If the weather forecast is correct, watching this live will be a no-go for me. 0.4-0.75 inches of ice. That very well may be a good thing the way the team has been playing.

@patoh3 said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

If the weather forecast is correct, watching this live will be a no-go for me. 0.4-0.75 inches of ice. That very well may be a good thing the way the team has been playing.

OK, i give. why would 0.4-0.75 inches of ice stop you from watching?

Power outages.

Ah. Gotcha. Come on out to the sunny west coast. You only have earthquakes, wildfires and tsunamis to contend with. Ice free.

Oh, and we've oddly added tornadoes to our weather lately. crazy.

@rockchalkjayhawk I was in San Francisco several years ago down at the Wharf and learned about a tsunami warning hours later that occurred in the area without any real warning given. How often do the warnings occur and have there been any tsunamis that have caused serious damage on the west coast?

They have got us in a blizzard warning and heavy snow 6-12 inches on top of IOce, good chance of wide power outages. We have been getting freezing drizzle & now freezing light rain and suppose to turn to heavy snow over night and through tomorrow. Not looking good

@rockchalkjayhawk said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

Ah. Gotcha. Come on out to the sunny west coast. You only have earthquakes, wildfires and tsunamis to contend with. Ice free.

Oh, and we've oddly added tornadoes to our weather lately. crazy.

I am astounded you West Coasters continue to live in utter ignorance of the threat posed by aliens. The little green Martians, not immigrants.

@mayjay you mean frogs?

This game has almost a must win sort of feel to it already. I still believe in this team but the egg layed on Tuesday means it's not out of the realm of possibility of an 0-2 record. I'm gonna go out on a limb and believe that a laser focused Jayhawk team bounces back and starts making us believe again.

But wow, what a December that was. 2-3 record. Bad loss to our bitter rival. Blow outs suffered back to back. Inability to protect home court.

@patoh3 said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

@rockchalkjayhawk I was in San Francisco several years ago down at the Wharf and learned about a tsunami warning hours later that occurred in the area without any real warning given. How often do the warnings occur and have there been any tsunamis that have caused serious damage on the west coast?

I can say the earthquake warning system out here is loud and clear. Your phone beeps like crazy. But the tsunami warning system maybe needs some work. I don't live on the coast, but i assume there are some blaring sirens if a big serious one is on the way. TV and the internet of course scream loudly about it.

Often times when we get tsunami warnings, it turns out to be not much of anything. A barely noticeable or not even visible wave or higher tide.

Since i've been in California since the late 90s, i recall maybe four tsunamis that have caused damage -- $100 million for the last big one up and down the coast. They tear up harbors and tied up boats.

Now Florida on the other hand ... one time we visited and one of the first things we saw while admiring the ocean view was a giant water spout! run for the hills! Wait, they have no hills in Florida.

@approxinfinity said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

@mayjay you mean frogs?

All you have to do is go to Berkeley to find the aliens. not hard. look on any street corner. They'll even tell you they're aliens.

There's gonna be an eruption in Lawrence if we lose to UCF for the 2nd year in a row followed by an exploding fan base.

Roads are pretty much impassable at this point in central Kansas. I’m just hoping we keep power, the wind is supposed to pick up overnight which could be a problem.

@kjayhawks was just listening to live stream of the weatherman here in Topeka , doing a live stream. He said he was going to stay on the low side of snow amounts but don't be surprised, he said he was going with 7-14 inches , BUT there has been latest models- - multiple models saying we could get two foot maybe more-- Historic storm. Tomorrow suppose to snow heave most the day , and 35 - to 45 mph winds for blizzard conditions more then likely multiple power outages that could last for days, Stay safe my friend

@SlimShaddy54 yes sir you as well

WVU torched us during the first 10 min taking advantage of the switch up top and wide open dunks. When the opponents don't make the pass I'm thinking hey stupid he's wide open again. That cost us the game and our heroic run in the second half fizzled out on about four bad plays in a row after that.
My point is that we can defend until the cows come home or away but if we are bricking threes and missing shots in the lane to begin the game. It doesn't matter when we are averaging one point a minute.
Our new guards are not new to the game and sure as heck can shoot them as they did in the past.
And the KJ thing is not bashing him even though it feels like it is. Flory is our only hope as he limits second chance points and by God he frees up Hunter who can and score a lot. We want it we need it we feel it and something else I forget.
Sorry about the dangerous weather I hope everyone and your loved ones stay safe and warm.

Mercy it's bad- - getting thunder snow right now. can't even see across the street

@SlimShaddy54 yes visibility is about 8 feet right now

I'm jealous. Hadn't had a blizzard in these parts in a decade or so.

I am covered in thick ice with several trees that have large branches down. Power is off, but still have internet for now.

@patoh3 Ugh, that doesn't sound fun.

I don't have a clue about this game. 75-74 Jayhawks. I really want to say 60-59.

Just because I can't stand the thought of a 2 game losing streak to a directional Florida school and already to a directional Virginia school, I'm gonna go out on a limb and give us a 76-75 win because @Zabudda already took my prediction.

Remember if you do social media with Central Florida fans make sure you refer to them as that and not UCF because they think Central Florida makes them sound like a directional commuter school, which they are. So it's always Central Florida.

@wissox you gonna start a game time talk or we all giving up?

This is it I figure.

I'm currently trying to urge the Bears on against the Packers ending our embarrassing losing streak. 2 minutes to go!

So much for that. We just fumbled the stupid ball. Pack set up now for a game winning short field drive.

It's long

Hunter not starting?

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

Hunter not starting?

Not sure where you saw that but he is

Guess I misheard it

Moore is starting?

Also I simply can't with this starting line-up. We are going to lose again.

Bears win Bears win!!!!

Sorry, Go Jayhawks :)

Not bad at all!

Decent start odd to see shak out there but okay lol

@BShark come back!

Good to see Bill pressing buttons

Looking ok. Not getting any calls. ZEKE about got his head taken off and Hunter of course hacked every time he touches the ball.

@BShark Who starts doesn't impact the game that much other than maybe motivating certain players. What really matters is minutes.

@Jhawk69 Literally has coit and flory near coaches than 2 coaches separate rest of bench as if “this is my 7”

He’s mind effin them like a child

UCF scout sucks as they are guarding kj out to 3 point line

We will win today if they do that

I hate the thought of losing Flory, but afraid we will. He'll languish on some NBA bench for years learning hopefully playing someday.

Nice pass DaJuan

Miss layup one way, give one up other way.

Some really odd line ups so far

@wissox He got fouled so I wouldn't worry too much.

2 guy should've got back

@Jhawk69 said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

@wissox He got fouled so I wouldn't worry too much.

DaJuan got fouled? I know Hunter did next time down and got the call.

Hunt looking good

KJ making things happen, good and bad.

@wissox I think Hunter didn't get fouled but they called it as a makeup since they didn't call the one DaJuan drew

Nice little run and the ball moved nicely with Juan off the floor instead of dribbling in circles

This ESPN+ is horrible quality today. KU is the only blueblood that regularly gets shoved to some crap streaming service.

Bad call. Nice block

KJ About hit his head on the rim

Hunter hammered on this end no whistle.

Whatever the hell just happened. Nice work espn

These announcers are terrible.

And I should add these refs are terrible.

Halftime fun for me will be going out to reshovel the dog paths in the back yard. At least 8” or 9” of snow with 3-5 more to come. Wind is nasty.

We're supposed to get 1 inch of lake effect tomorrow.

Like our offense much better when we play thru Hunt

@wissox better stock up on bread

Hunter has 16 points, most after their big got too fowls. or fouls

Flory was determined

@DanR And bruised

Dickinson shooting 3 with Flory rebounding. Like it

Announcer, 'Flory got away with a foul'

Flory! Flory! Flory!

I'd like to thank West Virginia for waking up our team.

Who thinks Elmarko can have a monster season next year?

Good D by Storr no fear.

@wissox said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

I'd like to thank West Virginia for waking up our team.

We are at least playing hard so that’s nice the first 30 minutes of the WV was embarrassing

That directional commuter school we're playing has made 1 basket thus far inside the arc.

Now 2

Quick hands juan

Two guys don't talk on a rebound either one could have had and it leads to a 3 for them. That's how comebacks start sometimes. We have to be better.

Hilarious ending to the half

Ugh

Glad to take that three off the board.

@approxinfinity said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

Who thinks Elmarko can have a monster season next year?

Depends on how well he recovers from his injury and if he loses any explosiveness. He is who Self chose of Labaron Philon.

Don’t see throwing it into KJ as a smart play in the slightest

Now that was dumb.

Bench with 11 pts.

Big Hunt 21 points, 8 boards, been screaming all year to play thru him looks much better thus far.

Best half KU has played in awhile. The Dickinson-Bidunga line up appearing like it is KU's best overall line up.

Say what you will but Flory knows how to ball on both ends.

@kjayhawks And a rarity for him, but 3 blocks too.

There perimeter defenders are tall.

I also believe I heard the announcers say Moore got the start today because of his defensive abilities which he is a top 2 defender on this team.

This is what we get for halftime on ESPN+?

Also curious if UCF is going to keep fronting Hunter and Flory because that isn't working for them.

We still have to come out ready to go here, believe we lead by 10-12 at the half last season.

@Texas-Hawk-10 ahhh hard for me to believe that, you?

Maybe it won't matter that KU is only 1/7 from 3 and that none of our guards have more than 2 made baskets. Feed Hunter and Flory

@stoptheflop you have to take what the defense is giving you as @Texas-Hawk-10 said if they continue to front our big men, it’s just too easy

Flory needs more minutes that is clear.

Yes but we also don't want Flory to catch NBA scout's eyes this season

Anyone see the graphic comparing Flory's first season to Dokes? Somewhat similar but favoring Flory.

@Jhawk69 since most of our so called fans think this team sucks and our coach does too, we want him to do well! Just win!

you sea F has made 3 baskets inside the arch this game. We've made 21 more than that.

Well, playing behind hunter isn’t working for UCF either.😁

Someone just made a 3 but ESPN+ decided to censor it.

Good hustle and nice dunk

Juan

This team needed a win like this in a bad way. Now play Storr the next 10 minutes please

This ain't nothing. The Badgers scored 62 in the 2nd half against Iowa the other night!

Nice pass

@wissox said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

This ain't nothing. The Badgers scored 62 in the 2nd half against Iowa the other night!

I don’t think Fran McCaffrey knows you can practice defense.

Bidunka

Reb KU 45 UCF 19

Well this is refreshing to watch

@Kcmatt7 One badger was quoted after the game saying "They knew Iowa didn't play D.

Way to get on the floor

My favorite KU beatdowns of all time.

1 KU 150 Kentucky 90

2 KU over UNC in the FF

3. KU over Marquette. Score was like 70-30 at one point against a team with DWade.

4. KU 47-15 in second half against Miami in Elite 8, special because I was there.

@wissox said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

Anyone see the graphic comparing Flory's first season to Dokes? Somewhat similar but favoring Flory.

Flory and Doke are not the same style of players, especially as freshmen. Also remember that Doke only played 11 games as a freshmen and was done before conference play started.

@wissox last border war game

I’m ready to see some zach minutes

@Crimsonorblue22 We got beat by them!

@DanR Zach is hurt.

@DanR said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

I’m ready to see some zach minutes

I think he's still injured

Wow Flory Coast to Coast

Flory with the SC Top 10 highlight!

That was pretty cool!

@wissox no the real one

Didn’t know Zach was hurt.

Groin

@Crimsonorblue22 I don't call that game a beat down! I mean a game where we just run right through a decent team like we're doing today.

Hope you guys soak up every bit of watching Flory because he won’t be a Jayhawk next season…

Wow Bidunga is a monster

Bidunga is 10 times better than Diallo was for sure

Doing this to Johnny Duke feels good too.

@wissox we were there, down 19. Best game ever, that and triple OT ou game!

Notice Flory isn't leaving his feet!

Is the tattoo trend ending? Shaq about the only guy with ink

They have 4 baskets inside the arc. We have 3 guys with more made baskets inside the arc.

@DanR I was thinking about getting one. Any suggestions?

Block party

@wissox said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

@DanR I was thinking about getting one. Any suggestions?

Go big with some tribal face tattoos

KU starting to accumulate video game stats.

UCF is shooting 21%

Refs have called 8 fowls on ewe see eff

@wissox huh oh I get it

@Crimsonorblue22 Keyboard malfunction. 8 fouls on the university of Central Florida

KU 7/13 from 3 in the 2nd half. Guards got it going finally

@wissox said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

@DanR I was thinking about getting one. Any suggestions?

Welcome aboard! - down periscope

Wendy - old joke - gotta assume “Welcome to Jamaica have a nice day” won’t fit

Flory get an assist on that one?

I think the guys want to hit the century mark, as do I

Isn't 57 KU's biggest conference win ever? They're going to have a chance to tie or top it.

Snowed in, should have a fun dinner tonight

I mean this defense today is really impressive. Offense seems easy as UCF's defense seems to suck

Glad to see Bill’s face isn’t too jacked up. - after his spill

@dylans what happened?

Walk on basket!

We have someone named Wilhite?

@wissox said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

We have someone named Wilhite?

Here's just scored

@DanR said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

@dylans what happened?

Bill face planted at a gas station.

Watch Hawk Talk on espn+ he's hilarious telling about it

At least Wednesday we don't have to suffer through ESPN+ but it might mean we get Fran.

Classy I guess to not go for the insult last basket

Who woke up Storr and who will regret it?

@DanR Unlike St. Johns yesterday where a guy threw an allley oop to himself off the board leading by 10 and 10 seconds left.

Well that was fun. How are the chiefs doing. Oh, not good.

@wissox Wilhite might be a sr.

Well that felt good for a change amazing what you can do if you actually want to play

61 points against WVU and 99 today?

I saw wilhite at Dillons buying flowers. Dude is big.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

@wissox Wilhite might be a sr.

Redshirt JR

Great energy today, love to see it.

I did not see that coming -- - - -I DID NOT see that coming , holy crap lol

51 point win in a conference game. Was getting Pat Knight fired the last time KU won a Big 12 game by 50+?

Really good to see Aj & Rylan bust out some today, Rylan got a sweet stroke

Griffen 4/4 from three and 2/2 from the line.

@DanR as expected/ chiefs

Flory gonna be really good- - I mean really good.

42 Bench points?

KJ with NINE REBOUNDS - -- NINE REBOUNDS- - - - NINE

@kjayhawks it's always cause you don't want to play when u lose.

@DanR cause they didn't want to play. I'm being a SA

Zeke TOOK OFF TODAY, NOT MANT IN A MEAN WAY - -DIDN'T HAVE TO CARRY THE LOAD- - -MERCY I THINK SOMEONE PISSED THE GUYS OFF

KU-- -61 Rebounds -- -UCF- - -32

@wissox said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

@DanR I was thinking about getting one. Any suggestions?

Muck Fizzou is always good. But get a few fb player friends if you wander near Meth U.

@Crimsonorblue22 I don’t like the long lay off for the chiefs starters with the bye. Hot shots in the first playoff game won’t have played since Christmas

@mayjay That's a good suggestion because my mom would be naive to what it means, I'd tell her it's the name of the next great White Sox player or something because if she knew what it really meant she'd amputate the arm it was painted on.....without anesthesia.

Kinda funny , Gurly talking with Coach in post game and Gurly asked Coach what he thought the difference was today ? - -He said he think they were a pissed off team ( KU ) - -I said the same thing , I think the guys were just pissed off

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

@kjayhawks it's always cause you don't want to play when u lose.

Right go watch the WV and say with a straight face say we played hard the first 25 plus minutes. Even self had an extended practice where he called the team out for such but okay

That's not what you said!

This was a fun game to watch

How about Flo

All you "The game has passed Bill Self by"guys.....HAHAHAHAHAHAhah

@AsadZ talented and learning

@kjayhawks said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

Well that felt good for a change amazing what you can do if you actually want to play

@Crimsonorblue22 this what you replied to and yes it is what I said

Hunter Dickinson Highlights vs. UCF (27 Pts, 9 Rebs, 3 Blks)

Flory Bidunga Highlights vs. UCF (12 Pts, 5 Rebs, 6 Blks)

Rylan Griffen Highlights vs. UCF (14 Pts, 4 Rebs)

Well then. Surprise, Surprise!

How's about that. Anybody see that coming? Dunno where that came from, but more of it works for me!

Straight up Kentucky like bashing from way back when. Love it.

I was honestly surprised to see Shaq start. If that's the energy or mojo we need, great. Can't argue with the game result.

Storr has to be steaming with mop up duty. This will be interesting to watch for the rest of the season.

Well done, Jayhawks!

KU played today?

I’ll say it so @kuballin10 doesnt have to: Self used his personnel well today. People were used in the roles they were intended to be used and they responded.

@kjayhawks every game I lost was not because I didn't want to play. Maybe you didn't show up but I did. Poor excuse.

@approxinfinity said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

I’ll say it so @kuballin10 doesnt have to: Self used his personnel well today. People were used in the roles they were intended to be used and they responded.

I mean, maybe about the roles?

I'll admit i was worried about the offense with Shaq starting today. I thought that left us down to Zeke as the only starter who could score other than Hunter in the post.

I'm gonna guess that Self uses that 5th starter spot as he needs to each game. Could see the lineup change depending on matchups? We'll find out i suppose.

A nice way to start the new year. Expectations are now up!

@SlimShaddy54 said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

Kinda funny , Gurly talking with Coach in post game and Gurly asked Coach what he thought the difference was today ? - -He said he think they were a pissed off team ( KU ) - -I said the same thing , I think the guys were just pissed off

Probably not a good idea to accidentally drop the confetti on the team you hope to upset in the pre-game shoot around. Might be a minor motivator. 😂

So you all think this might be a starting five that can really get these guys to click and a regular basis ? - -Moore, /juan-- -KJ- - - Hunter -- -& Mayo ?

@SlimShaddy54 yes. Also the hunter 25 minutes kj 23 minutes flory 20 minutes usage was great

@Crimsonorblue22 right I’m just saying that they clearly didn’t show up against WV or Mizzou for matter. Rewatch those games and today’s. Tell me which one we are actually going after loose balls and rebounds.

@SlimShaddy54 it worked well today so I wouldn’t change it, Rylan seem to be better off the bench in this one. I’m thinking Storr will start to step it up and take most of Diggys minutes.

Wonder if Moore getting the start was matchup based, UCF runs a 3-guard lineup so matching that could have been what they thought was the best move. Perhaps also signaling a scheme change on offense given the struggles there? What doesn't make much sense is how he played 2 minutes in the previous game then gets his first start and most minutes of the season in this one. I would say he did fine, the 6 assists were a plus including the dime he dropped into Flory for a dunk, he also made a couple 3's late in the game to show off his shooting.

I want to see "more" from Moore since he is such an unknown still. I'm still picturing this aggressive driving guard that will give us an element we don't have who can put pressure on defenses and get to the line/finish/get Hunt/Flory/KJ easy baskets. I'm hoping that's what he can provide on that side of the ball while being a pesky defender on the perimeter to go with Harris.

UCF seems like a roller coaster team. Have wins over Kenpom #12 and #14 teams (Texas A&M & Texas Tech) including the Tech game on the road in their previous game and then they come home and get walloped by 51. At least from the jump KU came out throwing punches and they didn't have the same juice. UCF is #81 Kenpom so the metrics don't think too highly of them so not sure what to take from this win in the bigger picture. It was a great response from the West Virginia game. Self got their attention and I hope it was the turning point to seeing this level of play more often.

Next opponent Arizona St has two five-star freshman KU recruited to various degrees in Joson Sanon & Jayden Quaintance. Kenpom #57 team with #34 ranked defense so we'll see how we do against a top 40 defense. Their leading scorer is a 6'9 big who can shoot the 3 (38%) and loves to get to the FT line. Hopefully we bring some of the same juice as yesterday at home this time and make another statement.

@BeddieKU23 They were around 60 before this loss iirc. This was obviously an insane game. KU jumped 5 spots which basically never happens this late in the season.

@BShark I saw that in the Ken Pom rankings too. Never seen it before with a team ranked so highly at this point of a season—we jumped from 13 to 8.

@BShark

An historic one-off type game, that's crazy. I know this UCF team is better than they showed yesterday as I've watched them play a few times and have seen a much higher level of play from them. They just seemed shellshocked by the level of activity from KU which was a 360 from our previous game.

KU just came our really aggressive from the start ,We just looked like we played angry ball, just dominant. KJ NINE REBOUNDS ? I'll take that all day long , the question being where has this been all this time ?- -hopefully it continues, really like Shaq in the line up good play , really like the make up of the team yesterday,

Coach said that chances are we will see more of Hunter and Flory together, Flory being mobile and able to guard out on the floor.- - Love Flory being an athlete, King Mcclure told KU fans not to get used to seeing Flory long. - -I do think Flory will be NBA - -but I also think he will be back for his 2nd year , after that all bets are off lol.

@SlimShaddy54 Amazing what rebounding effort does for a team!

@SlimShaddy54 that block and transition dunk was something special.

GOOD NEWS / BAD NEWS

Good -

Hunt went hunting. Great to see him play aggressively and it paid huge dividends.

KJ showed effort. I almost passed out when seeing him seal off the boards. Who does he think he is? Charles Barkley? 9 rebounds! As I mentioned before… we won’t lose many games where he grabs around 10 boards.

Juan was Juan. He went with the flow and was the glue guy. Great!

Moore defended. It helped lift our guys up and they all showed more energy! Offense starts with defense! A+

Flory owns everyone. I thought he had 10 blocks because he was so dominant! This guy needs more minutes!

AJ fit a bit better. Didn’t look so lost out there and found ways to contribute. Positive sign!

Rylan brought offense! This is what he can do! BAM!

Zeke was human after all. Not big scoring numbers but huge assists and aiding team basketball.

Diggy helped more than the stat sheet. Cold from outside but he gave us great energy off the bench.

This was an example of how we can play when we come prepared for a game! Energy was great and played team basketball!

THE BAD -

UCF played horribly. We deserve some of the cred for making that happen but not all. Their body language was horrible and they didn’t put up any kind of fight. My takeaway is they made us look better than we are. We will run into tougher dog fights that will better test where we are…

FINAL ASSESSMENT -

It starts with defense! Moore and Flory are big sparks! KJ can be, too, when he hustles! Having those guys focus on D makes us a tough bunch to beat and it translates to everyone playing tougher D. Offense comes naturally when playing good D.

We saw today why we were picked #1 preseason which is this roster is loaded. I wasn't familiar with Shak, Griffen, Storr, Coit or Zeke. I kept hearing KU fans will love Flory because he can run the court and has a big motor. We can now add fast learner to that list. I saw that opponents played him very physically which I thought he resented and now doesn't work as a tactic. Not a lot of floor time for him but he picked up the defense quickly and true to his smarts played it to the max. As we've seen he takes ownership of mistakes and that's a big reason why he is so good. I mentioned before his presence on the floor especially defensively frees up the big dog to be in rebound position and make his top level outlet passes. Can we imagine him as a 14/10/4 guy? Shak played a sneaky good game and will be a huge difference maker as a ball handler, passer, scorer and all around speed demon. Will Storrs, who was projected to be our big guard perimeter defender who could even guard a 4 if needed and Griffen who has been in the big time take over and run with it now with penetration and bombs away? Juan may finally get the pieces we were hoping for and stir up a storm. Big time defender type teams like ISU and Houston can't shut us down when our guys are as good or better than theirs. But it was just one game. One 50 point beat down game. Which is more impressive/surprising our 99 or their 48?

We need to make sure we get a 2nd year from Flory. Hunt's NIL goes to him, whatever it takes. Pairing him with DP and whoever else next year could be scary. Those highlights from yesterday are a glimpse of his future. Sure, he can't really shoot outside 4 feet right now and KU's system is absolutely setup for a guy with his attributes to flourish. He's a plus defender, plus athleticism and finishes at the rim at an elite level so far (81.6%). I don't know how draftable he is right now, as is but I'm certainly paying attention now if he strings more of these kind of games together. The lightbulb has certainly come on for him and is fun to watch.

@Zabudda I remember in his preseason interview his reason for wanting to come to Kansas was to be coached by Bill Self. He has total respect for him.

@BeddieKU23

To be able to finish at the rim 81%. Come on now, to do that you are finishing through contact which is usually a learning process for freshmen. To be already able to play at the level he does thank goodness. I can't define his level as it keeps going up.

I like interesting stats and Flory is certainly giving us some. He's missed 9 shots this season. Obviously he's a low volume guy yet that's out of 49 shots. That seems to indicate a brain that is either afraid Bill will yank him if he misses or a brain that tells him, I'm only shooting if I know I'll make it. I wish I had a brain like that when I play basketball!

He's being compared to Doke and his 46% FT shooting is on par with Doke. Not many guys have a FT % that is over 30% lower than their FG%.

Yesterday he padded his blocks stat, but he now is averaging 1.2 per game. That's a nice number for most players, but he does that while averaging 13 minutes per game.

If you extrapolate his fouls he would be fouling out every game if he played 40 minutes a game. Maybe coaches are like don't worry about fouls because you're not playing enough minutes for you to foul out, but 2 fouls per 13 minutes is a lot.

Before we send him off to the NBA he's had some recent 'duds'. They coincided with the losing streak in December coupled with the win against NCS. 3 points total in those three games. Those three games are his only games in which he's scored less than 6 points.

I hope he stays obviously. I also hoped Grady and Johnny would have stayed as well and that didn't go so well. Pay the man so we see him here another year or three!

@BeddieKU23 said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

@BShark

An historic one-off type game, that's crazy. I know this UCF team is better than they showed yesterday as I've watched them play a few times and have seen a much higher level of play from them. They just seemed shellshocked by the level of activity from KU which was a 360 from our previous game.

It basically takes a perfect storm for a game like that. It was a good match-up for KU to begin with and then UCF's gameplan on both ends made little sense.

Oh and listen to this 🐦 View Tweet

It's audio so you do have to go to the app to listen but Bill talks about how teams don't have to respect KJ's jump shot and that he is limited.

@BShark yep that’s old news

@BShark Yet he still gives him a ton of minutes and draws up plays for him constantly and at crucial times

Make it make sense (you can’t)

@approxinfinity said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

I’ll say it so @kuballin10 doesnt have to: Self used his personnel well today. People were used in the roles they were intended to be used and they responded.

I love Shak - quick, defends and PUSHES the ball up the floor and ATTACKS (he’s the opposite of d2)

I wouldn’t get too high or think it’s fixed because kj and Juan were guarded. UCF didn’t follow wvu, creighton or mu’s scout but no shock because dukies are never as bright as they think of themselves 😂

Does Bill practice guys not guarding kj or staying in the paint in practice or guys playing way off Juan?

Nice false hope W but the next gauge game is at Cincy and at isu to see how much we’ve magically improved (was a good bounce back but don’t get too high from it)

It’s comical as Bill hates giving up easy baskets but we do constantly against pnr and Bill loves man to man and hates junk d’s or zone…….YET

He’s getting schooled by guys literally not guarding his favorites! Haha I’ve been doing this since coaching ball entirely.

Modern defense is two options:
1) Let the 4-5 option on offense shoot and barely guard them unless they set foot in the paint. They hit 2-3 three’s great let them shoot 20-30 times because they will hesitate knowing it isn’t their “role” on the team - what teams do to KJ and Juan

2) let the main guy shoot 40 times and score 50 but stop everyone else or hold them to 10 points (offensively score 70 and win 70-60) - this is the Edey mode let him shoot everytime. He may make 50% but glue to everyone else and you win

The standard “tough man to man” is completely dead. Basketball is following football just way behind. Make guys beat you with their weak offensive guys (Bill Belicheck methods)…..if Creighton can school Bill than anyone on This board knows how to defeat this squad this year

I think the reasonable thing to do is to take the wins with a grain of salt and go into panic mode over the losses.

@Jhawk69 Love the sarcasm here but typically we have 1 random dumb loss in dec non con before break and 1-2 random losses in big 12 play while typically holding serve at home

We’ve been beat in the second round a lot and had a ton of blowout losses dating back these 2-3 years and the same issues are reoccurring

When you see that same playbook ran at us with no adjustments and more L’s than ever (20-14 in 2024) it causes concern

As a program it is unfortunately trending down and we all know what’s coming in March - second round or sweet 16 loss as we have no real shot to win a title (with teams like isu, Florida, uk, tenn, aub, Bama, Marquette)

We are that 12-20 range especially in the tourney

That’s frustrating for the expectations of this progrum

We supposedly have the best coach in the game, great nil, no ncaa over our head now for a few years and we’re supposed to be “the team” as Bill road off into the sunset with 1-2 more wins - because everyone wants to play for him now….

This was all after 2022’s win and look at what we’ve rolled out now for 3 straight years…..it has been the opposite of the motto #levelup which was after Bill’s heart issues

We had a good team in 2023. We won a brutal Big 12, were in the top 5 all year, and were a one seed. Using an early tourney exit to try to say otherwise is an illogical argument. Anyone can get bounced early.

We sucked last year.

We will have to see how we play this year. We have had highs and lows already and it is too early to say. My guess is that we are better than last year but far from being one of Bill's best squads.

@Jhawk69 The big 12 has shown it is anything but brutal with all the ncaa tourney proof year over year. Besides Texas tech’s run pre covid and Baylor’s covid magic - big 12 is constantly underperforming in the tourney

If we’d beat Ark we’d been trounced by uconn the next round as many fans have admitted

We didn’t have a legit team in 2023 to win it all with Juan and kj playing big minutes….

@kuballin10 You are right. If you disregard the Big 12s tournament success then they have underperformed, proving that it is a weak conference.

You are also right about us being plagued by the same issues time and time again. Last year we were plagued by McCullar getting hurt, Arterio getting kicked off the team, and Timberlake being terrible. This year McCullar is still hurt and not playing, Arterio is still kicked off the team, and Timberlake is still terrible.

Hey some things are still the same but let’s not talk about those because no way the coach has ever screwed up lineups, minutes or rewarding guys with low ceilings or major issues

Let me know who on this roster is an nba player (hint there is 1 and only 1)

Looking on the bright side we are undefeated in 2025 and have an average victory of 51 points good for number 1 in the world!

Yeah its hard to be bummed about KU basketball at this particular moment.

@approxinfinity Do you feel like we honestly have a real chance to make a final 4 and win a title this year?

@kuballin10 yes i do.

Yes? Auburn look good but who else are you really scared of that makes you think they can't? KU's biggest opponent is themselves and there is no reason that they can't improve to the point where they are competing for a 1 seed. Not going to say it is a lock to happen, but there is definitely a "real chance".

@MR11 What have you see this year from this group that makes you feel like the year won’t end like last year or the year before?

Every team in the coaches poll 1-12 is better than us and we’d face them in the sweet 16. I think we are a 3-5 seed so we’d face the 4/5 rd 32 and the 1 by the sweet 16…..

Our ceiling is making the sweet 16

Our most likely out is another second round drubbing or we keep it close but just can’t score enough when it counts (go figure welcome to 2025 college ball)

Nightmare is Sanford like team actually nips us

Because our best player isn't injured forcing us to start a failed transfer and two freshmen that aren't quite ready. I also think it is reasonable to expect the team to continue to gel and improve through B12 play.

The team we saw vs UCF would have destroyed our team that limped into the post season last year

@approxinfinity said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

The team we saw vs UCF would have destroyed our team that limped into the post season last year

And no KUKaren is going to tell me otherwise!!!

I was very encouraged to see Storr contribute in some way. Most of his shots were not created for him, but by him. Seems like from what others have said, that’s his thing.

How can he keep that up in the flow of regular offense?

@MR11 So you are confident and believe we will win the big 12?

@dylans Haha are we better - sure - by much - no. We are 3-4 in big 12, 3-5 seed and rd 32/swt 16 team

It’s “nice” but that isn’t Kansas standards of having a team that we all know has a legit shot at a title and is a top 5 team

2019 - Auburn blow out

2020 - robbed Doke and Dotson

2021 - USC blowout

2022 - Remy saved Self’s arse but he believes Juan is the greatest pg at KU off all time and KJ impacts games like Ochai moving forward

2023 - Musselman shows he doesn’t workout

2024 - Zags blow out

50% second round blowouts
16% second round tight loss
16% title
16% - I think we make final four not sure we win it all but man that year eats at me

@approxinfinity I think that’s fair

I also think last year with McCullar healthy we don’t lose the wvu game - he propels us over the top with a defensive play like he did at home against OU….

Don’t have that ability with any of our little 3 or the transfers. Kev is the best nba prospect between last years team and this years (Flory is long-term but not playing at that level like Kev did last year)

Kind of a leap to get that from what I said, we already dropped a home game and Houston doesn't have to play at ISU, so winning the regular season B12 is not likely no. But I also don't think it would be a massive upset if they did (~10% chance based on betting odds does seem about right).

I didn't even say they will for sure be good enough to compete for a F4, just that is won't take miracle for this team to improve to that level. They have shown they can hit that level of play in spurts, but do need some improvements in execution/consistency.

Honestly the main thing I worry about with this team is facing a team that can exploit Hunter on defense, because that is always going to be there.

@MR11 said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

Yes? Auburn look good but who else are you really scared of that makes you think they can't? KU's biggest opponent is themselves and there is no reason that they can't improve to the point where they are competing for a 1 seed. Not going to say it is a lock to happen, but there is definitely a "real chance".

Flip flop flip flop….you are sounding like Cowherd!

Says “yes, we can win the ncaa tourney I mean auburn is the only team that scares you”

“Well that’s a leap where did I ever say we’d win the big 12” - guy who said we got a legit shot and only Auburn scares him than waivers on confidence to win the league

“I didn’t even say they will for sure be good enough to compete for a F4” - says the guy who answered “yes, this is a final 4 team from what I’ve said and can win it all and only auburn is good. Oh but if we play good but uh uh they only play good in spurts oh but uh uh I swear they can put it all together they can do it”

So which side are you taking because you are hedging every single one 😂

This squad has the core 3 who aren’t good enough unless they had Ochai, Braun, Wilson and Remy around them

This roster isn’t good enough….not sure why everyone has homer glasses on when it is blatantly obvious

@kuballin10 our roster in 2022 wasnt good enough to win a championship for 80% of the season, and yet they did

Let it breathe

@approxinfinity They went 14-4 won the big 12 regular season and won the big 12 tourney and started peaking at the right time…..this team doesn’t have that

Definitely some bumps in the road but there was a distinct change in March that took place

If you think that same distinct change will happen this year let me know the current injured player who’s going to become our leading scorer in our first 3 ncaa tournament games

NCAA rd of 64- 15 points leading scorer

Rd 32 - 20 leading scoring

Sweet 16 - 23 leading scorer

Championship - 14 2nd leading scorer behind Wilson and Big Dave with 15

@kuballin10 if everything happened based on a script we wouldnt watch

@kuballin10 You already know who the player is that's capable of having an Remy like impact if the light ever comes for him like it finally did for Remy, and no he's not injured right now.

I don't why you've chosen to a bigger asshole than normal the last couple of days because I've never seen someone complain about a 51 point road win in conference before, but chill out and stop being an asshole to people who don't view things the same way you do.

@Texas-Hawk-10 all pac 12 player and much more efficient scorer >>> second team all big 10 and volume shooter (enjoyed your harden comparison that was $)

We have two hardens guys that can put up numbers but constantly lose (aj and more importantly Hunter who’s never won anywhere he’s played and we know why)

Not being an @hole just talking about the team. You came at me in the other thread and you don’t see me calling you an @hole just defended my points

We looked great at ucf but ucf guarded us like the water boy did the scout. Good bounce back win but do you want me to rant and rave over beating ucf on the road? We are Kansas….if that’s what this program has come too yikes

If we go beat houston or isu on the road - that will have my attention and show we might be a squad to compete for a title

@approxinfinity You watch the nfl right? ;)

@kuballin10 You are being an asshole to others for the past couple of days because you can't let other people enjoy a 51 point conference road win against a solid team without raining on their optimism because nothing Bill Self does is ever going to be good enough for you.

Dylans and MR11 were being optimistic about KU possibily turning a corner, made positive comments that did not involve or mention you, but yet you chose to respond to them by being negative about KU's future like normal and couldn't let them enjoy the win. That's how you're being asshole.

I'm going to tell you right now that you would be an absolute failure of a college coach because you'd absolutely suck at the political side of the job. If you try to run off every good player because of the next shiny toy coming along, you'd earn yourself a very negative reputation in coaching and recruiting circles of having zero loyalty to any player and would have to rebuild every year because everyone would be fearful of being recruited over every year.

If we all were to block him, there would be no threads composed mainly of responses to him.

Alternatively, do not feed the trolls.

Eh. I dont think he is trolling too hard but i appreciate @Texas-Hawk-10 explaining the perspective of why @kuballin10 is grating on him at present. People are different and its not always clear how without context.

I think its good to explore what can be improved even after a 51 point win, but there is a difference between “what can be improved” and “why Bill Self and this team arent capable of winning the big one, period”.

@kjayhawks said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

@BShark yep that’s old news

Some people on here act like Bill hasn't known the entire time. :)

He isn't dumb he just chooses what to live with.

@Jhawk69 said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

We had a good team in 2023. We won a brutal Big 12, were in the top 5 all year, and were a one seed. Using an early tourney exit to try to say otherwise is an illogical argument. Anyone can get bounced early.

We sucked last year.

We will have to see how we play this year. We have had highs and lows already and it is too early to say. My guess is that we are better than last year but far from being one of Bill's best squads.

RE 2023: Bill literally had to have a heart attack to not make the second weekend that year. Now, do we beat UConn probably not but who knows.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Scroll up…..

@approxinfinity tagged me regarding lineups which I commented on Shak starting and what I liked

I explained how poor UCF’s defensive gameplan was along with two more modern options Self would never do because he’s too stubborn

@Jhawk69 responded with sarcasm and zero comments about the actual defensive methods

@approxinfinity said state of KU bball is good and hard to be down after that big a win which had me shocked after KU went 20-14 in 2024 play

I asked ONLY @approxinfinity about being Title contenders and good enough this year

@MR11 piped in on his own with his reasoning and I rebuttaled

He’s a big boy I’m sure but you going out of your way to stick up for just some standard discussions on the team after 51 point win being title contenders or not is cute!

@BShark Why does he choose the lesser player? Is it all about trust and not about performance? He values one over another clearly even if the trust limits the performance

@BShark Uconn rolled that tourney there isn’t any way in my you can see how that played out and look back and think we had a chance even if Self was on the sideline

He’s been on the sideline for bigger blowout loses versus worse teams (usc and zags) for me to act like we had a chance against uconn that year

@kuballin10 if I look back at some of the rosters that overperformed during the “lean years” i am struck by how the sum was greater than the parts. I think Bill has that mindset always and values specific players higher because he believes the team operates better with them on the floor. What is debatable i think is how much of that is Bill Selfs gut, and how much is quantified or even quantiable from our vantage point, given that we dont have enough data to see how the replacement would perform with as many minutes. Bill has seen much much more of the replacements at practice than we have, but again i think we can speculate on how he assesses them in practice. Would love to see practice sessions.

@approxinfinity We can all agree on that

Some guys practice how they play and others are gamers - when the lights come on they perform well but in practice it doesn’t mean as much and they don’t

I think of the 2012 Trob/Tyshawn team with Teahan as over performing. That roster though had three guys that made nba rosters (not bmac as he didn’t play)

I’m struggling to see besides Flory who needs way more minutes - who on this squad is nba talent because you 100% need it to win it all

@approxinfinity I do think it's pretty clear that Flory is better than KJ. KJ has "earned it" by being here 4 years blablabla but Flory just has a better impact on the game at this point.

@kuballin10 2019 Doke injured, 2023 Self hospitalized, 2024 McCullar injured. The seasons where we are at full strength we tend to do well.

@BShark said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

@approxinfinity I do think it's pretty clear that Flory is better than KJ. KJ has "earned it" by being here 4 years blablabla but Flory just has a better impact on the game at this point.

9 rebound KJ doesn’t hurt the team. 2 rebound KJ does. 6 fouls per 40 Flory can’t play the entire game.

Flory's minutes are on the rise. Over the past 5 games he has logged 7, 8, 14, 17, and 21. I don't think we can complain that he isn't playing enough.

@dylans said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

@BShark said in Central Flaw rid unh-uh:

@approxinfinity I do think it's pretty clear that Flory is better than KJ. KJ has "earned it" by being here 4 years blablabla but Flory just has a better impact on the game at this point.

9 rebound KJ doesn’t hurt the team. 2 rebound KJ does. 6 fouls per 40 Flory can’t play the entire game.

Yeah that was a great match-up. I don't bet but I told my friends to bet the KJ rebounds over.

Not that Bill has to answer to me at all, but I feel like at least 20 minutes from Flory is ideal.

Top 7 rotation guys for me right now (not in any order): Hunt, Flory, Zeke, Juan, KJ, Rylan, Diggy Coit. Storr should be based on talent but mentally he is not there right now. Shak also has the potential to easily pass Diggy. It really is classic Bill to see Shak go from the dog house to starting.

@kuballin10 If you are taking a post where I said they have a chance to compete at the highest level and taking it to mean that I fully think they are the best team in the country and going to win the B12 already down a game, that is on you man.

I was responding to a post where you implied KU didn't have a real chance to compete for a F4/national title and I 100% disagree with that statement.

@kuballin10

"@Jhawk69 responded with sarcasm and zero comments about the actual defensive methods"

To clarify, my comment about taking wins with a grain of salt and panicing over losses was not a response to you or directed towards anyone in particular. It was meant to be a lighthearted joke about the tendency of sports fans to panic too easily.

Have a good day and let's hope for a win vd ASU tonight.

@Jhawk69 That’s a great point….don’t think those teams win it all at full strength but they definitely would have a lightyears better chance based on those names

Hope we throttle asu tonight for the crowd to give them some juice

@Jhawk69 He needs 20-25 mpg based on his impact! Dudes the only legit nba prospect on the roster and Bill can’t limit the team because he favors another player

Hope the trend continues

@MR11 Man twisting words about “compete at the highest level”.

I asked a straight forward question - do you think this roster and team is good enough to reach a final 4 and win a title.

I don’t but clearly others do and hope I’m wrong

Sec is a gauntlet but all those teams would score on us so easily and do enough to limit us offensively that I think we’d lose by 15-20 and the game in the sweet 16 not be particularly close

Btw, regarding “scoring on us easily” this team is much better on the defensive side than offensive according to kenpom. Im curious how that holds up.

That might be a topic all to itself. 5th in the country in DRtg! How do yall like them apples??

@kuballin10 Dude I have been nothing but straightforward, how is me summarizing my original post as thinking "compete at the highest level" twisting of words? Is a number 1 seed not qualifying as playing high level college basketball? I'll even post it below so you dont have to scroll back to see it. You don't need to start every message with a snarky comeback, I'm not trying to attack you here just answering your questions.

"Yes? Auburn look good but who else are you really scared of that makes you think they can’t? KU’s biggest opponent is themselves and there is no reason that they can’t improve to the point where they are competing for a 1 seed. Not going to say it is a lock to happen, but there is definitely a “real chance”."

Appreciate the civility in this thread. Differences of opinion AND differences of conversational styles, and yet we haven’t all cancelled each other and resorted to name calling. Well done. 1000 points to everyone.

@kuballin10 I agree he deserves to keep playing big minutes. 25 mpg might be ideal.

What I like about this team is we can play any combination of our 3 bigs. We can play KJ with Hunter, Flory with Hunter, or KJ with Flory. We will probably give all three of them substantial minutes and play the hot hand moving forward.

@MR11 Fair enough - you think they can win it all and I’m not seeing it from this squad

KU has the easiest remaining schedule in our conference. Predicted to finish 15 up 5 down. Nationally we have the 4th best defense.
Offense is rated 10th best among the KPOM leaders. ASU has two starting guards shooting 48% on 3PT so one of them will have a career high tonight. IF KU makes 10 treys we will score 80 pts and snatch the win. Will this be a let down game where we come out low energy well who knows. Would love to see a solid game with our Cinderella group of Storr, Griffen, Shak and Coit all trying to be the pretty sister.

Was listening today to a Cincinnati & didn't realize we are 4th in Defensive eff. We are 24th in offensive eff according to Ken Pom they said,KU 12 in defensive rebounding - -104th offensive rebounding --got to improve that