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Bill doesn't play- I hope he understands that.

This move reeks of desperation unless Bill knows something we don't.

I guess the girl could have made it all up, but there was a lot of stuff to make up.

Oh well. hope it all works out.

Guard play is solidified.

We have recruited as if we feel the Adams guys can hold down the 4. Would love a 4th spot to open up.

I've had a day to digest this, as I fully expected this to happen. And what I came up with is we don't have the facts. We think we do, but we don't. I'm going to wait until I hear from Bill. The kid hasn't even had a day in court. I don't think Bill has lost his mind. So, let's hear him out. Maybe there's more to the story we don't know.

@Jethro said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

I've had a day to digest this, as I fully expected this to happen. And what I came up with is we don't have the facts. We think we do, but we don't. I'm going to wait until I hear from Bill. The kid hasn't even had a day in court. I don't think Bill has lost his mind. So, let's hear him out. Maybe there's more to the story we don't know.

Yup, you're right. who knows what really happened. We've had that kinda start to a domestic violence conversation before at KU with the stair dragging "incident" that turned out to be BS (as far as i can remember!).

I don't wanna think about it any more, so i'll shut up now.

Hope he fits in, does the right thing on and off the court.

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

This move reeks of desperation unless Bill knows something we don't.

I guess the girl could have made it all up, but there was a lot of stuff to make up.

Oh well. hope it all works out.

It's a gamble - -better be ready to walk the straight and narrow. - you know if ANYTHING happens with him and it will just EXPLODE

I don't support this take for optics alone. Some things should matter. But I know that may not be what others think.

If it proves to be wise to think otherwise I will but until then I don't agree

Well. I hope he is sincerely committed to getting his shit together at Kansas. If he is, he chose wisely.

I like this move a lot. Just the action of picking KU/Self shows some maturity because everyone knows Bill wont mess around if he messes up again. Plus we only really know the story in the media which certainly isnt his version. Somewhat low risk, super high reward. Go hawks.

@BeddieKU23 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

I don't support this take for optics alone. Some things should matter. But I know that may not be what others think.

If it proves to be wise to think otherwise I will but until then I don't agree

Well, at least one fan agrees with you. I don't understand this, not only from an optics perspective, but also in terms of talent and fit. Put aside the personal stuff. Exactly what did he show at UT which suggests he should be a Jayhawk? As down as I've been on Spears, I would have taken him over Morris (although alternatives would have been my preference). I assume the Spears visit is now a waste of time? We don't need a 5th (or 6th if you include Cluffe) 6-4 guard or smaller. I thought HCBS said we needed some size and athleticism, in addition to someone who could make treys?

Really, can't KU do better than this???

@DCHawker said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@BeddieKU23 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

I don't support this take for optics alone. Some things should matter. But I know that may not be what others think.

If it proves to be wise to think otherwise I will but until then I don't agree

Well, at least one fan agrees with you. I don't understand this, not only from an optics perspective, but also in terms of talent and fit. Put aside the personal stuff. Exactly what did he show at UT which suggests he should be a Jayhawk? As down as I've been on Spears, I would have taken him over Morris (although alternatives would have been my preference). I assume the Spears visit is now a waste of time? We don't need a 5th (or 6th if you include Cluffe) 6-4 guard or smaller. I thought HCBS said we needed some size and athleticism, in addition to someone who could make treys?

Really, can't KU do better than this???

Oh as far as being athletic - -he is WAY ATHLETIC, the # 1 PG coming out of the 2022 class, really came on at the end of the year-no questioning his on the Court ability-- -it's off the court he has to get a grip on.

@DCHawker said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@BeddieKU23 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

I don't support this take for optics alone. Some things should matter. But I know that may not be what others think.

If it proves to be wise to think otherwise I will but until then I don't agree

Well, at least one fan agrees with you. I don't understand this, not only from an optics perspective, but also in terms of talent and fit. Put aside the personal stuff. Exactly what did he show at UT which suggests he should be a Jayhawk? As down as I've been on Spears, I would have taken him over Morris (although alternatives would have been my preference). I assume the Spears visit is now a waste of time? We don't need a 5th (or 6th if you include Cluffe) 6-4 guard or smaller. I thought HCBS said we needed some size and athleticism, in addition to someone who could make treys?

Really, can't KU do better than this???

OH there is no question on his athletic ability , the # 1 pg coming out in the 22 class quick , really came on for Texas at the end of last year. I have no reason to question his on the floor ability - It's his off the cort that he has to keep in check.

Thing is you have to come to grips with now - - like it or not He is a Jayhawk a part of the team so he is now a part of Jayhawk Nation so gonna have to welcome him in the family - - I'll leave it up to Coach Self he knows what he is doing. That's why he is at hee he is at and why you and I are at where we are at

Morris makes this team better. All I got

@BeddieKU23 He's a hell of a player. He's going to get better and better.

@DCHawker said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@BeddieKU23 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

I don't support this take for optics alone. Some things should matter. But I know that may not be what others think.

If it proves to be wise to think otherwise I will but until then I don't agree

Well, at least one fan agrees with you. I don't understand this, not only from an optics perspective, but also in terms of talent and fit. Put aside the personal stuff. Exactly what did he show at UT which suggests he should be a Jayhawk? As down as I've been on Spears, I would have taken him over Morris (although alternatives would have been my preference). I assume the Spears visit is now a waste of time? We don't need a 5th (or 6th if you include Cluffe) 6-4 guard or smaller. I thought HCBS said we needed some size and athleticism, in addition to someone who could make treys?

Really, can't KU do better than this???

Morris was ranked 16th in the 2022 class by 24/7 and has a huge upside of talent. I assume him committing means he is willing to play off the ball otherwise he'll play about 10 mpg here the next two seasons. He's also an infinitely better defender than Spears. On the court, Morris is a much higher ceiling player than Spears is. Off the court, we're just going to have to trust that Self and staff have done their homework on his issues and are comfortable with bringing Morris in.

I'm also very curious what the starting line up is going to be now because Self doesn't have a true 3 at this point. Does Self start Timberlake at the 3 now or is Marcus Adams going to be in that spot?

I would rather lose with high character players, than sell out morality for wins. But that really isn’t the only option. Good people play ball - Jalen, Ochai - both great human beings and proven winners. Just because he’s a Jayhawk now doesn’t change my view about Morris, but it does about the program.

@dylans said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

I would rather lose with high character players, than sell out morality for wins. But that really isn’t the only option. Good people play ball - Jalen, Ochai - both great human beings and proven winners. Just because he’s a Jayhawk now doesn’t change my view about Morris, but it does about the program.

To play devil's advocate, Jalen could have killed someone drunk driving and we wouldn't be including him in the "good" list. He knew he was off the track he wanted to be on with that DUI, and Jalen is also a redemption story. Hopefully Arterio is choosing a positive environment because he's ready to be positive.

@dylans said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

I would rather lose with high character players, than sell out morality for wins. But that really isn’t the only option. Good people play ball - Jalen, Ochai - both great human beings and proven winners. Just because he’s a Jayhawk now doesn’t change my view about Morris, but it does about the program.

Jalen got a DUI. Not the player to use in this example. But he manned up and made the most of his second opportunity and became a champion and a man. Who’s to say the same can’t become true for Morris?

Ochai is a good one. Dave and Landen were also really awesome dudes.

@TYOHawk Are you really comparing a DUI to domestic violence? We jump the shark so fast as a society.

Jalen handles himself in an extremely respectful way. I would be proud to call him my kid from what I’ve seen of him. Yessir, no sir, makes eye contact, payed his dues for his mistake. - yes a mistake.

There is zero excuse for what Morris did as it’s portrayed. Sure people deserve a second chance - but it should be a privilege to play basketball for KU, one he should have lost for his lack of character.

@TYOHawk Another allegation about Morris is that his family and friends pressured the ex-gf to not say anything bad about him b/c it might hurt his career.

Morris has not to my knowledge ever acknowledged he did anything.

This just feels like a bad dream. - I’m being punked right? Bill living in the portal Self surely didn’t identify a woman beater as one of his top targets and aggressively go get him, did he? The sad thing is Allen Fieldhouse will be sold out wildly supporting this guys ability to play basketball in spite of his off court actions. - Alabama lite/ Texas North?

Is KU basketball so important to us fans that we can completely overlook character in favor of god given talent? For some the answer is clearly yes.

@approxinfinity said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@dylans said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

I would rather lose with high character players, than sell out morality for wins. But that really isn’t the only option. Good people play ball - Jalen, Ochai - both great human beings and proven winners. Just because he’s a Jayhawk now doesn’t change my view about Morris, but it does about the program.

To play devil's advocate, Jalen could have killed someone drunk driving and we wouldn't be including him in the "good" list. He knew he was off the track he wanted to be on with that DUI, and Jalen is also a redemption story. Hopefully Arterio is choosing a positive environment because he's ready to be positive.

Arterio has never shown remorse, nor faced any punishment.

Jalen’s bad judgment surrounds hypotheticals - he could’ve hurt someone. Arterio did hurt someone,
willfully. There is a significant difference.

@dylans said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

This just feels like a bad dream. - I’m being punked right? Bill living in the portal Self surely didn’t identify a woman beater as one of his top targets and aggressively go get him, did he? The sad thing is Allen Fieldhouse will be sold out wildly supporting this guys ability to play basketball in spite of his off court actions. - Alabama lite/ Texas North?

Is KU basketball so important to us fans that we can completely overlook character in favor of god given talent? For some the answer is clearly yes.

If you believe the rumors, Arterio was allegedly his 2nd most wanted guy behind Hunter. Not saying you are of course, but probably a bad idea for anyone to hold Self/the staff on any kind of pedestal. It's about winning only. Self has made that statement LOUD AND CLEAR with his actions.

I am not overlooking this but agree many are, basically trying to hand wave the issues away. Mostly my twitter mutuals and other people I talk to within the fanbase feel similarly to me, but I've definitely gotten into it with some people on this one. One basically had nothing of value to say so he just kept saying "didn't ask" to w/e I said so I just blocked them. I went to multiple games last year, but I'm definitely not going to games with Morris on the team.

@BShark Yeah. I’d love to ask Self what he’s thinking. Why so desperate to win? What’s he trying to prove?

@BShark said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

I am not overlooking this but agree many are, basically trying to hand wave the issues away. Mostly my twitter mutuals and other people I talk to within the fanbase feel similarly to me, but I've definitely gotten into it with some people on this one. One basically had nothing of value to say so he just kept saying "didn't ask" to w/e I said so I just blocked them. I went to multiple games last year, but I'm definitely not going to games with Morris on the team.

I had plans of getting seats a couple rows behind the bench for a game (UConn or a conference game), but this changes my plans. I’m torn. I love KU and didn’t have a chance to go the last couple years. Now I can physically go, but I’m not sure I fully support what’s going on.

Hmm. I hope Self isn't the sports reincarnation of Robert Johnson.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/gun-on-dallas-isd-team-bus-unexplainable-and-inexcusable-superintendent-says/2911967/ ↗

Not the first time Arterio has been involved with a gun, btw.

@nuleafjhawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

Hmm. I hope Self isn't the sports reincarnation of Robert Johnson.

Robert Johnson the musician that died in his 20s?

Care to elaborate?

@RockkChalkk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

I like this move a lot. Just the action of picking KU/Self shows some maturity because everyone knows Bill wont mess around if he messes up again. Plus we only really know the story in the media which certainly isnt his version. Somewhat low risk, super high reward. Go hawks.

Let's say he does mess up again. News of it comes out in late February. He's helped lead this team to another league title and potential #1 seed. Now he's got to be kicked off the team. Pffft goes our chances in the dance. I don't want to risk that. I don't want to even win with a guy like this.

All of you are right, we don't know the facts, but stories like this wouldn't be told about this guy if he was an upstanding citizen.

We're already somewhat of a pariah nationally as the 5 major violations taunt is still repeated. Bring in Hunter D, another with a somewhat shady rep also and we'll still be talked about negatively.

@dylans said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@nuleafjhawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

Hmm. I hope Self isn't the sports reincarnation of Robert Johnson.

Robert Johnson the musician that died in his 20s?

Care to elaborate?

Robert Johnson allegedly sold his soul to the devil to be as great a musician as he was.

@dylans said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

I would rather lose with high character players, than sell out morality for wins. But that really isn’t the only option. Good people play ball - Jalen, Ochai - both great human beings and proven winners. Just because he’s a Jayhawk now doesn’t change my view about Morris, but it does about the program.

How has your view of the program changed?

Whew. Full dramatics going on in this thread. Wow.

I think both sides of this are valid. The only person that can answer how you should feel on this is you. If you want to only care about sports/winning that's your choice.

@Woodrow said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

How has your view of the program changed?

Before I could defend Kansas’ virtue to the KSU homers. Now I really can’t. It’s changed my view from my Roy Williams tinted good old boy routine to one of cynicism. Jaybate was unfortunately more right than I wanted to admit.

I guess I’m more disgusted in the lack of a convictions that fans have. If this guy played for UK or Missouri we would slaughter his character and the programs for selling their soul for wins. Since he signed with KU I’ve already seen people trying to justify his actions. (He’s not a bad kid/she made it up/he didn’t do it/it’s not that bad/etc). If we held the program to higher standards they would not be able to stoop to these lows.

@dylans said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

I guess I’m more disgusted in the lack of a convictions that fans have. If this guy played for UK or Missouri we would slaughter his character and the programs for selling their soul for wins. Since he signed with KU I’ve already seen people trying to justify his actions. (He’s not a bad kid/she made it up/he didn’t do it/it’s not that bad/etc). If we held the program to higher standards they would not be able to stoop to these lows.

Lots of faith in the "justice system" too. Maybe a bad faith argument to begin with but as someone that has seen the "justice system" in action plenty, especially wrt domestic violence that is NOT the flex people think it is.

I don’t want to further attack the kid. He is in the fold now and I hope he can become a model citizen. I just don’t like the decision to take on the risks and negative attention associated with him. By all accounts he’s a very good basketball player. I hope they can help show him how to be an equally good man. But it’s still on Art’s shoulders to put it in action every day.

Guess you guys already have it all figured out.

If he were my kid, I’d be doing a lot of soul searching, but I’d want him to play for a disciplined tough coach like Self. Or at least like the coach I perceived Self to be prior to this decision—I’m still feeling my way around whether I need to alter my sense of Self. Also, I believe in growth and redemption, but a lack of contrition is a road block to that.

Is the negative attention nationwide or only on this site? I would guess that many of the kids playing college sports come with some kind of risk. I would also. think that when a court decision is made then a decision will be made on his playing or not. Let's not be judge, jury and executioners since we know only what the media has chosen to give us.

@Woodrow We're fans being fans! We all know we don't have the ultimate answer, but this signing deserves some scrutiny. I hope a year from now we'll be saying we were wrong about.

@COHawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

Is the negative attention nationwide or only on this site? I would guess that many of the kids playing college sports come with some kind of risk. I would also. think that when a court decision is made then a decision will be made on his playing or not. Let's not be judge, jury and executioners since we know only what the media has chosen to give us.

This is the most divisive addition in awhile. Anywhere you have people that talk about KU basketball there are arguments about this. Wouldn't surprise me to see articles from Wolken, Forde, Oneill etc but I haven't went looking.

@wissox said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@Woodrow We're fans being fans! We all know we don't have the ultimate answer, but this signing deserves some scrutiny. I hope a year from now we'll be saying we were wrong about.

It's absolutely worth discussing. What else are message boards for? An echo chamber would be boring*.

*respect for @kuballin10

@COHawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

Is the negative attention nationwide or only on this site? I would guess that many of the kids playing college sports come with some kind of risk. I would also. think that when a court decision is made then a decision will be made on his playing or not. Let's not be judge, jury and executioners since we know only what the media has chosen to give us.

I haven’t seen one national person even comment on this signing let alone write about it. So let’s just say it’s a nationwide outrage.

@Woodrow said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@COHawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

Is the negative attention nationwide or only on this site? I would guess that many of the kids playing college sports come with some kind of risk. I would also. think that when a court decision is made then a decision will be made on his playing or not. Let's not be judge, jury and executioners since we know only what the media has chosen to give us.

I haven’t seen one national person even comment on this signing let alone write about it. So let’s just say it’s a nationwide outrage.

The commitment just happened yesterday and the NFL Draft is going on this weekend. We'll probably hear a little bit about it next week.

@wissox said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@Woodrow We're fans being fans! We all know we don't have the ultimate answer, but this signing deserves some scrutiny. I hope a year from now we'll be saying we were wrong about.

You can scrutinize it without being an over dramatic drama queen though. ( not saying you are doing that) I mean FFS we have people questioning the program and Self. Being hyperbolic doesn’t really help get the point across. It just makes people laugh at you.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@Woodrow said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@COHawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

Is the negative attention nationwide or only on this site? I would guess that many of the kids playing college sports come with some kind of risk. I would also. think that when a court decision is made then a decision will be made on his playing or not. Let's not be judge, jury and executioners since we know only what the media has chosen to give us.

I haven’t seen one national person even comment on this signing let alone write about it. So let’s just say it’s a nationwide outrage.

The commitment just happened yesterday and the NFL Draft is going on this weekend. We'll probably hear a little bit about it next week.

So people that cover college basketball don’t have time to fire off a tweet because the draft is on? That’s your take?

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Arterio+Morris+assault ↗

Not too hard to find unfortunately. Multiple articles in the last couple months (including the Topeka rag). Curious how many there will be in the coming months, hopefully about how his character has improved and he’s doing community service and is sorry for previous missteps.

@Woodrow said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@Woodrow said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@COHawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

Is the negative attention nationwide or only on this site? I would guess that many of the kids playing college sports come with some kind of risk. I would also. think that when a court decision is made then a decision will be made on his playing or not. Let's not be judge, jury and executioners since we know only what the media has chosen to give us.

I haven’t seen one national person even comment on this signing let alone write about it. So let’s just say it’s a nationwide outrage.

The commitment just happened yesterday and the NFL Draft is going on this weekend. We'll probably hear a little bit about it next week.

So people that cover college basketball don’t have time to fire off a tweet because the draft is on? That’s your take?

Because most journalists cover multiple sports if they don't work for ESPN or Fox. The NFL Draft is one of the biggest media coverage events in the U.S. so there's going to be a lot more attention on the draft this weekend. Guys that cover college basketball that have a major issue with this aren't going to simply fire off a tweet and be done with it. Someone like Pat Forde will probably have his latest KU hit piece on this out sometime early next week.

I also don't know what LJW coverage will end up looking like since Matt Tait's last day there was this past week before Morris committed.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@Woodrow said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@COHawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

Is the negative attention nationwide or only on this site? I would guess that many of the kids playing college sports come with some kind of risk. I would also. think that when a court decision is made then a decision will be made on his playing or not. Let's not be judge, jury and executioners since we know only what the media has chosen to give us.

I haven’t seen one national person even comment on this signing let alone write about it. So let’s just say it’s a nationwide outrage.

The commitment just happened yesterday and the NFL Draft is going on this weekend. We'll probably hear a little bit about it next week.

Friday at 5pm was not a coincidence.

@dylans said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@TYOHawk Are you really comparing a DUI to domestic violence? We jump the shark so fast as a society.

Jalen handles himself in an extremely respectful way. I would be proud to call him my kid from what I’ve seen of him. Yessir, no sir, makes eye contact, payed his dues for his mistake. - yes a mistake.

There is zero excuse for what Morris did as it’s portrayed. Sure people deserve a second chance - but it should be a privilege to play basketball for KU, one he should have lost for his lack of character.

There is no excuse for a DUI especially with Uber and other traveling services made available. Same thing with domestic violence being unacceptable.

Domestic violence is obviously unacceptable but let the process play out in court and with our judicial system not Reddit or IG posts.

@dylans said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@Woodrow said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

How has your view of the program changed?

Before I could defend Kansas’ virtue to the KSU homers. Now I really can’t. It’s changed my view from my Roy Williams tinted good old boy routine to one of cynicism. Jaybate was unfortunately more right than I wanted to admit.

I guess I’m more disgusted in the lack of a convictions that fans have. If this guy played for UK or Missouri we would slaughter his character and the programs for selling their soul for wins. Since he signed with KU I’ve already seen people trying to justify his actions. (He’s not a bad kid/she made it up/he didn’t do it/it’s not that bad/etc). If we held the program to higher standards they would not be able to stoop to these lows.

The Venn diagram of the “get over Morris” and “actually Tyreek Hill is a great father” fans is a circle

@FarmerJayhawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@dylans said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@Woodrow said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

How has your view of the program changed?

Before I could defend Kansas’ virtue to the KSU homers. Now I really can’t. It’s changed my view from my Roy Williams tinted good old boy routine to one of cynicism. Jaybate was unfortunately more right than I wanted to admit.

I guess I’m more disgusted in the lack of a convictions that fans have. If this guy played for UK or Missouri we would slaughter his character and the programs for selling their soul for wins. Since he signed with KU I’ve already seen people trying to justify his actions. (He’s not a bad kid/she made it up/he didn’t do it/it’s not that bad/etc). If we held the program to higher standards they would not be able to stoop to these lows.

The Venn diagram of the “get over Morris” and “actually Tyreek Hill is a great father” fans is a circle

Vibes were immaculate after winning a SB without Tyreek.

@BShark said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@dylans said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@Woodrow said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

How has your view of the program changed?

Before I could defend Kansas’ virtue to the KSU homers. Now I really can’t. It’s changed my view from my Roy Williams tinted good old boy routine to one of cynicism. Jaybate was unfortunately more right than I wanted to admit.

I guess I’m more disgusted in the lack of a convictions that fans have. If this guy played for UK or Missouri we would slaughter his character and the programs for selling their soul for wins. Since he signed with KU I’ve already seen people trying to justify his actions. (He’s not a bad kid/she made it up/he didn’t do it/it’s not that bad/etc). If we held the program to higher standards they would not be able to stoop to these lows.

The Venn diagram of the “get over Morris” and “actually Tyreek Hill is a great father” fans is a circle

Vibes were immaculate after winning a SB without Tyreek.

Cut the woman beaters in half!

@FarmerJayhawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@BShark said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@dylans said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@Woodrow said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

How has your view of the program changed?

Before I could defend Kansas’ virtue to the KSU homers. Now I really can’t. It’s changed my view from my Roy Williams tinted good old boy routine to one of cynicism. Jaybate was unfortunately more right than I wanted to admit.

I guess I’m more disgusted in the lack of a convictions that fans have. If this guy played for UK or Missouri we would slaughter his character and the programs for selling their soul for wins. Since he signed with KU I’ve already seen people trying to justify his actions. (He’s not a bad kid/she made it up/he didn’t do it/it’s not that bad/etc). If we held the program to higher standards they would not be able to stoop to these lows.

The Venn diagram of the “get over Morris” and “actually Tyreek Hill is a great father” fans is a circle

Vibes were immaculate after winning a SB without Tyreek.

Cut the woman beaters in half!

Frank? Trying to recall.

@BShark yep, booted from Michigan after getting arrested for abusing his girlfriend. Prime examples of an organization giving out “second chances” (as long as you’re good at sports, otherwise rot in jail)

@BShark said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@wissox said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@Woodrow We're fans being fans! We all know we don't have the ultimate answer, but this signing deserves some scrutiny. I hope a year from now we'll be saying we were wrong about.

It's absolutely worth discussing. What else are message boards for? An echo chamber would be boring*.

*respect for @kuballin10

Haha I’m trying to tone it down and not be such an arse. @wissox speaks up and that’s when I know I’ve gone to far.

For as negative as I am during the season I’m the opposite in the off-season.

@Woodrow said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@COHawk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

Is the negative attention nationwide or only on this site? I would guess that many of the kids playing college sports come with some kind of risk. I would also. think that when a court decision is made then a decision will be made on his playing or not. Let's not be judge, jury and executioners since we know only what the media has chosen to give us.

I haven’t seen one national person even comment on this signing let alone write about it. So let’s just say it’s a nationwide outrage.

I mean he played at Texas and I don’t remember it ever mentioned during the games against us.

I think we are fine and hope he mans up here at ku

Can he man up and get his off the court life in order?

What influence will Self have on him?

Will KU athletics put him in some sort of counseling?

We will find out.

I dont think anybody likes the stuff that is out there about him off the court. However i find it odd how some people will despise him even if he becomes the charitable man of the year every year he is here. Meanwhile, same people can look past Jalen’s DUI, Marcus Morris’ bar fight (could have also had a misdemeanor assault charge as a result), and celebrate when Braun stares down an opponent and yells “fcking btch” on live tv.

@RockkChalkk I will root for him to do good while he's here. And hope that the staff has a good plan to keep him on the straight and narrow. I suppose I don't expect him to be a saint while he's here (he's still a "kid").

But if ANYTHING happens on campus where Morris assaults a woman, Bill Self needs to resign. Maybe Goff too. If they think Morris is in no way a risk to the women on campus then they should be willing to put their jobs on the line.

If something does happen, and Bill doesn't get forced out with it, I'll probably never watch another game in my life. That's where I stand on this whole situation.

Now, I hope Arterio is a 1st-team All-American. He has a lot of traits that will serve him well under Bill. At this very second, there is a legitimate possibility he is our leading scorer in 2023. The Juan/Elmarko/Morris backcourt is salty on paper. Should be able to really pressure the ball. This also ensures we have some talent coming off of the bench. Either Morris, Elmarko or Timberlake. Morris also brings some desperately needed shooting into the lineup. He's also a plus athlete for his size.

All of this to say, the talent is certainly intriguing.

Don’t hate the young man. Hate the decision making process that brought him here.

He's a Jayhawk now. I'll support him and root for him unless he gives me reason not to, no different than the other players.

@RockkChalkk said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

I dont think anybody likes the stuff that is out there about him off the court. However i find it odd how some people will despise him even if he becomes the charitable man of the year every year he is here. Meanwhile, same people can look past Jalen’s DUI, Marcus Morris’ bar fight (could have also had a misdemeanor assault charge as a result), and celebrate when Braun stares down an opponent and yells “fcking btch” on live tv.

I don't hate the kids by any means. CB didn't commit a crime in any way shape or form so I don't think it's fair to lump him in this group. I'd add Vick, Josh, Bragg and several others in the hard to root for group though.

@Kcmatt7 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@RockkChalkk I will root for him to do good while he's here. And hope that the staff has a good plan to keep him on the straight and narrow. I suppose I don't expect him to be a saint while he's here (he's still a "kid").

But if ANYTHING happens on campus where Morris assaults a woman, Bill Self needs to resign. Maybe Goff too. If they think Morris is in no way a risk to the women on campus then they should be willing to put their jobs on the line.

If something does happen, and Bill doesn't get forced out with it, I'll probably never watch another game in my life. That's where I stand on this whole situation.

Now, I hope Arterio is a 1st-team All-American. He has a lot of traits that will serve him well under Bill. At this very second, there is a legitimate possibility he is our leading scorer in 2023. The Juan/Elmarko/Morris backcourt is salty on paper. Should be able to really pressure the ball. This also ensures we have some talent coming off of the bench. Either Morris, Elmarko or Timberlake. Morris also brings some desperately needed shooting into the lineup. He's also a plus athlete for his size.

All of this to say, the talent is certainly intriguing.

It does sound like he was on the straight and narrow while at Texas. Reportedly anyway. Apparently coachable and his teammates liked him. This is all grapevine stuff.

You came with the HEAT in paragraphs 2/3 here, I respect it.

I think Timberlake will start fwiw, at the 3 spot. Caveat that if his defense isn't acceptable then probably not. But it seems to be the plan.

Morris is no Timberlake shooting but yeah he isn't bad. I've for other additions to be plus shooters as well. It was a clear need going into the portal and why while Ingram would have been fine for us, it doesn't tear me up that Bill didn't get him in hindsight.

Talent wise Morris is a no brainer take. Probably don't get him without the issues.

Quite a few strong statements about Morris here. Thanks BShark for calming words. Self and the school ABSOLUTELY know the risks. Let’s get the venting finished and then chill a bit…

@Gorilla72 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

Quite a few strong statements about Morris here. Thanks BShark for calming words. Self and the school ABSOLUTELY know the risks. Let’s get the venting finished and then chill a bit…

Oh I've had my moments with this :face_with_tears_of_joy:

I think this chatter will continue in a lot of spots until the next commitment distracts us.

@BShark I think Timberlake starting makes perfect sense. It's looking more and more like the lineup will be Juan/Morris/Timberlake/KJ/Dickinson. Then you have Elmarko/MAdams/Udeh as your main subs. That's a pretty dang good team.

I really think they have to find a way to open up a 4th spot and get another rotation piece though. Might be the difference between a Natty run and a Sweet 16.

@Kcmatt7 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@BShark I think Timberlake starting makes perfect sense. It's looking more and more like the lineup will be Juan/Morris/Timberlake/KJ/Dickinson. Then you have Elmarko/MAdams/Udeh as your main subs. That's a pretty dang good team.

I really think they have to find a way to open up a 4th spot and get another rotation piece though. Might be the difference between a Natty run and a Sweet 16.

Yep. The 4 spot is the only major concern in this scenario.

@BShark I really think the KJ/Marcus combo is going to be just fine. KJ did average almost 11 a game last season... How often do players take a major step back scoring?

@Kcmatt7 Just saying, Kevin was almost useless at the 3pt line. I know I'm in the minority, but I think KJ is going to feast in that 4 spot.

@Kcmatt7 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@BShark I really think the KJ/Marcus combo is going to be just fine. KJ did average almost 11 a game last season... How often do players take a major step back scoring?

Your moving KJ a lot further out on the court -he not gonna be just getting lobs or little bank shots. He is going to have to develop some kind of mid range jumper to play a four, and at this point -- He doesn't have it. Sure he took a few outside J's last year with luke warm success at best, unless he works really hard , bust his ass in the off season I can't see how he can possibly play an effective 4. -His scoring at this point with his current shot he will not be able to get it done - Defense will back off him until he can prove he is capable of dropping the outside J. -We better hope we have better answer

@Kcmatt7 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@BShark I really think the KJ/Marcus combo is going to be just fine. KJ did average almost 11 a game last season... How often do players take a major step back scoring?

Changing position is a factor though. Marcus regressed in some ways offensively his SR year due to that, despite the numbers being solid.

@Kcmatt7 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@Kcmatt7 Just saying, Kevin was almost useless at the 3pt line. I know I'm in the minority, but I think KJ is going to feast in that 4 spot.

Need Hunter for this but he could be okay there. If you don't get Hunter then KJ probably starts at the 5 again.

@jayballer67 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@Kcmatt7 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@BShark I really think the KJ/Marcus combo is going to be just fine. KJ did average almost 11 a game last season... How often do players take a major step back scoring?

Your moving KJ a lot further out on the court -he not gonna be just getting lobs or little bank shots. He is going to have to develop some kind of mid range jumper to play a four, and at this point -- He doesn't have it. Sure he took a few outside J's last year with luke warm success at best, unless he works really hard , bust his ass in the off season I can't see how he can possibly play an effective 4. -His scoring at this point with his current shot he will not be able to get it done - Defense will back off him until he can prove he is capable of dropping the outside J. -We better hope we have better answer

If KU lands Dickinson, KJ will be fine offensively because Dickinson can step out and hit 3's and you could basically run Dickinson as the 4 and KJ at the 5 on offense because Dickinson does have 3 point range.

If KU doesn't land Dickinson and Self has to go with a combination of KJ/Udeh/Ejiofor at the 4/5 spots, we'll probably see some sets we haven't seen out of Self in years including quite a bit of hi/lo action. I would look at what sets the 2008 team ran when Russell Robinson and Darrell Arthur were in the the game because Robinson was a pass first PG like Harris amd Arthur only took 12 3's all season.

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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@jayballer67 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@Kcmatt7 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@BShark I really think the KJ/Marcus combo is going to be just fine. KJ did average almost 11 a game last season... How often do players take a major step back scoring?

Your moving KJ a lot further out on the court -he not gonna be just getting lobs or little bank shots. He is going to have to develop some kind of mid range jumper to play a four, and at this point -- He doesn't have it. Sure he took a few outside J's last year with luke warm success at best, unless he works really hard , bust his ass in the off season I can't see how he can possibly play an effective 4. -His scoring at this point with his current shot he will not be able to get it done - Defense will back off him until he can prove he is capable of dropping the outside J. -We better hope we have better answer

If KU lands Dickinson, KJ will be fine offensively because Dickinson can step out and hit 3's and you could basically run Dickinson as the 4 and KJ at the 5 on offense because Dickinson does have 3 point range.

If KU doesn't land Dickinson and Self has to go with a combination of KJ/Udeh/Ejiofor at the 4/5 spots, we'll probably see some sets we haven't seen out of Self in years including quite a bit of hi/lo action. I would look at what sets the 2008 team ran when Russell Robinson and Darrell Arthur were in the the game because Robinson was a pass first PG like Harris amd Arthur only took 12 3's all season.

That is probably what w will do run hi /low cause it's looking a lot less all the time we are getting Hunter. - I saw now where the staff has reached out to the FSU transfer 7'4 & 255 -- , were reaching out to a lot of other 5's I could see a back up - -but with them reaching out to so many makes me feel Hunters ship has sailed- - put to all the contacts they are making on top of Bill's un-scheduled visit again to Hunter, making you think they know things are shaky on that front.

First, let me just say I am a fan of good character guys. We've had some guys with great character over the decades (Roy was very focused on this), and they are some of my all-time favorites.

That said, I've observed HCBS recruit guys from tough backgrounds and try to give them a chance. I admire Self for providing an opportunity for redemption to kids that have made mistakes and/or had the deck stacked against them since birth. He's had a decent track record, especially when you think about guys that were recruited ~2006-2016. There have been some whiffs as well.

Still I have some unease with this particular situation. I trust that Self & Staff have a lengthy and clear list of rules in place and a very low tolerance for any transgression. I also trust that they have strong safeguards in place to protect the reputation of the program and the University due to the behavior of players. But I can't ignore the fact that there are some things beyond his (and the staff's) control.

I hope it goes well... but hope is not a strategy.

@bskeet Well said. I hope we don't become the Oakland Raiders (old school) of college basketball.

with what was said on Morris did - -is 100 % wrong and should not and can not be tolerated .However like it or not he IS now a Jay Hawk and I will back him on the floor 10000 % - off the floor I don't have to associate with him-- like him or anything - -No place for those kind of actions , but to say I'm going to boycott and not go to any games because Morris is here - -that is
just silly - -childish , like that's really going to hurt KU and the School - I'm still going & I'm still pulling for whoever is on the court for us.

I'm not gonna rant - -rave - -boo-- -scream - -or any of that crap at Arterio - -I WILL YELL - -HOLLER CHEER AND CLAP for him when he makes good plays he wearing Crimson & blue uniform - -dam straight I'm gonna cheer for him as well as everyone else that steps onto that floor for KU -I'll just sit back and let the Judicial system take care of the rest - it's called a legal system that's what it's there for - -to provide justice. I'm far from being able to sit back and be The Judge , - The Jury , - -And Convictioner - -me ? - I'm going to continue to be fan , a true fan that pulls for the team no matter let the other people take care of the off the Court stuff - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG

@jayballer67 To me it's cool if you want to continue to be a fan and pull for him off the court and not associate or like him off the court, but I don't think it's silly or childish for someone else to say they might rethink going to games, giving their money to a program actively lifting up a player in a situation like this.

Feel like this is a big to each his own kind of deal. Everyone has their own personal connection to issues like this so for me I'm gonna do my best not to judge others on their takes here. The only take I have a real problem with is if someone were to say it isn't a big deal and shouldn't even be considered but I haven't seen any of that going around.

@benshawks08 said in Arterio Morris is a Jayhawk:

@jayballer67 To me it's cool if you want to continue to be a fan and pull for him off the court and not associate or like him off the court, but I don't think it's silly or childish for someone else to say they might rethink going to games, giving their money to a program actively lifting up a player in a situation like this.

Feel like this is a big to each his own kind of deal. Everyone has their own personal connection to issues like this so for me I'm gonna do my best not to judge others on their takes here. The only take I have a real problem with is if someone were to say it isn't a big deal and shouldn't even be considered but I haven't seen any of that going around.

Oh it is a very big deal , I'll pull for him on the ourt for sure --yet doesn't mean I have to deal with it off the court. I've got my own problems to worry about- - kinda like the phrase - -let ye who is sinless - - Cast the 1st stone.- -but as long as he is in a KU uniform and on the floor - - -I'm pulling for him , put my trust in Coach Self I'm pretty sure he knows what he is doing -so I'll let him do it

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