One of my favorite shows, "Monster Lizard Ravages East Coast. Uh Les, that's Blizzard, not Lizard". "As God as my witness I thought turkeys could fly"

Can Jayhawks fly? Lets hope they do today in a place where they were flightless last year. I think we're better than last year, Cincy is slumping a bit.

Watch the big European shooting 3's he's deadly. Watch the 7 footer who makes 70% of his shots. Foul 23. He's making 26% at the line while making 66% from the field which is a wild stat line. They got a dude named Jizzle who is a turnover and assist machine.

So I think we're good, but they've been living around the rankings so I'm calling for a close one 72-69, but could see it the other way around.

Nati is favored to win

@BeddieKU23 Are you surprised by that?

@BeddieKU23 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

Nati is favored to win

Computers like KU. The spread has been wild in the last 24 hours. For awhile you could get Cincy +2 but I think it has shifted back.

@wissox said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

@BeddieKU23 Are you surprised by that?

Honestly, yes. Cincy is 0-3 in league play with a loss to KSU and a 20 point loss to an underwhelming Baylor team.

@wissox Same with you on the show. I got the DVD’s as it is difficult to find it to stream. One of my faves was when Johnny Fever’s reaction time improved while drunk while the goal was to prove just the opposite. The turkey episode is an all time classic.

Cincy has only two opponents score in the 70's one 72 and one 70. If we are prepared to defend like crazy and maybe have a 40 point half it should be good.

Looking forward to Hunter facing #55 Bandaogo, 7', 9 pts a game. Cinci has a 6'8" G, #41 Lukosius averaging 13/gm. Yes, any team can beat KU on an off day, but I sure don't believe Cinci should be favored.

@Zabudda said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

Cincy has only two opponents score in the 70's one 72 and one 70. If we are prepared to defend like crazy and maybe have a 40 point half it shpuld be good.

They are pretty good defensively for sure. Long and athletic.

Until this team can prove they can go on the road consistently and win games against decent opponents I'm skiptical, or skeptical. Tired of being court rushed. UCF was decent only because of last years result but we were quite a bit better obviously this year. We got waxed twice on the road last year, like just mauled. Then conference tourney we scored 52 against Cincy and lost by 20.

For those about to Rock (Chalk), I salute you!

Auburn down 6 in first half to SC. Illinois gonna have to comeback in last 3 minutes against USC. UI missing their great freshman whose name I can't pronounce.

One thing that scares me about the Bearcats:

Their biggest weakness is free-throw shooting. BUT, we all know they will be excellent at the line today.

ISU is on the road a -2.5 against TTU. KU 68-64.

Dude touched the ball on the rim. I mean it was coming off but still.

Lots of touches for KJ on perimeter thus far

@approxinfinity said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

Lots of touches for KJ on perimeter thus far

To little effect...

Yeah running him like a point forward

I hope the coaches read my scouting report.

I’m more excited about this game than I have been in awhile. It seems like a big bellwether test. Can we win against a good team on the road? Will we show the energy that makes us look like legitimate NC contenders? Like wissox says above I’m tired of court rushes too. Would love to see some of our guys do some serious flex on the road today

We only have 1 year of shak moore right?

Zero energy so so far

@kjayhawks we will be ok, cincy just came in juiced

That was a great shot by Hunter who is being handled egregiously by 55.

Mayo gives us the lead, hoping that’s a trend

That was a cold blooded 3 on 1 3 pointer. A lot of guys would have been killed by Self for doing that.

I was thinking please don’t shoot that Zeke had 2 guys wide open cutting to the hoop shades of CB

I guess the get KJ going has been scrapped. We need to amp up the defense.

KJ please stop shooting 12 footers

@approxinfinity said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

We only have 1 year of shak moore right?

I wish we had 10, dude is everywhere already and his hands on the 3 or 4 times defensively

Irish Magic this week. They're taking Duke down to the wire in Durham.

I've never seen a man named Roxy...until now.

Shaktin the fool!

wtf Juan back to back TOs

Want a lock? bet on a flory block.

So many additional offensive rebounds bidunga will have when he adds a little muscle

Good D hunt

I feel like we can’t have Shak and Juan out at the same time

No fouls called in the first 9 min. Nice.

Cincy challenging us with man to man defense.

KU has 0 Pts in the Paint. Cinci has 12. We should fix that.

Old cincy coach Mick, At UCLA is still a dick

We are allergic to attacking the rim. All 5 buckets from outside the paint.

Nice rebound by flory

5 sloppy TOs...

The TO's are lazy the game about to get crazy

Nice hustle Hunt.

We had one nice run, but otherwise it aint no fun.

Lifeless bunch today

Coit

Damn

Like I said zero energy smh. We couldn’t hit the ground with our hat in 3 tries. 3 post touches for Big Hunt ain’t gonna cut it. Need to stop jacking up 3s.

@AsadZ

Can't shoot

Grif with 0 points and multiple TOs, seems struggling

Odd note here almost 14 minutes in zero foul calls

Physical game and refs letting them play

We need more from Storr

Shooting 2/20 35% just isn't going to win on the road. Awful

Announcers seem decent

Hunter shuts up the airball chant

They are waiting for our drive and kick passes

Hunter has no interest in contesting baseline drives

The reason for my scowl is they will call no foul

Nice oop

I don't mind this type of games if it is well played but it's not.

If we can keep this close and come out with something that resembles a heart we will be okay

If griffen is flat aj seems to have some life at both ends. More AJ please, for now

@approxinfinity said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

If griffen is flat aj seems to have some life at both ends. More AJ please, for now

Bill is just gonna need to go with whom ever of those two is going on that particular day. Very similar players

With ESPN+ I suffer because it always seem to buffer.

More boards

Foul!

@kjayhawks maybe in output thus far but seem like different mindsets and phenotypes to me. AJ is more capable of driving. Wingspan is longer. Rylen less streaky more compact shooter as catch and shoot guy, AJ can more create his own shot. Rylen seems more consistent and postive mentally.

AJ is definitely a black hole - ball goes into him and doesn't come back out...

Refs really only gonna call a foul on us?

19:15 seconds before a foul on them

Very nice AJ

Stud

@kjayhawks said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

19:15 seconds before a foul on them

Because we don't do much to earn fouls....

AJ getting comfortable with that backdoor lob

Gonna be close at the half, I’ll take it

Gosh i love moores d

@approxinfinity said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

@kjayhawks maybe in output thus far but seem like different mindsets and phenotypes to me. AJ is more capable of driving. Wingspan is longer. Rylen less streaky more compact shooter as catch and shoot guy, AJ can more create his own shot. Rylen seems more consistent and postive mentally.

Yes I agree they are definitely different but I think you don’t want both on the floor at once. You just go with the hot hand

Foul in the lane. No wonder the calls are so low

@kjayhawks true true

My screen been fuzzy all half doesn't make me want to laugh.

Yea Zeke got hammered but no call

Good come back.

Prediction: we lock it down and blow these guys out. Not going out on a limb.

Juan’s head was smacked in the lane on that last shot.

Only semi-good thing to say about the 1st half is that we are just down 1...

AJ played well. Should get more minutes today.

Thought that was about as good as Cincy could play though. Expecting us to pull away in the 2nd half.

Can you believe THREE fouls total called the entire first half total? -- Incredible clean defense lol

@wissox <— our own poet laureate, tho some don’t even know it yet :-)

@StLJhawk These Rhymes coming just in thyme!

Defense was solid in the first half, but that strong defensive line up also isn't a good offensive line up. If the defense isn't getting live ball turnovers, the offense is going to struggle a bit to manufacture points.

@wissox So far the team has not played too hard, but regardless appreciate our local bard.

I think it was pretty good defense but poor shooting on uncontested shots. We are working really hard on offense but can't finish.

Can't rhyme this one. Zero $EC games today being given the E$PN+ treatment. 4 B12 games on ESPN+ including the last 2 national champs besides UConn.

@wissox said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

Can't rhyme this one. Zero $EC games today being given the E$PN+ treatment. 4 B12 games on ESPN+ including the last 2 national champs besides UConn.

Because they have the SEC Network. Without that, it'd be 4 games as well.

I know he doesn’t care that much about the product as long as he’s on tv, but Yormark has to want to improve the officiating in this league. Across the board it’s genuinely awful and makes the Big 12 unwatchable slop. No consistency, no predictability.

@Texas-Hawk-10

ESPN owns SEC Network I believe.

Ku should feel fairly good playing this poor and only down by one.- - Lucky Cincinnati not hitting their three's

Iowa St down nine with 55 seconds to go in the first half to Tech

I have more faith in Storr and Griffen figuring it out on defense than I do of Juan and KJ figuring it out on offense. I think Storr and Griffen need to play more and we just have to live with the growing pains.

Anyone else have a fuzzy screen? Been this way for a half hour. I normally have good internet.

I can't even see all the fouls they're not calling on Cincy

Start the half with a brick, not really liking that trick

Anyone notice Self has worn a different shirt (one with old logo) than rest of staff for last 2 games

@Zabudda said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

@Texas-Hawk-10

ESPN owns SEC Network I believe.

They do, but that's why there's no SEC games on ESPN+. Without the SEC Network, they'd also have 4 games there as well.

Oooh shot clock violation early in second half!
Love that sign

So many bunnies missed

KJ good for one offensive rebound for the possession but forget about a second

2-12 from 3 - lucky Cinn has been even worse...

Shak all day

Think Roxy is a weird name what about jizzle?

I've just got to say, 1 foul called on Cincy all day.

I guess refs reviewed what a foul was during halftime.

Doing some rebounding today

@approxinfinity Jizzle is Edgerrin James’ son if I remember correctly.

I appreciate the baseline offensive rebounds by KJ. Next would be learning to fight for position when there are bodies between him and rim

KJ a bit more active on the boards, but Cinn sloughs off of him every time he touches the ball - tough to get good spacing...

They are giving it to us with their shooting might as well take it.

@DCHawker yeah i mean this is def progress for KJ, they seem to be working on things. A ways to go to be more complete but rebounding was def top of the list as everyone on board i think agreed on

AJ fluid in 2 man game with Hunt

Yet another example of KJ not going strong all the way to the rim through contact...

Hunt rebound dude come on. Get off the floor

Imo its bidunga time. Sit hunt to get a breath

Storr still awaiting to score

I have no idea why Storr is out there

@wissox shall we wait forevermore

Oof in your face Flory ;) he can close better on that

In the city of Johnny Bench Storr goes to the ...uh bench

Storr may be a decent scorer, but he is decidedly not a good basketball player...

Self is running this team exactly like we are asking him to :) hunt and storr out

I hope my screen keeps buffering as this is just hard to watch.

Pee yoo our offense is doo doo butt rn

This game sucks. Both teams playing like crap

Rough minutes for everyone, but especially AJ there…

how fricken ugly can two teams play ? - -Really Really sad Basketball

1st team to 50 wins?

Now 2-17 from 3. My daughter's rec league team can do better than that...

1 foul they've committed at least what the refs submitted.

Ok prediction: dajuan shak rylan flory hunt

@DCHawker Cin 2-13 from the three

Had we just taken some decent shots the past 9 minutes we'd be up 20, similar to the ASU game

What can you even say about this game...

Shooting 3's w/out bounders underneath

@patoh3 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

1st team to 50 wins?

Perhaps 40

We are growing more and more frustrated and Cincy is growing more and more confident

Griffen and Storr a combined 1-7...

Time to bring in Rakese hell why not can't do any worse

I must say hats off to Cincy, they are playing toughly

I got 3/5

Well at least no players in foul trouble, and 100% from the line! (2-2 lol)

This team is going to win with bad ball a lot this season.

Hunt you are shit on the defensive glass. Horrid

Final some penetration on offense

Flory needs to take extreme liberties laterally on defensive glass bc hunter will not move

refs do not seem to know what a foul is

In this game foul #2, so of course Cincy fans gonna boo.

3 baskets in a row!

Slambidunka!

@DanR said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

refs do not seem to know what a foul is

I'm not gonna complain about that one though.

Amazing the good things that can happen when you drive into the paint...

Im happy with this lineup tho. @kuballin10 take note: offense struggling and shak in for dajuan.

over the back shaq

This is an ole big east game here, wish we could get a few foul calls on them

Coit Damn

Wow still no juan, mayo in for coit

Soooo many missed bunnies, jeez

Smart Shak!

@approxinfinity said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

Wow still no juan, mayo in for coit

Waiting for the under 8 timeout probably.

KJ much better off ball in transition than on. Well done on the glass. 3rd offensive board for KJ

For Adams I couldn't find a word, so I'll say that was absurd.

these are the things that KJ does diving to the floor , rebound at critical times , steal the ball- -and just hustle

Kj good hustle!

KJ is actually our second leading scorer this game....

@SlimShaddy54 he cant rebound when its contested only when he is unobstructed to rim. But we’ll take it.

Using speed and hops,
Not size

Ha we play like this in Hilton it will be a 30 point blow out

We will still win this by 10

stop shooting threes please

Griffen ran half way to midcourt then turned around and still got offensive board in his own shot, lol

A great fast break, and a sweet hunter make

Why do we keep shooting these three's

@DanR said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

stop shooting threes please

2-20...

KJs shot just gets worse and worser

31% from the field; 10% from 3. Really ugly KU

Whoopie a FIVE POINT LEAD

KJ can't even come close on those open 12 footers...

that missed dunk had to hurt. That's the way I used to dunk it

when KJ elbow J isnt automatic, his shooting them will catch some static

@DanR lOL ME TOO WHEN i WAS ON A STEP LADDER

@stoptheflop said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

31% from the field; 10% from 3. Really ugly KU

Cincy only 33.3% from the field and 12.5% from 3. Defense is playing well.

No more 12 or 15 footers KJ

Please

How can you possibly go 2/20 from 3.

@approxinfinity said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

when KJ elbow J isnt automatic, his shooting them will catch some static

It is never automatic, always erratic.... ;)

I’m crushing on Shak

@FarmerJayhawk back off b, hes mine!

Missed dunk Painful for Dan, but not for me cause dunks were not in the plan.

@Zabudda same way the opposition goes 2-15,- - how many three point shots has Cincy air balled

@DCHawker Rhyming now too!

@FarmerJayhawk

Bills screaming move the ball and Shak says floater anyone.

@DanR I broke my wrist my freshman year after clanging off the front rim and landing on my wrist and tailbone. My tailbone hurt so bad that I did not realize I had broken my wrist until an hour later.

Patoh3 had a bad fall trying to dunk the ball

Zeke through contact, really like that kid

Mayo looks for the Kayo

BISM

Kid's got some hops!

Moore receiving a lob?? Love it

Mayo and Moore > Griffen and Storr...

@wissox how do you endure this style of basketball watching the Badgers all the time?

A four possession game ain't no shame.

This maybe one of the ugliest games in memory but a win is a win lol

Zekeeeeee

Basketball stud

KU showed up guys

D wins games

D turns into O

@Crimsonorblue22 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

D wins ~~games~~ championships

This game was very watchable imo. Self juggled lineups and eventually cracked the code. He isnt shying away from combinations that he should try, like at all, this game. No fear, learn some things, walk away with a W running away with it.

Love it.

Interesting how the lack of calls coincides with a lack of successful drives to the hoop

@Kcmatt7 Have you been paying attention to the Badgers? 116 against Iowa the other day! Gard has some scorers this year and is freeing them up a lot. He really has done so somewhat since Bo left. But I love defense and it's a virtue in the game and we hold a team to under 40 like we possibly could here I'll say it's a thing of beauty.

this might be the shortest game in history

Nba 3s aint gonna do it for Cinci

An 11 point lead in this game might as well be a 25 point lead in a regular game.

We made 50, this one turning nifty!

Dang I think Cinci is going 0-4 in conference

Lock down tight, nighty night

First to 50 we won!!

That ISU game is going to be a really interesting clash of styles.

We shot to many 3's

Announcer said Cincy just 2 for 18 from three. KU said here hold my brick.

@approxinfinity Another verse without rehearse.

41 has a punchable face

Our offense it stank, as the 3s all went clank, but chalk nuther one up for the ‘hawks

Wave the wheat, this was pretty neat!

The disparity in rebounding effort for hunt on offensive end compared to defensive end is significant.

Easy cover never a doubt!

Not often that you can shoot 35% from the field and 2-21 from 3 on the road and come away with a win....

Teams can't shoot worth a hoot but we win by over 10.

Good Game. Look at all the time I have to do chores around the house now.

We certainly will take the win, but the way our shots fell was a sin.

Aziz is a very dirty player btw

thanks ladies and gents, always fun to give my 2 cents!

ugly but I’ll take it, Good guys wins again

KU is allowing 51.3 ppg in conference play now.

Our 2025 win average is still high at 28 points 3-0 lol

What has become quickly clear is that Shak is a difference maker. Allows us to win ugly...

Isu and tt tied

Shaq making a big difference on this team

Only 12 fouls and 7 FT's today combined.

@Texas-Hawk-10 crazy

Look at it like this , if we can play this ugly and still find a way to win , has got to be good fortune

Bet we have Fran wed

Held ASU/CINCI to 13 and 15 points in the second half

@Crimsonorblue22 🙄

@Crimsonorblue22 Not if you sinc it up with Hanni and Gurley!

Where do we play tech?

@Crimsonorblue22 Home

Second half for Cincy - .517 ppp

Bill must be BEAMING after these recent defensive showings.

Time to go make some chili and get ready for the Texans game!

KJ better last two games rebounding , Nine & then Seven today- - Five offensive - - we doing better on the offensive glass

@BShark How much does defense cause a team like cincy to miss so many shots at the rim? I mean my screen was really pretty poor quality but there must have been ten plays where through the snow I thought oh crap they're gonna score and then somehow they missed? Looked like a lot of really easy wide open misses to me. I know defensive pressure can get in a kids head but, idk, what's the answer?

@wissox I think that the rims weren’t regulation size in this one haha

ISU and TTU a good game - much higher level of play...

I’ve been pretty easy on Juan this year, he’s been pretty solid for the most part but Shak out played him hardcore today. Idk how many deflections he got today. I hate how if you get one the steal goes to whomever catches it but I counted 8. Juando had 5 points and 1 assist today with zero fouls telling me he wasn’t aggressive in the slightest

@wissox said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

@BShark How much does defense cause a team like cincy to miss so many shots at the rim? I mean my screen was really pretty poor quality but there must have been ten plays where through the snow I thought oh crap they're gonna score and then somehow they missed? Looked like a lot of really easy wide open misses to me. I know defensive pressure can get in a kids head but, idk, what's the answer?

They had some that went in and out. The missed dunk was insane but I don't think they had tons of open looks all game. I could be wrong.

We had 5 turnovers in the first 8 minutes and 2 in the last 32. Why in the world was this game not boring?

@Zabudda said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

We had 5 turnovers in the first 8 minutes and 2 in the last 32. Why in the world was this game not boring?

Some people appreciate great defense and KU was pretty much lights out on defense today. Cincy was pretty good defensively for the first 30 minutes today.

Cincy only scored 3 points in the final 7:33 of the game. KU's defense was lights out down the stretch.

@wissox both I think

Shak Moore 27 minutes today, only one less than Juan.

What a 2nd half, still ugly but got the job done. Clutch buckets late

The 40 points Ku gave up today is the least amount of points since all the way back in 1963

Hunter Dickinson Highlights vs. Cincinnati (14 Pts, 12 Rebs, 2 Asts)

@SlimShaddy54 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

The 40 points Ku gave up today is the least amount of points since all the way back in 1963

That's gotta be in regards to conference play because I know there were a couple of times while I was at KU that they held a non-conference opponents under 40. Just looked it up, Alcorn St. in 2009-10 and Howard in 2011-12.

@BShark Offense looked the best when Juan wasn’t on the floor. Sloppy with the ball and doesn’t even command the other team guards him

Good news - we won

Bad news - other team didn’t guard kj and we labored to score yet again. Bad spacing, wrong guys taking the wrong shots, turnovers and no driving lanes

Against a good team we’d get handled by 15-20 which is what I expect isu to do Wednesday. If Cincy could have thrown it in the ocean they’d won

The whole “we play bad but make them play worse” I’m not a fan of. How about we figure out the way to play our best ball versus worry about the other team making us play poorly.

Good road win that we will take but Wednesday we will see if we are turning a corner or just another sweet 16 team with no title chance

@kjayhawks said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

I’ve been pretty easy on Juan this year, he’s been pretty solid for the most part but Shak out played him hardcore today. Idk how many deflections he got today. I hate how if you get one the steal goes to whomever catches it but I counted 8. Juando had 5 points and 1 assist today with zero fouls telling me he wasn’t aggressive in the slightest

You were watching a very different game if you think Dejuan wasn't aggressive at all today.

Nobody had more than 2 assists for KU today and only 12 for the game which is probably a season low, or close to it.

What Shak does for Dejuan is take pressure off of him. Dejuan no longer has to have the responsibility of both running the offense and guarding the other team's best perimeter player. Shak being able to focus on guarding the best perimeter player allows Dejuan to guard a lesser player which requires less energy.

It also means that Dejuan can focus more of his energy on running the offense and what the assists numbers say is that KU was scoring more off of the second and third passes rather than directly off of Dejuan's passes.

Cincinnati played great defense for the first 30 minutes, but KU finally wore out their defense and Dejuan was a large part of that with his movement both with and without the ball.

Shak and Dejuan are not in competition with each other. Their games compliment each other very well and work best when both are on the floor together.

@kjayhawks Crazy what will happen to the program when a legitimate D1 athlete who can drive, defend and hit the occasional 3 will do

Now imagine a 4 man who’s athletic and can stretch the floor

Actual spacing and good offense! I’m sure we will still pound it inside to some big man with low offensive skill set cause that’s the Self way but least we will be fun to watch!

@Texas-Hawk-10 I'm not sure Gurley and Hanni is the one's who mentioned it saying first time since 63

@Texas-Hawk-10 That place will be rocking and I might just be there for it

Their guards are all crazy athletic and force a ton of turnovers (I feel like most in conference but don’t care to look it up).

Juan, Zeke and Kj will all have 3+ a piece

@FarmerJayhawk welcome to the 90’s baby

David Lawrence on the radio said it was the lowest point total for an opponent on the road since 1960 when we held Nebraska to 39 in Lincoln

KJ was awesome today. That stretch where he forced the Cincinnati turnover then got the stickback and drew the foul was the most important moment in the game

@Jhawk69

Big time play. The emotions after was well deserved

Zeke, Shak, and DaJuan were all rock-solid on defense. Shout-out to Hunter for playing the best defensive game of his career as well.

@kuballin10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

@Texas-Hawk-10 That place will be rocking and I might just be there for it

Their guards are all crazy athletic and force a ton of turnovers (I feel like most in conference but don’t care to look it up).

Juan, Zeke and Kj will all have 3+ a piece

KU only turns the ball over 10 times per game. They've been much better at protecting the ball than you think this season. They're also only allowing 51.3 ppg in conference play with 3 of the 4 teams being projected in the NCAA Tournament field. ISU isn't going to come close to the 86 ppg they're averaging this season. It'll be a game played somewhere between 65-75 points.

Today was KU's 7th game of the season holding an opponent under 60 points and 2nd time holding a team under 50. The last title team held 8 opponents under 60 points and the last time KU held multiple teams under 50 was the 2019-20 team.

This group is showing some things in common with two of the best KU teams in recent history, especially on defense.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Isu will score 70-75 and shoot well in front of an electric crowd

We will score in that 50-59 range and maybe crack 60 if they call off the dogs the last 2 minutes

@Texas-Hawk-10 In 2018 the number one defensive team in the nation lost to a 16 seed

When you pride yourself on defense from 2015 on that isn’t the best way to win. Slowing down the game, limiting possessions are all things bad teams want good teams to do.

Offensive ranking from 2015 on is a better indicator

@Texas-Hawk-10 last game we saw a baseline lob to AJ first play of second half i think against the 2-3. Today we saw a shot clock violation, maybe on the first possession second half for Cincy. These are key indicators for me. A couple set play buckets can be the difference. And stifling d on command can be the catalyst for a devastating run that breaks our opponent like we did second half today.

A debate about whether having an elite defense is a good thing.... This should be interesting 🤔

Worked well in 2018….oh wait

Elite offense >> elite defens

If prideful Hurley can figure it out anyone can
Spends more practice on O than D

Shhhh. 2018 never happened 🤫

@kuballin10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

@Texas-Hawk-10 In 2018 the number one defensive team in the nation lost to a 16 seed

When you pride yourself on defense from 2015 on that isn’t the best way to win. Slowing down the game, limiting possessions are all things bad teams want good teams to do.

Offensive ranking from 2015 on is a better indicator

So fast tempo, got it. KU's tempo is faster than Auburn, Duke, and Tennessee's and not much slower than ISU's and none of those teams are top 100 in tempo. There's only 1 team in Kenpom's top 5 that has a top 100 tempo. Looks like other good teams, including pretty much all of the title contenders, prefer playing at a slower tempo as well.

Maybe KU isn't playing nearly as slow as you think they are.

IDK, several games ago we watched WVU carve up a very indifferent defense, well at least until they were better. But 2nd half totals. WVU. 29 pts, UCF 23, AZSt 13. Today 15. We've given up 80 points in the equivalent of 2 games of basketball in the 2nd half. Go back further, Brown scored 22, NCState only scored 30. That's 132 points given up in the 2nd halfs of 6 games, an average of 22. Seems like the team turned a corner after the Missou loss.

@wissox

Good research

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

@kuballin10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

@Texas-Hawk-10 In 2018 the number one defensive team in the nation lost to a 16 seed

When you pride yourself on defense from 2015 on that isn’t the best way to win. Slowing down the game, limiting possessions are all things bad teams want good teams to do.

Offensive ranking from 2015 on is a better indicator

So fast tempo, got it. KU's tempo is faster than Auburn, Duke, and Tennessee's and not much slower than ISU's and none of those teams are top 100 in tempo. There's only 1 team in Kenpom's top 5 that has a top 100 tempo. Looks like other good teams, including pretty much all of the title contenders, prefer playing at a slower tempo as well.

Maybe KU isn't playing nearly as slow as you think they are.

Of the last 10 national champions, more have been outside the top 300 in tempo than inside the top 100. Kind of a crazy stat but then again Nova, UConn, Virginia, and KU all play some kind of motion that lends itself to working into the shot clock. Bama is really the outlier among recently really good teams that plays fast.

@kuballin10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

Worked well in 2018….oh wait

Elite offense >> elite defens

If prideful Hurley can figure it out anyone can
Spends more practice on O than D

You have that backwards. UConn hasn't won an NCAA Tournament game under Hurley in any season they haven't had a top 10 defense. He's had good good offenses before the two titles and he has a good offense this season, but those other years, UConn's defense was not good enough to win an NCAA Tournament game. Also, don't forget that Hurley's first title came against the weakest Final Four team in history and finished 4th in the Big East that season. Hurley had more luck in that tournament than Self did in 2022.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

@kuballin10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

@Texas-Hawk-10 In 2018 the number one defensive team in the nation lost to a 16 seed

When you pride yourself on defense from 2015 on that isn’t the best way to win. Slowing down the game, limiting possessions are all things bad teams want good teams to do.

Offensive ranking from 2015 on is a better indicator

So fast tempo, got it. KU's tempo is faster than Auburn, Duke, and Tennessee's and not much slower than ISU's and none of those teams are top 100 in tempo. There's only 1 team in Kenpom's top 5 that has a top 100 tempo. Looks like other good teams, including pretty much all of the title contenders, prefer playing at a slower tempo as well.

Maybe KU isn't playing nearly as slow as you think they are.

Heck no, not all tempo - also ppg and how offensively efficient you are. Teams you listed below….

Auburn ppg - 87.9 -#1 O on kenpom

Duke - 80 #6

Tenn - 77.3 #35

Isu - 86.3 #7

Ku- 78.9 #30

@Texas-Hawk-10 You just make stuff up?

Tell me the years they had a top 5 offensive efficiency on kenpom and what they did that year? They weren’t top 10 any other year offensively per KP from 2018 on except their 2 title years. I’ve literally this summer listed out or heck maybe it was this past March the ncaa winners offensive and defensive ratings dating back to 2015 and showed O is more important than D. O rating was higher whereas D didn’t have to be perfect could be anywhere from 8-15 range

Hint - 3rd and a 2023 ncaa title

1st in 2024 - title

@kuballin10 What am I making up? At no point did I say anything about which ranking was higher between offense and defense. That's 100% you. You keep trying to imply I think offense doesn't matter, tell me where I've ever said that? UConn had good offenses before their title teams, they didn't have good defenses and couldn't won a tournament game because their defense was trash. They won their titles when their defense went from barely top 50 to top 10. Their offense was already top 25 before the titles.

Is there anyone who disagrees that offense is slightly more important than defense but that both are extremely important?

@Jhawk69 I think the last 3 games have proved that D had been more important. JMI

You can argue back and forth about which one is more important but great teams are good at both when they need to be. I believe no team has won a NC without being top 20 in both Defensive and Offensive efficiency since KenPom started tracking them. Defense is better to me because it travels and doesn’t have an off night.

@kjayhawks Today was a perfect example of what you're saying. Our offense wasn't very good until the last 6-8 minutes but our defense kept us in the game. Granted, Cincy shot poorly but I like to think we had a lot to do with that.

Wow, that was maybe the ugliest game I can recall.

The D is coming alive! I watched the Shaq post game interview. Very impressed with his confidence and demeanor.

Some of the stats are just astounding.

Seven total FT attempts! Combined.

KU under 10% from deep.

I’m not quite sure what to think of this team. It seems to be transitioning the last three games.

All Shaq?

Shakeel seems to be most athletic guard in the team, more so than AJ.

After Flo, #2 most athletic.

This was kind of a game where HCBS was licking his chips and smiling all the way back to Lawrence.

Chicks love the long ball. A 49-48 football score is rapturous. A game with barely 100 points is awful....say some. But defense is 51% of the game. Yet many comment 'we'll never get to the 2nd weekend' or 'this team is broke'. Not sure why this team can't score the basketball but if we were won 94-80 yesterday it'd be joy in mudville because the team can make shots. No one would be complaining about a 14 point road victory.

Not really seeing this here but seeing comments on other social media about the teams struggles.

I mean the offense is not nearly close to the level it needs to be. #32 ranked on Kenpom, the d is rated 28 places ahead. They have been struggling to score all season long. You need to be proficient and good at both ends in March. Defense will carry you so far as it has lately but this is the regular season.

Hopefully as time continues on we'll see improvement on offense. We play the best team to date on Wednesday in their gym and it's crucial we see a level of offense that can compete with the big dogs.

@BeddieKU23 We do have a neutral court win over Duke so we know this team can beat other elite schools on a neutral floor.

@BeddieKU23 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

I mean the offense is not nearly close to the level it needs to be. #32 ranked on Kenpom, the d is rated 28 places ahead. They have been struggling to score all season long. You need to be proficient and good at both ends in March. Defense will carry you so far as it has lately but this is the regular season.

And how freaking weird is all that!? Totally the opposite of how we thought this team was built. Thought we’d need to score 90 per game to compete!

On the podcast Field of 68 , these guys were impressed how KU has become a pretty good defensive team. - - over the last three games we are giving up a scoring avg of 47.6 points pe game- 48 , 55 , & 40 .- last two were 13 points in the 2nd half -- & yesterday 15 points- -they were talking holding Cincinnati to 40 points on there home floor. - that's a point a minute.

The host said really love Hunters comment saying if we are going to play poorly then let's just make sure the other team plays more poorly. ---Shaq is making a big difference- - believe that

REALITY CHECK: ISU awaits us! This is a team built to give us a real challenge. We better bring defense and we damn sure better bring offense. If we dilly-dally through the first half of this game we will be down 20+! I heavily suggest we finally make Hunter stay in the post and score! You want high ball screens, that’s what KJ’s for!

@drgnslayr said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

REALITY CHECK: ISU awaits us! This is a team built to give us a real challenge. We better bring defense and we damn sure better bring offense. If we dilly-dally through the first half of this game we will be down 20+! I heavily suggest we finally make Hunter stay in the post and score! You want high ball screens, that’s what KJ’s for!

First half dilly dallying is a concern.

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This team is good. Just doesn't look like how some people would want it to. Then again some people are never happy.

@rockchalkjayhawk said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

@BeddieKU23 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

I mean the offense is not nearly close to the level it needs to be. #32 ranked on Kenpom, the d is rated 28 places ahead. They have been struggling to score all season long. You need to be proficient and good at both ends in March. Defense will carry you so far as it has lately but this is the regular season.

And how freaking weird is all that!? Totally the opposite of how we thought this team was built. Thought we’d need to score 90 per game to compete!

Good point. I'm still not sure we can play this kind of defense against say Iowa St or Houston coming up and but it's been impressive to see the lock down defense of late. If the offense does come around not many teams can beat them

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

@BeddieKU23 We do have a neutral court win over Duke so we know this team can beat other elite schools on a neutral floor.

Sometimes those early season games are not the best indicator but you always hope they are a sort of predictor of how the team would handle neutral court games in the tournament

@BeddieKU23 i will take the growth curve of Bills team over Scheyers team all day, provided the talent is there.

@approxinfinity

And currently Duke is the only ranked team in the ACC.

@BShark said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

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This team is good. Just doesn't look like how some people would want it to. Then again some people are never happy.

??? I thought our offense was ranked way down low?

@BeddieKU23 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in WKRP in Cincinnatti:

@BeddieKU23 We do have a neutral court win over Duke so we know this team can beat other elite schools on a neutral floor.

Sometimes those early season games are not the best indicator but you always hope they are a sort of predictor of how the team would handle neutral court games in the tournament

KU had plenty of adversity in that game and still came away with the win against a legit title contenders. Had KU had a healthy Shak Moore at that point, I don't think that game would've come down to the buzzer. I think KU would've had a more comfortable 8-10 point win.

Bill Self is a victim of his consistency and greatness. I was looking at a list of Naismith coach of the year. He's won it once. The guy named after the breakfast drink at KState won it. Calipari has frickin won it 3 times. Roy only won it once with us, none with UNC. Freaking Mark Few has 2 awards. Yes, but Bill Self has 1, but he does have two trophies. 15 coaches on the list since 86 have zero trophies which really should be a major factor in the award.

@wissox Those awards are typically voted on after the conclusion of the regular season and before the NCAA Tournament starts.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I understand but I still can't believe that someone who has a huge number of #1 seeds, meaning great regular seasons couldn't have garnered more than one which he won in 2012. Interestingly Larry Brown won his in 87-88, which sounds like the vote must have been post season. I'm a bit miffed that Roy didn't get more than one and it wasn't in a winning season either. I think he won 2 or 3 rings with UNC but only got his award in our great 96-97 season.

I'm sure neither guy is losing sleep over it. Proud of our great coaches we've had.

@wissox There's also multiple organizations that give national coach of the year awards as well and Self has also been the AP coach of the year twice in 2009 and 2016 and won the Sporting News national coach of the year in 2000 at Tulsa.

From the major organizations, Self is actually 4 time NCOY since the Naismith one you're referencing was in 2012.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Thanks, the list I was looking at was Naismith only.

@wissox COTY trophies in most sports tend to be an award for which coach most exceeded their season's expectations. The actual COTY is always going to be the Naismith trophy

@Zabudda

It seems like, to me, the ACC has taken the biggest hit from a growing SEC.

To the experts

Is Auburn best team in the country so far

@AsadZ Quite possibly they have been BUT they won't be as they will be beat this week without Broom. If ISU wins this week which is quite possible against Ku & WV - -they will be the # 1 team next week. that would be the first time ISU has been top ranked since I think they said 1944 & ISU' only loss this year is to Auburn in a one possession ballgame hard to debate that.

Heard some interesting comments from John Fanta when he was a guest on the Hum , which is a KU Podcast today , had to agree mostly he said when asked-- -he said at this point he sees KU like making an elite 6 - -yet KU for sure could be a final four , he Co host from time to time with Jeff Goodman and a couple of others from the field of 68 pretty decent pod casat:

Why he thought A J Storr had been struggling so far this Season ? -his answer was well one he thinks Storr is just thinking to much instead of just going out and doing what KU brought him in to do. That shoot the ball and score , he said think about it, Storr has been in his last two schools been in losing programs-- no pressure. Now he comes into a true blue blood and there is pressure and just over thinking instead of just doing what he does -he says he knows this AJ Storr is to good of a ball player to be the 9th player coming off KU'S bench.

He was asked what he thought the outcome of the ISU/KU game and he said he just think right now ISU is just to good playing at home said he thinks will be a good ball game sees it ISU like 65/59 somewhere around a six point game

Keys for a KU win: - -Find open perimeter shots & match ISU defensive intensity for 40 minutes , says KU can't have any 5 minute droughts -

@drgnslayr

And large part because of the money difference the two conferences get that is shared to schools. The investment from SEC schools in basketball has increased dramatically

@AsadZ

Hmm if Iowa St hadn't blown a big lead against them in their matchup we'd be calling them the best team so far. A combo of those two teams have visually looked tops and probably a gap after that. Auburn's defense isn't as good as several but they certainly can score with the best of them.

Gilbert of Iowa St is a sneaky top player that gets no recognition. I think he's a baller. Just a solid team overall