May as well start a game thread so we have a place to chat during the season.

Beat them Broncos!

So we won, great. But something just seems off about the Chiefs. Very un Chief like.

What the heck is it?

The defense has been exceptional really. Love that.

Is it Mahomes?

His stats in the box score look great, but he’s making some baaaad decisions most games. He’s even said he needs to clean it up.

Is it the WRs?

We spread the ball around tonight, other than Kelce’s dominance. Still some getting open issues deep. Rice looks like something special eventually.

Bad decisions?

Lots of bad decisions tonight. Andy Reid with some head scratcher play calls. K Toney makes the wrong call on that weird option play. Should of handed it off. Mahomes takes that sack, even when you can hear him telling his players that it’s an all out blitz. That INT was a very bad choice.

Anyway, things just seem off a bit.

Growing pains.

They are sending a lot of deep coverages and WRs are struggling to get open.

D has been exceptional.

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Chiefs season long game thread:

Beat them Broncos!

So we won, great. But something just seems off about the Chiefs. Very un Chief like.

What the heck is it?

The defense has been exceptional really. Love that.

Is it Mahomes?

His stats in the box score look great, but he’s making some baaaad decisions most games. He’s even said he needs to clean it up.

Is it the WRs?

We spread the ball around tonight, other than Kelce’s dominance. Still some getting open issues deep. Rice looks like something special eventually.

Bad decisions?

Lots of bad decisions tonight. Andy Reid with some head scratcher play calls. K Toney makes the wrong call on that weird option play. Should of handed it off. Mahomes takes that sack, even when you can hear him telling his players that it’s an all out blitz. That INT was a very bad choice.

Anyway, things just seem off a bit.

I've said this and talked with other friends of mine and all agree. The thing that could very easily hold the Chiefs back from the Super Bowl this yr - -Their receivers, just not reliable , the only true threat they have or proven threat is Kelce and teams learning and game planning - -KC has no receives eve since Hill and JEW , Jew Smith has left- -they don't have it, to many drops , wrong routes, adding more pressure on Maholmes, they better get it straightened out. find somebody to help Kelce out cause teams gonna take Kelce out of the game , that and on top of the fact Kelce been playing hurt - - -not good

They're young!

@rockchalkjayhawk Think part of it was the result of human nature. They were playing a horrible team and didn't really prep mentally as they will when they play much better teams.

Toney is doing better, I'd put that pass of his in the trash!🤯 We seem to have trouble with short yardage gains. Playing calling in the red zone, short shortage plays?

@COHawk Broncos is much better than their record. They have solid players. The issue is that they are learning a new system. Wilson is playing much better this year.

Watson out a couple of weeks with a dislocated elbow.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Chiefs season long game thread:

Toney is doing better, I'd put that pass of his in the trash!🤯 We seem to have trouble with short yardage gains. Playing calling in the red zone, short shortage plays?

Toney is not meeting expectations. I thought he would be a serviceable receiver not just a gadget player. Chiefs talked him up as a true number one receiver. Maybe he’ll improve, but I think Rice is the guy now.

Andy is not meeting my expectations either! Why in the hell does he keep taking the ball out of the best player in football hands on fourth down? Toney should not be forced into making an option read. Toney should never pass the ball. And Gray should not have to make a 2.5 yard tush push behind a 210 long snapper when you have creed Humphrey on the sideline.

Silly stuff, but still covered because of that amazing defense! Wow have they stepped up this year!!!

@dylans Some strange play calls from Reid, trying to be too cute.

@AsadZ the cute play calling by Reid is getting stupid and easy to predict. It was very costly vs the lions and could’ve been against Denver if they had something that resembled an offense.

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article280682280.html?ac_cid=DM862772&ac_bid=243216 ↗

Jerome Tang being spineless and uneducated. SMH whichever way the wind blows, he’ll be there.

Hey, for once I agree with Tang. The drum is dumb. The chant is stupid and the team name needs to change.

@DanR The argument I always hear is the team was named after a fire chief so it’s totally fine and not appropriation. But even if that is the case, the drum, the name of the stadium, the chant, and all other Native American references gotta go. If they want to rebrand the “chiefs” and make the whole thing fireman related, go for it. They can even keep the colors. But at this point it’s probably easier and best to start over. Probably not gonna happen as long as they are winning super bowls…

Take it to the politics board or another site. Not here, please.

@benshawks08 it’s interesting to me that the word “Chief” could be offensive to anyone. You’d have change the Kansas Chiefs mascot, police chiefs, fire chiefs and potentially CEOs, Etc. I have Native American family by marriage they all go to games and love the chiefs. I could see the chant being offensive to some forsure and they should consider cutting it out. Mostly it’s white folk that decide what’s offensive and what’s not. Which is just silly in my opinion. I have 17 employees underneath me at work. We are all a very close group, 3 of them are black one of them is a very close friend and everytime something pops up as racism on news or wherever. I ask them how they feel about it (I don’t not tolerate racism in the work place under any circumstances) It’s their feelings that should carry the weight. Usually they give me the answer “just another woke white person wanting attention”. This all I’ll say on the matter, just my opinion. You guys and gals are welcome to your own.

@kjayhawks similarly my opinion comes more from listening to others rather than deciding for myself. My perspective comes from having a partner who is native as well as my brother in law, nephew, and soon to come son. So yeah. It’s personal to me. And notice I said, fine keep the name of you want to attach to it to one of the many uses for the word in our current vernacular. My biggest issue is with those who try to argue that the current iteration of the chiefs is unconnected to native culture when it so clearly is.

To the leave politics off this board comment, how is this politics? Did I say politicians should pass a policy forcing the team to change the name? It’s funny when people say a topic that makes uncomfortable to talk about is just politics and therefore inappropriate to bring up in whatever context.

@benshawks08 Maybe you would be more responsive to a request to keep highly charged social controversies out of this part of the sports board. "Politics" really just is shorthand to include any topic about which people bitterly disagree. I am not making that request, but I wish the post about Tang had been in a separate thread.

My Cherokee friends wear Redskins hats because it has an Indian on it and they think it’s awesome- his full blooded grandad is buried in a redskin hat. That is a term I think most folks find offensive, but I can’t for the life of me figure out why Chief would bother anyone. Survivors guilt? Would rather whitewash history and get rid of all references to native Americans than face facts that they were massacred? It’s an opportunity to educate - there is a Native American history museum at arrowhead. The team gets the blessing of local tribes for warhorse and the drum.

There are almost zero references to native Americans in pop culture. Outside of sports there is very little reference to Native Americans in current culture - Yellowstone doesn’t exactly paint them in a good light - money grubbing, covetous, casino owners.

Change the name, remove the museum and let’s forget that those poor sad native Americans ever existed. It’s easier on white people that way - the ostrich approach.

@dylans so the only thing keeping native culture alive is rich white guys naming their sports teams? Or fans doing a chant or banging a drum? Sounds like Tang found out how much native culture still exists outside of those sports and was good enough to listen.

Reservation dogs is a great show. Prey, the most recent predator film, is awesome and there’s many many more.

Look. I’ve hated the chiefs for a long long time. So this is the last I’ll post on this thread. But many years ago I went to a Braves game with my partner and watched her experience their chant in person and that’s not an experience I’ll ever forget. So you know some natives think it’s fine, there are a lot that don’t. It’s funny to me how some feel this isn’t an appropriate conversation for a sports thread. Think hard about that. Maybe just maybe that says something about how appropriate the name is for a sports team in the first place.

I hope the chiefs win this weekend so y’all can get back to talking ball.

Can we lock this thread or move it to politics? It’s off the rails.

Hopefully Gorilla we can add some game discussion this weekend!

Chiefs v Chargers is a good matchup.

First im seeing this. Locking it. Lets move on here and over to politics for further discussion.

For the record i barely read this thread, have no pulse on it, and locking it was not an indictment on the volatility of the content, so much as suggesting that it had veered off topic and might be better suited elsewhere on the board.

Oh it kind of sucks that this is the “season long game thread” and I locked it. On second thought im unlocking it. Please consider separating out a thread where appropriate.

So record predictions for the team this year?

Go Chiefs! Thx @approxinfinity for keeping our game thread active.

Finally CBS switched to the Chiefs!

Come on secondary!

Come on D linemen and linebackers, too!

Mahomes with a pick. Couldn’t follow thru. Was that the first pass to Mecole?

The way things were going before the pick, I was thinking the D will need to at least once keep ‘em from scoring.

Now maybe twice.

Hmm, Rice is a good YACer.

Dang Kelce, death grip! D much better!

@rockchalkjayhawk ?? YACer. Didn't see mecole go in.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@rockchalkjayhawk ?? YACer. Didn't see mecole go in.

Ha. YAC=yards after catch.

I'm getting excited about Rice's potential. Seems to have a spark.

✈️

I like Justin Reid

I ❤️ the Chiefs! I'm becoming a Swiftie🥰😎😂 fan. I don't listen to her music, but I love her bf! He's playing great!

Good team win today. D really stepped up huge in the 2nd half.

@rockchalkjayhawk Kelce counted as TE, Rice has become WR1 which is extraordinary for a rookie in this offense.

How about a big shoutout to Butker, he has been really solid.

I get a feeling that Chiefs vs Dolphins in Germany will become a key factor in AFC #1 seeding.

MVS saying the receivers stepped up this game and put up 31 points. Umm the receivers had 13 receptions for 178 yards. Kelce had 12 receptions for 179. 😂 Kelce is the man!

Bolton out for 2 months. Needs surgery on the dislocated wrist. Boo! hiss!

oh man. that sucks. he's great.

@rockchalkjayhawk I wish we could re-name this team. It's offensive and degrading.

Charger is the name of a horse trained for battle. As in the calvary. Do we really need to glorify these angry, war hungry, bloodthirsty animals by slapping their name across a football jersey? Of course, a charger could also be a plate. Don't even get me started on how we've abused plates over the centuries....

Lighten up people.

Justyn Ross arrested on felony criminal damage charge over $25,000. No details I could find but I can't see the KC Star any more. This stuff seems to follow our teams around lately....

Unfortunately most of these young men have not had good role models.

Even worse, sounds like a domestic violence situation.

From a comment to the article in The Athletic:

The headline is wrong. The Johnson County Sheriff's Office booking report states that he was arrested by the Shawnee Police Department on a charge of criminal damage to property of more than $1000 but less than $25,000. (Someone did not know how to read the > and < symbols.)

@mayjay This hurts although Chiefs are deep at LB and Tranquill played well in his absence. He will have to shoulder the responsibility.

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Chiefs season long game thread:

Even worse, sounds like a domestic violence situation.

Another source says the statute cited deals with damage to an ATM or similar "dispensing" equipment.

It’s a pattern 🐦 View Tweet?s=46&t=c0LiaNrxev6XfT7LIH8dAQ

New court documents released Tuesday show he’s being charged with domestic battery and criminal damage.

Both charges are misdemeanors. The first report was that Ross was arrested and could face felony charges.
The original police records also say his criminal damage amounted to over $1,000 and under $25,000. That has been adjusted to under $1,000 in criminal damage.
Ross’ arraignment was previously set for 1:30 p.m. That was pushed back an hour to 2:30 p.m. Tuesday.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Chiefs season long game thread:

It’s a pattern 🐦 View Tweet?s=46&t=c0LiaNrxev6XfT7LIH8dAQ

What’s a pattern?

Whatever happens in court, do the Chiefs part ways with him?

If so, anybody out there we can sign?

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This Chiefs team could end up being historically good.

For those without twitter

Kansas City Chiefs are the first team to be top 5 in all three phases as of Week 7 since the 1999 Rams!

No 4 offense
No 5 defense
No 2 special teams

Others: 1984 Redskins, 1985 Bears, 1990 Giants, 1991 Redskins, 1996 Packers.

Every one of those teams except the 84 Redskins won the superbowl.

Looks like Justyn Ross is out for awhile.
Basically suspended with pay on the exempt list.

I do not see this impacting Chiefs much if any at all.

On a brighter note, Watson is back practicing.

nope, me neither.

Ross was practicing today.

@Crimsonorblue22 I believe he can practice but not play in, or attend, games. The descriptions in various articles are all over the place. Since everything is still pending and he is still paid, that arrangement seems logical.

@Crimsonorblue22 Scratch my last comment. Apparently he cannot practice either. I do believe he can work out and get medical/trainer care.

Not sure how this fits in with your info! Maybe he practiced Fri before it was announced.

I’d like to know Ross’ side of the story, but “dragging” someone thru your house isn’t the best look. - I’d cut him if there isn’t more to the story and probably even if there is. Zero tolerance for Domestic Violence.

Exempt list rules

What Can You Do While on Commissioner’s Exempt List?

The rules while being on the Commissioner’s Exempt List are set and clear. An NFL player who is on the Exempt List cannot participate in any football activities during that time.

Although the player cannot participate in practice or attend games, they are allowed to be present at the facility for meetings, and workouts and receive treatment if needed.

The players are also paid while on the list. It’s not considered a punishment that comes with a financial loss and is used more as a placeholder for the league to gather further information before they absolve or slap down punishment on a player.

Anyone else think Denver might be a close game today? Mahomes is recovering from the flu and for Denver this is their super bowl game. After today, the Chiefs travel to Germany to play the Dolphins, then play the Eagles. I sure hope our guys don't forget Denver has just enough talent and energy to upset an unfocused Chiefs' team.

I expect a close boring game

Well shit. Maybe literally about Mahomes! Sucks.

If by chance he doesn’t play, think the Chiefs can still win games?

Yes, Denver.

@rockchalkjayhawk It will be challenging but possible, D will need to step up even bigger.

Just read that Mahomes will play, he has been getting IVs

What a poor start. Jeez. Townsend had the flu and had to try to tackle the runnner. Not a good start

Butker had the flu

Mahomes flu game; so far not so good.

Not a great call!

Out of synch

Better regroup at halftime

Not looking good

Team did not come ready.

This can happen when you go on the road against team with a losing record, recall week 3 loss to Colts last year.

Ugh

Bummed! Flu bug and injuries!

Flu sucks, wish Mahomes had more WR help for a day like this.

It's Taylor Swift's fault.

Dang. i didn't get to watch today. I saw some plays on RedZone.

What went wrong?

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Chiefs season long game thread:

What went wrong?

Pretty much everthing except the kickers, from what I could tell.

5 to's. Mecole dropped a punt, turned into a Denver Td. So many mistakes.

Saw the Mecole drop. Figured we solved that problem by signing him!

I also saw a few highlights where Rice and Moore dropped passes — Moore in the endzone.

Sounds like a clumsy day.

Beautiful stadium. Here I just thought Frankfurt was just another name for a hotdog. So, Andy's team waited until Friday to get to Germany, while the much smarter fins got there on Tuesday. All the Chiefs will be playing jetlagged and the Dolphins will be much better adjusted. I saw that Mrs. Mahomes was in NY hanging with Kelsey's girlfriend. I'm guessing they will travel to Germany together to watch the game. I can't believe it, but Kelsey plays better with Taylor in the house. Oh yeah, according to his dad, we are pronouncing Travis's name wrong; it's Kels, not Kel see.

Before you call Andy dumb and Daniel’s (Mr Vaping pot on the sidelines) a genius you ought consider past results. The Chiefs left Thursday which is the exact same as the last time the played an international game and stomped the other team a new mud hole.

Travis Kelce dropped that name news a few years ago and then said both pronunciation’s are fine.

@stoptheflop Maybe the Dolphins will get overwhelmed by 5 days of German food and beer.

That was some jetlagged TD. About time Mahomes and the WRs started to play

Chiefs slept on the plane. Andy's no rook!

KC defense is fully awake. Now it's time for 7 more pts

Get off of them or throw the dang flag!

Enjoying their music. Don't think they play, "fight for your right to party" in KC.

Nice first half. McDuffie mugged Tyreek and forced the fumble; fun return TD after the fumble. Travis Kels sure hasn't done much: 2 rec, 7 yds. Good grief, we have a whole day of NFL after the Chiefs win this one (I hope).

@stoptheflop boy that was fun! Think Hill will shut up now?

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@stoptheflop boy that was fun! Think Hill will shut up now?

I still like Tyreek. I don't mind his comment about the Chiefs shouldn't have traded him. KC was definitely better when he was on the team, so I miss his stellar play. As long as he doesn't beat KC, I'll still like him.

@stoptheflop I’m glad he’s gone, great player terrible human.

@stoptheflop He didn't want to stay in KC, he made that clear. Think it was smart to get value out of him when he would have left anyway.

4pts Chris Jones. 🤦‍♂️

Except for the first drive, Same old predictable play calling in this Frankfurt game

German fans look like they have a good time. Less anger

These announcers, are they new to us? Don't seem to know us. Not as sharp.

Hardman🤬 is he dumb, how many chances does he get back there?

Not a great feeling in this win! But, a win is a win!

It just feels like the chiefs are just hanging on in a lot of these games but I like the bye week comes at a perfect time. The receivers have got to start getting separation and catching the football. Had 3 drops again today, leading the nfl in that category.

Hey, nice win over the Dolphins, a dangerous team.

The offense remains a bit of a mystery this season. I suppose it was nice to see other players not named Kelce involved. Surprise factor. But we needed way more Kelce! I wonder if he was sick or something.

@rockchalkjayhawk dble-teamed

@rockchalkjayhawk Maybe sad. No GF. 😪

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Chiefs season long game thread:

These announcers, are they new to us? Don't seem to know us. Not as sharp.

Dan Orlovski is very football intelligent. He routinely makes good points with well thought out points in the radio.

Rich Eisen is just a boring individual, I have no idea who put him in charge of calling games. He lacks emotion, everything is deadpanned. Lousy game day announcer, but ok on sports center.

@dylans said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Chiefs season long game thread:

These announcers, are they new to us? Don't seem to know us. Not as sharp.

Dan Orlovski is very football intelligent. He routinely makes good points with well thought out points in the radio.

Rich Eisen is just a boring individual, I have no idea who put him in charge of calling games. He lacks emotion, everything is deadpanned. Lousy game day announcer, but ok on sports center.

Rich Eisen is a pompous douche.

Chiefs O is just not good enough, cannot sustain drives, too many drops and penalties. Cannot convert 3rd & 1.

Chiefs D is very good.

Having said that Chiefs are still in 1st place with 7-2 so as a fan I should not complain too much.

Hopefully, with a bye they can regroup and come back with greater focus.

As a side note, ripping ball out of Cheeta's hands for a touchdown was sweet. The play had 3 plays in it. McDuffie is next Chiefs legendary player.

Veatch and scouts have done an incredible job in drafting D players but not so much on O side.

So the Chiefs offense is still about Top 10 in all categories or better. That being said, they were overall No. 1 to No. 3 the last few seasons.

But, their yards per game was 413 in 2022, but down to 368 per game this season.

Hard to say if it's the chicken or the egg that may be causing some issues. Coaching, lack of WRs, or general decline because the league has caught up.

@AsadZ Pacheco, Humphrey, Smith, Rice,
to name a few ...not so bad in my estimation. (Yes, Rice has some drops. Mahomes has some fumbles and interceptions. Why expect a rookie to be error-free?)

So what's the deal with Toney? Why can't we game plan to get him more touches? He seems to make things happen after he catches/receives the ball. Just like Rice.

@mayjay O line has been good except for Smith who was not drafted by Veatch.

My comment has more to do with WRs. Drops are across the board, not just Rice. Pacheo has been solid and need more touches.

Play calling! Run on 1st and 2nd and 3rd we go really long when we need 4-7

Fire Nagy, get a real OC. The loss of Bienemy and WR coach (Embery?)is apparently bigger than many thought it could be. Juju being replaced by Rice shouldn’t cause this big of a drop off.

Also Veach kinda sucks so far at identifying Offensive skill players. Maybe if he threw more resources at it the results would be better? Almost all his draft picks have been on the defensive side.

@AsadZ said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@mayjay O line has been good except for Smith who was not drafted by Veatch.

I was talking about Trey Smith, drafted by Veatch. Seems pretty good to me. Are you thinking about Donovan Smith, acquired in free agency, who has not been great?

https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/10/kansas-city-chiefs-trey-smith-has-nfl-longest-snap-streak-without-allowing-sack/ ↗

@mayjay Oh yes

I’m referring to Smith who was signed as a free agent.

The Chiefs game felt like the KU game over the weekend: stupidity and turnovers.

The chiefs have a major issue with catching the ball, continuing to lead the league in that category. They said on the radio this morning that drop number is the highest in over 10 years for the first 11 weeks of season. Fans have seen saying all year, Reid said they were fine at the position before the trade deadline and it couldn’t be a more a BS comment.

They cannot score in the 2nd half, 3 games in a row with 0 points in 2nd half.

Is Reid being outcoached?

If Kelce shuts his mouth and doesn’t fumble the Chiefs win. If Mahomes doesn’t throw a red zone interception, they win. If MVS could catch a ball, any ball, they win. Doesn’t seem like a coaching issue, but if it is the difference from the best offense in football last year and the product this year is Nagy and JuJu. In the offseason fire Nagy, cut MVS - pickup a decent veteran wide receiver to steady the group and draft a couple young guys. Problem is the 1st round pick likely needs used on a new tackle as they both suck. (Oh and Andy won’t fire Nagy, he kept Sutton around for years)

Dros and penalties have been a major issue all season long.

Teams are double/triple teaming Kelce and Chiefs WRs still cannot get open, and when they do get open, they drop the ball.

MVS has been a major disappointment, I have watched the open TD play now several times and still SMH.

@dylans said in Chiefs season long game thread:

If Kelce shuts his mouth and doesn’t fumble the Chiefs win. If Mahomes doesn’t throw a red zone interception, they win. If MVS could catch a ball, any ball, they win. Doesn’t seem like a coaching issue, but if it is the difference from the best offense in football last year and the product this year is Nagy and JuJu. In the offseason fire Nagy, cut MVS - pickup a decent veteran wide receiver to steady the group and draft a couple young guys. Problem is the 1st round pick likely needs used on a new tackle as they both suck. (Oh and Andy won’t fire Nagy, he kept Sutton around for years)

Yup, well said.
I was pleased they gave Pacheco some touches. That was a positive. Beast. Honestly, cut ALL the receivers except Rice. Then just give him end arounds and shorts slants, let him YAC it up.

Play calling has been suspect at times this year. Last night seemed OK.

The Kelce fumble was surprising. But before the game started, looking at the rain, I thought the game could easily come down to a slippery fumble or weird play or two.

I truly think Mahomes has been off his game. Inaccurate a lot. He’s tossed multiple picks when he lazily lofts it over defenders.

Teams have adapted to how the Chiefs play & they have adjusted. - -What have the Chiefs done ? - -Nothing , like they were saying on first take - -why in the hell did the Chiefs not go out and get a receiver during free agency ? -Team are taking Kelce out of the game - -doubling him , even tripling him and daring the chiefs to bet them with what they have left.

They said like KC has not scored a point in the 2nd half , been outscored like 38-0 in the 2nd half in the last 3 games . -Maholmes starting to press a little/frustration sitting in - - - --- - -5 dropped passes last night the Chiefs have now dropped 26 passes for the season which is the most since the 2017 -49ers -- just not going well right now.

They are getting blasted on the TV , saying the organization is to blame for doing nothing -- not good right now

@AsadZ said in Chiefs season long game thread:

Dros and penalties have been a major issue all season long.

Teams are double/triple teaming Kelce and Chiefs WRs still cannot get open, and when they do get open, they drop the ball.

MVS has been a major disappointment, I have watched the open TD play now several times and still SMH.

I’m kinda torn on the MVS drop. At first glance I thought Mahomes overthrew him. Replays showed it was a good throw, catchable. But MVS really had to accelerate, put on the jets to catch up with the pass. So, wish he would have caught it. Not easy though.

Can we just cut Watson today? A giant embarrassment.

When Mahomes screws up in any fashion, throw in the towel. He gets so frustrated he can't even pass gas. It seems very easy to get him rattled.

lol. And the wretched Chiefs sit in pole position of the AFC with tie breakers over the Dolphins and Jags. Would be an excellent year for a team like the Packers that squandered all of Rodgers prime. Or the Chargers that are absolutely wasting Justin Herbert. The Charger situation makes me sad as that could make for some great games if they ever figure it out.

The Chiefs seem to have some scheduling luck from here on out. Helpful that Burrow is out. New England not great. The Raiders hopefully gonna Raider.

So, favorable outlook at least.

@rockchalkjayhawk They should finish first in the AFC and host another AFC championship game at Arrowhead. The team is deeply flawed in the wr room though so it’ll be interesting leaning on the defense for a change.

Best D under Reid

@AsadZ I still think the O will improve, we have mahomes!

Scoreless in the second half the last three games. Only 13 points (1 TD and 2 Field Goals) in the last 5 games second half. Something is screwed up. This was a team that could score in 2 minutes on a whim to come back and win the past three years.

@DanR they're too big for their britches. Success has ruined them. It happens all the time.

Instead of football, Mahomes is thinking of Whataburger, the Royals, Sporting KC and the 2,000 commercials he's in. Kelce is thinking about TS.

@nuleafjhawk said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@DanR they're too big for their britches. Success has ruined them. It happens all the time.

Instead of football, Mahomes is thinking of Whataburger, the Royals, Sporting KC and the 2,000 commercials he's in. Kelce is thinking about TS.

Them two are constantly on the TV. Way too many commercials.

@nuleafjhawk I’d think the baby is more front and center than commercials that were shot over the summer. It’s not like he cuts out at halftime to shoot the commercials live.

If I were Mahomes I’d be day dreaming of having a different receiving corps. If Kelce was gone and this continues for a couple more years, I’d worry about him pulling a Brady and going to a stacked team with no QB.

After the Chiefs' game, I'll be looking in on and cheering for the Chargers over the Ravens.

From NBC's Pro Football Talk:

On Saturday, Raiders safety Roderic Teamer emerged from injured reserve. On Sunday, his return to game action was derailed.

Via Vincent Bonsignore of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Teamer was arrested on DUI charges this morning.

Teamer will not play in Sunday’s game against the Chiefs.

@stoptheflop Chargers gonna Charger. Don’t wager would be my advice. lol. I’m rooting for them too!

Also rooting for the Broncos over the Browns. Weird to be rooting for two AFC West teams to win

Chiefs slept thru the first quarter today.
Woke up in the second.
Hoping Pacheco’s energy is contagious.

I honestly don’t think Mahomes the problem in the slightest. Still top 5 in every statistical category with his team leading the NFL in drops. Does he have some high risk throws, maybe some that aren’t intelligent..,yes. But always had that. If guys could catch he’s probably the leading MVP candidate right now. Add about 250 yards and 4 TDs, plus taking away 2 or 3 picks.

Looking great tonight! Winners!

Rice looking really good! Pacheco 🥰

Come on Chiefs! D needs to get a stop! We can't get a TD!

Hanging in there, although the offense is still weirdly impotent

This Chief's team would get demolished by KU.

OHYESTHEYWOULD

Why do the Chiefs keep #74? He costs them dearly every game.

TD!

54%? We have a tough time in the red zone w/4 tries. Much better series. Come on D!

Will the Chiefs make it thru two straight games without the opponent having a penalty accepted on them?

Anybody see the Meritrust commercial w/Jalon Daniels in it?

Cook sounds bad!😢🙏❤️

Well He!!

Defense is making Jordan Love look like Tom Brady

Still think chefs win this but Nagy has to go. At some point Patrick needs to call some audibles

Free play and throw a 2 yard pass

Imagine having the best player in the nfl and running the wildcat

Sorry to be a Debbie downer. Love Pacheco but no one wants to see him this much

Crap! Lucky

@DanR that shovel was to Clyde, you mean that?

@Crimsonorblue22 no, the direct snap to Pacheco a play earlier while Mahomes was not even on the field

Wildcat

Need a TO!

Let's go O!

10 worse holds than that but at least they called one

If they give up 7 here, it’s all done but the crying

D had been great. Offense is hobbled by horrible play calling and fear of Mahomes getting touched

No long throwing plays!

Pi

2 times grabbed

@DanR i do! I want to see him on every f-ing play. Especially since Mahomes forgot how to throw and nobody can catch anyway

Crap

Damn

See what I mean?

We didn't need that

@nuleafjhawk yeah. I’m living in the past where Mahomes was good. He’s been pretty bad all season tbh

@DanR I have a theory about that, but nobody likes to hear it.

D can step up and we have a chance still

I wish the Chiefs would lose at noon or three so I could go to bed on time.

Pulled a hammy trying to stay in bounds good grief nfl

90% of the issue offensively are the receivers imo

Nagy and Embree suck. WR can’t catch.

🤮🤮🤮

Why the fair catch?

Clock

I feel like he was going to run it back all the way

Foot was out

Down

@Crimsonorblue22 yeah, but the announcers want GB to win so damn bad

Love Love Love Love Love ❤️

MVS was just watching?

Dumb! What about the other guy?

Omg

HOW IS THAT NOT PI??

I'm suing the NFL

Wow refs suck

Didn't we use to throw a sock out there to challenge ?

I watched it again. It was NOT pass interference.

It was a gang style mugging

Sure glad I stayed up for that

Fail and move on. Refs were a embarrassing disgrace

Refs will get a looking at

Jobbed at Lambeau. Totally swallowed the whistle in the last minute. What a joke.

They kicked the wrong guy out of the game too. Why can't they go back and look at replay to see who instigated?

@bskeet Pacheco should have kept his cool. Silly to punch someone wearing a helmet. MVS gives great piggyback rides! Everyone wants one it appears. Kelce’s back was chilly so it was nice of that GB defender to warm it up in the end zone!

Oh well. Should’ve played a cleaner game.

Same record as the Hawks. Both teams need to win out now!

only one problem. They might of sucked agree , because if they would of got the call right, when they called Green Bay for unnecessary roughness right t mid field when that was a bullshit call, as Maholmes one foot had just reached the sideline good hit. - -If you was listening to the review gut said afterwards he said -- -THAT was not unnecessary roughness, so the later calls would of been irrelevant

Or better yet all the Chiefs had to do was with their vaunted defense had to do was stop Green Bay when they had the Ball- - BUT they didn't stop the youngest team in the NFL.- - -Again sure it was an obvious pass interference on GB but it evens out for sure----time to move on

Holy crap. That was a comedy show. I don’t even know where to start! Wow.

Sooo many bad calls. Play calls and ref calls. So many. What on earth was that third down with seconds left on the clock where PM chucked it out of bounds??? Just a wasted chance to score! Incredible.

And the injuries! What, we lost five guys before the half?

That was comically bad on so many levels. Green Bay! Green Bay!

I’m so steamed I can’t even put a thought together. Grrr.

Not looking good for the Chiefs.

@rockchalkjayhawk If it makes you feel better the team that just got the biggest win of their year only got to hear about terrible reffing in the post game on tv. Love is only under contract for the rest of the year, so they’ve got to navigate that this offseason. I am glad they got this moment. Now let’s hope the Chiefs figure out their WRs after Rice!

@dylans said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@rockchalkjayhawk If it makes you feel better the team that just got the biggest win of their year only got to hear about terrible reffing in the post game on tv. Love is only under contract for the rest of the year, so they’ve got to navigate that this offseason. I am glad they got this moment. Now let’s hope the Chiefs figure out their WRs after Rice!

I am totally blowing off steam here as i just finished watching, so excuse my anger!

Ha. maybe an iota better about the post game. I'll have to check that out. I don't blame the refs entirely for the loss. YES, that massive missed call was hugely significant. But, the Chiefs just don't look very good right now.

And yes, since the preseason i've been moaning about WRs, or the lack of. It's THE issue this year. So our only possible play to a WR tonight was essentially a screen to Rice???? Fer effs sake!

That's bad, folks. This season, as it sinks, can be blamed entirely on the GM.

@rockchalkjayhawk I blame Veach for the overpay on Taylor and the lack of WR options. But Chris Jones is just as culpable. If Orlando Brown signs for the same deal he got at cinci or Chris Jones shows up or signs long term deal he was offered, the chiefs have cap space to sign Hopkins and this mess is behind us. Two selfish players and a miscalculation by the GM has taken a Super Bowl winning team to a team that is likely to get bounced in the afc championship game. (If the playoffs started today I believe the chiefs would play Pittsburg and then Miami - very winnable games)

The last 6 games starting with the GB game have every single opponent getting more rest than the Chiefs. That’s not the best. The Bills are coming off their bye and pissed. Should be a good game.

After the Eagles game, I thought the Chiefs could run the table. Softish schedule other than the Bills and Bengals, who have their own problems.

@dylans I’m not smart enough to follow the cash flow by the GM and how that affects the comings and goings. But, your explanation makes sense. The Chiefs put it all on the shoulders of Mahomes and Kelce. They need more help.

Yes I've been Gb fan for life, BUT doesn't mean I don't like KC except when they play GB. - -Maholmes is an absolute stud -has been from day one, BUT some friends and I have talked/had talked before the season and just as Dylans has sad - - KC has no receivers , and it's going to cost them. - Other teams are finding ways to take Travis out of the game and are tell KC now beat us with what you got.

Kelce and Pat can't do it by themselves - -they need help . Valdez was better then this at Gb, not great but better then now. - -. KC but is beat up , but yet you want beat up -- look at Gb injury report it's insane -- I think KC will be fine, but they do have some problems on offense with the receivers that need addressed or they are not making any superbowl.

@jayballer67 said in Chiefs season long game thread:

Kelce and Pat can't do it by themselves - -they need help . Valdez was better then this at Gb, not great but better then now. - -. KC but is beat up , but yet you want beat up -- look at Gb injury report it's insane -- I think KC will be fine, but they do have some problems on offense with the receivers that need addressed or they are not making any superbowl.

MVS had one of his better statistical years last year. He is terrible now. Historically he has sucked as well - just above 50% on his career catch rate.

No doubt GB is beat up. That skating rink is wretched to play on, it’s what caused a bunch of KC’s current injuries. It’s a home field advantage to have people get injured when you’re at a talent disadvantage, so they won’t fix it (just add heat to the grass with water lines to soften the surface), even if it costs them a few players too.

For people calling for Nagy to be fired, he doesn’t call the plays, Reid does. Gotta move on quickly here, piss poor game plan and execution, coupled with poor officiating.

Besides rookie WR Rice, the group in general has been a disappointment.

Mahomes and WRs are not on the same page, out of synch.

I was hoping Sky Moore will have sophomore improvement in play and it did not happen.

@jayballer67 Mahomes is not that studdish any more. I've seen him overthrow and underthrow more passes this season than all his other seasons combined. He's got too much money to concentrate on - not football.

Mahomes is genuinely a highly competitive professional. I just can’t imagine him not concentrating on football.

He is not having a great season like years before, coupled with WRs not in sync with him with drops and penalties are main issues with the offense.

@nuleafjhawk said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@jayballer67 Mahomes is not that studdish any more. I've seen him overthrow and underthrow more passes this season than all his other seasons combined. He's got too much money to concentrate on - not football.

I undrestand and yet I think part of that is again these receives he is dealing with. Not running the right routes-- - - cutting routes off to soon , to late ---slant instead of diagonal - -just bad receiving corp for sure

Mahomes' problem is that he has lost confidence in the receivers. Last week, he zipped the ball and his passes were on target. Last night and almost every time he has been intercepted, he has been way too cautious--looking like he is trying to place the ball, and everyone knows it is almost a lob rather than a bullet. I think that is also messing up receivers' timing. They look like they are so afraid of making mistakes that they are doing exactly that.

Rx: Simplify the damned routes, and send a couple deep many times. EVERY other freaking team is getting WRs open deep. We have given that up.

The other big problem is PM is staying in the pocket as it collapses. His uniqueness has always been scrambling and finding a way to get the ball to the receiver. The routes being run this year look set in stone, crushing creativity at both ends.

Hard to look good when guys drop passes that hit them in both hands. Week 1 Mahomes INT loses game - that hit Toney perfectly. Against the iggles Watson dropped a 4th down pass that hit him squarely in his mitts, after MVS dropped a perfect bomb a few plays earlier. - that’s the difference between running away from the field to being a game back.

Look at how good Burrow’s backup looked tonight with all those weapons!!! Now imagine KC without Mahomes. 😱

For anyone that hasn’t seen, the report on last weekends NFL refs is out. The no call on MVS pass interference was deemed correct. The throw was considered uncatchable since it was to MVS and he was just going to drop it anyway.

@dylans said in Chiefs season long game thread:

For anyone that hasn’t seen, the report on last weekends NFL refs is out. The no call on MVS pass interference was deemed correct. The throw was considered uncatchable since it was to MVS and he was just going to drop it anyway.

Ouch! (haha)

Does anyone else feel like the Bills game is a must win for Mahomes? Wow has he fallen to average or below average this year. Everyone blames his averageness on the Wideouts, but he's not the same athlete he's been. Meanwhile, Tyreek has almost 1500 yds. At the time, I didn't think losing Tyreek was going to hurt this much. Anyway, McKinnon and Edwards-Helaire must step up. It will be interesting to see if Bolton is back as a game changing force. Go Chiefs!

@stoptheflop That offense would struggle to score in the double digits without Mahomes. Those receivers are trash. Pacheco is above average, but can’t carry the team (and is injured for trying). Veach has neglected the receiver position for years, now it’s caught up with them. - let’s play revisionist history here - Toney catches the balls thrown his way in week one - chiefs are now 9-3. MVS doesn’t drop that perfectly placed bomb against the eagles - 10-2. Now eliminate half the drops - the only category the WR lead the league in - give those yards to Mahomes, take away 1-2 interceptions that good receivers would have snagged. Skyy Moore ran the wrong route on a recent Mahomes interception (unfortunately not the only miscue) - the Chiefs would be in first place of the AFC by a game with the best record in the NFL and Mahomes would be leading the MVP race.

This is Veach’s fault for neglecting the strength of the team (passing offense) to try and build up a weakness (defense) and had made the team mediocre as a result. I say lean into your strengths and try to patch up your weakness instead of the other way around.

A positive stat to put Mahomes greatness in perspective - Patrick Mahomes' . 583 winning % in games when he is losing by 10, is ranked 41st out of 178 quarterbacks in win % with their win rates being across all games. ie If Mahomes spotted the other team 10 points he would still by the 41st most winning QB of all time.

Mahomes' win rate when losing by 10 is equal to Joe Burrows overall win rate, and better than HOFers Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner, and Warren Moon's overall win %.

That is pure insanity! We are so stinking spoiled it’s amazing.

@stoptheflop Yes I feel like the Bills game is a must win!

They just need to get their swagger back offensively. It starts up front, I haven’t been impressed with the tackles on the offensive line. They have a high number of penalties and have gave up quite a few sacks. Better play calling, maybe the receivers can’t catch the ball more than 5 yards off the line because they don’t try to go deep til the 2 minute drill.

@kjayhawks I’m pretty excited about Wayna Morris setting over the injured Smith! Taylor is good at pass pro, but Collinsworth put a hit on him the first game and it’s had year long repercussions. If those two can be the tackles going forward that frees up draft capital for a WR!!! Or a Chris Jones replacement 😒 (just the though of losing Chris makes me sad) in the first round.

@dylans that’s the deal with the cap right now. If they don’t win it this season, they could be in trouble for the next five years. Don’t get me wrong, they still be a playoff caliber team but Kelce ain’t getting no younger and Jones is likely gone.

KC is a slight favorite today. But the Bills have some weird wins and losses this year.

So, I got no clue how to predict this one given the Chiefs glut of injuries.

But, Bolton is back.

That’s why ya play em, I suppose.

BTW, what the hell is that weird emblem logo thing on the Browns field???

@kjayhawks yup. Only 34 million in cap space with 34 players signed. Cut MVS to free up 10?million with a 4million dead cap I believe. Then you need 20 guys for the 53 + the practice squad with 44million to play with. Makes hitting on draft picks crucial. That kstate turd needs polished up or that was a huge waste of a first round pick.

Delayed by the Browns. Great.
This feels like a late KU basketball game on ESPN, awaiting the LA Tech womens game to end.

Gonna try as best as they can to miss the playoffs apparently

Good series, love the bench press

@kjayhawks said in Chiefs season long game thread:

Gonna try as best as they can to miss the playoffs apparently

Again same song 2nd verse. - Chies got issues- - -more dropped passes - -very catchable passes. They have no receivers other then Kelce, you can see the frustration in Kelce bulding 2 offensive PI's one flag was picked up.

Hang on to the ball! Looking good!

Tied!

I'm not drinking the kool-aid anymore. Mahomes is no better than any other QB. And not as good as a lot of them

@nuleafjhawk how would you pin that loss on Mahomes logically? Wide receivers continued to drop passes, fumble and line up in the neutral zone. Offensive line is hot garbage, if the chiefs had an nfl receiver room. They’d be 12-1 right now. Can’t expect Mahomes to do magic every week and year.

I put the majority of the blame on the management. They knew the receivers and the line was a problem for the last several months. Didn’t trade anyone or make any moves to improve the situation. The run in KC maybe be done.

@kjayhawks the play that Toney screwed up was so pretty! Ugh! 🤢🤮😢😡

@kjayhawks he threw at least 5 passes directly into the dirt. We can't keep blaming receivers for not catching passes that are not catch-able. He's making terrible decisions. Overthrowing and underthrowing. He's easily rattled. He's not the same.

@nuleafjhawk most of what I saw the ones he threw in the dirt were intentionally as throw aways under pressure. I’m not saying he hasn’t missed some throws but the chiefs have led the NFL in drops since week 2 they have to hit the receivers hands to be deemed a drop. Get rid of Mahomes and this team ain’t winning 5 games.

@Crimsonorblue22 Toney has cost them 2 wins plain and simple. Mello Dotson whom just announced he will return to KU next season has more receiving TDs than Toney and Sky if you count pick 6s. That’s absolutely unacceptable and pathetic.

@nuleafjhawk said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@kjayhawks he threw at least 5 passes directly into the dirt. We can't keep blaming receivers for not catching passes that are not catch-able. He's making terrible decisions. Overthrowing and underthrowing. He's easily rattled. He's not the same.

and exactly why do you think he is not the same ? - -it's because he doesn't have any receivers. -- Like kjayhawks said the Chiefs are leading the League in dropped passes. - You continue to place fault , where there is fault - The Golden rule in the NFL is if it hit you in your hands - -it should be caught, that's why you get paid all the money. You can't expect every pass to be gift wrapped and personally dropped into their hands with a big bow from Mahomes , - if your listening you have head the play by play guys talk numerous times about how they are dropping passes.

I will agree with you Mahomes is getting rattled - -who wouldn't ? - -Again a perfect example Patrick threw a lazer /on a rope to his receiver and he drops it. After awhile that as a Qb is going to start to get under your skin. I have said from Day one this Season , if there is a reason that the Chiefs won't make it back to the super bowl it's going to be because of their receivers - -they don't have any,the only true target he can throw to is Kelce, and teams have started to taking him out of the game by doubling up and just daring the Chiefs to try and beat them with the rest that they have got. - - So they haven't been able to do that and teams are starting to not respect their game challenging the receives. Really no big del with me, just what I've seen and heard, Chiefs aren't even y 1st team but you can't put this on Pat - he has to get help putting to much pressure on him when they can't produce. - Tooney has cost them dearly. - - -- Scantling has killed them with dropped pass after dropped pass - -Receives running wrong routes , cutting their route off short. - No this is not on Patrick.

@kjayhawks I'm not saying to get rid of him. Well maybe I am because I'm ticked. But not really. Anyway, he needs to get his head straight. All of them do. Too many non football distractions on this team. Not just Swift related distractions.

@jayballer67 aren't you a Packers fan?

@nuleafjhawk distractions are for sure a problem

Well, here we are with the Chiefs.

Injuries sure didn’t help today.

I just don’t have the same faith in the team. That feeling they could pull off crazy shit just ain’t there anymore.

Weirdness: you could argue they have one of the top defenses in the AFC. Second fewest points against so far (I think). The offense in points scored is middle of the pack-ish. An odd turnaround!

Their remaining scheduled isn’t brutal. So, I think the playoffs are in reach, but they’ve brought themselves back to the pack. And it’s a crowded pack. Only a one game lead in the West?

Not looking like a Super Bowl team at the moment.

@rockchalkjayhawk Super Bowl. No, but crazy things happen in single elimination tournaments. Get Mahomes to the dance and see what happens - the results would be better if someone could catch a dang ball!

@dylans said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@rockchalkjayhawk Super Bowl. No, but crazy things happen in single elimination tournaments. Get Mahomes to the dance and see what happens - the results would be better if someone could catch a dang ball!

If only!

I'm not giving up! Saw some of the mahomes and Kelce magic at the end. Rice is getting better. Pacheco will be back. Tranquil too. A lot of injuries.

@nuleafjhawk said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@jayballer67 aren't you a Packers fan?

yep sure am, but doesn't mean kind see the obvious with another team. - -The problem is the receivers, not Maholmes

@jayballer67 I have all kinds of answers for that, but I'll just say at this point you value Mahomes a lot more than I do. I'm not impressed with his ability to hit open receivers.

@nuleafjhawk said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@jayballer67 I have all kinds of answers for that, but I'll just say at this point you value Mahomes a lot more than I do. I'm not impressed with his ability to hit open receivers.

I'll just reply by saying you don't get voted MVP 2 for being a bad poor throwing bad decision making QB.- Most the throws you talking about throwing in the dirt or just off was because he was throwing the ball away to avoid losing sack yardage or Int from receivers running the wrong routes, you under value and under estimate just exactly how lucky you are to have a QB with the talent of Maholmes - -I can name about 26 other NFL franchises that would love to have Maholmes -you have a future Hall of Fame QB in your presence you need to appreciate him while you have him

@jayballer67 your opinion

Look, I will volunteer my Bears to take him off your hands. Feeling generous today!

@nuleafjhawk said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@jayballer67 your opinion

yes sir, and thank you and you have yours and I appreciate that at least you are civil about things and have been able to discuss without getting hateful - -greatful for that bud.- --

@jayballer67 Thanks - to you as well!

What kind of people have civil arguments about sports on the internet? What's wrong with you guys?

@wissox self preservation. Trying to keep the blood pressure down!

@wissox For lotsa squabbling on sports, you should go to the comments on any article about the Chiefs on The Athletic. "The hate is strong in that one."

What a ugly , ugly game to try and watch tonight between Green Bay and NY.- these teams looks really , really bad. Thing about it is as bad as Gb has played they still in this mess. -- just ugly

@jayballer67 GB played the game of their lives at least Love when KC was in town. Chiefs like KU get everyone’s best with hype and being defending champs.

This is why GB won't have to worry about any playoffs, you a fan such as myself - -games like this is what causes you to seek therapy

@kjayhawks said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@jayballer67 GB played the game of their lives at least Love when KC. Chiefs like KU get everyone’s best with hype and being defending champs.

No actually he has hd a good 4 game stretch before tonight.- -- He was the 1stGb Qb to go through 3 games with throwing three TD games with no INT's including Brett & Rogers

@jayballer67 Love was on a heater.

@dylans said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@jayballer67 Love was on a heater.

sure the hell not tonight though looks really bad

And the puke colored uniformed Packers lose, we can all be thankful for that.

Oh crap! What about the Rice call? Offensive hold?🤢😡 er offensive pass interference I guess

The tv guys talk to much!

We are ahead in the first quarter!

Sneed, turn around! Ball right there

Chiefs are done.

@nuleafjhawk another Mahomes pick that hits his receiver in the hands, I think that’s 5 this season.

Get a TD here and get the ball after half be fine.

I’m not too disappointed on this half, key plays are the pick and missed FGs or it’s 17-7. Mahomes looks super sharp 13/15 183 yards.

Pick was a jump ball! Bell no less!

@nuleafjhawk now now!

There’s another drop

I’m honestly starting to feel for Mahomes with out the 36 dropped passes he probably gets another MVP award or is atleast in the conversation.

Willie Gay!

CEH

Hopefully they took notes what a catch by CEH.

Stud!

@Crimsonorblue22 I don’t get why people don’t like him. I honestly think all 3 RBs are good players.

Don't like these announcers! Last PI on them he was holding his shirt!

@kjayhawks yeah, just Pacheco is so good. He has the chance to prove himself now.

D is just warming up!

@Crimsonorblue22 Pacheco is my favorite player but McKinnon and CEH are both solid as well

Now 2 straight drops and a punt again smh

Sneed putting the hurt on that guy! Ouch

Toney ? Starting to lose faith

Another perfect throw by Mahomes ends up picked smh

All in all a good day for KC, pretty much locks them into the playoffs

Toney has been a disaster this year. He was supposed to be WR1 coming into the season.

@AsadZ said in Chiefs season long game thread:

Toney has been a disaster this year. He was supposed to be WR1 coming into the season.

May be time to cut bait. He’s a liability at this point. Jarvis Landry is available.

I’ve never seen Mahomes so frustrated, WRs can’t catch the damn balls.

@Crimsonorblue22 it's how I cope!

@kjayhawks 😋

@AsadZ Toney needs to be an ex-Chief.

@nuleafjhawk listen to that part on the way to basketball practice for my son. Mitch pretty much called out the WR corps as he should. “Mahomes now has thrown 13 inceptions this season and over half are off his receivers hands. That ties a career high”. Crazy to think about how he is on pace to have his most accurate year completion percentage wise while his team leads the league in drops. They also said this team is 4 away from the most drops in NFL history since they have kept the stat. Sounds like historically bad group of receivers.

Hey, always nice to win a roadie! Wins are mandatory for the Chiefs at this point to be in good playoff standing.

And Wow. Mahomes is sure starting to lose some poise, huh. Hard to believe that Veach has stuck to his guns and stood pat on receiver help. Shocking really. If schmucks like me can see we are hurtin badly and ruining a Super Bowl window with a HOF QB…cmon, man!

The problem is that I half like and half don’t like Toney. He’s hard nosed as hell once he actually catches the ball, but that seems to be the hard part. Can we just make him a RB? :)

CEH is not effing around! Love it. Bulldozer.

Travis is starting to show his age I think. That sucks :(

Keep them wins comin, Chiefs!

@kjayhawks said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@Crimsonorblue22 I don’t get why people don’t like him. I honestly think all 3 RBs are good players.

CEH? Slow, lack of vision.

@rockchalkjayhawk So, you'd rather have Toney fumble than drop passes? :grinning_squinting_face:

@nuleafjhawk At least he get’s the tour over that way instead of Mahomes. Crazy that Toney had cost the Chiefs 2 games this year. He’s so talented, but seems to lack game awareness.

I’m beginning g to wonder if Toney might have smaller hands, leading to difficulty catching the ball. Just a thought.

Ha, Arrowhead Pride dogging on the receivers too.

The Chiefs can’t keep putting receivers Marquez Valdes Scantling, Skyy Moore, and Kadarius Toney on the field and expect positive things to happen. It’s madness.

Couldn’t just about any combination of players muster the 22 combined yards of offense these guys gave us on Sunday?

We have 14 games of experiential data. It says that when these guys are on the field, negative things happen. If we replaced Valdes-Scantling, Toney and Moore with practice squad receivers Cornell Powell, Montrell Washington and Daniel Arias, would there actually be any drop-off in production? Or would it be just a drop-off in turnovers?

At some point, you have to amputate the gangrenous leg, so that it doesn’t infect the entire body.

Well there ya go. One WR question answered: Skyy Moore to IR list.

Will they elevate Justyn Ross, or call in some new blood?

@rockchalkjayhawk I would think call in J Ross

Go Chiefs, all I want for Christmas is a victory!🎁

The Chiefs offensive line forgot they had a game this morning

Good gosh! Can we get a 1st down?

This is ugly raiders are up pressing the WRs on the line and sending extra rushers basically saying you can’t throw it

Nice catch by Rice! Just short. Need a break.

@Crimsonorblue22 I want world peace. My wish has a much greater chance of happening than yours.

Alright, much better! Like Pacheco's play! 🫶😍❤️

@nuleafjhawk that last possession looked dang good!

What in the hell

Mahomes not playing smart

Gotta have drama in a Chiefs Raiders game. Was not expecting this though!

I’ve defended Mahomes a lot this season but this first half is on him

@kjayhawks nope. But still averages over 100k per pass, so he's happy

@nuleafjhawk I guarantee he's not very happy!

This is reminding me of the mid-70s...Podolak into the line twice for 4 yards, pass for 3, then punt.

Defense is playing great but offense just can’t do nothing today. Raiders get 6 here and it’s all done but the crying.

Sums up the receiver core with that play just stop and make zero attempt to get the football

Townsend should be the starting QB

@nuleafjhawk don’t matter if it was Jesus at QB for this team

Unless he can block and catch for himself 🤣

Why would Chiefs hold Christmas party last night with players coaches and their spouses. This should have been today or earlier in the week.

No wonder they were not ready to play.

Hunt should return ticket money to fans, this is embarrassing, hate losing to Raiders.

@kjayhawks I feel like He could help!

Oh well.

Our QB makes more money than your QB

Jeez. What’s up with the Chiefs this year. Crazy. They look like they have zero juice in em.

If I weren’t a Chiefs fan, I’d be wondering if Mahomes was in debt to a Vegas crime mob. Some of his multiple turnovers were outright questionable.

Eff da Raidas!

@rockchalkjayhawk mahomes was the only one trying the second half, got lit up a few times in doing so

@nuleafjhawk that’s why Brady’s records in super bowls will never be touched. Mahomes could’ve took a lesser contract and had offensive linemen/receivers. Oddly enough he’s only like the 6th highest paid QB

Is Pacheco not strapping his helmet on?

@kjayhawks you're preaching to the choir, my friend. Money is PM's true love now. His game will never be the same.

Veach does a lot of good, but he’s waited a lot of cap space too. - 20mil per year on Taylor. Yikes. Thuney is a huge cap hit at GUARD! MVS…any money is wasted there. There was an opportunity to have Hopkins on this team (or just retain the most dynamic receiver in football!!!). Spent all his cap with no receivers. Just not the best move, I expect they will rectify it this offseason.

Mahomes had a huge cap hit and won the sb last year. He’s not the issue, he’s the whole offense is the issue. - on days like today it shows in a bad way. Patrick had a bad day and the offense went from average to wretched.

Veatch took a gamble on WRs which has backfired.

Taylor is grossly overpaid, and I think a mistake was made to give him such a lucrative contract. Bad FA signing.

@AsadZ That Taylor signing is looking really bad. You hear his name every game. I want my linemen invisible outside of pancake blocks!

The Chiefs right now just have A LOT of issues, look at yesterday's game. Just alone in the 1st qtr & just overall game , first three possessions - -minus 18 yards of offense -running backs getting stuffed at the line of scrimmage or losses - -Mahomes sacked twice, you have a false start , you have an offsides , you have 12 men on the field, you have an offensive PI on Kelce, you have another dropped pass from Kelce the Chiefs lead the league with like 27 dropped passes , that's just lack of focus/concentration , Then you have a Mahomes fumble returned for a touchdown , then on the Chiefs vey next possessions Mahomes throws a pick 6- -- Mahomes is at a Career best of INT'S with 14 - -things are just a mess right now

Gabe Davis, Tee Higgins, Mike Evans…there are options in the offseason that I like. But for now the Chiefs are screwed if they can’t get any production out of MVS. Rice is doing well. I think Ritchie James could be a solid receiver now that he’s healthy. The rest are suspect at best.

CEH may have the best hands on the team - get him on the field as an escape valve more often and teach Mahomes to take it instead of big play hunting. 🤷‍♂️ I don’t know how to fix this mess this year.

Chiefs need to understand that they are not very good on offense this year so they need to go back to basics on how to move the chains.

No trick plays.

Raiders came to play very focused where Chiefs look lost, part of the blame goes to coaches.

@dylans Taylor is the worst tackle in the NFL IMO. I still stand behind me saying they needed to trade MVS and a few picks for Mike Evans who is in the last year of his contract with the Bucs.

Well, I was prepared to write the demise of the Chiefs is upon us. It still probably is, but then I looked back at their season schedule.

Are the Chiefs the same Chiefs who could cake walk to the Super Bowl? A resounding no.

But, they’ve been mostly competitive this year, despite their issues. I think they still have a chance to win any game.

They could make some noise in the playoffs with a little luck (and some output from their offensive players). So i have some faith left, but not a ton of confidence. So, there's that. ha.

But i'll rant about the future anyway!

The prime time Chiefs don't appear to exist at the moment. The future isn't so bright. We'll need the super deluxe car wash in the offseason.

This could be it, folks. There’s lots to fix. But how long will it take to fix? And will a clearly frustrated Mahomes still want to stick around to wait? I know, seems impossibly unlikely for him to go, but who knows!

WR: Issue No. 1 for what seems like years now. Overhaul required. Unless a superstar or two join in the off-season, maybe not be a one year fix? how is it possible that they can't get even a half yard separation at times???? i'm not sure they are entirely to blame (more on that later).

TE: Something has sucked the life out of our top dawg. If he’s not able to produce, we suffer to the max. Most of our eggs are in the Kelce basket. The above mentioned WRs can’t seem to help consistently. That leaves us in a hole with a clearly aging Travis. Dude is losing his sh*t more than Mahomes. Enough with the helmet tossing! Is it all his off field activity? Commercials, super star dating and jet setting? Or just that he’s wearing down? Either way, big issues. NOT an easy fix if he is done cooking or retires. he's one of a kind.

QB: Mahomes is very clearly frustrated. I’m no expert on NFL financials, so not sure how possible it is he could want out and get out, but it seems at least a hint of a possible exit window exists. he doesn't seem pleased with anything, or anybody at the moment. Hope he sticks around and doesn't force his way out. his issues are coming to the forefront this season as well. Simple choices and mistakes seem to be his issue a lot. He cannot get on the same page with WRs. Is that his issue? Can he not throw a timing pattern? Does he need guys like Kelce who just run around til open to be successful? I dunno, but something's wrong. how can you not at least connect with a WR or two during the game? Makes no sense. He's taking some blame this season, maybe more than a little. Massive to say that, i know. But the offense is under the spotlight, and he's part of it. NOT an easy fix if he leaves. he's one of a kind.

RB: I like our group, but compared with other teams, it's a weak link. Upgrade at the No. 1 spot required. This could be a quick and easy fix with the right draft selection. (not sure i have faith in our brain trust to pick a RB at this point).

O-LINE: seems to be a mess. Upgrades/reworking required. This could also be an easy fix with a good draft selection or via free agency.

Defense: No complaints at all. The star of the Chiefs this season. Keep it up. Replace/replenish as needed.

Coaching: Hmmm. Something seems off here as well. These WRs are professionals, who have had some degree of success here or elsewhere. Something's wrong if they're failing. Generally speaking with the offensive group, are the making the wrong play calls? Stupid play calls? Idiotic play calls? I'd like to see the stats on the gadget play success/fail rate. The Mahomes fumble for a defensive TD was appalling and seemingly unnecessary. Play calling and execution. Hard to say what the dynamic is between Reid and Nagy. EASY fix with new coaching.

Anyways, stupid Chiefs. Gotta win a game to make the playoffs, probably.

After last night Kansas receivers > Chiefs receivers. Arnold is more sure handed than any player currently in a chiefs uniform

Mecole on the mend. Sounds like he’ll suit up this weekend.

Can’t hurt to have another WR body on the field.

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Chiefs season long game thread:

Can’t hurt to have another WR body on the field.

Does that body come with hands?

Does he get hurt in the 1st quarter?

@Crimsonorblue22 Toney might if he wasn’t already on IR.

Mecole has had 2 injuries that have limited his time in KC in 4.5 years. A mangled thumb and a horrible core injury that required surgery that he tried to return from too soon last year. It’s not like he’s Hammy Watkins with constant soft tissue issues.

My main issue with Mecole is something he can’t help - his pick should’ve been used on DK Metcalf. I was beside myself when they passed on that physical specimen. DK hasn’t disappointed either.

I would’ve taken head case Pickens over Skyy Moore too, but that looks like it would be worse. Pickens is a talented fellow, but doesn’t appear to be near the good teammate that Skyy is.

The draft is such a crapshoot. I’d hate for my paycheck to depend on it. Now get to work Veach! 😂

Good Offensive start! Nice play call!

The Chiefs will never win another game - ever.

D needs to step up

No pressure on qb

OL is weak.

Same movie on repeat

Mahomes turnovers the past 2 games have been killers.

Damn
They can’t stop the QB

2 dropped passes and 1 turnover, but only one penalty. Sadly all 3 are improvement from the second half of the season.

@kjayhawks said in Chiefs season long game thread:

Same movie on repeat

It's the same old story, same old song and dance, my friend

Offense needs to run solely thru Pacheco, he needs it every down til they stop him.

@kjayhawks no backup!

Why is it that 4 foot 1 Kyler Murray can throw passes to his fourth string receivers, yet Mahomes cannot connect?

Better line, more time

@rockchalkjayhawk better line, receivers that actually catch the ball.

Damn it I hate being right so often feed #10

Okay got one 3 and out

@kjayhawks said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@rockchalkjayhawk better line, receivers that actually catch the ball.

Ha. You were saying?

@rockchalkjayhawk yep like clock work unfortunately

@rockchalkjayhawk
Fate comes a-knockin', doors start lockin'
Your old-time connection change your direction
Ain't gonna change it, can't rearrange it
Can't stand the pain when it's all the same to you, my friend

MVS

What BS

Hardman sighting yet?

@nuleafjhawk was waiting for you to put that on Mahomes somehow lol

@rockchalkjayhawk I've been telling everyone why all season. The two team "leaders" don't care about football anymore. They care about money and notoriety. Football is just a paycheck now.

A big damn, obscenely large paycheck that would feed some 3rd world countries for decades.

@kjayhawks it's coming!

@nuleafjhawk you're wrong!

What is the attendance today?

@Crimsonorblue22 About? Life in general?

Mahomes and Kelce just being about money

Gotta get some pressure on browning

@Crimsonorblue22 I am absolutely right, in my opinion.

Got lucky there! Let's move the ball towards the other end. Where's hardman?

Come on D!

Do I need to separate @Crimsonorblue22 and @nuleafjhawk haha

@kjayhawks I'm sorry. I don't mean to be that guy. But I don't respect either one of thm anymore.

Play football. Eat, sleep and breathe football. Your NFL salaries are sufficient. Own every sporting team, hamburger franchise and whatever else you own, plus all 500 commercials AFTER you retire.

Butker looking good this afternoon lol

@kjayhawks he's a fantastic kicker!

Spags did a great job with pressure in the second half.

Butker had a miss last couple of games otherwise he is having a phenomenal year.

@AsadZ no air ball! Lol! This was much better! Rice getter much better, good return guy. Scary moment. Pacheco, love him. Watson good, Travis better, gray had one early. Mahomes looked better. Need to finish w/td's but I'm more optimistic. Clicking. Good to see Taylor, for any of the haters!🤣

Happy New Year, Chiefs fans!

Luckily i dozed off during the game. Woke up just in time to see the win! :)

@AsadZ said in Chiefs season long game thread:

Spags did a great job with pressure in the second half.

Butker had a miss last couple of games otherwise he is having a phenomenal year.

He is currently the 2nd most accurate kicker of all-time (minimum 100 field goals attempted) behind only Justin Tucker.

@BShark Glad to see that he has moved up again. Last year the injury in Arizona in the first game screwed him up all year, on EPs, too.

@mayjay said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@BShark Glad to see that he has moved up again. Last year the injury in Arizona in the first game screwed him up all year, on EPs, too.

He definitely seemed to rush back from that injury.

@rockchalkjayhawk it was a doze worthy event.

Hardman catch? Wow! So if Chris Jones wouldn't have held out, would he have made this million he's working so hard to get? Did I make sense?

I don't get why Kelce can't try for 16 yds but Jones can try for money? I'd say we need them both healthy!

Nice to see hardman get some reps, think he can help moving forward

@kjayhawks he's shocking me! Hope he can be consistent.

Congrats Chris Jones.

Nice to see some the guys that work hard all season get to play and come away with a win. Great for morale and building Mo going into next week.

Sorry, just had to throw in I'm so proud of my team - -Gb , I had no idea. If you were to tell me that they would make the playoffs in their first year after Rodgers- -would of thought no way. , especially the way they started I think 2-6 - -finish regular season 9-8.

Sure I'm sure next weekend will be their end of Season - -can't be mad. The Maturation, is that even a word lol lol - -anyways the growth of Jordon Love was crazy, had no idea some of the things he has accomplished this Season in his FIRST year as the starting QB. - -He threw his 31st & 32 TD' passes of the year today which is good for 2nd best in the NFL - -had no idea he had done so well & that 14 of those TD's was on third down which is good for 2nd only behind P Maholmes. - - , Only QB in the NFL to throw for over 1,800 yards - 16 TD'S with ONE interception & have a QBR of 128.8- not to shabby for first year. - -Things look bright for my boys - -youngest team in the NFL. -Been a good year no matter what, anything at all is gravy now.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Chiefs season long game thread:

Hardman catch? Wow! So if Chris Jones wouldn't have held out, would he have made this million he's working so hard to get? Did I make sense?

No. That was negotiated in during his holdout. But he also gave up salary to get it. Probably a wash at best (I don’t know the exact numbers).

@dylans I remember thinking with the fines and such it was pretty much a wash

That's what I meant.

You gotta be f—-ing kidding me!

The Chiefs game is EXCLUSIVE to Peacock streaming on Saturday.

That is horseshit with a capital horse!

I’m steamed.

@Crimsonorblue22 from what I understand, it was Kelce's decision not to play.

@rockchalkjayhawk might as well get used to it. I wouldn't be surprised if "they" figure a way to charge us to listen on the radio before long.

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Chiefs season long game thread:

You gotta be f—-ing kidding me!

The Chiefs game is EXCLUSIVE to Peacock streaming on Saturday.

That is horseshit with a capital horse!

I’m steamed.

I'm with you 100 % , & KC is not my # 1 team but still like them and am pulling for them and wanted to watch them play. - -Just total BS. How do you put the team that has pretty much been dominating the playoffs in recent years on fricken Peacock ? - -Just insane , my Dad bless his heart would be rollling over in his grave-- NEVE thought I'd have to pay to watch hings - -anything on the TV - -Holy crap

So you sign up for $5.99 and cancel next week. Not a fatal issue.

IMHO, It's bigger BS than simply signing up and cancelling.

I'm a Comcast/Xfinity customer who is entitled to have complimentary access to Peacock. But because I only use Xfinity for internet (I use YouTube.TV as my streaming and I don't use the Xfinity cable offer), I don't get access to Peacock -- unless I let them install a cable box on my network (presumably so they can mine all my viewing data). It's 'free', they say. Yeah right.

@bskeet I signed up through my Roku. If you don't use cable, Roku is a nice app for all our streaming services. (You can load lots of streaming services onto the Roku homepage. Some smart TVs, like Samsung a few years ago, don't have a full selection--but those may be different now. Our LG does.)

@Crimsonorblue22 Chris gave up 3.6million in fines and lost salary and gained 3million in new money. - lost 600k to skip training camp, I bet he’d gladly pay 600k to skip training camp lol

@dylans I still think he got bad advice from his agent, gained nothing by holding out.

@kjayhawks I agree. He also is very unlikely to be a Chief next year because of that advice.

@dylans yep I think this maybe the last hurrah for the chiefs “dynasty” if you want to call it that. 8 straight division titles, 5 afc championship games, 3 Super Bowl appearances and 2 rings. Jones is gone, Sneed is likely gone, Gay, Nnadi and Allegretti are all in contract years as well several others. Just don’t see them keeping most of these guys with the cap space they have. I think they stand a chance because the defense has been one of the best since DT was roaming the field in KC. Offense will be fine if they keep down penalties and turnovers.

@kjayhawks said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@dylans yep I think this maybe the last hurrah for the chiefs “dynasty” if you want to call it that. 8 straight division titles, 5 afc championship games, 3 Super Bowl appearances and 2 rings. Jones is gone, Sneed is likely gone, Gay, Nnadi and Allegretti are all in contract years as well several others. Just don’t see them keeping most of these guys with the cap space they have. I think they stand a chance because the defense has been one of the best since DT was roaming the field in KC. Offense will be fine if they keep down penalties and turnovers.

I’m not seeing the end of the Chiefs dynasty. If those guys leave, there should be cap space to sign replacements, right?

Sneed leaving is the biggest scare for me. He would be hard to replace.

IF the Chiefs flame out in the playoffs, the GM surely will go after some offensive game changers.

Running it back doesn’t seem to work anyway. You need roster churn. I really hope they can hold on to Sneed. Chris Jones is fantastic, but the cap space is too limited to give him 30 mil a year. Don’t want to end up in cap hell like the chargers.

@kjayhawks Chiefs still have great talent. Their issues have been with drops and TOs, stupid stuff which can be fixed.

D has significant young talent.

I am optimistic.

@AsadZ @dylans @rockchalkjayhawk I thinking they will still be a playoff team but not dominating as they have been.

@AsadZ mahomes won't settle.

@kjayhawks I think as long as Mahomes is QB and Veatch can surround him with skilled players, Chiefs should be able to compete for SB.

I see this year as an exception, and I am confident that Chiefs brass will learn from it.

@AsadZ God I hope so. It’s a bad philosophy to neglect your strengths.

I was just thinking how spoiled we as fans have become, recall Chiefs misery of 90s and 2000s.

Chiefs won AFC West again and are #3 seed while hosting a playoff game at home.

@AsadZ When you have Mahomes the expectations are different. Don’t waste the window like the Packers did with Rodgers!

Looks like McKinnon is done for the year. That sucks.

@rockchalkjayhawk This was expected. I hope we get Pacheo completely healthy for playoff run.

So is KC doing at least a local over the air telecast so KC fans can watch without the peacock? I hope this thing backfires so badly on the NFL that it and other sports never consider putting games on a streaming device.

@wissox As "they" continue to take our ability to watch sporting events for free from us, I am proportionally disinterested in watching.

Thanks, "they" for stealing our joy.

@wissox Yes, available on regular channels in KC and Miami.

@wissox The NFL has already made 110 million dollars on the game. They don’t care if anyone tunes in. Peacock is the only one that stands to lose (as they paid that 110 million bucks for one game!)

Big gamble by Peacock, let's see how this turns out for them

@AsadZ I somehow didn’t notice, but they said no commercials for the 4th quarter. That’s cool.

The only way Mahomes' helmet gets shattered is from helmet to helmet contact. Again, no call by the refs. The refs missed a lot of calls in the Miami game.

How about Rashee.

I think Veatch has finally broken his draft bust record on WRs with Rashee.

@AsadZ Rice is the only WR I’d keep on this roster maybe Watson. The rest see ya later

That sure was an interesting season! Glad we have a place to talk Chiefs. Fantastic ending!!

So the off-season could be very interesting. Veach and Co. have decisions to make.

We very well could lose some big names. Sneed is at the top of the keeper list for me. CBs like that aren’t a dime a dozen.

And the offensive line! Wow. Could be two or more changes there.

I don’t pay too much attention to cap space, but the Chiefs have about $30M to play with. Almost league average.

Chris Jones is gonna get big money here or elsewhere.

We’ll have one or two new running backs next year to back up Pacheco.

Lots of stuff to talk about in the off-season.

Doesn't get any sweeter!

Shots fired at parade!

@Crimsonorblue22 People suck.

10 people were shot at the parade - -5 hospitalized , what the hell is wrong with people. -2 people were being detained

1 person got killed, so tragic.

just got update and yes one person has died and now saying at least 15 others injured

@jayballer67 Something has to happen in this country - but unfortunately nothing ever will.

@nuleafjhawk said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@jayballer67 Something has to happen in this country - but unfortunately nothing ever will.

Agree a lot of sick, sick people anymore

Repeal the 2nd Amendment. Or I don't know, can you keep it but rewrite it?

@nuleafjhawk said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@Crimsonorblue22 People suck.

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This is so upsetting. I have a LOT of family and friends in Kansas City. Including my son. Thank God he's not a sports fan and would never attend something like this.

I am incensed that our jellyfish government allows this bullshit to go on. There's a mass shooting in this country weekly it seems.

This crap doesn't happen in other countries. At least not on the scale that happens here. I wouldn't give a shit if they melted down every automatic weapon on the planet. They can start tomorrow.

Video of regular folk tackling a shooter (supposedly).

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@nuleafjhawk said in Chiefs season long game thread:

This is so upsetting. I have a LOT of family and friends in Kansas City. Including my son. Thank God he's not a sports fan and would never attend something like this.

I am incensed that our jellyfish government allows this bullshit to go on. There's a mass shooting in this country weekly it seems.

This crap doesn't happen in other countries. At least not on the scale that happens here. I wouldn't give a shit if they melted down every automatic weapon on the planet. They can start tomorrow.

That would not fix the issue. If it was full automatic assault rifles and they intended to kill there would be considerably more dead. If I wanted to kill as many folks as possible to sew mayhem I would not use a gun, I’d use a spray drone with a chemical agent and wipe out tens of thousands at these events. For less than 100k you could easily wipe out a stadium of people. The issue isn’t the inert chunk of metal, it is the people - the bad actors. People killed and hurt other people for their own selfish reasons and until people start thinking and caring about others this will continue to happen. A million people there to have a good time and all it took was a few to ruin it for everyone.

As for this not happening in other countries. Wow what a wild misconception brought on by distance bias. The US averages 6 murders/100k people. Too much, but Jamaica averages over 50/100k. The places with the lowest reported rates are places with few of the freedoms we enjoy such as China or another reason for low murder rates like in Oceana is due to greatly underreporting murders for perception reasons.

Hyperbole spewed by our media and leadership in these moment is self serving and does nothing to address the issue of a complete lack of moral fiber in the people committing these crimes.

The KCPD and the locals that helped detain the shooters are amazing. There will always be bad people, but it’s great to know there are equally good people out there willing to risk their lives to protect others.

@dylans Murders are not mass shootings. We are far and away the "leader" in this category.

@nuleafjhawk said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@dylans Murders are not mass shootings. We are far and away the "leader" in this category.

Proving the point that people will get it done one way or another. I mean people turned paraglides into assault weapons. Ban all rocks to prevent stoning. Bad people are the problem not objects. More folks have been killed by rhetoric than anything else, ban speech.

It is a problem, but the root cause is still the same. People.

If the line "it's the people that kill, not the weapon" why would we make the weapon available to people who could use them to kill a lot of people? We ban other weapons of mass destruction for personal use, so why not these crazy assault weapons that are being used?

Someone studied shooting victims and the average price per victim is over a million dollars in this study.

Another aspect of our gun culture is suicide. Half of gun deaths in the US are suicides. People who want to die are way more successful if a gun is available.

There's a lot of reasons to have a serious drawback of gun ownership in this country and the time is now.

@wissox - my brother was murdered by a car. The driver has shitty parents and borderline personality disorder. I don’t blame the car. One of my good friends growing up was murdered by a gunshot to the back of his head while driving. I blame meth not guns for that one. I had a friend blow his brains out after his girlfriend overdosed on his acid. I blame drugs and social pressures and internal strife created by the adoption process for that teenage suicide. Misplaced blame only creates a new issue. It’s easy to say take away the guns. Then it will be something else that needs taken away and another freedoms and then something else, because the root cause is being ignored. - from my viewpoint it’s a lack of morality, personal accountability and fortitude coupled with an external pressure such as envy, anger issues, undiagnosed mental disorders, greed, drugs, alcohol, debt, etc.

I hate that any of this happened, but there is no easy solution like take away the guns.

Instead of celebrating a champion we are discussing those spoiled brats.

@dylans So why not have more controls over who can get guns, so as to protect against those bad people? Why not have mandatory training and restrictions on carrying guns openly in public areas?

I understand gun ownership for protection but don't think that means walking down the street holding assault weapons.

The country has survived with restrictions on types of guns like machine guns.

Move this to the politics board, please.

@wissox the guns don't kill people retort is from people who love guns. if there were no guns, i'll take my chances at mass baseball bat clubbings or mass swiss army knife stabbings. people want to kill people and assault weapons just give them the green light to do it.

you know i'm serious when i use my e.e.cummings style.

@nuleafjhawk Lol I don’t even own a gun. Don’t like to hunt. But disarming the people has never led to good things.

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@dylans I'm sorry - I wasn't referring to you personally, but I see how it looks. I just get upset with all the shooting BS.

@dylans Sorry you experienced those losses. None of this is easy to discuss. I really wish that many of the causes you mentioned were taken more seriously.

@wissox I think we all have been touched in some way by a similar loss.

@dylans said in Chiefs season long game thread:

@wissox - my brother was murdered by a car. The driver has shitty parents and borderline personality disorder. I don’t blame the car. One of my good friends growing up was murdered by a gunshot to the back of his head while driving. I blame meth not guns for that one. I had a friend blow his brains out after his girlfriend overdosed on his acid. I blame drugs and social pressures and internal strife created by the adoption process for that teenage suicide. Misplaced blame only creates a new issue. It’s easy to say take away the guns. Then it will be something else that needs taken away and another freedoms and then something else, because the root cause is being ignored. - from my viewpoint it’s a lack of morality, personal accountability and fortitude coupled with an external pressure such as envy, anger issues, undiagnosed mental disorders, greed, drugs, alcohol, debt, etc.

I hate that any of this happened, but there is no easy solution like take away the guns.

Instead of celebrating a champion we are discussing those spoiled brats.

I’m pretty sure that without assault weapons, the “people” pulling the triggers in these mass shootings would not kill nor injure near as many. Victory.

@wissox said in Chiefs season long game thread:

Repeal the 2nd Amendment. Or I don't know, can you keep it but rewrite it?

Or at least learn to read it.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

That first clause is kind of important. Any of y'all members of a "well regulated Militia"? And what might "regulated" mean?

People focus on "shall not be infringed" as if it's the only clause in this sentence.

And then often those same people want the rest of the document interpreted as it was written in the time it was written, but never seem to apply that logic to this phrase allowing the people only to bear muskets.

I realize this is a national talking point, but it is to distract from the real issue. The lowest murder rates are from demographics that have 2 parents, the same people that finish school and get better jobs.

Without assault weapons nothing would have changed about the Chiefs parade. The minors illegally possess the handguns they used. No amount of new laws will keep guns out of the hands of criminals. You can print a single use gun on a 3D printer. Assault weapons are so infrequently used in these attacks, yet that is what everyone latches on to as the thing that if we ban it will save America. It won’t change a single thing. The under lying problem of a lack of respect for life is the issue. What happened to love thy neighbor? It’s the cowards that choose to hid behind violence that are the issue. Banning guns won’t change a thing. There were something like 5 people on the earth when Cain killed his brother, he didn’t need an assault rifle to kill 20% of the world population.

Higher body counts when assault weapons are used usually point to intent and aren’t the result of stray bullets like at the Chiefs parade. Bringing a gun to a parade is the issue. What the fuck is that about?

edit it is being reported than an assault rifle was used by at least one.

The "tear down anyone famous brigade" is now out in full force for Travis Kelce smiling while posing for a selfie with a cop Wed evening, and for a few Chiefs and wives smiling while posing for a group picture in a bar that was holding their private post-parade function they decided to go through with.

The judgmentalism in our culture makes me sick. Reminds me of a guy who came up to me at my father's memorial service offended by our minister for reading numerous funny things he found in my father's papers to which we gave him access. This guy thought laughter was totally inappropriate. I told him I found that attitude offensive because the eulogy captured my father perfectly.

Later, we had the KU/KState bb game on in the den as people gathered at the house. Everyone understood my Dad would have wanted it that way, but I got a kick out of thinking Mr. Grinch would have discorporated on the spot.

Travis was with one of the many cops whose dedication was amazing that day, and was happy to give him a happy memory amidst everything. The players at the bar being there instead of stiffing the owner and employees...trying to have some normalcy in the shadow of chaos is not a crime.

The Chiefs did something with Chris Jones’ contract. Sounds like a precursor to a new deal, or a franchise tag.

@rockchalkjayhawk Picking up his rights or whatever they call it sounds promising. At least they can franchise tag him. I’m not going to hold drunk parade Chris Jones at his word, but I really hope both sides can come to an agreement they can live with. - both sides are showing interest. That’s fantastic!

Did y’all see that Bienemy is joining the UCLA staff?

Crazy. Think he’s giving up on the pros? Sounds like there was still NFL interest.

@rockchalkjayhawk I read the quotes from his interview where he talked about his prospects. I like Bienemy a lot, but those quotes sounded pretty self-deluding. I seriously doubt he could have stayed with Washington. I think UCLA is a good place for him to escape this constant scrutiny of why he never gets hired as a HC. It could be racism as suspected by many, but the man has racked up some questionable police interactions over the years. Good time to blaze a new (cleaner) path.

@mayjay that’s why I don’t buy the racist talk of him not being hired. He has gotten interviews a bunch of times, I’d say he’s not good at them. Also as you stated he has a very concerning rap sheet with the law, tho it was mostly stuff from 30 years ago.

@kjayhawks 16 interviews tells me he doesn’t interview well. The body of work is there. His personality is intense and may not be for everyone. The Chiefs said they have no spot on the staff for him, which I’m not 100% sure how to read - either they want him to flourish outside of Reid’s shadow, or they don’t want him back.

@dylans I'm going with option 2. If you knew of a person that could greatly benefit your organization would you really want them to flourish outside of it? Not me.

@nuleafjhawk I agree, but Reid has proven to be a extremely supportive man who seems to genuinely wish others success.

I also kinda think Beinemy wore out his welcome with Pat too. Just my opinion from the outside looking in.

@nuleafjhawk @dylans I think the Chiefs' staff is very set and working like a finely tuned instrument. It could be difficult to bring him back without inpinging on someones's job. They all said his talk to the players in the playoffs was inspiring, but that doesn't mean he could slip into a cheerleader role. Not having a place that fits him doesn't mean they wouldn't consider him if a job had opened up. The rapid extensions given Toub, Spags and others show the Chiefs don't want to upset the apple cart.