Sore foot they say. Wearing a boot they say.
So why risk play if the pre-caution is to prevent it from becoming a stress fracture.
Make Bragg and Udoka play a majority of the post minutes and see what the young guys can do. They need the experience.
I know, I used logic here
@BeddieKU23 LL merely nicked up. No real problem.
Don't like foot/lower leg problems with big guys. The amount of stress/ pressure on the lower leg and foot makes those injuries much more difficult to deal with for bigger players.
I am very wary of Lucas trying to play if they put him in a boot as a precaution. This early in the season, better to let that heal completely than try to have him play with anything nagging and potentially make it an on again, off again type of recurring problem.
I don't think he should play and risk it becoming worse. The season is a marathon, and we need him for March.
exactly, Lucas had a similar injury last year where he had to sit games to rest. this early he should not be playing if there is any risk of further injury
I don't want to be a conspiracy nut... but I wonder if Landen has been having issues for a while. He hasn't really performed like we expected and this may be part of the reason for all the talk about a 4-guard offense.
Trust the Process !
It's already a stress fracture, or probably worse; otherwise he would have had double digit rebounds against the Division II teams . The MO with self on this sort of injury is play through it all costs, because it is likely to get worse and worse, so use playing on the injury to squeeze any W early or late that you require such a player, then rest him against the lesser teams. Without several months of staying off it, it won't heal. So: he plays till he cant play against IU and Duke to shorten games for his greenwood bigs. This also implies Bragg is likely injured, too. Self could be playing 5-0, not 4-1 shortly. Josh Jackson could be destined to be the high post man on this team for 20 mpg. It worked for UCLA in 1963. It worked for MU under Haith the last season we played them.
I believe this is where the information comes from, i.e. the other forum:
HONOLULU — Kansas coach Bill Self said Wednesday, before the Jayhawks fulfilled their military duties at Pearl Harbor, that senior forward Landen Lucas was wearing a walking boot on his right foot as a preventative measure and that Lucas was not in jeopardy of missing Friday’s season opener against No. 11 Indiana.
Self said Lucas was a full participant during the Jayhawks’ 90-minute practice session Wednesday morning and that there was no evidence of a stress fracture at this time.
The Kansas Jayhawks toured Pearl Harbor and participated in a kid's clinic at the naval base.
“It’s nothing but a sore foot,” said Self, noting that there was no stress fracture. “They just don’t want it to become one.”
A reasonable person would think that if there was any concern he would have sat the practice, don't you think? So, it looks like there is really nothing serious at this time, speculations to the contrary notwithstanding.
@jaybate-1.0 not so sure Bragg has an injury also. No evidence of that so far
@JayHawkFanToo thanks for the article. Yes, if there was a chance of a more serious injury, I hope they would have the sense to sit Lucas and not "play through it". The end of the season is way more important than a couple November games. But since he was a full participant, he is probably in decent shape and will play tomorrow.
I agree with all you guys on resting Landen.
My concern is that this issue will not be going away for Landen... ever.
How do we get the most out of Landen without risking a stress fracture?
I'm not sure about this... but he must be playing with some pain. If there isn't a stress fracture, what is causing the pain? What happened that triggered wearing the boot?
Gosh... Landen is on his 5th year of working his butt off to get into this position. Tough break.
I believe he should be pulled out of all extra floor time this year. Anytime we have a blow away win.... pull him.
This needs to stay important all year. We need ALL our guys for a March run! And we need solid backup to Landen. So Udoka has to get lots of PT all year to be as ready as possible.
I was amazed in our last game. It seems like Udoka dropped another 10 lbs in just one week!
It's probably why he didn't play much in the 2nd exhibition game. I believe he only played 15 minutes.
If he plays and makes the injury worse, this is on Self for not doing the right thing. Landen is too important to worry about 2 games. We have to believe everyone could step up in his absence.
Maybe I'm assuming too much but anytime a kid is walking around in a boot its more then just a pre-caution and Self downplaying the injury is what coaches do
When you see a big man in a boot, most likely we are talking about a situation that is not temporary. Perhaps he can go without the boot later on, etc., but the mechanics of his leg/foot situation remain the same indefinitely.
Problem is... Landen, like every KU player, wants a career playing ball in another year. If he keeps the boot, or even if he doesn't but has his minutes limited... it is probable that his injury or injury prevention ends up on the warning sign of every pro scout.
Most likely, Landen's career will be happening abroad, but how well he does here trying to make the NBA will impact his value abroad.
it appears there are 3 member of the team wearing walking boots; maybe they got a good deal on them and they are just trying them out. LOL.
Et al,
No one seriously believes what Self says about injuries anymore, do they? All talk is strategic. Especially before two must keep the score close games for RPI end of season Carney, er, tourney engineering, er, seeding kinds of opponents?
No one wears a boot to prevent a stress fracture unless they have symptoms and history suggesting reason for concern. Period.
So: at the very least Big Luke is symptomatic.
Next, there is that weird category called stress reaction (?) that is between well and stress Fx that they boot up for; that appears what this likely is. But Self apparently wants to call it a sore foot to make them prepare for Luke. Good for Bill!!
Next, Self appears to tend to make opponents prepare for rotation players, even if he intends to use them sparingly, or not at all.
Inference: Luke is injured. He's going to play injured. It will likely get worse.
Self will likely play him to shorten the game against a top opponent, especially since Bragg is in a "funk" (injury?), Doke fouls, Coleby's knee still looks like Pinhead in Hellraiser, and Lightfoot is a sapling..
No mystery here. No conspiracy theory either!
Don't EVER feel self doubt about being a conspiracy theorist.
The reputed FOIA release of CIA document 1035-960 put all that nonsense to rest. The CIA REPUTEDLY WEAPONIZED AND SEWED THE SPREAD OF THE TERM "CONSPIRACY THEORY" for Intel assets in government and media, as the term of art for discrediting reaonable inferences about actual activities.
It's okay to think again. 😄
@jaybate-1.0 I'm not a conspiracy theorist - I am a conspiracy realist.
@BeddieKU23 said:
It's probably why he didn't play much in the 2nd exhibition game. I believe he only played 15 minutes.
If he plays and makes the injury worse, this is on Self for not doing the right thing. Landen is too important to worry about 2 games. We have to believe everyone could step up in his absence.
Maybe I'm assuming too much but anytime a kid is walking around in a boot its more then just a pre-caution and Self downplaying the injury is what coaches do
Agree. These games are not that important.
I still don't understand why you would have Lucas play in spite of the injury. Give him some time off to get better, like a month, so he can be fine by March. Our chances of going to the final four take a serious blow without him. Maybe its just me thinking this way.
@HawkChamp said:
I still don't understand why you would have Lucas play in spite of the injury. Give him some time off to get better, like a month, so he can be fine by March. Our chances of going to the final four take a serious blow without him. Maybe its just me thinking this way.
Definitely not just you. This team needs Lucas, he is an important piece of the puzzle.
They aren't as important as March which is why I think you side with caution and don't stress his leg further right now. Imagine how valuable the minutes Udoka & Bragg would have without him as far as those 2 becoming key guys further on in the season. With how Self likes to play his players he trusts in big games, it would seem Lucas will get big minutes which scares me.
I think we can all agree we'd rather have a healthy Lucas with no lingering issues to be concerned about then a hobbled man throughout this season. Injuries are the biggest concern to this teams potential
We are making a lot of assumptions without having actual facts. Shouldn't we trust that Coach Self and the training staff know what they are doing? After all, he has a much larger vested interest in the health of the team than we do, right?
Sure but isn't it at the least a little bit concerning that Lucas is walking around in a boot and Mason was nursing a sore thumb before our first game. And we only have 10 eligible players. I just hope whatever pre-caution this is, doesn't become anything more then that
@BeddieKU23 I agree we will need them come march, we have all seen these foot injuries be a pain in the ass from Sherron, Reed and selby.
There are 3 members of the team wearing walking boots. It could well be something new they are trying even for very simple and temporary injuries...I don't know, just surprised to see 3 of them wearing the walking boot.
@JayHawkFanToo which three? I haven't seen anyone wearing them in the pictures other than Landon
Look at the Indiana thread, @Crimsonorblue22 spotted two and I found a third one,
Self said Lucas (sore foot) will be able to play on Friday and start. And he said Bragg would start. Bragg didn't start 2nd exhibition
@BeddieKU23 sure hope Landon is ok and Bill is not forcing him to play....
I would think that the team doctor and trainers make the decision...and Coach Self just goes along with it. I seriously doubt Coach Self would override the team doctor and/or trainers if they determine he should not play. After the Embiid fiasco, I would think they are ubber cautious.
He's most likely going to be in the lineup on Friday
"We are making a lot of assumptions without having actual facts."
Thanks for the reality check.
I think I'm guilty of having conspiracy withdrawals since the election is over.
@jaybate-1.0 Kind of torn here in the Bill Self downsplaining. Boot to me means probable injury. However, I recognize the need to do some stuff (ice, wraps, wear shoes all the time) once in a while to prevent aggravating my own heels, knees, shins, etc., so I'm going to go with "preventative," until Lucas doesn't play at all for a game.
I suppose that is the sort of distinction that drove the author of reputed CIA DOCUMENT 1035-960 to select "conspiracy theorist."
Imagine an Intel plant working as a network talking head scoffing and saying persons that doubt Oswald did it are "conspiracy realists!" 😄
It's more respectful than smearing.
In my case I am a "conspiracy factualist," when the conspiracy is proven and I try to be a "conspiracy neutral," who looks for all non conspiratorial explanations and leaves the heavy lifting of conspiracy to those with authority and/or budgets required to run down conspiracies. I do feel that exhausting all non conspiracy explanations can imply some possibility of conspiracy.
Regardless, it's good to return conspiracy and.conspiracy theory to ranks of respectable discourse. Thank you FOIA!
Just a guess, but these stress fx and reactions often seem to go on for 6 months or more. The temptation would be to play him now against Duke and IU to get a Split, then let the rest start, since it could take 6 months regardless.
@justanotherfan So true. My "just nicked up" declaration was posted with tongue in cheek.
@jaybate-1.0 PHOF!!!!! That is a great read to start the morning...TY...