Well goes to say if we want even a micro chance of making things interesting , saving the Season- - this is an absolute must win.

How many fsns show up in Arrowhead ?- I would say maybe thirty five - -thirty eight thousand - -KU Seconfart better be ready -- Hoover & TCU are SECOND NATIONALLY in the Nation in passing yards.

I think in the end we DO find some how some way to squeak this out - - -28- 25. -We are just not making explosive plays this year

Got way too many payments for sports so I'm sitting this one out. Got Hanni on the computer though. Fumble recovery I hope?

Good start on defense, Cobee Bryant with a forced fumble and KU recovery.

Radio guys surprised TCU didn't challenge fumble.

@wissox said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

Radio guys surprised TCU didn't challenge fumble.

It was clearly out before the back hit the ground.

All turnovers are automatically reviewed anyway.

Daniels with a beautiful pass to Grimm who did a Cris Carter sideline catch for a TD.

Now the TD is under review to see if Grimm stepped out before the catch.

Call stands, TD Kansas

Nice start!

Grimes being upstairs looks like it's making a pretty big difference as the play calling was strong with multiple play action plays on that drive.

Had a feeling all week this was a get right game. This is a good matchup for us

How's the crowd look?

What is with the US flag atop the stand of tech on a 20 foot pole right in the middle of the mid field camera shot?

And TCU just carved up the defense on the second possession for an easy TD working the middle of the field. 92 yards in 5 plays.

Crowd seems pretty thin on the TCU side

@DanR A symbol that's been coopted by the Trump crowd.

Holy no call

Neal is fun to watch

Let’s go

I wish I was watching this fun.

I’m shocked very good crowd on hand id guess a good 40k

Blitzes seem too complicated

Looking like a defense optional game so far.

Hope the ku band sounds good. They were practicing at 7 am this morning!

KANSAS is #1 in FBS Red Zone Scoring? 😳

How is this even possible?

Looking like a shoot out today

No D

@nuleafjhawk Whenever you have a low number of red zone opportunities, it kind of skews the data. 14 red zone opportunities with 11 touchdowns and 3 FG’s prior to today’s game.

Track meeting city so far

@patoh3 yeah, that makes sense I guess

We ever going to complete a long pass this year? Seems like we got 2 per quarter last year.

Can we get a stop?

Daniels seems to have lost some arm strength

Just when you think JD is starting to get back to his old self

@patoh3 our defense believes that tackle is what you use when you're fishing 🎣

Need a stop here

Did we get screwed on the turnover?

@AsadZ We did it!!

That was a backwards pass imo butt we got it back, let’s get back to running in Grimes

Need a TD on this drive

The give it to 4/9 offense is good

Daniels is 2/7 for 24 yards throwing thus far. Im at a birthday party. Hope this all within the flow of what the game needs

Damn penalty killed the drive

Nice sack!

And interception!!

That’s very helpful

Where was the hold?

Nice work by the DLine causing that pick

JD 4/11 for 40 yards 1 touchdown but also 2 near picks smh

DL has gotten a lot better in Q2

Daniels continues to make bad decisions - throwing into coverage. What Kotelnicki was able to do was to scheme to get receivers wide open. Not happening with Grimes...

Creativity seems to be missing in this year’s offense

Let’s hold them here and go in the half with momentum

They got to double team Bech in H2

Bech is the best receiver on the field today.

TCU has double the total yards on us.

@AsadZ yes we very little motion and eye candy as a guy would say. We aren’t good enough to line up and beat guys in the B12.

Game not going optimally.

@patoh3 the only reason we ain’t down big is the two turnovers.

That is what I was thinking. It would be 35-14 if not for the TO’s.

@wissox I honestly feel like we are okay at this point, need to get back to running the ball on first and second down. Defensively we just need to heat his ass up all half and force some more INTs.

@kjayhawks said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

@wissox I honestly feel like we are okay at this point, need to get back to running the ball on first and second down. Defensively we just need to heat his ass up all half and force some more INTs.

Seriously? Give up almost 300 yards in a half. Their QB is 21-26 for 227 yards. Chewing us up. Unless we can more consistently put pressure on him, Hoover is going to continue to light it up...

@DCHawker We get the ball after half go score and see what the defensive changes we had made but like I said he hasn’t look good under pressure.

I'm sure not saying anything negative. Our boys are looking good in their red uniforms. It's a lovely day. Golly gee willikers - it's a swell day for football!

I will readjust my prediction for the K-State game later this evening.

Please stop throwing

Nice drive

Let’s Stop them now D

Good long drive I still gasp everytime JD throws it lol

That helps

Nice interpretation

Now we need to turn this into points

Make a long Drive

Run TCU out of Arrowhead

I love getting screwed by the refs

After last night and this I continue to have zero idea what a catch is. Do you have to take the ball home with you? Raise it as your own child? Send it to college?

Damn

That was a tough call

@FarmerJayhawk a catch is identified by how much money the refs have on a particular team.

@AsadZ by tough you mean F-ing stupid and wrong? I agree.

This crowd is going to need to be bleeped after this call gets overturned.

Hopefully this is a call stands situation though.

Is the crowd going with a "bullshit" or "fuck you refs" chant?

Bullshit!

And it's the "bullshit" chant

I am surprised they didn’t call that a catch.

Way to step up D

Great play-calling Grimes.

That was a block in the back

Lmao at the block in the back literally right in front of the ref

Wow that’s another terrible call smh

How the hell do you miss that call?

especially bad no call after calling the two holds in the first half on returns

I’ve never seen Lance this pissed

Refs are pro TCU

Shocked refs haven't flagged Lance yet.

KU will get no calls with their reputation. Appears obvious today.

The refs gifted TCU 7 points.

Daniels is 8/22 for 102 yards. Could be worse!

Catch the damn ball Skinner!!!

@Gorilla72 What is KU’s reputation?

Another brutal no call too

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

Another brutal no call too

Skinner still should've caught that one.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

@FarmerJayhawk said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

Another brutal no call too

Skinner still should've caught that one.

Yes, hence the “too”

Skinner damn near coughed that one up. He just doesn't have great hands.

Well at least we have a FG kicker

KU has been out of rhythm for a while on offense

Need to get some run game going

@patoh3 - years and years of being the worst team on the field. Refs will do those teams no favors. Plays need to be clearly a catch. No questionable penalties. Last year may be an outlier as far as other teams are concerned.

And that’s all she wrote

He comes our typical 4th quarter

We look like we have zero speed on defense

5 messed that up

@AsadZ said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

KU has been out of rhythm for a while on offense

Need to get some run game going

It's the lack of passing that's the issue. TCU has loaded up against the run because they're not respecting KU's passing game now. If the passing game was more effective, that would open up the running game.

Wide open receivers - multiple long gains - many missed tackles. Unless we get a TO defense seems incapable of stopping anyone...

Still a lot of time, but not looking good.

Daniels has been bad, but his receivers outside of Grimm haven't given him much help today either.

That needed to be a pitch

3 and out. Nice.

TCU gave up 66 points to SMU last week. This not a defensive powerhouse...

Wow the place got empty fast smh idk if we win another game folks

Hishaw, Neal, and Grimm are the only three guys on offense having a decent day.

Defense looks gassed

I think I'm going to follow the rest of this on my phone out on the deck with my dog and a cold beer.

Rock chalk

Tackling is atrocious....

We can’t tackle, we can’t catch or throw the football seems to be a pretty important thing for collegiate athletes to be able to do

@DCHawker said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

Tackling is atrocious....

Defense is done. TCU has pretty much had the ball the entire time since KU's first drive of the second half.

In all four losses, defense has been incapable of getting stops in the 4th quarter...

Frustrating game to watch

Defense is more of an issue today skinners drop was massive

We'll see if 10-25 JD can complete a pass on this drive...

We know this comeback can be done because West Virginia did it last week.

INT or fumble?

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

We know this comeback can be done because West Virginia did it last week.

But I doubt Daniels can do it because if I'm TCU, I'm doubling Grimm and singling or zoning everyone else.

@patoh3 said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

INT or fumble?

Sack

A throw with zero chance of getting a first down...

Why are we throwing 5 and 6 yard passes when the line to gain is 8 plus yards on third/fourth down

Good night fellas

Tough and frustrating game to watch

JD 11-28 for 135 yards. Bad throws and bad decisions...

Was that pass on JD or Grimes? Probably both. I am ready to see Ballard.

@patoh3 said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

Was that pass on JD or Grimes? Probably both. I am ready to see Ballard.

100% on Daniels. Every route but that one was past the sticks.

Not a lot of good to take away from this one. Onto Tempe

No bowl game this year.

The question becomes at what point do we make a change at either QB or OC? Like I said doing the same thing repeatedly while expecting a different result is insanity. We can not win games with the JD and Grimes combo against FBS competition. It’s been proven at this point.

@kjayhawks said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

The question becomes at what point do we make a change at either QB or OC? Like I said doing the same thing repeatedly while expecting a different result is insanity. We can not win games with the JD and Grimes combo against FBS competition. It’s been proven at this point.

Daniels is the bigger issue at this point. His passing issues have severely hindered the running game in the second half of games.

@Texas-Hawk-10 it’s both Grimes play calling hasn’t been worth a crap either. I’m just asking to change one of them and see what happens.

There is the INT.

Such a disappointing season.

I believe now we have been outscored 55-17 in the last 5 minutes of half’s. If I’m not mistaken 10 of those 17 points for us were on Lindenwood.

I have to start betting on Kansas to lose tho I doubt we will be favored again this season maybe Houston but I don’t see us making a bowl game after this. You had to beat UNLV and TCU to have a chance.

@kjayhawks said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

@Texas-Hawk-10 it’s both Grimes play calling hasn’t been worth a crap either. I’m just asking to change one of them and see what happens.

We've seen KU move the ball effectively in the 1st half of games this season which is a sign Grimes is a competent play caller. When you have a QB that's not effective and receivers not making simple plays, that allows opposing defenses to load up to stop Neal and Hishaw which in turn limits what Grimes can call because defenses aren't worried about anyone other than Neal and Hishaw.

I'm not calling Grimes an all world OC, but he is competent and did win a Big 12 title as a play caller title 3 years ago. Firing him 5 games into a season and installing a new offense doesn't magically fix the issues Daniels has been having this season. Daniels reads and situational awareness have been terrible this season so benching him would give KU the better chance to salvage something this season.

If Grimes were to be fired tomorrow like you want, who on the current staff gets promoted to that job and how does that address the issues Daniels has had this season?

@Texas-Hawk-10 I agree to a point but we also have too often on 2nd/3rd down with 2 yards or less to go passed the ball twice. I believe it happened 3 times again today. I think this one was really a team loss. Special teams gave up a score, offense couldn’t score from inside the 6 and the defense gave up huge plays all day long. I’m all in on benching JD

KU gives up a touchdown right before the half - again.
4th qtr collapse - again.

These players have to be feeling pretty low.

@kjayhawks said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I agree to a point but we also have too often on 2nd/3rd down with 2 yards or less to go passed the ball twice. I believe it happened 3 times again today. I think this one was really a team loss. Special teams gave up a score, offense couldn’t score from inside the 6 and the defense gave up huge plays all day long. I’m all in on benching JD

KU threw the ball on 2nd or 3rd and short (3 yards or less) literally three times total in the game today. The first time was the second play of the second half on a 2nd and 3 and was a 12 yard completion to Arnold. The other two times were KU's final possession with no timeouts left when running the ball makes no sense whatsoever.

KU's other short yardage plays were a hand-off to Neal for 12 yard on KU's second play of the game on a 2nd and 1. On KU's second possession the only short yardage plays was a 2nd and goal from the 2 that resulted in a Devin Neal TD run. That's it for the first half. Other short yardage plays in the second half were all running plays. Hishaw got the carry on a 3rd and 2 that resulted in a TD from TCU's 8. Last play of the 3rd quarter was a 7 yard Hishaw run for a first on a 3rd and 3.

The facts do not support your claims and if you think I'm bullshitting you, go to ESPN and look at the play by play and tell me when KU threw the ball on a 2nd or 3rd and short in a situation where it didn't make sense to.

@approxinfinity , @wissox -

Fellas - this is why I am the way I am.

@nuleafjhawk we are all products of our environments are we not?

@approxinfinity I just can't believe we went from being a very good team last year to such a bunch of turd suckers this year.

K State will beat us so bad that they'll destroy the new stadium and we'll just stick to basketball.

Couldn't watch because of ESPN+, but that was painful to listen to. Hanni must have said 20 times he eludes the tackler, about 10 times ..receiver open..pass just misses...refs will rule this in our favor...ooh they missed that call.

This team has lost 4 in a row now that have all been winnable. This one it did sound like TCU was clicking on offense, but the replay reviews. One if they give it to us we get a first inside the red zone. The other we stop a drive that they're scoring on. I just don't know. Pretty disappointing.

Sitting here this morning and thinking….Is it too much to ask to enjoy college football for Kansas fans? I’ve watched us get spanked by central Michigan on our own field and Toledo in person, two winless seasons and this season is #1 on worst feelings being a KU football fan. How the heck did we sink so far so fast? It’s just crazy will win another game is pretty the only question not answered at this point.

@kjayhawks we were close to winning all those games. Seasons with big expectations going awry is pretty common. I think this season went from exceptionally good to average. Not exceptionally good to exceptionally bad.

Disappointing, sure.

But if anyone is being realistic, this program is still far far better than what it was before Lance.

Yeah, I think this team is not as bad as the record shows. It can compete with solid (top 50) teams But its margin for error is close to zero. It's not clear that we are good enough to overcome even one mistake in a game. Any bad luck (ahem, bad calls) and it's over.

@approxinfinity said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

@kjayhawks we were close to winning all those games. Seasons with big expectations going awry is pretty common. I think this season went from exceptionally good to average. Not exceptionally good to exceptionally bad.

Disappointing, sure.

But if anyone is being realistic, this program is still far far better than what it was before Lance.

@approxinfinity said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

@kjayhawks we were close to winning all those games. Seasons with big expectations going awry is pretty common. I think this season went from exceptionally good to average. Not exceptionally good to exceptionally bad.

Disappointing, sure.

But if anyone is being realistic, this program is still far far better than what it was before Lance.

@approxinfinity said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

@kjayhawks we were close to winning all those games. Seasons with big expectations going awry is pretty common. I think this season went from exceptionally good to average. Not exceptionally good to exceptionally bad.

Disappointing, sure.

But if anyone is being realistic, this program is still far far better than what it was before Lance.

Agree. - --Yet Some people just can't seem to comprehend that--- it doesn't sink in. - - -we are way better shape then we were BEFORE Coach got here.

Thing is if Lance is NOW all of a sudden such a bad Coach then makes a person wonder , if he is that bad that we should fire him after five games into a Season --I wonder why there have been so many other Schools interested in him , and I'm talking legit Big Schools - -and to show his loyalty he said no, Just because he didn't get the position doesn't mean they weren't interested. - -Depending who you were talking to, some said he didn't get the job - -OR he withdrew his name.-- no matter they STILL made contact- -you meaning to tell me if h is a bad Coach these Schools still talkng to him ? -- I think not.

Am I just not paying attention? (It's entirely possible)

I haven't heard (or paid attention to) anyone calling for Lance's head. Grimes, for sure. And several (including me) to have JD ride some pine. I guess I need to pay better attention.

@nuleafjhawk said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

Am I just not paying attention? (It's entirely possible)

I haven't heard (or paid attention to) anyone calling for Lance's head. Grimes, for sure. And several (including me) to have JD ride some pine. I guess I need to pay better attention.

ya you've misses it. maybe not on here but it's out there plain stupid - -PERIOD

@jayballer67 No one on here has called for Lance’s head. Thus the head scratching about the impassioned message that wasn't really for anyone here.

@dylans there were grumblings about Lance, stuff like “Andy K was the real mastermind” etc. Guess you will have to believe me, I’m trying to keep it on the rails :)

@approxinfinity I have a few very negative folks blocked. Maybe I missed it, but everyone was calling for Grimes head (as @nuleafjhawk said), I didn’t see a single reputable soul on here call for Lance’s job, so the impassioned posts saying he should keep his job is seemingly out of place - unless he just likes Lance so much he’s gotta shout it off the rooftops. In which case good for you, but I see no pushback.

Andy Kaufman routine (makes me wonder if KUballin is someone’s alter ego)

Now if you want pushback I say just go ahead and fill that godawful new stadium in with dirt. Who came up with that butt ugly design and then only figured out how to pay for half of it?!? Lol what a joke the football program is. Don’t fire Lance, no one wants the job!!!

@dylans Well, hold on just a second....They could pay me half of what LL makes and I'd be happy. And I'm pretty sure I could carry on the proud tradition of KU Football.

@nuleafjhawk Lofty standards, I’m not sure.

@dylans yeah thats probably it. i dont block anyone.

And as far as jb hyping Lance against the naysayers, near to home or far afield, I love the passion, personally.

ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY!!!!

@approxinfinity I have found sometimes there is no good that can come from ME conversing with certain people and remove the possibility of inconveniencing others.

@dylans hey no judgement here. I just cant do that as a mod. All good.

Everyone just be grateful for the two years of fun we had. It is over now. Time to restart the rebuild from scratch.

@Jhawk69 we put the fear of God in Lindenwood....

@Jhawk69 sadly that’s what it looks like right now, 30 sensors on this roster. It ain’t getting any better in that new stadium next season.

@dylans said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

@jayballer67 No one on here has called for Lance’s head. Thus the head scratching about the impassioned message that wasn't really for anyone here.

no reason to head sratch I'm not limiting idiots to here - -KU fan base or so called fan base is a lot broader then just here

@jayballer67 lol gotcha.

@jayballer67 The "DaJuan Harris sucks" crowd might be calling for Leipolds head as we speak 🤣

@Jhawk69 said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

@jayballer67 The "DaJuan Harris sucks" crowd might be calling for Leipolds head as we speak 🤣

LMAO - -boy that is SOOOOOOOOOOOO true, well said. you mean the REAL sports intelligent ones - -the arm chair Coach's that NEVER LOSE a game or make a bad call , or decision. The one's that sit in their over stuffed recliners - -Beer or whiskey in one hand and that king siz Hoagie in the others - -those one's - -gotcha lol

It really is amazing how many of our fans know basketball better than Bill Self

@Jhawk69 and football better than the coach of the week.

@Jhawk69 said in KU taking on TCU a must win - -must , must win:

It really is amazing how many of our fans know basketball better than Bill Self

Isn't it though. I mean they are much better then our Hall of fame College Coach , who the hell voted him in ? - -bunch of clowns ,he only has two National Championships- - -won 14 straight Conference championships - -doesn't develop players worth a tinkers dam - -and can't recruit. - -I say let's run him out on a rail and hire Weber roflmao

I haven’t seen anything on firing LL at this point and it would be silly to do so. Juan is bad comparison Self really had zero other guards to turn to the last few seasons. I got a lot of grief on here for saying we ain’t going past the second round or a good team with Juan playing 35 minutes a game and turned out to be a very true statement. Juan statistically isn’t near a top PG here and he will have played an extra year.

I was watching a podcast for KU last night and they brought up a point which I had been thinking about too , and I think it was a valid point.

They were talking about if JD 's passing game isn't up to snuff - -I think they said this last game maybe was 48 % -so if JD's passing isn't cutting it -Then Grimes and CO need to make changes - - We should be utilizing JD'S--legs more.

Like was brought up-- -look guys what were doing is NOT WORKING - something has to change . JD'S passing up to snuff , and they also said our receiving has been horrible-- -other then Grimm -you put that together and you got a really bad recipe.

You have to make use of Jalen's running ability , ya ya, I know better chance of him getting hurt - -understand that BUT also understand football is a physical it's going to happen regardless. You have go to put your team in the best position to win and - - --right now Passing is not getting it done, and your gonna start seeing teams stack the box and say OK beat us with the Pass , cause you sure in the hell are not gonna beat with the run

Why aren't we seeing more counter options- -- more speed options ?- ---when Coach K was here -- constant motion - - formations- -defenses didn't have a clue. - -We got the same personell -so wheer is our options ? - -something has got to give.