffe- "we still don't know the situation with Kyle"

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Regarding Cuffe- "we still don't know the situation with Kyle"

I laughed

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Regarding Cuffe- "we still don't know the situation with Kyle"

I laughed

Oddly it’s hard for any of us to have an opinion on Cuffe. Nobody’s ever seen him play! Can’t be that bad, can he?

@rockchalkjayhawk I'm trying not to break the golden rule here.

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@rockchalkjayhawk I'm trying not to break the golden rule here.

Well I know you don’t watch practice…

Are we really doing this.

Read between the lines with what Bill said.

I know. But you know how us human beings are. We all like to form our own opinions :)

@rockchalkjayhawk

Liked the take at the time, we had issues recruiting due to the NCAA firestorm. Then Covid canceled his entire season, then he got here early and hasn't practiced much in 2 years due to injury, He's practically 3 years behind development wise. We will never know

Cuffe isn’t a power 5 player. There it is, I said the quiet part out loud.

I’ll just say this on Kyle. He’s a great dude but sometimes the basketball part just doesn’t work out for whatever reason. Some draft picks you really root for and they can just never put it all together.

@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Cuffe isn’t a power 5 player. There it is, I said the quiet part out loud.

I didn't want to! He sounds like a good kid and I wish him the best but it did not work out here.

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Cuffe isn’t a power 5 player. There it is, I said the quiet part out loud.

I didn't want to! He sounds like a good kid and I wish him the best but it did not work out here.

You’re a class act, Sharky!

Poor Kyle. All that East Coast hype! Onward.

@rockchalkjayhawk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@dylans said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Cuffe isn’t a power 5 player. There it is, I said the quiet part out loud.

I didn't want to! He sounds like a good kid and I wish him the best but it did not work out here.

You’re a class act, Sharky!

Poor Kyle. All that East Coast hype! Onward.

There is a lot of talk that he is having trouble finding a landing spot. Self is a good guy obviously and doesn't want to just leave him with nowhere to go. I think that's a lot of the hold up. Worth noting he hasn't played basketball in 3 years and has had 2 knee injuries in that span, which is particularly tough for a kid that was mostly getting offers based on his athleticism.

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LOVE YOU JWILL BEST OF LUCK!

@BShark

LIVING LEGEND.

That's pretty darn good

@BShark 😢 I hate when the good guys leave!

Sounds like Kansas will host UCONN next year in the Big East/Big 12 challenge

@RockkChalkk

Yepp official, UConn coming to Allen

Let’s go - they are gonna be good again next year

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@RockkChalkk

Yepp official, UConn coming to Allen

That, on top of what we could see in Maui, plus a solid Missouri team equals one hell of a non-confernce schedule.

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Bored on a Friday night after working on some projects. Was thinking about this game and god bless, it's on youtube.

@BShark Peak year for big shorts

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Bored on a Friday night after working on some projects. Was thinking about this game and god bless, it's on youtube.

Boy , watching that embarrassed that i had forgot some of these guys. Man w had a solid team, would take me some more of Mr Aruther . - Solid bigs , SOLID - -Jakson . Aruther, Kahn - we were Deep. Chalmers , r Robinson , Collins , Rush what a roster. - -But remember almost impossible to beat Ku at the phog cause we playing 5 -8 lmao

Beasley wishes he blessed the rains after than one WHEW

08 is still Self's best team at KU IMO.

@AsadZ said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

08 is still Self's best team at KU IMO.

I think it's the 2nd best KU team ever, behind 97.

@AsadZ yea I mean that team had like 7 guys who logged NBA minutes right? Lol.

Rush, Chalmers, RR, Arthur, Sherron, Jackson, Kaun

They could beat you in every way possible.

@AsadZ Ball movement and defense were amazing

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God bless offseason/preseason Bill.

"Bill Self is a ****ing gangster"

Some are saying.

A real gangsta-ass plays his cards right.

@approxinfinity said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

A real gangsta-ass plays his cards right.

This confused me. I’ve never ass played cards. That’s beyond my talents. Probably why Bill is the man and I’m a random poster. I knew there was some little trick holding me back!!!

Not thrilled about Primo. He gets a layup on one of his highlights where the whole team is on the other end of the court, they steal the ball, throw it down court to Primo for the easy layup. Never made it back on defense. I'd rather have El Marko, Chris, McDowell, really anyone than Primo. I'll bet he wouldn't get 5 minutes a game in conference.

@Jethro said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Not thrilled about Primo. He gets a layup on one of his highlights where the whole team is on the other end of the court, they steal the ball, throw it down court to Primo for the easy layup. Never made it back on defense. I'd rather have El Marko, Chris, McDowell, really anyone than Primo. I'll bet he wouldn't get 5 minutes a game in conference.

Bad take. Chris is...not good. There are even concerns in his camp that he isn't KU material now.

I hope this all makes sense in the end.

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

I hope this all makes sense in the end.

If it's Primo vs CJ I don't think it's close you take Primo even if he has to RS.

@BShark

I'd consider that a waste of a scholarship. This has been as strange as Kyle Cuffe being a stage 5 clinger to the program

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark

I'd consider that a waste of a scholarship. This has been as strange as Kyle Cuffe being a stage 5 clinger to the program

Yeah we will see if he even takes the visit.

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Jethro said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Not thrilled about Primo. He gets a layup on one of his highlights where the whole team is on the other end of the court, they steal the ball, throw it down court to Primo for the easy layup. Never made it back on defense. I'd rather have El Marko, Chris, McDowell, really anyone than Primo. I'll bet he wouldn't get 5 minutes a game in conference.

Bad take. Chris is...not good. There are even concerns in his camp that he isn't KU material now.

At least we could blame it on being freshmen. Taking Primo could elevate Bill's blood pressure too much.

@Jethro

Hunter seems like he could do that too.

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Jethro said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Not thrilled about Primo. He gets a layup on one of his highlights where the whole team is on the other end of the court, they steal the ball, throw it down court to Primo for the easy layup. Never made it back on defense. I'd rather have El Marko, Chris, McDowell, really anyone than Primo. I'll bet he wouldn't get 5 minutes a game in conference.

Bad take. Chris is...not good. There are even concerns in his camp that he isn't KU material now.

So this is interesting. How can we get to the point where Chris Johnson was offered a scholarship and is on the roster? Surely Self and Co. have scouted him and see potential, right?

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark

I'd consider that a waste of a scholarship. This has been as strange as Kyle Cuffe being a stage 5 clinger to the program

Yeah we will see if he even takes the visit.

So who is your starting 5?

Juan/Elmarko/Timberlake/Tyson or KJ/Hunter hopefully

Not trying to put words in his mouth but what I think he is trying to say is that he isn't KU level good. Player rankings are always changing and usually KU is linked to players that end up climbing way up the rankings as they get closer to college. It sounds like CJ is expected to go the opposite way pretty drastically. There can be a lot of reasons for it happening but it just is what it is.

Its not all that different from say an elite college accepting an early applicant and then the student stops trying, skips out on school frequently for the beach, etc. and grades drop bad the last semester. I have heard stories of colleges pulling their acceptance in examples like this.

@RockkChalkk said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Not trying to put words in his mouth but what I think he is trying to say is that he isn't KU level good. Player rankings are always changing and usually KU is linked to players that end up climbing way up the rankings as they get closer to college. It sounds like CJ is expected to go the opposite way pretty drastically. There can be a lot of reasons for it happening but it just is what it is.

Its not all that different from say an elite college accepting an early applicant and then the student stops trying, skips out on school frequently for the beach, etc. and grades drop bad the last semester. I have heard stories of colleges pulling their acceptance in examples like this.

Yeah. I watched every Montverde game this year. He was not good, and a head case with the coaches. The stats show this as well. Got benched and scored 6ppg on 35% shooting and 26% from three.

We will see what happens but I don't think he is long for KU either way.

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Juan/Elmarko/Timberlake/Tyson or KJ/Hunter hopefully

I'm fine with that. I thought everyone was saying El Marko wasn't ready.

@Jethro said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Juan/Elmarko/Timberlake/Tyson or KJ/Hunter hopefully

I'm fine with that. I thought everyone was saying El Marko wasn't ready.

He's a stud.

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Jethro said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Juan/Elmarko/Timberlake/Tyson or KJ/Hunter hopefully

I'm fine with that. I thought everyone was saying El Marko wasn't ready.

He's a stud.

That's what I thought. Not understanding the clamor for Primo, though.

@Jethro Need guards

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@Jethro Need guards

Off the bench as an offensive spark plug?

@Jethro Yes. He wouldn't be brought in to start. Basically there is about 0% chance that CJ or McDowell will contribute. Will be interesting to see if anyone gets let go.

I dont' see how he gets a waiver anyways. Even if he were willing to come off the bench. Not sure how you take him without a 4th spot anyways. Either you know someone else is leaving or Dickinson is going elsewhere.

Funny thing is I do want the michigan kid to play for KU even if he's a big oaf. The dude can play and will help us win some games next year. I just wish I hadn't seen so much of the bad side of him. Like if he ever walked into any arena with a ski mask on two days after a lunatic gunned down Michigan State students I think you'd understand. Giving opponents bulletin board material by calling them scumbags is more evidence of his doofusry. Hold my nose and watch him play for us? I guess.

@wissox said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Funny thing is I do want the michigan kid to play for KU even if he's a big oaf. The dude can play and will help us win some games next year. I just wish I hadn't seen so much of the bad side of him. Like if he ever walked into any arena with a ski mask on two days after a lunatic gunned down Michigan State students I think you'd understand. Giving opponents bulletin board material by calling them scumbags is more evidence of his doofusry. Hold my nose and watch him play for us? I guess.

When we first started recruiting him, it was a hard pass for me. I softened up after looking at his stats, and watching his footwork. If he had the tiniest amount of humility, I would feel much better. We normally don't look at guys with that type personality.

Speaking of prep schools holy shat https://deadline.com/2023/04/endeavor-sells-img-academy-private-equity-firm-eqt-1235336248/ ↗

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Juan/Elmarko/Timberlake/Tyson or KJ/Hunter hopefully

I got a new one for you: Juan/ El Marko / Timberlake / Adams / KJ.

https://blog.rockchalk.io/why-marcus-adams-jr-will-be-big-for-ku-hoops/ ↗

@Jethro said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

@BShark said in KU Offseason Chef Bill Cooking Thread:

Juan/Elmarko/Timberlake/Tyson or KJ/Hunter hopefully

I got a new one for you: Juan/ El Marko / Timberlake / Adams / KJ.

https://blog.rockchalk.io/why-marcus-adams-jr-will-be-big-for-ku-hoops/ ↗

I was just down in SoCal visiting my mom, drove by his high school around the corner! I'm rooting for him to have some freshman success for sure.

Primo for threeeemo #HanniPost